1970 Chicago Bar. Veterans Talking Vietnam. The SILENT MAJORITY
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- This scene, partially filmed in a bar in Detroit in 1970, was looking at how “ordinary Americans” felt about the Vietnam War and other economic issues. It was a working class bar. The film looked at what was called the “silent majority”. I was one of the cameramen and not the maker of this movie.
The term "silent majority" gained prominence during the presidency of Richard Nixon. It was used to describe a group of Americans who were seen as less vocal and visible in the public discourse, but who were believed to represent a significant portion of the population.
The phrase "silent majority" is often attributed to President Richard Nixon, although he didn't actually coin the term. It was used in political discourse before Nixon's presidency. However, he popularized and employed it effectively during his time in office.
The "silent majority" were described as being more conservative in their values, political beliefs, and attitudes, particularly in contrast to the more vocal and visible anti-war activists and civil rights protesters of the era. While the term itself did not define specific beliefs or characteristics, it generally referred to people who:
Supported the Vietnam War or, at the very least, were against the anti-war protests and demonstrations.
Embraced traditional American values, including patriotism, law and order, and “family values”.
Were concerned about the perceived breakdown of societal norms and order during the 1960s, which included protests, social unrest, and changing cultural norms.
Were often associated with more conservative and Republican-leaning ideologies.
President Richard Nixon strategically employed the term "silent majority" to rally support for his policies, particularly regarding the Vietnam War. He believed that there was a significant portion of the American population who were not actively participating in anti-war protests and who supported his approach to ending the war.
Nixon's usage of the phrase was particularly notable in his November 3, 1969 speech, known as the "Silent Majority Speech." In this address, he argued that the silent majority's views were not adequately represented in the media or by anti-war activists. He called for support for his policy of "Vietnamization," which aimed to gradually transfer responsibility for the war to South Vietnam while withdrawing U.S. troops. By framing his policies as aligned with the silent majority's beliefs and values, he sought to build public support for his administration's actions.
Nixon used the concept of the silent majority to create a sense of solidarity among Americans who shared his more conservative values and his approach to the Vietnam War. He positioned himself as a defender of these values against what he characterized as the radical and vocal elements of society.
Watching this clip you can see that the "silent majority" in that bar felt differently than Pres. Nixon said they did.
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“The more things change the more they stay the same”
I was thinking the same
"meet the new boss, same as the old boss"
I thought my generation "won't get fooled again" ??
Wow...could've been recorded last week.
This video is as true and as relevant today as it was 1n 1970 the main reasons for war especially today is about filling those military industrial CONTRACTS. Same thing today as it was then 💸 💰💰 the wealthy get wealthier sad but true
Gosh, people use to be able to drink and talk about important issues. What the hell happened man.
The 80's happened. After Reagan and Thatcher, every point that even marginally addressed system issues was shut down as "communist" or "socialist"
And here we are in the midst of a global coup that makes socialists and communists look like amateurs…
Demographic change, mental illness, the Internet etc.
@@jacobandrews2663
And after that, the Internet and Social Media.
@@jacobandrews2663 the "red scare" was way before the 80's
I'm 74 years. I was drafted, enlisted, deployed and came home in one piece. I soon realized that I had nothing in common with "Home" any more. I went back in the Army and served 30 years. I lost friends, classmates, and family. That war was useless. Iraq was useless. Afghanistan was useless. My wife and I live on a farm in southern Ohio and live in peace, security, and wish the same for everyone. "WAR, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing!"
Thank you for your service Sir.
Welcome Home, sir.
Welcome home
I drove through southern Ohio on my way home from Nashville 5 years ago.Seems like a good place to be.
Cheers Man
Say it again……
What really stands out is the ability of people to listen to and rationally answer questions, that seems to have evaporated today!
Truth. If this was in 2024, you’d just a get a lot of blank stares and “uuuuuuuhhh”s.
Because back then people had more actual conversations and read books instead of watching clips on their phones and communicating via text.
You can thank Fox News and Rush Limbaugh for that.
