Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past

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  • 'Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.' Edited extracts from Michael Radford's version of Orwell's 1984 to show Winston's editing of the historical record to meet the political requirements of the present.

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  • @countingzatara9621
    @countingzatara9621 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +64

    Winston using a rotary phone style keyboard to type in numbers is actually really creative and sort of feels dystopian.

    • @antonboludo8886
      @antonboludo8886 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      You seem very young.
      Being "Outer Party" is the worst.
      Either be "Inner Party" or a Prole is better.

    • @richardcallihan9746
      @richardcallihan9746 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@antonboludo8886 Looks like you've had too much to think!!!
      Don't speak out or question. Closed minds Stop thought crimes!

    • @UniqueMappingSequence
      @UniqueMappingSequence 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@antonboludo8886 prole is better. Inner party members have privileges, but those privileges might be tests itself. you have the permission, but it doesnt mean you should do it. For example turning off your telescreens. Inner party members have their own ways of walking, their own way of speaking and accents. Everything is controlled. Inner party members is the most tortured and intelligent of them all, because the party knows they are dangerous and have the ability to double think. While the outer party have some form of freedom, but is technically the citizens of oceania since they are somewhat controlled unlike the proles who have more freedom.

  • @highvoltageswitcher6256
    @highvoltageswitcher6256 ปีที่แล้ว +363

    Even in a totalitarian society Winston has a little bit of power. He decided, not O’Brien or another Inner Party member, on the ‘increase’ magnitude in the “choco” ration. Small power but at least he has some.

    • @ThomasTubeHD
      @ThomasTubeHD ปีที่แล้ว +67

      "Yeah, good, they believed in it, Parsons swallowed it easily like an animal, the girl with dark hair has some suspicions but she swallowed it as well, Syme is the smart one but he also believed in it, as long as people believed in it, what is a lie becomes truth"

    • @pplesandoranges
      @pplesandoranges ปีที่แล้ว +56

      That was the whole point. Each member of the Party is only allowed the individual power to increase the collective power of the Party.

    • @GeorgeSukFuk
      @GeorgeSukFuk ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What’s your point?

    • @highvoltageswitcher6256
      @highvoltageswitcher6256 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      The more I watch this clip the more I wonder if O’Brien promoted Winston to the Inner Party after the book ends? I know it seems unlikely given his Thought crimes and sex crimes. However, O’Brien was at pains to explain that he was trying to ‘cure’ Winston not punish him. Winston was rather good at all this stuff wasn’t he?

    • @pplesandoranges
      @pplesandoranges ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@highvoltageswitcher6256 I doubt it. It seemed like Winston was simply given a sinecure to spend his remaining days until the Party vaporises him.

  • @Argumemnon
    @Argumemnon ปีที่แล้ว +559

    And he who controls the spice controls the universe.

    • @centurionzen1005
      @centurionzen1005 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Eh, those two IPs are too different to really be comparable. 1984 is about nationalism, class struggle and information control. Dune is about wars for resources, leadership and God warship.
      WH40K complains a lot of dystopian IPs into one universe, including 1984 and Dune.

    • @captchaos83
      @captchaos83 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wasn't Wilson Fisk, the Kingpin, known as a "humble importer of spices"?

    • @Tony-ib2vm
      @Tony-ib2vm ปีที่แล้ว

      Gin, cigs, w.e....

    • @wyleong4326
      @wyleong4326 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      And who controls the universe, controls Grayskull.

    • @Kj16V
      @Kj16V ปีที่แล้ว +12

      ​@@centurionzen1005 Dude, it's just a joke.

  • @kev3d
    @kev3d 7 ปีที่แล้ว +158

    "One of these days, thought Winston with sudden deep conviction, Syme will be vaporized. He is too intelligent. He sees too clearly and speaks too plainly. The Party does not like such people. One day he will disappear. It is written in his face. "

    • @natalieanimal4063
      @natalieanimal4063 6 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      I liked what they did in the movie even though it wasn't in the book- when Winston is working and realizes that Syme will be vaporized. It was a really haunting moment, but I don't think it could work that well when read- it needs to be watched. In the book, Orwell's way to tell us what happened to Syme was good too because it came out of the blue after an unrelated chapter. The first sentence of the new one is just like hey, he's gone.

    • @johndonwood4305
      @johndonwood4305 5 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      kev3d The fact that Winston knows what will happen to Syme is just as horrifying. Thoughtcrime does not entail death. Thoughtcrime is death.

    • @arrowtt3364
      @arrowtt3364 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      It was really nicely done how they portrayed that in the film.

  • @docsharky
    @docsharky ปีที่แล้ว +153

    Love the Wallpaper on those PCs

    • @centurionzen1005
      @centurionzen1005 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      LOL

    • @billyb4790
      @billyb4790 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It’s kind of cool how the movie held true to the technology in the book.

    • @richardcallihan9746
      @richardcallihan9746 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Looks like you've had too much to think!!!
      Don't speak out or question. Closed minds Stop thought crimes!

    • @aabb-n4y
      @aabb-n4y หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Of course brother that Scatman wallpaper is dope 🔥🥵

  • @madmanmapper
    @madmanmapper ปีที่แล้ว +58

    First time I realized even the newspaper is written in Newspeak.

    • @richardcallihan9746
      @richardcallihan9746 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Looks like you've had too much to think!!!
      Don't speak out or question. Closed minds Stop thought crimes!

    • @UniqueMappingSequence
      @UniqueMappingSequence 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      just shut up and swallow it. Big Brother is watching.

