I'm probably one of the few that would suggest the index has gone backwards: I've been gaming for almost 30yrs, & my hand hurts, sometimes quite badly, so when I suddenly have to click more times than before, a thing has got worse. I also use ad-block, but that's partly because it literally hurts not to.
This tank is decent. Not as powerful as the Progetto, Bourrasque or 122TM but it can do its job properly. The alpha wasn't buffed to 280 like with the other german tanks using the 88 mm gun but it can still perform well.
An alpha buff to 280-300 would be so good. Indien pz would also be better finally. I also feel like the Indien would fit the leo line much better with higher alpha.
A problem with this tank is that it was passivly nerfed, as most other german mediums got there alpha up with the 8,8 cm. Mutz has 250, and all the others now have 280. without reload nerf. Also, in my opinion the tank is not fast enough to make up for the low dpm and bad armor. Since the buff for the 8,8cm, I would say that the Panther 88 is the better tank. I have over 1000 battles with both tanks.
Thats only 3 german medium tanks, who got that buff and one of them is the tier 9 e50. The other 2 are the Panther 2 and the Premium Panther at tier 8. The Indian panzer has the 250 Alpha too and no buff yet.
I honestly prefered the E50 with the previous 3.6 reload that could be achieved with bond equipment, BIA and consumables. It was a permatrack machine but the problem is how expensive it is with the 88 mm gun. For tanks like the Tiger 1 and the Panther it feels nice though.
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@@Astelch FCM is a heavy not a med and I don't have patton so I will take your word for it. So if cdc and patton are horrible (1 star) what med/prem is bad? mutz
i like it actually. it's a downgrade of Leo, Kunze... good gunhandling, no armor, good HE, mobile enough.... yeah it isn't a bourrasque or Kpz07rh,... it's good enough to be fun to play
For me the panzer 58 mutz is one of the nicest tier VIII meds because it has a nice gun and good view range so you can get a lot of assists and your shots rarely miss. Of course, this is my opinion and you may have a different opinion about it.
Regarding the view range, dont forget that while the tank has 390m base, the Commander is also the Radio operator, which is a problem if you dont have a very good crew, because many other german tanks have a dedicated Radio operator
Yes, Mutz can do the job on sniping and/or spotting. the one drawback it has it is the weak armor - is it the weakest of any tier 8's mediums? the 2 cupolas even make you avoid playing hulldown.
Funny story, I was playing M44 (I know I'll go to hell) and our LT flipped on his side, I went to unflip him under enemy fire and died doing so (Enemy GW panther got me in the end). seeing me dead he went trololo to enemy base screaming VENGEANCE in the chat and killed the GW panther, he died doing so... It was one of my favorite battle ever in WoT :)
This Tank is like a faster indian Pz with no protection. That being said throw back to when this tank, AMX CDC, and M4 rev competed for the best premium medium tank. Also today is day TWENTY TWO asking for Charlemagne:)
Hey, I completed the millionpugs event and placed high enough to earn the m41 light tank, but I'm not sure how to claim it and it hasn't shown up. Does anyone know how to claim it or what I'm doing wrong?
Alternatively, leave the aim time what it is and buff the accurracy instead, so that it gets around 0.27 when maxed out (without improved aiming unit)! 🤔 Most unsatisfying feeling is to aim foe ages and miss, because gun says "Oh look, a mole! Lets hit him instead of enemy!" 🤣
I always treated the Mutz as a a cross between a Cromwell and a Leopard. One of the best purchases I made in game.(got in on the black market event for 3.5 million credits iirc). Funny thing is, the Panzer 58 had 2 other guns, the British 20 pounder, and the L7. They made the copy with the black skin, but they could have made it more desirable to buy if they had given it the 20 pounder.
like so many older prems it just isnt meta :( Not a bad tank and can still have decent games but to many tanks have more alpha or real armor or true mobility ........ needs lots of love(buff) and could be top ten again
I understand your thoughts about Pz mutz, but imo it's a bad tank, and not a versatile one. I say so because you have paper armor (only some lucky bounces sometimes), you can allmost only snipe with that tank. Plus only good features of this tank are good HE pen, good gun dep, great gold shells (velocity is godlike) and good accuracy when fully aimed, that's it. Mobility is mid for a med tank, armor allmost doesn't exist, alpha dmg is low, dpm is nothing great => in this meta as med, you eather want to have good alpha dmg, or autoloader, if you a have none, then a bit of turret armor. This tank has none of those things. You can't do much other than snipe, there are just SO MUCH better tanks. IMO, tanks which used to be average like 2 years ago (such as this tank) are now kinda bad. I don't hate this tank, I just hope WG would buff it a bit, cuz it's just a tank which everyone forgets about.
