These are all the attacks and Runic attacks in God of War 2018 and God of War Ragnarok 2022 the one that aren't in both games im just showing so you can see the difference #godofwarragnarok #godofwar #kratos
well they didn't remove hand to hand combat but it sucks that they removed the barehanded skill tree but they do implement a lot more of the games combat than 2018
I mean, in the previous game, there was only one shield so adding a tree for it was fine but now the game has too much shields. Idk bout' you but I won't add tree for each and every shield. But to compensate, they added the spear :D
@@faruqsukabulan5039 This is a game about Gods, magical creatures and people that can turn themselves into animals. Are we really buying the idea that the weapons feel weaker because of freaking snow? The developers can then choose what makes sense and what doesn't and use that to cover up their laziness.
@@ArmoredG I can understand why they did this though, imagine if you could spam Tartarus rage, also in GOWR some Runic attacks were revamped into normal attacks which I see as a good change, (Ex: Hyperion grapple and River of knives)
@Jamari Spinner but some normal attacks were turned into runic attacks while some attacks were just straight up removed. Not to mention not having the executioner cleave anymore or relearning basic and runic attacks. That's just ridiculous.
My only complaint about gowr is the lack of "heaviness" the weapons don't feel heavy. They are light and quick but in gow2018 it's heavy and swift. Also they could have intensify the boss fights, especially Thor and Odin. Baldur still the best boss fight in gow.
we they do intensify the boss fight like the intros bossfights are impactful af especially thor who sends you across the arena more than baldur as well the fight being more chaotic
@@godzillazfriction does not feel like Baldur's. We fought him three times, 1st time we literally separated the land we were standing on. Thor just sent him flying across Midgard and created frozen lighting (pretty underwhelming). If they intensify it where it would literally shake the nine realms, the lands would be separated , the seas and lake would be violently shaking and everyone will feel the tremors cause by Thor and Kratos ; that would have made it really cool imo.
@@flaccidcake1230 THIS IS WHAT I THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO DO!!!!!!!!!!!! very disappointed their fight was supposed to be the biggest in the series handsdown
@@flaccidcake1230 You are so wrong about thor's first fight being less intense than Baldur's first time. Tho i do agree that Thor should have got more screentime and his final fight should have a bit more spectacle
I can see why some of the tweaks were made in Ragnarok, some like it some don't but serves a purpose. 2018 has more impact and felt heavier while Rag was faster and slightly floaty. But I noticed in Rag there are less delays in between attack inputs thus making it easier to transition from different combos to the next, hence why the sequel feels much faster in my opinion.
I honestly miss a lot the 2018 moveset, even with the axe, I miss the holding R2 move instead of the horizontal hack it does, and with the blades I just feel they leaned into the lesser fun aspects of 2018's moveset. I really miss the holding R1 move that lets you attack a lot of nearby enemies
I miss that too, you know whats weird? That you can see kratos using it in the first gowr trailer and in the end of it, you can also see him using the new one. Feels weird that they decided to remove it
The thing that disappointed me the most was how they nerfed the hell out of the meteoric strike animation of the blades of chaos. The animation for it in the last game was epic as hell.
I never liked the changes to the heaviness of both the Leviathan Axe and the Blades of Chaos. In the 2018 game they were heavy but quick, in Ragnarök they feel too "floaty". Especially noticable when you compare the stance switch sound effects from the 2018 game for the Leviathan Axe.
@@unluckyboy9209 his a greek god and age does not effect him, but he is restrining his true power by holding himself back and it physically affected him. that is why his attacks are not like his full spartan raged young self in gow3 because he is maintaining his potential to not be the monster he was
The combat in GOW 2018 was tremendously satisfying. Each hit built up elemental damage making the Axe/Blades glow brighter and you could really feel the damage those bad boys were doing. The weapons grew stronger visually with each consecutive strike, the swings were heavy and destructive. In Ragnarok it feels like something is missing, Kratos is lost in a sea of enemies and his strikes are not as distinctive when compared to 2018. They also removed the melee skill tree, featuring the fists and the shield ,which included some awesome moves. As an OG Fan I must say the whole game let me down a little bit. It is still an amazing, gorgeous world that no doubt took much effort to craft, I guess I just expected a little more.
there's a LOT of things going for ragnaroks combat but at first viewing yes it definitely sucks that they removed the barehand skill tree as well as some of the stances but with how much it is fully in ragnarok, it definitely is an upgrade and not a downgrade
For me personally it's the other way around. When i'm in the training arena in nifelheim and i have many enemys around me and i try the blades i legit feel every hit perfectly (especially with the cyclone of chaos). Of course that was also present in 2018 but not that much for me
@@dignelberrt yeah, so that's what's different when I do the hit and stop and hit again combo using the axe. It doesn't feel as good as the particle effects are toned down which I'm definitely not happy about. It's so satisfying to do that during GOW 2018.
They changed three major things: 1. The camera The camera pans away from kratos a remarkable amount. You no longer have to tilt the camera up to spot flying or large creatures because the are always in frame. Unfortunately that makes it less cinematic and immersive 2. The sound design Weapons no longer feel like they hit as hard because you can barely hear them. In 2018 the loudest sound in combat were those of your weapons. Your hits felt powerful, but not so much in ragnarok 3. The particle effects Ragnarok was step down in terms of effects. The effects of the axe and blades are now almost non-existent. Previously the weapons would project huge effect to convey the power of their hits. In ragnarok the effects doesn't even come close.
