Just a reminder, Vivian wasn't having an affair. She was happy to be finally doing things for the town again, and the banker was helping her with that. He even discovered that Dr. Johnson was stealing from the hospital. Bernard was the one who thought she was having an affair and he told Charles.
@@supersaiyanamg you've got to take into account him being erratic with his medication plus his unhealthy obsession with her. She was a businesswoman, so it's not unnatural to spend a long time going over documents to make sure everything is done properly. Plus, when someone has that kind of obsession and with antipsychotic medication being taken erratically, it can make you see things. Like, if she gave the person a hug to the side, he could have interpreted it in his mind as a kiss. This is where POV becomes complicated in police work because even though people say they saw something, and it may be in their mind what they saw, it may not have happened. With all the other evidence in Vivian's POV, it was pointing towards her trying to make amends and move on from the past. Obviously, that couldn't happen in the end and triggered her when Matthew brought it up, but I don't think there was any solid evidence she was cheating.
Once we found the information about the PI getting stalked (through the scared letters) i was anxiously waiting for the killer to do the same to our character. Such a brilliant game
@@alrocksthispage I don't think so. On one hand, it would be a nice, and spooky, hint but on the other hand it would give the whole game away. I wasn't expecting Matthew to still be hanging around the town after he killed Steven. Does it ever mention why he continued to stay? The town is about to be sold off soon. Wouldn't he think the secret was going to be lost forever after the P.I. was killed and the town was about to be sold off (and probably demolished)?
Then was murdered for NO REASON when his supposed friend coukd have cleared him but didn't because of his jealousy. Bad things always happen to good people.
The "affair" Vivian was having was made up by Bernard, who at that point had went fully into the obsessed stalker-mode. The banker seemed to only help Vivian with the gallery stuff and such, but Bernard was too jealous to realise that their relationship was platonic. That's what I gathered, at least
dude the foreshadowing in this game was off the charts. i immediately realized that bernard wasn't vivan's killer because the case for the axes was broken, and why tf would he break his own case? then i noticed that there were five slots and only three axes, and if one was the murder weapon, then who had the other one? then matthew showed up at the end with the other axe! what a masterclass in environmental foreshadowing!
I thought I was crazy hearing occasional thuds or creaks in the buildings when Gab wasn't moving throughout this and the first vid, makes sense now that Matthew was snooping around after her!! That was terrifying, what a great game!! Everything came together in such a satisfying way at the end.
My theory is that the PI was afraid of her spirit, and instead of following her, he ran the opposite direction and made it to the hospital in the sewers. Where he was killed instead of saved.
@@emnstuff his body wasn’t there maybe it has been put in the morgue I read elsewhere that ‘what if he’s in the elevator’ since we never got to see inside it oh goshh
AHA okay I was confused about why Charles was supportive of Scott's relationship with Trisha. But Scott's name was Vincent when he was born so Charles wouldn't have known, especially since Scott wasn't in Painscreek growing up
My heart truly breaks for Trisha 🥺 Scott never told her the truth, just broke it off, then her mother is murdered and the man she loves is arrested for it. She grew up feeling lonely and unloved by her parents, she really only had Dorothy (and later Oliver) to support her. She was so overwhelmed by everything that Scott's death was just too much and she thought taking her life was the only way out 💔 poor girl
@@Msliliheart I know that, but there was obviously time between when he broke up with her (with no explanation) and when he was going to tell her/was killed. I personally think he should have told her from the start when he ended their relationship. Not telling her only extended her pain and confusion 🥺
@@aceofkpop1243 I can only imagine how difficult it would be to stomach that the person you've been seeing and liked is your sister, let alone to break that to her as well. While I agree that's something that should've been said sooner but I also would understand why Scott would just break it off and suffer with the knowledge they're related alone instead of sharing that burden.
The case of axes in Bernard's house was broken. If Bernard had done it he would have just unlocked it. Clearly Bernard killed Scott but it was obvious he didn't kill Vivian
This was such a good story. I was partly expecting that ending, but everything leading up to that was just... holy shit? And you have to wonder, if Sofia was having a girl instead of a boy, would things have changed for the better in some way? I, unfortunately, know way too many people who still hold onto the idea that having boys is the ~only~ means of continuing the family line. All of this death could have been avoided and I think that's why this story kept me interested the entire time. Selfishness and greed won in the end and look where it got those people. Thank you so much for playing it. I would love to see/watch more of these types of games.
We have to consider the era this takes place in. Traditionally (and typically legally (I presume for clearer documentation's sake)), males carry the "family name". It was nigh unheard of for a man to take his wife's last name. Even rarer to hyphenate it. So while NOW, in 2022, it's old fashion and ridiculous; it's no different than getting up when the sun rises and sleeping when the sun sets. It's just what was done.
@@FallenAngelHiroko I would say that it was in the 80s and 90s and that it wasn't as bad then. But Painscreek seems like the pinnacle of rural midwest-ish america where things were very different.
TBF, it is still sorta true, to an extent at least. The family line, technically at least, does only continue as long as the family's name continues to be carried by living members. As women, typically at least, take their husband's last name the "family line" does end with them if they are the last living member and no other members had children to pass the name original family name onto. Obviously, that doesn't mean the family was erased from history or anything like that but it does lose meaning if no-one bears the name anymore. Considering where and when the story is implied to be set, like others have said, it is probably even less likely that a women would keep her maiden name. There is also the fact that people don't care as much about family name and preserving it anymore and care more if you're blood related or not rather than what their last name is. Not to say that some people still don't care about it but . . . yeah.
I just finished this game today. One of the very first mysteries right from the start is why the gate to the cemetery was already open and the combination lock already displaying the correct code. This just answered that question, lol.
This was great, I enjoyed following along and figuring stuff out with you! I still can’t believe that Derrick intentionally stayed silent despite knowing Scott wasn’t Vivian’s killer…just foul behavior.
I know right? I was thinking “Wow Scott gas been repeatedly traumatized and has every reason to be angry yet he’s still trying to find the killer of the woman responsible for killing his mom.” That’s saint behaviour. He could’ve been trying to clear his name but it’s still a shame he died for no reason. He seemed super smart too, he could’ve figured it out.
@@pinkblossoms I think he did figure it out, right? On the type writer in his secret room it said "I know who killed my mother". Is that from before or after he was arrested? I assume afterwards or he would have shared his suspicions with the police probably. Either way, he was almost there.
This was a wild ride in the best way. i wonder if the survivors found the article and what their reactions might be. Especially Charles, since it seems that he never realized that Scott was Vincent
Gab: "Dude why don't you have any curtains?! I would have closed them. I feel like I'm being snooped on..." Also Gab: *immediately starts snooping* I just love your sense of humor 😂🥰
I kept laughing when she would crouch to unlock doors I just imagined if someone was on the other side the door would open and there is gab crouching 😆 🤣
I went into this game assuming it would be the average murder mystery game to solve Vivian's murder. I was not expecting to come out of it with Scott playing Kevin Hart in that meme where the woman is protecting him.... and I'm that woman. All the poor guy wanted was some answers, and he ended up being the most tragic character of all. Makes my heart hurt.
I got so sucked into this game! I couldn’t wait till you uploaded next part so I watched the rest on your Twitch vods 😂😂😂 Please play more types of these mystery games! Lol
if you liked this game i would recommend return of the obra dinn! basically you’re looking at details trying to identify people and how they died. it’s a lot better than it sounds lol but don’t want to give too much away. plus it has a phenomenal art style and soundtrack
Ohh I just heard about that game, and had a peek into the art (very unique) I want to play it myself, instead of searching for a gameplay like I always do lol Thanks for recommending!
Oh, I've never heard of this. It looks intriguing though. I'd definitely watch Gab play it and maybe even attempt to play along myself. Thanks for sharing the game.
I went on a Halloween game buying spree last night. Return of Obra Dinn kept coming up on every list and forum. Added that to my list and played around half an hour last night and its absolutely fascinating. So well done, so unique, so smooth, have to actually use your noggin. I agree! I think Gab would adore it.
The way Gab walked into the secret room in the basement and didn't even SEE the big board on the wall until after she read the diary in the drawers right underneath it... Lmao
{Spoilers} After playing this game again I can't shake off the feeling of anger and disappointment and resentment towards the action of not telling Trisha about anything. First it was Vivian and then it was Scott, someone she thought she could trust for life. The idea of losing so many people in 2 quarters of a year ALONG with someone you cherish and love is absolutely detrimental to the mental health. I don't think Trisha deserved to be avoided. Yes it's extremely disturbing news to learn that the person you're seeing a lot/are in love with happens to be related to you (half blooded or not). But it's a far better choice to be honest than to just keep someone in the dark, and think that they're just suddenly despised. All those days of wondering what the hell is going on, and why no one is talking to you, why everything is suddenly against you! Can you imagine being in Scott's shoes just hearing her crying and begging from outside the door just to understand *why*? I'd go insane honestly and I'd eventually just sputter out the truth. What the hell Scott?? She must have felt so devastatingly alone. I don't think she was pregnant I think she had completely lost all hope and security in life and didn't see any other reason to continue existing.
@@auzell1449 lol its okay if its irrelevant! Yeah so when I do my taxes i organize my folders into quarters for the year (so Jan, Feb, Mar = 1/4 , Apr, May, June .... so on and so forth).
While I def understand that view I just wanted to say but also too can you imagine how traumatizing that was for Scott as well? He wasn't doing it to be cruel. How do you tell someone that? How do you break that news to them after what they shared? Like how does that affect you? I've never been in that situation before so I wouldn't even know where to begin to process that brutal truth. They are honestly both victims to adults making poor choices.
This game was SUCH A BLAST to watch!! I love the pseudo-open-world and freedom to learn the secrets of Painscreek at your own pace, as YOU figure it out! Not some automatic progress through the narrative on the game's part. It reminds me a lot of "The Suicide of Rachel Foster" that you played a while back- another favorite playthrough from your channel. Thanks for the fun time!!
i was so convinced that mary would play some kind of important role there. i mean her presence was all over the mansion, she found vivian, she was friends with vivian and it was like she knew things. the devs also kinda made it seem like it was important that her photo was missing. bc if you think about it. you didn't really need photos on those hiring documents. but they did have them and somehow mary was the only one that was standing out bc she didn't have one. it's as if showing her picture would make the player connect something immediately. but maybe that was one of their red herrings. i would have loved that though. xD
I was too impatient and watched the whole stream 😂 I. WAS. TERRIFIED. I was impressed you figured out the ending so quickly. Thank you for sharing the game!