  • @paulnash9851
    @paulnash9851 ปีที่แล้ว +122

    People talk about horror films.
    This.
    No gore, no jump scares. No beasts/monsters.
    The most absolutely terrifying film I have ever or will see.
    This is coming, we made/invited this.
    I’ll be gone, but our descendants will live this.
    From the UK (airstrip one)

    • @spudpud-T67
      @spudpud-T67 ปีที่แล้ว

      What is even more scary is we are sinking into this unperson reality daily.
      When your only stand is to kill yourself before they execute you.

    • @gman6081
      @gman6081 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I feel the same way. Not everyone is aware, but it has already got its roots established here in the states. Terrifying and depressingly sad.

    • @PMunkS
      @PMunkS ปีที่แล้ว +5

      We will own nothing and we will be happy. The term, "happy", however will be redefined to mean and emote something completely different than what we might otherwise think of today.

    • @Chreeeis
      @Chreeeis ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah guys this is super deep like our society is just falling apart oh man what do we do

    • @Siimeon98
      @Siimeon98 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ​@@Chreeeis We should be more aware about this and not complying everything, that our world leaders tells us. Covid-19 is a really good example.

  • @muhammadcalvin8281
    @muhammadcalvin8281 ปีที่แล้ว +121

    I wish someone on youtube made a video explaining this movie frame by frame due to how foreign yet interesting these scene looks

    • @centurionzen1005
      @centurionzen1005 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      That's why I don't think it's a very good movie. you have to have first-hand knowledge of the book itself. It just feels like the whole point of the film was to give stock footage for the book.

    • @PatrickHutton
      @PatrickHutton ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I read the book as a child. I don't think you need to read the book to understand the film.

    • @centurionzen1005
      @centurionzen1005 ปีที่แล้ว

      @PatrickHutton "What can you do, thought Winston, against the lunatic who is more intelligent than yourself, who gives your arguments a fair hearing and then simply persists in his lunacy?"
      This is the line that I think really matters the most. It sums up Oceania. It's a state run by Insane troll logic - just an example; the police patrol the streets even though there are no laws "because Oceania is the freest in the world! We can't have authoritarian policing!" Even though being caught with a diary could get you killed.
      There's a lot of details that add up to a nightmare picture that I don't think you could ever put into a film. What this film did (quite well mind you) was create the images we now think of when we read the book, especially the party logo.

    • @janeblogs324
      @janeblogs324 ปีที่แล้ว

      What movie?

    • @smileitsfreeanditwillmakes4121
      @smileitsfreeanditwillmakes4121 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Do your own homework. Film appreciation is an elective course.

  • @robertszelepcsenyi3695
    @robertszelepcsenyi3695 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Probably the closest real world country to the fictional Oceania in 1984 was Ceacescu's Romania. In the late 80s three persons together in a public space were considered dangerous of starting a revolt. Such was the hysteria of the regime nearing its demise.

    • @saucevc8353
      @saucevc8353 ปีที่แล้ว

      Actually I think modern day North Korea would be closer, especially considering all the nonsense and false history they are constantly fed, and they're actually a communist nation.

    • @britainman3459
      @britainman3459 ปีที่แล้ว

      Khmer rouge?

    • @yersipest
      @yersipest ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Khmer rouge was not a country, it was madness.

    • @JosOrtizlugo-hc7zj
      @JosOrtizlugo-hc7zj ปีที่แล้ว +2

      OTAN

    • @hafizihilmibinabdulhalim1004
      @hafizihilmibinabdulhalim1004 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Hoxha's Albania and North Korea also came pretty close

  • @thedaggonator
    @thedaggonator ปีที่แล้ว +98

    These MiniTrue scenes really make me appreciate how conveniant our tech is. Glad to know the Department of Media Production in America has an easier time controlling the past, present and future.

  • @Lupinthe3rd.
    @Lupinthe3rd. 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    This clip is not taken from a movie but from the security footage of the offices of X formerly twitter.

    • @centurionzen1005
      @centurionzen1005 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Won't be long before calling it twitter would be considered an act of rebellion. "The party says it had always been called x, and they invented it."

    • @richardcallihan9746
      @richardcallihan9746 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ever since we first heard that Awkward Answer From the Past. "Well, it depends on what the definition of IS, IS".
      No one can truthfully answer a question

  • @clairestark9024
    @clairestark9024 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    One of the things I often wonder about is if the choco rations are going down because the incsoc is failling and cannot maintain production or if its about power. O brien implies the later but I suspect the former and o brien is just as part of the delusion as anything else.

    • @ScottieDont456
      @ScottieDont456 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I think the party has already failed and is clinging to life

    • @clairestark9024
      @clairestark9024 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ScottieDont456 yeah the inner party have been fed a seperate line of lies by deluding themselves that their failure is success. The proles and outer party is fed lies about reality and the inner party lies to itself by mistaking brutality for power as the system rots.
      With that in mind it's probably worth noting the appendix implied oceana failled as it's written in past tense

    • @averymicrowave1713
      @averymicrowave1713 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I mean you could argue that it's simply a method of maintaining power - maintaining or bringing down ration levels in order to exert further control over the populace, making it so that they believe they are receiving the same amount or greater when in reality it's been steadily decreasing. At the same time, however, it does seem like a lot of work for just an illusion of luxury and comfort when providing the real deal would go much further in keeping population loyalty.
      Personally I think the whole murkiness itself is control - in the environment of Oceania and the Inner Party you can't be sure about if the amount of available chocolate rations is actually decreasing due to logistical or production inadequacy, or if it's a deliberate exercise of power. If the former, the sheer amount of paranoia in society ensures that people either never fully believe that there is an actual shortage or are too scared to commit to a food riot, and if the latter then the lower Party members can't even afford to act disgruntled.