I have two marks of excrllence on it and will get the thrid one soon but since i bought it 500 battles ago, i still am below 50% ratio - how can that be? It feels liek cursed 😅
IMO Mutz has no property above average but to compensate it has only one weakness, armor - or the complete absence of it. armor for a med is not that relevant even so it is nice you have some like turrets of centurion or 122tm enabling you to go proper hulldown. looking on Progetto ... what armor? So nothing is realy shining and one minor thing is bad, makes this a tank bad? not necessarily, but for sure this makes Mutz a hard tank to play with and definitly not beginner friendly. It can have a 3 of 5 star rating but with the big warning. on a 10 star scale for me it would clearly be on 5 but not 6 stars
@@edelmann4388 Up to you, think what you want of course. But for exemple, CDC has also only one bad thing which is also the armor, though I think we can both agree that CDC is a bad tank. Progetto has no turret armor, but it has an autoreloader. What mostly makes mutz a bad tank, in my opinion once again, is the fact that there are too much other tanks which fill the same role while being much stronger. Btw, turret armor can be very relevant on a med, depending of the gameplay of that one, if tanks like 121b and Cent AX had the same turret armor as a Leo 1, these tank would be much much worse.
I hated this tank with Intensity. The low alpha made sure nobody respects you and higher tiers just push you out of existence without any problems. You have no armor and lots of tanks can pen you with their HE which makes the tank even harder to play. Some people call this the Leopard 1 of Tier 8, which is completly bs as the accuracy is miles away from a Leo 1. Sold it in the last six months and bought a EVEN 90 for it. Best choice I ever made in WOT. Stay away from this pile of crap unless you are a fluffy superunicum that appreciates the challenge.
I only ever played it on sandbox server, and it worked really well. On paper the stats are worse than Indien Panzer, but for me, it was the other way around.
I somehow cant manage to make this thing work... I have my second MOE on it and think ill achieve the thrid as well, but im at above 500 battles now and still below 50% win ratio... It feels like this tank is cursed: Traverse Speed like a battleship combined witj trollish armor, which denies service in the most important moments. That weird combination is topped by some of the worst dpm on its tier and even its defined as a "sniper tank", even my progetto 46 is more precise🤦♂️ All in all that tank lags stand-alone capacity for me and i will really be lucky when i managed to get it over the 50% WR so i can sell it 🎉
This tank was good in 2018, its been a while its an average tank. many other meds can med better, and if you wanna snipe, buy a sniper prem and have a greater time!
on Mutz you can't apply camo, but the camo-rating is same as for Pz.58 with camo applied. thats the sole difference on the 3 Pz58 , std/Black/Mutz clones in WOT. I am not sure if you can put extra camo on Black
My only 8 tier premium tank which I bought for bonds on my F2P acc. I loved that tank, you need to think when you are playing it. Not playing or watch WoT content for more than 1 year, but I need to write this comment and like the video for all good memories I get from the game, skill4ltu clan and from watching the skill4ltu of course. Keep the good work up baboon king. carter_ultimatefrisbee
This thing just doesn't work for me. very outdated :'d I used to like it a lot when it first came out but now it's just sitting in my garage collecting dust.
![World of Tanks - Panzer 58 Mutz, der Schweizer Bär [deutsch]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/6OGxs9KiuzQ/mqdefault.jpg)
Mutz is my first ever 3 mark tank? It really taught me how to play medium tanks and since then i was able to 3 mark all tier 10 meds
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בעוד כמה שעות הלב שלך יעצור אם אתה רוצה לעצור את זה בעוד כמה שעות הלב שלך יפסיק אם אתה רוצה לעצור את זה אז להירשם אליז
It's ok to ask yourself what you already know, just to be sure.