I was so scared of seeing the figure after that first appearance, it put me so on edge. This story was so good though and I honestly didn't expect that particular ending
I bought the game after watching the first video and got to the end bit, panicked and hit quit in the pause menu. Went back, got every other achievement aside from completionist and truth revealed then had my brother do the end bit for me.
who killed the young boy that was found in the river? i know the young girl that went missing was found by a woman with long black hair im guessing it was Sofia's ghost. i loved this game. im guessing the more notes you find maybe Bernard's confessed somewhere to killing Scott, also it seemed like Charles didn't know Scott was Vincent? gab made a point when reading the letter to joke about him saying "I've treated him LIKE my son" which would imply he never knew he was his son, thats sad he drunkingly wish for his death and im guessing Bernard killed him.
yeah, I was wondering the same thing. His missing sign is everywhere in the beginning, but it's never really indicated if they solve it in this playthrough.
Thank you for pointing out that his dad probably didn't realize that Scott was Vincent. And Scott didn't seem it important to tell him. Maybe he felt slighted by the fact that he ended up in the position he ended up in.
Almost everyone in this game is so insane about their love interests, it scary. This game is great, I really enjoyed playing it and then watching your playthrough!
Spoilers if you arent done watching! Man, you'd think the realisation that his actions led to his son being murdered later on would make Matthew repent but he still ended up killing the P.I and attempts to kill the player too. Yikes. But that last segment was beautiful from a horror aspect. Throughout the entire game, you're on, what you are led to believe, a secluded town. The music is sombre and lonely, and you see entries from past residents all talking about leaving. The atmosphere is absolutely choking and almost makes you wish for some human presence (though the only one you see till then is an apparition) However, when you read the final entries of the P.I, you discover that he was stalked and eventually killed by a mystery someone since he came close to figuring out the truth, which you too are close to. It plants this doubt in your mind "What if the same happens to me?" though it's an empty town so surely it wouldn't? You find the key and the clues the P.I left behind which lead you to the final spot where the killer concocted his plans. It's dark and dreary, the weapon is left in plain sight and there's a recording device. It's a very chilling sight, like the murders occured just the day before. Having listened to the recordings, yoou discover their identity and it all falls into pieces. However, the murderer eventually had to kill the P.I for finding out the truth. That's when the pop up appears that you can't save, you see the silhouette of a hooded man wielding an axe coming your way and realise your worst nightmares were true.
I will say Charles never found out that Scott was Vincent which is interesting. But yeah I wonder where the P.I ended up, dead of course, but like where did his body go
Well, we found part of his stuff at the morgue. I don't know but maybe Matthews passed through the sewers killed him and left his body at the morgue ? That's the only this I can think of
ah it's nice to have a tuber play games like this, i like watching people play stuff i'll never play myself but i enjoy watching others play, maybe it's that whole growing up with siblings thing and watching them play. So nice.
When that ending bit first started, I was caught so off guard, I felt like I was playing the game and got so scared so darn fast! 😱 I legit paused the video out of fear, scared of what was next, and I loved that!! I haven't felt that tense over a game in a long while. Fantastic!
I'm normally not a big fan of plot-heavy games, especially one that involves *a lot* of reading, but for this one, I was SEATED lol. Such an amazing game! The ending was so unexpected it totally freaked me out. And all I can really say is: poor Trisha and Scott.
Imagine being one of those people who moved out of the town? Finding out that the woman you all grieved was a killer herself and that Scott was actually innocent and the lost son of Charles all from a story in a paper. I'd hate to be Charles or Bernard
All I could think about was how miserable I’d be if I was Charles. His mother was murdered by his wife (and family doctor), his mistress was murdered by his wife and 2 people he knew, his son was missing and then renamed as Scott who then worked for him and was accused of killing his wife and then at some point he found out Scott was his son (I don’t remember if or when it’s hinted at) probably from Vivian, and then Scott was brutally murdered by his unstable butler, and then Father Matthew killed his only daughter Trisha (I think it’s hinted at after we almost died the same way Trisha did). Wanda died of cancer, Dorothy quit, Bernard idk where he went but now he’s a suspect. Yeah he was a cheater but I don’t think he deserved all of THIS.
I would love to see all the achievements unlocked just to see if the ending changes in a way to mess with your perspective of the game. I think the rooftop death was a way to imply he killed Trish and so would die the same way she did
I finished all of the achievements - except the one where you’re fired (I think that just means leaving before 50% through?) - If you don’t listen to the recording of the confession at the end, but do everything else, the final chase doesn’t start and you have the option of just leaving the town and selecting the culprit, weapon, and a photo for the paper. It resulted in a lower score though, and there was a response to the article asking if I was sure I had all the right information, even though I responded the way I had when I received a perfect game.
I know that I'm super late on this one but my heart breaks for Trisha and Scott. Like they took the brunt of the consequences done by their predecessors. Scott had a rough childhood, growing thinking he doesn't have his true blood relatives, being bullied, learning that his mother, not only died but was killed and that you can't be with the one you love because you're related, being framed for killing someone you did not, your father not knowing anything and being mad at you, and not being able to explain things to Trisha. Then we have Trisha who is basically kept in the dark (intentionally and unintentionally) by the people she trusts and loves. The only mistake that she did was love someone who she legally and morally can't. The fact that Scott wasn't able to explain things to Trisha is really heartbreaking for me. It means she died not knowing why Scott suddenly distanced himself from her. I mean, her mind must have created multiple reasonings for it. To think that she died, believing that Scott do not care and love her anymore is just unfair. And all of this happened because of that stupid belief that only a son can continue the name of the family.
@@liawatson5789Yes, but also it started with Magdalene’s obsession with having a grandson to carry the name which created a rift in Vivian and Charles’ marriage even before he cheated. If Scott had been a girl, I don’t think he would’ve cared as much (because the whole point was to hide Sofia’s pregnancy because it was a boy).
I bought this game because I enjoyed watching you play the first part. I got to the end and my heart was racing so bad! such a cool game. I expected the ghost. but not the ending...
2:23:38 I FUCKING KNEW ITTTT!!! For some stupid reason when she pushed the button on the lamp to reveal it needed a key I jumped out of my damn skin expecting dude to be right behind her! And when she went to use the key something felt off as she listened to the tapes I couldn’t pay attention bc I was waiting for foot steps…. Literally screaming in my head to look around. Now I’m paused hiding in the comments cuz I really didn’t want to be right. Lol
You've probably already seen the end of the game now, but you actually can't move while listening to the tape (or any of the voice messages in general), as the camera locks once it begins playing. It definitely adds to the spook-factor, because I so desperately wanted to start running when I heard that final tape.
@@JoHasIssues Yes! as he starts confessing you get the feeling he has to be in town too. Not to mention you notice someone's living in Scotts cabin because there's water on the counter and the fresh flowers on the grave. And then he starts talking about the other detective, it's so spooky. When I hears the door and the footsteps I got so spooked omg.
@@milacruz3970 There's also a REALLY early tell-tale sign that they're still in the village....Key UNDER the pot is said in like 3 notes from all vllagers....When we arrive it's ON TOP of a pot. Also we are able to pick up a bunch of bibles throughout the game...All if not most are face up. All of the bibles inside his bedroom are face DOWN. Every single one. Guilt. Deeeeep deeeeep guilt and shame for becoming into what they have and not being able to push away the feverish need for revenge and covering-up. They've killed 3 people by now, what's another person? And better yet, when that person isn't even remotely related to them? Really messed up and sad - this whole game is a tragedy lol!
exactly!!! the way the game put more emphasis on the actions and consequences of vivian and the others for what happened BOILS me lol. so many people were killed just because /one/ man didn't have the frigging spine to stand up for his wife to his own mother, and chose to "find comfort" in his young employee-while his wife was recovering from a c-section and having a mental breakdown from the news she couldn't bear another child. the mayor is so horrid and i hate that everyone (even the game, as evident in the ending's notes) seems to casually brush past that and only focuses on the others' wrongdoings. from what i see, these were all the consequences of the choices made by charles. the fact that he ended up alone and miserable was very much deserved. the part he wrote in his diary where he asked if losing his whole family was the punishment for his affair? the answer is a resounding YES lmao and honestly, sofia wasn't all that innocent too. she knew charles was a married man, yet still chose to sleep with him. she was so shameless about it too and describing it as her dreams coming true (she mentioned in her letter to matthew her dream was to not be poor when she grew up. so by managing to carry a male in her womb, she would be accepted into charles's family, thus becoming rich). she did not have a single remorse about her part in the affair and all because she wanted to be rich. she didn't even think about how it would affect anyone, it was all just about her. her death-despite being murdered-was not at all sad to me. i only feel bad for scott as he had to grow up without a mom and that's it.
@@hamimahanuar I think the ending article explains it pretty well. Everyone made the choices they thought best, they just weren't the right ones. Vivian could've confronted Charles, but she went to Sofia. She could've confronted her mother-in-law and Charles about the son inheritance thing, but instead she assassinated her. It's all hindsight.
@@hamimahanuar this is the worst reading of course she didnt wanna be poor who would ? she was a victim too its not like vivian had to murder her she was selfish esp by your logic its not like she wouldve been poor everyone made bad decisions but pretending sofia was some awful person who doesnt deserve sympathy is rly awfulvivian deserves less sympathy vivian CHOSE to kill her instead of confronting her unfaithful husband n shitty mil
@@tensugarcubes frankly speaking, i couldn't care less what you think. it's been 7 months since i wrote that comment and i still stand by what i said. charles is hands down the most awful person in this game whose willful acts and decisions led to a huge catastrophe of everybody else's lives BUT sophia? she's still very much horrible too. is she as bad as the others? no. but is she still nasty? yes. yes she is. her being murdered does not excuse or diminish her part that caused the whole problem. she literally does not have remorse or empathy for anyone else but herself, yet you expect me to extend that empathy to her character? no thank youuu. you can do all that if you want, i honestly do not care. not me, though.
@@hamimahanuarAre you kidding, they’re all adults. Vivian isn’t a child who was lead astray. She was stressed by her step mother so she poisoned her. She realized sofia bore the child of Charles and killed her to protect herself. Charles sucks but he’s not a monster. He didn’t kill anyone unlike so many characters in this game. It’s wild to criticize Charles’s affair more than Vivian killing Sofia which is probably what actually got everything started.
I played this years ago & was one of the people that LOVED the ending. Some complained that it was out of the blue & not like the rest of the game so they hated it. It's a game I can't play a second time so it was a joy to see the panic on your face when you heard Matthew locking the church door.
yes! ive been on tenterhooks waiting for the ending of this playthrough! thank you for posting so quickly youre playthrough of games like these are always so comforting!
Spoiler- I guessed it was Matthew from the beginning! Or at least, from when we learned that Vivian, Henry, and Andrew all had a hand in killing Sofia and all then died in mysterious circumstances. The relationship between Matthew and Sofia was very prominent in a lot of his writing to show how close they were and the fact that Matthew would do anything for her.
