How Much Power Do You Need For A Burnout Competition?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ส.ค. 2024
- SUPER Excited to see Jessies Firebird do some Burnouts soon!
Thanks to @710performance for doing a killer job on Kyle's wheels for his Truck! Check out his channel he does some very good work
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Man Steve’s son is almost a spitting image of him. And you can see how much of the knowledge has transferred and it’s so badass knowing your legacy of engine building is going to live on.
Back when I used to build street motors, it was fairly common for us to get high rpm dips in power and torque like that.
The reason for the dip was we were using intake manifolds or exhaust headers that were tuned for peak power in the ~4500 to 5000 rpm range, but we were revving the motor into the 6800+ rpm range.
These manifold had a tuned flow resonance in the 4500 range, that helped to push or pull the air in/from the cylinders. At ~6800 they would enter a higher order resonance that impeded the flow, reducing the power and torque.
I thought that one too the other thought I had was any way the lifters collapse a small amount until the oil pressure goes higher cause loss of lift in the valve trane always wonder about that with hydraulic lifters when running heavy valve springs.
Please!!! "Hot tip", buy some muriatic acid, (Home Depot, etc.) Soak cadmium or zinc plated nuts, bolts, etc, "out side", in glass or a paper coffee cup. Pour acid back into container for reuse. In 30 seconds plating is gone. Rinse with h20, & dry. Now striped and ready to weld. Plus those vapors are DEADLY !!! Yah I know everyone is an expert, but I have been there and done that. Good luck, racer to racer, and thx for your content. Ty
They’ll find out how dangerous those vapors are years later
What gases in particular are you warning of?? Was HVAC business 40 yrs. Phosgene gas was one we had to watch. Could normally get just a little at a time. Body wouldn’t let you stay there. But it is cumulative. Your body can only take so much. Over yrs one small breath might be one that puts you in hospital or morgue.
Yeah, welding zinc results in a release of Cyanide which is generally considered detremental to health.
@@russellridge8623Remember your melting metal and whatever the plating is on that metal. All kinds of nasty stuff your breathing in. That’s why I started using a fresh air respirator years ago.
THIS!! Galvanizing fumes inhaled will be in your body for the rest of your life. There is no way for the body to metabolize and remove that stuff. Its nasty stuff, bad for the nervous system.
Most of the Australian burnout cars only use one intake hole on the top hat the other two are dumbie holes I believe killer bee is that way too. Hope this helps
Upvote this for Steve to see ..There's a video on Cletus's channel that shows them blocking them off.
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I doubt he needs this to figure out his stuff.
and we do better with 1/20 th spent !
I am by no means an expert at this stuff but from what I do know those hats a lot of those Aussie guys are running are basically a top fuel nitro style hat that they dumb down. They are strictly running them for all show. Poser if you will. That is NOT what is on this engine.
Also, this engine is EFI. The Aussie engines you are referencing are mechanical fuel injection.
A Dewey being a menace compilation video would be a winner
that's the 500k subscriber bonus episode. 1 hour of Dewey doing Dewey Dog stuff. :D
Steve walking in like "what the hell is all this noise, damn kids"
Another great video! It was great working with you guys again! Thank you for your support 💪
those wheels look sick!
@@JohnnyAnderson1 thank you 🙏
Kyle is definitely from his Dad's loins (Smokey and the Bandit reference)...his looks, mannerisms...and the evolution of his thought processes are ongoing...we are in good hands.
If you are trying to limit the throttle, you can block off two of the blades (aussie guys do it internally) and get your travel back.
Steve looking through the window “wth are they doing now?!” 😂
Laurel and Hardy do the dyno.
more like "How much is this going to cost me??"
We can never get enough of Dewey, Steve. He's such a character and brings a smile to the end of even the toughest of days. The tech content along with the wagon at the track doing 6 second passes are off the charts great but Dewey just brings a special level of warmth to the videos. Cheers!
