A few observations to share: 1) Unpacking and assembly took about 20 minutes 2) Alarm and motion sensor went off because the bike was previously paired to the owner's phone and the owner was not close to the bike when it was moved. 3)The bike was imported from Europe where the ebike speed limit is 16mph. We tested this and motor goes to 20mph without dealer programming. The bike uses geolocation to set the bike's speed limit according to where it is and the local ebike regulations. 4) The motor assist goes to 20.2 mph (without slowdowns starting at 18mph). And then there is no assist past 20.2 mph
The headlight made me laugh. My YT decoy came with lights and a bell as well, looks like it may be a requirement in Germany or somewhere else in EU, The bell definitely made it to my bike, my kids love it...
Love your enthusiasm Francis, "oh oh!" when you find out something new :) Boost animation is cool although idk why anyone would ever need that much power...
Rrrrrrright? I'm almost a TH-camr now! That much power is a responsibility since there are no extender batteries or hot-swappable. But, it will be interesting to see if it opens up new options. With that much power on tap, we'll explore how it does with efficiency and longevity at 70-80% watts usage. Usually, motors are more efficient and quiet at that level. An then we'll explore it at a max of 60nm to see how it can do as a lightweight bike option, with a 600wh battery.
Super interesting. I’m a big DJI fan as of late - they’re drones, of course, cameras, mics and even their power systems. The bike does look like it’s along the quality lines of YT/Canyon though, but $7k is not bad for this.
The motor looks head and shoulders above what's available today. The bike itself is the great unknown and it seems to be a lightweight build using established suspension and geometry standards. It passes the sniff test for sure. We'll know more later this week.
I cancelled my preorder. A bit hesitant after reading some posts on their facebook owners page. Hoping they get some of them sorted out before I commit to purchasing one.
@ It has been a few years since I’ve rode SC, Aptos after my move to Colorado. It was my go to spot rode with all the crew from bobcat cycles in Salinas for many years. That ocean breeze keeps it quite cool . Be looking for that review on that new rig happy trails.
This bike is the very definition of a social media bike. It doesn’t exist, nobody you know rides one, you can’t even buy it but the influencers keep telling you it’s worth eating cup noodles for the next year to save up for one.
It's only released in Europe at the moment and owners are not receiving their orders. In the US though, it is the Wild, Wild West since no dealers or support right now. A great resource is here: facebook.com/groups/1208484430028336
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Don't know when California authorized dealers will be established. I suspect it will be a while since demand is outpacing supply in Europe, where they are establishing roots.
For a bike that looks light, it definitely ain't. Was hoping it would be around 38lbs. However for the power output and battery life, that's pretty good. For anyone curious, enduro shocks as big as the Fox X2 will not fit on this frame due to clearance issues.
800wh, the "non-pro" version only comes with the bigger battery size, the "pro-version" comes with 600 or 800wh, sounds a bit weird, but the aim was to make the pro-version as light as possible, so you can get the smaller battery as an option, if you prefer a lighter bike instead of more range
@@EMTBReview It doesn't look like the burliest of eMTB but at 46.5 lb with full power+ and 800wh is seriously impressive. I think the best examples of Bosch -powered eMTB at that travel range, such as the Pivot Shuttle AM, are 50 lb with less capacity. If the DJI system is reliable it's going to eat some serious lunch.
I’d like to see the battery if you wouldn’t mind pulling that out on your next review. Metal case? Solid tube? Made by Trend Power(usually can tell by a closeup of the charger if no badging)? Also, power ratings are sooo random and not necessarily based on thermal rise. Nominal seems to be a manufacturer choice and peak power (probably that which DJI claims, may nat even be programmed in but could lend to enabling an artificially constructed flatter power curve) which will make you feel like Superman! We do need engineers equipped with dyno’s to test this stuff to see what is really going on but looking forward to your impressions Francis.
Right on, will check all that. This is a 250watt nominal power rating motor so it falls in the 250w Class 1 rating. How they measure that nominal power is a black art.
Was wanting to buy this. Please educate us on e-bike Class 1 power limits. Where I ride, some trails are in managed parks. Some park managers ride eMTBs and actively enforce Class 1. I wouldn’t want to spend this much on a bike I can’t ride on some fav trails. Bought a Bosch Gen 5 powered bike.
Absolutely doing the hillclimb test with rider input normalized with a power meter. It will be great to compare it with our data on all the other motor systems.
This bike is pure hype!!! It does nothing better than anyone else out there. The Rocky has just as much power and the Levo has better range and is just a far better bike.
