Honestly its not only Japanese influence that made this, Anarchy rainbow is basicly Samba and Fryes singing and design has alot of Indian Influence (I think) and it mixes so perfectly togehter its amazing.
You're absolutely right! I feel like when we learn more about Frye's lore, the way they integrated her background into their branding would make a lot more sense. Thanks for bringing this up! I thought maybe she had some Brazil in her as well. Really hope we get more information in the story mode.
@@DekuGamer as far as I understand Big Man is the Brazil part, Shiver is more Japanese inspired and Frye is Arabic/Middle Eastern inspired. That’s also a big part of the music, it’s a mashup of all three
The only thing I don’t like, and maybe this will change, is the fact that Deep cut announces updates for Splatfests from their studio, yet then it cuts to them performing on stage. I like how the old idols made the announcement on stage during Splatfests. I think it just adds to the world building.
That's a very good point! I didn't even notice that. Wow, that is really weird. It has to be something that's only in the demo because I doubt they leave that in for future Splatfests. Nice catch!
@@DekuGamer It would be harder on the first part with how the music is presented there. Three different stages, three different locations, it would need 3 different cameras and 3 different locations. 2nd part, would be doable but also need the screen behind them to show it off.
@@DevinDoingstuff To be fair, they already do 4 different camera angles when introducing a tricolor turf battle, since the teams of two spawn at four different parts of the map, so it wouldn’t be too hard to do with the idols as well.
Actually the japanese name for Deep cut is 「すりみ連合」(surimi rengo) and their logo 3 also looks like み.(mi) so theirs 3 み's so it's three mi →surimi you can even hear them saying su ri mi at the end of their radio. and the logo on shiver's fan is かまぼこ kamaboko its fish cake since their name is surimi.
Wow this is very cool! I did not know about the Japanese side of things so this is very interesting to learn. I'll have to check out when they say su ri mi as well! I learned about the design on Shiver's fan from another commenter. It's pretty cool to hear your perspective on these things since you have a much more thorough understanding of Japanese.
One thing I just absolutely adore about Deep Cut is how their music represents them. A mix of traditional Japanese, Indian, and Brazilian Funk(?) along with a more modern play on the former two is just SO GOOD! The use of different cultural instruments and rhythms in their solos really shine too, yet they still unify in such a special way.
I think the Squid Sisters’ set design is actually retroactively really good because of that lack of personality- it reflects their status as the most commercialized and least authentic group.
I love splatoon 3's new idols. Shiver, Frye and Big Man work really well off of each other. I love how well it is with the colors changed when the logo popped up. I also never that it was all over the set. It's really cool.
Yes! Shiver, Frye, and Big Man are awesome! The colors are used beautifully when the logo pops up. Glad you learned something from the video! Also, I love your username haha
Aww, thanks. The music and animation go so well together. Also, this name is for a reason. Dwane is better than paper and scissors anyways. If you don't get it, that's okay.
I love how you can also see the progression of detail. With every set design, it improves towards a more rich worldbuilding with more detail to reflect our world. Also curious if you see any graphic inspirations from Brazil? I only really notice the musical samba inspiration in their song after a few repeats.
Absolutely! Couldn't have said that any better. Everything has improved over time, and the contrast between the new set design and the old ones is night and day. You know, it's interesting that you bring that up because I thought the same thing. I didn't catch anything that could be Brazil inspired apart from maybe Frye's hair? Design wise, everything seems to heavily skew towards a Japanese theme, but maybe there's more details that I just didn't catch.
@@DekuGamer i’m pretty sure frye shows a lot of indian customs, like siting on a pillow than being covered by a small table and the music and voice is kinda close to cultural music in india
Yeah, I think Shiver is supposed to be Japanese, Frye is supposed to be Indian, and Big Man is supposed to be Brazilian. At least the notes in Anarchy Rainbow would suggest this.
@@sethfeldpausch4337 Not only that, but a small fun fact is that while every other language has Big Man say something short that's translated i.e "Ay! (Hello!)", In the Portuguese direct we didn't have that. He spoke naturally. It could be a coincidence or just that they didn't bother as Splatoon isn't translated to Portuguese, but it could be interpreted as it being his mother language or something similar
Idk I think it’s strange how much it leans towards the traditional Japanese motifs specifically. Shiver’s design clearly shows Japanese influences, but the music and other band members show a much more culturally diverse brand. My first impression of Deep Cut during the reveal was that they were a chaotic melting pot of different cultures. I wish the Brazilian and Indian origins of Big Man and Fraye had gotten at least a reference in the set and logo designs. Maybe there’s lore behind this and Shiver is like the founder or something but it’s bizarre how the music and set design tell two different stories.
Absolutely. You make a very good point. And now that you mention it, the music and the rest of the brand feel like two separate entities. It's honestly interesting to see how this is all playing out. I heard somewhere that Big Man's background is a traditional dance teacher, so maybe Frye's backstory makes her the music producer? That would answer the heavy Indian/Brazilian vibes in the music. It really is disappointing that Indian and Brazilian influences are exclusive to the music. I'm looking forward to seeing how their influence plays out in the story mode.
Disagree. There’s Indian design, music, clothing elements to be observed within Deep Cut. (Can’t comment on the Brazilian side of things though.) Frye sitting on a floor pillow almost in a butterfly stretch is very Indian. Her dance moves and singing are very traditionally Indian. The shawls she and Shiver wear seem to be inspired by dupattas/chunnis more than anything Japanese, and her fit is totally modernized Patiala pants with a choli top. I would even argue that Sh and Fr’s headpieces and jewelry can be attributed to Indian culture more than Japanese culture, since Indian “lavish looks” (eg party wear, festive wear, wedding wear) often place hella emphasis on earrings and head jewelry. You could even argue that the Deep Cut logo is kind of like a Dharma wheel.
From the look of Frye's design it looks like a mixture of traditional Japanese and possibly modern Indian. I've also noticed some Brazilian festival when big man is on screen, and some subtle hints of American culture in the plaza
really detailed, though i had hoped you could cover some of what the music has to offer in its other influences outside of japanese culture that others have picked up on, but there's a lot to digest visually with the group. great video! i'm not an expert on japanese food either, but to me, Shiver's fan design reminds me of a type of kamaboko that's a semi-circle shape on top of a small wooden board, and if that's the case of the design, it would tie into their group's name in japanese: Surimi Rengō, or Surimi Union. that's me just speculating, though!
Yeah I honestly didn't cover the music because I don't feel like I would add anything new to the conversation with my background in graphic design. I think next time I will acknowledge things like that though because it really is a big part of the branding. That's very interesting. Kamaboko is almost the exact shape! You could be on to something with your speculation as well. You know so much about this franchise, that I'm literally always learning something new from you haha. Thanks for the feedback, and glad you enjoyed the video!
I know this has nothing to do with the video, but I just realized this now. I actually think the splatoon 3 idols ARE going to be in the story mode. If you look closely in their introduction, you can see a rocket behind them, the same exact rocket that's in the story mode trailer. AND if you look even closer behind them(in the trailer with their masks on still), the sky is the same fake sky, made up of triangles. I'm guessing the trailer introduction is actually going to be ingame, they'll be introducing themselves in the snowy area with the rocket to the new agent 3. I'm even more exited now!
Yeah that's what I thought too! They seem to be in the same place as the hero mode trailer for sure. I hope it does play out how you've said because that would honestly be so awesome! Really excited to see the single player campaign now!!
I had really noticed how well blended tradition and modernity were in your design but this definitely made me understand it all better and you really made me see a lot of things I had overlooked. Thank you and good work uwu
adding to the color scheme, the branding is more noticeable (and memorable) because instead of the usual green/blue-green/pink, we get a NEW SET OF COLORS!! i love the green and pink combo but it is super nice to switch it up to something different- yellow and royal blue
You're right! The yellow and vibrant blue work so well together, and stand out a LOT from the other colors of the previous idols. Much more memorable like you said. Thanks for bringing that up!
Pretty sure Shiver represents Japanese culture, she literally carries herself like a Geisha. And Frye, seems to me, like she represents Indian culture... That's one of the main reasons the song actually sounds like a festival theme
Yes of course. Each character represents a different culture. And the song, (especially when hearing the isolated versions in the splatfest themes) makes a strong case for it. Thanks for bringing it up
The moment you mentioned how the logo looks like the design you see on taiko drums, it dawned upon me that at 0:54 the ring around the float/stage is reinforcing that japanese motif cause it's a reference to the mytholgical thunder god Raijin which he is mostly depicted with that same style ring. Very cool detail! While I agree this idol group has the strongest branding, I still have a soft spot for Off the Hook's branding cause it reminds me of watching MTV when I was younger lol.
