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The Drop C riffs around the 10 minute mark really hit the spot wow… what a TONE 🔥
Sounded a little lower than c , no ? Well when he wasn’t playing those death metal Chords than it was more like drop c
@@tucko11 thats e standard 😁
@@arranbans no he literally says drop c did you watch?
@@TarshishedCactus sure he says drop c but compare what he plays to what you hear. Definitely e standard.
@@arranbanslol @10:22 after he says "Drop C" and you don't believe him, he starts playing riffs where he's clearly playing barre chords with one finger across three strings, same fret. Fretting barre chords like this requires the three lowest strings to be tuned to a power/barre chord (root fifth 8th), which is consistent with drop D/C/etc.
Holy hell that thing sounds phenomenal!!!! And I love the new riff at the intro!
Around the 19:00 mark, the All Out War riff totally slayed, a tone 2 die for!
I am lucky enough to own this beast paired with an OS slant 4x12 cab! You can get pretty much every kind of tone you want from it. From blues to modern metal. It just needs extra care with the presence/treble knobs like you showed. Putting an OD in front....man it becomes instant chug heaven! To my ears when you set it to 150 watt, I think the tone clears a bit from the fizz. Also, I find that putting the master output at noon and then adjusting the separate volume of each channel also clears some fizz. Great playthrough/showcase as always!
Your smile towards the end is priceless too
Dude the minute you brought the mids out, I instantly liked it! Dare I say, “modded Marshall type tones” when you took off the roundness of the tone?! I’m impressed!
I instantly thought the same thing. I think I need to buy an sd-1
@Ben Potter Yeah I think that my mind is changed on these amps now. I may have to grab one as well.
the manual says the treble is the first knob in the circuit and so it influences all other EQ settings. That said you should adjust the treble first and then the rest
I actually found that the Raw and Vintage make a better crunch one with the gain low than the Pushed mode on the green. The green channel is just super dark and congested even if a boost and the presence and treble cranked. I generally have it on the clean and hit it with an overdrive for this very thick and dirty breakup and when you boost the pushed it gets this nasty grunge sound.
I've got a DR Multiwatt also and it's my fav amp of all time. I boost mine with a Mesa Grid Slammer and it's awesome. Personally, I run mine in 50 watt also - I find it a bit warmer and I like the chunkier palm mutes.
I tried one of these at a local music store and didn’t like it, in hindsight I didn’t know how to dial in a good tone back then haha, sounds awesome man
Another great recto video Kyle! I have a dual recto and it sounds mean in modern mode on channel 3 but I’m going to try the treble at 0 trick you mentioned here! 😊
My absolute dream amp!
In my experience, a 33 style pedal also works awesome in front of a Rectifier. Just got a new Rectifier the other day. This one is a multi watt Triple
I never enjoyed my solo series dual rec. I felt like it was very muddy it most settings. However, I always wanted to try a multi-watt triple.
One trick i found if u don't wanna use a boost and find it a little dry and need more saturation; the presence works to add more saturation to the gain not just more top end. Just crank presence to around 8 with gain maxed. It still won't be tight in the lows so leaving the presence around noon and gain around 8 and using a boost is still prefered. Just a maxon 808 green or red is enough otherwise pepers dirty tree and the savage drive work great with it. Legendary metal amp for a solid reason \m/ \m/
I love the tones you got! Sometimes though, I feel like the only player that could never gel with these amps.
They make you work for it, more than any other amp I've played. Big turn off for many.
Sorry, the magic happened when you kicked the mud killer in!!! What a great pedal for this amp
I got this in 2008, this and the Engl Powerball are my favorite amps ever made. I run this on the red channel with a milk box compressor, crybaby from hell and a behringer tube screamer (808 clone) up front, with a mxr 10 band eq and boss ns-2 in the effects loop. And it sounds great. The reason I like it so much more now than when I bought it is because the way I have it set up, it produces a crushing metal tone that doesn’t sound like the carbon copy 6505 sound you hear on virtually every major record in the metal world. That and I’ve taken it on tours and played countless shows with it and it’s been rock solid.