I disagree I think the axe affects are a lot better in Ragnarok. The blades design are not cool tho. The gold doesn't look fire and when the elemental is charged up it doesn't look anywhere near as cool as 2018. But the fire effects of the runics and the elemental triangle attacks look great
Man the 2018 blades were awesome. It's like you could feel the heat from the blade's fire. Every hit that landed felt satisfying. I feel like they kinda skimped on the graphics of the blades and sound fx of the blades this time around. Why change it? Dont fix something that ain't broken.
Honestly, I still feel Powerful af at Endgame in GOWR on the hardest difficulties. But man I miss that feeling of feeling comfortable fighting with my fist. That Zeus Armor Set mixed with a Fist Build was INSANE
I FUCKING KNOW RIGHT!! Man doing that evade forward and R1 thingy with bare hands creating a bubble kinda thing in the atmosphere was EPIC AS HELL! I miss that a lot in GOWR
It seems that the reason why the weapons sound less loud in Ragnarök is because of the snow and cold air making the sound effects more denser. Neat little detail
It hurt your eyes and kinda blind you a bit in chaotic fight tho, don’t know if they tone down effect for PS4 performance only or because they don’t want to hurt player’s eyes too much as well. BTW I agree that GOW has cooler effect for Blade of Chaos.
the sounds of blade of chaos was amazing in 2018. in ragnarok it is too quiet and doesn't look powerfull. very disappointing. even blade design was better then
If there's one detail in this new god of War games is how Kratos despise the blade of Chaos. he can't throw them away, they're fucking bound to his body, so the only thing he can is hide them or store them where he think home is, if he tries to do anything else, they will just appear. The chain marks will never disappear but I love how they show that he can at least remove them and store the blades. It's cool that they also show that the chains seems to appear from nowhere when he grabs them in the second game, meaning the blades spawn the chains. But the biggest most interesting detail, is how well maintained the Leviathan Axe is, while the blades are Rusty and dirty. In both games, the AXE looks pristine, and only gets better, while you need to work your ass off to maintain the blades to a point where they look THIS GOOD like it's shown in the video. That's good storytelling. The blades are a reminder of his past, his sins, and his mistakes.
I did feel disappointed that they took away the melee move tree. I was thinking we would get melee and shield runic attacks in this game but sadly we did not. You really see it when you play these games back to back and I just so happen to start playing 2018 GOW again because Ragnarok didnt come with NG+
1:05 I feel like this is the perfect attack to illustrate the difference between 2018 and Ragnarok. 2018 all the way. Sound effects and visual effects are superior in almost all cases.
Curse the guy who decided to create enemies like nightmare and then decided to give them an upgrade by calling them wisps. They are completely stupid enemies and i don't get it why are they everywhere
Honestly the argument goes two ways. In gow 2018 the blades in my opinion were the better weapon. Better crowd control in some aspects of the game, definitely did more damage than the axe and overall led to a better synergy of combat skills and runic attacks (Meteoric Slam > Breath of Thamur). So in Ragnarok it's kinda a bummer that a lot of what made the blades great in 2018 didn't carry over or were greatly nerfed. But I can see why they did it. The pause stance attacks for the blades were absolutely broken and most times I didn't bother with the axe once I had the blades fully upgraded. In Ragnarok the devs made sure that all the weapons synergized properly which led to more diverse and generally fast paced gameplay which I enjoyed greatly. Plus having the grapple moves with the blades expanded upon (grapple enemies to you, grapple towards enemies) really evened things out in the end
Well thats what bothered me the pause stance attacks were removed which I get why they removed it but I was hoping that the pause stance attacks would be for all weapons not just the axe
@@user-mu8dm4rk7g the blades in ragnarok are better its just the pause stance attacks were removed which I don't get why they removed it just like the bare handed skill tree also removed for more verity shields that in my opinion they could do both more shields options and keeping the bare handed skill tree this is what bothered me the most gow ragnarok combat is better in everything it's just these little things that were better in 2018
the "less effects" thing is because many people complained about how there's too much things going on when fighting enemies using both Atreus and Kratos. It's only now that we realize there isn't as much effects, but specially with attacks like the runic crows or wolves, the screen would flood with too many blinding effects and it would feel all over the place. Watching it may be cool but it can get a little tiring when playing. The sound design however, didn't need to decrease, and it did, so that I don't know why would they make it less epic
i’m not sure why they changed the sounds for they blades, the 2018 sounds were way better, but i do agree that the less cluttered visuals were a general improvement. this is really apparent with the nemean crush and cross slash finisher, in ragnarok you can actually see what’s behind them and the blades actually look like they’re on fire instead of just leaving behind orange trails
@@eddiechestnuts1588 well ragnarok also technically has skins for the weapons because you can select from different stages of upgrading for how you want them to look. You can keep the OG blades look even if you upgrade it to max in ragnarok. Something you cannot do in 2018.
I mainly miss how the leviathan Ax' R1 hold was changed so now it looks cooler, but is a lot slower and a lot less practical especially in building permafrost. I do really enjoy how they just put some of the runic attacks in your base kit, especially the one with the ax' slash waves cuz it looks pretty sick.