Perhaps, perhaps not. I am here to find out. I can tell you that the Rocky Mountain does not have 1050 watts of output. And it looks twice as BIG as this motor. I'm a Levo fan for sure but it doesn't have better range than this 800wh bike. Something to understand is when a motor produces this much power, range is shortened because the rider cannot help as much if the climb is done so quickly. So one thing I'll do is compare the range at similar levels of motor output, which is about 85 nm for the Levo and other systems like Bosch. And most important, the rider has to pedal with the exact same power.
Ah yes, @colinsmith1092, I believe that is an aftermarket battery manufacturer called Trendpower that Santa Cruz had to use to offer more capacity. The Shimano OEM offering is undergunned in today's market
Very curious to see what Specialized, Shimano, and Bosch do, as I believe they have tried to keep a balance between motor power vs. human power vs. drivetrain durability. I don't believe getting more peak wattage and associated torque is that difficult, but I think the real issue is how a Bosch, that has perhaps 5 different engines with unique parts/motor mounts competes with DJI who might forego that strategy and just offer different tunes on their ebikes ala Tesla and then let people just upgrade via $firmware. I don't think the big 3/4 bike manufacturers want modularity or ease of upgrade with motors, which DJI could take advantage of.
Shots fired by DJI for sure since this motor is from the future. The other motor manufacturers have to react to stay competitive. A large amount of premium bike manufacturers are creating their DJI compatible frames now, for sure.
After careful consideration and riding a bunch of different unrestricted bikes as well as over-powered ones I have come to the conclusion - I really don't need one. Down here even with the frustration of the 32kph (20mph) speed limit I can see the reasoning for them as many of the riders I come across should be on a 10mph limited bike. My gripe with the limit is that on some trails I used to average faster than that on my singlespeed and sitting on the limiter is annoying. The bikes I rode included some of the mega power Bafang powered bikes which really did nothing well. Perhaps in a well thought out frame - maybe a Levo one for instance they may be acceptible but still completely unnecessary. I can climb most trails with my G4 Bosch in Tour, just needing eMTB for pinch climbs or weaving between rocks on a climb. I see a root on a climb and back to Tour unless I am seriously attacking the climb and momentum prevails. *edit* I also am not a DJI fan after neither of my 22 or 23 purchased phones would allow the software to work when I wanted to try the Neo drone. Oh, however Francis, a great fiirst look at the bike.
Thank you sir. I think you said the key thing... "after careful consideration" This is a subject that requires unbiased analysis, and then really trying out what living with an emtb is like. 90% of my riding buddies hated the idea of the emtb.... until they rode one, or until their riding buddies got one. It's just different from what one prejudges. The other consideration is local terrain and riding style. If one has 1000-3000 foot steep climbs all day, every day, they make sense. Flattish, crowded trails, not so much.
@@EMTBReview While I have been known to shoot from the hip - pre production testing MX bikes as well as pipes, tires and other parts taught me to at least try to put aside personal favorites. That is why I like your channel Francis - you give reasoning to your comments and opinions .... not just This is the best/worst or whatever.
is this officially made in china or taiwan? i know DJI is a chinese company but where is the bike made? i'm curious since once trump tariff kicks in, this thing will be over $8k if made in china.
Update on DJI: As of December 2024, DJI had changed lawyers in its lawsuit of the US Government and dropped its lawsuit against the Pentagon. The 2025 NDAA passed by the U.S. Senate did not include provisions for a DJI ban. Seems DJI may have a little wiggle room with importing its products made in China. Time will tell
@@EMTBReviewyep, you’ll notice that being based in ShenZhen, they are officially known as ShenZhen DJI, as they’re in a government subsidized manufacturing city and must take on the cities name.
it would be nice if you could focus as well on the ability to use it as lowpower bike. set the power like a levo sl and compare it in range... full power stuff is pleinty of it on yt already and somewhat of boring, we know already that it is the strongest :)
I was just thinking about that last night! Set the max torque output to 60nm and do my climb tests. With the 600 battery, this can be a 42lb bike with lightweight bike possibilities and a big upside.
@@EMTBReview i think that is what a lot of sportive poeple are searching. a capable, not to heavy bike for long rides... This probably can deliver 2-in-1. there is a guy who did somewhat alreday as a test, but just with fullpower: th-cam.com/video/Ij0g4s8v1Ow/w-d-xo.htmlsi=brQwXgnDI2tnyqY9&t=472 i think from a 40-60nm sessing close to a levo SL we will be even more surprised about this Dji miracle.. ..
