2024 KTM Fuel Tank Issue - Poor Design or Internet Myth?
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- There is a lot of talk online about the poor design of the new KTM/Husky fuel tanks and the placement of the fuel pump. I tend to believe the engineers who design these bikes probably know what they are doing so I'm testing how much fuel you can use before running out on my 2024 Husqvarna TE300 Pro. I made it 95 KM or 59 miles and when it ran out I had less than 0.5 L left in the tank. I'm sure I could have gone a bit more if I were to stand the bike up and get that little bit of fuel into the reservoir.
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It's a bad design. Period. Why would anyone want to carry extra weight in gas the bike just can't use because the pickup can't reach it. I am an engineer by trade and this would be considered a design failure.
What kind of engineer
Its a good thing dozens of other engineers know what they are doing and produced this bike and setup and it works great
@MrDirtrdr22 yeah, I've never had any issues, even at race pace.
@panic-revv85 so your bike uses all the fuel in the tank before running out of gas? The video maker is a lier or has a broken bike?
@Randy_Cox I can get down to the last inch or two just like this guy did. The pickup has a sock on it and as long as it stays saturated your good. I can go just as long on this bike as my yz250x with a 3.2g tank. I team raced a national hare and hound a month back and did 45 miles on my loop and never had the gaslight turn on. Lots of whoops, rocks, and a good verity of fast and tech sections.
I was riding Moab, UT last weekend on a rented 2024 GasGas EC300... I got a fuel light at just over 40 miles and there was plenty on fuel in the left side of the tank(just below the shroud line). I rode one day to 48 miles and did not run out of fuel in those miles where the bike would not start but I did notice some staling on down hills after the fuel light was on, which I assume was the reservoir running dry. All my carb or TPI KTM machines could easily do 60mile loops without a fuel light or reserve. Whether or not it runs out of fuel, I don't appreciate having the bike's design giving me fuel anxiety, power-offs and having fuel in the tank that is not accessible unless the bike tipped or bounced around in a certain way. In my opinion its an utterly stupid and foolish design.
I've gone 40 miles at race pace and had plenty of fuel. The blushing and bouncing around keeps the pickup filter saturated. I've never ran out.
@user-fz8fy4zl1c you've got to pull the tank on pretty much any bike to get the plug.
@@panic-revv85 Not on my 2022 KTM 300 XC TPI. Do not have to remove anything to remove the sparkplug. Quite easy acces from the right side.
@@human1513how many miles before the light comes on on the 2022? I’m shocked at the low figures I’m reading for the 24…
@@panic-revv85 You're missing my point...I never ran out either, but I shouldn't have to be even thinking about it at 40 miles.
Thanks for taking the time to make this great test. I had been thinking of buying that mod, but after watching this, I think I'll hold off for now. You have amazing scenery to ride in!
The Taco Moto mod also can suck air, which is kind of annoying and defeats the purpose of running so low 😂
I'd imagine this is a major issue if you're low on fuel and transferring between trail sections where the remaining fuel isn't getting splashed around enough to be taken up by the pump. Seems like they could have designed this better with that in mind.
Thank you for your content, your approach to these “issues” what ever they might be, and the beautiful mountain single track. No TH-cam channel makes me want to ride quite like PNW Enduro!
Thanks! 🙏
Great video! I have range anxiety on my 24 TE250. I got stuck on my second ride (dealer didn’t fill up my tank and I went to a local trail where the way back was about 3 miles of fire road) The bike had probably just as much as you in the left wing. Ever since then I’ve been super worried about gas but after watching this I’ll just carry a fuel can with me in the longer single track days just in case!
I just tested my 2024 350 exc-f a couple weekends ago - fuel light came on after 100 miles (aggressive riding) and I made it back to camp no problem 115 miles. Same level as this - maybe an inch and a half of fuel showing and no stalls.
Great vid, you’ve put my mind at ease. Thanks
Woot woot, another video! Cup of tea at the ready.
Still a poor design if that much fuel is unuseable. Could have just made the tank that much smaller. If nothing else then that unusable fuel is just extra weight a bike where they are optimising a lot of stuff to save a couple hundred grams of weight.
For the money they charge for these bikes, you think they'd have it figured out by now in 2024. Yes, they're beautiful high performance machines. One post on here said his bike is cutting out on steep hill climbs. Not good!
