Christ is King! This is the 33rd Atheism to Christianity video. All are in a convenient playlist featured on my channel page. The original source is ALWAYS linked in brackets as the first link in the description. Commentary at the end is my own. Peter Hitchens is notably the brother of late Christopher Hitchens. I do apologize for the brief interruption in the video (I intended for the audio to be present during that section, but I goofed!)
@@AspiringChristian Keep up the good work and have my sub. I think if I follow your channel, I'll get plenty of opportunities to have genuine discussions with people who need to be challenged in their atheistic faith as much as I need to be challenged in my Christian faith. It is good for all of us. There will be those who resort to base insults and character assassination rather than actual debate, but if it reaches even one heart, changes even one mind, saves even one soul, then it's all worth it.
Thank you for posting this ! What joy fills my heart too hear Peter Hitchens speach . Amen Lord Jesus is King ✝️🙏 Bless you and this channel too Gods Glory
Christ is not a mere king, Christ is the Lord and saviour of all of mankind! Sure, Jesus is also the King of kings, meaning, even kings have to bow in grace to Jesus, but Jesus Himself is no mere king. God bless you! And I hope Christopher Hitchens, in his heart, knew Jesus died for his sins, for him to be saved. I hope so. God bless his soul.
Yes, I listened to a video where Dawkins said what he did. It was such a different spin on things. I am glad to hear him say that and found it refreshing. I pray that Richard comes around fully to a saving faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Wow, Hitchens brought up an outstanding point, that came from his gut; a deep and profound one at that. The opposition wants to take God out of the picture. He said that God is the only One that stands in their way.
well, how can we take god out of the picture, when we don't even know how to put god into the picture to begin with. and which god? if things can be explained without a god, then is that god's fault? personally, i think it's just science helping humans grow and learn. if god wants to come on down and show himself, like all the god(s) used to 2000+ years ago, they are more than welcome. until then, personally, i think it's all just a story made up to help humans feel better about their place in the universe.
I can relate to Peter. I was agnostic and an avid admirer of his brother Christopher and Professor Dawkins for 13 years. Im a 36 yr. old male nurse. After becoming wiser with age, working my career in nursing, becoming more knowledgable about science, which also humbled me with the realization I knew very little about the universe, all that collectively drove me to read the New Testament for myself, study the history of the scriptures, and I eventually gave my life to Christ. I now see the atheist arguments that I once held in high esteem from a much different perspective. Their arguments sound empty, meaningless, purposeless, and frankly ignorant. Many atheists fake being knowledgable about the Bible and science. They memorize high profile atheist quips, things theyve heard on youtube, and pass them off as their own, and in my experience with debating them in live video chats, they ended up having a very shallow knowledge about Christianity and science frankly. Its evidence that they accept atheism on faith because their knowledge is often times very superficial and they accept basic tenants of atheism on trust from the authority figures they admire. My coming to Christ was in no way faith-based as atheists would believe. It was based on extensive historical research. My beliefs are so evidence based I would feel comfortable debating anyone on the topic. As the scripture say always be ready to defend Christ with a knowledgeable mind and humble spirit.
@@grayhalf1854 since you dont feel knowledgeable enough to debate me, if you can get a celebrity debater, Matt, with millions of followers to debate a nurse in the comments section, you let me know and ill be there. Go get your big brothet Matt and ill debate him. Youve proved my point that most atheists dont know squat about the topic. They just quote some famous atheist because they cant personally stand on their own intellect
Remember Peter so ardently refuting the gospel. This does my heart well. So grateful he said yes and that he is offering his immense intellect and wit to advance the Kingdom of God.
What might justice look like for me to stand before the holy God? What might justice look like for you? Even so, out of His immense kindness and love, he sent his son to suffer and die, for my sins, and for your sins. Don’t think you have any. Ouch? Just a wonder what you thought of me just reading this? Instead of justice we get grace and mercy. Why, because I’m such a good guy? It is the opposite. When I was his enemy, he still died for me. Makes no sense, to we puny humans who demand justice over every small offense. He deserved the greatest respect, and I spat in His face. Now, He calls me his own, an adopted son, His friend. Insane, and beyond lovely.
I think you are thinking of Christopher, his brother, who has deceased. I don't remember Peter ever refuting the gospel. He did used to disbelieve it but was quite unknown at the time.
“A number of people who are in the end servants of power are… quite anxious to dispel enormous force of restraint on power which Christian belief provides!” Brilliant! An accurate assessment.
@@jimvanlint8043 assert /əˈsəːt/ verb state a fact or belief confidently and forcefully. Which one? 1. That it's glorious, 2. I thought this was click bait, 3. We all know Christopher Hitchings, 4. Christ is King. Not only are you vague with your comment, so I don't know what you are talking about, but also, you became a hypocrite to do it. Did my name trigger you?😂 Stay Triggered! 👍
@TheTriggeredChristian I'm not triggered at all by you. You are loved. You are valued. You are cared for. So come to Christ. I was delivered from so much by Jesus. I now feel peace and joy that is the best. Unnatural. You can experience it as well. You just accept Jesus. Put your genuine faith in him. All worry, anxiety, depression, delusion, obsession, and more left me. Any problems you have can be fixed by Jesus. Come to know Jesus my friend. God bless ❤️✝️
@MichelleDavis-xk8rc Jesus said he would leave us with the Spirit of truth. The Holy Spirit. I follow Jesus. Paul met Jesus. Actually, he was blinded by him. That's in Acts 9. Paul also never contradicts what Jesus taught. If you have a verse in mind, I would love to see it. Paul was specifically chosen, directly by Jesus, to spread his name among people. That's Acts 9:15-16. If you don't believe what the one Jesus sent said, in light that nothing he said contradicts Jesus, I don't know what to tell you. I do want to ask, though, where do you think you will go when you die and why? Much love ❤️✝️
Eloquent and profound. These brothers possess high IQ and keen intellect.. amazing to see how one brother used his intellectual gifts from God, and how the equally brilliant brother used his.
It still cracks me up that he is Christopher Hitchens brother. It's funny that people deride Peter for being haughty and self righteous. Christopher was the king of solipsistic bloviation but was beloved as "clever" because he was an Atheist.
You gotta remember back in the day it was pretty much Dawkins and Chris Hitchens defending atheism, may his soul rest in peace. As snide and cruel as the fellow was, he was at the very least consistent.
@@plaidpunk Christopher Hitchens on his deathbed verbally doubted his life long held atheism. If he was consistent he wouldn't have done that. In any case, I hope his soul is with Jesus. I always liked Christopher Hitchens, even when I disagreed with him.
@@S.D.323 When death comes near,atheists often start thinking otherwise....out of fear probably. Atheism is an arrogant attitude of self-centered know it alls. We don't know anything for sure. Really intelligent people know and acknowledge that. Atheism is self-serving only.
There was nothing clever about the man. His argumentation was a circle-jerk of logical fallacy. People will accept anything they want to believe without question, including the pontificating bloviation of one Christopher Hitchens.
I didn't know Christopher Hitchens had a brother who looked so much the same and was an Atheist, but now defending Christianity! I wonder what his brother would say if he was still alive
@@neilgamble1484 Found wanting compared to his brother Christopher who was married and divorced 3 times, who had to regulate his moods with alcohol and smoking, the later of which was probably the cause of the cancer that killed him. In the long run, it doesn't seem as if it was Peter who was found wanting.
My favorite thing about atheism is that it has provided me the opportunity to sharpen my skills in defense of the faith. That is why I come to the comments looking for debate. As a Christian, I find myself actively seeking to be proven wrong. Why keep a faith that is obviously false? I want people to challenge me. I want to face down the hard questions. I want to be forced to actually think, to apply logic and reason to a faith I know I can never definitively prove. And maybe, just maybe, I can get an atheist or agnostic to do the same. It is my genuine belief that nearly all of them simply lack exposure to the material.
@@jordancarmack584 Because true faithful have arrived seeking Truth, not necessarily God, and have found those are one and the same. Atheists are so reviled by the idea of God that they shun the possibility that one proclaiming God can has arrived to this by seeking truth. Peter H., I think, has hit the nail on the head. They do not want there to be God because they want to keep their "everything is permissible" lifestyle. It's an emotional knee-jerk reaction of an intellectually feeble mind. They hope against hope that, if everyone purports to agree with them, they will finally stop feeling terrible about themselves.
@@Lothnar5070 Now, I'm no scholar, so I may be wrong, but isn't the entire point of debate to convince the other party of the merit of your position? After all, a true fact cannot be debated as it has already been irrefutably proven. It is not a waste of time for me to try to persuade someone that God exists and that there is more to our existence than just this life. Also, it is erroneous to suggest that I have no evidence. My evidence is entropy, a universal law, accepted by all scientists, that makes it impossible for anything that we know to exist as it does by accident. The universe tends toward chaos, not order and toward death, not life. Some thing, acting deliberately, had to create everything and to set everything in motion. There is literally no other explanation offered by anyone, anywhere. The only question is what or who? That it was my God is the only part I can't prove, but I can certainly provide evidence that there is an intelligent Creator.
@@Lothnar5070 No evidence? 🤣 My guy the gospels themselves provide evidence of the apostles meeting the risen Jesus and not to mention paul's conversion of Christian slayer to a follwer of christ.
I KNOW God exists because after I gave my heart to Christ, I had a born again experience. The Holy Spirit swooped into my body and almost scared me to death but He immediately revealed Himself to me. In all the years that I had Christians for friends, nobody had explained what born again meant. I had no idea that the Holy Spirit comes to indwell the believer. So no argument can convince me that God is a mere belief. I’m definitely “a new creation in Christ Jesus (2 Corinthians 5:17),” a much different and kinder person than I was before my conversion.
Also, there is cases such as the cases measured by the C.U.R.E.D. principle, formulated by Lambertini to explain away too, incurable, riversable ailments being reversed through prayers to nothing, a more absure declaration is unfathomable. Not to mention that even if you throw away the data and a 100 000 more come back with similar reports backed by testamonie from medical profesionals and observers. One might 'bla bla bla' your way around it, till you hit a wall of data so tall you have but little choice to swallow your pride and take the intellectual's route, to accept that there is no running from this. For what copacity does nothing have to do something, let alone something remotely organized. It stands no chance.😂
Matter and energy cannot be created nor destroyed, therefore no matter nor energy would’ve existed to do the causing. Consequently, whatever did cause the universe to exist, would need to be immaterial and exist beyond time and space! Genesis 1: 1 God creates time space and matter! The KILLER is, Entropy! Entropy is somewhat opposite of evolution and why did this come into the universe if everything’s getting better? Genesis 2:17 says death came into the universe through the first sin! First two chapters of the Bible not the 500th chapter or the thousandth chapter; explain what evolutionists have not explained; and no other worldview EXPLAINS ENTROPY -The 2nd LAW AT ALL, let alone the first law of thermodynamics! So the Bible explains how matter, space, time, entropy, and energy get here; Right out the gate! DNA does not auto encrypt, it did not write itself the code writer is outside of the code. 3300 billion lines of computer code in 1 humans DNA genome, would fill the Grand Canyon 50 times of Books, let alone plant and animal DNA and it did not write itself! One person‘s DNA could stretch to the sun and back 61 times! Psalm 139:16 “in my members you have written many books“. John 21:25 “I suppose everything Jesus did the world will not have enough room for the Books, telling of it“! God made matter and energy, a.k.a., the first law of thermodynamics and DNA, pointing to himself; pointing to an outside source beyond the realm of the universe; that these things were made there! Job 38:35 “were you there when I created the lightnings and they say ‘here we are!”’ This is God talking to Job! 3300 years later, James Maxwell discovers that light rays and electricity are two forms of the same thing! The Bible Predicted telecommunications
Great comment. DNA is especially compelling. Assuming their theories true, Abiogenesis making the first living single cell organism. That single call organism is even more complex when you consider the DNA code which it would have necessarily had. How could the code instantly appear without a programmer?
@@MagnusMarcellus if you serve God, you go to heaven, but if you don’t, your afterlife, Will be in hell forever, where you’re in flaming fire continuously!
@@MagnusMarcellusIf there is a God, everything matters, because if we have disobeyed His law and ignored His warnings to repent, to change our ways and trust in His son, then we’re in big trouble once we meet Him face to face. We don’t deserve heaven, and if we went there, heaven would turn into this current earth, full of murders and haters. It’s only by having our nature changed by Jesus Christ that we can be let into His house, because He knows who we are; His children.
I'm not sure how you could argue against his point, having been an athiest himself and being the brother of Christopher Hitchens. His perspective is unique and I agree with his conclusion. Athiests simply do not want there to be any authority or consequence beyond themselves.
As an atheist I can say that it's true. Because I don't want to be a slave, I don't want to have a master-overlord who tells me what to do with my life. I don't want such tyranny to rule over me, I want freedom to be whoever I want to be. I want to be grown up adult who takes responsibility for their own actions, I don't want to blame someone else for my actions, nor do I want to be guilty for someone else's actions. I don't want someone else to sacrifice themselves for my sake. I want absolute authority in my own life, because my life is the most important thing in my life. There is nothing more important in life than your own self and your own well-being, so there simply cannot be someone else outside of myself that can say to me that it's not so. Can't you say the same, why would you want to relinquish authority when it comes to your decisions and your well-being to someone else who is not you, who doesn't have your best in mind 100% of time simply because they are someone else with their own motives, plans, wants and needs? For example, if you're a Christian, do you know for sure that you really know your God Yahweh 100% or is there some part of him that you do not know or understand? If you don't understand your God's motives 100%, then you can't possibly trust that your God Yahweh has your best in mind 100%.