    • @clairestark9024
      @clairestark9024 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Yeah its one of the interesting aspect of the story. The objective reality of the situation is hard to pin down, it's hard to know if the inner party are even aware of the truth.
      I tend to lean towards the system is failling from visual ques in the movie . Everything is run down and dilapidated including inner party and thought police stuff or things which absolutely need to function well.O brien looks rather tired and sick and the internal pogrom is now harming people it's a bad idea to harm like Tom and smye

    • @maty6799
      @maty6799 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Interesante, nunca había pensado eso

  • @SteinerArts
    @SteinerArts 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    "He who controls the past, commands the future. He who commands the future conquers the past."
    -Kane, Command & Conquer Red Alert

  • @mblaber2000
    @mblaber2000 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    He who controls the toilet paper must be obeyed…

  • @rocketgames2444
    @rocketgames2444 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Cloths and buildings reminds me a City - 17

  • @maximumjesus
    @maximumjesus ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Wouldn't he need to correct the entire article, not just the title?

    • @Infantryman755
      @Infantryman755 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      Probably up to another department.

    • @trianglemoebius
      @trianglemoebius ปีที่แล้ว +12

      No, because Oceania doesn't care about truth.
      In real news, the truth is recorded and then the headlines made the reflect such. In Oceania, the headlines and recorded and then the "truth" is made to reflect such.

    • @danser_theplayer01
      @danser_theplayer01 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@trianglemoebiusOceania is a real country, kinda sucks that it's also a name for whatever this hellscape is.

    • @drmaulana2600
      @drmaulana2600 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@danser_theplayer01 there is no country named "Oceania" in real life

    • @danser_theplayer01
      @danser_theplayer01 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@drmaulana2600 You're right, it's not a country I forgot, it's actually a bunch of islands in Pacific ocean like New Guinea and Easter Island. So it's more than one country.

  • @muffinman6048
    @muffinman6048 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    TBH this reminds me of how a lot of mainstream news outlets from all over the political spectrum will tweak and edit digital articles after they come out, often without disclosing they have done so.

    • @centurionzen1005
      @centurionzen1005 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not that it's strictly a bad thing, but this is revising news reports at its worst. It's just something that if you do too much of without any ethics, you'll just be replacing one piece of nonsense with another.

  • @toddmorgan2628
    @toddmorgan2628 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    When I first read 1984 I thought it was the future. Later I thought Brave New World was the future. Even later I thought neither. And now in my late middle age I thinking again that 1984 is the future.

    • @USA_UNITED1776
      @USA_UNITED1776 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      We're already pretty close. In any strictly organized society like ours we are atleast 50 percent like 1984, as it's 50 percent human nature.

    • @user-hl4uo6yq8w
      @user-hl4uo6yq8w 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Those aren't mutually exclusive.

    • @gltins69
      @gltins69 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      1984 is now

    • @Realauntmeme
      @Realauntmeme 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think it will be a combination of 1984, Brave New World and Fahrenheit 451.

  • @Mr.Turano
    @Mr.Turano ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Unless you have been subjugated, you’ll likely not know what you’d tolerate for peace

    • @hansofaxalia
      @hansofaxalia ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Macdonalds dollar menu being taken away

  • @kalterkaffee6167
    @kalterkaffee6167 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    i could somehow deal with the horrible food and drink, but imagine having to work with crappy pencils like that everyday

  • @MFG333
    @MFG333 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER!

  • @PMunkS
    @PMunkS ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Somewhere, someone is living large and enjoying freedom and rich colourful natural beauty at the expense of these joyless sods.

    • @SamuelBlack84
      @SamuelBlack84 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Just like the real world. For someone to prosper someone else has to suffer

    • @user-hl4uo6yq8w
      @user-hl4uo6yq8w 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      "For someone to prosper someone else has to suffer."
      That's not even true. Production is beneficial to everyone, and nobody suffers.

    • @SamuelBlack84
      @SamuelBlack84 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@user-hl4uo6yq8w But there's always someone at the top who decides that they get the lions share

    • @re1010
      @re1010 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Maybe bother to read tge book or watch tge movie.
      Here, there is no luxury, not even for Inner Party members. It's all about power and control. To have luxuries would be a step in unjustifying tge war.

    • @PMunkS
      @PMunkS 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@re1010 Read it (long time ago), watched the movie (starring John Hurt) and listened to the audio book (couple years ago)... Orwell largely focused on Winston and did not explore the living conditions of the Big Brother leadership.
      Winston is a civil servant in service to the Ministry of Truth and Big Brother, he would enjoy more privilege than any lower-class non-apparatchik. I expect that inner party members, such as O'Brien, might enjoy graduated levels of comparative luxury.
      Huxley, on the other hand, did explore class hierarchy in his contemporaneous dystopian novel.

  • @punchtalestudio
    @punchtalestudio ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Brazil was released the same year. And it shows

    • @detectordegados5292
      @detectordegados5292 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why?

    • @misterprecocious2491
      @misterprecocious2491 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      ​@@detectordegados5292 because someone once described Brazil as like 1984 meets Monty python.