Multi watts didn’t come out till 2010
Powerball 1 or 2?
@@AshtonBMauiyou’re right, I have the regular one or whatever it’s official name is. It’s a 150 watt Mesa Triple Rectifier with 6L6’s. And it sounds great the way I have it set up.
I really want an Engl Savage.
Idk if I got a special one or something but my roadster is my favorite amp I’ve ever owned. I haven’t owned a ton of boogies tho. That thing is awesome!
Oh ya that trip rec I got is all about classic rock ....
the thing sounds ripper on my 60 series Marshall with the vintage 25watt green backs ..
with triprec you get so many knobs and switches it ain't even funny, I just love it ....
I have a 97 rev G triple recto and wouldn't sell it if my life depended on it. The red channel on this amp is king when it comes to brutal rythm guitar tones.
Rectos can be a little hard to dial in for the uninitiated. I thought I hated mine at first now I love it.
Agreed. I’ve had hard time getting dialed in and sounding good without a tube screamer in front. Still working on it.
It sounds brutal on modern setting. I like it.
Recorded an album with the treble pulled out...and then did another one with the treble at around 10 o clock. Also the effects loop return should be all the way down. Opens my triple rectifier right up!
I vote for a high gain review of the relatively affordable Marshall AVT150h and seeing what kind of a tone you can get out of it.
(6:20) The red channel has a negative feedback loop, the negative feedback is only disengaged when either the Orange or Red channels are set to the modern mode.
That amp sounds awersome!
Terror riff to open it up was sick
I adore my Mesa Tri Rec and would also say it's probably the best amp on earth for what I do.
Great tone.. congrats!!! What about the back config, it is spongy or bold?
My favorite dual rectifiers are the single rectifiers, they sound really good
Can you please elaborate on that for me because I have a local guy selling a single rectifier series 1,the amp damn near looks new and I can snagg it for $600.is that a good price?
@@bigmike9527 bet your ass it's a good price, but of course, check for yourself if the amp will please you, after all it's all about personal preference.
I've owned/played a ton of Rectos over the last 23 years, from RevvC, F, G, old 3 chanel and the Multiwatt. The Multiwatt is hands down my favorite. Especially driven with a Direwolf or Grid Slammer
So what you rocking as a replacement?
Same here, Owned em all and still have my 2012 multi-watt dual.
The dream amp for me is this. I don't think many things can beat this sound except for 5150s in some format , peavey, it's, 6505 series, evh 5150iiis and iconics pretty cool as well maybe not as full sounding. Maybe the mark series but good God
Not many can beat my Mesa tremoverb, but my Fryette does, and my EVH stealth sure gives it a solid run for its money. SLO100 will also outshine it for high gain clarity and note definition. I will never sell my Mesa though.
I got to try out a MB Coliseum 1/2 stack (Black Widow dishes) in ‘90; now THAT was the BEST MB ever.
I’m into effects, & that beast needed not 1 at all.
I just couldn’t get over how perfect she was bone dry.😤
There's a good price on a used one locally. My only hesitation is that i know for a fact I don't need what it's capable of. I used to own an early dual rec and after years of apartment dwelling, I'm finally back in a place I could use a head. Tough decision, especially when I have an HX Stomp within its return window lol. I get digital noise through the Syomp with high gain and I miss my amp knobs.
What pedal are you using to change tuning? Love the Mesa Triple Reborn!🤘🏻
I just got my older, non multi-watt Triple Rec fixed, so for the first time I got to use it at 100% strength. Wow, I've been missing out all this time.
How do you run yours in regards to fx loop? I have one as well with the dreaded parallel fx loop... I find its a very difficult amp to dial in properly...
@Goatermeister I have yet to touch the loop. Just enjoying it as it is for now.
The best rec I’ve ever played was Mike Hasty’s (Walls of Jericho)dual racktifier rev g hands down. He runs it with EL34’s to tame the low end which there’s still plenty. He has the presence all the way down and just uses the treble boosted with a Maxon 808 of course.