@meiphukingdiqq Almost took your comment seriously but with a name like that I'm not surprised
@@meiphukingdiqqYep, spreading hate and fake, false, opinion “news”. So many brainwashed people, today.
it’s insane how 40 years ago we were saying the exact same things. thank you david for letting us view these amazing pieces of film
Dude, this is 54 years ago!
@@goldenshark3182 i’ll admit, i was a bit stoned when writing this. missed a decade😅
thats because the military industrial complex seized control of America after President Eisenhauer in the 1950s.
@@hunterbrown6841🤣
My dad was a Korean War veteran, Nov.'51-March '53. He told my brother and I - Stay out of
the military and go to college. We both did. Best advice we ever got. Thanks Dad.
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@@eemoogee160 Everybody knows that, same how China and Russia are trying to establish one.
@@ls200076 What's your point?
@@eemoogee160that you're dumber than you think
@eemoogee160 what's yours?
People back then were so articulate compared to many modern folks.
No cap fam 😂
I think you need to talk to more people around you
They wouldn’t interview low iq people back then and people were more individualistic personality wise now people are just templates of a human
That's the result of 40 years of the republican assult/defunding of education.
People are still articulate. You need to get out more, bud
I’m 48 years old and my father was in Vietnam 69-70 and this war fucked him up mentally for years and years until he passed in 2018. He was declared 100% mentally disabled. RIP Pops!
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Rich SO SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS JAYBIRD
RIP pops
Thank you guys! My pops had a drinking problem and every time he started getting tipsy all conversations went to Vietnam, crying about losing his buddies, to getting angry towards the enemy on how he killed them, really sad! You couldn’t wake him up without him drawing back to hit you and this was all the time and any loud bang he wasn’t expecting made him start to get down. Like I said he served in Vietnam 69-70 5th Infantry Division (The Red Devils)
@@Jaybird209 :
He was rightfully traumatized by his very real Vietnam combat experience. Any normal human being would be, and most were.
He tried to cover the depth of his pain with alcohol, because as with most veterans, he didn’t know any other way. He didn’t know that sharing his pain would reduce it. He only knew how to hold it in (which makes it worse). None of that was his fault. I share this with you to maybe see him differently. To see him as a human being that was in horrible psychological and emotional pain, trying to live up to what he thought makes a “man.” You can learn from this for yourself, and to understand him better. We are all only human beings, no more and no less. The lesson is, be your real, genuine self. Allow yourself to feel and express your genuine feelings- ALL of them. This will make room for happiness within you, and give you happiness to share with others. I honor you and your father, thank you both.
-An Army Veteran, 20 year Mental Health Counselor and 20 year Teacher ❤️🇺🇸
-Read “Some Even Volunteered” by Alfred S. Bradford- A short read, but it will give you a feel for what your dad experienced in Vietnam.
54 years and it never changes
Took the words right out of my mouth!
My grandad died at 67 due to agent Orange complications. I miss him every day.
I see
My step-dad died the same way at age 63. Didn't even live long to collect Social Security. The VA wouldn't treat him while he was alive, but they were kind enough to bury him! RIP ACE !
My condolences to you and all those who love him! Sorry he endured that.
I had an uncle who was exposed to agent orange and developed MS because of that crap and when he died, that's when the VA admitted that his MS was due to his exposure.
Similar, agent orange effects were so bad even the children experienced the problems.
I absolutely love watching the videos you share with us! It’s so weird how back in 1970, compared to 2024 and we still have the same problems! The same corrupt politicians! Just a new generation of uninformed people! If they don’t teach us history, we’re doomed to repeat it! That’s just facts!!
Thank you David ♥️ I have a lot of respect for you!
I’m the wife of a USMC veteran who was sent to a foreign country & they brought him back to me a changed man. People tend to forget about the wives who’ve served this country, too! The wives who had to go months and months without our husbands & had to pick up the pieces all while raising our children! Children who didn’t even know their father when he came home, but he has loved, provided and protected his family! I’m one of the lucky ones. I stayed, because I love him and I believed in him & I took my vows seriously!