The Blades of Chaos' chains seems more like one of those employee id card reel than an actual chain when it comes to its apparent physics. It seems to constantly put a retracting force to keep the blades on Kratos' hands, and Kratos actually had to apply substantial force for the blade to actually swing and launch a good distance, that's why at the conclusion of many moves, the chains seem to so quickly retract into default despite Kratos making no visible effort to put them back in place; I imagine a chain-tethered blades with more grounded physics would be a mess to put back together even of you have the strength and dexterity to wield them to great efficiency
I prefer how the blades in 2018 look too, gold accents instead of excess amounts, a cool tail instead of lower jaw, more pronounced points on the blades and cool runes on the blade edge
As a owner of GOW 2018 I can't believe how the blade of chaos is still much stronger and has better immersive effects rather than the one on ragnarok. I think they nerfed the weapons in ragnarok and it feels dull. It lacks the immersive effects and the heaviness as well. I plan on buying ragnarok anyways. If GOW 6 ever happens I want the devs to include all the impressiveness just as gow 2018 into gow 6 and inlcude the realism in gow ragnarok for gow 6. GOW 2018 and ragnarok are both masterpieces in their own unique way. Wish me luck on playing gow ragnarok! Edit: So I bought GOW Ragnarok Deluxe Edition (to be specific) and I'm on give me god of war mode, I gotta say the game is so good not just any so good, it's really a masterpiece. Btw I play on a PS4. I was a bit wrong on the blades of chaos part sorry there hahaha. The blades of chaos in the new game is great it has different effects.
To be honest, I would have chosen to put Icarus storm or cyclone of chaos as a move using R1 and add in the stance switch in God of War Ragnarök and add in the regular animations for the stance switch. One thing I do not like is there are way less runic attacks than last game, they should've had more runic attacks.
and here we go, i havent even watched more than 5 seconds but i've raising an eyebrow at ragnaroks combat for the past 2 weeks on stream. so many things dropped, with no good replacement or no replacement entirely
i really hope this video blows up and maybe when santamonica release the newgame plus patch and the goodies they always add for gn+, i REALLY REALLY hope they at LEAST address the weight and some of the effects on these moves. cause seeing them side by side is undeniable that 2018 is taking my favor in this video
@@CorruptedYT so im showing stream this video right now, do you think when you compare the axe's you could do a side by side comparison after the initial one?
I think the biggest change for me was the camera. In 2018 it is farther back and you can see more around you during combat, in 2022 it is closer and makes you tunnel vision.
Spartan Charge is technically there, it’s basically just a shielded type exclusive move now. Not under runic attacks but rather under the shield type section
I mean, the button and runic changes allows for more diverse attacks without having to worry about cooldowns or trying to find the chests to get the runic attacks. Though it is more confusing in Ragnarök, it has it upsides making some of the old runic attacks into basic attacks and having the ability to use them without replacing them as runes. The thing I miss is the ability to put runes into armor and the ability for almost guaranteed randomness on what you receive. Instead, we have a limit of 9 and to activate most of them, you need 3 of the same kind. Not to mention, the bonuses from God of War 4's runes were helpful and you just buy new ones for new abilities and stats.
I feel like the blade immulation on the 2nd game is better because the blade effect gives it the old God of War look but I did notice the second game is missing a lot of effects and I wish they had punching combos like the first one🥺
I played over 500 hours of gow 2018 and I miss 2018's blades. They looked better and played better. Now they look flat, and feel flat. The axe if great imo but the blades 😭😭
In my opinion, I enjoy GOW 2018 more, simply for the combat and runes and everything like that, but I love ragnarok for its boss fights, and the draupnir spear
personally gow18 combat system regardless of whether it's ax blades or bare hands it's more compact and balanced, if compared to gowR it's not balanced and Kratos's timing response every time he attacks there will be a lagging problem
What really bothers me about Ragnarok is Blades of Chaos design I don't have a problem with the gold-plated side design on a weapon, but why did they remove the Nine runes of the that used to give a strong look to the weapon in gow 2018 and make Blade very norse But what bothers me the most, and I could talk about it all day, is why in the final upgrade of the blades in ragnarok, the weapon still has some echoes, scratches, and traces, and it looks like it's broken in some parts of the weapon. I mean, you are literally upgrading a weapon to a ninth level. This means that it has reached its maximum strength. Isn't it strange that it contains some special fractions and that it becomes more aesthetically pleasing than the 2018 version, in terms of less golden parts?
I pretty much prefer thw aesthetics of the weapons when it comes 2018, it has the cool effects, the oomph and heaviness, slow mo and the higher camera angle, but i like the graphics of gowr when it comes to the environment anr texturing, hopefully the next game will be like that
The Rampage of furies without slam is a big L. I just completely stopped in my tracks when i first saw it. His light attack and rush felt better in ragnarok, but his Heavy attack and slam now just felt so weightless, which made it feels like eating coffee powder instead of drinking it with water.
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one that noticed the lack of "Umph" the weapons have in ragnarok compared to 2018. Why would you nerf it devs? 2018 combat was amazing. This feels neutered.
What really got me was hand to hand combat where they removed the uppercut when you dodged then did a swift heavy uppercut and they removed the heavy shield slam.
I do like the new combat system but I wish we had the shank stance for the blades. Also some of the finishers were dumbed down but that's understandable.
The sound effects are way better in 2018 you can feel how heavy the axe is and how powerful the blades slamming against the ground is but in ragnorak it feels like you are just swinging around some twigs as for the particle effects I can understand why they dialed back on those they did take up half the screen when you tried taking a photo during an attack
I really do hoped that we get more Runic attacks for the Axe, Blades and Spear through the update on God of war ragnarok soon I don't care what anyone says!
All they had to do was update the already perfect gow 2018 combat system with new moves the second gow is great but that’s the only thing I would change because the combat felt like I was actually ripping into the flesh of kratos victims
I just watched your all combat comparison videos and its exactly how I remember it. All the GoW 2018 weapons(and fists) are heavy, hard, noisy and powerful. It feels so satisfaying. Also elemental effects more boosted. But in the Ragnarok, weapons are light, quieter and kinda weaker. I got dissopointed that how they downgraded the combat.