Wow that is fascinating! My mind is blown just how exact it is to the stage design. Very nice catch, I never knew about that! The amount of depth to their branding is surreal. Yeah, every idol group brings something unique to the table, and Off the Hook is one of a kind for that. I remember watching MTV too when I was a kid, I was a huge fan of hip hop and music videos haha I never realized that could be why I like Off the Hook so much
I love Frye:^( I like yellow but no one else does, and people would sooner settle with the basic fringe cut idol than like someone with explosive self expression. People need to lay off her forehead (and leave room for me on there) fr tho her shape language is perfect.
Also i like how they switched form the pink and green to the primary colors it’s quite nice no one could ever replace my love for off the hook their aesthetic and designs just reached me personally but deep cut is a close second also deep cut isn’t just traditional japanese going off their song the splatoon dance in the live stream and Frye as a whole Brazil seems to be also a huge aesthetic they’re using to they are a ethnic fusion group also these are the most expressive idols we’ve gotten so far
Thank you so much! That really means a lot. The little details in Splatoon are so information rich! So happy to know you liked my editing style as well. Thank you for subscribing!! :D
You could be right! Didn't even think of that but it would make a lot of sense to have a double entendre like that. Nice catch! Thanks for bringing that up
I never comment on videos but I absolutely loved watching your videos about breaking down the Splatoon graphics. I've been fascinated by Splatoons concept as well and wanted to learn more about it, so it's really satisfying watching your detailed explanation. The researching and editing must’ve taken a ton of time so you did an incredible job. I hope to see more kinds of these videos, and learn from your graphic design knowledge as well (: Thank you!
Thank you so much! Your kind words really mean a lot to me. I'm so happy that you enjoyed my video and the way I present information. Really, that's a huge compliment. These videos do take long to plan, research, and edit, but it honestly doesn't feel exhausting to me. I'm super passionate about design, Splatoon, and TH-cam so it's a win for me haha. I will continue making these graphic design videos as long as people are interested. And thank you for being interested!
great video, and i realise a lot of the comments are mentioning frye being indian (backed up by the music as you can hear what i think to be a sitar in the backing track, as well as her clothing as i do think the baggy pants have a more indian feel than Japanese), but something ive never heard people talk about is that big man is basically confirmed to be Brazilian, feel free to check it yourself, but the splatoon wiki has a section about languages, in every translation of the game he says some sort of thing based on either manta or ray, such as english saying ay ay, which is then translated in brackets afterwards, except for Portuguese, where he has no translation and literally just speaks normally. normally id say thats just a quirky translation where the Portuguese team couldnt be bothered to do it right lol, but combining the samba esq music in his theme and in anarchy rainbow, along with the other two being based off different cultures and that tying into their music, its pretty safe to assume big man is Brazilian
Once again, amazing! I really love these insights, and you present them in an entertaining and exciting way. I support you! I'll be expecting your next video, I know you don't disappoint ;)
Thank you so much! That really means a lot. I try my best in every video to present the information as entertaining as I can. I really appreciate your comment. It helps motivate me so much!
Can I just say how I love how big mans color is grey, which grey is great at making other colors pop out like, u know, yellow and blue, just like how big mans is usually the one in the back making frye and shiver look better especially on the stage 0:49 and in this drawing of them 3:02. also in the music, like anarchy rainbow, big man is the tenor and his part on the song is also meant to be underneath frye and shiver singing making them sound better, just like the colors and how he is presented on stage and in the picture. I thought that was pretty cool and it was something you didnt talk about
That's a great point! Him being grey is a great character design trait. To add to what you said, he's often a backdrop for Shiver and Frye so that the contrast you mentioned is even stronger. Him being the background of the song as well is incredibly clever! I didn't notice that. Really makes me appreciate him more as a character. Thanks for mentioning all of this!
Not to mention that he's also red, the last primary color. While more subtle, it adds to the trio part and bouncing off each other (like Frye and Shiver's details being warm and cold in a shade slightly similar to the other's color; them wearing white and black too which brings out Big Man's grey). Big Man may be all about making his friends stand out but they're also subtly reciprocating!
Detailed and great!! I do wish you'd have added more of the international influences and the personality charms in terms of their dynamic as a contrasting trio Great video nonetheless!
Yeah that would have been very interesting to explore. I tend to focus on graphic design in Splatoon as I have a background in design, so I feel more comfortable and confident discussing that space. HOWEVER, I do appreciate the feedback, and in future videos I'll be sure to at least touch on these core details. Thanks for commenting!
Yeah I know he's technically red, but he really should have had MORE red in his design so the grey doesn't dominate haha. Yes! I think his design definitely had the tricolor battles in mind to maximize contrast.
With the colours in the logo and whatnot I still think big mans colour is grey, they were just not brave enough to have the third splatfest colour be gray
Absolutely! Though, the Brazilian influence is very subtle. I would say like a 90-10 ratio. They really did mix it so beautifully. The songs especially show that flawless integration. Have you listened to the other songs yet?
@@jp_nona Yes! The Now or Never version has been out for a while, and a few battle songs leaked recently. Well, we'll have access to the game and the songs in tomorrow's demo, but in case you want to hear them a bit early they're out there haha. But they continue that Japanese and Brazilian feel!
Also pre sure splatsville is based on osaka, whereas inkopolis was based on tokyo. You can get that feel from all the food vendors that are in pre much every street. Osaka is also generally a more carefree place and the residents there are often considered as more outgoing, welcoming, and friendly.
That is very interesting! I think you could be right as well. I did notice that the jellyfish seem way more casual interacting with each other in this game. The street vending corner was super hype during the splatfest ngl
I find that odd sonar Pearl and Frye are the most energetic of the groups and Marina is slightly calmer, although it makes sense why she stands because she’s at a DJ set and I guess Pearl’s chair is supposed to resemble a throne, as she’s a princess (MC Princess)
Yes of course! Every idol would need a reason to stand or not. It just so happens that it played out this way though haha. It's very interesting that you bring up that Pearl and Frye don't stand despite them being super energetic. I can't believe how fascinating discussing this is lol
All those who stand are universally loved by the community. All those who sit have, in one way or another, inspired controversy... All but one... SHIVEEEEERRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.......
I agree with everything you said. They express much more personality and culture in their design. Plus i don’t think their influence is only traditional Japanese: for Shiver, yes, but Frye and Big Man have completely different styles and cultural influences and THAT is one of the reasons i like them so much. They managed to create a perfect mix that also shines through the music. All of that, like you said, designed in a very modern look, sooo cool.
i love how with frye, she represents another aisian culture, but i cant remember what, following the point of contrast, shiver and frye arent only opposites in complimentary colours, but they bring eachother and themselves out with movement, looks and personalities and which cultures they represent. and dont forget big man, hes the true star of the show. the trio does well to add to eachother while simultaneously being themselves, which is absolutely beautiful. another reason why i love this game.
Yeah I agree. They're not perfect, but I love all of them. Frye has to be my favorite. The team totally did great at bringing something new to the table for sure
sooo glad other people in the comments wanted to hear about the indian/Brazilian influence in the music and not just the visual traditional japanese aspect
My redemption arc will come only when I make an analysis of the song lmao. I really wanted to just focus on the visual branding because of my graphic design background, but so many people requested that I should have mentioned the music more, so you know what, I'll make a video on that in the future haha Feel like I could learn a lot in researching that
I believe that the "main" song of splatfest was inspired by the carnival in Brazil, as it is a very colorful and joyful party and has a certain musical style in the samba that is present in anarchy rainbow
Oh you could totally be right! I caught some samba vibes from anarchy rainbow for sure. I'll have to look up that carnival music. The song is extremely clever!
The logo also looks like a traditional crest, or "mon". Three of an image is a very common design motif within mon, and a very large percentage of them are within circles. Putting a mon on the table and lanterns makes a ton of sense, since that's how mon are often used (you can even get them printed on mugs in the modern day). Also the design on the sign you mentioned IS traditional as well. There's a lot less modernity in these design elements than you think.
That is very interesting. I can totally see it as a crest now! I did feel like the way it was used in the background elements had some intention that I didn't quite understand, so that really clears up a lot. The thing is, there's almost no signs of modernity in the podcast. Were you referring to the brush letters on the sign or the pattern behind it? To my understanding, one is traditional and one is modern.
i also like how in anarchy rainbow frye appears on screen when the music with notable arabic influence kicks in! like their pants and cute dancing is so nicely timed with music!!!