How to play mediums?
I'm probably one of the few that would suggest the index has gone backwards: I've been gaming for almost 30yrs, & my hand hurts, sometimes quite badly, so when I suddenly have to click more times than before, a thing has got worse. I also use ad-block, but that's partly because it literally hurts not to.
I had my scumbus flipped fleaing enemy assault, this wonderful AMX 1357 unflipped me, don't know how to thank him, he went winning the battle also.
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בעוד כמה שעות הלב שלך יעצור אם אתה רוצה לעצור את זה בעוד כמה שעות הלב שלך יפסיק אם אתה רוצה לעצור את זה אז להירשם אליז
This tank is decent. Not as powerful as the Progetto, Bourrasque or 122TM but it can do its job properly. The alpha wasn't buffed to 280 like with the other german tanks using the 88 mm gun but it can still perform well.
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בעוד כמה שעות הלב שלך יעצור אם אתה רוצה לעצור את זה בעוד כמה שעות הלב שלך יפסיק אם אתה רוצה לעצור את זה אז להירשם אליז
An alpha buff to 280-300 would be so good. Indien pz would also be better finally. I also feel like the Indien would fit the leo line much better with higher alpha.
Bro I just can't perform decently on this tank, I just get rapped every battle 😂😂
I had fun in that tank. The black variant.
A problem with this tank is that it was passivly nerfed, as most other german mediums got there alpha up with the 8,8 cm. Mutz has 250, and all the others now have 280. without reload nerf. Also, in my opinion the tank is not fast enough to make up for the low dpm and bad armor. Since the buff for the 8,8cm, I would say that the Panther 88 is the better tank. I have over 1000 battles with both tanks.
Thats only 3 german medium tanks, who got that buff and one of them is the tier 9 e50. The other 2 are the Panther 2 and the Premium Panther at tier 8. The Indian panzer has the 250 Alpha too and no buff yet.
I honestly prefered the E50 with the previous 3.6 reload that could be achieved with bond equipment, BIA and consumables. It was a permatrack machine but the problem is how expensive it is with the 88 mm gun. For tanks like the Tiger 1 and the Panther it feels nice though.
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בעוד כמה שעות הלב שלך יעצור אם אתה רוצה לעצור את זה בעוד כמה שעות הלב שלך יפסיק אם אתה רוצה לעצור את זה אז להירשם אליז
Ahhh yes, the classic beer on the side of the tank
I had issues viewing tanks in the index but then saw the notice on the homepage that I had to logout and login and it worked. Thanks again for the great resource :)
0:00 good day sir! im happy about mutz, i know its not the best tank, but one of my favourites and it can work, im extra ordinary ready lets goo!
Need to add another set of stars to the index for ease of credit making.
Every time I play this tank I realize how bad it is and how much I hate it. If this tank isn't bad what premium med is worse, cdc yes and....
Fmc 50t. 59 Patton.
@@Astelch FCM is a heavy not a med and I don't have patton so I will take your word for it. So if cdc and patton are horrible (1 star) what med/prem is bad? mutz
i like it actually.
it's a downgrade of Leo, Kunze...
good gunhandling, no armor, good HE, mobile enough....
yeah it isn't a bourrasque or Kpz07rh,...
it's good enough to be fun to play
For me the panzer 58 mutz is one of the nicest tier VIII meds because it has a nice gun and good view range so you can get a lot of assists and your shots rarely miss. Of course, this is my opinion and you may have a different opinion about it.
Regarding the view range, dont forget that while the tank has 390m base, the Commander is also the Radio operator, which is a problem if you dont have a very good crew, because many other german tanks have a dedicated Radio operator
@@JanManthay good point
Yes, Mutz can do the job on sniping and/or spotting. the one drawback it has it is the weak armor - is it the weakest of any tier 8's mediums? the 2 cupolas even make you avoid playing hulldown.