@@itsJPhere You've said quite a bit. I can't fully respond to it in a TH-cam comment. There are layers to what you believe that are deeply personal and, very sadly, I cannot dig through those in this format effectively. I will say this, I am no slave nor does God or Christ ever expect or want me to be. Islam has that belief. Christianity does not. I have absolute freedom. I choose to follow Christ. No preacher forces me to or brainwashed me to do so. That concept is a lie created long before you and I existed. As for knowing God 100%, I would say two things. First, look at the people around you. If you think you know them 100%, you're incorrect. You can't know everything about them because you aren't them. We all have secrets. Second, I have all of creation and all of existance and scripture (which I believe to be supported in large part by the sciences and historical record) and my own life experience as both a non-believer and a Christian that tells me as much about Him as would ever need to know. My life experience is enough for me to trust in Him. Finally, your concerns seem very much based on a strong fear of losing control of your life. Within that you seem to express the slim possibility of God's existance and that, if you believed in Him, you somehow lose that control. Every bit of sciencetific understanding we have about the universe, the planet and the existance of life on it tells us that it's all balanced on a razors edge. One tiny change and it never exists. One tiny change and it all goes away. And yet it doesn't. If we indulge for a moment, in light of this understanding, that small sliver you may have that God does exist then it's a likely hypothesis that God is the force holding it all together. If that's the case, then it's even more miraculous that a single human being would have the ability to deny that God's existance? Does that God seem like a slave master to you? I do want to say one more thing. You said you don't want someone to sacrifice anything for you. People do that daily in more ways than you or I can see.
@@itsJPhereyet HE Willingly went to The Cross ✝️🩸 HE sent THE HOLY SPIRIT Yes HE is very trustworthy! You came from 1 sperm entering 1 egg You are desperate to hold on to what you have all you can perceive about yourself. Born Again ~ The Eternal Spirit enters you! You have nothing to lose but everything to gain ~ by asking The Eternal Spirit ~ God to come into your life! Like the sperm & The egg we are a half life! Together they become something else But We need The Eternal Spirit To connect within so we can become A Brand New Creation! That will not die at physical death! JESUS CHRIST IS LORD ✝️🩸🕊️
I can easily refute it: ad hominem fallacy. I can do it in reverse: theists can't find a reason to live. They need to delude themselves with comforting lies. I think that's true, at least for many theists, but I don't use that as an argument.
Because Christianity defends mankind very well, from people who are quite willing to equate human beings with machines who can be engaged at the will of lies, made to sound like the truth; the next best thing to sliced bread. The utopian kind, which speaking of numbers, in terms of how long it will take, if ever, for their "bread " to materialize, they are willing to simply reckon the cost as just so many generations of people whose lives will be turned into complete and utter, desperation and ruin, and waste. But that is just breakage or collateral damage demanded by "enlightened progress" which is pushed out as the only way to save man from his backwardness and the planet that is now doomed to self destruct because of "man's ( to keep it vague), whatever inadequacies can fill the bill of fare, to best exploit conditions of chaos, confusion, and incompetence that are the real breeding ground for alienation and demoralization,,, from which, they must now deliver us!!! So what if millions will die through the "grace" of our favouring ( they hope) more of this wooly woke-d.i.e. "progressive" propaganda. Afterall, they can claim it as our choice.
This is SO very interesting. That a lifelong, intellectual and genius like Hitchens should at any point come to terms with, “there is a God” is amazing!
The point of having all the fringe benefits of Christianity whilst denying the power thereof rings true. Every atheist wants a great, comfortable, carefree life, but are annoyed by the fact every stable place they lay their hat is marked, JESUS WAZ HERE.
@@mikecara8181 But every group is made up of individuals who each must be individually born into that group. We, as Christians, are each individually born into the Church by the regenerating power of the Holy Spirit.
@@mikecara8181 Not everyone is saved, not everyone chooses God. First the Jew, then to the Greek. You cannot tell me every single Jew or Israelite in the Old Testament was saved.
I agreed with some of Hitchens' argument, but it's not ultimately a matter of opinion is it? Of course one needs to make a definite decision to believe. But that is a work of the Holy Spirit and a work of grace.
@@Digitalsapien I think you're dancing on a pinhead with this. My point was there needs to be intellectual assent. Walking in faith doesn't mean an abdication of thought and will.
Are you suggesting that people can't have faith in Christ unless they are regenerated or some other effectual work in Christ? Wouldn't that then imply that it's God's fault people don't believe? What do you do with "no excuse" in Romans 1 if believing is a work of the Holy Spirit and work of grace? Sounds like the unbelievers have the perfect excuse if you are correct? I have agreed with your first and second sentence. I made a comment to that effect and got roundly criticised by everyone who commented. I thought had found a kindred spirit until your final sentence.
@@LindeeLove "But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." - 1 Corinthians 2:14 If you are not born again (John 3:3), you are not "upgraded" by God to understand higher level knowledge and wisdom, to you that which is higher will seem like useless, fantastical and foolish. In other words, without being born of God, you are lacking in the ability to function and process information that requires you to be internally changed, within your spirit and soul, so that you can begin comprehending and utilizing such data. It's akin to a computer being thoroughly upgraded in hardware and software, it completely transforms it. That's the Christian message. Without God, you will remain a mere fallen/mortal human, live out your life and then die. But if you are transformed, you will inherit what God always meant for humankind to inherit. As you can see, countless people all around the world are experiencing just what I described above, when they come to the Lord Jesus Christ, in genuineness and sincerity, with humility and desire, they begin a new life. One that never ends. A true Christian is so transformed that they begin to resemble Jesus ever more, in terms of the goodness of His character. In other words, God is re-patterning people after Himself, whoever comes to Him, whilst retaining their unique person-hood and character.
@@LindeeLove "a fake state of awareness only achieved by those who try to find injustice everywhere except in their own behavior." You guys forever ask that question even when everyone has given you the answer!
I know this is an appeal to emotions, which you shouldn’t typically inject into an argument, but the idea of justice is a very loud and impactful argument nonetheless. To live in a world where countless injustices go unpunished here on earth is quite bleak and sad.
I found that going from Christianity to nihilism was just swapping one set of depressing beliefs for another. Gone were guilt, sin, hell, a God who doesn't answer prayer, cognitive dissonance, homophobia, etc and instead there was absurdity, no freewill, no life after death, no justice, no morality, etc. Both are psychologically painful, both provide some psychological comfort. Overall, I prefer nihilism.
As C. S. Lewis once observed, when a Christian is confronted by those who insist ''Why is it so important for you Christians to have everyone believe that there is a God?'', the counter-question is: ''Why is it so important for you non-Christians to have everyone believe there ISN'T?''
Most atheists don't actually care very much about what Christians believe. How many atheists spend their time spreading their opinions? (Apart from a small number on TH-cam of course)
This is a absolutely brilliant argument by Peter Hitchens. The best I have heard by him and one of the best I have heard period. I have been disappointed with some Peter Hitchens arguments in the past, but this one is truly great and one Peter Hitchens should be proud of, for it was virtually perfect!
It is an utterly pathetic argument. He has been invited to debate the merits of Christianity and the existence of God. He accepted. Then he says he hates discussing the motion, but what we really SHOULD be discussing INSTEAD of the motion is....... etc. He then goes on to discuss what he thinks they should be discussing, rather than the motion itself. Pitiful.
@@bernieross1241 None of those things you claim here is true. Did you not listen to the argument? He very much addressed the merits of Christianity, and very well pointed out that you can not prove or disprove God, and so belief tend to be about opinion and opinion about choice. He then went in to talk about the motivation which drives Christians and how this is different from atheist who dont WANT a God to exist, despite the fact they don't know if one does or not. He even mentioned why the atheist don't want there to be a God, and that this is about them being hypocrites and not wanting justice, because they want to keep positions of power where they can expect others to live by standards they don't live by themselves. What is pitiful is the atheist argument, their lies, hypocrisy, manipulation, injustice, low standard of morality and inability to even use dictionaries to understand the meaning of the words they use, because they are essentially trying to steal constantly and true definitions makes it hard to keep the truth out of the conversation and atheists know this.
@@bernieross1241 What is wrong with his argument? He addressed everything he needed to and backed it up with logic and reason, which is more than can be said of the opposition.
He stated clearly that he was asked to defend religion and Christianity, and he did very well. In fact he left atheism with a lot to answer which I very much doubt they can do with any evidence as support against his argument. So I should say Peter Hitchens is almost 100% sure to win the argument, even if people wont change their minds for the reasons he already mentioned.
@@bernieross1241 Hitchens were only pitiful in one thing, and that was in baring over with and pitying the atheist in the dishonesty of their position, but he also explained why he did that.
Not all atheists wish there to be no purpose, no justice, no life after death, no god. Some of us wish it very much, but cannot actually believe to be real. Maybe I am nothing more than a biological machine (I think maybe I am). I found my purpose in the raising of my children and seeing them, in their turn, raise their own. So may it continue.
But to what end. If they could live forever in eternal joy wouldn't the most loving thing you could do as a Father is see if this were the case even if it meant the death of you. Wouldn't your love be so great to expell all means to arrive at the answer? To love God is to love all men. To love thyself without God is to love no man not even thyself.
I find it very interesting that atheists are forced by their own beliefs to believe things that they KNOW to be false. Like the idea that objective right and wrong do not exist. We all KNOW they do exist which is why we get upset when someone wrongs us. 2) the idea that we are nothing but biological machines - that "I" do not really exist, but rather am deceived into thinking that "I" exist. Atheism cannot explain the existence of consciousness or our soul. 3) The idea that there is no objective meaning to our lives or to this universe. We all KNOW that it does actually matter how we live, but ultimately speaking, if there was no god, no judgment, no justice, no accountability, etc. it would not really matter in the ultimate sense. 4) the idea that design does not exist. It's extremely clear that design does exist! Francis Crick said that biologists have to continually remind themselves that things were not designed, but that they evolved. Why? Because the evidence for design is staring us in the face wherever we look and yet biologists are NOT ALLOWED to even consider design as a possible explanation for what we see. It is ruled out from the start - no matter what the evidence! Real scientific, eh? So if atheists have to violate their own beliefs and their own experience, in order to live and exist in this world, are their beliefs really trustworthy and true? When your beliefs do not match the reality of the world we live in, perhaps that should tell us something about the accuracy of our beliefs.
Atheists reject free will. Without free will, explain to us here, how anything casn then be evil. How was it evil, when atheist mao did away with 70 million people? He had no choice to do anything else than what he did? So how was he even guilty of anything?
MY GOD, I have said all of this a million times. This is exactly what GOD has put in my mind as I try to reason and it always makes me smile hearing it said in different words maybe by someone else. Materialism, atheism is a dead end….it’s not that they lack reason or evidence, is that they love their sin more than they love their GOD or anyone else other than the god in the mirror.
Nonsense. What wild presumption. What silliness. In my experience, the atheists I have known have been way more moral, ethical and thoughtful than many Christians I've known. They do the right thing because they want to do the right thing not because they are terrified god will strike them down if they don't. For me, god is just Santa for grown ups. Some kids stop believing in Santa at 6 or 7, other kids stop believing in Santa at 11 or 12. Other kids become adults, still believing in Santa but just change his name to God.
@@kaufmanat1I believe it was a reference to Hitchen’s interview with Alex O’Connor where he threw an *absolute hissy fit* over being asked “too many”questions about drugs.
@@GavTatu Yeah. One of! I found it impressive on first-watch, even though it's imperfect and could have been more concise, perhaps more polite (then again, Jesus wasn't shy when rebuking Pharisees). It excelled my expectations and surprised me with a fresher take. Really common is finding the same arguments recycled over and over, by atheists and christians alike, treading the same ground. I really appreciated him coming out and saying what's not been addressed much: If it is ultimately a judgment call because we all are finite enough to lack the complete knowledge of reality required to definitively decide... then it's a good question: Why would someone WANT a world without justice? Who PREFERS to believe a narrative about reality that makes it hellish and hopeless? The answer isn't that "well, it just is that way, it's dog-eat-dog!" because they actually DON'T know that, they just think that, and that's the lens they chose to view reality from. (Business doesn't have to be dog-eat-dog, there has been and can continue to be cooperation and collaboration instead of back-biting.) I've known atheists, and I've talked to some who knew they were parroting incoherent arguments I easily rebuked. They knew they were being illogical and irrational and were hitting their head against the unassailable wall of God's perfect Word and testimony. They make the choice to descend into that madness intentionally because, lacking faith, there is no alternative but to choose that darkness over the light of Christ shining into the heart. It's like you come to a wooden door during a fire and only if you have a hatchet in hand do you have the option to tear down the door. Same thing spiritually: Everyone's dead in trespasses and sins, but those who beleive are forgiven, and they come to the light. those who hate the light hate it for exposing the darkness in their own hearts (John 3:16-21). For instance, I spoke a few times to a Feminist who deconstructed her faith and has an obsession with always winning arguments. She literally has all the information that would be necessary to sort that truth out... if her own pride wasn't blinding her, and this was extremely evident when I was reproving her arguments and her arguments had so evidently fallen apart that her next reply was to continue her tactic of evading admission-of-folly by saying "well, you're not allowed to talk because you're a woman and the bible says so." The irony is that this absolutely strawman has only ever been used against me twice in my life, never inside of a church, and only by people who don't study scripture and happen to be trying to save-face while arguing against christianity. Save-face is a term for saying their pride is wrapped up in winning and they're resisting being humiliated by facing defeat (even if that defeat is a necessary-good and would help them to mature). It harkens to another video I found today. A guy just directly spelled out that he refuses to believe God is sovereign over what happens because he has suffered - that was his lens (he didn't want god to be responsible for evil). He wanted a God who only did good and knew nothing of sorrow (even though God ordained Christ to suffer and die). ((But without doubt killing the only innocent, sinless man who ever lived is the most evil event in history.)) The god he wanted wasn't the God described in Scripture, but his motive was never to live by the scriptures said regardless whether it served him or not... it was to find comfort. I find comfort, too, but by believing in the God who is real and gracious enough to spare my life moment to moment and forgive me with grace that far surpasses my own capacity for mercy. The truth can be comforting, genuinely so, but a comforting lie cannot be comforting because the promises of that comforting lie cannot come true. All that to say what I already said: Yeah, it was a nice video for reframing the discussion on a true point that often goes evaded.