Impressive... But with 850 watts and boost up around 1000 watts, this isn’t Class 1 so... am I missing something fc? Are we just stoked on some new tech that exists, or is this a bike Californians will be able to rock on all trails allowing Class 1? I know you’ve delved into this... What’s the status of this new tech??!! FTR, the bike seems rad. Love the touch screen... buttons and charging port look legit. Full R&D has been done on the frame, aka, ripoff and duplicate, LoL! But they’re not the only ones doing that...
The Class 1 ebike law is an enigma with a loophole. Levos are 550 watts peak and Bosch CX motors are 600 watts peak. Both are Class 1 legal even though the upper limit is 250 watts nominal. The reason is '250 watts nominal' is defined as the sustainable wattage output without raising the motor temperature. I believe it's 1 or 2 degrees. Thus, all these ebike motors claim their output is '250 watts nominal', including the DJI motor.
@@EMTBReview Oh the loops! All the big players are keeping nominal output at 250, which seems to be one of the hard stops on Class 1, however there is a peak wattage of 750 that all the big players are keeping below so as not to be black listed from Class 1. I couldn’t find any resources on the Amflow site talking about any requirements. Just the FAQ stuff about peak being 800/1000 for Turbo and Boost. Funny how my Oso with the Bosch CX doesn’t feel as powerful as the Levo even though peak wattage is higher. It’s all about the torque I believe, and damn if this new rig doesn’t put out some torque!
They entered the market at a bad time. Incredible deals on ebikes from well known companies. This bike is too expensive . Review should have been done by someone that have knowledge of ebikes.
Their timing is fine because this motor unlike any other that exists today. It has a true competitive advantage and that's why it's sold out now with a significant waiting list in most countries. Not available in the US yet. The bike expensive at $7k but it beats most $10-$13k bike available in the market today. As far as knowledge about ebikes. I've been a mountain bike reviewer for 30 years and have been reviewing ebikes for 5 years now. It does seem like this category is very foreign to you.
@EMTBReview I own a gasgas, Yamaha ydx-moro and a turbo levo. Not much mentioned as to spec's or tech on the bike. Most expensive bike I purchased was 7k. Now you can get them in 4-5 k range and on sale in the 2-3 range
Almost seems too good to be true.................. I'm curious but also VERY hesitant due to where this is sourced from. Would always be worried about service or even intentional bricking when China/USA go to war.......... which is likely. .
This motor will change the game for sure and it looks good so far. I'm not too worried about the country of origin since DJI dominates so many of the tech products we buy now. And over 50% of what we buy from Amazon are all from China. The real war is commerce and they are growing at an exponential rate. The risk with this bike is tarrifs and it could be $15k by next year.
@@EMTBReview the fact that you can go back and forth as a mullet makes it illegal. All you have to do to exceed the 20mph speed limit is set the bike for mullet with the 29er on the back.
Wouldn't be one bit surprised if Gaint makes their frames. As for high-end FS ebikes, i dont see any value or necessity for them. If you get to the point where you need pedal assist on hard technical trails. Your either too out of shape, and cardio and strength training is needed so you dont hurt yourself badly. Or 2you'rer at an age where you shouldn't be riding crazy trails where your health is concerned. Ebikes are perfect for hardtails and cruzers where a person can get in shape, or when one is older, they can still enjoy a trail ride without taking crazy stupid risks on single and double blacks. I see the gates and pinion drive train system taking over in the long run as it provides a crazy easy grannie gear, and it's a very robust system. Compared to an overly complicated expensive electronic device. Also, you will eventually see many municipalities across the globe outlaw them or require you to get a licence and insurance for one as more and more youth will buy one and do stupid reckless shit on them. They will be classified as a motoerbike. At that point with the same requirements, you're better off just getting a motorbike as they hold better value.
>> Wouldn't be one bit surprised if Gaint Giant making their bikes... not a chance. Chinese carbon manufacturing is very advanced now and they don't need to let a third party control their supply and intellectual property. >>As for high-end FS ebikes, i dont see any value or necessity for them. You seem to have near-zero understanding of the emtb market and what's offered and selling today. They are mostly full suspension. They allow much better comfort and safety and the terrain that opens up allows folks to enjoy the sport more often, and in less time. >>Ebikes are perfect for hardtails and cruzers... Those are great for commuting and bike paths. But for actual mountain biking, 90% of sales are in FS. More people riding, progressing and riding more often. >>Also, you will eventually see many municipalities across the globe outlaw Again, like spoken from another dimension. Europe has wholly legalized them as long as they are Class 1 ebikes. In the US, local trails are legalizing ebikes every week. State Forest and National Parks are legalizing them wherever bicycles are allowed with very few obstacles. The key is they have to be Class 1 ebikes for trails. For roads, Class 2 and Class 3 ebikes are the categories since they can achieve higher speeds.