Absolutely! They choreographed everything so well, and the presentation is spectacular! The original video shown in the direct does all three of them justice. Nice catch btw!
Also, the symbol of Shiver's fan, as well as equivalents for the other two idols, are displayed off-screen to the left of Shiver, in the shot where you pointed out the neon lights in the background. Those could be the idols' kamon, their family crests.
That's a very interesting theory! I really hope that's the case. Each character essentially has their own logo. I love that! Thanks for pointing that out!
I plan to explore graphic design in other games in the future for sure! I just really like Splatoon and there's so much to cover haha. Is there a game you'd be interested in seeing a design discussion on?
ive said it before and ill say it again , i swear to you shiver has some elements of a rakugo storyteller in the way she uses the fan and her desk during the news .
Yeah I can totally see that! I'm sure when they designed Shiver, they thought of a lot of influences to put into the design, and I think rakugo is very likely one of those influences! Haven't heard anyone bring that up before so thank you for mentioning it!
I connected the way she carries herself moreso as a Onna Banchou. Considering we are in the city of chaos, the delinquent aspects really match well with it.
@Mira Tarnish That has to be one of the best compliments I've ever received. Thank you so much! I will definitely keep making this type of content. Been having so much more fun with these tbh
You're right! It's really cool how every character adds to the overall branding. Though, what leads you to think Big Man resembles Australian culture? I thought he was Japanese themed as well so I'm really curious what you think
No no no Big man actually represents Brazilian culture, has nothing to do with australia actually. They were going for a south america connection on him
@@palettesdump then why is he wearing a japanese headgear and mask? you are aware drums in music exist outside of brazil right? the japanese have many types of drums........allso whats a fucking stingray got to do with brazil?
One thing people don't talk about enough is how SPECIFICALLY their branding is Japanese. Shiver is depicted as a Rakugo storyteller. From the fan, to her exaggerated movements, and her desk. Also the cardboard cutouts behind here look like a traditional Japanese "theater stage" so to speak. This is also why the Non-Binary debate happened. Rakugo whether male or female do not use gendered pronouns when telling the story so as to make it relatable and funny to anyone. It is meant to be a story told from an "objective perspective" so to speak... and she is referred to with female pronouns by the Frye in Japanese at least once. That said I am all for people headcanoning that Shiver is NB. No problems there - but the initial theory hinged itself on them not using gendered pronouns and that is the reason the character does this. Frye on the other hand is depicted like an old man in Japanese haha! Even her animations and sitting style are depicted as such. While her aesthetics are shown to be distinctly East Indian. She sings in an Indian style, and she also uses a flute to charm eels. However her personality is in general that of an old boomer Japanese man lmao! So in that regard you could say they're both NB haha! Anyways yeah, their entire setup is meant to come off as a sort of "comedy trio" vibe. At least in Japanese. While the other idols are very blatantly pop-idols (both Japanese, and Western for the Sisters, and Off the Hook respectively) People focus on the music and such but there is a deeper inspiration to their characters.
I really like Deep Cut so far, but I’m so disappointed that their catchphrase is “catch you later”. “Stay fresh” and “don’t get cooked, stay off the hook” are both fun and not things you tend to hear but “catch you later” feels so. Bland. like something you could hear anyone say. Also that Big Man just. doesn't fit in very well. He can't even do the deep cut pose the other two do. and he hides behind the tv. rather than getting to feel like a part of the group. He also doesn't really dance with the other two, he just kind of wiggles. I love Shiver and Frye so much so far! maybe big man will grow on me over time who knows.
at least they have a catchphrase in spanish, is "Tengan cuidado por ahi y no se dejen freír" which is way better , but I don't think it translates very well into english
Yeah their catchphrase really is disappointing. Like I get it's still a pun, but it's not original like "Don't get cooked." It looks like Big Man's role will always be in the background, but I really hope we at least get him doing SOMETHING in the story mode. Fair points, but ultimately Deep Cut seems pretty awesome to me
I have two problems w their character designs imo Them having full on, one color outfits with the lack of dull tones can make their design feel a bit more childish (or targeted towards kids) I would have rlly preferred if they used white/black base colors for their hair w additional of yellow/purple, same w their outfits Their facial features also kinda don’t feel splatoon enough? Or maybe that’s just me lmao I think it would have been a bit better if they made fryes eyes a bit higher n gave shiver the iconic splatoon eyeliner but tbh it’s makes them more unique Other than that I am extremely happy w their design n would prefer it no other way
Yeah I totally agree with you there. I didn't realize how saturated and "in your face" their colors were until I made the thumbnail for this video. Your idea could have been very nicely integrated into their designs. Marina is a prime example of it. Personally, I don't see any issues with their faces, but I get why you would say that. They deviate a lot from the other characters for sure. Especially Shiver haha.
one thing i rly like about their designs is that they actually have little details that compliment the main colour like fryes mouth fingertips and tentacles/hair fading into blue/purple, and shiver having red eyes, shoes and finger tips. it also makes them more connected cause fryes details are cold coloured and shivers details are warm coloured
Shiver and Frye didn't appeal to me at first reveal, but the moment they showed the Anarchy Rainbow music video thing during the Splatoon 3 Direct, it clicked with me as to why they look the way they do. So far the face shapes of the character idols in the series have been a wide, stretched out, "moe" vibe to it. With Splatoon 3, following the theme of chaos, there's much more wild and out-there designs. Frye is more round and circular and Shiver is really exggerating the wide and stretched out look with her eyes and lips being very thin. I feel like they're leaning hard to have a more cartoony appeal than an anime appeal like the previous 2 games. I love them now and it opens the door to having more wild idol characters in future games.
I think I more accurate description of the brand could be traditional + modernity. And while a lot of the set is using Japanese symbols Frye is a contrast in her seat. Since she is in a yoga position ( I don’t know how it’s spell Sorry) while shiver is in a rakugo set, a traditional storytelling art in Japan.
Yeah I totally agree with that. You bring up a good point as well that they both sit in different ways. Each representing their own cultural background as well. I still don't understand why the set didn't incorporate some of Frye's traditions, but ultimately I think they pulled off something really special here. Thanks for bringing all of that up btw!
I think it's both! You bring up a great point. It wouldn't have looked great if it were solid, but I don't think that was the only reasoning for it. They use the dashed lines in the loading animations as well. It's just a quick way to add texture while keeping that modern look
Also the motion blur on the logo over shoots a little when it stops spinning giving it a more natural end to the animation rather than just a hard stop
This is why I always groan when I hear someone say "graphics in games don't matter". Graphics do not equal realism, and graphics play a *huge* roll in a game. That's not to say they are on par in value with gameplay, but they come pretty darn close to it alongside sound design. GRAPHICS IN GAMES MATTER PEOPLE.
Yes! Say it louder for the people in the back!! Not only do they play a huge role in the game, but it's a deciding factor for players as well. Absolutely everything else from gameplay to story matters, but graphics should not be excluded from that list of things. I support your GRAPHICS MATTER energy!
I think it’s all about the art direction more than higher graphical detail Low poly games can look amazing and charming when done right, and high quality games could look uninteresting and same-y when done a certain way
I would recommend looking into the Japanese artform of “rakugo”, or comedic storytelling. Shiver specifically seems to be centered around this, going as far as having the fan and (what believe is) a kendai. Both are used as minimal props for rakugo stories. There’s also a wooden clacker, but Shiver is just using the fan to mimic it when they smack it against the kendai. The podcast stage appears to also be based off of a rakugo stage: a slightly raised platform with performers sitting on cushions. The Deep Cut icon can also be seen as reminiscent of the symbols artist use for rakugo. Heck, judging by our favorite character of all time, Uendo Toneido the rakugo artist, rakugo stories also tend to revolve around “3” characters. It might be commenting on how Shiver, Frye, and Big Man form a three personality group. We really can’t emphasize enough that the theme for the idols this time around seems to be rakugo! It’s almost too much, honestly, with Frye and Big Man being less direct haha. Shiver kind of “embodies” the theme so far. If you want to know more about rakugo, look up our favorite character Uendo! They’re a joy (just like Shiver), or maybe the new manga series Akane Banashi!
@@Someone_adachi Hahaha, yes, we're a massive fan of Turrnabout Storyteller and Uendo. Hard not to as an OSDD system, we even have a Patches fictive! We've obsessed over it more than probably anyone else, considering we've written 70,000 words of fic for the little rakugo artist and are still going. ^o^ We're writing something called 4/1/3/2 so we've learned a lot about rakugo as of late!