I've read Peter Hitchens "The Rage Against God". Had not heard him speak til watching this video. Great point!! Love his humor and this address was brilliant!! Glad he's on "our side"!!
I loved listening to Peter’s Brother, both these men are giant intellectuals , I have a lot of respect for both of them . However I agree with Peter 👍🇦🇺
Has this man ever heard of humanism? A very negative view if we have to have religion to make us behave with empathy and compassion. The universe and life are fantastic - what a load of negative bleating from him.
In the atheistic, humanistic, paradigm, there is no reason to be empathetic or have compassion of any capacity other than reactive response of people around you. “You can not derive an ought from an is” as David Hume puts it. There is nothing that you can intrinsically justify as to why Hitler’s massacre of the jews were wrong. Your justification can’t just be “well, I just didn’t like it and other people didn’t either.”
Have you ever heard of Dostoevsky? Nietzche? Two who had concluded that without God, everything is possible. That pretty much says it. Without God, we got the Gulags and the Nazi death camps.
Many of these people with much prayer are going to be saved. The enemy wants to use their pride and academic foolishness to deceive others not so much themselves
There are many theists who will not appreciate Peter reducing religious and theistic beliefs to desires and make-believe. True enough, some theists and atheists are motivated by desires, emotional reasoning, cognitive biases, and so forth, but there are good, solid reasons to believe God does or does not exist that Peter seems to completely ignore (perhaps one of the other speakers was tackling that). That is to say, I for one can not take anything he said seriously, as he was projecting his own emotional reasoning onto atheists. It was a lot of nothing.
Not quite. I mean, if we are trying to get to objective truth, certainty, reality, etc... what approximates this as closely as "function." This might not be the exact reasoning of every atheist and theist, but it is partially involved in every atheist and theist position. There is no way to remove it.
I was also an atheist. A convinced atheist and an activist for materialism for almost 10 years. I am tolerant and believe that people have reasons for their beliefs. Even if, generally, they are bad reasons. In any case, I need to briefly talk about the guidelines that guide the thinking and behavior of atheists. Know that these guidelines or grounds are psychologically intensely and, in many cases, unconscious. 1. I suffer; therefore, God does not exist. 2. My human father was bad; therefore, the heavenly Father cannot be good and, therefore, does not exist. 3. I have performed or practice unjust actions. If there is a just God, I will be punished. Therefore, I refuse to accept that there is; therefore, there is not. Ever since I became a theist, in December 2012, I have wondered what the proof is of the "non-existence" of God. I also wonder if there is at least one atheist argument that is definitive or irrevocable. I suppose there is not. The truth is that no one has reasonable grounds for being an atheist or a religious person. But there are acceptable grounds for skepticism and excellent grounds for spiritualism.
Belief is not a choice. Belief is the acceptance of an alleged fact--or body of facts--as true. That which we are not convinced to be true, we do not believe! Furthermore, our "desires" have no bearing on reality. Therefore, our beliefs should be tailored to reality--not the other way around!
This is simply the argument for he utility of religion. Nihilism is real, and there's really no question about it. If you're not shocked or feel sorry for someone when bad things happen to them, your problem is a lack of empathy, not a lack of religion. Where I do agree with Peter is that letting some Christians off the chains of their rulebook is a gamble, because some of the so-called Christians I know are pretty unsavory characters who seem to be kept in check by their religion. BTW, atheism is not a choice, at least it wasn't for me, it was a conclusion I reached after many, many years of biblical study. If you are intellectually honest with yourself, then there's really no other conclusion you can reach. This is one thing about atheists that frustrates theists.
The arguments on the historicity is for others, but clearly there was no exodus from Egypt, no great flood, among other things. Some problems I found are: 1). No evidence whatsoever for god or gods. Ever. The Bible is the claim, not the proof. 2). There are many contradictions within the text. Even the gospels are contradictory on their account of the death and supposed resurrection of Jesus. 3) The Old testament reads like a really bad horror story, if you read the whole thing. The stories are complete nonsense, like talking snakes, a man being swallowed by a fish for days and surviving, and ultra violent. Pick a book and verse randomly, and you'll see. It was clearly written by ignorant people and copied from other, older, religions.. Let's just say I'm glad I'm not an Amalekite. 4) It's clearly about control, and that control is delivered down to the masses by men. Why would a god need someone here to speak for it? 5). Why would the supposed creator of the universe have such a big ego that it cares what we think and say about it? See the 1st four commandments for clarification. 6) Why would it flood the entire planet? It couldn't figure out a better solution? 7) Why would it kill its son? Again, it couldn't come up with a better solution? These are just a few problems and the list goes on and on. It was clearly written by people looking for ways to control other people and used stories as a method to that end. When looking at it with a modern eye, it just doesn't hold up to any skepticism.
@@Pyr0BenSo I'm not sure what happened, but my reply never posted and instead of typing it all again, I'll just summarize. 1) The Bible is not a historical document: The Exodus and Great Flood(clearly copied from the Epic of Gilgamesh) are a couple of examples from the Old Testament that never happened. There are many, many more. The gospels and new testament also contain errors and are contradictory. The gospels don't even agree on details surrounding the resurrection. 3). The supposed moral code in the Bible is horrific. Let's just say I'm glad I'm not an Amalekite. Rape and slavery are actually condoned in the old testament and Jesus clarifies that those laws are still in place in the new testament. 4) Both the old and new were clearly written by ignorant people who didn't understand where the sun went at night. Just look at the creation stories as examples. 5) The current versions of the Bible are cobbled together by men who want to control people. That seems very clear to me and is documented when the Nicae council, among others, was held. You do know there multiple versions of the Bible with different numbers of books, right? Why would a god, for which there is no objective evidence mind you, need humans to speak for it? I had several other reasons identified in my original response, and I'm not sure why that didn't post, but here we are. I would encourage you to read the Bible cover to cover and don't skip any books, chapters or verses, however distasteful they may be, then tell me that the supposed creator of the universe wrote those books. Once you have seen the absurdity of religion, it's impossible to unsee.
If you were a nihilist you would sh believe in morality of any kind. And if you're an atheist, then you should be a nihilist. Now be a good nihilist and stop promoting your beliefs.
Godel's incompleteness theorem can be stated as, "in any non-trivial mathematical system, there are true statements that cannot be proven within that system." I believe God created mathematics with this principle so that we could not prove His existence, and that we can only approach Him through faith.
It seems necessary to journey towards God willingly. Even if one discovers Truth, the inability to quantify something that transcends spacetime into a map of the territory that can then be shared in a PDF for others to have an Aha! moment would negate the need for willingness to know God for yourself. The intellect of the most unwilling likely would find a way to reject the map anyways. I presume most disbelievers even if presented with incontrovertible evidence would still choose not to worship God not because its intellectually unsound but because of a restriction in their metaphysical hearts. That knot will not be untied with quantity and measurement. It will take sincere personal introspection.
Even if we don't want it our actions and our lives have an eternal significance in the future of the world, by having children and on how we behave in this world. That alone is a lot
@@AspiringChristian Your link is to a different video. What was the evidence that convinced this lady? It kind of sounded like, we have a sense of morality, so therefore the god of the Bible must be true. I don't understand the reasoning here. Can you explain it to me?
Thank you for the video. I am answering three questions for now. I can answer more questions raised in this video when I have the time if you point to the timestamp where it was asked. 2:52 Why would you want there not to be a god? -- That's incorrect, it would be good to have god(s) who are fair to everyone, irrespective of their Religion, sect, gender, language, race, or social standing. If god(s) exist, they exist, if they don't they don't. However, until evidence is presented of their existence, I wouldn't believe in their existence. The claims made about the claims about claims made by goat herders several centuries ago don't count as evidence of the supernatural. 2:59 Why do you want to live in a world in which none of your actions have any significance? -- That's not true. My actions have significance, irrespective of whether there are god(s) or not. Do you disagree? Here's an example -- Lend me $50000 without a legal clause, and if I am honest, you'll get back your money with interest. If I am dishonest, you'll lose your hard-earned money. Irrespective of whether god exists or not, my honesty will have a consequence, at least to you. But wait, if I don't return your money and 30 years later accept Jesus in my heart, I will be saved and I'll go to heaven, right? So if your dogma is true, then my actions won't have any significance as long as I perform that one action - accepting Jesus before I expire. 3:23 They don't want justice. -- Wait, what? It's actually the opposite. You tell me, can't a criminal with several acts of homicide be saved by accepting Jesus? If yes, then (s)he gets mercy. Where's the justice for all their victims? Instead, if I know that this is the only life my family, friends, and I have, I'll try my best to make this world as good as I can.
You claim there is no evidence for the existence of the biblical God, but then refuse to entertain the OT, which has a sophisticated law code, as being evidence. Isn't that gaming the system? 'Accepting Jesus' to avoid the consequences of your moral failures is something of a caricature (though I can understand it given some wishy-washy churches). In your example someone who has defrauded another is obligated to make restitution as far as possible for his sin. It's what repentance involves. A complete change of heart. Your point about the seeming injustice of a murderer being let off but not his victims illustrates Peter's point: if atheism is true both perpetrator and victims die and cease to exist, so why get so bothered about it? I might add that death bed conversions almost never happen. A lifetime of indifference to God and his moral law harden the human heart.
I notice you change a god to "gods". Interesting why you would do that. But at least you answered Peter's question even though you called his question incorrect and then answered why YOU don't want a god, especially not the God of the Bible who is actually god. You want fairies of some sort that serve you and your desires. What about when the desires and opinion of humans are in conflict? Which side should the fairies support in your opinion? What if some of the fairies (demons) support the rapist and some support the rapee? Can you point to a single goat-herder that wrote the Bible? You have made it obvious you engage disingenuously with the idea of God. Peter is obviously not arguing for "gods". He is building an argument for the God of the Bible. As for evidence, you know God exists because you have the evidence of creation and your own conscience. You are choosing to reject God to cover for your own sins, which is what Peter was hinting at. You don't want justice. you want sinful freedom. And I notice you mention homicide. But what about your sins? Do you want justice to be meted for YOUR sins? What about your lies? Have you ever stolen? What about blaspheming God's name? What about lust and hatred and greed and envy? What you don't understand about the death of Jesus is that He took the payment (punishment) for your sin and offers that to you as a gift. Imagine you are standing in a court room and found guilty of crimes that deserve a punishment you can never pay. You are headed for jail. But someone offers to pay your fine. Jesus is offering that to you. If you don't, you head to God's jail to pay for it youself, and it will take all eternity because your sins are against God. At the cross, God's justice is satisfied but He also extends mercy and grace and love. You can reject that and God will justly condemn you to the Lake of Fire for eternity, but that's your choice.
@@GrahameChristianGould 1) I used "God(s)" because there is no evidence of any god, so if they exist, there could be one or multiple gods. Most of the complex machines we see, from watches to cars, are manufactured by a group of people, so there's a good chance that if the universe is a creation, there is a committee of creators, instead of one entity. 2) I don't know where you got the concept of fairies in my answer. I used the word "fair" not "fairies". I hope that there are god(s) who are more fair and virtuous than the god you just talked about in your comment. I can explain why the god from your example isn't ethical but TH-cam usually takes down such comments.
Your last sentence exposes how utterly vulnerable you are. Your standard of good is not enough. Everyone needs a spiritual saviour which is Jesus Christ. I guess that you think because you don't agree with some of God's standards or commandments, because in your view they aren't fair. Or, like most athiest, you've never looked into it seriously, and you're just searching for confirmation bias to support your already made-up mind. It's your eternity.
I feel so sorry for Peter. He watched his poor stubborn brother talk his way into hell all because he couldn't get over his own ego long enough to look at Christianity with anything other than contempt.
I’d say he comes across in similar fashion to his brother Christopher. Not quite my style, but I also find him engaging and it’s a good apologetic. There’s 32 other atheist converts to Christianity featured in a playlist on my channel. I believe you’ll find most of them less pompous. :)
I thought that about his brother, Christopher. I can see why you might see that. What about Richard Dawkins? What about Sam Harris or Bill Maher or Peter Atkinson? Those guys take pompous to an Olympic level.
I've asked people before this question. " What would you rather be true? That there be a good God? or no God?" Some have stated quite emphatically that they would rather have no God rather than a good God. Why? False pride and a desire for zero accountability. Be careful what you wish for because you will get it. And separation from God is no joke.
I definitely would not want the god of the old testament to be true. That character was a nasty, irrational, jealous, spiteful piece of work. No thank you! If he were true every country would be like Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan.
You say "a good god or no God" like thats what we have. What we are presented with is the abrahamic God that is most definitely not good, but rather an all-powerful, omniscient being that could do anything at any time to reveal himself to the world and right all of the wrongs that he's spoke into existence, but he chooses not to for the theater. And the only way to be considered one of his good little boys is to just believe, otherwise you burn. I'd rather have no God than such a petulant child ruling over everything.
@@figgleston Petulant lol. He has given you everything. Remember your false pride creature . Satan has you firmly in his grasp I will pray for your childish petulance to be forgiven. God sees what you do in the still of the night fool. God allows evil because he allows you. Repent of the sins you have committed , God has them well documented.
@@Snhojbar I didn't say the God of the old testament.....I said a Good God period! What would you rather have? A good God who is perfection itself or no God. Its a hypothetical . If you would rather have no God over a !00% good God your pride is at a very demonic level. The problem with most self righteous sinners is that they don't even want a perfect God because that God will still hold you accountable on judgement day.
