Fun fact: there was a bug in 1.0 where you can over charm and do a goofy thing to close menu while taking off the charm causes it to stay equipped without actually over charming and you can do it over and over again, which means in 1.0 you could equip literally every single charm
Someone's definitely pointed this out, but human players don't use mask binding anymore since it caps HP at 4, not 5. It's easier to use a 5 mask file.
It's interesting. I wouldn't think Glowing Gomb is that strong but I changed my mind after watching this. Cool choice! And thank you so much for the shoutout!!
@@MyPetCactus But wasn’t one of the speedrunners in the video using dream wielder? That dreamnail speed seemed really fast, but I haven’t played in a while so idk
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the only major issue with ur math is that flukes are only used for their ability to multi-hit. due to the game being broken, when an enemy moves into a fluke, the hitbox of the fluke persists allowing it to git multiple times. this is part of the reason the TAS is so much because it can manipulate how many multi hits it gets, so you could have underestimated the buff from shaman stone by a significant amount. great video nonetheless, keep it up
Great video. And I'd love a TAS with it. Just one thing you didn't account for on the damage values is multihitting. Base flukes does 60, but with it that number can skyrocket.
You can equip unlimited charms without overcharming in 1.0.0-1.0.2 which you can play by using a hard copy of the game on switch and now downloading the updates.
I took soo long to beat P5 and now i know that someone, with alot of time, beat the P5 in less than 20 minutes... I didn't even know that was possible lol
Theres not enough chapters for that much lol, would be funny if P-5 would an april fools update ehe it would be just P-2 and P-3 at the same time, also, my persona brainrot:
when he said excluding these charms when talking about general exploration, then removed wayword compass. it hurt, literally the most op charm in the game n he just dismissed it
i defeated p5 and even almost fully completed every pantheon bindings and bosses on radiant cuz silksong is almost done and i want to FULLY complete the game (by the way my build is: Mark of Pride, unbrokable strength, unbrokable health,(grubberfly elegy if radiant) and Quick slash.
also the biggest possible number that a boss can deal of damage is 8 masks, if get Overcharmed, go to the Nightmare King Grimm (or radiance) boss fight in ascended difficulty you'd take 8 masks of damage, the biggest theoretical damage is if you go to the radiant Nightmare King Grimm boss fight overcharmed you would take either 32 damage or a absurd number, depending either if the bosses on radiant deal 9 masks or, like, one billion masks
im not certain but im pretty sure (because i was messing around with and researching it while crying and banging my head against the wall that is p5) but grubberfly’s elegy does not actually allow one to double hit bosses and it makes me sad and lonely
It does, however the bosses hitboxes have to be completely unreasonably large (say, great moss clump for example) and sometimes even then you won't get a double hit.
Finished p5 some days ago! Really happy and proud of myself. Question: What should I do in hollow knight now while waiting for silksong??? I have all achievements besides steel soul 100% but working on that right now 😅
Might I recommend doing some randomizers? Really easy to set up, just download Scarab mod downloader and it's straight sailing from there. Very interesting way to play the game if you feel like you've had enough of the base content
@@MyPetCactus Yeah I know about randomizers, I have watched people play them and they look really fun. But I'm really, really sad, because I wanted to download mods and the figured out that mods don't work on consoles (playing on xbox). I hope some day maybe for this christmas I get a computer, which is powerful enough to play hollow knight. But until then, mods aren't really an option. Thanks for responding and I really hope I didn't wasted your time. I really like your videos btw :)
my only problem with Glowing Garbage is the cost efficiency (? idk if thats the right term). youre giving up some slots which you spent on Glowing Garbage which you couldve spent on something potentially more viable - the only way i would agree that Glowing Garbage could be "optimal" in any way is if i was shown a proper demonstration on how every single charm combination (besides the evident bad ones) impacts DPS during a run of P5 and how Glowing Garbage combinations compare to the rest. too lazy to do that tbh but i think it would be very interesting if someone did
Wait did the TAS and the human runner not already have shaman stone equipped? Or has the meta just changed a bunch since I last watched a pantheon speedrun?
@@Foxyrobo it's extremely busted, it should actually be pretty mid dealing only 80 damage with shaman stone but because hollow knight is really janky the hitbox for the flukes stays for like one second more than it should i'm not kidding i've seen it deal over 500 damage in one cast against galien
The point of the thought experiment is that we would be able to add the extra three charms for free, as in they wouldn’t cost any notches. Basically just adding onto the build we already use
Pantheon 5 uses Ascended arenas but Attuned HP values; your calculations are using ascended HP values, (example, Marmu would have 416 HP in Pantheon 5, not 600)
actually you can equip 11 charms equip the ten one charm notch charms and one other charm which would overcharm but like most of the charms that are one notch are not good or only helpful early game
No you are not only one! I think glitch happens there, because soul master is about to use rotating orbs attack, but player staggers him before he can do it properly, but attack still happens.