Thank you again, David ♥️
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@SassyAF.... I thank your husband for his service and sacrifice to our country and I thank you for reminding us of what the wives go through when their husbands are away protecting of Freedom. 🙏
@@drewpall2598 Thank you for that ♥️
@@SassyAF. You're welcome, Sassy!l
This ain't no Dear John letter at all!!❤ Thanks for sharing your story.
As a son of a Vietnam vet, I think it impacts me to this day. The anxiety/nervousness my dad has had was passed down to the family. You didn’t go up and wake him while asleep, he has been forever on the edge. He acted out in dreams and while he was a good dad, he has told me things that he saw his buddies die from and it’s not something one can forget. And these guys were treated horribly by this country. He just flat out told me that i wasn’t going into the military. He and my grandfather were Marines. His disdain for LBJ remains until this day.
Incredible that people stated their opinion, offered cogent reasons yet were still open to not having the right answer and willing to listen to others
@jamesgraham446, Incredible compared to today's culture. Take care.
That was a better class of people back then. No social media distractions telling them what to think or feel. Today, USA society is shite.
A far cry from the mentality of today.
You gotta talk to people in real life more man. Spend less time arguing on the internet.
@@RickR69 Therein lies (LIES) the problem.
The handsome guy with the long auburn hair in the bar with the thin mustache was DIRECTLY lifted from historical footage and put in the game “Hotel Dusk Room 215.” In that game, his name is Louis DeNonno. If you look this up, you’ll be amazed. The connection between history and present (though the game is a decade old) is really amazing. Just goes to show you how relevant and close history really is.
Damn, that's really odd but could be true.
Excellent film, I remember conversations like this happening everywhere you went in the States back in the 70s. By that time, enough men had returned from Vietnam with the truth about what was happening over there to start opening the eyes and the minds of those who fought WWII. When the public became aware of just how different this war was, and of how the news and government were spinning the facts, most wanted no part of it. There were so many lies and evasions that people of all ages were angry, and felt betrayed by their government. It was a true turning point. Thank you David, people need to know and remember that it wasn’t just the young who were against that war.🖤🇨🇦
@tamarrajames3590... Hello Tamarra, I agree this film by Chuck Olin is a excellent window into the past on what people thought of our involvement in Vietnam back then, I am sure you know the Vietnam conflict divided this country of ours over what is patriotism, what I find sad is the returning Vietnam Vets took the blunt of the anger felt by many of the folks back here in America over the handling of our Vietnam policy by our government at the time. Take care Tamerra, 😊✌🧡
@@drewpall2598 Hello Drew, yes, I am aware of how badly the Vietnam Vets were treated back at home. Most of the people I considered friends didn’t blame the men, we were in no doubt of who was at fault. The government even tried to deny the Veterans their benefits because Vietnam “wasn’t a declared war”. The conditions where the wounded and disabled were treated were dreadful with overcrowding and insufficient staff. There will always be some who wish to blame the soldiers instead of those who ordered them into a battle they didn’t understand or want.
So many were drafted at an age when they couldn’t legally buy a beer, or sign a contract without a guarantor. This was the first war to be televised into people’s homes in brutally graphic images, images that often portrayed them as aggressors, burning villages with women and children. Many of those viewers had not the first idea of life in Vietnam, or what guerrilla warfare was like. A lot of the soldiers left their homes as boys on the brink of becoming men, and (if they returned) came home badly damaged. They had watched friends die beside them, and had learned to hate and kill, but not how to live with it. They were given little to no help adjusting to society and picking up their lives where they left off.
Many came home emotionally spent, and addicted to drugs that were readily available in Vietnam, but there was no therapy to help them recover from PTSD. No one was more harmed by that war than the men who were forced to put on a uniform, undergo basic training, given a rifle, and sent to a foreign country where they were expected to kill without conscience. They were taught to view the enemy as less than human, to refer to them by words like gook, that took their humanity away, and to expect their own deaths at any moment by the hands of anyone who was different from them, including women and children.