There is a difference between just believing God exists - an intellectual opinion as Peter Hitchens put forward - and I agreed with what he said. Do away with God and society becomes chaos and falls apart. As we see it is doing right now as people disregard God more and more. But this is just standing up for Godly principles and laws. It does not make one a Christian! It is trusting the Gospel of God - believing in Jesus Christ as Saviour - that makes one a Christian. Totally different to just agreeing that Christian values and morals are worthwhile defending and living by. Jesus said : “You must be born again or you will not see the Kingdom of God…” You will not be saved, you will not have your sins forgiven, you will not have eternal life … Personal trust or faith must be placed in Jesus Christ - and this can only happen by God’s Grace one one’s life. K
The only thing I can say that has calmed my nerves is that when I was a child, my next door neighbor and school friend and I were riding our bikes down the hill in his backyard, where there was a large Boulder slightly sticking out of the hill that I hit with my front bike tire, toppling over my handlebars, flying and getting knocked unconscious for a bit, having what I believe was an out of body experience at that time, seeing my body on the ground, from a third person perspective, also seeing my ghost, soul, whatever you'd call it, leaving my body, then, being drawn vertically into space, almost exactly what you'd see on star trek, blasting through space with stars whizzing by in about 1 second, then arriving at what I thought was heaven, very bright, blindingly white light I couldn't see beyond and having to slightly turn my head, then remember being beamed back down into my body again, crying, hurt, but okay and alive. In talking with others, they say that I apparently died and was told it was not yet my time. Following this incident, it was later attributed in school to my attention deficit disorder by the hard impact to my head. I cannot say God is real or not, but this and a few other experiences in my life have served to comfort me in the belief that it is very possible, as I used to be scared of death as a child but now have the belief that he is real, and, I'd rather trust in the belief he exists, than to deny it and be wrong and face the consequences of eternal damnation.
I hindsight, it seems countries that are predominantly Christian, life and society live in peace and harmony. Man cares for fellow man, and generally, life is a gift. On the other hand, those countries that have a Christian minority, and majority Islamic, Hindu, Buddist or Athiest, where there is no love for Christ Our God and Saviour, and also little to no care for their fellow man, these countries are war torn and 3rd world. I truly believe that if these nations found Christ, their whole world would change for the good. 🙏
Sweden, Denmark, Norway, and Japan are some of the most peaceful countries in the world with agnostic and atheists being in the majority. There are other countries, but these are the ones that I instantly remembered as I read your post.
@@Isi-uT "predominantly Christian" is not the same as "Christian majority". Sweden, Denmark and Norway have an extensive Christian (Protestant) history and still have a Christian ethos. Japan is a very unusual example and out of the norm. It is hard to explain. But it is much harder for you to explain the overwhelming number of counter-examples.
@@servantofjesuschrist-tb8nsI will like to know what you think is the difference between predominantly Christian and Christian majority in the context of this discussion. I see both phrases as conveying the same meaning that Christianity is the most common religion in the country, with 'predominantly' emphasizing a stronger influence of Christianity. I see your claim that the European countries I mentioned have a Christian ethos as the common attempt by Christianity to hijack morality. Most surviving societies have moral codes because adherence to norms that promote cooperation, compassion, honesty etc within the society played an integral role in their survival. Japan is just the most obvious example of how a society can evolve morally without a significant influence from Christianity. And one exception is enough to show that morality and the stability it brings to a society is not dependent on Christianity.
@@Isi-uT As I already said ""predominantly Christian" is not the same as "Christian majority". Sweden, Denmark and Norway have an extensive Christian (Protestant) history and still have a Christian ethos." Let me explain further since that was not sufficient for you to understand. Sweden, Denmark and Norway have centuries of Biblical influence from Christianity that affected their laws and culture and continues to do so today. And 59.6% in Sweden claimed to Christian in 2021, so you didn't even get that right. Norway, 75.6% in 2019. In 2021, over 60% just in one Christian denomination. Denmark, 71.2% in just one Christian denomination in 2024. I don't appreciate being lied to. But even if less than 50% claimed to be Christian, that would still not mean that the majority are agnostic/atheist. But let's leave your lies on that topic to the side and return to "predominantly Christian" meaning "predominantly influenced by Christianity as a historical and cultural fact. That's the case for those three countries independent of how many claim to be Christian. Now on to Japan. You have made a number of errors in logic here, which is not surprising given what a brazen liar you are. Firstly, no-one claimed "predominantly Christian" is the only thing that can cause a peaceful country as you have strawmanned our position. What was claimed is "it seems countries that are predominantly Christian, life and society live in peace and harmony." That's quite different than "morality and the stability it brings to a society is not dependent on Christianity" which is to reverse the order of the claim. But not a surprise you can't accurately investigate the claim when you can't even accurately report facts. Secondly, you asserted that Japan was "without a significant influence from Christianity". I think that is far from being true. There was a significant Christian presence in Japan for decades or even centuries after it was discovered by Europeans. And while few converted to Christianity, there was still an influence that they were aware of. They rejected it not just individually but nationally when they turned to a new form of fascistic Emperor worship in the lead up to and during WWII. But at the end of that war again had a significant influence from Christianity when the US (especially Douglas MacArthur) urged forgiveness of the Japanese nation (as the Allies did of Germany and Italy and their allies) while imposing a Christian standard of morality in their new constitution. Whilst Japan has never been Christian in the sense of most Japanese at least claiming to be Christian, that's still a major Christian influence and I challenge you to explain how the attitude of the Japanese changed so dramatically form before WWII to after. I can't prove Christianity is the reason but neither can you assert it was not without looking arrogant and foolish. As to "Most surviving societies have moral codes because adherence to norms that promote cooperation, compassion, honesty etc within the society played an integral role in their survival." That is generally true, but most societies DON'T survive precisely because it is not easy or natural for people to do this and it is easier if the country is Christian. So you are making my point for me. Since you don't care about truth or integrity, I doubt I will speak to you again.
If you don’t see God via observations in life, in nature, in intelligent balance and in science, you either seek the Devil or are too far under his influence. The perfect formula: God via Jesus Christ. G=>JC.
From my experience, atheists choose not to obey God because they do not want to be told how to live their lives; they do not want to obey a deity; they want to be god over themselves. When you do not believe in God, you can live as you like and never have to apologize, ask for forgiveness or feel bad. It's a lovely, selfish and unencumbered existence. In truth, everything has been predetermined in the divine and eternal realm and in this earthly and temporal realm, every person has the free will to do as they like but they are responsible for the outcomes of their free will decisions. Not only is this biblical, but it is logical and rational.
We have The Shroud of Turin, Veronica’s Veil, various landmarks where Jesus was born, traveled, The Upper Room where He held The Last Supper, appeared to His apostles after He resurrected. We have His One True Apostolic Catholic Church He established in 33AD, His Popes and Priests that are direct successors of His apostles, His Doctrine, Sacraments, Teachings and Holy Bible He established in His Church. We have Him in The Holy Eucharist at every Catholic Mass. I’ve personally witnessed too many unbelievable miracles to even doubt for a second that God exists. He is alive and will return soon!
@@choosejesus1910 Amen! I have a miracle to share- My sister at 18 months old, fell waist deep in fire ants, went into anaphylactic shock, slipped into a 6 week coma. During the 6 weeks she was completely unresponsive & Specialists said she would die or be vegetative for life. Our Msgr came to bless her with The True Cross (Splinter of Jesus’ Cross encased). He said some prayers, placed The Cross on her chest,as soon as The Cross touched her skin, she immediately shot straight up, turned on her side and laid down. She woke up an hour later. Mk5:41 She’s had a few issues, but lives a normal life, college, children, grandchildren, etc. My dad converted to Catholic afterwards as he knew The Catholic Church is the only one established by Jesus Christ & he wanted to be a part of Gods Kingdom. He said you can’t argue with what you see. My parents thought they were being punished for whatever, but God knew it would take my dad witnessing this miracle to want to convert to His One True Apostolic Catholic Church. God has a reason for everything!
The papacy is indeed very corrupt and is not the one true apostolic Church. I love my roman catholics but you should know that papacy has darker side to it.
@@brookalakin False! There’s a lot of misinformation being pushed by the left concerning the Papacy that our God and Savior Jesus Christ established. You can find the correct information on the official website of The Vatican, The Holy See. If you’re Catholic, you should know we’re not supposed to criticize our Clergy, we’re to obey and pray for them as they face greater trials because of who they are. Heb 13:7, 13:17-18
For anybody wanting to learn how to go to heaven (for free) there is a great playlist with the gospel in many languages - th-cam.com/play/PLrT4sAajASLXb9LjdvAVqid7zfWG078N3.html Romans 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
What are the fruits of a godless society? 2 Timothy 3: 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God
I wonder if Peter had these types of discussions with his Atheist brother before he died? Do you think he plead with him to believe in the face of reasonableness and Truth?
I feel like he’s more concerned for other people to be Christians for the sake of their influence on providing a comfortable society to live in, rather than concern for the truth or the salvation of individuals. Like he wants society to adhere to God as a concept, or social construct, such as how we all agree to live according to the idea that bits of printed paper have value and hence, voila, that makes it so- at least enough for society to function as it has been.
Christ is King! This is the 33rd Atheism to Christianity video. All are in a convenient playlist featured on my channel page. The original source is ALWAYS linked in brackets as the first link in the description.
Commentary at the end is my own.
Peter Hitchens is notably the brother of late Christopher Hitchens.
I do apologize for the brief interruption in the video (I intended for the audio to be present during that section, but I goofed!)
@@AspiringChristian Keep up the good work and have my sub. I think if I follow your channel, I'll get plenty of opportunities to have genuine discussions with people who need to be challenged in their atheistic faith as much as I need to be challenged in my Christian faith. It is good for all of us. There will be those who resort to base insults and character assassination rather than actual debate, but if it reaches even one heart, changes even one mind, saves even one soul, then it's all worth it.
Thank you for posting this ! What joy fills my heart too hear Peter Hitchens speach . Amen Lord Jesus is King ✝️🙏 Bless you and this channel too Gods Glory
Christ is not a mere king, Christ is the Lord and saviour of all of mankind! Sure, Jesus is also the King of kings, meaning, even kings have to bow in grace to Jesus, but Jesus Himself is no mere king. God bless you!
And I hope Christopher Hitchens, in his heart, knew Jesus died for his sins, for him to be saved. I hope so. God bless his soul.
Free will is not from the Bible.
@@TudorGeorgescuNL Of course not. Free will is from God, as is the Bible.
Thank you, Aspiring Christian - and well said, to Peter Hitchens, having been an atheist, he is well able to expose them.
6:40 Richard Dawkins recently said that he much prefers living in a Christian society than any other, which proves your point
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It doesn't prove anything.
a 'christian society' seems quite benign, so yeah, i'd go with that.
Yes, I listened to a video where Dawkins said what he did. It was such a different spin on things. I am glad to hear him say that and found it refreshing. I pray that Richard comes around fully to a saving faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
@@michaelbuick6995 How say thou>
Wow, Hitchens brought up an outstanding point, that came from his gut; a deep and profound one at that. The opposition wants to take God out of the picture. He said that God is the only One that stands in their way.
well, how can we take god out of the picture, when we don't even know how to put god into the picture to begin with. and which god? if things can be explained without a god, then is that god's fault?
personally, i think it's just science helping humans grow and learn. if god wants to come on down and show himself, like all the god(s) used to 2000+ years ago, they are more than welcome. until then, personally, i think it's all just a story made up to help humans feel better about their place in the universe.
I can relate to Peter. I was agnostic and an avid admirer of his brother Christopher and Professor Dawkins for 13 years. Im a 36 yr. old male nurse. After becoming wiser with age, working my career in nursing, becoming more knowledgable about science, which also humbled me with the realization I knew very little about the universe, all that collectively drove me to read the New Testament for myself, study the history of the scriptures, and I eventually gave my life to Christ. I now see the atheist arguments that I once held in high esteem from a much different perspective. Their arguments sound empty, meaningless, purposeless, and frankly ignorant. Many atheists fake being knowledgable about the Bible and science. They memorize high profile atheist quips, things theyve heard on youtube, and pass them off as their own, and in my experience with debating them in live video chats, they ended up having a very shallow knowledge about Christianity and science frankly. Its evidence that they accept atheism on faith because their knowledge is often times very superficial and they accept basic tenants of atheism on trust from the authority figures they admire. My coming to Christ was in no way faith-based as atheists would believe. It was based on extensive historical research. My beliefs are so evidence based I would feel comfortable debating anyone on the topic. As the scripture say always be ready to defend Christ with a knowledgeable mind and humble spirit.
@@grayhalf1854 I'm not talking to matt, I'm talking to you. Why you running off to get your big brother? You replied to my comment, not Matt.
@@grayhalf1854 Matt Dillahunty was your go to expert?😂🤣 that guy is a joke
@@grayhalf1854 he raged quit just the other month against a Christian.
@@grayhalf1854 youre scared to debate me. You called me out and when i replied you called your big brother Matt😂
@@grayhalf1854 since you dont feel knowledgeable enough to debate me, if you can get a celebrity debater, Matt, with millions of followers to debate a nurse in the comments section, you let me know and ill be there. Go get your big brothet Matt and ill debate him. Youve proved my point that most atheists dont know squat about the topic. They just quote some famous atheist because they cant personally stand on their own intellect
Remember Peter so ardently refuting the gospel. This does my heart well. So grateful he said yes and that he is offering his immense intellect and wit to advance the Kingdom of God.
What might justice look like for me to stand before the holy God? What might justice look like for you? Even so, out of His immense kindness and love, he sent his son to suffer and die, for my sins, and for your sins. Don’t think you have any. Ouch? Just a wonder what you thought of me just reading this? Instead of justice we get grace and mercy. Why, because I’m such a good guy? It is the opposite. When I was his enemy, he still died for me. Makes no sense, to we puny humans who demand justice over every small offense. He deserved the greatest respect, and I spat in His face. Now, He calls me his own, an adopted son, His friend. Insane, and beyond lovely.