LOVED this game so much!! Had the VOD playing while I was working and was so excited for the YT upload so I could pay attention. This game really had me hooked!
I was having just a super unpleasant panic attack last night so I put this series on bc I knew I couldn't fall asleep without listening to someone talking. just a little thank you bc I managed to get some rest & I'm feeling a bit better today ❤
Been super excited for this since part 1. Thank you for playing and introducing me to this game it is super interesting and right up my alley !!! Have a fantastic weekend 😊
I watched this in bits and pieces, and I looked forward to coming back to each time. The aura of mystery, the pleasant music, and the way all the characters stories intertwined together kept me intrigued throughout the playthrough. It really seems the developers worked very hard towards connecting the story together in a feasible way without it becoming too convoluted along the way.
What a fantastic game to bad there was so much suffering and pain for both Vivian and Sophia both died tragically. And their children too such a shame that these two young people didn't get a chance to live a full and happy life . Although there is one thing that I would have liked to know for sure is if Bernard really killed Scott . It was hinted at but not confirmed plus what else did Derek know . I would have liked to know that has well other than that this was a really good game thanks for sharing .
[[[[SPOILERS]]] I was on a Steam page last night where the developers were interacting with comments/reviews/questions, and someone asked for clarification on that and the developers did confirm it was Bernard who killed Scott
Not only was Magdelene pressuring Charles and Vivian to have another kid, for it to be a boy, but Vivian's fears about Sofia's child being a boy were completely founded and valid because Charles' will said EVERYTHING would go to that son if he died. Exactly what Vivian was scared of. So not only was Charles at fault for having an affair WHILE HIS WIFE WAS HOSPITALIZED but he also furthered her pain and fear by writing in his will that a boy would receive everything, including everything Vivian had built during her life
that's all very true, however we can't just ignore Sofia's part in everything as well. She obviously was quite aware that Charles was married, but she wanted to "not be poor" so much that she was willing to have an affair with a married man, while his wife was in hospital. She did not deserve to die, definitely not, however everyone seems to be forgetting that affairs involve both parties, and Sofia knew the truth (that he was married) and did it anyway.
@@thepagesofsamanthaI was thinking the same when I was playing the game, I had to try hard to stay sympathetic towards Sophia because the only things we read in her diary were "I won't have to be a housemaid anymore" and "I almost feel like Dorothea's boss", no thoughts about Vivian and Trisha. Being an orphan who lands a job working as a maid in a mansion isn't that tragic of a story that I would sympathize with that level of egoism. Especially because it was pointed out to us that a lot of men were after her because she was so pretty, she had choices.
can’t wait to watch this fully! i fell asleep watching the vod and woke up in a panic at ~2am when the ending music kicked in and there was ghost talk 😅
I never completed this game because I was too scared - no joke. I basically got to the 95% mark and then chickened out, because I had heard that there was an abrupt and tense ending sequence. There's this phenomenon I've experienced in games - one for which I don't believe a term has been coined: If a game has an empty environment without human models, I sort of build up a paranoia of what would happen should one suddenly appear. Painscreek is kind of a perfect example of this, given that Matthew only appears after 6-10 hours of gameplay. Sofia's erratic appearances don't help, haha. Anyways, I've just completed Scene Investigators with a friend this week, and due to a few easter eggs, had an itch to dive back into Painscreek and see what I was missing. This playthrough was a joy to watch. Holy crap Gab, you are insanely smart. A lot of the things you naturally picked up on took me 2-3x the time to piece together. It's probably because also because I had a literal notebook I was writing that was putting the timeline in chronological order. Not the most efficient strategy it seems, haha.
Omg I'm so glad you played this! 5mins into watching the first part I was like "I'm gonna enjoy this more if I play it rather than watch" I've now been running around painscreek for 4hrs trying to figure it all out. Once I've finished the game I'm going to come back and watch you play it to see how you go! I'm so excited! If there are anymore games out there like this let me know! It's so fun!
I finally beat the game and came back to watch the rest! Now I'm trying to imagine what that ending would have been like if I'd stayed oblivious to the ghost for the whole game. I didn't even see her on the way to the well. I wonder if Stephen never noticed her presence because when he visited, Painscreek still had people in it? Thanks for sharing your journey through this game with us. :)
That was awesome! Thanks for going back and checking out some of the things that were obviously missed. I feel like this would've been the logical stopping point for me as well.
After I watched the 1st video of this playthrough, I was impatient and watched the VOD, I was so mesmerized by the story and trying to connect the storyline together with you! Oof that was a journey & the ending truly caught me off guard in a good way!
Came here to catch up after watching Scene Investigations, I did not expect such a detailed and long story. Seems like a perfect game for people who love to check every corner for secrets in games.
Hey Gab! I once recommended this game a while back, and I am super glad you played it. I don't know if it was my recommendation or a culmination of other requests for this playthrough that made you play it but I think it's super cool that you gave this game a try. It's always been a favorite of mine and I'm glad it's getting more recognition. I'm aware that you finished it a few months ago, I had meant to watch the videos when they dropped, but my pet had passed away and I have been in a grieving phase. But I just finished watching your playthrough and it made me feel much better today. Thanks for being one of the best gaming channels out there! ❤️
I wonder how Matthew found out we were in town? We’re a reporter/journalist and wanted to solve this unsolved murder and at the start of the game, the letter we receive is dated 1999, which means this case has been dead for 4 years and Matthew hasn’t been in town since he left. So how did he know we were here?? Maybe he saw it online if we’re apart of a reporter company. Hmm..
I think in the beginning the reason we are there is because things are going to be auctioned off. I am sure the killer would come back after hearing the news. Idk just my idea, doesn't really explain how he would know someone is there to investigate.
we see fresh flowers on sofia's grave near the beginning, and since the matthew was pretty much in love with her, it's not that far fetched to say that he probably came to town often to visit her. also pretty sure the car near the cemetery was probably matthew's. maybe the reporter just came on the wrong day 🤣
@@starrrfruit yeah I got that after finishing it looool. He had to come every week or so to replace the flowers and the reporter was there on the wrong day.
This is one of the best games I’ve ever seen!! Maybe that’s just me being bias since I looove murder mysteries but man I wish more games had this idea/premise/story buildup. So good.
Man i just accepted an invitation to a party right before i saw the ending was uploaded. Can't wait to come back, drink my cup of tea and chill with Gab.
Very good game. I honestly felt that it was slow-churning at the very start, but as you kept finding more and more of the diaries, layers and layers of the story starts to expose itself. That alone kept me stuck 'til the end.
Great Playthrough! You were asking why Trisha couldn't inheret; well given that the babies were born in the 70's I'm not surprised that the Brooks family would uphold the value of the male heir, most wealthy people did back then and I assume that was one of the conditions imposed on Charles to inheret. I feel so bad for Scott. I wonder if the papers you didn't find revealed more about the discussion he had Vivian, I wonder if thats how he found about everything and among other things Vivian was like "you need to dissappear or my daughter won't inheret" I also believe that Vivian resented Scott because of Magdalene's approval of him, and repudiation of her due to her humble background.
i was so anxious to see the ending i watched the whole stream on twitch before this upload and every time you missed something or like had a key you forgot about i was like screaming at my phone screen like “GO BACK THERES ANOTHER DOOR”
i couldnt wait so i went to your twitch , saw u already finished it and watch the 5 hour stream. Didnt miss a second i was so into it hahaha. glad the stream can be replayed since im not familiar with twitch lol
After seeing you get to the "endgame" portion, I'm honestly glad I never made it that far in the game. Too scary for me. Thank you for an entertaining stream!
What an amazing game! I love that it doesn't feel the need to hold the player's hand but rather lets them explore and put all the pieces of the puzzle together!