I spoke with many men who came back so deeply scarred they didn’t know how to begin again. They told us what it was REALLY like to be there, and what lies were reported by the news back home. Many of them didn’t come home proud to have served their country, knowing they had fought a just war and brought freedom to an oppressed people. They knew that their own lives didn’t matter to the politicians, and it hurt them to know they had been used to further the aims of greed, instead of why they were told they had to fight. For many of them, that war never ended.
Those conversations with Vietnam Vets are still vivid in my memories, as are the men themselves. Perhaps it was different for men who had chosen a military life and enlisted. Maybe they had time to adjust to a life on the edge, but the young men who were drafted, and found themselves in Vietnam weeks later were not prepared for what they encountered there. Many of them had never left home before they were drafted, and the only thing that set them apart from those who were safe from the draft, was not being a university student. It was a dreadful time in many ways.🖤🇨🇦
@@tamarrajames3590 Thank you Tamarra for your reply I enjoyed reading it.😊✌🧡
@@drewpall2598 I’m glad you enjoyed it. That period in my life was a major influence on me, as I’m sure you have gathered. At the time I was actively involved with the counter culture, frequently moving up and down the West Coast between Vancouver Island, Vancouver BC, Berkeley, and SanFrancisco, and Hollywood California. We assisted Draft Dodgers into BC, and set them up with new identities. In the States we had community programs for returned Vets, and for young Hippies. We were involved in producing our own newspapers, The Georgia Straight in Vancouver, and the Berkeley Barb in Berkeley. We were involved in various protests, got food donated from local grocers, and arranged free lunches. We had a list of places people could get medical care, find places to crash, find groups to volunteer with, and a free store, where people could drop off things they didn’t want or need anymore, ant take things they wanted or needed. We also listed areas to stay away from. We also had a meeting with veterans, both one on one, and a group meeting once a week. We went to a lot of concerts with bands that became famous…before they got too big to play the clubs we could afford. We were never bored. Thanks for your interest Drew.🖤🇨🇦
@@tamarrajames3590 Tamarra have you ever thought of doing an interview with David Hoffman Filmmaker and telling your experience during the turbulent 1960's I am sure I would not be alone in hearing about your life during the 1960's I understand if you don't wish to it's just a thought Thanks Tamarra 😊✌🧡
I am guessing but I suggest 8 Flags for 99cents is a reference to the fact you could buy 8 American flags for 99c in a nice little package in many stores, I find it rather fitting as a title
And a lot of those little flags were placed on the graves to remember those who died.
Those little flags were used as grave markers!
I think it means cheap patriotism in reference to those Richard Milhous Nixon was appealing to.
They cost 99 cents because they were made IN CHINA!
@@randymillhouse791 Back in 1970?
Amazing to see people being able to put two thoughts together back then.
😂
While drunk
This film should be seen before or after watching either the Deer Hunter, Taxi Driver or Apocalypse Now. Real people speaking and real vets.
platoon.
This is a great piece. I barely missed the draft and I feel for these veterans and families.
War rule #1 - young men die. War rule #2 - politicians will
never change rule #1.
You want old men to die now? War is a Young Man's game unfortunately.
The Vietnam War was a mistake. The majority of the people interviewed are correct in their assessment of what a waste it was , tragically. Thank You to those who served & sacrificed 🇺🇸.
A mistake launched with a lie (Gulf of Tonkin).
Allowing the rich money power to print money to pay for war is the greater mistake. They care not what horrors the likes of you and me have to live through as pawns in their money making schemes. They profit off war but first it has to be paid for.
Not mistake, A CRIME THAT KILLED 58,000 AMERICAN MEN. A C R I M E
I agree with you 100%.
Every American military involvement since World War II has been a mistake. Prove me wrong.
Thanks for posting this content, good to hear veterans view points in the 70s.
Films like this are invaluable time capsules that allow us to reflect. Thank you for sharing!