On the topic of Deep Cut's logo, there's one more concept represented in it. As the main shapes form a triangle with a space in the middle criss-crossed by lines, it looks like an A in a circle, which is the symbol for anarchism. So in addition to traditional Japanese culture, music, and the number 3, it also works in the game's chaos theme!
I love Frye, I swear! It's the branding that did her dirty. Not once do you get any Indian influence outside of the music. The entire set and logo design is Japanese
@@DekuGamer Sorry about spoilers in advance, but her boss fight sorta hints at her being a snake charmer, (or an “eel charmer” if you will) so that’s something, I guess. But yeah, branding did her dirty! Again, sorry about spoilers!
No worries! Played the story mode first thing after getting it haha. I really wish we could see more of the eels or at the very least the instruments she uses, outside of story mode. Same with Big Man. Deep Cut just feels like Shiver's group tbh
I don't think they just chose "Japanese" as their theme, the theme embodies "matsuri" more (because of how chaotic they can be I suppose). But I also truly think they chose festivals as the theme this time because of how the word "matsuri" has the word "tsuri" in it, which sounds like how you would pronounce "three" in Japanese lol Also wondering if they chose Indian and Brazilian sounds for Frye and Big Man because those countries also have very big (and chaotic) festivals in their cultures.
It kind of does look like it, but some other commenters mentioned it's likely kamaboko which is like a Japanese seafood. ngl though, I can totally see the round octopus haha
Most of the Sploon songs are sung in Japanese though, but they also makes sense if you transcript them to English. The Japanese is simply more heard in Anarchy Rainbow.
This trio is good because Splatsville and they themselves represent the theme that one in the 2nd game; Chaos When someone thinks of chaos they thought it'd be something like dystopian and less modern, with the world going back to it's primal was but what people didn't expect was this These guys are chaotic by looks alone, looking far from an regular inkling and octoling and having a literal stingray as a 3rd member, not to mention that Splatsville during a splatfest is seen being a chaotic beautiful mess of colors with even their song called anarchy rainbow being a chaotic mix of each idols cultural influence. These things that shouldn't work because of how chaotic it is WORKS because it IS a good type chaotic, because the idols and their city is unapologetically chaotic
Well said. They really do embody that chaotic nature we expected, and it delivers in spades. They really destroyed the mold of what is expected. Like you said, they're unapologetically chaotic!
I'll definitely think about it! Maybe after I'm done with my other planned videos I can explore that topic. Though, I don't know much about character design, it couldn't hurt to analyze their character and outfit designs. I think I'll do it after playing the story mode as well just in case they're in there.
There presentation really is the best. I get what you mean. As character, Callie and Marie are slightly better for sure. The story mode seems to have everyone! Hoping we get to see Pearl and Marina as well
Not only the architecture is Japanese but also the music is mixed Japanese and Indian likewise! For example on Frye’s design and solo music is heavily inspired by India! :)
Yes! That's a great point. I honestly really love how they went about designing the music as well. The story mode shows us much more of Frye's Indian side too which I love!
5:40 i feel like the song has south american music on it. but idk if it is cause idk any music in brazil but i know songs from the movie Rio made in 2011 that sounds like this :) --> 0:030:50
It totally does! Brazilian music has those instruments. Very uplifting and celebratory as well. Usually using that whistle sound too! Btw, I've always wanted to watch that movie haha
I'm not white. lol And I said rebellious and modern as in exploring things outside of tradition while embracing it. I thought I made that clear when talking about the modern pattern used as a background to traditional brush lettering on the sign. Things like that is what I believe bridged the gap between tradition and modern
I definitely love the deep cut look and outfit its The perfect mix of east, sourh and southeast asia They manged to blend 2 completly diferent cultures and create something fantastic
In order: Anarchy Rainbow by Deep Cut, Shellfie by Chirpy Chips, and I unfortunately do not remember the last one. Should be a singleplayer song though. Thanks btw! Just three more days!!
Honestly its not only Japanese influence that made this, Anarchy rainbow is basicly Samba and Fryes singing and design has alot of Indian Influence (I think) and it mixes so perfectly togehter its amazing.
You're absolutely right! I feel like when we learn more about Frye's lore, the way they integrated her background into their branding would make a lot more sense. Thanks for bringing this up! I thought maybe she had some Brazil in her as well. Really hope we get more information in the story mode.
@@DekuGamer as far as I understand Big Man is the Brazil part, Shiver is more Japanese inspired and Frye is Arabic/Middle Eastern inspired.
That’s also a big part of the music, it’s a mashup of all three
It's based off okinawan folk music, not samba.
@@zandikaa isn’t Big Man supposed to be Brazilian, which is why it’s there?
@@myrealusername2193 big man is def not Brazilian lol
The only thing I don’t like, and maybe this will change, is the fact that Deep cut announces updates for Splatfests from their studio, yet then it cuts to them performing on stage. I like how the old idols made the announcement on stage during Splatfests. I think it just adds to the world building.
That's a very good point! I didn't even notice that. Wow, that is really weird. It has to be something that's only in the demo because I doubt they leave that in for future Splatfests. Nice catch!
Callie and Marie did this too
The squid sisters did this too
@@DekuGamer It would be harder on the first part with how the music is presented there. Three different stages, three different locations, it would need 3 different cameras and 3 different locations. 2nd part, would be doable but also need the screen behind them to show it off.
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To be fair, they already do 4 different camera angles when introducing a tricolor turf battle, since the teams of two spawn at four different parts of the map, so it wouldn’t be too hard to do with the idols as well.
Actually the japanese name for Deep cut is 「すりみ連合」(surimi rengo) and their logo 3 also looks like み.(mi) so theirs 3 み's so it's three mi →surimi
you can even hear them saying su ri mi at the end of their radio.
and the logo on shiver's fan is かまぼこ kamaboko
its fish cake since their name is surimi.
Wow this is very cool! I did not know about the Japanese side of things so this is very interesting to learn. I'll have to check out when they say su ri mi as well!
I learned about the design on Shiver's fan from another commenter. It's pretty cool to hear your perspective on these things since you have a much more thorough understanding of Japanese.
Kamaboko - Kamabo Co.
The mem cakes are inspired by kamaboko and they're found in the deepsea metro, which is run by Kamabo Co.
Shiver's fan has a kamaboko design on it and deep cut can be seen in story mode afaik
And there are deepsea metro inspired levels in the story mode too
One thing I just absolutely adore about Deep Cut is how their music represents them. A mix of traditional Japanese, Indian, and Brazilian Funk(?) along with a more modern play on the former two is just SO GOOD! The use of different cultural instruments and rhythms in their solos really shine too, yet they still unify in such a special way.
Yes! The music really integrates 3 different cultures almost seamlessly! Very impressive tbh. You worded it perfectly!
It's actually brazilian samba!! Funk is totally different here lol
I think the Squid Sisters’ set design is actually retroactively really good because of that lack of personality- it reflects their status as the most commercialized and least authentic group.
agree. i always had the vibe that the squid sisters as a brand were kind of "fake" and i'm happy other people see that lol
I love splatoon 3's new idols. Shiver, Frye and Big Man work really well off of each other. I love how well it is with the colors changed when the logo popped up. I also never that it was all over the set. It's really cool.
Yes! Shiver, Frye, and Big Man are awesome! The colors are used beautifully when the logo pops up. Glad you learned something from the video! Also, I love your username haha
Aww, thanks. The music and animation go so well together. Also, this name is for a reason. Dwane is better than paper and scissors anyways. If you don't get it, that's okay.
I love how you can also see the progression of detail. With every set design, it improves towards a more rich worldbuilding with more detail to reflect our world. Also curious if you see any graphic inspirations from Brazil? I only really notice the musical samba inspiration in their song after a few repeats.
Absolutely! Couldn't have said that any better. Everything has improved over time, and the contrast between the new set design and the old ones is night and day. You know, it's interesting that you bring that up because I thought the same thing. I didn't catch anything that could be Brazil inspired apart from maybe Frye's hair? Design wise, everything seems to heavily skew towards a Japanese theme, but maybe there's more details that I just didn't catch.
@@DekuGamer i’m pretty sure frye shows a lot of indian customs, like siting on a pillow than being covered by a small table and the music and voice is kinda close to cultural music in india
Yeah, I think Shiver is supposed to be Japanese, Frye is supposed to be Indian, and Big Man is supposed to be Brazilian. At least the notes in Anarchy Rainbow would suggest this.