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בעוד כמה שעות הלב שלך יעצור אם אתה רוצה לעצור את זה בעוד כמה שעות הלב שלך יפסיק אם אתה רוצה לעצור את זה אז להירשם אליז
Funny story, I was playing M44 (I know I'll go to hell) and our LT flipped on his side, I went to unflip him under enemy fire and died doing so (Enemy GW panther got me in the end). seeing me dead he went trololo to enemy base screaming VENGEANCE in the chat and killed the GW panther, he died doing so... It was one of my favorite battle ever in WoT :)
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בעוד כמה שעות הלב שלך יעצור אם אתה רוצה לעצור את זה בעוד כמה שעות הלב שלך יפסיק אם אתה רוצה לעצור את זה אז להירשם אליז
This Tank is like a faster indian Pz with no protection. That being said throw back to when this tank, AMX CDC, and M4 rev competed for the best premium medium tank. Also today is day TWENTY TWO asking for Charlemagne:)
looks like an indien pz with worse dpm and accuracy and better mobility
I hate and love this tank in the same time. The gold ammo velocity is insane(1400 something) but im still missing soo many random shots
I find this tank pretty decent for sniper schnitzeling, I like pull this tank if I don't feel like playing competitively.
The gun is weird. Fully aimed, you almost never, ever miss.
But 95% aimed? Miss badly.
It reminds me of the Leopard from back in the day, before Wargaming buffed the soft stats.
Hey, I completed the millionpugs event and placed high enough to earn the m41 light tank, but I'm not sure how to claim it and it hasn't shown up. Does anyone know how to claim it or what I'm doing wrong?
Hello. May I ask for help with rating tanks on the index? Can't figure it out
Sorr, I'm dumb
?You have to be logged in and also you need to have at least 50 games in a tank if im correct
Needs effective turret armor OR much faster aim time.
I don't think that every tanks needs turret armor. I totally agree this tank needs a way better aim time
Alternatively, leave the aim time what it is and buff the accurracy instead, so that it gets around 0.27 when maxed out (without improved aiming unit)! 🤔
Most unsatisfying feeling is to aim foe ages and miss, because gun says "Oh look, a mole! Lets hit him instead of enemy!" 🤣
I always treated the Mutz as a a cross between a Cromwell and a Leopard. One of the best purchases I made in game.(got in on the black market event for 3.5 million credits iirc). Funny thing is, the Panzer 58 had 2 other guns, the British 20 pounder, and the L7. They made the copy with the black skin, but they could have made it more desirable to buy if they had given it the 20 pounder.
Imagine if it had an L7, and a working 20mm coaxial...
4 day waiting for "NO GOLD 3MARKS BZ 176 CHALLENGE"
THIS!
Смотрел стрим где ты играл на VZ 55 Посмеялся от души от твоих комментариев. Удачи.
Eu gosto desse tanque, mas nao foi um bom teste . Nenhum mapa na cidade e nenhum tier 10
In Greek the word MUTZA, it means to throw all 5 fingers in the other person's face - lol 😂
Lucky I stopped playing Arty... I used too pick on top tier..😊
Can you remove the 2D Style from the Mutz and use a diffrent one?
No you can't.
like so many older prems it just isnt meta :( Not a bad tank and can still have decent games but to many tanks have more alpha or real armor or true mobility ........ needs lots of love(buff) and could be top ten again
Second game was best i saw in a while in WOT.
Dez-Dak-Skill plat for the win.
I lobe it, for me it a t8 leopard, and must be played like this.
The he is powerfull on paper tank like skorpion 😊
Not even full field mods and still plays insane games
They don't really matter much.
As long as your tank isn't stock and you have an equipment mounted you're good to go.
I understand your thoughts about Pz mutz, but imo it's a bad tank, and not a versatile one.
I say so because you have paper armor (only some lucky bounces sometimes), you can allmost only snipe with that tank.
Plus only good features of this tank are good HE pen, good gun dep, great gold shells (velocity is godlike) and good accuracy when fully aimed, that's it.
Mobility is mid for a med tank, armor allmost doesn't exist, alpha dmg is low, dpm is nothing great => in this meta as med, you eather want to have good alpha dmg, or autoloader, if you a have none, then a bit of turret armor.
This tank has none of those things.
You can't do much other than snipe, there are just SO MUCH better tanks.
IMO, tanks which used to be average like 2 years ago (such as this tank) are now kinda bad.