Amazing, i was home by 70, similar comments in Santa Monica ...
It's so heartening to see people coming together and having meaningful, respectful conversations about current events. I don't think this happens as much in our modern society. I could be wrong, but I don't see people having these conversations anymore.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. I'm impressed by the thoughtfulness of their views, how clearly they expressed them & the respect they showed for each other in debating. What happened to that America?
We are the poorer for it. God bless those who are not afraid to speak.
Same rhetoric goes on online.
Same old song and dance.
Thank you for your service to all the vets.
Just amazing how similar the issues in the United States were in 1969 to the issues in the United States in 2024. Nothing ever changes.
It's interesting to hear people back then voicing the same concerns that people do today, mainly that powerful people are running the world. Same story, just a different generation. I wonder if people in ancient Rome or ancient Greece voiced the same concerns that we in the modern world do.
Rome was bogged down in conflicts in the Middle East…Sound familiar?
Different political climate. Powerful people always run the world.
@@matthewmaguire3554 Rome was also giving out free food to Romans.
Honestly, what struck me the most is right after the 4 minute mark (and other points) how they can disagree with each other but keep talking and remain civilized. No one went berserk and started accusing the others of all kinds of vile things. That was very nice. Beyond that the guy talking about solving hunger and poverty was spot on. Very few people know, or care that Hitler actually got elected promising *bread and work*. At that time those things were luxuries that could be very hard to get. Of course he had other talking points, many actually, but that was his main hook.
I’m former UK Special forces and, I remember in the early 70s, having lectures from Former Vietnam veterans, on Vietnamese torture techniques. Just crazy. And here I am, at the age of 72.
Fast forward to 2003 I was an American Infantryman training for Iraq and the British Army sent to the US 3 NCO's one from the Black Watch, one from 22 Commando and one from the Desert Rats to train my Battalion on MOUT using lessons learned in Northern Ireland. I'm thankful for the exchange we learned things that on several occasions me and my men alive.
50 years later every single thing they said is still true to this day.
Does anyone notice how eloquent these young people are in the year 1970?
None of them are cursing every third word they say.
None of them stutter and say "like, like, like..." like they don't know any other words.
They're not talking like drill rappers.
This is a functioning society.
Notice the demographic as well?
3:50 "like uhh, uhh uhh" please, they were humans like us trying to create coherent statements with filler sounds, difference is the level of awareness and what we care about today. Unfortunately we care about how well they spoke instead of what's being spoken about, read that twice.
If only those people back then could see us now, I think they'd say "better them than me."
A time when Americans valued education over sugar.
Working class Whites. The backbone of the country.
I would love to see what became of the young veteran with the long, blonde hair who was hot by the "GM" shrapnel. My father would be about his age. Before being conscripted into the Army, to avoid jail (he was caught with a joint in his pocket) at age 17 (my grandparents had to sign for him to join so young), my father looked like the "all American" baseball loving kid, from Leave it to Beaver or Happy Days. After Vietnam, the rocket attack on his fire base, then addiction and getting busted with pure heroin, and put in Leavenworth for a year, my dad looked like a Manson Family lunatic. He could not keep a job; he disappeared into the Colorado mountains for weeks at a time, leaving his wife and kids; he was violent and an alcoholic by age 23, but looked he was 38.
I am sorry for your family and for your dad.
David Hoffman filmmaker
Sorry buddy. Sorry for what it did to your Dad.
Somebody said the guy in the bar is still alive at 75 years of age.Just wondering did your father eventually recover? Thanks.
55 year old US Male I’m currently in Da Nang Vietnam “China Beach” taking in all the sites and history here, it rough to think what happened here. The people here are incredibly nice. I had a cousin who died here in the war. I’m headed to Saigon next week and was already in Hanoi. Sad the government keeps looking for wars to start or get into. WTF!
Enjoy the trip. Interesting country.
A pleasure uploading great relics of everyday life in the past, rhe 70s were wild
God bless the Vietnam Veterans. You have my upmost respect.