I think you are thinking of Christopher, his brother, who has deceased. I don't remember Peter ever refuting the gospel. He did used to disbelieve it but was quite unknown at the time.
@@servantofjesuschrist-tb8ns No wonder they look alike and his voice sounded familiar.
“A number of people who are in the end servants of power are… quite anxious to dispel enormous force of restraint on power which Christian belief provides!”
Brilliant! An accurate assessment.
Yes indeed. I thought so as well.
So topical.
How Glorious is this! I thought this was click bait because we all know his brother Christopher. Praise the Lord. Christ is King! ✝️
So you assert Triggered.
@@jimvanlint8043
assert
/əˈsəːt/
verb
state a fact or belief confidently and forcefully.
Which one?
1. That it's glorious,
2. I thought this was click bait,
3. We all know Christopher Hitchings,
4. Christ is King.
Not only are you vague with your comment, so I don't know what you are talking about, but also, you became a hypocrite to do it.
Did my name trigger you?😂
Stay Triggered! 👍
@TheTriggeredChristian I'm not triggered at all by you. You are loved. You are valued. You are cared for. So come to Christ. I was delivered from so much by Jesus. I now feel peace and joy that is the best. Unnatural. You can experience it as well. You just accept Jesus. Put your genuine faith in him. All worry, anxiety, depression, delusion, obsession, and more left me. Any problems you have can be fixed by Jesus. Come to know Jesus my friend. God bless ❤️✝️
You're following Paul not Jesus. You should say Paul is king.
@MichelleDavis-xk8rc Jesus said he would leave us with the Spirit of truth. The Holy Spirit. I follow Jesus. Paul met Jesus. Actually, he was blinded by him. That's in Acts 9. Paul also never contradicts what Jesus taught. If you have a verse in mind, I would love to see it. Paul was specifically chosen, directly by Jesus, to spread his name among people. That's Acts 9:15-16. If you don't believe what the one Jesus sent said, in light that nothing he said contradicts Jesus, I don't know what to tell you. I do want to ask, though, where do you think you will go when you die and why? Much love ❤️✝️
Eloquent and profound. These brothers possess high IQ and keen intellect.. amazing to see how one brother used his intellectual gifts from God, and how the equally brilliant brother used his.
Jesus says the path is narrow and not popular. If that's not prophetic then I don't know what is.
That is definitely not prophetic 😂
@@jeffdoyle1227 You will one day find out the truth.
I’ll go with the latter.
You don’t know what is.
@jogendron6320 I don't know what you are referring to.
@user-zf8yl1fq7g So will you I suppose
It still cracks me up that he is Christopher Hitchens brother.
It's funny that people deride Peter for being haughty and self righteous. Christopher was the king of solipsistic bloviation but was beloved as "clever" because he was an Atheist.
You gotta remember back in the day it was pretty much Dawkins and Chris Hitchens defending atheism, may his soul rest in peace. As snide and cruel as the fellow was, he was at the very least consistent.
@@plaidpunk Christopher Hitchens on his deathbed verbally doubted his life long held atheism. If he was consistent he wouldn't have done that.
In any case, I hope his soul is with Jesus. I always liked Christopher Hitchens, even when I disagreed with him.
@@S.D.323 When death comes near,atheists often start thinking otherwise....out of fear probably. Atheism is an arrogant attitude of self-centered know it alls. We don't know anything for sure. Really intelligent people know and acknowledge that. Atheism is self-serving only.
There was nothing clever about the man. His argumentation was a circle-jerk of logical fallacy. People will accept anything they want to believe without question, including the pontificating bloviation of one Christopher Hitchens.
@@twrecks6279 I doubt Christopher Hitchens would want his soul to be with Jesus, more likely consider himself to be in hell
I didn't know Christopher Hitchens had a brother who looked so much the same and was an Atheist, but now defending Christianity! I wonder what his brother would say if he was still alive
I believe they've debated the subject publicly
@@neilgamble1484 Found wanting compared to his brother Christopher who was married and divorced 3 times, who had to regulate his moods with alcohol and smoking, the later of which was probably the cause of the cancer that killed him. In the long run, it doesn't seem as if it was Peter who was found wanting.
@@neilgamble1484you spelt Christopher wrong…
They debated each other.
quite the coincidence he chose the christian religion.
God is the first 5D chess player. Atheism's rise to prominence forced many believers to actually examine their beliefs.
Amen. I also was once blind, but now I see.
My favorite thing about atheism is that it has provided me the opportunity to sharpen my skills in defense of the faith. That is why I come to the comments looking for debate.
As a Christian, I find myself actively seeking to be proven wrong. Why keep a faith that is obviously false? I want people to challenge me. I want to face down the hard questions. I want to be forced to actually think, to apply logic and reason to a faith I know I can never definitively prove. And maybe, just maybe, I can get an atheist or agnostic to do the same. It is my genuine belief that nearly all of them simply lack exposure to the material.
@@jordancarmack584 Because true faithful have arrived seeking Truth, not necessarily God, and have found those are one and the same.
Atheists are so reviled by the idea of God that they shun the possibility that one proclaiming God can has arrived to this by seeking truth. Peter H., I think, has hit the nail on the head. They do not want there to be God because they want to keep their "everything is permissible" lifestyle. It's an emotional knee-jerk reaction of an intellectually feeble mind. They hope against hope that, if everyone purports to agree with them, they will finally stop feeling terrible about themselves.
@@Lothnar5070 Now, I'm no scholar, so I may be wrong, but isn't the entire point of debate to convince the other party of the merit of your position? After all, a true fact cannot be debated as it has already been irrefutably proven. It is not a waste of time for me to try to persuade someone that God exists and that there is more to our existence than just this life.
Also, it is erroneous to suggest that I have no evidence. My evidence is entropy, a universal law, accepted by all scientists, that makes it impossible for anything that we know to exist as it does by accident. The universe tends toward chaos, not order and toward death, not life. Some thing, acting deliberately, had to create everything and to set everything in motion. There is literally no other explanation offered by anyone, anywhere. The only question is what or who? That it was my God is the only part I can't prove, but I can certainly provide evidence that there is an intelligent Creator.
@@Lothnar5070 No evidence? 🤣 My guy the gospels themselves provide evidence of the apostles meeting the risen Jesus and not to mention paul's conversion of Christian slayer to a follwer of christ.
I KNOW God exists because after I gave my heart to Christ, I had a born again experience. The Holy Spirit swooped into my body and almost scared me to death but He immediately revealed Himself to me. In all the years that I had Christians for friends, nobody had explained what born again meant. I had no idea that the Holy Spirit comes to indwell the believer. So no argument can convince me that God is a mere belief. I’m definitely “a new creation in Christ Jesus (2 Corinthians 5:17),” a much different and kinder person than I was before my conversion.
This is *awesome!!*
Thank you for sharing your story!
Welcome to the Family!!
I have had the The same experience The Baptism in THE HOLY SPIRIT ~ Awesome! ✝️🩸🕊️👑
@@P.H.888 God is so GOOD to us!!
Others have had the same experience with other belief systems as well. This isn't unique to Christianity. If you're happy, good.
If there is no God, nothing matters.
Also, there is cases such as the cases measured by the C.U.R.E.D. principle, formulated by Lambertini to explain away too, incurable, riversable ailments being reversed through prayers to nothing, a more absure declaration is unfathomable. Not to mention that even if you throw away the data and a 100 000 more come back with similar reports backed by testamonie from medical profesionals and observers.
One might 'bla bla bla' your way around it, till you hit a wall of data so tall you have but little choice to swallow your pride and take the intellectual's route, to accept that there is no running from this. For what copacity does nothing have to do something, let alone something remotely organized. It stands no chance.😂
Matter and energy cannot be created nor destroyed, therefore no matter nor energy would’ve existed to do the causing. Consequently, whatever did cause the universe to exist, would need to be immaterial and exist beyond time and space! Genesis 1: 1 God creates time space and matter!
The KILLER is, Entropy! Entropy is somewhat opposite of evolution and why did this come into the universe if everything’s getting better? Genesis 2:17 says death came into the universe through the first sin!
First two chapters of the Bible not the 500th chapter or the thousandth chapter; explain what evolutionists have not explained; and no other worldview EXPLAINS ENTROPY -The 2nd LAW AT ALL, let alone the first law of thermodynamics!
So the Bible explains how matter, space, time, entropy, and energy get here; Right out the gate!
DNA does not auto encrypt, it did not write itself the code writer is outside of the code. 3300 billion lines of computer code in 1 humans DNA genome, would fill the Grand Canyon 50 times of Books, let alone plant and animal DNA and it did not write itself! One person‘s DNA could stretch to the sun and back 61 times! Psalm 139:16 “in my members you have written many books“.
John 21:25 “I suppose everything Jesus did the world will not have enough room for the Books, telling of it“!
God made matter and energy, a.k.a., the first law of thermodynamics and DNA, pointing to himself; pointing to an outside source beyond the realm of the universe; that these things were made there!
Job 38:35 “were you there when I created the lightnings and they say ‘here we are!”’ This is God talking to Job!
3300 years later, James Maxwell discovers that light rays and electricity are two forms of the same thing!
The Bible Predicted telecommunications
Great comment.
DNA is especially compelling. Assuming their theories true, Abiogenesis making the first living single cell organism. That single call organism is even more complex when you consider the DNA code which it would have necessarily had. How could the code instantly appear without a programmer?
@@MagnusMarcellus if you serve God, you go to heaven, but if you don’t, your afterlife, Will be in hell forever, where you’re in flaming fire continuously!
@@MagnusMarcellusIf there is a God, everything matters, because if we have disobeyed His law and ignored His warnings to repent, to change our ways and trust in His son, then we’re in big trouble once we meet Him face to face. We don’t deserve heaven, and if we went there, heaven would turn into this current earth, full of murders and haters. It’s only by having our nature changed by Jesus Christ that we can be let into His house, because He knows who we are; His children.
The Hitchens household must have been wild when they were growing up.
Bet they were both annoying little gits
Don't think they were in their household much. I believe they both went to boarding schools (their father was quite high up in the royal navy).
I'm not sure how you could argue against his point, having been an athiest himself and being the brother of Christopher Hitchens. His perspective is unique and I agree with his conclusion. Athiests simply do not want there to be any authority or consequence beyond themselves.
As an atheist I can say that it's true. Because I don't want to be a slave, I don't want to have a master-overlord who tells me what to do with my life. I don't want such tyranny to rule over me, I want freedom to be whoever I want to be. I want to be grown up adult who takes responsibility for their own actions, I don't want to blame someone else for my actions, nor do I want to be guilty for someone else's actions. I don't want someone else to sacrifice themselves for my sake. I want absolute authority in my own life, because my life is the most important thing in my life. There is nothing more important in life than your own self and your own well-being, so there simply cannot be someone else outside of myself that can say to me that it's not so.
Can't you say the same, why would you want to relinquish authority when it comes to your decisions and your well-being to someone else who is not you, who doesn't have your best in mind 100% of time simply because they are someone else with their own motives, plans, wants and needs? For example, if you're a Christian, do you know for sure that you really know your God Yahweh 100% or is there some part of him that you do not know or understand? If you don't understand your God's motives 100%, then you can't possibly trust that your God Yahweh has your best in mind 100%.
@@itsJPhere You've said quite a bit. I can't fully respond to it in a TH-cam comment. There are layers to what you believe that are deeply personal and, very sadly, I cannot dig through those in this format effectively.
I will say this, I am no slave nor does God or Christ ever expect or want me to be. Islam has that belief. Christianity does not. I have absolute freedom. I choose to follow Christ. No preacher forces me to or brainwashed me to do so. That concept is a lie created long before you and I existed.
As for knowing God 100%, I would say two things. First, look at the people around you. If you think you know them 100%, you're incorrect. You can't know everything about them because you aren't them. We all have secrets. Second, I have all of creation and all of existance and scripture (which I believe to be supported in large part by the sciences and historical record) and my own life experience as both a non-believer and a Christian that tells me as much about Him as would ever need to know. My life experience is enough for me to trust in Him.
Finally, your concerns seem very much based on a strong fear of losing control of your life. Within that you seem to express the slim possibility of God's existance and that, if you believed in Him, you somehow lose that control. Every bit of sciencetific understanding we have about the universe, the planet and the existance of life on it tells us that it's all balanced on a razors edge. One tiny change and it never exists. One tiny change and it all goes away. And yet it doesn't. If we indulge for a moment, in light of this understanding, that small sliver you may have that God does exist then it's a likely hypothesis that God is the force holding it all together. If that's the case, then it's even more miraculous that a single human being would have the ability to deny that God's existance? Does that God seem like a slave master to you?
I do want to say one more thing. You said you don't want someone to sacrifice anything for you. People do that daily in more ways than you or I can see.
@@itsJPhereyet HE Willingly went to The Cross ✝️🩸
HE sent THE HOLY SPIRIT
Yes HE is very trustworthy!
You came from 1 sperm entering 1 egg
You are desperate to hold on to what you have all you can perceive about yourself.
Born Again ~ The Eternal Spirit enters you!
You have nothing to lose but everything to gain ~ by asking The Eternal Spirit ~ God to come into your life!
Like the sperm & The egg we are a half life!
Together they become something else
But
We need The Eternal Spirit
To connect within so we can become A Brand New Creation! That will not die at physical death!
JESUS CHRIST IS LORD ✝️🩸🕊️
I love your honesty.
Eventually, you will find truth
I can easily refute it: ad hominem fallacy.
I can do it in reverse: theists can't find a reason to live. They need to delude themselves with comforting lies.
I think that's true, at least for many theists, but I don't use that as an argument.
He speak so well and defends christinity very well.
Because Christianity defends mankind very well, from people who are quite willing to equate human beings with machines who can be engaged at the will of lies, made to sound like the truth; the next best thing to sliced bread. The utopian kind, which speaking of numbers, in terms of how long it will take, if ever, for their "bread " to materialize, they are willing to simply reckon the cost as just so many generations of people whose lives will be turned into complete and utter, desperation and ruin, and waste.