I feel another reason they changed all the effects is due to the fact that there is so much stuff happening on screen. For example when I’m fight the beset let gravestones there is so much stuff happening on screen and I feel if they would have keep the same effects it would have been even more difficult to see. Especially the blades
I thought about this while watching the video, too. On one hand I love how impressive and satisfying landing hits and combos are in GOW4 but I can totally see why they toned down the effects in GOWR because yeah sometimes you don't see important things like an incoming attack because of all the elemental bullshit going on lol. They should just let us zoom out the camera from Kratos, so we see more.
I think the reason for having less effects (visual/sound) is because the amount of things the game already have. Because having all the realms and much more items make the game massive. So, if they have the same visuals and sound. The game wouldn't be on ps4, GOW Ragnarok would have been the most demanding performing game on the console. The ps4 would overheat horribly.
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For me the most disappointing thing was them removing hand to hand combat from the game They literally removed shield skill tree from God of War 2018
well they didn't remove hand to hand combat but it sucks that they removed the barehanded skill tree but they do implement a lot more of the games combat than 2018
It's all unlocked now, but yeah it sucks because that skill three had bonuses for the moves and now is gone
True. I used that Moveset when Fighting Baldur for the First Time.
At least the devs added more combat skills and new weapon in the game. You should be grateful dude
I mean, in the previous game, there was only one shield so adding a tree for it was fine but now the game has too much shields. Idk bout' you but I won't add tree for each and every shield. But to compensate, they added the spear :D
2018 had a much better sound design imo. Everything sounds more destructive and punchy.
because its fimbulwinter, the cold makes it more less destructive and punch
@@faruqsukabulan5039 Where is your source bro, if you don't mind me asking?
@@StoFit its just how snow and cold works...
@@faruqsukabulan5039 This is a game about Gods, magical creatures and people that can turn themselves into animals. Are we really buying the idea that the weapons feel weaker because of freaking snow? The developers can then choose what makes sense and what doesn't and use that to cover up their laziness.
Finally someone talked about the SFX
I love how half the runic attacks in the Norse games are just regular attacks in the Greek games
because old gow didn’t have runics, only magic/bow attacks.
yeah nowadays game loves giving us long cooldown just for 1 attack
@@ArmoredG I can understand why they did this though, imagine if you could spam Tartarus rage, also in GOWR some Runic attacks were revamped into normal attacks which I see as a good change, (Ex: Hyperion grapple and River of knives)
@Jamari Spinner but some normal attacks were turned into runic attacks while some attacks were just straight up removed. Not to mention not having the executioner cleave anymore or relearning basic and runic attacks. That's just ridiculous.
@@dequariuswalker4739 Serpents snare > Executioner cleave imo
GOW(2018)'s Immolation looked like you were splashing liquid hot magma on everyone and everywhere and it was BEAUTIFUL.
Yes much no fluid and intense than the new one. The newer one has more flash points and movements are too quick. 2018 has it a bit better
The backwards dodge attack for the Blades was made into Blast of Hephaestus, and it's way cooler than a fireball. Helios Flare shoots a fireball
You are right
@@CorruptedYT I'm very glad they made this decision as I loved using Blast of Hephaestus, and now it doesn't have to take up a Runic slot!
@@FatalShotGG same goes for Hyperion Grapple
But now is very better in combat
it have been bigger
My only complaint about gowr is the lack of "heaviness" the weapons don't feel heavy. They are light and quick but in gow2018 it's heavy and swift. Also they could have intensify the boss fights, especially Thor and Odin. Baldur still the best boss fight in gow.
we they do intensify the boss fight like the intros bossfights are impactful af especially thor who sends you across the arena more than baldur as well the fight being more chaotic
@@godzillazfriction does not feel like Baldur's. We fought him three times, 1st time we literally separated the land we were standing on. Thor just sent him flying across Midgard and created frozen lighting (pretty underwhelming). If they intensify it where it would literally shake the nine realms, the lands would be separated , the seas and lake would be violently shaking and everyone will feel the tremors cause by Thor and Kratos ; that would have made it really cool imo.
Crazy thing about baldur is that he seemed stronger then what he was because he couldn’t feel his body hurting from the stress he was putting on it
@@flaccidcake1230 THIS IS WHAT I THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO DO!!!!!!!!!!!! very disappointed their fight was supposed to be the biggest in the series handsdown
@@flaccidcake1230 You are so wrong about thor's first fight being less intense than Baldur's first time. Tho i do agree that Thor should have got more screentime and his final fight should have a bit more spectacle
I can see why some of the tweaks were made in Ragnarok, some like it some don't but serves a purpose. 2018 has more impact and felt heavier while Rag was faster and slightly floaty. But I noticed in Rag there are less delays in between attack inputs thus making it easier to transition from different combos to the next, hence why the sequel feels much faster in my opinion.
I agree with that, "less delay between inputs".
Agreed
The literally made meteoric slam into pebble slam💀
I honestly miss a lot the 2018 moveset, even with the axe, I miss the holding R2 move instead of the horizontal hack it does, and with the blades I just feel they leaned into the lesser fun aspects of 2018's moveset. I really miss the holding R1 move that lets you attack a lot of nearby enemies
The R2 hold is a way better now, much more fun
i enjoyed blades more in gowr
@@gurizao268 i like the throwing the enemies into the air but idk, maybe I'm just used to the old one
I miss that too, you know whats weird? That you can see kratos using it in the first gowr trailer and in the end of it, you can also see him using the new one. Feels weird that they decided to remove it
I totally agree
The thing that disappointed me the most was how they nerfed the hell out of the meteoric strike animation of the blades of chaos. The animation for it in the last game was epic as hell.