WOW!! I remember so many friends and conversations back in "68". My best friend back then is my twin sister's husband. When I see him again I hope I can find this film. We will really be blessed by it. Just now going for V.A. benefits for back then. Bone and blood cancer and quite a few other things. Watching this is like it was 1 year ago at the most??
On a different note - the regular, blue-collar people in this town (Garfield Ridge, Il?), in 1970, seem like decent people, with common sense. I miss these kinds of people. My mother's people were from Kansas City Missouri, and my father's were from Placerville, Colorado.
Garfield ridge ,It’s a neighborhood in Chicago
People from different backgrounds, different ages , education levels and different beliefs conversing, agreeing and disagreeing without yelling and screaming. Just beautiful. Sadly, it’s all but gone it seems.
History repeats itself, over and over😢
Oh man. Where are these folks now? These are actually rational people with the exception of a couple that seem heavily set in the party line. Good stuff.
leeshiflett1863, that was my take away. They were actually rational people for the most part, even if they weren't aligned with the person's view that they were having the discussion with. Very astute comment. Reveals you yourself are a rational mature adult. Individuals' like yourself is almost up there with finding a unicorn these days. Your comment should have 1000's of likes. Take care.
It’s same same situation today. There are still young kids today who are astutely aware of the societal issues within our country and can hold very open minded discussions about it. But just like this film, one day people will look at the kids today and saw “Wow, look at the silent majority who’s thoughts and discussions never made the news or main stream media.” Controversy and chaos are far more profitable to air and push in media today. Though the times change, the people remain the same.
War is a racket
This needs to be viewed in schools. I was young during this time. I remember my friends older brothers never came home.
Good evening David, its nice to see these kind of videos that you provide for us to see, its good to hear what people say about the Vietnam war there point of view in the 1970s early 70s. Thanks for sharing this. Looking back on this video makes you think 🤔. ☮️🇺🇲
This sounds the same as a conversation of today and history will repeat itself
I am GWOT veteran. Served both OIF and OEF with multiple combat tours in each. Watching this and realizing that the rhetoric and feelings of resentment and feelings of support has not changed since this video. Terrifying.
@11:06 absolutely! That man says the truth there. Still relevant today.
Wonderfully created. It tells us that people were very dialed in to issues and able to communicate. Notice how people were respectfully talking
Our social fabric did not support the Vietnam vets like they did ww2. Society loved them. What happened to our beloved veteran of Vietnam. I love all yougs and gals welcome home.
Sad to see things are exactly the same today. At least these people could openly discuss the issues of the day.
I don’t know , I think people today are dumber, self absorbed, disconnected with reality, and more entitled than anytime in history. In those days the elites in power were hidden along with their secrets and the government made it look as though they were holding things together. Today the secrets are out in the open and it seems most people couldn’t care less because there are to many distractions. The collapse of society and our country is imminent. Could be today or next year. Either way it won’t be long.
8 coffin draped flags was only worth 99 cents
You mean flag draped coffins?
( 10:50 ) " A $500 bomb is just $500 wasted. " ( 10:50 )
Thats true, I've never heard anyone say it like that before. That statement right there. I hope that's
something that humanity soon begins to realize.
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I think explosives tend to cost more than that. I also disagree.
@@johnnotrealname8168 You disagree about what?
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@@DeanDangerousTDD7 "A $500 bomb is just $500 wasted."
@@johnnotrealname8168 I agree with you that in today's reality. Yea you are correct.
I guess with that said, We The People & all of the rest of the World's Blue Collar folks.
We need to take a hard look at Our supposed leaders & also at how humanity has gotten to where it is today when regarding war.
& also basically regarding everything that MainStream Society influences around the world.
I do see how my initial comment could be taken as a wishful or ignorant comment though when looking at Our Worlds actual reality.
This will never happen here on Earth but
I guess if the world somehow changed its perspective on conflict between Nations & all of the damage that it causes.
Ultimately leading to the world leaders to agree that bombs are a war crime.