Well yes but no, if mods are taken into consideration the max damage you can do with a nail hit is actually 32000+ which the game reads 9999 most of the time. This is possible only by abusing mods and none other method. And yes it makes your game weird out even more.
Just a guess, but I would assume for the final phase, instead of straight up dying to the knight shes capped at one hp before she teleports to the center, so the final hit before the cutscene is what actually kills her
Tbh P5 is easier than all gods on radiant. I did all archievements in 120hours BUT all bosses RADIANT 50HOURS. So +50 hours just to unlock a stupid secret room
Minor correction: the damage bonus provided by fury of the fallen is 1.75 of the original nail damage. Great video, very interesting!
really i always thought it was 50% same as strength
@@averagetectonicplateenjoyer hollow knight wiki says 1.75
@@jeanyeap4229 i know i just checked
Yup i noticed that too
Huh thats knew knowledge, thx for telling
Fun fact: there was a bug in 1.0 where you can over charm and do a goofy thing to close menu while taking off the charm causes it to stay equipped without actually over charming and you can do it over and over again, which means in 1.0 you could equip literally every single charm
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How do I go back to 1.0
@@FreakyPattyDaddyOiledUp I think with PC you're able to go back patches (aka 1.0)
You can still do it, you just need to open the menu right as you die to the pit in P-1. It's just a slight bit harder to do now.
There were a lot of bugs in 1.0
Still are
Someone's definitely pointed this out, but human players don't use mask binding anymore since it caps HP at 4, not 5. It's easier to use a 5 mask file.
You’re telling me I could’ve had 5 masks for Markoth.
It's interesting. I wouldn't think Glowing Gomb is that strong but I changed my mind after watching this. Cool choice!
And thank you so much for the shoutout!!
Glowing Gomb
Glowing Gomb
Glowing Gomb
Glowing Gomb
Glowing Gorb
Or just play faster lol skill issue smh
So true 😔
Hi Blue
Three comments, i feel alone because of three comments in one comment in a comment in a comment on on a comment comment-
So glad I finished p5 only a few weeks ago! Glad to be part of the 4.2% of players!
Actually insane how many there are. Speaks for the determination of the playerbase.
I beat it when only 2.4 or 2.9% achieved the pantheon back in 2021, it was one of the best feelings I had ever for a game
That's crazy the longer a game is out the more copies are out so the percentage should get small but instead more people got gud
@@huecogrinding4804the longer the game is out, the more time older players have to retry challenges
4:26 Ain’t no way bro said shape of unn, quick focus & *DREAM WIELDER* aren’t useful in fights
Didn’t say that, they have their place in builds but they certainly aren’t good for pantheon speed runs
@@MyPetCactus Alr i guess that makes sense
@@MyPetCactus But wasn’t one of the speedrunners in the video using dream wielder? That dreamnail speed seemed really fast, but I haven’t played in a while so idk
Nice video! Comparing humans to TAS really shows how good humans have become over the years.
Beating Pantheon 5 truly feels like a once in a lifetime achievement
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There actually is a glitch in the base game that allows you to equip as many charms as you want
Yeah it’s not NMG for pantheon speedruns,
Also I don't think that glitch exists on any patch with godhome
@@finngardiner5358 actually it requires at least one pantheon open, and I’ve done it on current patch, on console
@@koalafiedgaming4738 oh must be a newer one i don't know about
How do you set it up
Bro the music at the start made me so nostalgic I got my old GameCube back out. I loved XD
Hell yeah!
the soul tyrant in the intro was so cursed. awesome vid nonetheless
Glowl womb with defenders charm work excellent together. They're like kamikaze bugs
I dont understand why you have less than 3k subscriber?? Your video are so good like i love it i dont get it HOWWWW only 3k you deserve so much more!!
YOUR BUILD NEEDS WAYWARD COMPASS
2:11 Can we get much higher? (so high) (so high)
BRO KNOWS THE SONG
I haven’t played or watched terraria yet. But I feel like the music is form it.
Haha, not this time! They do kinda sound like it though
Loved the video, great insight and a fun watch.
I LOOOVE the thumbnail! xD
Every single song used in the backtrack of the video were 10/10s for me
Nice shot of Pale Prince Ghost in the thumbnail.
the only major issue with ur math is that flukes are only used for their ability to multi-hit. due to the game being broken, when an enemy moves into a fluke, the hitbox of the fluke persists allowing it to git multiple times. this is part of the reason the TAS is so much because it can manipulate how many multi hits it gets, so you could have underestimated the buff from shaman stone by a significant amount. great video nonetheless, keep it up
Great video. And I'd love a TAS with it.