In all of this mess, Trisha was truly the only innocent soul. She was the biggest collateral of it all, so sad for her. Spoilers incoming Everyone else pretty much made themselves some kind of guilty. *Scott* ,is probably the only one i can sympathize with bc he was oblivious to almost the end of it, he's guilty of not having a real talk with trisha about everything when he finally realized the truth (which was considerably before vivian was offed) but he was going through it as well so i can partially understand why he wasn't ready to talk to her yet and then the whole thing happened. *Andrew, Dr. Johnson* obviously trash. *Matthew* deserves to go to jail, because what he did was terrible and intentional. I can't say though, that i wasn't feeling with him. i do also suspect he is to blame for trishas death, he is the only one that visited trisha when she was in the hospital and he came three times. the last one was in december, maybe to inform her about scotts death. a few weeks later, the hospital rooftop was magically open. idk maybe the accident part was not planned, but i wouldnt really put it besides him to use the power of suggestion in her state. *Bernard* obviously also trash. The dude is an obsessive stalker, who because of his dellusions or misunderstandings just told charles that vivian had an affair, when she did not. The banker is the same as this art gallery dude that helped vivian with the art event she wanted to hold with oliver, trisha and stuff, so they were talking bussiness deals. So y'all got it all wrong, bc Vivian did not have an affair and even if she had an affair, this would have been 1994/5, so twenty years after the affair charles was having. I'm saying that bc i think there was a misunderstanding in the conclusion, i think evelyn went out of the game thinking that vivian just had an affair and that it was shortly after her husband had one with sofia and they could have just divorced. but that is not what happened. Apart from that bernard is esp trash because he offed scott! *Derrick* :i mean the f. this dude was the alibi for scott and he just lied, bc he wanted trisha for himself. wtf. he took away the last chance of healing and future for scott, trisha and himself. Coming to *Vivian* :She is guilty and shitty that's for sure. Sofia's death was accidental, but magdalenas was intentional. However i also think she is a victim. what they have done to her, the way she was treated, was so unbelievably nasty and disgusting, that whilst i think she deserved big jail time, i still can't see her as a villain. She marries charles, shortly after her vile mother in law demands an heir, male of course bc she's a sexist (as if her daughter in law wasn't the evidence of a competent, successful, and passionate businesswoman, as if vivian wasn't the one that not only carried the roberts company success which she rebuilt from the ground after the accident but also carried her husbands political career on her back), so she gets pregnant. has a miscarriage (first trauma), has a healthy daughter which should be something great but second trauma bc no doubt the mom in law was chewing her out for not having a son (as if you can influence it like in the sims with eating three apples), then she had to be operated bc of a complication after the pregnancy (that is bodily trauma), which resulted in her not being able to have kids anymore (biggest trauma). just think this in of itself would cause a depression, which she had and had to be treated for. she would feel sad, desperate, guilty her world destroyed, as if she failed as woman, wife and mother as if she's defective. Now, what could make this already shitty situation even worse? Exactly a mother in law, that wanted a grandson apparently doesn't like her granddaughter or thinks she is worth it, didn't get one and will never get one, bc the wife is not able to have kids and therefore a male heir anymore. And you just know that this woman was one of those that caused vivian to feel like something defective. and i mean the minute the male heir was there, she literally just said that they can get on the family register, charles changed his whole testament to his son. it was as if his first and "real" family wasn't there anymore. wife and daughter both worthless. so can you really blame vivian for being furious, feeling threatened and anxious about the male heir thing, when she was basically conditioned into caring for that? and i mean was she wrong about the fear of them wanting to replace her? also nope, as one of the first things charles did, is to change the testament and documents only considering his on. But wait the trauma doesn't end there for her. What happened when she was in treatment for her depression? Exactly her nasty husband *Charles* started an affair with a newly hired maid that also was taking her of his newborn daughter, and then impregnated her. what kind of scum can you be? this dude marries and not even like 2-4 years later, the daughter at most one year old, he *cheats* whilst his wife is treated because of severe depression bc she cant have kids anymore etc. and this asshole instead of supporting her, begins an affair with not only an employee but with the maid that takes care of this newborn daughter he had!! And then as the cherry on top he has a child with her which then to make the irony complete, is a boy. and in all this time whilst vivian is being treated, is feeling alone, unloved, worthless etc. he is not there for her, the staff is being made to accomplices regarding the affair. with dorothy taking the cake of taking fully care of pregnant sofia whilst vivian is rotting. i think it's responsible and good that sofia is being taken care of but you know the only reason is because she carries the son. plus again whilst they "take responsibility" after the affair for sofia, they don't for vivian. I'm honestly so gutted how charles could have treated his wife like this and everyone else was happily enabling it. instead of supporting his wife in this difficult times, he gets this whole shit going. Instead of supporting her from the outside bc she isn't ready to see him (yet), sending letters, sending flowers, taking care of his daughter and most importantly standing up for his family against his mother, he does all of the things i said above and then without trying, has given up on their marriage. vivian should have confronted charles not sofia. *Sofia* is shitty, but what happened to her was so tragic and sad, it was an accident but still vivian directed her anger towards the wrong person. i get that of course she didn't want to leave because she rebuilt the company from the grounds, it was her effort that got this success after the accident , not charles or madgalenas. Plus she is through marriage part of the family and apparently wanted to hold onto that because of stupid pride. So of course she didn't want to be the one to leave, just so "the mistress can take over only bc of the son". still of course, she deserved jail for madgalena and the accident of sofia like the rest of them deserved for their crimes. however yeah you can't tell me that charles was not a villain, only a victim that commited a spur of the moment mistake. if all those ppl are hold accountable, he can't be the only one whose action is then trivialized as some mistake, as if he's an unassuming, passive party in this (which literally only can be said about trisha). i mean karma came through but why through those innocent kids suffering? couldn't just he have "suffered" without any of this happening to sofia, and co. if you think about it, charles never took responsibility for anything. not for his marriage, not for his family, not for himself, not for his affair, not for his illegitimate child. when sofia was gone, he never really tried to find her. it's like he replaces vivian and trisha for sofia and vincent and when sofia was gone suddenly, he's like "oh well, back to first family" and doesn't even need to take care of the mess he created, bc sofia magically took her son and disappeared. like scott said, i pity the ignorant.
oh my god yes! you seriously put all my thoughts into words. i agree with everything you said. it's so satisfying to read your comment from start to finish. you really nailed it right on the head
Man! Such a good game! it seems like the devs are working on another like someone else in the comments said and Ive already wishlisted it. I remember playing this and was blown away. I literally reacted the same way when I played it!! how fun! Thanks Gab!
I will say I'm glad I decided to play this game for myself, because I was able to complete everything "in the right order", like I got the stuff in the stump and unlocked all the safes and all that stuff before the final ending, which was much more satisfying for me to experience. I do appreciate Gab playing this though, because I found a great game out of it, and love going on these "adventures"/"investigations" with her. thanks for the fun time Gab!!
All through out the story I couldn't help but feel sorry for Scott. The other characters suffered too, but he was born out of wedlock and had a chance to come to good money. His father was willing to take care of him and his mom (Sofia) discreetly, Magdalene would have loved him just because he was a boy. But instead, his mom was killed and her death covered up. They just threw her body into a well like some trash, leaving Scott to find it one day and bury it. His childhood was spent at the orphanage, then other kids bullied him to the point of throwing rocks and wounding him. His best friend stopped talking to him because of a love triangle, and then decided to keep him as the main suspect, which eventually led to his death, instead of clearing his name. The girl he fell in love with turned out to be his half-sister, and he had to cut her off without even telling her the truth. He was wrongly accused of being a murderer. He was killed based on these accusations. His relationship with his adoptive father turned strained because of all the secrets. Poor boy. One thing that felt a bit disconnected was Father Matthew's "confession", where he did not mention Scott at all. I expected him to at least mention his name, something like how he misses him or how he didn't deserve to die. To me it felt like Matthew cared deeply for Scott and so the fact that the game pretty much doesn't mention Scott for the rest of the gameplay from when we learnt about Bernard killing him was a bit off, like we just forgot he existed. One more thing, Vivian wasn't all that nice, like some people in the comments pointed out. She still conspired with the doctor and killed her mother in law, she knew about Scott, she decided to take out her anger on Sofia and never felt guilty. Next to her, Charles' affair doesn't seem like the worst thing in that family. Overall, I liked the game, but I do wish there were a few more intense scenes instead of just one at the end. In that sense, I prefer The Su***de of Rachel Foster, because it was a bit more creepy. The two are similar in my opinion. I liked these types of murder mystery/horror games more than the typical jumpscare ones like Outlast or 5 Nights At Freddy's.
Same. I felt awful for that poor kid. Vivian can go fuck herself, I have no pity. I also found it VERY odd Matthew didn't mention Scott when he clearly loved him so much.
What great character analyses, especially in laying out the tragedy of Scott’s life altogether! Father Matthew did seem to lose depth in the end, although his narrative was also tragic. I figured he just lost his mind completely and snapped. And Vivian was a great example of complex character development here. Just ruthless. I also loved the touch of thoughtful supernatural without it being just ridiculous plot advances. Some things I giggled about were how new items were added to the journalist’s “inventoy” and how Betty White was Magdalene. 😊
I disagree with one aspect: Charles was willing to disinherit his wife and daughter immediately for a son born from an affair. That’s not exactly the same as wanting to take care of him. Vivian likely suffered of some form of post-partum depression and when she got home from the hospital she realised that her husband had cheated with the kids nanny and his mistress now was pregnant with the son she couldn’t „deliver“ for his precious family name. It’s not really surprising that she snapped at that point. Not that I condone murder, but really there are no good guys here. Everybody‘s kinda messed up. Trisha and Scott are the only ones of the main players who truly did nothing wrong and were just completely screwed by circumstances and the bad decisions of their families and friends.
@@Seldarius oh, I don't remember him actually saying he'd disinherit them. I probably got it twisted in my mind, I thought he wanted to support Scott financially and then one day maybe add him officially to his will or something. That is very messed up of him.
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I can't stop hearing the drawer noises as lion roars lmao
girl me too
It's sound like the toilet to me 😅
Same!!! I was thinking it sounded like Leo the Lion from MGM studio lol. 😅
That's actually a tigers roar not lion mgm use tiger roar voice go Joe reagan podcest lion doesn't roar like thats
Just a reminder, Vivian wasn't having an affair. She was happy to be finally doing things for the town again, and the banker was helping her with that. He even discovered that Dr. Johnson was stealing from the hospital. Bernard was the one who thought she was having an affair and he told Charles.
But Vivian went into the accountants house for a few hours....alone. she playing games
But she did murder 2 people so not really innocent here
@@jindmand No one anywhere said she was innocent of murder.
@@supersaiyanamg Pretty sure Bernard said he saw them kissing too. During his stalking spree
@@supersaiyanamg you've got to take into account him being erratic with his medication plus his unhealthy obsession with her. She was a businesswoman, so it's not unnatural to spend a long time going over documents to make sure everything is done properly. Plus, when someone has that kind of obsession and with antipsychotic medication being taken erratically, it can make you see things. Like, if she gave the person a hug to the side, he could have interpreted it in his mind as a kiss. This is where POV becomes complicated in police work because even though people say they saw something, and it may be in their mind what they saw, it may not have happened. With all the other evidence in Vivian's POV, it was pointing towards her trying to make amends and move on from the past. Obviously, that couldn't happen in the end and triggered her when Matthew brought it up, but I don't think there was any solid evidence she was cheating.
was definitely NOT expecting to see an HP bar in this game! that spooked me!
Once we found the information about the PI getting stalked (through the scared letters) i was anxiously waiting for the killer to do the same to our character. Such a brilliant game
@@larabanana6949 I wonder if the "stalker" could be seen lurking after a certain point in the background
@@alrocksthispage I don't think so.
On one hand, it would be a nice, and spooky, hint but on the other hand it would give the whole game away.
I wasn't expecting Matthew to still be hanging around the town after he killed Steven. Does it ever mention why he continued to stay? The town is about to be sold off soon. Wouldn't he think the secret was going to be lost forever after the P.I. was killed and the town was about to be sold off (and probably demolished)?
Late game HP bar reveal is sick, even though it took +4 hours to get there
I jumped so hard I guess I don’t need a nap after all
That Scott had to find his mother’s remains, alone, and bury her, alone. Heart wrenching.
Finished this game heartbroken for Scott. He deserved better. He paid the price for the sins of the adults.
Then was murdered for NO REASON when his supposed friend coukd have cleared him but didn't because of his jealousy. Bad things always happen to good people.
I was falling for Scott hard and when I found out he was murdered I was floored and upset for him because he didn’t deserve it.
The "affair" Vivian was having was made up by Bernard, who at that point had went fully into the obsessed stalker-mode. The banker seemed to only help Vivian with the gallery stuff and such, but Bernard was too jealous to realise that their relationship was platonic. That's what I gathered, at least
Sorry, but it was at the guy's apartment. There's near 0 chance they were doing something official.
@@eryuu4016bruh you’re wrong
@@eryuu4016the developers officially said that there was no affair and Bernard was being jealous
dude the foreshadowing in this game was off the charts. i immediately realized that bernard wasn't vivan's killer because the case for the axes was broken, and why tf would he break his own case? then i noticed that there were five slots and only three axes, and if one was the murder weapon, then who had the other one? then matthew showed up at the end with the other axe! what a masterclass in environmental foreshadowing!
Memento Mori :)
@@forgottenness memento mori my friend
Wait I don't understand. I saw the three and know that Matthew had one. Where is the other one since a knife was used to kill scott?