They do have it figured out. Its a non issue
My fear is having the little sump on top of the frame going dry while ripping through some whooped out trails. I had the low fuel light come on at 29 miles on slow single track.
If you are on whooped out trails the fuel will constantly be getting transferred into the sump so no need for you to worry.
Hey Greg, can you fill me in on how you determined that the green map will go farther on fuel than the white map? I ride som long rides and even have a 3.1 gal tank on my '23TX 300. but I'm only getting about 27 mpg in the white map.
Thank you for your testing! In my experience with the TBI EC300 2024 hard enduro style riding, it is almost the same 75Km. However, I felt that the fuel warning indicator comes on earlier (40~45Km???) than the TPI. I think that makes people worry.
Yes, it seems silly but the low fuel light comes on with 40-50% of the fuel left.
Literally just today my fuel light came on at 34 miles. Fuel level was just above the bottom of the left shroud. My mileage has been ~26mpg, which is 20% less than what I was getting on my TPI. Combine the worse mileage with the tank design, and fuel anxiety is a real thing. I'm happy you got 50+ miles (edit: KMs) before the light came on.
If the terrain is bumpy enough, then I think you'll be fine and it'll use *most* of the fuel. But if you're dual-sport riding or riding transfer roads, then yes 100% absolutely the fuel pickup design is an issue. It was designed around the motocross bikes that don't have the deep lower "wings" that the enduro tanks have.
Fuel light came on at 54.8 KM not miles.
@@PNWEnduro Well that makes way more sense, silly me for not converting. 😊
So you got 50ish miles out of the tank total, 15mi of which the light was on. Sounds about inline with what I’m seeing, and still not great. The light coming on at 34 miles is absurd.
59 miles on the tank, I think it would be a bit more if I wasn't on a road at the end. Still not as far as I could go on my old TPI or the Sherco with the SC.
Throw a TSP high compression head on there and you will get 30% better fuel mileage. Or if you ride below 4900 ft. Get the medium compression head.
Not bad mileage though
I haven’t had any fuel issues on my ‘24 250EXCF . I ride mainly rocks , roots and ruts . Most rides are generally 100 - 120kms .
Pretty wild. Did a DS ride on the 500 the other day. 40mi of ST, 15mi of dirt roads, 65mi of pavement. Rolled into the gas station on fumes. I did hypermile on the last 1/5th of the trip. Where is that fuel going on the TBI?
A friend of mine had some issued with the new design. Apparently the problem is, that the fuel transfer (with less fuel in the tank) front right to left side is dependant on your bike moving up/down so the fuel can "slosh" from right to left side. So as long as your riding rogher terrain its not a problem but smoother terrain (road, easy single track, connection tracks) can lead to the fuel not being transfered from right to left side. My friend had this exact problem on a return trip from a ride - the tank was already getting low before the return ride and while on the return the fuel was only being consumed from the left side. End of story: 2 guys trying to get the bike in a position where the rest of the fuel transfers from right to left and buying a bigger tank afterwards :).
Great video. You mention that fuel economy is better with green map over white (soft). Why is this? Is the soft map richer?
Why is green more fuel efficient? Does the white map provide more fuel at lower throttle openings?
I have a 24 tx 300, I have personally ran out of fuel twice and had too lift the bike up onto the back wheel to get that last 2ltrs or so to be picked up by fuel pump in order to get back to my vehicle.
For real , for the cost of these bikes , that is darn near inexcusable , and KTM should do a recall with a factory fix that doesn't cost the owner a thing. That would be the stand up thing to do.
which product are you talking about at min 13:00 to prevent the issue?
Good test!
What’s that handlebar pack? Who makes it. It looks nice and slim
Good video! Thanks for the info.
What straps are you using to hold the bottle to your fender?
Trailbound.
Thanks
What do you carry your spare fuel in strapped to the mudguard?
Just a Gatorade bottle at the moment.
I got to ride my pro first time this week how do you feel about power mine felt really boggy on top
Mine feels great.
We’re you using the green map the whole time or using white as well?
Only green.
Thanks for the real world data ! What was the gearing on your bike when you did this test ?
Stock gearing 13/45.
Great trails you have there ! So awesome nobody around!