Steve was looking in there like please fuk not again
This is why I love watching your videos. The very interest never would’ve thought it would make any anywhere near that much power with that little throttle.
Steve, that intro literally made me laugh out loud! Felt cartoonish how that pulley came off!
Dewey always grabbing some camera time lol, gotta love that dog he just always brings a smile and a laugh. Thanks for the good content Kyle and Steve.
Weld a washer to bolt, then weld nut to washer….. works everytime
Steve's face at 4:50 though, I'm crying 😂😂
Dewey rocks! Good lil dude right there
Yep...his golden years are now.
@4:48 Steve looking in there like hmm that's not supposed to happen LMAO
“What’d those kids do this time?”
Maybe glad that didn’t happen to me lol
Love the video. I would like to see more of your new dyno install, maybe more in-depth account of the YourDyno experience. your transparency with your dyno testing and engine manufacturing is what compels me to watch each of your videos. Thanks for being real!.
In one of your future videos, we would like to see how you seal engines up with different adhesives. Things like using it on both sides of the gasket sometimes on one side of the gasket and sometimes no adhesive. Just talk us through how you do it and why you do it the way you do.
Thanks, Rob
That poor belt looks like it’s holding on for its life. Lol
I was waiting for it to sling off but it held on like the little belt that could 😂
@@jennajones2155 crazy
Steve, Kyle, and Dewey, y'all rock! Need more of Dewey plz. Peace
Love all of your content. Thanks for all the work getting it to us.
I love those old style blower hats.
The low rpm testing was cool and I was amazed at how little the throttle blades were open. That's crazy! -Old dad
I really don't know what is better: the still spinning pulley or the look on Steve's face.... 😂😂😂
Steve , I formally ask for a full clip of that pulley/balancer dancing around on the floor 😂
And a T-shirt!!!
With music. would be a great short
Wow, he looks just like his dad. Sounds like him, too.
Dad life, there is NOTHING better..
I sure wish the car in the thumbnail was IN THE VIDEO
9:14 - This guy is freaking hilarious lol “That’s a lie” aka we like to party 😂
😂😂😂 Dewey cam. 🎉🎉🎉 Still waiting for the behind the scenes. Dewey style😊😊
Pretty cool to see that pulley bouncing around that fast👻✅🙌🤑
Fantastic video. Videos where, you suffer or you struggle, or things don't go perfect and you have to walk through each. One of the struggles. Struggles. Are the videos where you learn the most as a viewer. And also I enjoy because, we get to see eliminating the dyno eliminating the engine, eliminating the fueling, eliminating the timing and then coming right back to how much boost are you making
I can't tell you how impressed I am with your son's attention to detail and how much effort he put's into every nut & bolt .. How he takes his time to carefully go over everything so the end result is flawless .. . OMG I WOULDN"T LET YOUR BOY TOUCH MY LWN MOWER . an entitled spoiled careless punk .. Needs to spend a few years changing oil at Jiffy Lube
I would have looked into the HAT being used on the engien as the culprit...air does funny things and it is VERY possible that the old school hat has a resonance at that RPM thats creating a chokepoint for the air and causing a dip.... stranger thing have happened.
LMAO! The way that belt pops off is like something out of a cartoon.
We have to do a little bit of this type of work on the wheel Dyno on our drift cars since we too don’t always live at full throttle. Cool to see. Great video.
Kyle just figured out that you can't tig weld through plating.
Also strange dip on top can be belt distortion..
Hello Steve ! Hello Morris Family .
Thank you guys for sharing. Awsome content.
Thanks for the videos guys.
Glad you asked, Kyle! How much radiator and cooling system support does a burn out competition put on this sort of combo? Would an intercooled system do better for engine longevity as well as power?
The dip on the graft is caused by harmonic vibration of the valve spring tention. Increasing spring tention would change the harmonics and fix the problem.
nah
I love the father-son content. I know my dad and I would be doing the same thing right now if he was here, our shop probably wouldnt be that nice.