@@silentj624It was the bloody one on the desk that we see before he chases us, which he has the other one. He took 2.
@Emily19677 oh duh! Lol I should have caught that more easily. 😅
I thought I was crazy hearing occasional thuds or creaks in the buildings when Gab wasn't moving throughout this and the first vid, makes sense now that Matthew was snooping around after her!! That was terrifying, what a great game!! Everything came together in such a satisfying way at the end.
My theory is that the PI was afraid of her spirit, and instead of following her, he ran the opposite direction and made it to the hospital in the sewers. Where he was killed instead of saved.
but his body was never found anywhere right?
@@kookiedough5666 I think his belongings were in the sewers, or maybe his body? It's been a bit since I've watched this.
@@emnstuff his body wasn’t there maybe it has been put in the morgue I read elsewhere that ‘what if he’s in the elevator’ since we never got to see inside it oh goshh
@@kookiedough5666 if I remember right wasn't his wallet found in the hospital basement? I think that's why I figured he ended up there.
@@emnstuffDoesn’t explain the bloody handprint on the dash of his car
AHA okay I was confused about why Charles was supportive of Scott's relationship with Trisha. But Scott's name was Vincent when he was born so Charles wouldn't have known, especially since Scott wasn't in Painscreek growing up
My heart truly breaks for Trisha 🥺
Scott never told her the truth, just broke it off, then her mother is murdered and the man she loves is arrested for it. She grew up feeling lonely and unloved by her parents, she really only had Dorothy (and later Oliver) to support her.
She was so overwhelmed by everything that Scott's death was just too much and she thought taking her life was the only way out 💔 poor girl
Late, but he's about to tell her the truth (he wrote her a letter that he'll tell her the truth) but then someone killed him.
@@Msliliheart I know that, but there was obviously time between when he broke up with her (with no explanation) and when he was going to tell her/was killed. I personally think he should have told her from the start when he ended their relationship. Not telling her only extended her pain and confusion 🥺
@@aceofkpop1243 I can only imagine how difficult it would be to stomach that the person you've been seeing and liked is your sister, let alone to break that to her as well. While I agree that's something that should've been said sooner but I also would understand why Scott would just break it off and suffer with the knowledge they're related alone instead of sharing that burden.
The case of axes in Bernard's house was broken. If Bernard had done it he would have just unlocked it. Clearly Bernard killed Scott but it was obvious he didn't kill Vivian
Also why is that case still broken four years later
@@faiyoakeI think Matthew actually broke the case when Moss showed up, to pin it on Bernard
This was such a good story. I was partly expecting that ending, but everything leading up to that was just... holy shit? And you have to wonder, if Sofia was having a girl instead of a boy, would things have changed for the better in some way? I, unfortunately, know way too many people who still hold onto the idea that having boys is the ~only~ means of continuing the family line. All of this death could have been avoided and I think that's why this story kept me interested the entire time. Selfishness and greed won in the end and look where it got those people. Thank you so much for playing it. I would love to see/watch more of these types of games.
We have to consider the era this takes place in. Traditionally (and typically legally (I presume for clearer documentation's sake)), males carry the "family name". It was nigh unheard of for a man to take his wife's last name. Even rarer to hyphenate it. So while NOW, in 2022, it's old fashion and ridiculous; it's no different than getting up when the sun rises and sleeping when the sun sets. It's just what was done.
@@FallenAngelHiroko I would say that it was in the 80s and 90s and that it wasn't as bad then. But Painscreek seems like the pinnacle of rural midwest-ish america where things were very different.
TBF, it is still sorta true, to an extent at least.
The family line, technically at least, does only continue as long as the family's name continues to be carried by living members. As women, typically at least, take their husband's last name the "family line" does end with them if they are the last living member and no other members had children to pass the name original family name onto.
Obviously, that doesn't mean the family was erased from history or anything like that but it does lose meaning if no-one bears the name anymore. Considering where and when the story is implied to be set, like others have said, it is probably even less likely that a women would keep her maiden name.
There is also the fact that people don't care as much about family name and preserving it anymore and care more if you're blood related or not rather than what their last name is. Not to say that some people still don't care about it but . . . yeah.
*All the death could have been avoided If charles didn't cheat on Vivian!
@@jeidei8943And with a Catholic Church in the center of it all, I am a bit surprised the religious undertones weren’t as prevalent.
Around 1:54:00 I started to get freaked out because someone had to have left those flowers at Sophia's grave recently...
I did not think of that, and now after finishing it, they were definitely left by Matthew. Wow I did not think of that.
I just finished this game today. One of the very first mysteries right from the start is why the gate to the cemetery was already open and the combination lock already displaying the correct code. This just answered that question, lol.
This was great, I enjoyed following along and figuring stuff out with you! I still can’t believe that Derrick intentionally stayed silent despite knowing Scott wasn’t Vivian’s killer…just foul behavior.
complete incel
I know right? I was thinking “Wow Scott gas been repeatedly traumatized and has every reason to be angry yet he’s still trying to find the killer of the woman responsible for killing his mom.” That’s saint behaviour. He could’ve been trying to clear his name but it’s still a shame he died for no reason. He seemed super smart too, he could’ve figured it out.
@@pinkblossoms I think he did figure it out, right? On the type writer in his secret room it said "I know who killed my mother". Is that from before or after he was arrested? I assume afterwards or he would have shared his suspicions with the police probably. Either way, he was almost there.
I get that Derrick loved Trisha and was jealous of Scott, but I agree. Poor Scott.
dude sucked so hard im like damn no wonder you got no bitches
This was a wild ride in the best way. i wonder if the survivors found the article and what their reactions might be. Especially Charles, since it seems that he never realized that Scott was Vincent
Gab: "Dude why don't you have any curtains?! I would have closed them. I feel like I'm being snooped on..."
Also Gab: *immediately starts snooping*
I just love your sense of humor 😂🥰
I kept laughing when she would crouch to unlock doors I just imagined if someone was on the other side the door would open and there is gab crouching 😆 🤣
I went into this game assuming it would be the average murder mystery game to solve Vivian's murder. I was not expecting to come out of it with Scott playing Kevin Hart in that meme where the woman is protecting him.... and I'm that woman. All the poor guy wanted was some answers, and he ended up being the most tragic character of all. Makes my heart hurt.
The fact that I was JUST thinking, if this was a Nancy Drew the killer would be right there waiting on us 😂 I SCREAMED when I heard footsteps 🤣🤣
I got so sucked into this game! I couldn’t wait till you uploaded next part so I watched the rest on your Twitch vods 😂😂😂 Please play more types of these mystery games! Lol
I second this!
I third 😁
if you liked this game i would recommend return of the obra dinn! basically you’re looking at details trying to identify people and how they died. it’s a lot better than it sounds lol but don’t want to give too much away. plus it has a phenomenal art style and soundtrack
Ohh I just heard about that game, and had a peek into the art (very unique)
I want to play it myself, instead of searching for a gameplay like I always do lol
Thanks for recommending!
@@lindazhao7521 yesss play it! it’s an amazing game
Oh, I've never heard of this. It looks intriguing though. I'd definitely watch Gab play it and maybe even attempt to play along myself. Thanks for sharing the game.
I went on a Halloween game buying spree last night. Return of Obra Dinn kept coming up on every list and forum. Added that to my list and played around half an hour last night and its absolutely fascinating. So well done, so unique, so smooth, have to actually use your noggin. I agree! I think Gab would adore it.
Please please gab need to see this comment !!! Can we requests game on her twitch ??
The way Gab walked into the secret room in the basement and didn't even SEE the big board on the wall until after she read the diary in the drawers right underneath it... Lmao
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After playing this game again I can't shake off the feeling of anger and disappointment and resentment towards the action of not telling Trisha about anything. First it was Vivian and then it was Scott, someone she thought she could trust for life. The idea of losing so many people in 2 quarters of a year ALONG with someone you cherish and love is absolutely detrimental to the mental health. I don't think Trisha deserved to be avoided. Yes it's extremely disturbing news to learn that the person you're seeing a lot/are in love with happens to be related to you (half blooded or not). But it's a far better choice to be honest than to just keep someone in the dark, and think that they're just suddenly despised. All those days of wondering what the hell is going on, and why no one is talking to you, why everything is suddenly against you! Can you imagine being in Scott's shoes just hearing her crying and begging from outside the door just to understand *why*? I'd go insane honestly and I'd eventually just sputter out the truth. What the hell Scott?? She must have felt so devastatingly alone. I don't think she was pregnant I think she had completely lost all hope and security in life and didn't see any other reason to continue existing.
Totally, I also definitely think she would have beed happy to have a brother
Completely irrelevant but this might be the first time I've ever heard someone utter the words "2 quarters of a year"
@@auzell1449 lol its okay if its irrelevant! Yeah so when I do my taxes i organize my folders into quarters for the year (so Jan, Feb, Mar = 1/4 , Apr, May, June .... so on and so forth).
While I def understand that view I just wanted to say but also too can you imagine how traumatizing that was for Scott as well? He wasn't doing it to be cruel. How do you tell someone that? How do you break that news to them after what they shared? Like how does that affect you? I've never been in that situation before so I wouldn't even know where to begin to process that brutal truth. They are honestly both victims to adults making poor choices.
Father Matthew knew Bernard was left-handed because Bernard could not work on the "Easter invitations" due to his injured wrist.
This game was SUCH A BLAST to watch!! I love the pseudo-open-world and freedom to learn the secrets of Painscreek at your own pace, as YOU figure it out! Not some automatic progress through the narrative on the game's part. It reminds me a lot of "The Suicide of Rachel Foster" that you played a while back- another favorite playthrough from your channel. Thanks for the fun time!!
i was so convinced that mary would play some kind of important role there. i mean her presence was all over the mansion, she found vivian, she was friends with vivian and it was like she knew things. the devs also kinda made it seem like it was important that her photo was missing. bc if you think about it. you didn't really need photos on those hiring documents. but they did have them and somehow mary was the only one that was standing out bc she didn't have one. it's as if showing her picture would make the player connect something immediately. but maybe that was one of their red herrings. i would have loved that though. xD
This is probably my fav detective/investigation/clue finding game that Gab played!!!
It sucks that is only on steam: (. A lot of her viewers are console owners. Hopefully they can port this game soon.
I was too impatient and watched the whole stream 😂 I. WAS. TERRIFIED. I was impressed you figured out the ending so quickly. Thank you for sharing the game!
Had a good laugh when the ghost girl is trying to help and you're like 'AH! Oh, thank you.'