    • @detectordegados5292
      @detectordegados5292 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@misterprecocious2491 LOL. That's precisely it. I imagined it was something like this but thought it could have a deeper reference. But I would change that quote, "Brazil is like 1985 meets Brazil", the flick is a precise mock, as our 1964-1985 dictatorship was just as a joke in being a totalitarian dictatorship as Brazil's (movie) one was

    • @busterdog321
      @busterdog321 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@misterprecocious2491 id have to put it at, "Monty Python on the bench in front of 101." I enjoy Brazil a lot but there are a lot of dead parrots.

    • @wordman3624
      @wordman3624 ปีที่แล้ว

      Actually Brazil was released one year later in 1985.

  • @kao856
    @kao856 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This means that whoever controls the present controls the future

  • @user-fh1nq3ij5n
    @user-fh1nq3ij5n ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Most people call 1984 a cience fiction. A prefer calling It a warning.

    • @celtspeaksgoth7251
      @celtspeaksgoth7251 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      it's an instruction manual

    • @amsterdamcowboy9738
      @amsterdamcowboy9738 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Most people call it both without typos so lazy they could win awards.

    • @spudpud-T67
      @spudpud-T67 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      A history book from the 2000's.

    • @gulbones5687
      @gulbones5687 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ITs An InStRuCtiOn MaNuaL.
      Jesus, come up with an original comment

    • @dennisznaniecke490
      @dennisznaniecke490 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed

  • @billyb4790
    @billyb4790 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This brings Dilbert to frighteningly new levels.

  • @BoomKissa
    @BoomKissa ปีที่แล้ว +19

    This is looks like documentic on how Russia and China works.

    • @criztu
      @criztu ปีที่แล้ว

      This is actually a documentary about The West.
      You may find it interesting to learn that V.I.Lenin was trained in Switzerland and sent to Russia to topple the Holstein-Gottorp emperor. Nicholas 2 von Holstein Gottorp emperor of Russia was cousin of George 5 von Saxe Gotha king of Great Britain

    • @StandingWithIsraeI
      @StandingWithIsraeI ปีที่แล้ว +1

      💯

    • @Baddaby
      @Baddaby 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Russia... lmao get a clue
      The cold war is OVER. Has been for decades. It's one of the top capitalist countries of the world for decades now

    • @asmallphd9648
      @asmallphd9648 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Even those two are more free, try north korea.

  • @DJKinney
    @DJKinney ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I remember Office Space as being funnier.

  • @florilegiumsermonum142
    @florilegiumsermonum142 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Could anyone explain me why Syme was vaporised? He was faithful to the Party and great supporter of Ignsoc ideology!!!

    • @fruroo9723
      @fruroo9723 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      As it says in the book, he's simply too intelligent- the party believes that his intelligence means he has the capacity to think for himself, and because of that possibly question the party, and so must go. 'one of these days, thought Winston with sudden deep conviction, Syme will be vaporized. He is too intelligent. He sees too clearly and speaks too plainly. The Party does not like such people. One day he will disappear. It is written in his face.' as it says when Winston talks to him. Also maybe because Syme was one of the people working on newspeak, and so had to have some kind of understanding of the words that they were making 'unthinkable' by removing them from the language- liberty, self expression, free will, and so on- which the party sees as a threat as in their eyes merely understanding them is as dangerous as actually carrying them out (thoughtcrime). He didn't get vaporised because of anything he did, rather because of what the party believed he could due to his intelligence.

    • @centurionzen1005
      @centurionzen1005 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      There's actually genuine doubt that he was disloyal in the first place. He was reported by his daughter, who may have misheard his whisper & she could have just made it up to begin with.

    • @fruroo9723
      @fruroo9723 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@centurionzen1005 that’s parsons not syme i think

    • @jimjimmers8571
      @jimjimmers8571 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@fruroo9723It was Parsons. Parsons said he talked in his sleep, and that his daughter overheard him accidentally talking bad about Big Brother while doing so.

    • @WarlockGhorst
      @WarlockGhorst หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Syme knows how the system works, and he MIGHT use that against the party IF he ever changes his mind.
      The party saw him as a potential threat.
      So he was vaporised.

  • @RX-12
    @RX-12 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The humble origins of Chancellor Sutler.

  • @MyrddinREmrys
    @MyrddinREmrys ปีที่แล้ว +6

    So familiar... Sort of makes one want to become a rogue air con repairer.

  • @fellowbalkaner09
    @fellowbalkaner09 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Someone should make a game out of this

  • @rickmartin8262
    @rickmartin8262 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I thought this was video of the FBI editing social media content. My bad.

  • @williamkirby8092
    @williamkirby8092 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The friend speaking about chocolate rations was so good in Love Actually

  • @marcosramos4596
    @marcosramos4596 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    If you can control the History Books 📚 then you can change the Future!

  • @crispincoque
    @crispincoque ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: if only England and its people were as beautiful as this! 😊🇬🇧

    • @Прион
      @Прион ปีที่แล้ว

      Весь мир некрасив ВЕЗДЕ

    • @herrdirector8596
      @herrdirector8596 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Go figure the pap makes sense you want a totalitarian dictatorship

  • @GulfCoastJohnny
    @GulfCoastJohnny 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Social Media Factcheckers

  • @treeman101
    @treeman101 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    they say history repeats itself, but in this they have little mention of god sending a flood

  • @barkebaat
    @barkebaat ปีที่แล้ว +21

    So ... a bit like Wikipedia, then ?

    • @DanieliusGoriunovas
      @DanieliusGoriunovas ปีที่แล้ว +6

      You are absurd to declare that.