I don't hate this tank, I just hope WG would buff it a bit, cuz it's just a tank which everyone forgets about.
I have two marks of excrllence on it and will get the thrid one soon but since i bought it 500 battles ago, i still am below 50% ratio - how can that be? It feels liek cursed 😅
IMO Mutz has no property above average but to compensate it has only one weakness, armor - or the complete absence of it. armor for a med is not that relevant even so it is nice you have some like turrets of centurion or 122tm enabling you to go proper hulldown. looking on Progetto ... what armor? So nothing is realy shining and one minor thing is bad, makes this a tank bad? not necessarily, but for sure this makes Mutz a hard tank to play with and definitly not beginner friendly. It can have a 3 of 5 star rating but with the big warning. on a 10 star scale for me it would clearly be on 5 but not 6 stars
@@edelmann4388 Up to you, think what you want of course.
But for exemple, CDC has also only one bad thing which is also the armor, though I think we can both agree that CDC is a bad tank.
Progetto has no turret armor, but it has an autoreloader.
What mostly makes mutz a bad tank, in my opinion once again, is the fact that there are too much other tanks which fill the same role while being much stronger.
Btw, turret armor can be very relevant on a med, depending of the gameplay of that one, if tanks like 121b and Cent AX had the same turret armor as a Leo 1, these tank would be much much worse.
It's my Leo training tank. Got this before grinding the leo MT line. It's pretty good. Fun to shoot 400 damage every 6 seconds on paper tanks.
as long you are not the paper target for some guy doing target practice in enemy team hahaha
@@edelmann4388 then try not to be 👌
German T-44
Kurwaflowers for the LT altruist!
Charlemagne when?
I hated this tank with Intensity. The low alpha made sure nobody respects you and higher tiers just push you out of existence without any problems.
You have no armor and lots of tanks can pen you with their HE which makes the tank even harder to play. Some people call this the Leopard 1 of Tier 8, which is completly bs as the accuracy is miles away from a Leo 1. Sold it in the last six months and bought a EVEN 90 for it. Best choice I ever made in WOT. Stay away from this pile of crap unless you are a fluffy superunicum that appreciates the challenge.
This is the only premium tank I have ever sold. Gun pissed me off too much.
I only ever played it on sandbox server, and it worked really well. On paper the stats are worse than Indien Panzer, but for me, it was the other way around.
I somehow cant manage to make this thing work...
I have my second MOE on it and think ill achieve the thrid as well, but im at above 500 battles now and still below 50% win ratio...
It feels like this tank is cursed:
Traverse Speed like a battleship combined witj trollish armor, which denies service in the most important moments. That weird combination is topped by some of the worst dpm on its tier and even its defined as a "sniper tank", even my progetto 46 is more precise🤦♂️
All in all that tank lags stand-alone capacity for me and i will really be lucky when i managed to get it over the 50% WR so i can sell it 🎉
This tank was good in 2018, its been a while its an average tank. many other meds can med better, and if you wanna snipe, buy a sniper prem and have a greater time!
This tank can work with Camo
on Mutz you can't apply camo, but the camo-rating is same as for Pz.58 with camo applied. thats the sole difference on the 3 Pz58 , std/Black/Mutz clones in WOT. I am not sure if you can put extra camo on Black
ggs, thnx
Panzer Muts is my Darling ❤️☺️
Mutz family😂
240 alpha is unplayable at t8 for me at least (except for prog) 2/5
My only 8 tier premium tank which I bought for bonds on my F2P acc. I loved that tank, you need to think when you are playing it. Not playing or watch WoT content for more than 1 year, but I need to write this comment and like the video for all good memories I get from the game, skill4ltu clan and from watching the skill4ltu of course. Keep the good work up baboon king. carter_ultimatefrisbee
This thing just doesn't work for me. very outdated :'d I used to like it a lot when it first came out but now it's just sitting in my garage collecting dust.
I couldn't stand this piece of poopoo... I traded it for a Kpz 07 and boy oh boy, what a beautiful upgrade that was
Chimara vid plz skilllllll 🥺
i feel like this tank is pointless, the fact that it is at the same tier as bourrasqueis ridiculous
It's a crap paper tank😅😅😅
FIRST ......!
Impressive
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