Pretty sure he has screen shake off. My runic attacks look way better compared to this
@@emranhazom7113 Still nerfed tho
That is the thing with Ragnarok, in general, feels less compared to the previous one
@@LucasSouza-sd1dv you feel less compared to the previous one
Who cares? The blades sucked in the first game they made them so much better in general
I never liked the changes to the heaviness of both the Leviathan Axe and the Blades of Chaos. In the 2018 game they were heavy but quick, in Ragnarök they feel too "floaty". Especially noticable when you compare the stance switch sound effects from the 2018 game for the Leviathan Axe.
The more i watch it, the more evident it is, like damn.
I thought people missed the old swiftness from the old games
I think it’s because of the age of kratos. More old it get and more slow it will be
@@unluckyboy9209 his a greek god and age does not effect him, but he is restrining his true power by holding himself back and it physically affected him.
that is why his attacks are not like his full spartan raged young self in gow3 because he is maintaining his potential to not be the monster he was
They are moving too fast. They are trying to make it feel like the old games without knowing that it doesn’t fit the realistic approach it Ragnarok
The combat in GOW 2018 was tremendously satisfying. Each hit built up elemental damage making the Axe/Blades glow brighter and you could really feel the damage those bad boys were doing. The weapons grew stronger visually with each consecutive strike, the swings were heavy and destructive. In Ragnarok it feels like something is missing, Kratos is lost in a sea of enemies and his strikes are not as distinctive when compared to 2018. They also removed the melee skill tree, featuring the fists and the shield ,which included some awesome moves. As an OG Fan I must say the whole game let me down a little bit. It is still an amazing, gorgeous world that no doubt took much effort to craft, I guess I just expected a little more.
there's a LOT of things going for ragnaroks combat but at first viewing yes it definitely sucks that they removed the barehand skill tree as well as some of the stances but with how much it is fully in ragnarok, it definitely is an upgrade and not a downgrade
the main difference is that they toned down the particle effects, so it just feels less impactful because you're used to how it looked before
The way u describe 2018 can be said for ragnarok aswell
For me personally it's the other way around. When i'm in the training arena in nifelheim and i have many enemys around me and i try the blades i legit feel every hit perfectly (especially with the cyclone of chaos). Of course that was also present in 2018 but not that much for me
@@dignelberrt yeah, so that's what's different when I do the hit and stop and hit again combo using the axe. It doesn't feel as good as the particle effects are toned down which I'm definitely not happy about. It's so satisfying to do that during GOW 2018.
I think the big difference for me is how particle-heavy '18 was. Kinda miss it, made the blades feel straight from God of War 3
I'm guessing you went, "Damn dude, that fire is fire."
i kinda dont, when things start to get hairy, i cant see shit specially during muspelheim trials.
Elemental Slash in GoW 2018 was the most useless move of the entire game.
Sadly the removed the fist skill tree
I’m relieved to see that everyone notices some of the features that sadly didn’t carry over to ragnarok.
They changed three major things:
1. The camera
The camera pans away from kratos a remarkable amount. You no longer have to tilt the camera up to spot flying or large creatures because the are always in frame. Unfortunately that makes it less cinematic and immersive
2. The sound design
Weapons no longer feel like they hit as hard because you can barely hear them. In 2018 the loudest sound in combat were those of your weapons. Your hits felt powerful, but not so much in ragnarok
3. The particle effects
Ragnarok was step down in terms of effects. The effects of the axe and blades are now almost non-existent. Previously the weapons would project huge effect to convey the power of their hits. In ragnarok the effects doesn't even come close.
I disagree I think the axe affects are a lot better in Ragnarok. The blades design are not cool tho. The gold doesn't look fire and when the elemental is charged up it doesn't look anywhere near as cool as 2018. But the fire effects of the runics and the elemental triangle attacks look great
Man the 2018 blades were awesome. It's like you could feel the heat from the blade's fire. Every hit that landed felt satisfying. I feel like they kinda skimped on the graphics of the blades and sound fx of the blades this time around. Why change it? Dont fix something that ain't broken.
Ok they can easily make a patch.
@@rosewhip5332 "patching it later" is not an excuse
Honestly, I still feel Powerful af at Endgame in GOWR on the hardest difficulties. But man I miss that feeling of feeling comfortable fighting with my fist. That Zeus Armor Set mixed with a Fist Build was INSANE
I FUCKING KNOW RIGHT!! Man doing that evade forward and R1 thingy with bare hands creating a bubble kinda thing in the atmosphere was EPIC AS HELL! I miss that a lot in GOWR
I still don't feel that powerful. i feel like I'm fighting with a toy axe.
It seems that the reason why the weapons sound less loud in Ragnarök is because of the snow and cold air making the sound effects more denser. Neat little detail
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I miss 2018. But we can always go back and play both. Both combats are unique.
The hud and UI was much cleaner in 2018
The first game has more cool effect and the current game has the most cool animation
I love the old fire effects, so impactful
It hurt your eyes and kinda blind you a bit in chaotic fight tho, don’t know if they tone down effect for PS4 performance only or because they don’t want to hurt player’s eyes too much as well. BTW I agree that GOW has cooler effect for Blade of Chaos.