Just one thing you didn't account for on the damage values is multihitting.
Base flukes does 60, but with it that number can skyrocket.
What almost 5 years without Silksong does to a HK fan:
fury gives 75% damage not double
I am that hypothetical viewer
Doing gods work 🙏
thumbnail exactly how the knight felt when fighting worthless hornet
dude thsis looks so clean and professional, how do you have so few views? hope to see you grow!
Hollow knight video with pokemon music => peak content !
the damage was so high it turned hornet italic
I felt weirdly happy when you compliment my hypothetical question and patted me on my hypothetical head.
You can equip unlimited charms without overcharming in 1.0.0-1.0.2 which you can play by using a hard copy of the game on switch and now downloading the updates.
ime one of those 4%!.....kill me that was so fucking difficult
I took soo long to beat P5 and now i know that someone, with alot of time, beat the P5 in less than 20 minutes... I didn't even know that was possible lol
"Also known as P5." My ultrakill brainrot: 😶🌫
Theres not enough chapters for that much lol, would be funny if P-5 would an april fools update ehe it would be just P-2 and P-3 at the same time, also, my persona brainrot:
yoooo real cool video!!
Thank you for the congratulations, I will never beat P5
Good luck!
when he said excluding these charms when talking about general exploration, then removed wayword compass. it hurt, literally the most op charm in the game n he just dismissed it
i defeated p5 and even almost fully completed every pantheon bindings and bosses on radiant cuz silksong is almost done and i want to FULLY complete the game (by the way my build is: Mark of Pride, unbrokable strength, unbrokable health,(grubberfly elegy if radiant) and Quick slash.
also the biggest possible number that a boss can deal of damage is 8 masks, if get Overcharmed, go to the Nightmare King Grimm (or radiance) boss fight in ascended difficulty you'd take 8 masks of damage, the biggest theoretical damage is if you go to the radiant Nightmare King Grimm boss fight overcharmed you would take either 32 damage or a absurd number, depending either if the bosses on radiant deal 9 masks or, like, one billion masks
The highest dmg actually just flukenest + shaman stone, with proper set up it can deal whopping 300 dmg per cast
You can equip ALL charms without mods, you backdate to Hollow Knight 1.0.
im not certain but im pretty sure (because i was messing around with and researching it while crying and banging my head against the wall that is p5) but grubberfly’s elegy does not actually allow one to double hit bosses and it makes me sad and lonely
It does, however the bosses hitboxes have to be completely unreasonably large (say, great moss clump for example) and sometimes even then you won't get a double hit.
Cool video! ^^
4:58 I think you meant doubles not triples? It goes from 11 soul to 19 soul
my friend killed the giant fly that was attacking zote before it screamed and the game crashed
Good, don't save Zote, it saves you the stress of pantheon 3
@@N_Tertainment7 bro i had a considerably hard time with hornet, dont expect me to do the pantheon
Werid.
That is literally a speedrun strat.
@@N_Tertainment7leave him in deepnest, he gets to suffer for eternity :D
AbsRad: Why do I hear boss music?
Finished p5 some days ago! Really happy and proud of myself.
Question: What should I do in hollow knight now while waiting for silksong??? I have all achievements besides steel soul 100% but working on that right now 😅
Might I recommend doing some randomizers? Really easy to set up, just download Scarab mod downloader and it's straight sailing from there. Very interesting way to play the game if you feel like you've had enough of the base content
@@MyPetCactus Yeah I know about randomizers, I have watched people play them and they look really fun. But I'm really, really sad, because I wanted to download mods and the figured out that mods don't work on consoles (playing on xbox). I hope some day maybe for this christmas I get a computer, which is powerful enough to play hollow knight. But until then, mods aren't really an option.
Thanks for responding and I really hope I didn't wasted your time. I really like your videos btw :)
haha no issue! glad you enjoy :)@@FloatingVoid
The actual limit is 12 charms. Because there are 10, 1 notch charms, and you can overcharm to give you THE MAXIMUM amount
Is that Pokemon Colosseum I hear in the background?
Close!! XD Gale of Darkness. Although I guess its the same area and they might not have changed the song (I never played Colosseum)
Next video irl damage ceiling plz
Boring video, I’d just one shot everyone 😤
Vid idea: how many bosses can we one-shot?