Nice video man. I have also heard the stories but not encountered it myself. Thanks for doing the video. Informative. Oh an I bought the Scotts Steering Stabilizer, you may not remember. Anyway. It's awesome, I have it on my FE350 and it works just as well on the TE300. You and I ride the same sort of terrain. Rocks, roots and such. It really helps with high speed deflection of those rocks and roots. I highly recommend you give one a try. I paid about $900ish (USD) from Scotts themselves and for that price it also included the anti vibration sub mount. Money well spent IMHO, very configurable and about the best one on the market. Don't get the knock offs' they don't work properly, lots of YT videos on them. Scotts Steering Damper, you won't be sorry. Helps with arm pump too.
You should have bought the precision racing.... its 10x better
I’m riding a 250 xc. 2nd ride in the woods about a year ago when the bike was new I went down in a corner. Picked myself and the bike back up and it would not start. Being new to this machine I couldn’t figure out what was wrong. Especially because it’s fuel injected. There was still visible gas in the tank and what looked like plenty to continue riding. I learned the hard way about the pump/reservoir issue. After a bit of shaking the bike around enough fuel must have made its way into the fuel pump to fire again and get me going. However, that would stink to happen in a racing event. We do hare scrambles and J days here in New England. I always carry an extra liter on the trail rides now.
I understand you not wanting to reveal the trails you ride. They look pretty awesome! But what state are you in? I lived in WA for years. Loved it there. So many trails. Great videos too, love your channel.
I was gettinng about 25mpg with stock tunes. Went up to 29 with tsp high comp head and tu e
Thanks for the great video Greg. Real world info is so valuable. I’m fine with 95 km.
Also not gonna cry like a baby if I have to carry a little gas- I’m usually carrying a chainsaw 😆
Lol, thanks buddy. 95 km is fine for most rides but it's true the previous models could go farther. My main goal here was to prove you can use up pretty much all of the fuel in the tank.
Good test. You mention that the soft map (white) uses more fuel than the green map. Why is that? Is the soft map richer?
From my understanding soft map retards the timing causing the engine to be less fuel efficient.
You have to be doing some side to side motion, Laying it down on its side, when the pick up location in the back of the tank runs dry. That splashes some fuel up into the “pickup pocket”. I have done this multiple times after the bike died on a long straight. Kinda a pain in the ass. But, just over 60 miles and on fumes rolling back to the truck. 2024 te 300
I'm so jealous of the trails you get to ride they are absolutely gorgeous but there has to be a downside. How long is your riding season?
12 months a year! We are just limited to a handful of local spots in the winter but they are good so we are lucky.
Completely agree - you have some great places to ride! Enjoy and ride safe 🙏
The downside is taxes.
@@gophopthe downside is living in canaduh.
@@garnet4846 Do you think Canadiens would support a convicted con artist felon for prez? Talk about duh.
Interesting i dig not know about this change. I’m on team awful change. An extra source for flameout when going fast on the race tracks. Soo many times my husqvarna threw me over the bars from sudden flameout when going on the throttle out of turns.
The problem is year after year ktm and their brands bring out bikes with minor issues like this. And then the next year refuse to do anything about it all whilst charging $17-20k aud for a bike that isnt built properly. Then release an "all new bike" and its the same thing with the minor issues fixed and a bigger price tag
Your video was nicely done. I feel it proves that on your ride in the video you had very few fuel concerns. Will others have the same experience who knows only time will tell. The engineers could have easily shaped the fuel pump and the tank so the pump could have been bolted into the lower part of the left side of the fuel tank. Then no one would be concerned about fuel issues.
Nice video. This is a popular subject right now. The fuel pump location and pickup issue that results is no doubt a design flaw. Depending on the terrain and rider input, you certainly can use all of the fuel. However, many people will experience the symptom of fuel pickup loss while fuel is still remaining in the tank. It is particularly problematic for the dual sport bikes that spend time on paved roads. It exacerbates the issue and pickup loss happens around 1/3 of a tank on smooth terrain. At this time I am embracing it as a silver lining that warns me of low fuel if I get carried away. That way I can get the remaining fuel up to the pump and re evaluate my route. In the end, your use case will determine how much this annoys you. Enduro riders may not be too bothered by it. As the OP mentioned there is a mod to relocate the fuel pumps pickup location, Taco Moto Co is offering this solution.