I guess then, you could agree though rite?
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@@johnnotrealname8168 I agree with you that in today's reality. Yea you are correct.
I guess with that said, We The People & all of the rest of the World's Blue Collar folks.
We need to take a hard look at Our supposed leaders & also at how humanity has gotten to where it is today when regarding war.
& also basically regarding everything that MainStream Society influences around the world.
I do see how my initial comment could be taken as a wishful or ignorant comment though when looking at Our Worlds actual reality.
This will never happen here on Earth but
I guess if the world somehow changed its perspective on conflict between Nations & all of the damage that it causes.
Ultimately leading to the world leaders to agree that bombs are a war crime.
I guess then, you could agree though rite?
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I’m a Nam Vet…Chu Lai 68-69 1st MAW…and when I came back, I didn’t know anyone that had been to Nam. So I didn’t have anyone to talk to about it. My family, relatives, friends and coworkers, NO ONE, ever asked me about what I did there or what happened there. Granted, I was on an air base and I was never shot at or did any shooting but we did have incoming fairly frequent. Still, with no one to talk to, it was like I was never there.
Thus is the way I feel about Iraq, as an aircrewman , I left the wire.....dust in the wind....and 30 years from now forgot ......I don't regret my service, but it's focus was misappropriated.
My dad was at that base 68-69ish. He used to say “Chu Lai” whenever he thought I was telling a lie. He wanted to be infantry and the made him an electrician. He never talked much about it. Except for the morgue. He didn’t like going in there when they would loose power. He would play cards with the guy that worked in there to keep him company. The guy was really messed up and would hang out with the dead bodies. Pops was that type of guy that would do anything for you. He lost his hard fought battle with cancer from Agent Orange in 2009. VA gave me a flag at his funeral in a box made in China. I know he would have laughed just as hard as I did if he saw it. Bill Cartwright 1947-2009. Don’t know how many 1st MAW guys were on that base,but it would be pretty cool if you new him.
This film clip "Eight Flags for $0.99 by Chuck Olin is a window into the past on what ordinary Americans and the Silent Majority felt about our Vietnam policy at the time, as a young child growing up in the 1960's I believed what the woman said at 14:24 about never question authority as I got older, I found that authority was not always right. Thanks David Hoffman.
I think in many peoples minds, we were gonna be as victorious in Vietnam just like WWII. But it just didn't work out like that.
Its amazing how you could place all these people into society right now and all of their issues would still be the same. (i.e. Afghanistan, supporting Ukraine, protests, Americans fighting each other, wealth inequality)
Yeah, if you ignore the fact that over 2 million men were drafted and sent to Vietnam, it's almost exactly the same.
Thanks for sharing! My father was in Korea and veitnam. Wish people would remember!
I didn't know thier was soo many smart people In the 60s and 70s
Blackrock Inc✡ thanks you for your service fellas.
This is truly epic.
I do wish there was a version of this done in predominantly black neighborhoods to compliment this one.
I only watched one recently on blacks in Vietnam very similar
Thank You for posting this.
Amazing. That part towards the end really got me "what's the point of voting if we have a war every 10 years
What a gem. Thank you for posting.
Our politicians should have learned something from this years ago....I turned 18 in April of 75. The draft had just ended.
Seems governments never learn.
It is interesting looking back on this film now, as it seems almost as ancient and low tech amost as old black and white TV was in the 40's and 50's. Yet back then, everything seemed like we were on the leading edge of technology!
Part line phones, forget about cell phones and internet.
When dad was overseas in Vietnam and Korea, the families were lucky if they got 1 phone call during a year long deployment.
So much change in some ways, not so much in others. Its always interesting to go back in time thanks to videos such as the ones you pist and I always enjoy them. Thanks for posting them!
This is an absolute amazing thing for me to find. Thank you.
amazing how history STILL repeats itself. thank you for this upload.
David, I’ve followed you for quite a while And You’ve helped my Views be shaped so heavily by showing the Real Perspective Teaching me to always be Questioning EVERYTHING.