As for video ideas, it would be really cool if you guys could find a highschool kid who lost a dad, teach them how to rebuild an engine, maybe even installation
Love dewy. He is almost a twin of my past dog hemi. Loved him
You guys are awesome!!! Keep making dyno video's. Love learning!!
Please put Greta back on the new window, I loved that.
Notice the boss shows up right when the pulley fell off. It never fails. lol.
I used to race in junior dragsters and we put a throttle stop on my sister's car. 3/4 throttle actually made it go faster than full throttle. We went to a smaller carb which made it more consistent. Maybe that's what is happening here with the supercharger. The air and fuel is mixing better. Would have been interesting to see if it would have made more power at 80 percent or so compared to 100 percent wide open throttle
Dewey needs a cameo in every video.
That belt is flapping around HARD!
That belt looked like a bad belly dancer
It always amazes me how much those belts flap on the tensioner side. Looks like they are loose but aren't
I imagine the forces on the supercharger and crank pulleys would be the same as if a person smashed on the belt with a stick 1000 times a minute.
Not surprised the pulley broke off.
The belt resonance is likely what broke the pulley bolts. If that issue is not corrected its going to cause other problems, like tearing up the main bearings and snapping the crank snout.
@@mikepecchio-gk1bc the pulley bolts sheared off from the throttle slamming shut while under load on the previous run. Think of the force put on those bolts when the RPM's dropped instantly.
I had the same dip in power on the chassis dyno on my LS 6.0. It was so nice 94 pump gas at 26 degrees of timing. I pulled 2 degrees out and it smoothed the curve out!
500hp + 1 atmosphere = 1000hp... except he forgot the parasitic loss from the blower.
This is why some big blower cars with those type of throttle valves / hats will actually block off a couple internally. You still get the iconic look of a big blower hat abut with a smaller throttle surface area gives you more control with the pedal. Easier to modulate the throttle.
It looks like it will be a fun time at the burnout good luck!!
Great video. A mate here in Aus for his burnout car in his carbon hat 2 of the 3 runners are actually blocked off so the center runner is the only one feeding air to the blower, By the looks of the setup it should kill some tyres. Maintain good wheel speed and don't hit the wall and you will for sure put on a great show
Steve coming up looking through the window was priceless...... like I heard that what now😂
All of it. 😂 I've never heard anyone say they needed less.
Awesome guy!!! I am currently working on my first swap. Ls3/6L90E in a 03'Crown Vic Police Interceptor. It's a project with my family. Not my first engine tho. Just a n/a deal. Burnouts and ice cream per say lol. With an occasional track visit. Till I get the suspension done where I can time attack her some.
Defiantly want to see an upcoming video of Killer Bee being tuned like you did this motor at 15 - 25 % throttle like Steve said in the end.
I love everything you guys do and I’m a mopar guy but I would love to see you guys build a high horsepower ford flathead V8. Maybe even go all out with an all billet remake of that engine with a set of twins. I doubt that will happen but it would be cool to see.
Those rims turned out SICK af!!!
The Temu racing channel 😂
As long as the heads missing from the bolt and it’s not bottomed out drill a decent center in it, left hand drill bit push into it pretty good at low RPM they will walk right out.
From what I have seen of professional burnout cars, they run methanol to control temperatures and seem to run about 3500rpm so it’s not over straining the engine it’s all about wheel speed, so change you final drive to suite your needs
Great content as always and yes, more Dewey please!
Man, I would have really liked to see that car doing burnouts, & a close detailed look. Awsome ride!
the burnout cars here in Australia all seem to have 1200-1400 HP combo's them , mostly blown V8"son methanol for the cooling and all detuned a little bit for longevity
The part throttle testing was cool.. Shows burnout cars prolly don’t need a blower but instead just have nitrous to light up the tires.. A lot cheaper to cobble one together like that.