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The thumbnail
I pat myself on the back :>
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my only problem with Glowing Garbage is the cost efficiency (? idk if thats the right term). youre giving up some slots which you spent on Glowing Garbage which you couldve spent on something potentially more viable - the only way i would agree that Glowing Garbage could be "optimal" in any way is if i was shown a proper demonstration on how every single charm combination (besides the evident bad ones) impacts DPS during a run of P5 and how Glowing Garbage combinations compare to the rest. too lazy to do that tbh but i think it would be very interesting if someone did
Nice video! It would be best if you can give put a link of the creater of the TAS in the description.
nice vid!
Great video!
Did you just give ut 9 more notches?
i finished p5 today!
Wait did the TAS and the human runner not already have shaman stone equipped? Or has the meta just changed a bunch since I last watched a pantheon speedrun?
Correct, when fluke strats were discovered runners started swapping shamanstone out. Charm is just that busted xD
@@MyPetCactus it must be really busted considering it's better than the best charm
@@Foxyrobo it's extremely busted, it should actually be pretty mid dealing only 80 damage with shaman stone but because hollow knight is really janky the hitbox for the flukes stays for like one second more than it should
i'm not kidding i've seen it deal over 500 damage in one cast against galien
he used me in the video, the video was wonderful
0:27 worst bug 💀
But wouldn't you miss out on both quick slash and Strengh in order to get soul eater and shaman stone? or did I get smth. wrong?
The point of the thought experiment is that we would be able to add the extra three charms for free, as in they wouldn’t cost any notches. Basically just adding onto the build we already use
@@MyPetCactus Then it makes sense. Thanks!
i like dealing lots of damage when i play hollow knight👽
Whats the mod that lets you equip all charms called ?
I believe it’s ‘infinite charm notches’, just search ‘charm’ in scarab mod loader and it should pop up.
Watching this waiting for silk song to come out 😔
i'm trying pantheon 5 i can confirm hollow knight is hard
Pantheon 5 uses Ascended arenas but Attuned HP values; your calculations are using ascended HP values, (example, Marmu would have 416 HP in Pantheon 5, not 600)
actually you can equip 11 charms equip the ten one charm notch charms and one other charm which would overcharm but like most of the charms that are one notch are not good or only helpful early game
A few hollow knight bosses are hard but its not much of a problem but p5 is hard af
I cant do pantheon 4😢😢😢
Best streamer imo
Someone should do a pantheon five speedrun hitless, sharp shadow only charm.
I’m insane I know :3
It's billy
sorry, but am I the only one who found the soul master clip in the beginning (around 25 seconds into the video) a bit strange??
No you are not only one! I think glitch happens there, because soul master is about to use rotating orbs attack, but player staggers him before he can do it properly, but attack still happens.
The fact you didn't include wayward compass in the best offense charms is outrageous
My bad 😭
First glowing womb is used for theoretical v3 and now for p5 where else is can this charm be "used"
doesn't glowing woomb interupt stagers when you're trying to dream nail tho?
no there actually called ""speedlosers"" fun fact: the average speedloser hasn't touched grass in 4 years and 3 months. real stat.
I do p5 and path of pain …. FOR FUN
I mean, yeah, I do sometimes 🤭
This is what git gud means
Markoth, Gpz and Abs Rad are the only hard bosses of p5
Welp time to sue.
Pog
I agree
Guys how can i find the 13:38 p5 tas
Oh frick my bad
bro never played hollow knight if he put glowing womb on the list
Just get flukerwarm,end
So true
I keep telling people glowing is best
nice
Neat
Well yes but no, if mods are taken into consideration the max damage you can do with a nail hit is actually 32000+ which the game reads 9999 most of the time. This is possible only by abusing mods and none other method. And yes it makes your game weird out even more.
Why does radiance have that one extra HP? That bugs me so much.
Just a guess, but I would assume for the final phase, instead of straight up dying to the knight shes capped at one hp before she teleports to the center, so the final hit before the cutscene is what actually kills her
@@MyPetCactus I kind of figured that was what it was but it's not really a reason to add that extra health
7:45 comes up with a theory but doesn't do the work to prove its viability...
Uh no offense but I watched this video because of the video cover… 😅
thats what thumbnails are for 😎
Tbh P5 is easier than all gods on radiant. I did all archievements in 120hours BUT all bosses RADIANT 50HOURS. So +50 hours just to unlock a stupid secret room
i can barley beat p3 because of ducking zote
theoretical ceiling of cheating to add 3.5 dps
People who used cheats to beat pantheon 5
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Is it just me or does his voice sound like AI? It’s hard to tell, but it just almost sounds like it might be AI and not the voice of a real person.
It doesn't. Imagine being so chronically online that you think a perfectly normal voice sounds like Ai