But that is just breakage or collateral damage demanded by "enlightened progress" which is pushed out as the only way to save man from his backwardness and the planet that is now doomed to self destruct because of "man's ( to keep it vague), whatever inadequacies can fill the bill of fare, to best exploit conditions of chaos, confusion, and incompetence that are the real breeding ground for alienation and demoralization,,, from which, they must now deliver us!!! So what if millions will die through the "grace" of our favouring ( they hope) more of this wooly woke-d.i.e. "progressive" propaganda.
Afterall, they can claim it as our choice.
Many people deny God because they don't want to be answerable to him.
This is SO very interesting. That a lifelong, intellectual and genius like Hitchens should at any point come to terms with, “there is a God” is amazing!
@@attackhelicopter-up3dh It tells me that IQ isn’t necessarily a factor.
The point of having all the fringe benefits of Christianity whilst denying the power thereof rings true. Every atheist wants a great, comfortable, carefree life, but are annoyed by the fact every stable place they lay their hat is marked, JESUS WAZ HERE.
Jesus was here and Jesus is here! 🎉🎉🎉
Our lives mainly benefit from the eachievement of enligthenment, industrialisation and education.
No cult needed....
@@RoninTF2011 enlightenment, industrialization and education; ALL fruits from the intelligent minds of believers.
Nice comment. Love it. Jesus waz here.
Dawkins literally said he would rather live in a morally Christian society than Islam for exactly this reason
Brilliant speech by Peter Hitchens - what a destruction of the devil's lies.
Every knee WILL bow!
Every tongue WILL confess!
Oh, the joy and glory of that coming event!!
what about the god given free will to not bow ?
God calls insividuals, not families.
Good on Peter Hitchens.
@@jerrylong6238Why rage against what you dont believe exists?
Actually EVERY COVENANT in Scripture is made with groups….NEVER one person
@@mikecara8181 But every group is made up of individuals who each must be individually born into that group.
We, as Christians, are each individually born into the Church by the regenerating power of the Holy Spirit.
@@mikecara8181 Not everyone is saved, not everyone chooses God. First the Jew, then to the Greek. You cannot tell me every single Jew or Israelite in the Old Testament was saved.
@@TaxEvasi0n Being in Covenant and “being saved” are different things.
I agreed with some of Hitchens' argument, but it's not ultimately a matter of opinion is it? Of course one needs to make a definite decision to believe. But that is a work of the Holy Spirit and a work of grace.
I must say I also felt a bit uneasy when he said that...God is a fact...and that fact remains whether you choose to believe it or not
We don't decide to believe. We decide to walk in faith. Belief is the consequence of walking in faith, not the choice to do so.
@@Digitalsapien I think you're dancing on a pinhead with this. My point was there needs to be intellectual assent. Walking in faith doesn't mean an abdication of thought and will.
Are you suggesting that people can't have faith in Christ unless they are regenerated or some other effectual work in Christ?
Wouldn't that then imply that it's God's fault people don't believe?
What do you do with "no excuse" in Romans 1 if believing is a work of the Holy Spirit and work of grace? Sounds like the unbelievers have the perfect excuse if you are correct?
I have agreed with your first and second sentence. I made a comment to that effect and got roundly criticised by everyone who commented. I thought had found a kindred spirit until your final sentence.
It all is. Everything
Blown away by this talk, everything I have believed about atheism and how hollow it is.
hollowness of atheism? So not being convinced that a mind is responsible for this universe is hollow? Really? Seriously?
@@LindeeLove "But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." - 1 Corinthians 2:14
If you are not born again (John 3:3), you are not "upgraded" by God to understand higher level knowledge and wisdom, to you that which is higher will seem like useless, fantastical and foolish.
In other words, without being born of God, you are lacking in the ability to function and process information that requires you to be internally changed, within your spirit and soul, so that you can begin comprehending and utilizing such data.
It's akin to a computer being thoroughly upgraded in hardware and software, it completely transforms it.
That's the Christian message. Without God, you will remain a mere fallen/mortal human, live out your life and then die. But if you are transformed, you will inherit what God always meant for humankind to inherit.
As you can see, countless people all around the world are experiencing just what I described above, when they come to the Lord Jesus Christ, in genuineness and sincerity, with humility and desire, they begin a new life. One that never ends. A true Christian is so transformed that they begin to resemble Jesus ever more, in terms of the goodness of His character. In other words, God is re-patterning people after Himself, whoever comes to Him, whilst retaining their unique person-hood and character.
This is why they created wokeness. It's to help them feel a sense of purpose.
@@hithere748 What does woke mean?
@@LindeeLove "a fake state of awareness only achieved by those who try to find injustice everywhere except in their own behavior." You guys forever ask that question even when everyone has given you the answer!
I wish I could speak so eloquently... Amazing.
I know this is an appeal to emotions, which you shouldn’t typically inject into an argument, but the idea of justice is a very loud and impactful argument nonetheless. To live in a world where countless injustices go unpunished here on earth is quite bleak and sad.
I found that going from Christianity to nihilism was just swapping one set of depressing beliefs for another. Gone were guilt, sin, hell, a God who doesn't answer prayer, cognitive dissonance, homophobia, etc and instead there was absurdity, no freewill, no life after death, no justice, no morality, etc.
Both are psychologically painful, both provide some psychological comfort.
Overall, I prefer nihilism.
@@someonesomeone25 We're sure you have your reasons ;)
@swansonz3534 The main reason it is better is the lack of cognitive dissonance. The second is the reduction in emotional dissonance.
@@someonesomeone25sounds like a pretty pathetic existence
@@thomasthellamas9886 In what way?
''Where there is no God there is no man either.'' [Berdyaev]
When there is no god there is peace. If there is one, people start killing each other over it, and that makes sense to you?
What do you mean?
@@someonesomeone25Read Again👆🏻
True
"Where there is no man, there is no god either" -Me, just now. You added nothing with your comment.
As C. S. Lewis once observed, when a Christian is confronted by those who insist ''Why is it so important for you Christians to have everyone believe that there is a God?'', the counter-question is: ''Why is it so important for you non-Christians to have everyone believe there ISN'T?''
Most atheists don't actually care very much about what Christians believe. How many atheists spend their time spreading their opinions? (Apart from a small number on TH-cam of course)
This is a absolutely brilliant argument by Peter Hitchens. The best I have heard by him and one of the best I have heard period. I have been disappointed with some Peter Hitchens arguments in the past, but this one is truly great and one Peter Hitchens should be proud of, for it was virtually perfect!
It is an utterly pathetic argument. He has been invited to debate the merits of Christianity and the existence of God. He accepted. Then he says he hates discussing the motion, but what we really SHOULD be discussing INSTEAD of the motion is....... etc. He then goes on to discuss what he thinks they should be discussing, rather than the motion itself. Pitiful.
@@bernieross1241 None of those things you claim here is true. Did you not listen to the argument?
He very much addressed the merits of Christianity, and very well pointed out that you can not prove or disprove God, and so belief tend to be about opinion and opinion about choice. He then went in to talk about the motivation which drives Christians and how this is different from atheist who dont WANT a God to exist, despite the fact they don't know if one does or not.
He even mentioned why the atheist don't want there to be a God, and that this is about them being hypocrites and not wanting justice, because they want to keep positions of power where they can expect others to live by standards they don't live by themselves.
What is pitiful is the atheist argument, their lies, hypocrisy, manipulation, injustice, low standard of morality and inability to even use dictionaries to understand the meaning of the words they use, because they are essentially trying to steal constantly and true definitions makes it hard to keep the truth out of the conversation and atheists know this.
@@bernieross1241 What is wrong with his argument? He addressed everything he needed to and backed it up with logic and reason, which is more than can be said of the opposition.
He stated clearly that he was asked to defend religion and Christianity, and he did very well. In fact he left atheism with a lot to answer which I very much doubt they can do with any evidence as support against his argument. So I should say Peter Hitchens is almost 100% sure to win the argument, even if people wont change their minds for the reasons he already mentioned.
@@bernieross1241 Hitchens were only pitiful in one thing, and that was in baring over with and pitying the atheist in the dishonesty of their position, but he also explained why he did that.
Not all atheists wish there to be no purpose, no justice, no life after death, no god. Some of us wish it very much, but cannot actually believe to be real. Maybe I am nothing more than a biological machine (I think maybe I am). I found my purpose in the raising of my children and seeing them, in their turn, raise their own. So may it continue.
But to what end. If they could live forever in eternal joy wouldn't the most loving thing you could do as a Father is see if this were the case even if it meant the death of you. Wouldn't your love be so great to expell all means to arrive at the answer? To love God is to love all men. To love thyself without God is to love no man not even thyself.
@@jacobgingerhoffman7816Life isn't eternal. That's what makes it valuable.
It can be eternal if you choose it to be. And it will be infinitely more valuable.
I find it very interesting that atheists are forced by their own beliefs to believe things that they KNOW to be false. Like the idea that objective right and wrong do not exist. We all KNOW they do exist which is why we get upset when someone wrongs us. 2) the idea that we are nothing but biological machines - that "I" do not really exist, but rather am deceived into thinking that "I" exist. Atheism cannot explain the existence of consciousness or our soul. 3) The idea that there is no objective meaning to our lives or to this universe. We all KNOW that it does actually matter how we live, but ultimately speaking, if there was no god, no judgment, no justice, no accountability, etc. it would not really matter in the ultimate sense.
4) the idea that design does not exist. It's extremely clear that design does exist! Francis Crick said that biologists have to continually remind themselves that things were not designed, but that they evolved. Why? Because the evidence for design is staring us in the face wherever we look and yet biologists are NOT ALLOWED to even consider design as a possible explanation for what we see. It is ruled out from the start - no matter what the evidence! Real scientific, eh?
So if atheists have to violate their own beliefs and their own experience, in order to live and exist in this world, are their beliefs really trustworthy and true? When your beliefs do not match the reality of the world we live in, perhaps that should tell us something about the accuracy of our beliefs.
Atheists reject free will. Without free will, explain to us here, how anything casn then be evil.
How was it evil, when atheist mao did away with 70 million people? He had no choice to do anything else than what he did? So how was he even guilty of anything?
MY GOD, I have said all of this a million times. This is exactly what GOD has put in my mind as I try to reason and it always makes me smile hearing it said in different words maybe by someone else. Materialism, atheism is a dead end….it’s not that they lack reason or evidence, is that they love their sin more than they love their GOD or anyone else other than the god in the mirror.
Nonsense. What wild presumption. What silliness. In my experience, the atheists I have known have been way more moral, ethical and thoughtful than many Christians I've known. They do the right thing because they want to do the right thing not because they are terrified god will strike them down if they don't. For me, god is just Santa for grown ups. Some kids stop believing in Santa at 6 or 7, other kids stop believing in Santa at 11 or 12. Other kids become adults, still believing in Santa but just change his name to God.
Great speech!
Love Peter Hitchens
He may hate this argument, but he really really doesn't like the drugs debate. I guess you could say he actively dislikes it.
What does the drugs debate have to do with what was said here?
@@kaufmanat1 Yeah this is a reference you either get or you don't, you might be the latter.
@@kaufmanat1I believe it was a reference to Hitchen’s interview with Alex O’Connor where he threw an *absolute hissy fit* over being asked “too many”questions about drugs.
This is one of the best clips I’ve ever seen.
Thank you for the best comment I’ve ever seen. :)
really ?
@@GavTatu Yeah. One of! I found it impressive on first-watch, even though it's imperfect and could have been more concise, perhaps more polite (then again, Jesus wasn't shy when rebuking Pharisees). It excelled my expectations and surprised me with a fresher take. Really common is finding the same arguments recycled over and over, by atheists and christians alike, treading the same ground. I really appreciated him coming out and saying what's not been addressed much: If it is ultimately a judgment call because we all are finite enough to lack the complete knowledge of reality required to definitively decide... then it's a good question: Why would someone WANT a world without justice? Who PREFERS to believe a narrative about reality that makes it hellish and hopeless? The answer isn't that "well, it just is that way, it's dog-eat-dog!" because they actually DON'T know that, they just think that, and that's the lens they chose to view reality from. (Business doesn't have to be dog-eat-dog, there has been and can continue to be cooperation and collaboration instead of back-biting.)
I've known atheists, and I've talked to some who knew they were parroting incoherent arguments I easily rebuked. They knew they were being illogical and irrational and were hitting their head against the unassailable wall of God's perfect Word and testimony. They make the choice to descend into that madness intentionally because, lacking faith, there is no alternative but to choose that darkness over the light of Christ shining into the heart. It's like you come to a wooden door during a fire and only if you have a hatchet in hand do you have the option to tear down the door. Same thing spiritually: Everyone's dead in trespasses and sins, but those who beleive are forgiven, and they come to the light. those who hate the light hate it for exposing the darkness in their own hearts (John 3:16-21).
For instance, I spoke a few times to a Feminist who deconstructed her faith and has an obsession with always winning arguments. She literally has all the information that would be necessary to sort that truth out... if her own pride wasn't blinding her, and this was extremely evident when I was reproving her arguments and her arguments had so evidently fallen apart that her next reply was to continue her tactic of evading admission-of-folly by saying "well, you're not allowed to talk because you're a woman and the bible says so." The irony is that this absolutely strawman has only ever been used against me twice in my life, never inside of a church, and only by people who don't study scripture and happen to be trying to save-face while arguing against christianity.
Save-face is a term for saying their pride is wrapped up in winning and they're resisting being humiliated by facing defeat (even if that defeat is a necessary-good and would help them to mature).