@@sethfeldpausch4337 Not only that, but a small fun fact is that while every other language has Big Man say something short that's translated i.e "Ay! (Hello!)", In the Portuguese direct we didn't have that. He spoke naturally. It could be a coincidence or just that they didn't bother as Splatoon isn't translated to Portuguese, but it could be interpreted as it being his mother language or something similar
@@Zenala Im proud we portugueses are finally having representation :)
Idk I think it’s strange how much it leans towards the traditional Japanese motifs specifically. Shiver’s design clearly shows Japanese influences, but the music and other band members show a much more culturally diverse brand. My first impression of Deep Cut during the reveal was that they were a chaotic melting pot of different cultures. I wish the Brazilian and Indian origins of Big Man and Fraye had gotten at least a reference in the set and logo designs. Maybe there’s lore behind this and Shiver is like the founder or something but it’s bizarre how the music and set design tell two different stories.
Absolutely. You make a very good point. And now that you mention it, the music and the rest of the brand feel like two separate entities. It's honestly interesting to see how this is all playing out. I heard somewhere that Big Man's background is a traditional dance teacher, so maybe Frye's backstory makes her the music producer? That would answer the heavy Indian/Brazilian vibes in the music. It really is disappointing that Indian and Brazilian influences are exclusive to the music. I'm looking forward to seeing how their influence plays out in the story mode.
But isn't Big Man represented by electronic music and not Samba?
Disagree. There’s Indian design, music, clothing elements to be observed within Deep Cut. (Can’t comment on the Brazilian side of things though.) Frye sitting on a floor pillow almost in a butterfly stretch is very Indian. Her dance moves and singing are very traditionally Indian. The shawls she and Shiver wear seem to be inspired by dupattas/chunnis more than anything Japanese, and her fit is totally modernized Patiala pants with a choli top. I would even argue that Sh and Fr’s headpieces and jewelry can be attributed to Indian culture more than Japanese culture, since Indian “lavish looks” (eg party wear, festive wear, wedding wear) often place hella emphasis on earrings and head jewelry. You could even argue that the Deep Cut logo is kind of like a Dharma wheel.
I'm pretty sure Big Man is canonically the composer of the music, so maybe start from there?
out of all of the idols, the new ones might be my favorite just because they look so different
That's awesome! They're definitely growing on me too, but I'm a Pearl fan for life haha
Wow I didn't know I needed this kind of Splatoon content but I absolutely do
As long as people like you are interested, I'll keep making these! Glad you enjoyed the video
From the look of Frye's design it looks like a mixture of traditional Japanese and possibly modern Indian. I've also noticed some Brazilian festival when big man is on screen, and some subtle hints of American culture in the plaza
Very likely! I held off on that in this video, as I suspect we'll learn more in the Story Mode. So hyped for idol lore low key
really detailed, though i had hoped you could cover some of what the music has to offer in its other influences outside of japanese culture that others have picked up on, but there's a lot to digest visually with the group. great video!
i'm not an expert on japanese food either, but to me, Shiver's fan design reminds me of a type of kamaboko that's a semi-circle shape on top of a small wooden board, and if that's the case of the design, it would tie into their group's name in japanese: Surimi Rengō, or Surimi Union. that's me just speculating, though!
Yeah I honestly didn't cover the music because I don't feel like I would add anything new to the conversation with my background in graphic design. I think next time I will acknowledge things like that though because it really is a big part of the branding.
That's very interesting. Kamaboko is almost the exact shape! You could be on to something with your speculation as well. You know so much about this franchise, that I'm literally always learning something new from you haha. Thanks for the feedback, and glad you enjoyed the video!
I know this has nothing to do with the video, but I just realized this now. I actually think the splatoon 3 idols ARE going to be in the story mode. If you look closely in their introduction, you can see a rocket behind them, the same exact rocket that's in the story mode trailer. AND if you look even closer behind them(in the trailer with their masks on still), the sky is the same fake sky, made up of triangles. I'm guessing the trailer introduction is actually going to be ingame, they'll be introducing themselves in the snowy area with the rocket to the new agent 3. I'm even more exited now!
Yeah that's what I thought too! They seem to be in the same place as the hero mode trailer for sure. I hope it does play out how you've said because that would honestly be so awesome! Really excited to see the single player campaign now!!
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I had really noticed how well blended tradition and modernity were in your design but this definitely made me understand it all better and you really made me see a lot of things I had overlooked.
Thank you and good work uwu
That's so great to hear! Really awesome that you learned some stuff from this video.
And thank YOU for all the kind words!
adding to the color scheme, the branding is more noticeable (and memorable) because instead of the usual green/blue-green/pink, we get a NEW SET OF COLORS!! i love the green and pink combo but it is super nice to switch it up to something different- yellow and royal blue
You're right! The yellow and vibrant blue work so well together, and stand out a LOT from the other colors of the previous idols. Much more memorable like you said. Thanks for bringing that up!
Pretty sure Shiver represents Japanese culture, she literally carries herself like a Geisha.
And Frye, seems to me, like she represents Indian culture... That's one of the main reasons the song actually sounds like a festival theme
Yes of course. Each character represents a different culture. And the song, (especially when hearing the isolated versions in the splatfest themes) makes a strong case for it. Thanks for bringing it up
The moment you mentioned how the logo looks like the design you see on taiko drums, it dawned upon me that at 0:54 the ring around the float/stage is reinforcing that japanese motif cause it's a reference to the mytholgical thunder god Raijin which he is mostly depicted with that same style ring. Very cool detail!
While I agree this idol group has the strongest branding, I still have a soft spot for Off the Hook's branding cause it reminds me of watching MTV when I was younger lol.
Wow that is fascinating! My mind is blown just how exact it is to the stage design. Very nice catch, I never knew about that! The amount of depth to their branding is surreal.
Yeah, every idol group brings something unique to the table, and Off the Hook is one of a kind for that. I remember watching MTV too when I was a kid, I was a huge fan of hip hop and music videos haha I never realized that could be why I like Off the Hook so much
I love Frye:^( I like yellow but no one else does, and people would sooner settle with the basic fringe cut idol than like someone with explosive self expression. People need to lay off her forehead (and leave room for me on there) fr tho her shape language is perfect.
i also love how big man, a manta ray, is shaped like a fan too! what a wonderful choice for the third character!
yeah I didn't even think of that haha. Everything lines up so well with this trio, it's pretty crazy
Also i like how they switched form the pink and green to the primary colors it’s quite nice no one could ever replace my love for off the hook their aesthetic and designs just reached me personally but deep cut is a close second also deep cut isn’t just traditional japanese going off their song the splatoon dance in the live stream and Frye as a whole Brazil seems to be also a huge aesthetic they’re using to they are a ethnic fusion group also these are the most expressive idols we’ve gotten so far
love how you really delve into the little details to appreciate them, as well as your editing style! you've got a new subscriber for sure !!
Thank you so much! That really means a lot. The little details in Splatoon are so information rich! So happy to know you liked my editing style as well. Thank you for subscribing!! :D
The meat looking part of Shivers fan reminds me of shark meat, doubling down that her theme is sharks
Shark meat is very wavy and surprisingly pretty that detail is genius
You could be right! Didn't even think of that but it would make a lot of sense to have a double entendre like that. Nice catch! Thanks for bringing that up
her translated names for different languages are all shark based
@@LiamDoubleU i love that their name is just a group of sharks
@@dummyfreshx oh also her spanish name is just Megan 💀, I like to imagine that's a play on Megan-ladon
I never comment on videos but I absolutely loved watching your videos about breaking down the Splatoon graphics. I've been fascinated by Splatoons concept as well and wanted to learn more about it, so it's really satisfying watching your detailed explanation. The researching and editing must’ve taken a ton of time so you did an incredible job. I hope to see more kinds of these videos, and learn from your graphic design knowledge as well (: Thank you!