I cannot "unhear" the lion's roar whenever she opens a drawer afer she mentioned it
I was so scared of seeing the figure after that first appearance, it put me so on edge. This story was so good though and I honestly didn't expect that particular ending
Sofia was just trying to help us solve the case the whole time! She still creepy as hell lol
I bought the game after watching the first video and got to the end bit, panicked and hit quit in the pause menu. Went back, got every other achievement aside from completionist and truth revealed then had my brother do the end bit for me.
who killed the young boy that was found in the river? i know the young girl that went missing was found by a woman with long black hair im guessing it was Sofia's ghost. i loved this game. im guessing the more notes you find maybe Bernard's confessed somewhere to killing Scott, also it seemed like Charles didn't know Scott was Vincent? gab made a point when reading the letter to joke about him saying "I've treated him LIKE my son" which would imply he never knew he was his son, thats sad he drunkingly wish for his death and im guessing Bernard killed him.
I think the boy and the coal miners are just red herrings to make you uncertain about what exactly's going on.
yeah, I was wondering the same thing. His missing sign is everywhere in the beginning, but it's never really indicated if they solve it in this playthrough.
@@justinnyugen7015 I wonder if it has to do with Scott because the boy went missing in 1989 and he would've been around the same age as Scott.
Thank you for pointing out that his dad probably didn't realize that Scott was Vincent. And Scott didn't seem it important to tell him. Maybe he felt slighted by the fact that he ended up in the position he ended up in.
Yeah later but the devs said they meant to add more but didn't get to lol, the kid who died just drowned accidentally.
Almost everyone in this game is so insane about their love interests, it scary.
This game is great, I really enjoyed playing it and then watching your playthrough!
I love how Gab thinks about the story 24/7 even when she's not on screen😂💕
Spoilers if you arent done watching!
Man, you'd think the realisation that his actions led to his son being murdered later on would make Matthew repent but he still ended up killing the P.I and attempts to kill the player too. Yikes.
But that last segment was beautiful from a horror aspect. Throughout the entire game, you're on, what you are led to believe, a secluded town. The music is sombre and lonely, and you see entries from past residents all talking about leaving. The atmosphere is absolutely choking and almost makes you wish for some human presence (though the only one you see till then is an apparition)
However, when you read the final entries of the P.I, you discover that he was stalked and eventually killed by a mystery someone since he came close to figuring out the truth, which you too are close to. It plants this doubt in your mind "What if the same happens to me?" though it's an empty town so surely it wouldn't?
You find the key and the clues the P.I left behind which lead you to the final spot where the killer concocted his plans. It's dark and dreary, the weapon is left in plain sight and there's a recording device. It's a very chilling sight, like the murders occured just the day before. Having listened to the recordings, yoou discover their identity and it all falls into pieces. However, the murderer eventually had to kill the P.I for finding out the truth. That's when the pop up appears that you can't save, you see the silhouette of a hooded man wielding an axe coming your way and realise your worst nightmares were true.
I will say Charles never found out that Scott was Vincent which is interesting. But yeah I wonder where the P.I ended up, dead of course, but like where did his body go
Well, we found part of his stuff at the morgue. I don't know but maybe Matthews passed through the sewers killed him and left his body at the morgue ? That's the only this I can think of
@@Elieee11 watch it turns out it's in the elevator
ah it's nice to have a tuber play games like this, i like watching people play stuff i'll never play myself but i enjoy watching others play, maybe it's that whole growing up with siblings thing and watching them play.
So nice.
When that ending bit first started, I was caught so off guard, I felt like I was playing the game and got so scared so darn fast! 😱
I legit paused the video out of fear, scared of what was next, and I loved that!! I haven't felt that tense over a game in a long while. Fantastic!
I'm normally not a big fan of plot-heavy games, especially one that involves *a lot* of reading, but for this one, I was SEATED lol. Such an amazing game! The ending was so unexpected it totally freaked me out. And all I can really say is: poor Trisha and Scott.
I haven't finished this video quite yet, but I have never been so interested in a murder mystery game! Love that Gab played this!
Imagine being one of those people who moved out of the town? Finding out that the woman you all grieved was a killer herself and that Scott was actually innocent and the lost son of Charles all from a story in a paper. I'd hate to be Charles or Bernard
All I could think about was how miserable I’d be if I was Charles. His mother was murdered by his wife (and family doctor), his mistress was murdered by his wife and 2 people he knew, his son was missing and then renamed as Scott who then worked for him and was accused of killing his wife and then at some point he found out Scott was his son (I don’t remember if or when it’s hinted at) probably from Vivian, and then Scott was brutally murdered by his unstable butler, and then Father Matthew killed his only daughter Trisha (I think it’s hinted at after we almost died the same way Trisha did). Wanda died of cancer, Dorothy quit, Bernard idk where he went but now he’s a suspect. Yeah he was a cheater but I don’t think he deserved all of THIS.
@Emily19677 but did Mathew know about who killed Scott? And why didn't he do anything to him if he knew
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Trisha actually unalived herself because of all the other stuff (her mom dying, Scott breaking up with her)
Very much enjoyed watching you play this. We honestly need more games like these. I love playing detective along side you.
I would love to see all the achievements unlocked just to see if the ending changes in a way to mess with your perspective of the game. I think the rooftop death was a way to imply he killed Trish and so would die the same way she did
I finished all of the achievements - except the one where you’re fired (I think that just means leaving before 50% through?) - If you don’t listen to the recording of the confession at the end, but do everything else, the final chase doesn’t start and you have the option of just leaving the town and selecting the culprit, weapon, and a photo for the paper. It resulted in a lower score though, and there was a response to the article asking if I was sure I had all the right information, even though I responded the way I had when I received a perfect game.
yess tea + intriguing mystery with gab = cozy evening let's go 🥰
I know that I'm super late on this one but my heart breaks for Trisha and Scott. Like they took the brunt of the consequences done by their predecessors.
Scott had a rough childhood, growing thinking he doesn't have his true blood relatives, being bullied, learning that his mother, not only died but was killed and that you can't be with the one you love because you're related, being framed for killing someone you did not, your father not knowing anything and being mad at you, and not being able to explain things to Trisha.
Then we have Trisha who is basically kept in the dark (intentionally and unintentionally) by the people she trusts and loves. The only mistake that she did was love someone who she legally and morally can't.
The fact that Scott wasn't able to explain things to Trisha is really heartbreaking for me. It means she died not knowing why Scott suddenly distanced himself from her. I mean, her mind must have created multiple reasonings for it. To think that she died, believing that Scott do not care and love her anymore is just unfair.
And all of this happened because of that stupid belief that only a son can continue the name of the family.
*Because Charles cheated on Vivian!
@@liawatson5789Yes, but also it started with Magdalene’s obsession with having a grandson to carry the name which created a rift in Vivian and Charles’ marriage even before he cheated. If Scott had been a girl, I don’t think he would’ve cared as much (because the whole point was to hide Sofia’s pregnancy because it was a boy).
I bought this game because I enjoyed watching you play the first part. I got to the end and my heart was racing so bad! such a cool game. I expected the ghost. but not the ending...
2:23:38 I FUCKING KNEW ITTTT!!! For some stupid reason when she pushed the button on the lamp to reveal it needed a key I jumped out of my damn skin expecting dude to be right behind her! And when she went to use the key something felt off as she listened to the tapes I couldn’t pay attention bc I was waiting for foot steps…. Literally screaming in my head to look around. Now I’m paused hiding in the comments cuz I really didn’t want to be right. Lol
You've probably already seen the end of the game now, but you actually can't move while listening to the tape (or any of the voice messages in general), as the camera locks once it begins playing. It definitely adds to the spook-factor, because I so desperately wanted to start running when I heard that final tape.
@@JoHasIssues Yes! as he starts confessing you get the feeling he has to be in town too. Not to mention you notice someone's living in Scotts cabin because there's water on the counter and the fresh flowers on the grave. And then he starts talking about the other detective, it's so spooky. When I hears the door and the footsteps I got so spooked omg.
@@milacruz3970 There's also a REALLY early tell-tale sign that they're still in the village....Key UNDER the pot is said in like 3 notes from all vllagers....When we arrive it's ON TOP of a pot.
Also we are able to pick up a bunch of bibles throughout the game...All if not most are face up.
All of the bibles inside his bedroom are face DOWN. Every single one. Guilt. Deeeeep deeeeep guilt and shame for becoming into what they have and not being able to push away the feverish need for revenge and covering-up. They've killed 3 people by now, what's another person? And better yet, when that person isn't even remotely related to them?
Really messed up and sad - this whole game is a tragedy lol!
Dang imagine a priest actually committing an unforgivable sin just to take revenge for someone
I got absolutely absorbed by this gameplay since part 1, so happy yo uploaded the continuation. It was such an intriguing story. 💖
damn all these people had to die just because a politician couldn’t keep it in his pants
exactly!!! the way the game put more emphasis on the actions and consequences of vivian and the others for what happened BOILS me lol. so many people were killed just because /one/ man didn't have the frigging spine to stand up for his wife to his own mother, and chose to "find comfort" in his young employee-while his wife was recovering from a c-section and having a mental breakdown from the news she couldn't bear another child. the mayor is so horrid and i hate that everyone (even the game, as evident in the ending's notes) seems to casually brush past that and only focuses on the others' wrongdoings.
from what i see, these were all the consequences of the choices made by charles. the fact that he ended up alone and miserable was very much deserved. the part he wrote in his diary where he asked if losing his whole family was the punishment for his affair? the answer is a resounding YES lmao
and honestly, sofia wasn't all that innocent too. she knew charles was a married man, yet still chose to sleep with him. she was so shameless about it too and describing it as her dreams coming true (she mentioned in her letter to matthew her dream was to not be poor when she grew up. so by managing to carry a male in her womb, she would be accepted into charles's family, thus becoming rich). she did not have a single remorse about her part in the affair and all because she wanted to be rich. she didn't even think about how it would affect anyone, it was all just about her. her death-despite being murdered-was not at all sad to me. i only feel bad for scott as he had to grow up without a mom and that's it.
@@hamimahanuar I think the ending article explains it pretty well. Everyone made the choices they thought best, they just weren't the right ones. Vivian could've confronted Charles, but she went to Sofia. She could've confronted her mother-in-law and Charles about the son inheritance thing, but instead she assassinated her.
It's all hindsight.