I feel like the Taco Moto kit is a waste of money, it would cost me $400 to buy it and it's only really get you a few more miles at best. I was really disappointed when they revealed that product.
@@PNWEnduro I hear ya on that. I won’t mod the factory tank as I have been able to use the fuel up. The mod might be worth it for those who install the larger aftermarket tanks. My guess is that the larger tanks will end up leaving more “unused” fuel in some situations.
What gear is that and is it vented?
Leatt 5.5, the jersey is vented, the pants somewhat. Most comfortable gear I've used so far.
I did 120kms In Taylor Park Reservoir on a 2023 KTM 300xc, did not run out of gas, I was swerving all over the road to move the gas around trying to get back to the truck.
120km is a huge day! A lot of technical terrain there and at a big elevation too.
@@PNWEnduro So lets be real, at high elevation, the bike will use less gas, on top of that when I linked up with these riders, they said something about a 120 mile ride, I was like no way, any of these bikes will go that far, and ultimately it wasn't, but it made me ride conservable. Some down hills I turned the bike off, so that helped a bit. There was some roads, and a bit of panic with the group trying to figure out how to get back, I know the Sherco ran out of gas 3 times, everyone else was ok, but got back to the campsite in the dark with no head light, not sure if the bike was going to die, I kept swerving left and right.
Yep you can hear the fan.
What tool bag is that on your handlebar?
Trailbound.
what is the reason behind this fuel tank design to not let you use all of the fuel?????
Previously the fuel pump was on the left side lower corner and the outlet was in a more vulnerable spot.
LIkely mass centralization, it's less prone to damage, it's easier to service the fuel pump/internal filters now. I'd guess that the new tank was designed around the MX bikes, and they don't have the lower "wings" on the tanks that the enduro bikes have, so much less of an issue on them.
Great video. Also correct me if im wrong, but i think the Husky have an 8.5 liters tank vs the ktm a 9 liters tank on the 2024 models. That would be interesting to see the real capacity number on both.
Looks like you are correct. I did not know this, thought they were the same. Unless the specs online are wonrg, which is common for KTM. That's disappointing!
@@PNWEnduro I didn't know this either until just now. I also have the te300pro. linkage suspension and brembo hydraulics / brakes make it still worth it IMO
@mattgohio I'll be honest, the difference in fuel capacity may have convinced me to get the XCW over the TE300 Pro had I known. I could have used the difference in price to have the suspension valved and lowered a bit.
I did 70km last time with a mix of hydro line trail, single track and wide open trail and the fuel light did not came on yet after the 70km. I was probably getting close too have the light but that means with the test you ran in your video, i could have run another 30/40km. The more you know!
KTM also used to state than the XCW and XC had different fuel capacities - despite the tanks being the same part#. So who knows if that's true or a misprint.
I would say that any fuel stalls is a no go for anyone racing or trying to get through tougher obstacles. Having just ridden 5MOH and some of the other color trails (all in one go), there would have been several times where that stall could have created injury or really messed up my attempts to ride through features.
But it wouldn’t be an issue there as the fuel would be getting moved into the reservoir on that terrain.
We run enduros and dual sports here in Ohio. For the dual sports ,you had better have at least 60 miles of range in mud conditions to make it to the gas stops. The enduros aren't quite that far , but we do run some extended trail rides. For sure if one of the riders gets one of these , they will have to pack gas . Now my 98 kdx220 will go 75 to 80 miles . To design a $14k dirt bike and not to be able to use the fuel in the tank is ridiculous to say the least .
I used 95% of the fuel and it only cut out when I was wide open on a road. In the trail I think I'd be close to 100%. Sure it's not perfect but it's not nearly as bad as people are making it out to be.
@user-fz8fy4zl1c you are fucking high!
@@PNWEnduro You can't blame people when it previously _was_ perfect. A step backwards is a step backwards, and should be called out imo.
I have a 2024 TBI and I carried with fuel because when I return down shoft hill to mi home always My bike out of fuel but It have fuel , I hate this bike. This years I sold It. I dont wants buy a Big tank and Its out of law carried with fuel. Very bad Husqvarna very bad, the first time when I dont know this feature I was out of fuel alone in the montain when I down for the smooth road
@@lacemiwouldn't that be a problem for you with any bike tho?