Agreed
Agreed
I literally just got one a few days ago!
You had to do it. The premier gear channel doing the triple. Mines not a multi watt I wonder how different it is from this one?!
Gonna need some more Bolt Thrower riffs 🤘🏻😠🤘🏻
My Triple is the best amp I
I’ve ever owned, at least for rock and metal, no other amp compares.
did you get new lighting equipment? looking good
Definitely a lot tighter on the 150 watt setting
One thing you may be missing is what the Presence knob is doing in Modern mode. Since negative feedback is removed in that mode but the Presence knob obviously does something, you may wonder what it’s doing.
To simplify what I roughly remember about it, it’s basically adjusting what amounts to a high shelf or almost like a low pass that exists as part of the tone stack circuit. On other modes it is set at a certain frequency above which everything starts to get dumped to ground and you gain that back in a different way through the negative feedback via the Presence knob. On Modern mode you’re able to adjust that and add high frequencies back in at that point in the circuit.
In Modern Mode the presence control is a simple treble cut circuit similar to the Tone knob on a guitar. It acts like a shelf filter.
In Raw and Vintage the negative feedback is enabled and the presence acts as a high end boost. It's not fixed in frequency it is also a shelf filter. The more you turn it up the more it will move down in frequency and also increase the boost.
@@UncleBensRice In Raw/Vintage Presence simultaneously adjusts negative feedback and that treble filtering from the tone stack as well? I did not know that. I thought it was essentially just set to shelve off at a certain frequency in those modes.
The tone stack is weird. I remember the frequency range of the mid and treble knobs overlap somewhat and the that of the treble knob isn’t actually very high. It’s almost like you just have two mid knobs.
@@Aibric No that is not waht I meant. In Vintage and Raw the negative feedback loop is engaged. Applying negative feedback does lower the gain (not to be confused with preamp gain/distortion) of the poweramp.
On a Rectifier the amount of negative feedback is fixed for all modes but modern.
The presence control gives you a way of cutting some high end out of that negative feedback loop so less high end is feedback into the power amp. Because there is less negative feedback in the highs there is also a smaller loss of gain for the high end and we perceive this as a boost in the high end.
Now the presence control is not set to any specific frequency like a eq slider is.
If you turn it up it will boost the highs more and more but it will also come down in frequency and will also start to affect the mids.
The eq circuit doesn't have any specific set frequencies for the bass mids and treble knobs.
With everthing set to 5 the eq curve looks like a V shape. It has a big dip in the mids around 500Hz. There is some interaction going on between the controls most notably between the treble and the mids, because the treble determines where that mid dip sits frequency wise.
If you turn the treble up the mid dip will shift down in frequency to 300-450Hz. If you turn the treble down the mid dip will shift up to 600-700Hz.
What most people don't the eq circuit is almost identical to the standard Marshall eq.
@@UncleBensRice yeah sorry I totally mistook your meaning.
I was probably remembering incorrectly (ever since I started raising kids I swear my memory is corrupted) that the high cut was still in the circuit in the other modes just at a fixed value. I’ve had it in my head that this is some weird thing about Rectos for a long time and it never made sense to me except to maybe explain why the treble knob doesn’t seem to “open up” the high end like on a 5150 or something.
@@Aibric The high cut that is used in the preamp in Modern mode is also used in Vintage and Raw. But most the time it is fixed so thats why I didn't mention it. On the old 3ch in orange raw you can adjust it. Or on a 2ch. with red cloned to vintage.
All the Rectifiers have somewhat unique modes that aren't included on other Rectifiers. The only Mode that is equal on all the heads is red modern.
Thumbnail got me singing "The Best" by Tina Turner. LOL
I got one of these earlier this year through Reverb when I was searching for a Badlander. At 1600 and lightly used, it was a steal, especially now that they're basically $3k new before tax. Its my favorite amp in my small collection. I mostly live on the red modern channel, sounds great for the more downtuned and 7 string stuff I play.
yeah you stole that for 1600. I'd buy another badlander all day for 1600. I bought one brand new and I do not regret it at all :)
Well done sir!