@@hamimahanuar this is the worst reading of course she didnt wanna be poor who would ? she was a victim too its not like vivian had to murder her she was selfish esp by your logic its not like she wouldve been poor everyone made bad decisions but pretending sofia was some awful person who doesnt deserve sympathy is rly awfulvivian deserves less sympathy vivian CHOSE to kill her instead of confronting her unfaithful husband n shitty mil
@@tensugarcubes frankly speaking, i couldn't care less what you think. it's been 7 months since i wrote that comment and i still stand by what i said. charles is hands down the most awful person in this game whose willful acts and decisions led to a huge catastrophe of everybody else's lives BUT sophia? she's still very much horrible too. is she as bad as the others? no. but is she still nasty? yes. yes she is. her being murdered does not excuse or diminish her part that caused the whole problem. she literally does not have remorse or empathy for anyone else but herself, yet you expect me to extend that empathy to her character? no thank youuu. you can do all that if you want, i honestly do not care. not me, though.
@@hamimahanuarAre you kidding, they’re all adults. Vivian isn’t a child who was lead astray. She was stressed by her step mother so she poisoned her. She realized sofia bore the child of Charles and killed her to protect herself. Charles sucks but he’s not a monster. He didn’t kill anyone unlike so many characters in this game. It’s wild to criticize Charles’s affair more than Vivian killing Sofia which is probably what actually got everything started.
I played this years ago & was one of the people that LOVED the ending. Some complained that it was out of the blue & not like the rest of the game so they hated it. It's a game I can't play a second time so it was a joy to see the panic on your face when you heard Matthew locking the church door.
My jaw is on the floor!...I loved watching this series so much!!! That ending was incredible and I hope they make more games like this!
yes! ive been on tenterhooks waiting for the ending of this playthrough! thank you for posting so quickly youre playthrough of games like these are always so comforting!
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I guessed it was Matthew from the beginning! Or at least, from when we learned that Vivian, Henry, and Andrew all had a hand in killing Sofia and all then died in mysterious circumstances. The relationship between Matthew and Sofia was very prominent in a lot of his writing to show how close they were and the fact that Matthew would do anything for her.
LOVED this game so much!! Had the VOD playing while I was working and was so excited for the YT upload so I could pay attention. This game really had me hooked!
I was having just a super unpleasant panic attack last night so I put this series on bc I knew I couldn't fall asleep without listening to someone talking. just a little thank you bc I managed to get some rest & I'm feeling a bit better today ❤
Been super excited for this since part 1. Thank you for playing and introducing me to this game it is super interesting and right up my alley !!! Have a fantastic weekend 😊
I watched this in bits and pieces, and I looked forward to coming back to each time. The aura of mystery, the pleasant music, and the way all the characters stories intertwined together kept me intrigued throughout the playthrough. It really seems the developers worked very hard towards connecting the story together in a feasible way without it becoming too convoluted along the way.
What a fantastic game to bad there was so much suffering and pain for both Vivian and Sophia both died tragically. And their children too such a shame that these two young people didn't get a chance to live a full and happy life . Although there is one thing that I would have liked to know for sure is if Bernard really killed Scott . It was hinted at but not confirmed plus what else did Derek know . I would have liked to know that has well other than that this was a really good game thanks for sharing .
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I was on a Steam page last night where the developers were interacting with comments/reviews/questions, and someone asked for clarification on that and the developers did confirm it was Bernard who killed Scott
@@Miggy_Farrr Thanks for clearing that up for me
I'm curious, what made you think it wasn't Bernard? :o
Not only was Magdelene pressuring Charles and Vivian to have another kid, for it to be a boy, but Vivian's fears about Sofia's child being a boy were completely founded and valid because Charles' will said EVERYTHING would go to that son if he died. Exactly what Vivian was scared of. So not only was Charles at fault for having an affair WHILE HIS WIFE WAS HOSPITALIZED but he also furthered her pain and fear by writing in his will that a boy would receive everything, including everything Vivian had built during her life
that's all very true, however we can't just ignore Sofia's part in everything as well. She obviously was quite aware that Charles was married, but she wanted to "not be poor" so much that she was willing to have an affair with a married man, while his wife was in hospital. She did not deserve to die, definitely not, however everyone seems to be forgetting that affairs involve both parties, and Sofia knew the truth (that he was married) and did it anyway.
@@thepagesofsamanthaI was thinking the same when I was playing the game, I had to try hard to stay sympathetic towards Sophia because the only things we read in her diary were "I won't have to be a housemaid anymore" and "I almost feel like Dorothea's boss", no thoughts about Vivian and Trisha. Being an orphan who lands a job working as a maid in a mansion isn't that tragic of a story that I would sympathize with that level of egoism. Especially because it was pointed out to us that a lot of men were after her because she was so pretty, she had choices.
Gab at the morgue: Can we open all of this?
me: pls no no no no no no no
Gab: thank god we can't.
To say that I was relieved is an understatement.
can’t wait to watch this fully! i fell asleep watching the vod and woke up in a panic at ~2am when the ending music kicked in and there was ghost talk 😅
Man, this is so heartbreaking. I think I need a month just to process the weight of these tragedies.
I never completed this game because I was too scared - no joke. I basically got to the 95% mark and then chickened out, because I had heard that there was an abrupt and tense ending sequence. There's this phenomenon I've experienced in games - one for which I don't believe a term has been coined: If a game has an empty environment without human models, I sort of build up a paranoia of what would happen should one suddenly appear. Painscreek is kind of a perfect example of this, given that Matthew only appears after 6-10 hours of gameplay. Sofia's erratic appearances don't help, haha.
Anyways, I've just completed Scene Investigators with a friend this week, and due to a few easter eggs, had an itch to dive back into Painscreek and see what I was missing. This playthrough was a joy to watch. Holy crap Gab, you are insanely smart. A lot of the things you naturally picked up on took me 2-3x the time to piece together. It's probably because also because I had a literal notebook I was writing that was putting the timeline in chronological order. Not the most efficient strategy it seems, haha.
I jumped so hard when i played and that church door locked. I turned it off and watched this video to know how it ends😅
Omg I'm so glad you played this! 5mins into watching the first part I was like "I'm gonna enjoy this more if I play it rather than watch" I've now been running around painscreek for 4hrs trying to figure it all out. Once I've finished the game I'm going to come back and watch you play it to see how you go! I'm so excited! If there are anymore games out there like this let me know! It's so fun!
Check out Return of Obra Dinn! One of my all-time favorite games
I finally beat the game and came back to watch the rest! Now I'm trying to imagine what that ending would have been like if I'd stayed oblivious to the ghost for the whole game. I didn't even see her on the way to the well.
I wonder if Stephen never noticed her presence because when he visited, Painscreek still had people in it?
Thanks for sharing your journey through this game with us. :)
That was awesome! Thanks for going back and checking out some of the things that were obviously missed. I feel like this would've been the logical stopping point for me as well.
i loooved the first part of this game, i’m so excited. i’m so invested :’)
I decided not to watch this until I played this game for myself, and I'm so glad I did! This game was a fantastic play.
After I watched the 1st video of this playthrough, I was impatient and watched the VOD, I was so mesmerized by the story and trying to connect the storyline together with you! Oof that was a journey & the ending truly caught me off guard in a good way!
After you posted the first video I went to your Twitch to see the ending so I have already watched this but am totally going to watch it anyway
Such an amazing game and playthrough, hope to see more of these types of games for spooky season!
46:47 That sudden void of no music was quite suspenseful. Like did it glitch or were the game developers trying to mess with us?
Me going thru the comments to see if there are any jumpscare during this part 🥹🥹🥹
Came here to catch up after watching Scene Investigations, I did not expect such a detailed and long story. Seems like a perfect game for people who love to check every corner for secrets in games.
Hey Gab! I once recommended this game a while back, and I am super glad you played it. I don't know if it was my recommendation or a culmination of other requests for this playthrough that made you play it but I think it's super cool that you gave this game a try. It's always been a favorite of mine and I'm glad it's getting more recognition. I'm aware that you finished it a few months ago, I had meant to watch the videos when they dropped, but my pet had passed away and I have been in a grieving phase. But I just finished watching your playthrough and it made me feel much better today. Thanks for being one of the best gaming channels out there! ❤️
I wonder how Matthew found out we were in town? We’re a reporter/journalist and wanted to solve this unsolved murder and at the start of the game, the letter we receive is dated 1999, which means this case has been dead for 4 years and Matthew hasn’t been in town since he left. So how did he know we were here?? Maybe he saw it online if we’re apart of a reporter company. Hmm..
I think in the beginning the reason we are there is because things are going to be auctioned off. I am sure the killer would come back after hearing the news. Idk just my idea, doesn't really explain how he would know someone is there to investigate.
we see fresh flowers on sofia's grave near the beginning, and since the matthew was pretty much in love with her, it's not that far fetched to say that he probably came to town often to visit her. also pretty sure the car near the cemetery was probably matthew's. maybe the reporter just came on the wrong day 🤣
@@starrrfruit yeah I got that after finishing it looool. He had to come every week or so to replace the flowers and the reporter was there on the wrong day.
This is one of the best games I’ve ever seen!! Maybe that’s just me being bias since I looove murder mysteries but man I wish more games had this idea/premise/story buildup. So good.
Man i just accepted an invitation to a party right before i saw the ending was uploaded. Can't wait to come back, drink my cup of tea and chill with Gab.
i can never get over the drawers rawring everytime upon opening lmaooo
Very good game. I honestly felt that it was slow-churning at the very start, but as you kept finding more and more of the diaries, layers and layers of the story starts to expose itself. That alone kept me stuck 'til the end.
Great Playthrough! You were asking why Trisha couldn't inheret; well given that the babies were born in the 70's I'm not surprised that the Brooks family would uphold the value of the male heir, most wealthy people did back then and I assume that was one of the conditions imposed on Charles to inheret.
I feel so bad for Scott. I wonder if the papers you didn't find revealed more about the discussion he had Vivian, I wonder if thats how he found about everything and among other things Vivian was like "you need to dissappear or my daughter won't inheret"
I also believe that Vivian resented Scott because of Magdalene's approval of him, and repudiation of her due to her humble background.
i was so anxious to see the ending i watched the whole stream on twitch before this upload and every time you missed something or like had a key you forgot about i was like screaming at my phone screen like “GO BACK THERES ANOTHER DOOR”
Woah, this was such a good game! I really enjoyed watching it.
I watched the rest on Twitch already and the anxiety was REAL at the end ;(( ahhhhhh
i couldnt wait so i went to your twitch , saw u already finished it and watch the 5 hour stream. Didnt miss a second i was so into it hahaha. glad the stream can be replayed since im not familiar with twitch lol
After seeing you get to the "endgame" portion, I'm honestly glad I never made it that far in the game. Too scary for me. Thank you for an entertaining stream!
I was too impatient, so also watched full game on twitch, loved the game and also your humor made it twice better.
I have come back to watch this multiple times it is such a unique experience. I really hope we get another game like this from this team ❤❤
So many plot twists! I didn't exactly expect the ending, which I guess is a good thing.
Such an interesting game. I might have to play it myself now. This was so much fun to watch.