5:15 trippy.
Just picked up my new 2024 300 XC-W. I rode Malcolm Smith and Yamaha plus some other single track today. Ran out at 53 miles. Not good. Definitely an issue here in my mind.
Agree the mileage could be better, the tank/pump design is not as big of a problem people are making it out to be. I have other reports of people getting 70 miles on a tank.
Love the 24. Fuel pickup is perfect. I use every last bit of fuel in my tank. Flat, down hill, up hill and all. If you ride the bike you will be fine. Also note, the fuel level sensor can be changed. From factory its setup to come on at hakf a tank... For down and backs. Its simple. Ive had a 3.2 on my 24 since August last year. Get well over 120 miles hard enduro, racing and punishment. Almost 170 riding service roads with the kid. Never dieing because lack of fuel. Less than a quarter in the left wing. Seems like the people complaining are the people that dont physically ride their bikes
fuel light came on at 50 miles for me yesterday.. 2024 fe350s
not even 60 miles is pretty poor for an enduro bike, my sherco with a stock carb has a range of 70 with more aggressive riding and probably 90 if i really really stretched it and decided to go thru all my reserves
I have a '22 300 XCW and my friend has a 24' 300 XCW and I got about 7 or 8 mire miles out of ny tank
I could see that, TPI was more fuel efficient than TBI is.
A little more efficient, the TPI runs cooler, and damn near impossible to foul a plug where the TBI fouled like 4 plugs whole he was getting used to the warm up procedure coming from TPI. I'm not trading in for a while.
I ran out today at 45 miles. Lots of fuel still in my tank. Design is stupid.
" I'm on a road so the fuel isn't transferring up as much" ? Hiwbua that nit what people are saying?
So if you are on the road going home you run short. If you’re 100% off road in bumpy sections you might get further. Sounds like everyone with KTHusgas needs to live in the woods! What a joke. Bad design.
Guys, to be honest even a 60mi range is dismal… my current 2022 4T goes 110+mi between refuels, I’d love to replace it with a 2T, but a 60mi range would be a problem, never mind 40…
Yes, 60 miles is not great but generally good enough for the rides I do on the 2t. 4t will always have better mileage, still, would be nice to get 80 on this bike.
@@PNWEnduro indeed. I’m under the impression that most of the people on 2T I ride with manage at least 80mi, they’re mostly on betas. I’ll have to look into this further. Personally I’m not convinced by the tacomoto solution, perhaps a larger tank could be worth it. Btw, I don’t object to the reason ktm stated for the new fuel pickup position, an easily serviceable pump, it seems reasonable, but still don’t get why they couldn’t design a better pickup from the bottom of the tank even with that constraint.
Fuel pumps do NOT like to be run dry - even on an intermittent basis! They use gasoline as both lubricant and for cooling the copper armature windings and commutator / brushes.
IMO - this is an *extremely* poor design on KTM's part.. !
Apparently this only applies to the husky’s. Not sure about the gas gas
Ktm/husky/gas gas all the same. Fuel pump same part number.
People sure do love to complain. That said, KTM has given those people the perfect opportunity to do so. I'm currently on a stock tuned 2018 350 XCF. It is very powerful and at the same time conservative on fuel. Win!
Can’t beat a four stroke for fuel economy!
A gas tank that doesn't let you use all the gas inside it is clearly a poor design. Especially when the old carb ones with a simple petcock would drain every last drop.
You still had to lay the bike over to get all the fuel from the right side of the tank but nobody complained about that.
@@PNWEnduro I dunno, I finished a ride a few weeks ago on my 2014 with about 1/4" left in the deep side, not a drop in the other side.
It's just a dumb design decision, I still love KTM but we should just call a spade a spade. Not only do you now have a fuel pump that can randomly fail, but you can run out of gas with gas still in your tank? "Progress" shouldn't look like this.
I got 85 miles on my ‘23
It would be nice if they did a factory recall to extend the fuel pick-up, but then I suppose they have to have some "great new feature" for the 2025 bikes to sell.
Sounds a bit like Apple. Don't solve all the problems at once or you'll have nothing to offer on the next model!
There will be no change to the fuel pickup on the 2025 bikes.