    • @muffinman6048
      @muffinman6048 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@DanieliusGoriunovas I mean... anyone can edit it. It isn't exactly very reliable.

    • @DanieliusGoriunovas
      @DanieliusGoriunovas ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@muffinman6048 true, but it's not centrally censored! So it's not like 1984, it has different kind of problems :-D

    • @muffinman6048
      @muffinman6048 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@DanieliusGoriunovas Certain topics are dictated by the moderators wishes. For instance, the page on crossdressing serial killers (and any record of it) was deleted a few years back, because it was decided to be "inconvenient" information.

    • @DanieliusGoriunovas
      @DanieliusGoriunovas ปีที่แล้ว +6

      ​@@muffinman6048 But that category was deleted not for that reason.
      You can check the disccusion logs (2019 July 7), where it was democratically concluded that the category simply:
      1) Doesn't have enough content (2 articles was not enough for a category);
      2) Sexuallity wasn't a worthy categorization at that time per the "Overcategorization" rule of Wikipedia.
      Of course, maybe due to recent event the category could be bringed back (if it has more content) - and anyone who wishes to do that can do it.
      I am just arguing, that democratic additions or removals aren't like in 1984 :D

  • @Trollsty
    @Trollsty ปีที่แล้ว +4

    He who controls the pants controls the galaxy

  • @davelc1234
    @davelc1234 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Same shit deferent day at the BBC.

    • @WillScarlet1991
      @WillScarlet1991 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Or any other media channel, whether the MSM or an echo chamber.

  • @maximumcaffeine6003
    @maximumcaffeine6003 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Less is more comrade, less is more.....more or less.

  • @RustKnight
    @RustKnight ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Is this just me who have the shivering down my spine? The present is written in the books of the past.
    The future also??

  • @Balkaner_0
    @Balkaner_0 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    And he who controls the future, conquers the past

  • @aniroblox7139
    @aniroblox7139 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Brillant! The book does not show Ogilvy being shown to the citizens of Oceania!

  • @Loli4lyf
    @Loli4lyf ปีที่แล้ว +2

    he who controls the controller control the control

  • @dannylo5875
    @dannylo5875 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    We have chatgpt man and if it was here a new office scenario. all these would be begging unemployed on the street.

  • @IngoPagels
    @IngoPagels ปีที่แล้ว +2

    is that Gregor Fisher?? with hair

  • @luciusvorenus9445
    @luciusvorenus9445 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    What is to "cancel" someone but to make them an "unperson".

    • @highvoltageswitcher6256
      @highvoltageswitcher6256 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cancelling someone means that are not allowed to participate in mainstream society, especially in elite circles. An “Unperson” is a person who is not only cancelled, they no longer exist. Even more perniciously, they have never officially existed!

    • @Summersong2262
      @Summersong2262 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Yeah, except cancelled people are never obliterated, and they're rarely even worse off in any material sense. 'Cancel' is almost always a code word for 'criticised in a way that offends the Right'.

    • @AlexThyGreek
      @AlexThyGreek ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ​@@Summersong2262sounds like party propaganda lol

    • @Summersong2262
      @Summersong2262 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@AlexThyGreek Only because you're not bothering to actually consider and analyse the situation or text. Less slogans, more English skills, please.

    • @HeadsFullOfEyeballs
      @HeadsFullOfEyeballs ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Getting "cancelled" just means that many people are publicly expressing their distaste for you because of something you said or did. Being made an "unperson" in 1984, meanwhile, means being dragged away, killed, and subsequently scrubbed from history. _Slight_ difference there.

  • @danser_theplayer01
    @danser_theplayer01 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Idk what this guys job is but it seems like just a few of them can ruin a lot for the dictator.

    • @cristianm7097
      @cristianm7097 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      There is no dictator, Big Brother had died long ago, but the Inner Party kept his image alive in eternity.

    • @danser_theplayer01
      @danser_theplayer01 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cristianm7097 Ok this movie keeps gettin weirder I should probably clarify by watching it.

    • @cristianm7097
      @cristianm7097 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@danser_theplayer01 You should read the book. "Is Big Brother alive ? Of course he is. He will never die."

  • @joshuajones634
    @joshuajones634 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What if time doesn't actually exist

    • @USA_UNITED1776
      @USA_UNITED1776 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Time is change, and change exists. Beyond that time doesn't exist.

  • @-AV8R-
    @-AV8R- ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Orwell was just a few decades off.

  • @Mr-Bogs
    @Mr-Bogs ปีที่แล้ว +19

    The scariest part of the book, is when you begin to realize how similar our current world is.

    • @Joseph-Mamma
      @Joseph-Mamma ปีที่แล้ว +9

      its night and day how our world is to anything in this film

    • @billyb4790
      @billyb4790 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @JACK GORCZYK maybe but it’s a scary thought hoe daily it could.

    • @paulhunter6742
      @paulhunter6742 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The internet is prime example; it's reached point where everything being manipulated so much; You don't know what real and what's fantasy.

    • @vangroover1903
      @vangroover1903 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@paulhunter6742 It's all still pretty obvious.

    • @vangroover1903
      @vangroover1903 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@billyb4790 It would be if it were plausible, but it's not, so it's just hysterical.