Thank you so much! Your kind words really mean a lot to me. I'm so happy that you enjoyed my video and the way I present information. Really, that's a huge compliment. These videos do take long to plan, research, and edit, but it honestly doesn't feel exhausting to me. I'm super passionate about design, Splatoon, and TH-cam so it's a win for me haha. I will continue making these graphic design videos as long as people are interested. And thank you for being interested!
great video, and i realise a lot of the comments are mentioning frye being indian (backed up by the music as you can hear what i think to be a sitar in the backing track, as well as her clothing as i do think the baggy pants have a more indian feel than Japanese), but something ive never heard people talk about is that big man is basically confirmed to be Brazilian, feel free to check it yourself, but the splatoon wiki has a section about languages, in every translation of the game he says some sort of thing based on either manta or ray, such as english saying ay ay, which is then translated in brackets afterwards, except for Portuguese, where he has no translation and literally just speaks normally. normally id say thats just a quirky translation where the Portuguese team couldnt be bothered to do it right lol, but combining the samba esq music in his theme and in anarchy rainbow, along with the other two being based off different cultures and that tying into their music, its pretty safe to assume big man is Brazilian
Once again, amazing! I really love these insights, and you present them in an entertaining and exciting way. I support you! I'll be expecting your next video, I know you don't disappoint ;)
Thank you so much! That really means a lot. I try my best in every video to present the information as entertaining as I can. I really appreciate your comment. It helps motivate me so much!
Such a shame that deep cut gets the least amount of attention in their own game compared to the previous idols.
Can I just say how I love how big mans color is grey, which grey is great at making other colors pop out like, u know, yellow and blue, just like how big mans is usually the one in the back making frye and shiver look better especially on the stage 0:49 and in this drawing of them 3:02. also in the music, like anarchy rainbow, big man is the tenor and his part on the song is also meant to be underneath frye and shiver singing making them sound better, just like the colors and how he is presented on stage and in the picture. I thought that was pretty cool and it was something you didnt talk about
That's a great point! Him being grey is a great character design trait. To add to what you said, he's often a backdrop for Shiver and Frye so that the contrast you mentioned is even stronger. Him being the background of the song as well is incredibly clever! I didn't notice that. Really makes me appreciate him more as a character. Thanks for mentioning all of this!
Not to mention that he's also red, the last primary color. While more subtle, it adds to the trio part and bouncing off each other (like Frye and Shiver's details being warm and cold in a shade slightly similar to the other's color; them wearing white and black too which brings out Big Man's grey). Big Man may be all about making his friends stand out but they're also subtly reciprocating!
Detailed and great!! I do wish you'd have added more of the international influences and the personality charms in terms of their dynamic as a contrasting trio
Great video nonetheless!
Yeah that would have been very interesting to explore. I tend to focus on graphic design in Splatoon as I have a background in design, so I feel more comfortable and confident discussing that space. HOWEVER, I do appreciate the feedback, and in future videos I'll be sure to at least touch on these core details. Thanks for commenting!
Well technically (due to accessories and the splatfest premiere ) Big Man's color is red, and even then he'd STILL match up with shiver and frye!
Yeah I know he's technically red, but he really should have had MORE red in his design so the grey doesn't dominate haha. Yes! I think his design definitely had the tricolor battles in mind to maximize contrast.
With the colours in the logo and whatnot I still think big mans colour is grey, they were just not brave enough to have the third splatfest colour be gray
I think the whole thing it's just a big mashup between modern Japanese culture and Brazilian culture mixed beautifully :D
Absolutely! Though, the Brazilian influence is very subtle. I would say like a 90-10 ratio. They really did mix it so beautifully. The songs especially show that flawless integration. Have you listened to the other songs yet?
@@DekuGamer i only know anarchy rainbow, are there anymore? :0
@@jp_nona Yes! The Now or Never version has been out for a while, and a few battle songs leaked recently. Well, we'll have access to the game and the songs in tomorrow's demo, but in case you want to hear them a bit early they're out there haha. But they continue that Japanese and Brazilian feel!
Also pre sure splatsville is based on osaka, whereas inkopolis was based on tokyo.
You can get that feel from all the food vendors that are in pre much every street. Osaka is also generally a more carefree place and the residents there are often considered as more outgoing, welcoming, and friendly.
That is very interesting! I think you could be right as well. I did notice that the jellyfish seem way more casual interacting with each other in this game. The street vending corner was super hype during the splatfest ngl
The more Splatoon games there are the more idols sit down
Woah that's so true! The Squid Sisters would stand, Pearl would sit while Marina stood, and now Shiver and Frye are sitting while Big Man stands!?
I find that odd sonar Pearl and Frye are the most energetic of the groups and Marina is slightly calmer, although it makes sense why she stands because she’s at a DJ set and I guess Pearl’s chair is supposed to resemble a throne, as she’s a princess (MC Princess)
Yes of course! Every idol would need a reason to stand or not. It just so happens that it played out this way though haha. It's very interesting that you bring up that Pearl and Frye don't stand despite them being super energetic. I can't believe how fascinating discussing this is lol
@Deku Gamer Oh and to clear up any confusion that “sonar” was supposed to be “since”
All those who stand are universally loved by the community.
All those who sit have, in one way or another, inspired controversy...
All but one...
SHIVEEEEERRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.......
I agree with everything you said.
They express much more personality and culture in their design.
Plus i don’t think their influence is only traditional Japanese: for Shiver, yes, but Frye and Big Man have completely different styles and cultural influences and THAT is one of the reasons i like them so much. They managed to create a perfect mix that also shines through the music. All of that, like you said, designed in a very modern look, sooo cool.
This shows how much the Splatoon team cares, it’s so *so* lovely to see!
Oh yeah, researching these videos make that abundantly clear. Their dedication is unmatched!
I saw you on my recommended and after watching this decided to subscribe, I'm not sure why but this video was VERY satisfying, gonna watch more!
Welcome to the channel! I'm so happy to hear that! Thank you so much for the kind words. :)
i love how with frye, she represents another aisian culture, but i cant remember what, following the point of contrast, shiver and frye arent only opposites in complimentary colours, but they bring eachother and themselves out with movement, looks and personalities and which cultures they represent. and dont forget big man, hes the true star of the show. the trio does well to add to eachother while simultaneously being themselves, which is absolutely beautiful. another reason why i love this game.
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All three of the idols are amazing. Shiver is my favorite looking, but Frye and Big man are also just lovely. The team did really well with them
Yeah I agree. They're not perfect, but I love all of them. Frye has to be my favorite. The team totally did great at bringing something new to the table for sure
sooo glad other people in the comments wanted to hear about the indian/Brazilian influence in the music and not just the visual traditional japanese aspect
My redemption arc will come only when I make an analysis of the song lmao. I really wanted to just focus on the visual branding because of my graphic design background, but so many people requested that I should have mentioned the music more, so you know what, I'll make a video on that in the future haha Feel like I could learn a lot in researching that
I believe that the "main" song of splatfest was inspired by the carnival in Brazil, as it is a very colorful and joyful party and has a certain musical style in the samba that is present in anarchy rainbow
Oh you could totally be right! I caught some samba vibes from anarchy rainbow for sure. I'll have to look up that carnival music. The song is extremely clever!
The logo also looks like a traditional crest, or "mon". Three of an image is a very common design motif within mon, and a very large percentage of them are within circles. Putting a mon on the table and lanterns makes a ton of sense, since that's how mon are often used (you can even get them printed on mugs in the modern day). Also the design on the sign you mentioned IS traditional as well. There's a lot less modernity in these design elements than you think.
That is very interesting. I can totally see it as a crest now! I did feel like the way it was used in the background elements had some intention that I didn't quite understand, so that really clears up a lot. The thing is, there's almost no signs of modernity in the podcast. Were you referring to the brush letters on the sign or the pattern behind it? To my understanding, one is traditional and one is modern.
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i also like how in anarchy rainbow frye appears on screen when the music with notable arabic influence kicks in! like their pants and cute dancing is so nicely timed with music!!!
Absolutely! They choreographed everything so well, and the presentation is spectacular! The original video shown in the direct does all three of them justice. Nice catch btw!
In Splatoon 1 we had nothing with the number , in Splatoon 2 we had: jud and lil jud and Splatoon 3 we have: shiver , fry and BIG MAN
Heck yeah! It's so cool to see this series develop, and how they choose to integrate the game's number into things.
Also, the symbol of Shiver's fan, as well as equivalents for the other two idols, are displayed off-screen to the left of Shiver, in the shot where you pointed out the neon lights in the background. Those could be the idols' kamon, their family crests.
That's a very interesting theory! I really hope that's the case. Each character essentially has their own logo. I love that! Thanks for pointing that out!
These graphic design discussion videos about games has me wanting an entire series covering different game brandings
I plan to explore graphic design in other games in the future for sure! I just really like Splatoon and there's so much to cover haha. Is there a game you'd be interested in seeing a design discussion on?
ive said it before and ill say it again , i swear to you shiver has some elements of a rakugo storyteller in the way she uses the fan and her desk during the news .