This mystery was such a cool one, I was at the edge of my seat basically the entire time! Thanks for the entertainment Gab!
What an amazing game! I love that it doesn't feel the need to hold the player's hand but rather lets them explore and put all the pieces of the puzzle together!
Watched the stream I hope you get around to picking up all the loose ends and get those achievements I would love to see it!
In all of this mess, Trisha was truly the only innocent soul. She was the biggest collateral of it all, so sad for her.
Spoilers incoming
Everyone else pretty much made themselves some kind of guilty.
*Scott* ,is probably the only one i can sympathize with bc he was oblivious to almost the end of it, he's guilty of not having a real talk with trisha about everything when he finally realized the truth (which was considerably before vivian was offed) but he was going through it as well so i can partially understand why he wasn't ready to talk to her yet and then the whole thing happened.
*Andrew, Dr. Johnson* obviously trash.
*Matthew* deserves to go to jail, because what he did was terrible and intentional. I can't say though, that i wasn't feeling with him. i do also suspect he is to blame for trishas death, he is the only one that visited trisha when she was in the hospital and he came three times. the last one was in december, maybe to inform her about scotts death. a few weeks later, the hospital rooftop was magically open. idk maybe the accident part was not planned, but i wouldnt really put it besides him to use the power of suggestion in her state.
*Bernard* obviously also trash. The dude is an obsessive stalker, who because of his dellusions or misunderstandings just told charles that vivian had an affair, when she did not. The banker is the same as this art gallery dude that helped vivian with the art event she wanted to hold with oliver, trisha and stuff, so they were talking bussiness deals. So y'all got it all wrong, bc Vivian did not have an affair and even if she had an affair, this would have been 1994/5, so twenty years after the affair charles was having. I'm saying that bc i think there was a misunderstanding in the conclusion, i think evelyn went out of the game thinking that vivian just had an affair and that it was shortly after her husband had one with sofia and they could have just divorced. but that is not what happened. Apart from that bernard is esp trash because he offed scott!
*Derrick* :i mean the f. this dude was the alibi for scott and he just lied, bc he wanted trisha for himself. wtf. he took away the last chance of healing and future for scott, trisha and himself.
Coming to *Vivian* :She is guilty and shitty that's for sure. Sofia's death was accidental, but magdalenas was intentional. However i also think she is a victim. what they have done to her, the way she was treated, was so unbelievably nasty and disgusting, that whilst i think she deserved big jail time, i still can't see her as a villain. She marries charles, shortly after her vile mother in law demands an heir, male of course bc she's a sexist (as if her daughter in law wasn't the evidence of a competent, successful, and passionate businesswoman, as if vivian wasn't the one that not only carried the roberts company success which she rebuilt from the ground after the accident but also carried her husbands political career on her back), so she gets pregnant. has a miscarriage (first trauma), has a healthy daughter which should be something great but second trauma bc no doubt the mom in law was chewing her out for not having a son (as if you can influence it like in the sims with eating three apples), then she had to be operated bc of a complication after the pregnancy (that is bodily trauma), which resulted in her not being able to have kids anymore (biggest trauma). just think this in of itself would cause a depression, which she had and had to be treated for. she would feel sad, desperate, guilty her world destroyed, as if she failed as woman, wife and mother as if she's defective. Now, what could make this already shitty situation even worse? Exactly a mother in law, that wanted a grandson apparently doesn't like her granddaughter or thinks she is worth it, didn't get one and will never get one, bc the wife is not able to have kids and therefore a male heir anymore. And you just know that this woman was one of those that caused vivian to feel like something defective. and i mean the minute the male heir was there, she literally just said that they can get on the family register, charles changed his whole testament to his son. it was as if his first and "real" family wasn't there anymore. wife and daughter both worthless. so can you really blame vivian for being furious, feeling threatened and anxious about the male heir thing, when she was basically conditioned into caring for that? and i mean was she wrong about the fear of them wanting to replace her? also nope, as one of the first things charles did, is to change the testament and documents only considering his on. But wait the trauma doesn't end there for her. What happened when she was in treatment for her depression?
Exactly her nasty husband *Charles* started an affair with a newly hired maid that also was taking her of his newborn daughter, and then impregnated her. what kind of scum can you be? this dude marries and not even like 2-4 years later, the daughter at most one year old, he *cheats* whilst his wife is treated because of severe depression bc she cant have kids anymore etc. and this asshole instead of supporting her, begins an affair with not only an employee but with the maid that takes care of this newborn daughter he had!! And then as the cherry on top he has a child with her which then to make the irony complete, is a boy. and in all this time whilst vivian is being treated, is feeling alone, unloved, worthless etc. he is not there for her, the staff is being made to accomplices regarding the affair. with dorothy taking the cake of taking fully care of pregnant sofia whilst vivian is rotting. i think it's responsible and good that sofia is being taken care of but you know the only reason is because she carries the son. plus again whilst they "take responsibility" after the affair for sofia, they don't for vivian. I'm honestly so gutted how charles could have treated his wife like this and everyone else was happily enabling it. instead of supporting his wife in this difficult times, he gets this whole shit going. Instead of supporting her from the outside bc she isn't ready to see him (yet), sending letters, sending flowers, taking care of his daughter and most importantly standing up for his family against his mother, he does all of the things i said above and then without trying, has given up on their marriage. vivian should have confronted charles not sofia.
*Sofia* is shitty, but what happened to her was so tragic and sad, it was an accident but still vivian directed her anger towards the wrong person. i get that of course she didn't want to leave because she rebuilt the company from the grounds, it was her effort that got this success after the accident , not charles or madgalenas. Plus she is through marriage part of the family and apparently wanted to hold onto that because of stupid pride. So of course she didn't want to be the one to leave, just so "the mistress can take over only bc of the son". still of course, she deserved jail for madgalena and the accident of sofia like the rest of them deserved for their crimes. however yeah you can't tell me that charles was not a villain, only a victim that commited a spur of the moment mistake. if all those ppl are hold accountable, he can't be the only one whose action is then trivialized as some mistake, as if he's an unassuming, passive party in this (which literally only can be said about trisha). i mean karma came through but why through those innocent kids suffering? couldn't just he have "suffered" without any of this happening to sofia, and co. if you think about it, charles never took responsibility for anything. not for his marriage, not for his family, not for himself, not for his affair, not for his illegitimate child. when sofia was gone, he never really tried to find her. it's like he replaces vivian and trisha for sofia and vincent and when sofia was gone suddenly, he's like "oh well, back to first family" and doesn't even need to take care of the mess he created, bc sofia magically took her son and disappeared. like scott said, i pity the ignorant.
oh my god yes! you seriously put all my thoughts into words. i agree with everything you said. it's so satisfying to read your comment from start to finish. you really nailed it right on the head
Tbh i blame Charles for everything.
The dude got on an affair while his wife was recovering from giving birth 🤦♀️🤦♀️
Thinking today would be a bad day...then I see Gab posted a new video and the world feels good again!
Man! Such a good game! it seems like the devs are working on another like someone else in the comments said and Ive already wishlisted it. I remember playing this and was blown away. I literally reacted the same way when I played it!! how fun! Thanks Gab!
I will say I'm glad I decided to play this game for myself, because I was able to complete everything "in the right order", like I got the stuff in the stump and unlocked all the safes and all that stuff before the final ending, which was much more satisfying for me to experience. I do appreciate Gab playing this though, because I found a great game out of it, and love going on these "adventures"/"investigations" with her. thanks for the fun time Gab!!
All through out the story I couldn't help but feel sorry for Scott. The other characters suffered too, but he was born out of wedlock and had a chance to come to good money. His father was willing to take care of him and his mom (Sofia) discreetly, Magdalene would have loved him just because he was a boy. But instead, his mom was killed and her death covered up. They just threw her body into a well like some trash, leaving Scott to find it one day and bury it.
His childhood was spent at the orphanage, then other kids bullied him to the point of throwing rocks and wounding him. His best friend stopped talking to him because of a love triangle, and then decided to keep him as the main suspect, which eventually led to his death, instead of clearing his name. The girl he fell in love with turned out to be his half-sister, and he had to cut her off without even telling her the truth. He was wrongly accused of being a murderer. He was killed based on these accusations. His relationship with his adoptive father turned strained because of all the secrets. Poor boy.
One thing that felt a bit disconnected was Father Matthew's "confession", where he did not mention Scott at all. I expected him to at least mention his name, something like how he misses him or how he didn't deserve to die. To me it felt like Matthew cared deeply for Scott and so the fact that the game pretty much doesn't mention Scott for the rest of the gameplay from when we learnt about Bernard killing him was a bit off, like we just forgot he existed.
One more thing, Vivian wasn't all that nice, like some people in the comments pointed out. She still conspired with the doctor and killed her mother in law, she knew about Scott, she decided to take out her anger on Sofia and never felt guilty. Next to her, Charles' affair doesn't seem like the worst thing in that family.
Overall, I liked the game, but I do wish there were a few more intense scenes instead of just one at the end. In that sense, I prefer The Su***de of Rachel Foster, because it was a bit more creepy. The two are similar in my opinion. I liked these types of murder mystery/horror games more than the typical jumpscare ones like Outlast or 5 Nights At Freddy's.
Same. I felt awful for that poor kid. Vivian can go fuck herself, I have no pity. I also found it VERY odd Matthew didn't mention Scott when he clearly loved him so much.
What great character analyses, especially in laying out the tragedy of Scott’s life altogether! Father Matthew did seem to lose depth in the end, although his narrative was also tragic. I figured he just lost his mind completely and snapped.
And Vivian was a great example of complex character development here. Just ruthless. I also loved the touch of thoughtful supernatural without it being just ridiculous plot advances.
Some things I giggled about were how new items were added to the journalist’s “inventoy” and how Betty White was Magdalene. 😊
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I disagree with one aspect: Charles was willing to disinherit his wife and daughter immediately for a son born from an affair. That’s not exactly the same as wanting to take care of him. Vivian likely suffered of some form of post-partum depression and when she got home from the hospital she realised that her husband had cheated with the kids nanny and his mistress now was pregnant with the son she couldn’t „deliver“ for his precious family name. It’s not really surprising that she snapped at that point. Not that I condone murder, but really there are no good guys here. Everybody‘s kinda messed up. Trisha and Scott are the only ones of the main players who truly did nothing wrong and were just completely screwed by circumstances and the bad decisions of their families and friends.
@@Seldarius oh, I don't remember him actually saying he'd disinherit them. I probably got it twisted in my mind, I thought he wanted to support Scott financially and then one day maybe add him officially to his will or something. That is very messed up of him.
OMG I was so invested in this story. I hope their next game that is out next year is as good as this.