@EMTBReview we will see. I don't blame you for being a bit triggered. It's your job to promote them. What I didn't mention is the constant blown motors, stretched or ripped chains, distroyed cassette, and chain rings, not to meantion battery issues. Enjoy your money pit. I will stick to acoustic bikes. I also stand fast by my opinion that ebikes will eventually die out once consumers realize how bad of a money put it is and, the government, especially California, will start regulating them as a motorized mode of transport. I am also doubling down that gates and pinion will be the future of the sport. More reliable and makes the back lighter and shifting all the weight to bottom center of the bike which is greatly beneficial.
@@EMTBReview Wow FC, I'm surprised you wasted so much of your time on this commenter who is talking out of his backside. But it is entertaining watching a nice guy like you destroy his blather...
Motor is made in China and frame in China as well. Kind of risky but DJI drones and products are all made in China and they are the best in their categories. So i suspect it will be a new normal.
@@EMTBReview My concern is not on technical or quality. I dropped my China made iPhone so many, many times and it still works. My only fear is how the tariff will affect the price. Will we have to pay $14k for a $7k bike? Maybe spend the $7k on a vacation to UK and ship one back?
A few observations to share:
1) Unpacking and assembly took about 20 minutes
2) Alarm and motion sensor went off because the bike was previously paired to the owner's phone and the owner was not close to the bike when it was moved.
3)The bike was imported from Europe where the ebike speed limit is 16mph. We tested this and motor goes to 20mph without dealer programming. The bike uses geolocation to set the bike's speed limit according to where it is and the local ebike regulations.
4) The motor assist goes to 20.2 mph (without slowdowns starting at 18mph). And then there is no assist past 20.2 mph
Wow, geolocation for limit is pretty smart.
Enjoying your videos🚴
So kind!
I love the interface. Every e-bike should do this.
Yeah, it is the next level
So jelly! Can’t wait to see the detailed review and ride impressions👍
Kind of a miracle I have access to this so early. Can't break it though since there is no local service/support.
yes, please refrain from hitting the 50 foot gap jump for another day😊
Cant wait for a full review on this bike.
Riding it this coming weekend.
The headlight made me laugh. My YT decoy came with lights and a bell as well, looks like it may be a requirement in Germany or somewhere else in EU, The bell definitely made it to my bike, my kids love it...
Rrrrright? Surprised me a bit. This is a European package freighted to the US so that might be the reason as well.
Love your enthusiasm Francis, "oh oh!" when you find out something new :) Boost animation is cool although idk why anyone would ever need that much power...
Rrrrrrright? I'm almost a TH-camr now!
That much power is a responsibility since there are no extender batteries or hot-swappable. But, it will be interesting to see if it opens up new options.
With that much power on tap, we'll explore how it does with efficiency and longevity at 70-80% watts usage. Usually, motors are more efficient and quiet at that level.
An then we'll explore it at a max of 60nm to see how it can do as a lightweight bike option, with a 600wh battery.
Super interesting. I’m a big DJI fan as of late - they’re drones, of course, cameras, mics and even their power systems. The bike does look like it’s along the quality lines of YT/Canyon though, but $7k is not bad for this.
The motor looks head and shoulders above what's available today. The bike itself is the great unknown and it seems to be a lightweight build using established suspension and geometry standards. It passes the sniff test for sure. We'll know more later this week.
Stick with specialized after care is great 👏🏼😉
Big infrastructure is great. Very dealer dependent and we have a good one locally.
I cancelled my preorder. A bit hesitant after reading some posts on their facebook owners page. Hoping they get some of them sorted out before I commit to purchasing one.
Are you in the US? Where did you preorder from? What was their expected delivery date?
@@EMTBReview A shop in california was taking pre-orders last month. Expected delivery would have been end of January or beginning of February.
Damn, you’re geared up like it’s snowing outside in Santa Cruz
It almost hit the 50's man! You should have seen my cameraman. Dressed for Everest.
@ It has been a few years since I’ve rode SC, Aptos after my move to Colorado. It was my go to spot rode with all the crew from bobcat cycles in Salinas for many years. That ocean breeze keeps it quite cool . Be looking for that review on that new rig happy trails.