Yeah I can totally see that! I'm sure when they designed Shiver, they thought of a lot of influences to put into the design, and I think rakugo is very likely one of those influences! Haven't heard anyone bring that up before so thank you for mentioning it!
I connected the way she carries herself moreso as a Onna Banchou. Considering we are in the city of chaos, the delinquent aspects really match well with it.
2:58 "Big man!" - Uncle Mike Everybody Hates Chris.
Yes!! Someone actually knows where it's from haha. Awesome show btw
6:04 did you time the music to that one part or did it somehow manage to fit perfectly?
ok i re-watched the when the song started, definitly timed.
Yes I timed it! Haha, so happy someone caught that. I also timed the edit to the music at 4:28 and the beginning of the second sequence at 2:46
@@DekuGamer this is such good editing, definitely keep doing this. The videos feel good on the brain with this kind of attention to detail
@Mira Tarnish That has to be one of the best compliments I've ever received. Thank you so much! I will definitely keep making this type of content. Been having so much more fun with these tbh
Aren’t we gonna talk about how shiver kinda represents Japan while fyre represents Indian culture and finally how big man resembles Australian culture
You're right! It's really cool how every character adds to the overall branding. Though, what leads you to think Big Man resembles Australian culture? I thought he was Japanese themed as well so I'm really curious what you think
@@DekuGamer probs taking the piss about how steve irwin died lol
@@DekuGamer I thought he was supposed to represent Brazilian culture
No no no Big man actually represents Brazilian culture, has nothing to do with australia actually. They were going for a south america connection on him
@@palettesdump then why is he wearing a japanese headgear and mask? you are aware drums in music exist outside of brazil right? the japanese have many types of drums........allso whats a fucking stingray got to do with brazil?
One thing people don't talk about enough is how SPECIFICALLY their branding is Japanese.
Shiver is depicted as a Rakugo storyteller. From the fan, to her exaggerated movements, and her desk. Also the cardboard cutouts behind here look like a traditional Japanese "theater stage" so to speak. This is also why the Non-Binary debate happened. Rakugo whether male or female do not use gendered pronouns when telling the story so as to make it relatable and funny to anyone. It is meant to be a story told from an "objective perspective" so to speak... and she is referred to with female pronouns by the Frye in Japanese at least once. That said I am all for people headcanoning that Shiver is NB. No problems there - but the initial theory hinged itself on them not using gendered pronouns and that is the reason the character does this.
Frye on the other hand is depicted like an old man in Japanese haha! Even her animations and sitting style are depicted as such. While her aesthetics are shown to be distinctly East Indian. She sings in an Indian style, and she also uses a flute to charm eels. However her personality is in general that of an old boomer Japanese man lmao! So in that regard you could say they're both NB haha!
Anyways yeah, their entire setup is meant to come off as a sort of "comedy trio" vibe. At least in Japanese. While the other idols are very blatantly pop-idols (both Japanese, and Western for the
Sisters, and Off the Hook respectively)
People focus on the music and such but there is a deeper inspiration to their characters.
Incredible analysis. Thank you very much.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed. :)
Fun fact: you can see Deep Cut’a logo on the big Japanese arch on the square. Just zoom in on any part of the arch and you’ll see it.
I did notice that! I really like those little details. It's almost like a reward for exploring!
very cool video! wish there were videos like this
thank you! working on making more like this for sure
Next idol group is a kpop group, now there are 8 teams in splatfests
I really like Deep Cut so far, but I’m so disappointed that their catchphrase is “catch you later”. “Stay fresh” and “don’t get cooked, stay off the hook” are both fun and not things you tend to hear but “catch you later” feels so. Bland. like something you could hear anyone say.
Also that Big Man just. doesn't fit in very well. He can't even do the deep cut pose the other two do. and he hides behind the tv. rather than getting to feel like a part of the group. He also doesn't really dance with the other two, he just kind of wiggles. I love Shiver and Frye so much so far! maybe big man will grow on me over time who knows.
at least they have a catchphrase in spanish, is "Tengan cuidado por ahi y no se dejen freír" which is way better , but I don't think it translates very well into english
They also have the counting too 3 in Japanese
Yeah their catchphrase really is disappointing. Like I get it's still a pun, but it's not original like "Don't get cooked." It looks like Big Man's role will always be in the background, but I really hope we at least get him doing SOMETHING in the story mode. Fair points, but ultimately Deep Cut seems pretty awesome to me
I have two problems w their character designs imo
Them having full on, one color outfits with the lack of dull tones can make their design feel a bit more childish (or targeted towards kids) I would have rlly preferred if they used white/black base colors for their hair w additional of yellow/purple, same w their outfits
Their facial features also kinda don’t feel splatoon enough? Or maybe that’s just me lmao I think it would have been a bit better if they made fryes eyes a bit higher n gave shiver the iconic splatoon eyeliner but tbh it’s makes them more unique
Other than that I am extremely happy w their design n would prefer it no other way
Yeah I totally agree with you there. I didn't realize how saturated and "in your face" their colors were until I made the thumbnail for this video. Your idea could have been very nicely integrated into their designs. Marina is a prime example of it.
Personally, I don't see any issues with their faces, but I get why you would say that. They deviate a lot from the other characters for sure. Especially Shiver haha.
one thing i rly like about their designs is that they actually have little details that compliment the main colour like fryes mouth fingertips and tentacles/hair fading into blue/purple, and shiver having red eyes, shoes and finger tips. it also makes them more connected cause fryes details are cold coloured and shivers details are warm coloured
Shiver and Frye didn't appeal to me at first reveal, but the moment they showed the Anarchy Rainbow music video thing during the Splatoon 3 Direct, it clicked with me as to why they look the way they do. So far the face shapes of the character idols in the series have been a wide, stretched out, "moe" vibe to it. With Splatoon 3, following the theme of chaos, there's much more wild and out-there designs. Frye is more round and circular and Shiver is really exggerating the wide and stretched out look with her eyes and lips being very thin. I feel like they're leaning hard to have a more cartoony appeal than an anime appeal like the previous 2 games. I love them now and it opens the door to having more wild idol characters in future games.
@@DuBstepAnDa98 fr tho like splatoon just wouldn’t be the same without its banger music, rlly gets u into the vibe
Frye is more indian coded as heard by how her voice sounds and the instruments used in anarchy rainbow and her own song
Oh yeah! I honestly like how well her Indian background fits into there branding. It doesn't interfere but somehow enhances it!
I also feel like the way Frye and shiver are sitting gives it a very safe and laid back feeling
Definitely! It's so laid back and chill, I really like it! They both sit in their according to their own customs as well
I think I more accurate description of the brand could be traditional + modernity. And while a lot of the set is using Japanese symbols Frye is a contrast in her seat. Since she is in a yoga position ( I don’t know how it’s spell Sorry) while shiver is in a rakugo set, a traditional storytelling art in Japan.
Yeah I totally agree with that. You bring up a good point as well that they both sit in different ways. Each representing their own cultural background as well. I still don't understand why the set didn't incorporate some of Frye's traditions, but ultimately I think they pulled off something really special here. Thanks for bringing all of that up btw!
Just sad there's no inklings looking in from the background anymore
Yeah I noticed that too when I was recording Off the Hook's intro. That might be the best thing about their set tbh
I love it how At 4:14 you see asquidmin in the background
Yeah I'm going to miss the inklings peaking in and interacting with the podcast
2:32
I think that the reason that those blobs are lined not for callback reasons but so that the grey isn't overpowering.
I think it's both! You bring up a great point. It wouldn't have looked great if it were solid, but I don't think that was the only reasoning for it. They use the dashed lines in the loading animations as well. It's just a quick way to add texture while keeping that modern look
Seeing how splatoon 3 is right now I wonder what it would be like if order won the splatfest in splatoon 2
Yeah I think about that sometimes too, but I'm very happy with what we have now
Also the motion blur on the logo over shoots a little when it stops spinning giving it a more natural end to the animation rather than just a hard stop
Yes! Very nice catch. I love those subtle movement details motion designers use. It really does look super smooth and flexible
I always thought the symbol on Shiver's fan was a hamburger
Hahaha that would be funny. If we get a McDonalds splatfest again she should pick burger
O THOUGHT THAT BIG MAN WAS JUST WHAT THE FANDOM CALLED HIM
Hahaha nah that's his canon name lmao
This is why I always groan when I hear someone say "graphics in games don't matter". Graphics do not equal realism, and graphics play a *huge* roll in a game. That's not to say they are on par in value with gameplay, but they come pretty darn close to it alongside sound design. GRAPHICS IN GAMES MATTER PEOPLE.