Another Dyno Play Day ! Thanks for sharing !
My guess on the dip seems to match the blower belt slacking! Makes me think its like rubberbanding engine rpm going up and blower speed slows = dip in boost = dip in HP!
That engine should last at that level. Cool to see different types of applications 😮
I say there's severe ring flutter when it's hitting the "dip" on dyno, which is likely why the magic blow by smoke starts appearing right about there.
something or a combo of things isn't in happy mode.
Looking at the video versus the graph, the belt slap seem to be why boost is getting lower on that spot. Belt seems to find an harmonic at that rpm. An idler on the long side would definitively help tame those harmonics down.
Those that lived 300 yrs ago , would be mindboggled how much power and effort it takes to make some smoke 300 yrs later!
Theyd say we used to rub 2 dry sticks together and create some friction and heat.😅
Pushrod harmonic flex!
Harmonics on the belt is insane!! Those bolts had no chance
Belt stability caused that hub failure. You can see that belt flopping all over the place on the drive side just before it left the chat. It's there any way to stabilize it or is it a tension only on the coast side deal?
When’s the last time you heard of someone going back and torquing the snout each pass … 🤔. 🤷🏻🤭 blower life is unique
On that dyno, can you hold the engine at specific rpm so that you can work out fuel tables for different throttle positions? Sounds like you do have the ability to load and unload the engine so you can give different loads at different throttle positions.
Enjoyed the video. Nice watching the problem solving.
Pully said, "Ight imma head out" lol
To answer the title question: I compete at Cleetus' burnout events in the 01 Yukon named Hot Garbage. It makes 320hp at the wheels, blew both tires at 1:10, and the coolant temp only hit 186 by the end.
Dang!!! Bad luck means more good lucks coming soon!!!! Love the channel!
Thanks guys great knowledge on burn out cars.
Either has to be outrageous as humanly possible or power that will just smoke out the competition.
Love to see you guys mess with a coyote, a barra, an atlas, a m156, and a m120. I know you have a business to run, but I’m sure someone with disposable income is out there with some of these engines that want you to build one.
Might be valve springs. Hitting that sweet spot frequency at that rpm then going past it. It’s not always sear pressure
But why would the boost go down... if anything it would go up (in the manifold where it's measured) since it can't get the air INTO the engine.
loose bolts are always easy to shear off, because the surfaces they're clamping are loose all the force gets put on them and it's game over. same for over-tightened bolts that are stretched and weakened. good night they go.
Awesome as Always Just before bed time Wont be able to sleep now...too excited :) Thx Guys
FYI; the assuie guys block off two of the three air hat intake ports to control rpm with more throttle blade.
Very Nice Video! Love how yall worked through the issues and came up with solutions. That baby should rip and last!
Interesting data for sure. We all learned something together. Great stuff
Something about a mig welder over tig when extracting bolts. Migs my go to when doing manifold jobs.
Try welding a washer to the stud first the weld a smaller nut to the washer. Sometimes that helps.
i love how casually the pulley jumped off the engine, just thought it was enough :D hahahahaha
Had that spinning effect shooting a bullet on ice. It sits and spins.
14:40 Colorado firefighter plates I like this guy!!
Those are FLT( fleet ) plates, rental car most likely
This content makes me want to set notifications, been subbed since cleet said to, but this was very cool
_" A 408 LS should make 500 on the dyno. If we put in an extra atmosphere on that it should make a 1000. In theory."_
Yes, but you forgot to account for parasitic loss from the crank-driven blower. You can't double the air, double the fuel and double the power with a blower because driving the blower will eat some of the power at the crank. So a (very nice!) result of 1054 hp and 1070 hp is the result of a little more than just doubling the amount of air you put in.
Doubling air, fuel and power at the crank _IS_ achievable with a proper (exhaust gas driven) turbo set-up though.