I hope you gonna review the roadster one day!
It rocked my world 🤘
That Terror riff to start the vid 😎
Sounds great; I can see these becoming desirable.
Trem-o-verb for the win.
“And dudes with constant lens flare on their glasses” 😂
Imo the bad lander or mark series sound soooo much better than a dual or triple rec
How did you make that Balaguer a silverburst?? Ive been searching on the custom builder and theres a metallica one, but does not look as clean as yours
I prefer my recto on the 'vintage' setting, 'modern' mode has never been my thing either
the Legend!
Would love to hear a shootout between this one and the KSR!!
Awesome amp
Which rectification mode(s) did you use here?
Red channel with the mud killer 🦴🦴
I'm very surprised that you didn't dial the presence and mids back to zero 😅. Not sure if you ever tried that setting which is pretty common on those amps! That's on the orange vintage channel
Was the loop engaged using the amps master volume?
I know in the earlier 3 channel Recto's, the Presence Pot on the Orange vs Red channels were different. If I remember correctly, Mesa even offered where you could buy the other channel's Presence Pot to replace in the other channel, for whichever you liked better. I also remember being able to completely change or ruin your tone depending on your Send/Receive settings on the loop. That and of course the Bold vs Spongy and Tube vs Silicon Diode Rectifier. I absolutely loved recto's until I played a VHT Pittbull ULX and eventually a Soldano SLO and REVV.
Fryette UL is king for hardcore,, so is SLO100 (for everything else and metal), Mesa is like the prince,, still royal, but not quite the king. Also, the EVH stealth is for the money, pretty damn close to sounding as bad ass as those other 3 wrapped into one amp.
@@realtruenorth what I noticed as we went from a dual recto three channel to a Hughes and Kettner triamp, then a Bogner extacy, then a revv generator 120p, then the vht/fryette ULX eq and Soldano slo100 was that the clarity increased significantly. At one point we thought recto’s were the pinnacle, then we started trying other dream heads and realized that the others killed them clarity/quality wise. I had a 5150/5150 II, but never tried it even heard the newer evh stuff. I’d like to score one to try it all.
@@ghostinthetreeline I agree Fryette UL pit and SLO100 are the pinnacle,, I would love to try a Huges and Kettner triamp Mark 3,, the new one. Have you tried the 3rd Gen version? Also, Fryette/VHT Sig X is on my check list.
dude is playing fight riffs lmfao speaking my language
Cheers, Kyle!
I think channels 2 & 3 are cloned : identical. Swear I read this in the manual years ago, and I’ve been scouring the manual just now but can’t find that particular little nugget of info.
Anyone else recall this?
As far as the preamp goes, that is correct. The only difference is the negative feedback circuit is removed from the power section on ch 3 which is why it's so much brighter and bassier.
Did you fix the issue with your DigiTech drop pedal?
Right out of the gate with Terror !!!
for me its the roadster, much more options, 4 channels...underrated so used even cheaper as any rectifier here in germany, hidden gem imo 🎸💪
Agreed! The Roadster has a darker/wetter voice that shines in hard rock (ie not tight metal)
@@andrewshell788 the roadsters presence potis have just a different value, so you have to turn them more up when you compare recti/roadster, thats all! bargain tip from fluffs channel 💪
@@mbgmail5911 don't know what was wrong with your roadster, mine sounds just amazing even compared a/b to the newer dual rect multi watt that i also have, nothing dark or harsh..tubes can be an "issue" here, the older rectos and roadster came stock with jj tubes that are much darker sounding compared to the chinese tubes that mesa is using most likely since the multiwatts..i changed all preamp tubes to high grade TAD 12ax7, power tubes to EL34! ( jj el34 v2 mesa matched) and i can tell you the difference is huge! hope that helps,l 🎸
can the tone be brightened up to cut better all the recoardings i hear of the roadster are so dark they sound bad in a mix is this user error or is it unable to brighten up like the dual
My Dual Rec Multi-watt is one of the best 100watt amps ive ever owned. Highly versatile!