In 2018 the attack feel heavy and destructive, the camera moove and the sound design help so much, in Ragnarok its too calm, too steady
He put off the camera shake bruh
@@DonovanSCIts still feels light bruh i played it with shake on bruh. The sound design and the overall impact are just not it in Ragnarok Bruh.
Is it just me or is 2018's sound design way better?
Maybe. The 2018`s there is the PC version, correct? It looks way better, and I know for a fact that 2018 doesn't look that good on my PS4 XD
@@advmx3 Could be PC, PS5 version might be the case though.
the sounds of blade of chaos was amazing in 2018. in ragnarok it is too quiet and doesn't look powerfull. very disappointing. even blade design was better then
If there's one detail in this new god of War games is how Kratos despise the blade of Chaos.
he can't throw them away, they're fucking bound to his body, so the only thing he can is hide them or store them where he think home is, if he tries to do anything else, they will just appear.
The chain marks will never disappear but I love how they show that he can at least remove them and store the blades. It's cool that they also show that the chains seems to appear from nowhere when he grabs them in the second game, meaning the blades spawn the chains.
But the biggest most interesting detail, is how well maintained the Leviathan Axe is, while the blades are Rusty and dirty. In both games, the AXE looks pristine, and only gets better, while you need to work your ass off to maintain the blades to a point where they look THIS GOOD like it's shown in the video.
That's good storytelling. The blades are a reminder of his past, his sins, and his mistakes.
Holding R1 from 2018 was my go-to quick AOE Attack, now it's gone on Ragnarok
Yeah it was a very nice quick move
I did feel disappointed that they took away the melee move tree. I was thinking we would get melee and shield runic attacks in this game but sadly we did not. You really see it when you play these games back to back and I just so happen to start playing 2018 GOW again because Ragnarok didnt come with NG+
2018 GOW attacks and blades felt really heavy but shame they didn't do the same to Gow Ragnarok
1:05 I feel like this is the perfect attack to illustrate the difference between 2018 and Ragnarok. 2018 all the way. Sound effects and visual effects are superior in almost all cases.
It's true. In 2018, the attack feels devastating. Ragnarok feels like a little spark.
It actually dramatically affected the gaming experience for me.
Curse the guy who decided to create enemies like nightmare and then decided to give them an upgrade by calling them wisps.
They are completely stupid enemies and i don't get it why are they everywhere
Honestly the argument goes two ways. In gow 2018 the blades in my opinion were the better weapon. Better crowd control in some aspects of the game, definitely did more damage than the axe and overall led to a better synergy of combat skills and runic attacks (Meteoric Slam > Breath of Thamur).
So in Ragnarok it's kinda a bummer that a lot of what made the blades great in 2018 didn't carry over or were greatly nerfed. But I can see why they did it. The pause stance attacks for the blades were absolutely broken and most times I didn't bother with the axe once I had the blades fully upgraded.
In Ragnarok the devs made sure that all the weapons synergized properly which led to more diverse and generally fast paced gameplay which I enjoyed greatly. Plus having the grapple moves with the blades expanded upon (grapple enemies to you, grapple towards enemies) really evened things out in the end
Well said brotha
Well thats what bothered me the pause stance attacks were removed which I get why they removed it but I was hoping that the pause stance attacks would be for all weapons not just the axe
Blades were underused and no match to Axe in 2018 game and here you say they were somehow better then than now? Reevaluate your choices.
@@user-mu8dm4rk7g the blades in ragnarok are better its just the pause stance attacks were removed which I don't get why they removed it just like the bare handed skill tree also removed for more verity shields that in my opinion they could do both more shields options and keeping the bare handed skill tree this is what bothered me the most gow ragnarok combat is better in everything it's just these little things that were better in 2018
@@user-mu8dm4rk7gBro ur comment makes zero sense. Plus 2018 looks far better
the "less effects" thing is because many people complained about how there's too much things going on when fighting enemies using both Atreus and Kratos. It's only now that we realize there isn't as much effects, but specially with attacks like the runic crows or wolves, the screen would flood with too many blinding effects and it would feel all over the place. Watching it may be cool but it can get a little tiring when playing. The sound design however, didn't need to decrease, and it did, so that I don't know why would they make it less epic
i’m not sure why they changed the sounds for they blades, the 2018 sounds were way better, but i do agree that the less cluttered visuals were a general improvement. this is really apparent with the nemean crush and cross slash finisher, in ragnarok you can actually see what’s behind them and the blades actually look like they’re on fire instead of just leaving behind orange trails
we not gonna talk about how the weapons look also, why tf are they blue in ragnorok looks like toys on his back
@@eddiechestnuts1588 well ragnarok also technically has skins for the weapons because you can select from different stages of upgrading for how you want them to look.
You can keep the OG blades look even if you upgrade it to max in ragnarok. Something you cannot do in 2018.
I mainly miss how the leviathan Ax' R1 hold was changed so now it looks cooler, but is a lot slower and a lot less practical especially in building permafrost.
I do really enjoy how they just put some of the runic attacks in your base kit, especially the one with the ax' slash waves cuz it looks pretty sick.
The attacks In 2018 feel more heavy and powerful, wonder why in ragnarok don’t n feel the same way, but ragnarok the attack are a little bit faster
I guess Fimbulwinter really reduced the coolness factor of frost and immolation. Could be in-game logic rather than the animators using less effects.