It harkens to another video I found today. A guy just directly spelled out that he refuses to believe God is sovereign over what happens because he has suffered - that was his lens (he didn't want god to be responsible for evil). He wanted a God who only did good and knew nothing of sorrow (even though God ordained Christ to suffer and die). ((But without doubt killing the only innocent, sinless man who ever lived is the most evil event in history.)) The god he wanted wasn't the God described in Scripture, but his motive was never to live by the scriptures said regardless whether it served him or not... it was to find comfort. I find comfort, too, but by believing in the God who is real and gracious enough to spare my life moment to moment and forgive me with grace that far surpasses my own capacity for mercy. The truth can be comforting, genuinely so, but a comforting lie cannot be comforting because the promises of that comforting lie cannot come true.
All that to say what I already said: Yeah, it was a nice video for reframing the discussion on a true point that often goes evaded.
I've read Peter Hitchens "The Rage Against God". Had not heard him speak til watching this video. Great point!! Love his humor and this address was brilliant!! Glad he's on "our side"!!
Amen and Amen
I loved listening to Peter’s Brother, both these men are giant intellectuals , I have a lot of respect for both of them . However I agree with Peter 👍🇦🇺
The book of Job, look at the book as a whole, shocking book, the Jews debated why it was included in the bible for Millennia.
Truly excellent.
Has this man ever heard of humanism? A very negative view if we have to have religion to make us behave with empathy and compassion. The universe and life are fantastic - what a load of negative bleating from him.
In the atheistic, humanistic, paradigm, there is no reason to be empathetic or have compassion of any capacity other than reactive response of people around you. “You can not derive an ought from an is” as David Hume puts it. There is nothing that you can intrinsically justify as to why Hitler’s massacre of the jews were wrong. Your justification can’t just be “well, I just didn’t like it and other people didn’t either.”
Not religion. Jesus. And yes, we need it. We can't out of ourselves. Look at the places that don't have "Christian heritage".
Have you ever heard of Dostoevsky? Nietzche? Two who had concluded that without God, everything is possible. That pretty much says it. Without God, we got the Gulags and the Nazi death camps.
Absolutely Brilliant Peter. Truth is Christ.
2:45 Was that Richard Dawkins in middle row: 2nd from the right?
Him or another unknown twin!
Many of these people with much prayer are going to be saved. The enemy wants to use their pride and academic foolishness to deceive others not so much themselves
Wow!! Didn’t see that one coming but fantastic.👏
That is epic.
There are many theists who will not appreciate Peter reducing religious and theistic beliefs to desires and make-believe. True enough, some theists and atheists are motivated by desires, emotional reasoning, cognitive biases, and so forth, but there are good, solid reasons to believe God does or does not exist that Peter seems to completely ignore (perhaps one of the other speakers was tackling that). That is to say, I for one can not take anything he said seriously, as he was projecting his own emotional reasoning onto atheists. It was a lot of nothing.
Not quite. I mean, if we are trying to get to objective truth, certainty, reality, etc... what approximates this as closely as "function." This might not be the exact reasoning of every atheist and theist, but it is partially involved in every atheist and theist position. There is no way to remove it.
"NOTHING CREATED EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS."---science
propaganda for Fools.
So there is a God because that is what we want?
Nope, he is just describing how he knows reality is what he was kicking against.
I was gonna like and subscribe, but then I realized, I'm already subscribed! Kudos!
Thank you!
The Hitchens’ dinner table conversations were probably crazy
Excellent 👌 THANK YOU 🌟😀👍 🏆💯
Might he be our contemporary Chesterton?
He is not a Catholic
I was also an atheist. A convinced atheist and an activist for materialism for almost 10 years. I am tolerant and believe that people have reasons for their beliefs. Even if, generally, they are bad reasons. In any case, I need to briefly talk about the guidelines that guide the thinking and behavior of atheists. Know that these guidelines or grounds are psychologically intensely and, in many cases, unconscious.
1. I suffer; therefore, God does not exist.
2. My human father was bad; therefore, the heavenly Father cannot be good and, therefore, does not exist.
3. I have performed or practice unjust actions. If there is a just God, I will be punished. Therefore, I refuse to accept that there is; therefore, there is not.
Ever since I became a theist, in December 2012, I have wondered what the proof is of the "non-existence" of God. I also wonder if there is at least one atheist argument that is definitive or irrevocable. I suppose there is not. The truth is that no one has reasonable grounds for being an atheist or a religious person. But there are acceptable grounds for skepticism and excellent grounds for spiritualism.
Belief is not a choice. Belief is the acceptance of an alleged fact--or body of facts--as true. That which we are not convinced to be true, we do not believe!
Furthermore, our "desires" have no bearing on reality. Therefore, our beliefs should be tailored to reality--not the other way around!
Brilliant, truth, Godly wisdom. Thanks and God be bless.
This is simply the argument for he utility of religion. Nihilism is real, and there's really no question about it. If you're not shocked or feel sorry for someone when bad things happen to them, your problem is a lack of empathy, not a lack of religion.
Where I do agree with Peter is that letting some Christians off the chains of their rulebook is a gamble, because some of the so-called Christians I know are pretty unsavory characters who seem to be kept in check by their religion.
BTW, atheism is not a choice, at least it wasn't for me, it was a conclusion I reached after many, many years of biblical study. If you are intellectually honest with yourself, then there's really no other conclusion you can reach. This is one thing about atheists that frustrates theists.
What made you come to that conclusion? After my study of the Bible, it would've been dishonest for me to deny its reliability and historicity.
The arguments on the historicity is for others, but clearly there was no exodus from Egypt, no great flood, among other things. Some problems I found are:
1). No evidence whatsoever for god or gods. Ever. The Bible is the claim, not the proof.
2). There are many contradictions within the text. Even the gospels are contradictory on their account of the death and supposed resurrection of Jesus.
3) The Old testament reads like a really bad horror story, if you read the whole thing. The stories are complete nonsense, like talking snakes, a man being swallowed by a fish for days and surviving, and ultra violent. Pick a book and verse randomly, and you'll see. It was clearly written by ignorant people and copied from other, older, religions.. Let's just say I'm glad I'm not an Amalekite.
4) It's clearly about control, and that control is delivered down to the masses by men. Why would a god need someone here to speak for it?
5). Why would the supposed creator of the universe have such a big ego that it cares what we think and say about it? See the 1st four commandments for clarification.
6) Why would it flood the entire planet? It couldn't figure out a better solution?
7) Why would it kill its son? Again, it couldn't come up with a better solution?
These are just a few problems and the list goes on and on. It was clearly written by people looking for ways to control other people and used stories as a method to that end. When looking at it with a modern eye, it just doesn't hold up to any skepticism.
@@Pyr0BenSo I'm not sure what happened, but my reply never posted and instead of typing it all again, I'll just summarize.
1) The Bible is not a historical document: The Exodus and Great Flood(clearly copied from the Epic of Gilgamesh) are a couple of examples from the Old Testament that never happened. There are many, many more.
The gospels and new testament also contain errors and are contradictory. The gospels don't even agree on details surrounding the resurrection.
3). The supposed moral code in the Bible is horrific. Let's just say I'm glad I'm not an Amalekite. Rape and slavery are actually condoned in the old testament and Jesus clarifies that those laws are still in place in the new testament.
4) Both the old and new were clearly written by ignorant people who didn't understand where the sun went at night. Just look at the creation stories as examples.
5) The current versions of the Bible are cobbled together by men who want to control people. That seems very clear to me and is documented when the Nicae council, among others, was held. You do know there multiple versions of the Bible with different numbers of books, right? Why would a god, for which there is no objective evidence mind you, need humans to speak for it?
I had several other reasons identified in my original response, and I'm not sure why that didn't post, but here we are. I would encourage you to read the Bible cover to cover and don't skip any books, chapters or verses, however distasteful they may be, then tell me that the supposed creator of the universe wrote those books.
Once you have seen the absurdity of religion, it's impossible to unsee.
Totally agree. Too much studying of the bible, theology and religious philosophy led me to nihilism.
If you were a nihilist you would sh believe in morality of any kind. And if you're an atheist, then you should be a nihilist. Now be a good nihilist and stop promoting your beliefs.
And look how he turned out!
Godel's incompleteness theorem can be stated as, "in any non-trivial mathematical system, there are true statements that cannot be proven within that system." I believe God created mathematics with this principle so that we could not prove His existence, and that we can only approach Him through faith.
How convenient.
It seems necessary to journey towards God willingly. Even if one discovers Truth, the inability to quantify something that transcends spacetime into a map of the territory that can then be shared in a PDF for others to have an Aha! moment would negate the need for willingness to know God for yourself. The intellect of the most unwilling likely would find a way to reject the map anyways. I presume most disbelievers even if presented with incontrovertible evidence would still choose not to worship God not because its intellectually unsound but because of a restriction in their metaphysical hearts. That knot will not be untied with quantity and measurement. It will take sincere personal introspection.
@@wilhelmvonn9619 It is no more or less convenient than the argument that nothing spontaneously became everything and no one knows how or why.
@@jordancarmack584Except there never was any nothing, anything that exists comes from a prior state via transformation.
You don't know what you are talking about, the incompleteness is for formal systems containint Peano arithmetic exclusively.
I'm still waiting on him making an actual point. Can someone explain it to me like I'm 5? Like whats the 30 second pitch?
Go Back to Sleep Baby.
Even if we don't want it our actions and our lives have an eternal significance in the future of the world, by having children and on how we behave in this world. That alone is a lot
Free will is an illusion…so the Calvinists and Dawkins agree
What forced you to think that?
@@sidwhiting665 I was predetermined to think that..I didn’t have a choice…according to Calvin and his gnostic stoic doctrine
@@jackgammon4084 I agree… I am noting the similarities between a stoic philosopher of Calvinism and atheism
Does someone have a timestamp of when he said something that might convince an atheist?
Depends on which one you ask. th-cam.com/video/x4CVXQ6msj8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=MtVNbg_isRAM8jIV
@@AspiringChristian Your link is to a different video. What was the evidence that convinced this lady? It kind of sounded like, we have a sense of morality, so therefore the god of the Bible must be true. I don't understand the reasoning here. Can you explain it to me?
Thank you for the video. I am answering three questions for now. I can answer more questions raised in this video when I have the time if you point to the timestamp where it was asked.
2:52 Why would you want there not to be a god?
-- That's incorrect, it would be good to have god(s) who are fair to everyone, irrespective of their Religion, sect, gender, language, race, or social standing. If god(s) exist, they exist, if they don't they don't. However, until evidence is presented of their existence, I wouldn't believe in their existence. The claims made about the claims about claims made by goat herders several centuries ago don't count as evidence of the supernatural.
2:59 Why do you want to live in a world in which none of your actions have any significance?
-- That's not true. My actions have significance, irrespective of whether there are god(s) or not. Do you disagree? Here's an example -- Lend me $50000 without a legal clause, and if I am honest, you'll get back your money with interest. If I am dishonest, you'll lose your hard-earned money. Irrespective of whether god exists or not, my honesty will have a consequence, at least to you.
But wait, if I don't return your money and 30 years later accept Jesus in my heart, I will be saved and I'll go to heaven, right? So if your dogma is true, then my actions won't have any significance as long as I perform that one action - accepting Jesus before I expire.
3:23 They don't want justice.
-- Wait, what? It's actually the opposite. You tell me, can't a criminal with several acts of homicide be saved by accepting Jesus? If yes, then (s)he gets mercy. Where's the justice for all their victims?
Instead, if I know that this is the only life my family, friends, and I have, I'll try my best to make this world as good as I can.
I gave my 2 cents in a comment rebuttal to Hitchens arguments but you said it better said than I could have put it. Nice work.
You claim there is no evidence for the existence of the biblical God, but then refuse to entertain the OT, which has a sophisticated law code, as being evidence. Isn't that gaming the system?
'Accepting Jesus' to avoid the consequences of your moral failures is something of a caricature (though I can understand it given some wishy-washy churches). In your example someone who has defrauded another is obligated to make restitution as far as possible for his sin. It's what repentance involves. A complete change of heart.
Your point about the seeming injustice of a murderer being let off but not his victims illustrates Peter's point: if atheism is true both perpetrator and victims die and cease to exist, so why get so bothered about it?
I might add that death bed conversions almost never happen. A lifetime of indifference to God and his moral law harden the human heart.
I notice you change a god to "gods". Interesting why you would do that.
But at least you answered Peter's question even though you called his question incorrect and then answered why YOU don't want a god, especially not the God of the Bible who is actually god. You want fairies of some sort that serve you and your desires.
What about when the desires and opinion of humans are in conflict? Which side should the fairies support in your opinion? What if some of the fairies (demons) support the rapist and some support the rapee?
Can you point to a single goat-herder that wrote the Bible?
You have made it obvious you engage disingenuously with the idea of God. Peter is obviously not arguing for "gods". He is building an argument for the God of the Bible.
As for evidence, you know God exists because you have the evidence of creation and your own conscience. You are choosing to reject God to cover for your own sins, which is what Peter was hinting at. You don't want justice. you want sinful freedom.
And I notice you mention homicide. But what about your sins? Do you want justice to be meted for YOUR sins? What about your lies? Have you ever stolen? What about blaspheming God's name? What about lust and hatred and greed and envy?
What you don't understand about the death of Jesus is that He took the payment (punishment) for your sin and offers that to you as a gift. Imagine you are standing in a court room and found guilty of crimes that deserve a punishment you can never pay. You are headed for jail. But someone offers to pay your fine.
Jesus is offering that to you. If you don't, you head to God's jail to pay for it youself, and it will take all eternity because your sins are against God.
At the cross, God's justice is satisfied but He also extends mercy and grace and love. You can reject that and God will justly condemn you to the Lake of Fire for eternity, but that's your choice.
@@GrahameChristianGould
1) I used "God(s)" because there is no evidence of any god, so if they exist, there could be one or multiple gods. Most of the complex machines we see, from watches to cars, are manufactured by a group of people, so there's a good chance that if the universe is a creation, there is a committee of creators, instead of one entity.