This bike is the very definition of a social media bike. It doesn’t exist, nobody you know rides one, you can’t even buy it but the influencers keep telling you it’s worth eating cup noodles for the next year to save up for one.
It's only released in Europe at the moment and owners are not receiving their orders. In the US though, it is the Wild, Wild West since no dealers or support right now.
A great resource is here: facebook.com/groups/1208484430028336
I've got one and it's next level.
Are you drunk? Just because it's not available in the states doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Plenty people riding in uk Europe and Australia.
@@ryancawley3235 Does he sound Australian to you? Read the title again.
The two guys riding theirs at Mt Stromlo in Canberra Australia the other day looked pretty happy with them. They appeared real to me.
When did you say the new Levo is coming?
You didn't hear it from mye but a lil birdie told me it should be coming this year. :)
@EMTBReview I heard by February? I'm ready to buy a Levo SL or Kenevo SL2 but would like to see the new Levo first
Nice. Power pedals next! Is that Nm real?💪
Who’s that bike stand made by you had it sat in for the first crank?
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@ thank you so much
Come ride Del Valle tomorrow at 4. I would love to see it.
Santa Cruz is calling. Every day. :)
Now more than ever I'd love to come across you at campus 👀.
My second home!
Thank you, FC. Any ideas when it will be available in the U.S., specifically, California? Also, is that a Feedback HD stand?
Don't know when California authorized dealers will be established. I suspect it will be a while since demand is outpacing supply in Europe, where they are establishing roots.
For a bike that looks light, it definitely ain't. Was hoping it would be around 38lbs. However for the power output and battery life, that's pretty good. For anyone curious, enduro shocks as big as the Fox X2 will not fit on this frame due to clearance issues.
For the power, range, and price, there really is nothing like it in the market
Ah they are sold out already? I dont see it on the website.
It's not available for sale in the USA yet.
What is the battery capacity on this?
800wh, the "non-pro" version only comes with the bigger battery size, the "pro-version" comes with 600 or 800wh, sounds a bit weird, but the aim was to make the pro-version as light as possible, so you can get the smaller battery as an option, if you prefer a lighter bike instead of more range
This one is the 800wh version
@@EMTBReview It doesn't look like the burliest of eMTB but at 46.5 lb with full power+ and 800wh is seriously impressive. I think the best examples of Bosch -powered eMTB at that travel range, such as the Pivot Shuttle AM, are 50 lb with less capacity. If the DJI system is reliable it's going to eat some serious lunch.
cool bike!
This will change the e-bike market!
Where can i get that bike stand?
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Where did your order that bike?
Ebike Premier. Link in description
I’d like to see the battery if you wouldn’t mind pulling that out on your next review. Metal case? Solid tube? Made by Trend Power(usually can tell by a closeup of the charger if no badging)? Also, power ratings are sooo random and not necessarily based on thermal rise. Nominal seems to be a manufacturer choice and peak power (probably that which DJI claims, may nat even be programmed in but could lend to enabling an artificially constructed flatter power curve) which will make you feel like Superman! We do need engineers equipped with dyno’s to test this stuff to see what is really going on but looking forward to your impressions Francis.
Right on, will check all that. This is a 250watt nominal power rating motor so it falls in the 250w Class 1 rating. How they measure that nominal power is a black art.
Was wanting to buy this. Please educate us on e-bike Class 1 power limits. Where I ride, some trails are in managed parks. Some park managers ride eMTBs and actively enforce Class 1. I wouldn’t want to spend this much on a bike I can’t ride on some fav trails. Bought a Bosch Gen 5 powered bike.
will do
You should try 3 diferent motor softwares review like comparing shimano etube app vs amflow app & bosch to see how good they are as well.
That is a great idea. Shimano Etube might look like an abacus compared to this but it will be useful to consumers making a decision.
hope you do that hill climb and see how it compares to the fazua, tq, ep8, brose, etc....
Absolutely doing the hillclimb test with rider input normalized with a power meter. It will be great to compare it with our data on all the other motor systems.
@@EMTBReview WAG New KOM 3:57
Bro, please make your "branded" uphill test with 200W input with first attempt using only Turbo mode and the second one using Boost.
Most definitely. I'll spend half a day repeating many tests under different power levels too.
@@EMTBReview Great! Can't wait to see it.
This bike is pure hype!!! It does nothing better than anyone else out there. The Rocky has just as much power and the Levo has better range and is just a far better bike.
Perhaps, perhaps not. I am here to find out.
I can tell you that the Rocky Mountain does not have 1050 watts of output. And it looks twice as BIG as this motor.