You provide value to us and that’s what humanity is about,
This video Should Be on Every Americans mind
But History has been Lost
This 16mm film was lost and found ,glad they restored it.
GM is making mortars mannnnn
Ford during the lockdown was making ventilators ..
Was this even true? It is possible, I am confused too as to his point, but unlikely in my view.
Yes, GM made a lot of ordinance in the 1940's during WW2, its likely it was old stock the Vietnamese got ahold of.
@@davidca96Thank You for correcting me.
@@davidca96korea, lots of arty was left during units being over run by human waves. Most of the arty used to blast the french out of dien bien phu was american.
I really liked listening to some of these smart people from the past. THANKS 🙂
Things just don't ever seem to change do they?
Nah. Always will be profit before people in a capitalistic society.
Interesting how things dont change.
David, an excellent piece! Still relevant today...
thank you for sharing this
That was a treat
Thank you for all of this interesting and informative content. I check your channel daily.
Thank you for sharing Mr.Hoffman..
History definitely repeats itself.
“Something’s happening here, and what it is isn’t exactly clear”
Stop, hey, what's that sound ?
Thank you …..great eye opener !
most things never change and we keep making the same mistakes time after time by design
thanks for sharing this
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Coming of age at this time (17 in 1970) was a combination of ignorance of complexity of the time, possibly of being drafted and like any teenager at anytime looking for a good time…later got a better understanding…would hide in the music of the time… The military industrial complex roles on… just recently, a politician, made a pitch for more money for the most recent war… And he said, don’t worry the money will be going to the factories that make all the arms and this way we can clean out the old inventory and send it off to the most current war… Very reassuring.
Solid views and experiences.
Im just looking at Chicago and compared to now....wow
Why Chicago? 🤔 something to do with race?
These kinds of conversations are the ones I cultivate in my own daily life. So open yet vigorous as hell. Of course, what they talk about then is no different now "war every 10 years" and all
This is so so true❤
Reminds me of today...
At least 1000ft of film AND crystal sync sound... professional work 👍🎥
Holy shit this is my neighborhood! I know exactly where some of these scenes are being filmed. People (especially in bars) still sound exactly like this. Great piece of footage
I forgot to ask, what bar was this filmed in? What are the other locations? I instantly recognized the fire station (on Narragansett)
They never should have given President Johnson the Tonkin Gulf Resolution. It should have been you either get a declaration of war for the attack on the USS Maddox or you pull all your advisors out of there. I still have my draft card from Nam but I got a letter saying they were stopping the draft & I didn't have to report wound up going in a few years later. Worked with quite a few Nam vets when I was in one guy was even Korea & Nam. They were all a great group of people and I feel fortunate to have worked with them & learned from them. I would like to say to all our Nam vets a very, very, very, long overdue WELCOME HOME. Thanks to all now serving, those who have, (especially our Nam vets), and those who will in the future. FLY NAVY!!!
crazy how a lot of what they’re saying is still happening to this day
10:30 this almost exact conversation just happened at my army dfac friday watching fox news about the syria/iraq retaliatory bombings
Thankd for sharing David
Great documentary title.
Gold. Thank yous.
Was this a re-upload? I could swear I saw this a couple years ago on youtube. Either way, it fascinates me every time I get to peek into the past of America like this. Love it!
The man who said things are being made by manufacturers and they are making a profit reminds me of the book War is a Racket
I was 10 in 1970, at school we were having sit-ins against the war yet my uncle was piloting an F4 phantom in Vietnam and I was in awe of him, I didn't know how to think, the military was doing their jobs, it's the politicians that cause wars in the first place, the politicians should be on the front lines, then maybe things would change.
These are all working men. Good people to the last. They built a nice life for themselves. Shortly after this, the working class died. A decent life was wiped out for them. Now, it's the death of the middle class forever.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. -Albert Einstein. Unfortunately this sentiment did not stop our government foreign policy of fighting undeclared wars.
Just Awesome!