Yes! Say it louder for the people in the back!! Not only do they play a huge role in the game, but it's a deciding factor for players as well. Absolutely everything else from gameplay to story matters, but graphics should not be excluded from that list of things. I support your GRAPHICS MATTER energy!
I think it’s all about the art direction more than higher graphical detail
Low poly games can look amazing and charming when done right, and high quality games could look uninteresting and same-y when done a certain way
@@kiricappuchin Whilst your comment reigns absolutely true, that in of itself is still "graphics". Art direction would fall under that banner.
Loved the video, new sub!
Thank you so much! Glad you loved it!
I would recommend looking into the Japanese artform of “rakugo”, or comedic storytelling. Shiver specifically seems to be centered around this, going as far as having the fan and (what believe is) a kendai. Both are used as minimal props for rakugo stories. There’s also a wooden clacker, but Shiver is just using the fan to mimic it when they smack it against the kendai.
The podcast stage appears to also be based off of a rakugo stage: a slightly raised platform with performers sitting on cushions.
The Deep Cut icon can also be seen as reminiscent of the symbols artist use for rakugo.
Heck, judging by our favorite character of all time, Uendo Toneido the rakugo artist, rakugo stories also tend to revolve around “3” characters. It might be commenting on how Shiver, Frye, and Big Man form a three personality group.
We really can’t emphasize enough that the theme for the idols this time around seems to be rakugo! It’s almost too much, honestly, with Frye and Big Man being less direct haha. Shiver kind of “embodies” the theme so far.
If you want to know more about rakugo, look up our favorite character Uendo! They’re a joy (just like Shiver), or maybe the new manga series Akane Banashi!
Is that a Turnabout Storyteller reference ⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️
@@Someone_adachi Hahaha, yes, we're a massive fan of Turrnabout Storyteller and Uendo. Hard not to as an OSDD system, we even have a Patches fictive!
We've obsessed over it more than probably anyone else, considering we've written 70,000 words of fic for the little rakugo artist and are still going. ^o^ We're writing something called 4/1/3/2 so we've learned a lot about rakugo as of late!
On the topic of Deep Cut's logo, there's one more concept represented in it. As the main shapes form a triangle with a space in the middle criss-crossed by lines, it looks like an A in a circle, which is the symbol for anarchism. So in addition to traditional Japanese culture, music, and the number 3, it also works in the game's chaos theme!
bro just erased frye from existence in a singular video😭
I love Frye, I swear! It's the branding that did her dirty. Not once do you get any Indian influence outside of the music. The entire set and logo design is Japanese
@@DekuGamer Sorry about spoilers in advance, but her boss fight sorta hints at her being a snake charmer, (or an “eel charmer” if you will) so that’s something, I guess. But yeah, branding did her dirty! Again, sorry about spoilers!
No worries! Played the story mode first thing after getting it haha. I really wish we could see more of the eels or at the very least the instruments she uses, outside of story mode. Same with Big Man. Deep Cut just feels like Shiver's group tbh
The "freakin box might have lore" sticker looks like it's called "Twists and Turns".
the taiko drum looks like the obs logo
It really does. That was my first thought too haha
I don't think they just chose "Japanese" as their theme, the theme embodies "matsuri" more (because of how chaotic they can be I suppose). But I also truly think they chose festivals as the theme this time because of how the word "matsuri" has the word "tsuri" in it, which sounds like how you would pronounce "three" in Japanese lol
Also wondering if they chose Indian and Brazilian sounds for Frye and Big Man because those countries also have very big (and chaotic) festivals in their cultures.
I see Shiver's fan symbol as the sea and the sun just above it. Coincidentally also a lil shaped like a round octopus head
It kind of does look like it, but some other commenters mentioned it's likely kamaboko which is like a Japanese seafood. ngl though, I can totally see the round octopus haha
1:20 Nintendo really pulled all the stops when they saw chaos won
Exactly! I have no idea how they pulled it off, but they absolutely did
Not to talk about how Anarchy Rainbow is sung in Japanese! These are my by far favorite idols! Can’t wait for splatoon 3! :D
Most of the Sploon songs are sung in Japanese though, but they also makes sense if you transcript them to English. The Japanese is simply more heard in Anarchy Rainbow.
Their Branding is the most Solid because of the Airhorns that play every time we see Big man
Hahaha can't argue with that. I have associated air horns with this trio at this point
Glad to see Pearl Enjoyers out in the wild
Us Pearl enjoyers gotta stick together!
This trio is good because Splatsville and they themselves represent the theme that one in the 2nd game; Chaos
When someone thinks of chaos they thought it'd be something like dystopian and less modern, with the world going back to it's primal was but what people didn't expect was this
These guys are chaotic by looks alone, looking far from an regular inkling and octoling and having a literal stingray as a 3rd member, not to mention that Splatsville during a splatfest is seen being a chaotic beautiful mess of colors with even their song called anarchy rainbow being a chaotic mix of each idols cultural influence.
These things that shouldn't work because of how chaotic it is WORKS because it IS a good type chaotic, because the idols and their city is unapologetically chaotic
Well said. They really do embody that chaotic nature we expected, and it delivers in spades. They really destroyed the mold of what is expected. Like you said, they're unapologetically chaotic!
Outfit/character design analysis please? I wanna know more about the influences from anyone who has info/theories
I'll definitely think about it! Maybe after I'm done with my other planned videos I can explore that topic. Though, I don't know much about character design, it couldn't hurt to analyze their character and outfit designs. I think I'll do it after playing the story mode as well just in case they're in there.
Even with that forehead Frye is cute af
Maybe she's cute because of the forehead 😏
so this is what makes me actually tolerate splatoon 3's news broadcast
sometimes I catch myself watching it, and I'm like, wait it's over? hahaha
All of that and sound's strange and nice to me that in Anarchy Rainbow, Frie's part it's Indian themed and Big Man's part are Brazilian themed
Yeah totally! I wish that influence was in their visual branding as well. Anarchy Rainbow is a chaotically great song tbh
Can you do an analysis of the music and choreography next?
Good video.
I not shaped like one but im Shiver's fan.
Yo really good stuff, definitely a channel to keep an eye on 👀
Thank you! That means a lot. Working on more stuff like this!
No one beats Callie and Marie but I love Deep Cut vastly more than Off the Hook, and their presentation is the best. Can't wait to see more of them
There presentation really is the best. I get what you mean. As character, Callie and Marie are slightly better for sure. The story mode seems to have everyone! Hoping we get to see Pearl and Marina as well
fryes sleeve thing is also kind of fan-shaped!
Yes! Same shape language. I love her design so much!
Note that the sign says "oh my" just in the warped Splatoon way
Not only the architecture is Japanese but also the music is mixed Japanese and Indian likewise! For example on Frye’s design and solo music is heavily inspired by India! :)
Yes! That's a great point. I honestly really love how they went about designing the music as well. The story mode shows us much more of Frye's Indian side too which I love!
5:40 i feel like the song has south american music on it. but idk if it is cause idk any music in brazil but i know songs from the movie Rio made in 2011 that sounds like this :) --> 0:03 0:50
It totally does! Brazilian music has those instruments. Very uplifting and celebratory as well. Usually using that whistle sound too! Btw, I've always wanted to watch that movie haha
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“They did something impossible by making tradition seem rebellious” wow tell me you’re white without telling me you’re white
I'm not white. lol And I said rebellious and modern as in exploring things outside of tradition while embracing it. I thought I made that clear when talking about the modern pattern used as a background to traditional brush lettering on the sign. Things like that is what I believe bridged the gap between tradition and modern
Super awesome video.
Thank you so much!
Great vid!
Thank you!
im surprised they managed to pull off the,
what the hek are these character designs vibe that gets better the longer you see them in game
I definitely love the deep cut look and outfit its The perfect mix of east, sourh and southeast asia
They manged to blend 2 completly diferent cultures and create something fantastic
What song did you use in the background? Cool video btw, I’m on a splatoon high :,)
In order: Anarchy Rainbow by Deep Cut, Shellfie by Chirpy Chips, and I unfortunately do not remember the last one. Should be a singleplayer song though. Thanks btw! Just three more days!!
@@DekuGamer I think I found the last song(the one I was looking for) but thanks so much! I like all the sound effects lol
I learned why I subscribed to you. gj
Haha thanks! Glad you liked the video