  • @mrviking2mcall212
    @mrviking2mcall212 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Don’t mind all the doomers in this comment section. 1984 has not ‘come true’, at least not in the West, but these people think it has, on account of how companies and the government can get tiny bits of personal information off of us thanks to modern technology and because we happen to be living in a time of financial hardship and inflation.
    I know being depressingly cynical is practically cool these days, but me personally, I’m not having it.
    Humanity has only ever progressed forward across it’s entire history - technologically, socially, and politically. The Victorian anthropologists who thought the world would have ended by now have been proven wrong. World War-era authors such as J. R. Tolkien who believed humanity is destined for nothing but war and destruction were proven wrong when the 21st Century, bad as it may appear at first glance, has been the most peaceful period in human history. 1984 was set in 1984, and outside of the Soviet Bloc, very few parts of the world resembled its exaggeratedly dystopian society when that year rolled around.
    Contrary to the book and this movie, you’re completely free to think what you want. But I’m optimistic about the future.

    • @Snottle1
      @Snottle1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      "Humanity has only ever progressed forward across it's entire history - technologically, socially, and politically."
      I don't know how you were able to type that with a straight face. I also think doomer-ism is useless and should be avoided in favor of more proactive thought and action, but you're either sorely ignorant of history or you are joking. First thing to read up on would be the Dark Ages, if the former is true.

    • @OneofInfinity.
      @OneofInfinity. ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Found the 🐑

    • @mrviking2mcall212
      @mrviking2mcall212 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@OneofInfinity. Hey, I’m not saying the world is perfect. It’s far from it.

    • @lee3r24
      @lee3r24 ปีที่แล้ว

      21st century most peaceful period in human history? War in Afghanistan, 2nd Gulf War, Russian invasion of Ukraine, multiple conflicts in the middle east and we're only 23 years in.

    • @Bitter765
      @Bitter765 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I appreciate you’re optimism about the future

  • @GigaGoose123
    @GigaGoose123 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Wow, a first hand look inside the Russian "Internet Research Agency"!

    • @billyb4790
      @billyb4790 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Is that what your tv told you?

    • @GigaGoose123
      @GigaGoose123 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@billyb4790 50c for you!

    • @SuperValue350
      @SuperValue350 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@GigaGoose123 You really don't see the irony, do you?

  • @KurtColville
    @KurtColville ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Now it’s just “the algorithm” that’ll write all the propaganda.

    • @cristianm7097
      @cristianm7097 ปีที่แล้ว

      AI will become God and produce its own movie titled "The Triumph of AI"

    • @user-hl4uo6yq8w
      @user-hl4uo6yq8w 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@cristianm7097The worst thing about AI trying to become God is how utterly insipid it has to be to accomplish that.
      At some point it has to abandon all semblance of good and truth, because what's good and true eventually leads to YHWH.

    • @cristianm7097
      @cristianm7097 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@user-hl4uo6yq8w YHWH is a human invention.

  • @DoIoannToKnow
    @DoIoannToKnow ปีที่แล้ว +3

    happy Passover guys

  • @RobsonRoverRepair
    @RobsonRoverRepair 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ah yes. Wikipedia

  • @oleopathic
    @oleopathic ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Russia in 2023 as it tries and fails to defeat its much smaller neighbor ?
    "The more things change the more they stay the same" - Plisken, Snake
    Update: August 2023. Russia is losing the war.

    • @vasilyzaytsev7949
      @vasilyzaytsev7949 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same for west as well

    • @oleopathic
      @oleopathic ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@vasilyzaytsev7949 west is very large. Not same as west. West uses transparency and democracy in its many societies. Russia is close to lowering iron curtain 2.0 -- once again.

    • @Watcher4111
      @Watcher4111 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@vasilyzaytsev7949 Russia is pathetic. Before ukraine war, putin demanded from nato to withdraw from Poland and other countries but nato instead increased its presence in Poland and other countries. Finland and sweden joins nato. Putin only can demand from shoygu to wipe his butt hahaha

    • @billyb4790
      @billyb4790 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What are you talking about? How old are you? Because you sound like you don’t know Jack squat. Go to a ya pride rally or something.

    • @CoolNickHere69
      @CoolNickHere69 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Never thought someone would combine 1984 and Escape From L.A.

  • @amazingman63
    @amazingman63 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you think your political party is different, it isn't.

  • @dannygjk
    @dannygjk ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I read the book but I don't remember if I watched the movie.

    • @aabb-n4y
      @aabb-n4y หลายเดือนก่อน

      There are like 3 móviles, this is by popularity the best versión, i think also the last one, i find hard someone remakes It i think i couldnt be affordable, it goes agains the actual consumerism ideology.
      People would be canceling Netflix next month.

  • @su-25frogfoot74
    @su-25frogfoot74 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    It's like looking at the future of europe

  • @richardcallihan9746
    @richardcallihan9746 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Who controls the past controls the future: Who controls the present, controls the past… The mutability of the past is the central tenet of democrats.
    It is argued that past events have no objective existence, but survive only in written records and human memories. The past is whatever the records
    and the memories agree upon. And since the Party is in full control of all records, and equally full control of the minds of its members, along
    With big tech/media complicity, it follows that the past is whatever the Party chooses to make it.

  • @billyshane3804
    @billyshane3804 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    He who controls the toilets controls the bowels of others.

  • @vulpsturm
    @vulpsturm ปีที่แล้ว +8

    It's like listening to a Joe Biden administration.