I’ve never gone on a long ride to where I’m using 98% of the fuel in the tank anyway? Why would you let it get down that low to begin with? I don’t know how you fellas treat your car or truck but keep that shit topped off when you can. Same principle.
A lot of rides in the mountains are big loops, you have no choice but to do 60+ miles so topping up fuel is not an option. If you do these kind of rides this is a legitimate concern and possibly a deal-breaker for some riders.
One of the reasons i bought a 4t, i have a 2g tank and can go 80 miles easily
Yes, the longer rides I usually take the 4t. Even then, I’ll pack a bit of fuel just in case.
Perfect, debunked all the internet stupid crap out there and we've been saying the fuel pickup is not an issue on these bikes. I have never had an issue as well, get about 60 miles of hard riding and when I go far I carry a small amount of fuel just like my other carb bikes. Another great video by PNW Enduro!
Thanks. Always a good idea to carry extra fuel on the mountain rides regardless because you never know what can happen!
Still gets better fuel economy than my 23 Beta 300, not by much but.
Yeah the Beta’s seem to use a lot of fuel from what I’ve seen.
i have a 21' 690 and because of euro5 emissions the bike ran lean and hot as fuck from the factory. people should not be complaining about fuel economy. You want MORE gas. More lubrication. More cooling. who cares about fuel economy on dirt bikes they get great mpg as it is
Fuel economy is absolutely a concern when you are doing 70 mile loops and the bike can only make it 60.
That is an awful result.. only 60miles !!....my UK model 2023 KTM EXC can do 90 miles on a tank...average of 10 miles per litre. for this reason I will not be buying this newer model. Carry extra fuel...that's a no-no. KTM should be increasing the tank capacity, not reducing it. In the UK we are probably not 10 miles from a fuel station but you in the USA, the mind boggles.
Everyone crying about fuel mileage. I had a 1990 Honda CR500 in the early 90's if I got 35 miles out of a tank of fuel I was doing good.
Have had zero issues with my 24… if your riding Offroad and bike is getting any type of movement it splashes up..
If you worried stop slush, lean over and go. No different than a normal bike pre Efi you had to sometimes lean it over lol..
Funny how folks have to complain .. or jokes of a company like taco Moto have to feed people fear to make a dollar
Yes a lot of people just like to repeat what they see online. I wanted to show the fuel tank design works as the engineers intended it to. Before I bought this bike I was thinking the Taco kit would be a must have, then when I saw what it is and how much it costs and I know it's completely unnecessary.
Whether people like it or not, that is not engineering magic and its not great, I hope they fix it. Nobody wants to tip over the bike to get fuel and to watch what they ride in order to get more mileage. Maybe some people want to ride flat desert, why should they struggle with that, because KTM is a lazy ass? Its just stupid.
You had to tip the bike over to get the fuel from the right side over to the left on the previous design.
BS all the guys here with the new design here have run out of fuel to the pump , several towed them out , Its the road back to the truck on smooth terrain and they all fail, some with 1/3 tank of fuel left. not rocket science the fuel pump inlet is 8 inch from the tank low point . The design is Horrible. If your in rough terrain they will go further but never will they use a full fuel tank.. Also on a long downhill they will die since the pump is at the rear of tank. WE have the snorkel and it will pull from the bottom until ewe drop bike to the right side and then the pump inlet sucks pulls air, Then the pump is airlock, the pump is Not a positive displacement type which means they will not draw a suction once air is in the inlet tube.
So you have the taco moto kit thats unreleased still or did you make your own.
@@MrDirtrdr22 I have same prototype kit and pulls from bottom . Have 2 of them .pump will not lift fuel once airlock.unless tank is filled
100 percent disagree. All Ktm carbs and tpi's go further. Thats the bottom line and what matters. Its a flawed design in combination with poor fuel economy.
do you realize KTM is just like Audi and BMW garbage
yz250x an acerbis tank and a smart carb I get 90-100 miles.......
If you loop over your carb hoses you will get even more.
@@rztrzt Smartcarbs dont have hoses man.
@@ashflame6888 Duh sorry I missed that part.
Except you can’t use the Smartcarb in the winter when it’s cold and wet because condensation on the slide causes to to stick and gives you a hanging idle. Since we are talking about bad design.
@@PNWEnduro Did you ever test the SC2 with dimples? Glad I don't have to deal with riding in the cold! :D