Curious. Are any of the amps you have keeper amps? Amps you won't sell...
I sold mine, do I regret it? maybe, I like my 100w EHH's better though :) (edit mine was the dual multi)
@kyle : 09:30 what does "tuby" ("tubby" ?) means ?
Now I’m back to wanting a triple rec.
What do you think about the Horizon Devices Precision Drive?
That thing is clank central. Just use the maxon 808 or 808x. If u want something different try the pepers dirty tree or the savage drive
The Precision Drive sounds especially good! It was made for Rectifiers!
i feel ya on the constant lens flare man...
I have an earlier Triple Rec and cannot find any good settings. Help would be greatly appreciated. Should've bought a Marshall. Looking for that gritty growel. Playing through Mesa slant 4x. Just sold the Marshall Vin 30 4x straight cab. Anybody want to trade?
Well, listening to you playing the valve king amps and this, I know what I'd choose. It's great to have a ton of low-end thump, but that's what your bassist is for. The tones here are like teenager bedroom amps. How is this tone going to cut through, live and recorded? The first thing any engineer will do to record you is to roll off all that bassy dirge.
This thing CHUGS
you'd be better off buying an attenuator. there is a HUGE difference between 50 watts and 150 watts and I am not talking volume.
I have this amp in black-vinyl front with black vents. Went for the "classy" look lol. Red modern is where it's at for me most of the time, but orange vintage with a maxon 9+ is right there also. They said from the beginning that these were true clones between orange and red, and that the presence value was assigned per mode not per channel like they used to be,,,,,but if you look in the back of manual at the part numbers you will see that the presence pot is only dual-mode on the red and not the orange channel, so I'm not sure how they pull that off unless the orange's presence pot is only being used on raw and vintage and orange modern is re-routed to the red's pot.(?) Anyways my ears do not find them to be the same at all. I'm glad because I like the slight differences between modern in orange vs red, and vintage in orange vs red.
On the Multiwatt both channels have the stacked pot for the presence controls. On the older models not only the value but also the switching around the pot and the bright cap of the eq are different between orange and red.
The Multiwatt is the first Rectifier that has true channel cloning. Both channels are exactly the same circuit wise. The red channel has a tiny bit more presence due to some signal bleed on the circuit board.
@@UncleBensRice My multi-triple manual shows the green and orange presence pot as #590738 which is a single 250k linear. It shows only the red presence pot as #592596 which is the stacked pot. Have you opened it up and looked for yourself? I have not. I know they said they were both stacked and I remember an article by the main design guy John Marshall(formerly of Metal Church). Their own manual disagrees though.
@@metalgear74 I own both a 2014 Multiwatt Dual Rectifier and a 2001 Triple Rectifier and I opened both amps up to verify the schematics I have.
The Dual has stacked pots with 25k for raw and vintage and 100k for the modern mode.
The 250k is the right value for channel 1.
On the Multiwatt orange and red are identical. On the old 3channel orange and red are different and can't be exactly cloned.
On the Multiwatt you have only three modes:
Raw: feedback, 25k presence in poweramp, 500pf Treble cap
Vintage feedback, 25 presence in poweramp, 500pf Treble cap
Modern: no feedback, 100k presence after eq, 680pf Treble Cap
On the old 3ch:
Orange:
Raw: feedback, 25k presence after eq, 500pf Treble cap
Vintage: feedback, 25k presence in poweramp, 500pf Treble cap
Modern: no feedback, 25k presence in the poweramp, 500pf Treble cap
Raw: feedback, 100k presence in poweramp, 500pF Treble cap
Vintage: feedback, 100k presence in poweramp, 500pF Treble cap
Moderm: no feedback, 100k after eq, 680pF Treble cap
You can't really trust these manuals they have small errors here and there.