    • @peg2legs90
      @peg2legs90 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I knew there would be a political comment

    • @stark1987
      @stark1987 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@peg2legs90 the movie is political commentary

    • @peg2legs90
      @peg2legs90 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@stark1987 About authoritarianism, not the Biden administration

    • @stark1987
      @stark1987 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@peg2legs90 XD an illegitimate administration is default authoritarian, biden is illegitimated, so its a commentary on bidens illegitimate authoritarian admin

  • @donttread5414
    @donttread5414 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    The covid hysteria gave a good idea in to peoples character and who would be model statists for a 1984 dystopia

    • @vangroover1903
      @vangroover1903 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      And also to keep a short leash on the lower orders that can't follow simple instructions to help combat a deadly disease. Obedience classes seem in order.

    • @centurionzen1005
      @centurionzen1005 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Will you to live in the real world for a minute...

    • @_Atreides_
      @_Atreides_ ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Locking everyone in their homes and absolutely dehumanizing those who simply wanted to work or go out was definitely a bad thing (we're reaping the consequences now)
      But so was refusing to wear simple masks, respecting social distancing and attacking vaccines as a whole

    • @vangroover1903
      @vangroover1903 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@_Atreides_ The first one was probably overdone, and hopefully we can learn from that, but the second was childish and churlish, and those ones refuse to learn.

    • @Baddaby
      @Baddaby 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@vangroover1903 was definitely not overdone and can be attributed to low amount of cases in countries that used and promoted the prevention measures.
      It's not a coincidence USA and Brazil were run by anti-vaccine idiots and were the worst cases of the pandemic

  • @ppg123p
    @ppg123p 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    British Empire is watching you

    • @dibershai6009
      @dibershai6009 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Uncle Sam is watching you

  • @gandalffreyasson7409
    @gandalffreyasson7409 ปีที่แล้ว

    Forerunner of CNN & MSNBC, and from where they got their ideas on how to "report" they the "news".

  • @johnkoenig326
    @johnkoenig326 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Google.

  • @brentfarvors192
    @brentfarvors192 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    "How the BBC was formed"...

  • @sophiedousson1426
    @sophiedousson1426 ปีที่แล้ว

    le passé tu peux pas le controléer parce qu'il est passé il existe ds le présent et il existera ds le futur

  • @SamuelBlack84
    @SamuelBlack84 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Big Brother is most definitely watching you and tjey DO twist everything no matter what it is to suit themselves using fear and intimidation as weapons to coerce you into obediance
    Take it from someone whose experienced it in reality

  • @peterd9940
    @peterd9940 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh cnn

  • @SmartassX1
    @SmartassX1 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is the sort of stuff they do in China, Russia and north Korea.

    • @Joseph-Mamma
      @Joseph-Mamma ปีที่แล้ว

      not really - 1984 is very much a western perspective - wont be long before you are doing all the stuff they do in China just to keep up

    • @Прион
      @Прион ปีที่แล้ว

      В России до НЕДАВНЕГО времени все было очень хорошо несмотря на вредительство и паразитизм Путинского режима

  • @scottm5425
    @scottm5425 ปีที่แล้ว

    CNN vs FOX

    • @kreuner11
      @kreuner11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Both owned by the same family

    • @MNAHN-T.GOF-NN
      @MNAHN-T.GOF-NN ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kreuner11 Indeed. Nearly all media in the Western world is owned by a select few, directly or indirectly.
      th-cam.com/video/iYO_gK3P2ls/w-d-xo.html

    • @jimjimmers8571
      @jimjimmers8571 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kreuner11Divide the people and you can make millions off of both. Make up fake issues to draw attention away from the real ones you create.

  • @psychiatry-is-eugenics
    @psychiatry-is-eugenics ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Psychiatry has a major impact on this country .
    Psychiatrists make sick people sicker

  • @MaskMasterEsquire
    @MaskMasterEsquire ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I've seen the sequel 'New Zealand 2023'. It is awful.

    • @OneofInfinity.
      @OneofInfinity. ปีที่แล้ว

      "Prison colony 2023" is not better.

    • @Joseph-Mamma
      @Joseph-Mamma ปีที่แล้ว

      the world deserves it and we will continue to terrorize it with our CDC

  • @raduleu293
    @raduleu293 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cleopatra was white...

    • @centurionzen1005
      @centurionzen1005 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      She was African.

    • @PolishGod1234
      @PolishGod1234 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Nope, she was actualy Greek​@@centurionzen1005

    • @space6689
      @space6689 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ni blanca ni negra, pasa que ustedes los gringos no saben de etnias y solo ven colores de piel

  • @garryharrington8255
    @garryharrington8255 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    i think the gov is doing a wonderfull job .keeping us safe in thease troubling times

  • @the.parks.of.no.return
    @the.parks.of.no.return ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Poor saps - they don't even realise they will be wearing masks and getting multiple jabs

    • @vangroover1903
      @vangroover1903 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And laughing at the toothless clods crying like hysterical cowards about such simple measures to control a deadly pandemic.

    • @randominternetguy8735
      @randominternetguy8735 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Entitled Westerners who think they live under a dictatorship because the government is trying to give them medicine ought to visit a real dictatorship like South Sudan where there is no such medicine.

    • @saucevc8353
      @saucevc8353 ปีที่แล้ว

      Doing the bare minimum to protect yourself and others is literally 1984? Do you also complain about having to wear a seatbelt? Comments like these are a disservice to people who are actually victims of tyranny, poverty, and totalitarianism.

    • @Baddaby
      @Baddaby 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      2023 and we stll have idiots like you

  • @fritzsmith3296
    @fritzsmith3296 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Who controls the past controls the future". That is a totally dumb statement. How can you control something that has already happened?

    • @Maowka
      @Maowka ปีที่แล้ว

      You alter the facts to fit a desired narrative, thereby convincing others of your 'truth' en masse, which in turn erases the original truth.