I'm a Levo fan for sure but it doesn't have better range than this 800wh bike. Something to understand is when a motor produces this much power, range is shortened because the rider cannot help as much if the climb is done so quickly.
So one thing I'll do is compare the range at similar levels of motor output, which is about 85 nm for the Levo and other systems like Bosch. And most important, the rider has to pedal with the exact same power.
My heckler with EP8 has a 720wh battery, your chart is showing a 630
Ah yes, @colinsmith1092, I believe that is an aftermarket battery manufacturer called Trendpower that Santa Cruz had to use to offer more capacity. The Shimano OEM offering is undergunned in today's market
@ I agree. Mine has lots of power and range,
how tall are you?
5'7" and 30 inseam
@ yikes! I guess, I’ll have to wait for the size small frame to come out. 😅 send it! 🚀
Very curious to see what Specialized, Shimano, and Bosch do, as I believe they have tried to keep a balance between motor power vs. human power vs. drivetrain durability. I don't believe getting more peak wattage and associated torque is that difficult, but I think the real issue is how a Bosch, that has perhaps 5 different engines with unique parts/motor mounts competes with DJI who might forego that strategy and just offer different tunes on their ebikes ala Tesla and then let people just upgrade via $firmware. I don't think the big 3/4 bike manufacturers want modularity or ease of upgrade with motors, which DJI could take advantage of.
Shots fired by DJI for sure since this motor is from the future. The other motor manufacturers have to react to stay competitive. A large amount of premium bike manufacturers are creating their DJI compatible frames now, for sure.
So they sell these in the US now. I wish it had some more travel. Looks pretty sick
No authorized sales or service yet. This one was freighted into the country.
After careful consideration and riding a bunch of different unrestricted bikes as well as over-powered ones I have come to the conclusion - I really don't need one. Down here even with the frustration of the 32kph (20mph) speed limit I can see the reasoning for them as many of the riders I come across should be on a 10mph limited bike. My gripe with the limit is that on some trails I used to average faster than that on my singlespeed and sitting on the limiter is annoying. The bikes I rode included some of the mega power Bafang powered bikes which really did nothing well. Perhaps in a well thought out frame - maybe a Levo one for instance they may be acceptible but still completely unnecessary. I can climb most trails with my G4 Bosch in Tour, just needing eMTB for pinch climbs or weaving between rocks on a climb. I see a root on a climb and back to Tour unless I am seriously attacking the climb and momentum prevails.
*edit* I also am not a DJI fan after neither of my 22 or 23 purchased phones would allow the software to work when I wanted to try the Neo drone.
Oh, however Francis, a great fiirst look at the bike.
Thank you sir. I think you said the key thing... "after careful consideration"
This is a subject that requires unbiased analysis, and then really trying out what living with an emtb is like. 90% of my riding buddies hated the idea of the emtb.... until they rode one, or until their riding buddies got one. It's just different from what one prejudges.
The other consideration is local terrain and riding style. If one has 1000-3000 foot steep climbs all day, every day, they make sense. Flattish, crowded trails, not so much.
@@EMTBReview While I have been known to shoot from the hip - pre production testing MX bikes as well as pipes, tires and other parts taught me to at least try to put aside personal favorites.
That is why I like your channel Francis - you give reasoning to your comments and opinions .... not just This is the best/worst or whatever.
Could be a bad candy since there is no autorized dealers in USA at present time.
This was freighted in to the US by a bike shop. Definitely minimal support and service at the moment.
Other reviews are posted and can't wait to see if you have similar impressions or come to different conclusions.
Yes!!!!!! And since we bought the bike, there is more freedom to be honest about pros and cons.
Wow no reflector disc in the back wheel!!!
It has a very strange capacitor plate on the rotor though sending signals back to the mothership.
Does that mean no more specialized sightings anymore? Let the neighbor buy one first 😝
New Specialized coming?
Amflow is such an Ali Baba-sounding name.
Actually sounds Westernized like Amway, Amgen... Alibaba names are atrocious IMHO.
First thing I'd do is take a felt marker and cross the A in VMFLOW
Or just say IAMFLOW
💯
Thank you!
is this officially made in china or taiwan? i know DJI is a chinese company but where is the bike made? i'm curious since once trump tariff kicks in, this thing will be over $8k if made in china.
China through and through. DJI is a Shenjen Company and they make everything in China. Amflow is wholly owned by DJI
Update on DJI: As of December 2024, DJI had changed lawyers in its lawsuit of the US Government and dropped its lawsuit against the Pentagon.