The Blades of Chaos' chains seems more like one of those employee id card reel than an actual chain when it comes to its apparent physics. It seems to constantly put a retracting force to keep the blades on Kratos' hands, and Kratos actually had to apply substantial force for the blade to actually swing and launch a good distance, that's why at the conclusion of many moves, the chains seem to so quickly retract into default despite Kratos making no visible effort to put them back in place; I imagine a chain-tethered blades with more grounded physics would be a mess to put back together even of you have the strength and dexterity to wield them to great efficiency
I prefer how the blades in 2018 look too, gold accents instead of excess amounts, a cool tail instead of lower jaw, more pronounced points on the blades and cool runes on the blade edge
As a owner of GOW 2018 I can't believe how the blade of chaos is still much stronger and has better immersive effects rather than the one on ragnarok. I think they nerfed the weapons in ragnarok and it feels dull. It lacks the immersive effects and the heaviness as well. I plan on buying ragnarok anyways. If GOW 6 ever happens I want the devs to include all the impressiveness just as gow 2018 into gow 6 and inlcude the realism in gow ragnarok for gow 6. GOW 2018 and ragnarok are both masterpieces in their own unique way. Wish me luck on playing gow ragnarok!
Edit: So I bought GOW Ragnarok Deluxe Edition (to be specific) and I'm on give me god of war mode, I gotta say the game is so good not just any so good, it's really a masterpiece. Btw I play on a PS4. I was a bit wrong on the blades of chaos part sorry there hahaha. The blades of chaos in the new game is great it has different effects.
I miss hyperion slam so much 😥
To be honest, I would have chosen to put Icarus storm or cyclone of chaos as a move using R1 and add in the stance switch in God of War Ragnarök and add in the regular animations for the stance switch. One thing I do not like is there are way less runic attacks than last game, they should've had more runic attacks.
Fire and ice effects in general feels better in first game.
and here we go, i havent even watched more than 5 seconds but i've raising an eyebrow at ragnaroks combat for the past 2 weeks on stream.
so many things dropped, with no good replacement or no replacement entirely
i hate the new immolation and permafrost manual activation, its just another step to slow down combat.
i really hope this video blows up and maybe when santamonica release the newgame plus patch and the goodies they always add for gn+, i REALLY REALLY hope they at LEAST address the weight and some of the effects on these moves. cause seeing them side by side is undeniable that 2018 is taking my favor in this video
I hope so too!😂 and I’m waiting for photos mode so I can make decent thumbnails
@@CorruptedYT agreed, me and the virtual photography community on Instagram are foaming at the mouth for photomode
@@CorruptedYT so im showing stream this video right now, do you think when you compare the axe's you could do a side by side comparison after the initial one?
I think the biggest change for me was the camera. In 2018 it is farther back and you can see more around you during combat, in 2022 it is closer and makes you tunnel vision.
The camera is insane when you fight the berserkers. The ice wall makes it worse.
The Blades of Chaos just look and sound less powerful in Ragnarok than they did in 2018. I think that's the BIGGEST disappointment here
The blades of chaos hit sounds less impactful in Ragnarok
Spartan Charge is technically there, it’s basically just a shielded type exclusive move now. Not under runic attacks but rather under the shield type section
Makes me mad that gow4 is better then gow5 by graphics and overall gameplay.
I mean, the button and runic changes allows for more diverse attacks without having to worry about cooldowns or trying to find the chests to get the runic attacks. Though it is more confusing in Ragnarök, it has it upsides making some of the old runic attacks into basic attacks and having the ability to use them without replacing them as runes. The thing I miss is the ability to put runes into armor and the ability for almost guaranteed randomness on what you receive. Instead, we have a limit of 9 and to activate most of them, you need 3 of the same kind. Not to mention, the bonuses from God of War 4's runes were helpful and you just buy new ones for new abilities and stats.
Dang, those particle effects in the first game are wayyyyyyy better. That’s def a surprise and not a good one lmao
i think the look of the fire coming off the blades looks better in 2018 personally. there’s just more of it.
I feel like the blade immulation on the 2nd game is better because the blade effect gives it the old God of War look but I did notice the second game is missing a lot of effects and I wish they had punching combos like the first one🥺
The elements of the weapons in ragnarok feels a bit dull, there isn't much colour to the fire
👏👏 Thanks for showing us all Blades of Chaos Attack in God of War 2018 and God of War Ragnarok. That was very good moves.
I played over 500 hours of gow 2018 and I miss 2018's blades. They looked better and played better. Now they look flat, and feel flat. The axe if great imo but the blades 😭😭
To me the axe is a downgrade as well.
In my opinion, I enjoy GOW 2018 more, simply for the combat and runes and everything like that, but I love ragnarok for its boss fights, and the draupnir spear
Sound effects are better on 2018
His cyclone of chaos seems like the same move he does when you first upgrade chaos blades in god of war chains of Olympus
The animation effects much better in gow 2018 than gow ragnarok
I wonder why they toned down all the flame and frost effects?
personally gow18 combat system regardless of whether it's ax blades or bare hands it's more compact and balanced, if compared to gowR it's not balanced and Kratos's timing response every time he attacks there will be a lagging problem
What I got from this video is that the fire effects looked better in 2018 imo
What really bothers me about Ragnarok is Blades of Chaos design
I don't have a problem with the gold-plated side design on a weapon, but why did they remove the Nine runes of the that used to give a strong look to the weapon in gow 2018 and make Blade very norse
But what bothers me the most, and I could talk about it all day, is why in the final upgrade of the blades in ragnarok, the weapon still has some echoes, scratches, and traces, and it looks like it's broken in some parts of the weapon.