  • @ja1haha
    @ja1haha ปีที่แล้ว

    Where can I find this stupid movie?

  • @damazywlodarczyk
    @damazywlodarczyk ปีที่แล้ว

    How did you overcome the copyright claims?

  • @KimTheCreator
    @KimTheCreator 7 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    What a beautifully made movie.
    Saw it only recently, and it is I think the only movie I've seen that stayed almost completely true to the original source material.

  • @johndonwood4305
    @johndonwood4305 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The irony of Winston's work and indeed the entire minitrue, is that they are permitted to deliberately falsify or revise events, facts, and percentages but do so in their cubicles hunched over their speakwrites as though it was a crime in itself.

  • @sillyone52062
    @sillyone52062 7 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    RIP John Hurt

  • @KOLN555
    @KOLN555 9 ปีที่แล้ว +122

    It's an incomplete phrase. It should be "Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past: who controls the Spice controls the present." Or perhaps my memories of novels are sliding together.

    • @RichardCyberPunk
      @RichardCyberPunk 9 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      +KOLN555 , mixing up 1984 and Dune ?

    • @ericcrawford2697
      @ericcrawford2697 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      +KOLN555 Twat.

    • @thedarkmaster4747
      @thedarkmaster4747 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      KOLN555 *overdoeses* it is by will alone, that i set my mind in motion... @ _ @ lol! great fictional concept, as a trope, vast empire that runs on "good crack" i

    • @kanethemessiah5603
      @kanethemessiah5603 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Who controls Spice, controls Universe!

    • @ProjectFlashlight612
      @ProjectFlashlight612 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If Spice alone allows travel between stars, and only Arrakis has Spice...how in hell did humans reach Arrakis in the first place?!

  • @RamekGreen
    @RamekGreen 7 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    that's where they make all those alternative facts

  • @natalieanimal4063
    @natalieanimal4063 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hey, this has the scene I was hoping to find in a video, the one when Winston found out Syme was going to be vaporized. It's such a powerful scene, imagine being in Winston's place. And I appreciate it the director had this idea, since it's different in the book, and that way (simply saying "Syme is gone" after an unrelated narrative) could never work in a movie, but it's brilliant in a book. Just like this scene couldn't work when read, but it's so haunting when seen, without any words.

  • @Jaris84R
    @Jaris84R 7 ปีที่แล้ว +171

    we were warned....

    • @nathancifuentes2448
      @nathancifuentes2448 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      florinu123k
      Quite Frankly I Don't Understand ,
      Can you please explain this to me

    • @Joseph-Mamma
      @Joseph-Mamma ปีที่แล้ว

      only a broke mf would say that
      go get paid

  • @mikemanners1069
    @mikemanners1069 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    WE should all get a Big Brother Wallpaper for our PCs like poor Winston Smith here.....

  • @Mindraker1
    @Mindraker1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    Oh, I get it, it's kind of like the admins on Wikipedia.

    • @centurionzen1005
      @centurionzen1005 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Only in a much more grimm way. Since that is what edits and updates are & even science, as information changes with new discoveries.

  • @angelcastillo3871
    @angelcastillo3871 7 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    0:30 look at that new hightech one of a kind super smart apple comouter

  • @bunji666
    @bunji666 7 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    rip john hurt

    • @occidentadvocate.9759
      @occidentadvocate.9759 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes Brilliant actor. One my favs. He was brilliant in "A man for all seasons" too.

    • @artcurious807
      @artcurious807 ปีที่แล้ว

      "Get out !...all of you."

  • @harveykeitel3066
    @harveykeitel3066 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Makes really regret not finishing my degree. This is exactly what I would have been doing.

  • @yarpen26
    @yarpen26 7 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    it's actually kind of a missed opportunity here, they could have gone with "25 gramm rations _increased_ to 20 gramm". you know, just to show you how powerful Newspeak really is, that you even forget basic Maths

    • @stubbypepperroni2357
      @stubbypepperroni2357 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yarpen26 Newsspeak doesnt effect comprehension of maths, in fact during this time, nobody spoke newspeak day to day. Just governemnt control of the masses

    • @Joseph-Mamma
      @Joseph-Mamma ปีที่แล้ว +1

      you need to see a mental health professional

  • @flashkraft
    @flashkraft 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Today we look inside of Wikipedias editing room and see how all those articles are kept up to date.

  • @flashkraft
    @flashkraft 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    6:33 The guy with the blonde hair looks young to be an inner party member. I wonder how many people he outed as thought criminals in order to further his career.

    • @sc9881
      @sc9881 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      He's not inner party because of his blue outfit. The inner party members wear black uniforms and perform different jobs.

  • @joeturner1597
    @joeturner1597 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I half expected the theme from Brazil.

  • @TrvlngStrngr
    @TrvlngStrngr 7 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Idk Winston's making more money at the end.
    He seems to have that going for him.
    And he can also afford to smoke and drink in the same day which I can't do.
    I guess I shouldn't have graduated college with no loans.

    • @mikesmith8656
      @mikesmith8656 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Traveling-Stranger
      Big Brother approves

    • @BrainSeepsOut
      @BrainSeepsOut 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Smokes and alcohol are rationed too AFAIK.

    • @lunarcultist6214
      @lunarcultist6214 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      The Outer Party is supposedly far more well-off than the proles. Which is still hardly worth having most of your humanity stripped away from you.

    • @centurionzen1005
      @centurionzen1005 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's... one way of looking at it