The 2025 NDAA passed by the U.S. Senate did not include provisions for a DJI ban. Seems DJI may have a little wiggle room with importing its products made in China. Time will tell
It's ShenZhen btw 😊
@@EMTBReviewyep, you’ll notice that being based in ShenZhen, they are officially known as ShenZhen DJI, as they’re in a government subsidized manufacturing city and must take on the cities name.
What!!!!?!??? The disrupter is here.
Bought it too so need to sugarcoat. All those Euros are a lil too positive.
7k u can get YT core 5 with better specs and auto shift..
Can be purchase at amflowusa, dont know if is legit.
This one was imported from Europe. The speed shutoff automatically adjusts to 20mph instead of 16mph European law because it is real-time geolocated.
it would be nice if you could focus as well on the ability to use it as lowpower bike. set the power like a levo sl and compare it in range... full power stuff is pleinty of it on yt already and somewhat of boring, we know already that it is the strongest :)
I was just thinking about that last night! Set the max torque output to 60nm and do my climb tests. With the 600 battery, this can be a 42lb bike with lightweight bike possibilities and a big upside.
@@EMTBReview i think that is what a lot of sportive poeple are searching. a capable, not to heavy bike for long rides...
This probably can deliver 2-in-1. there is a guy who did somewhat alreday as a test, but just with fullpower: th-cam.com/video/Ij0g4s8v1Ow/w-d-xo.htmlsi=brQwXgnDI2tnyqY9&t=472
i think from a 40-60nm sessing close to a levo SL we will be even more surprised about this Dji miracle.. ..
46.5lb is 21kg for every other country in the world.
Oh yes, forgot about adding caption, metric translations. Thank you.
Impressive... But with 850 watts and boost up around 1000 watts, this isn’t Class 1 so... am I missing something fc? Are we just stoked on some new tech that exists, or is this a bike Californians will be able to rock on all trails allowing Class 1? I know you’ve delved into this... What’s the status of this new tech??!! FTR, the bike seems rad. Love the touch screen... buttons and charging port look legit. Full R&D has been done on the frame, aka, ripoff and duplicate, LoL! But they’re not the only ones doing that...
The Class 1 ebike law is an enigma with a loophole. Levos are 550 watts peak and Bosch CX motors are 600 watts peak. Both are Class 1 legal even though the upper limit is 250 watts nominal.
The reason is '250 watts nominal' is defined as the sustainable wattage output without raising the motor temperature. I believe it's 1 or 2 degrees.
Thus, all these ebike motors claim their output is '250 watts nominal', including the DJI motor.
@@EMTBReview Oh the loops! All the big players are keeping nominal output at 250, which seems to be one of the hard stops on Class 1, however there is a peak wattage of 750 that all the big players are keeping below so as not to be black listed from Class 1. I couldn’t find any resources on the Amflow site talking about any requirements. Just the FAQ stuff about peak being 800/1000 for Turbo and Boost.
Funny how my Oso with the Bosch CX doesn’t feel as powerful as the Levo even though peak wattage is higher. It’s all about the torque I believe, and damn if this new rig doesn’t put out some torque!
no rocking, just riding.
Looks a lot like an Occam SL
Or an Orbea Rise. Definitely a familiar suspension and geometry.
They entered the market at a bad time. Incredible deals on ebikes from well known companies. This bike is too expensive . Review should have been done by someone that have knowledge of ebikes.
Their timing is fine because this motor unlike any other that exists today. It has a true competitive advantage and that's why it's sold out now with a significant waiting list in most countries. Not available in the US yet.
The bike expensive at $7k but it beats most $10-$13k bike available in the market today.
As far as knowledge about ebikes. I've been a mountain bike reviewer for 30 years and have been reviewing ebikes for 5 years now. It does seem like this category is very foreign to you.
@EMTBReview I own a gasgas, Yamaha ydx-moro and a turbo levo. Not much mentioned as to spec's or tech on the bike. Most expensive bike I purchased was 7k. Now you can get them in 4-5 k range and on sale in the 2-3 range
I wonder how the new boys on the block will fare. The industry is becoming more fickle each day.
This bike will change the game and the established player are thrown another monkey wrench.
Almost seems too good to be true.................. I'm curious but also VERY hesitant due to where this is sourced from. Would always be worried about service or even intentional bricking when China/USA go to war.......... which is likely. .
This motor will change the game for sure and it looks good so far. I'm not too worried about the country of origin since DJI dominates so many of the tech products we buy now. And over 50% of what we buy from Amazon are all from China.
The real war is commerce and they are growing at an exponential rate. The risk with this bike is tarrifs and it could be $15k by next year.