For instance:
The 2ch Rev G has wrong partsnumbers listed for the presence pot.
The old 3ch manual claims you could get the channels to sound the same by simply switching out the presence pots which is not true.
@@UncleBensRice Awesome info! Yeah I have found other errors in their manuals too. You'd think they would be more accurate on part #s, especially since it was a new model at the time I ordered mine in 2011. I can see on the older models where they were constantly revising the circuit and parts.
They can be modified heavily to sound far better than the stock amp.
LEEWAY, F*CK YEAH!
I don't know man, I've heard some surprisingly different tone with the dual vs triple, the triple sounding better. I am not sure if it is because of the headroom or what but the mids just had a better sound when scooped a little.
I'm sure it comes down to the revision of the amp and not the difference in the power section. Even the 3 channels had multiple revisions that sound quite different.
@@belligerentamateur Yeah that makes sense.
You think the guy who sold you this amp wants it back now 😎
As far as metal tones which is really all I care about for the most part with the stuff I'm into , but yeah with metal tones I honestly don't think this one sounds all that superior if at all to the sound you managed to get outta that little marshall dsl20hr, yeah the dsl is 7.5x weaker comparing what's to what's as I'm pretty sure these mesas are something rediculous like 150watts of diesel all tube sound , shits gotta be pretty damn ear drumming blowing hooked up to two 4x12 cabs for a large show
The last time you got was fucking amazing
I JUST WANNA SAY THE 1 THING THAT GETS FORGOTTEN ABOUT THIS AMP, is how FUCKING GOOD it is for rock! The riff you played at 7:10 exactly like the good old days of all time low (this is how we roll)
And Yellowcard’s Ocean Avenue’s tone is textbook recto.
@@Nick-rf5weI must be getting old if All Time Low and Yellowcard are classic rock…..
Well you know, like they say Cannibal Corpse can’t be wrong!
XXX vs Tripple Rec shootout
Oh that was odd. It does sound better in E on the modern channel.
The lower the tuning, the more mids it needs to hear the fundamental note. That’s why Tube Screamers are a must for down tuning. The modern mode helps fill out the lack of low end from E Standard.
The negative feedback is removed on the MODERN setting only,on both the red and orange channels. The difference between orange and red channels is the presence pot,otherwise they are identical. I’ve gigged rectifiers for almost 20 yrs,and i have to agree with Kyle, the multiwatt dual is king.
On the Multiwatt both channels are exactly the same regardless of the selected mode.
On the older 3ch channels the switching around the presence pot was different, pot values were different and also the value of the treble cap is different (in modern mode only).
Most of that came from the old 2 channel heads and Mesa carried that over into the 3 channel heads. People complained throughout the years and that's why Mesa chose to finally do a proper channel cloning on the Multiwatt. For that reason the Multiwatt lacks some special modes the old heads could do.
I have to disagree with you, respectfully, of course. The best "rectifier" is the badlander ;) This sounds great though. I do have a MWDR (goldie) and it's fantastic. keep at it :)
I was underwhelmed by the Badlander. In a side by side comparison, the Dual Multiwatt was more aggressive and more fun to play. This coming from a Mesa Mark guy.
@@Tomcat82 I have what is probably considered the holy grail of mark amps (IIC+) and it doesn't do for me what my MWDR or the badlander (as I call it, the bad boy), or even my TC does for me. It's interesting how we have differing tastes as folks playing, even if we are playing the same music. Pretty cool really.
You forgot guitar "flare" not just lens "flare"🤣
*pushes glasses up on the bridge of nose*
You kids and your noise! The only way to test an amps tone is on the clean channel with a single coil strat from the late 50s, a I, IV, V chord progression with an add 9.
01:00 more stagedives
I kinda want to hear if it can do cleans but I can't stick around as I've go to go tell those rotten neighbor kids to get off my lawn.
That things evil....
If you buy one of those, they should offer a free exorcism.. 😆
Just point them out ::moshes around living room::
i love the video but i'm not give it a like just to keep the likes at 420