2) I don't know where you got the concept of fairies in my answer. I used the word "fair" not "fairies". I hope that there are god(s) who are more fair and virtuous than the god you just talked about in your comment.
I can explain why the god from your example isn't ethical but TH-cam usually takes down such comments.
Your last sentence exposes how utterly vulnerable you are.
Your standard of good is not enough.
Everyone needs a spiritual saviour which is Jesus Christ.
I guess that you think because you don't agree with some of God's standards or commandments, because in your view they aren't fair.
Or, like most athiest, you've never looked into it seriously, and you're just searching for confirmation bias to support your already made-up mind.
It's your eternity.
Honestly: CORRECT!! AMEN!!
I feel so sorry for Peter. He watched his poor stubborn brother talk his way into hell all because he couldn't get over his own ego long enough to look at Christianity with anything other than contempt.
He said what I feel
He is one of the most pompous individuals that I've ever had the misfortune of listening to. And, my grandson agrees with him.
I’d say he comes across in similar fashion to his brother Christopher. Not quite my style, but I also find him engaging and it’s a good apologetic. There’s 32 other atheist converts to Christianity featured in a playlist on my channel. I believe you’ll find most of them less pompous. :)
@@AspiringChristianI agree he and his brother do talk alike. It doesn’t bother me, I find them humorous at times. Thanks for posting this.
I’m happy that you enjoyed this & thank you for your kind words!
I thought that about his brother, Christopher. I can see why you might see that. What about Richard Dawkins? What about Sam Harris or Bill Maher or Peter Atkinson? Those guys take pompous to an Olympic level.
Your grandson has great taste 😂!!
any god or specifically the christian one ?
I've asked people before this question.
" What would you rather be true? That there be a good God? or no God?"
Some have stated quite emphatically that they would rather have no God rather than a good God.
Why? False pride and a desire for zero accountability. Be careful what you wish for because you will get it. And separation from God is no joke.
@@MagnusMarcellus some of us have but it is inadmissible in courts
I definitely would not want the god of the old testament to be true. That character was a nasty, irrational, jealous, spiteful piece of work. No thank you! If he were true every country would be like Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan.
You say "a good god or no God" like thats what we have. What we are presented with is the abrahamic God that is most definitely not good, but rather an all-powerful, omniscient being that could do anything at any time to reveal himself to the world and right all of the wrongs that he's spoke into existence, but he chooses not to for the theater. And the only way to be considered one of his good little boys is to just believe, otherwise you burn.
I'd rather have no God than such a petulant child ruling over everything.
@@figgleston Petulant lol. He has given you everything. Remember your false pride creature . Satan has you firmly in his grasp I will pray for your childish petulance to be
forgiven. God sees what you do in the still of the night fool. God allows evil because he allows you. Repent of the sins you have committed , God has them well documented.
@@Snhojbar
I didn't say the God of the old testament.....I said a Good God period! What would you rather have? A good God who is perfection itself or no God. Its a hypothetical . If you would rather have no God over a !00% good God your pride is at a very demonic level. The problem with most self righteous sinners is that they don't even want a perfect God because that God will still hold you accountable on judgement day.
Amen, sir.
Anyone who admires this rambling diatribe ought to listen for the rebuttals.
There is a difference between just believing God exists - an intellectual opinion as Peter Hitchens put forward - and I agreed with what he said. Do away with God and society becomes chaos and falls apart. As we see it is doing right now as people disregard God more and more. But this is just standing up for Godly principles and laws.
It does not make one a Christian!
It is trusting the Gospel of God - believing in Jesus Christ as Saviour - that makes one a Christian.
Totally different to just agreeing that Christian values and morals are worthwhile defending and living by.
Jesus said : “You must be born again or you will not see the Kingdom of God…”
You will not be saved, you will not have your sins forgiven, you will not have eternal life …
Personal trust or faith must be placed in Jesus Christ - and this can only happen by God’s Grace one one’s life. K
He has just confessed he believes due to wishful thinking
So do Athiests.
@@williamadams4855I'm rubber you're glue what is this the playground?
@michaelbuick6995 Just pointing out the obvious I guess
@@williamadams4855What? Just because you and I don't believe in Thor does not mean wishful thinking. Your comment is devoid of any logic.
@miguelurdaci7884 If you believe in Thor because you believe him to be real, would that be wishful thinking?
The only thing I can say that has calmed my nerves is that when I was a child, my next door neighbor and school friend and I were riding our bikes down the hill in his backyard, where there was a large Boulder slightly sticking out of the hill that I hit with my front bike tire, toppling over my handlebars, flying and getting knocked unconscious for a bit, having what I believe was an out of body experience at that time, seeing my body on the ground, from a third person perspective, also seeing my ghost, soul, whatever you'd call it, leaving my body, then, being drawn vertically into space, almost exactly what you'd see on star trek, blasting through space with stars whizzing by in about 1 second, then arriving at what I thought was heaven, very bright, blindingly white light I couldn't see beyond and having to slightly turn my head, then remember being beamed back down into my body again, crying, hurt, but okay and alive. In talking with others, they say that I apparently died and was told it was not yet my time. Following this incident, it was later attributed in school to my attention deficit disorder by the hard impact to my head. I cannot say God is real or not, but this and a few other experiences in my life have served to comfort me in the belief that it is very possible, as I used to be scared of death as a child but now have the belief that he is real, and, I'd rather trust in the belief he exists, than to deny it and be wrong and face the consequences of eternal damnation.
Thank you for sharing!
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
Atheism presupposes Theism
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Theism presupposes athiesm.
I hindsight, it seems countries that are predominantly Christian, life and society live in peace and harmony. Man cares for fellow man, and generally, life is a gift.
On the other hand, those countries that have a Christian minority, and majority Islamic, Hindu, Buddist or Athiest, where there is no love for Christ Our God and Saviour, and also little to no care for their fellow man, these countries are war torn and 3rd world.
I truly believe that if these nations found Christ, their whole world would change for the good. 🙏
@garthh7314 you're right about the old Testament. I'm talking about Christ our Lord and Saviour..
Thanks for your judgement.
Sweden, Denmark, Norway, and Japan are some of the most peaceful countries in the world with agnostic and atheists being in the majority. There are other countries, but these are the ones that I instantly remembered as I read your post.
@@Isi-uT "predominantly Christian" is not the same as "Christian majority". Sweden, Denmark and Norway have an extensive Christian (Protestant) history and still have a Christian ethos.
Japan is a very unusual example and out of the norm. It is hard to explain. But it is much harder for you to explain the overwhelming number of counter-examples.
@@servantofjesuschrist-tb8nsI will like to know what you think is the difference between predominantly Christian and Christian majority in the context of this discussion. I see both phrases as conveying the same meaning that Christianity is the most common religion in the country, with 'predominantly' emphasizing a stronger influence of Christianity.
I see your claim that the European countries I mentioned have a Christian ethos as the common attempt by Christianity to hijack morality. Most surviving societies have moral codes because adherence to norms that promote cooperation, compassion, honesty etc within the society played an integral role in their survival. Japan is just the most obvious example of how a society can evolve morally without a significant influence from Christianity. And one exception is enough to show that morality and the stability it brings to a society is not dependent on Christianity.
@@Isi-uT As I already said ""predominantly Christian" is not the same as "Christian majority". Sweden, Denmark and Norway have an extensive Christian (Protestant) history and still have a Christian ethos."
Let me explain further since that was not sufficient for you to understand.
Sweden, Denmark and Norway have centuries of Biblical influence from Christianity that affected their laws and culture and continues to do so today.
And 59.6% in Sweden claimed to Christian in 2021, so you didn't even get that right.
Norway, 75.6% in 2019. In 2021, over 60% just in one Christian denomination.
Denmark, 71.2% in just one Christian denomination in 2024.
I don't appreciate being lied to.
But even if less than 50% claimed to be Christian, that would still not mean that the majority are agnostic/atheist. But let's leave your lies on that topic to the side and return to "predominantly Christian" meaning "predominantly influenced by Christianity as a historical and cultural fact.
That's the case for those three countries independent of how many claim to be Christian.
Now on to Japan. You have made a number of errors in logic here, which is not surprising given what a brazen liar you are.
Firstly, no-one claimed "predominantly Christian" is the only thing that can cause a peaceful country as you have strawmanned our position.
What was claimed is "it seems countries that are predominantly Christian, life and society live in peace and harmony."
That's quite different than "morality and the stability it brings to a society is not dependent on Christianity" which is to reverse the order of the claim. But not a surprise you can't accurately investigate the claim when you can't even accurately report facts.
Secondly, you asserted that Japan was "without a significant influence from Christianity".
I think that is far from being true. There was a significant Christian presence in Japan for decades or even centuries after it was discovered by Europeans. And while few converted to Christianity, there was still an influence that they were aware of. They rejected it not just individually but nationally when they turned to a new form of fascistic Emperor worship in the lead up to and during WWII. But at the end of that war again had a significant influence from Christianity when the US (especially Douglas MacArthur) urged forgiveness of the Japanese nation (as the Allies did of Germany and Italy and their allies) while imposing a Christian standard of morality in their new constitution. Whilst Japan has never been Christian in the sense of most Japanese at least claiming to be Christian, that's still a major Christian influence and I challenge you to explain how the attitude of the Japanese changed so dramatically form before WWII to after. I can't prove Christianity is the reason but neither can you assert it was not without looking arrogant and foolish.
As to "Most surviving societies have moral codes because adherence to norms that promote cooperation, compassion, honesty etc within the society played an integral role in their survival."
That is generally true, but most societies DON'T survive precisely because it is not easy or natural for people to do this and it is easier if the country is Christian. So you are making my point for me.
Since you don't care about truth or integrity, I doubt I will speak to you again.
Absolutely.
If you don’t see God via observations in life, in nature, in intelligent balance and in science, you either seek the Devil or are too far under his influence.
The perfect formula: God via Jesus Christ. G=>JC.
Complete nonsense
Excellent speech
From my experience, atheists choose not to obey God because they do not want to be told how to live their lives; they do not want to obey a deity; they want to be god over themselves.
When you do not believe in God, you can live as you like and never have to apologize, ask for forgiveness or feel bad.
It's a lovely, selfish and unencumbered existence.
In truth, everything has been predetermined in the divine and eternal realm and in this earthly and temporal realm, every person has the free will to do as they like but they are responsible for the outcomes of their free will decisions.
Not only is this biblical, but it is logical and rational.
This clearly wouldn't apply to deconverts, though.
@@someonesomeone25
Deconverts are no longer atheists.
What an ignorant opinion.
@philmason7860
God gave us free will, and we are responsible for our choices.
Our deeds will send us to heaven or hell.
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What opinion is that?
Thank you.
This was a great question that is fundamental to your decision on whether God is real. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
We have The Shroud of Turin, Veronica’s Veil, various landmarks where Jesus was born, traveled, The Upper Room where He held The Last Supper, appeared to His apostles after He resurrected. We have His One True Apostolic Catholic Church He established in 33AD, His Popes and Priests that are direct successors of His apostles, His Doctrine, Sacraments, Teachings and Holy Bible He established in His Church. We have Him in The Holy Eucharist at every Catholic Mass. I’ve personally witnessed too many unbelievable miracles to even doubt for a second that God exists. He is alive and will return soon!
I would also like to add that we also have Eucharistic miracles, uncorrupted bodies of Catholic saints, millions of the near death experience stories
Don't bring your Catholic nonsense as proof of God. Only the Bible and facts are required to prove the existence of God, nothing else
@@choosejesus1910 Amen! I have a miracle to share- My sister at 18 months old, fell waist deep in fire ants, went into anaphylactic shock, slipped into a 6 week coma. During the 6 weeks she was completely unresponsive & Specialists said she would die or be vegetative for life. Our Msgr came to bless her with The True Cross (Splinter of Jesus’ Cross encased). He said some prayers, placed The Cross on her chest,as soon as The Cross touched her skin, she immediately shot straight up, turned on her side and laid down. She woke up an hour later. Mk5:41 She’s had a few issues, but lives a normal life, college, children, grandchildren, etc. My dad converted to Catholic afterwards as he knew The Catholic Church is the only one established by Jesus Christ & he wanted to be a part of Gods Kingdom. He said you can’t argue with what you see. My parents thought they were being punished for whatever, but God knew it would take my dad witnessing this miracle to want to convert to His One True Apostolic Catholic Church. God has a reason for everything!
The papacy is indeed very corrupt and is not the one true apostolic Church. I love my roman catholics but you should know that papacy has darker side to it.
@@brookalakin False! There’s a lot of misinformation being pushed by the left concerning the Papacy that our God and Savior Jesus Christ established. You can find the correct information on the official website of The Vatican, The Holy See. If you’re Catholic, you should know we’re not supposed to criticize our Clergy, we’re to obey and pray for them as they face greater trials because of who they are. Heb 13:7, 13:17-18
Brilliant
With the greatest amount of respect just because you want justice in the world, doesn't necessarily mean that God exists. Also justice is subjective.
Destilled it right down to the core. This was wonderful.
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Very well said.❤
Could listen to Hitchens talk about anything.I don't always agree but it's always interesting.
This is awesome. I had no idea he came around.
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Amen
Many will be called few willbe chosen
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Romans 6:23
“For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
The golden rule
Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself.
That's all you need to live a good life.
And where does that come from, I wonder...
What are the fruits of a godless society?
2 Timothy 3: 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God
I wonder if Peter had these types of discussions with his Atheist brother before he died? Do you think he plead with him to believe in the face of reasonableness and Truth?
So this is what real hitchslapping is 🤔
People need to listen to Christopher Hitchens VS Peter Hitchens.
I feel like he’s more concerned for other people to be Christians for the sake of their influence on providing a comfortable society to live in, rather than concern for the truth or the salvation of individuals. Like he wants society to adhere to God as a concept, or social construct, such as how we all agree to live according to the idea that bits of printed paper have value and hence, voila, that makes it so- at least enough for society to function as it has been.