I mean, you are literally upgrading a weapon to a ninth level. This means that it has reached its maximum strength. Isn't it strange that it contains some special fractions and that it becomes more aesthetically pleasing than the 2018 version, in terms of less golden parts?
I miss the retreat slash
I pretty much prefer thw aesthetics of the weapons when it comes 2018, it has the cool effects, the oomph and heaviness, slow mo and the higher camera angle, but i like the graphics of gowr when it comes to the environment anr texturing, hopefully the next game will be like that
I noticed in gow Ragnarok before or during a runic attack, the whole screen lights up. Gow 2018 doesn’t do this and I think it looks so much cleaner
I kinda feel like the blades just felt and sounded much more powerful in 2018? It’s weird that they didn’t just keep the same sound design.
they sounded better in 2018 but the damage is better in the new one… in 2018 imo the blades sucked but the leviathan axe was better in 2018
@@eddiechestnuts1588Bro u just said the opposite blades were better in 2018. In Ragnarok they nerfed it.
I think the reason was Ragnarok was more fast paced, GOW2018 had more cinematic effects and slow mo
I agree
So we can say GoW Ragnarök makes a more arcade game combat feel like the OGs, while 2018 goes to a more immersive and impactful approach
yeah 2018 was better in terms of combat and sound and visual effects.
The toned down effects and sound effects are so damn disappointing
Why did they lower the effects:/
The blades of chaos felt a lot better in 2018
They need to fire whoever created the sounds of Ragnarok. In 2018 it was so crispy.
The Rampage of furies without slam is a big L. I just completely stopped in my tracks when i first saw it.
His light attack and rush felt better in ragnarok, but his Heavy attack and slam now just felt so weightless, which made it feels like eating coffee powder instead of drinking it with water.
It’s alittle bit of my fault for having screen shake off I’m sorry:/ I turned it back on in my leviathan axe video
4:56 if anyone wants the timestamp
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one that noticed the lack of "Umph" the weapons have in ragnarok compared to 2018.
Why would you nerf it devs?
2018 combat was amazing.
This feels neutered.
What really got me was hand to hand combat where they removed the uppercut when you dodged then did a swift heavy uppercut and they removed the heavy shield slam.
I hate that they didn't add the Hyperion Slam to Raknarok 😩😞
I do like the new combat system but I wish we had the shank stance for the blades. Also some of the finishers were dumbed down but that's understandable.
Chaotic flurry was so strong they had to make it a runic attack
5:13 tho. Ragnarok has no feeling of weight or impact in that move
The sound effects are way better in 2018 you can feel how heavy the axe is and how powerful the blades slamming against the ground is but in ragnorak it feels like you are just swinging around some twigs as for the particle effects I can understand why they dialed back on those they did take up half the screen when you tried taking a photo during an attack
I really do hoped that we get more Runic attacks for the Axe, Blades and Spear through the update on God of war ragnarok soon I don't care what anyone says!
Ya hopefully ng+ adds all this
@@stephencarroll9935 I hoped so too pal
@@stephencarroll9935 Stop being a communist
@@brightblackgrouse6236 not even one just like the doge pic 😂😂😂
@@stephencarroll9935 Oh cool, god bless.
The 2018 GoW moves felt more powerful for sure
the good thing about furious immolation at GOWR is that it stuns and inflicts burn damage to nearby enemies
Chaotic rampage is absolutely ruined
All they had to do was update the already perfect gow 2018 combat system with new moves the second gow is great but that’s the only thing I would change because the combat felt like I was actually ripping into the flesh of kratos victims
The blades in 2018 are so much better
imo of ragnarok had a bit more impact behind every move (and more particles) while still keeping them fluid, combat would feel more satisfying
I just watched your all combat comparison videos and its exactly how I remember it. All the GoW 2018 weapons(and fists) are heavy, hard, noisy and powerful. It feels so satisfaying. Also elemental effects more boosted. But in the Ragnarok, weapons are light, quieter and kinda weaker. I got dissopointed that how they downgraded the combat.
I feel another reason they changed all the effects is due to the fact that there is so much stuff happening on screen. For example when I’m fight the beset let gravestones there is so much stuff happening on screen and I feel if they would have keep the same effects it would have been even more difficult to see. Especially the blades
I thought about this while watching the video, too. On one hand I love how impressive and satisfying landing hits and combos are in GOW4 but I can totally see why they toned down the effects in GOWR because yeah sometimes you don't see important things like an incoming attack because of all the elemental bullshit going on lol. They should just let us zoom out the camera from Kratos, so we see more.
If Ragnarok had the weight/impact and sound design of 2018 it would be perfect ,
Combos are smoother in gow 2018, but they did improve many aspects of the combat in Ragnarok. There’s a trade-off with both games unfortunately.
Everything in 2018 feels a lot heavier
4:58 Rampage of the furies got me jaw drop :OOOO OMG
In Gow 2018 the elemental slash where kratos spins his blade of chaos sounds so satisfying than GowR
I miss the Icarus Storm
Would love to know why they made the flame effects worse though.
GoW 2018 looks more beautiful in combat, the blades flames, axe's snow particles just look more good in action than in Ragnarok.
Exactly!
I miss that blades of chaos were like whips
I think the reason for having less effects (visual/sound) is because the amount of things the game already have.
Because having all the realms and much more items make the game massive.
So, if they have the same visuals and sound. The game wouldn't be on ps4, GOW Ragnarok would have been the most demanding performing game on the console. The ps4 would overheat horribly.
Excuses dude