Everyone and their dog are making easy bikes.
... that's pretty good.
Haters gonna hate.
Is the bike even legal in California with the new ebike laws?
Yes, legal. No throttle and Nominal Power rating is 250 watts
800 watts, the bikes illegal California.
It's 250 watts nominal power so it's legal. The Levo and Bosch bikes are about 600 watts but 250 watt nominal too.
@@EMTBReview the fact that you can go back and forth as a mullet makes it illegal. All you have to do to exceed the 20mph speed limit is set the bike for mullet with the 29er on the back.
I'm not interested in a bike I cannot get
You have a good point there. This bike will be next to impossible to get in the US in 2025
Motor sounds like a baby crying
😂 good one
Why tou cry about motor sound, it is an ebike just ride, you would be able to ride a motorcycle then.
You obviously don't have kids. :)
Just make sure your screen is water proof sealed . You know, just in case. 🤷♂
I'm not doin nuthin. Test as is.
$7,000 with that cheap suspension 🤦♂️
Cheap and good enough for the majority of riders 😂
That rear shock is plenty for most but upgrade ready for sure. 2025 Float X will be my recommendation. I think we're putting coil first.
@@EMTBReview coil would be awesome
Wouldn't be one bit surprised if Gaint makes their frames.
As for high-end FS ebikes, i dont see any value or necessity for them. If you get to the point where you need pedal assist on hard technical trails. Your either too out of shape, and cardio and strength training is needed so you dont hurt yourself badly. Or 2you'rer at an age where you shouldn't be riding crazy trails where your health is concerned.
Ebikes are perfect for hardtails and cruzers where a person can get in shape, or when one is older, they can still enjoy a trail ride without taking crazy stupid risks on single and double blacks.
I see the gates and pinion drive train system taking over in the long run as it provides a crazy easy grannie gear, and it's a very robust system. Compared to an overly complicated expensive electronic device.
Also, you will eventually see many municipalities across the globe outlaw them or require you to get a licence and insurance for one as more and more youth will buy one and do stupid reckless shit on them. They will be classified as a motoerbike. At that point with the same requirements, you're better off just getting a motorbike as they hold better value.
>> Wouldn't be one bit surprised if Gaint
Giant making their bikes... not a chance. Chinese carbon manufacturing is very advanced now and they don't need to let a third party control their supply and intellectual property.
>>As for high-end FS ebikes, i dont see any value or necessity for them.
You seem to have near-zero understanding of the emtb market and what's offered and selling today. They are mostly full suspension. They allow much better comfort and safety and the terrain that opens up allows folks to enjoy the sport more often, and in less time.
>>Ebikes are perfect for hardtails and cruzers...
Those are great for commuting and bike paths. But for actual mountain biking, 90% of sales are in FS. More people riding, progressing and riding more often.
>>Also, you will eventually see many municipalities across the globe outlaw
Again, like spoken from another dimension. Europe has wholly legalized them as long as they are Class 1 ebikes. In the US, local trails are legalizing ebikes every week. State Forest and National Parks are legalizing them wherever bicycles are allowed with very few obstacles. The key is they have to be Class 1 ebikes for trails. For roads, Class 2 and Class 3 ebikes are the categories since they can achieve higher speeds.
@EMTBReview we will see.
I don't blame you for being a bit triggered. It's your job to promote them.
What I didn't mention is the constant blown motors, stretched or ripped chains, distroyed cassette, and chain rings, not to meantion battery issues.
Enjoy your money pit.
I will stick to acoustic bikes.
I also stand fast by my opinion that ebikes will eventually die out once consumers realize how bad of a money put it is and, the government, especially California, will start regulating them as a motorized mode of transport.
I am also doubling down that gates and pinion will be the future of the sport. More reliable and makes the back lighter and shifting all the weight to bottom center of the bike which is greatly beneficial.
@@EMTBReview Wow FC, I'm surprised you wasted so much of your time on this commenter who is talking out of his backside. But it is entertaining watching a nice guy like you destroy his blather...
Could you have missed the mark on any more levels?
DJ всех убил
yes.
Beautiful bike.
Where is it made?
Motor is made in China and frame in China as well. Kind of risky but DJI drones and products are all made in China and they are the best in their categories. So i suspect it will be a new normal.
@@EMTBReview My concern is not on technical or quality. I dropped my China made iPhone so many, many times and it still works. My only fear is how the tariff will affect the price. Will we have to pay $14k for a $7k bike?
Maybe spend the $7k on a vacation to UK and ship one back?