Then? It was the same in the 80s, 90s and is still the same now. Doesn't even have to be a national or international musician. Women looking for love, validation, self worth, a sense of importance together with having been brought up with few boundaries. He [the person on stage] wants to be with me so it makes ME important, worth something and it's fun, party time. Sadly they just get used, thrown away and forgotten.
Every crush is idolizing someone. It is the fabric of all the vast majority of relationships. Guys idolize girls' beauty, and girls idolize guys' status, fortune or fame.
They were raped. Groomed and raped. Left in the ditches by these filthbag men. Who found their wives and ruin/ED their lives too. The devil/s poked them and they became one flesh with the devil. Thus doing crazy shit like making casts of their dicks. Ho embarrasing
Are you kidding? Superexciting and romantic? Jimmy Page had a 13 year old girl stashed in a hotel room, behind a guard, so he could have her in between concerts. There's a word for that.
You can only help people who want to helped. If these groupies are literally saying that they wanted it and saw no problem in it, what then? The 70s were really something else. Musically speaking, the golden era. Otherwise, disgraceful.
Those photos of 14 year old girls, looking terrible in "grown up" makeup, are just disturbing. If there were boys their age around, that might be another thing, but for these men to look at those children and actually find them desirable...that's why the images are disturbing.
What we are willing to accept culturally matters. In the 1970s men began the backlash if women wanted equal pay their daughters would accept less. This lead to Brooke Shields in the 1980s as a nude 10 year old in a Playboy companion magazine. It required activist to stop this culturally accepted behavior.
You don’t think there were teenage boys at the show? You don’t think these girls preferred screwing literal rockstars over learning geography? Come on lol
Amen. There's a common misconception that the Guess Who's "American Woman" is anti-war (industrial complex) song, but Burton Cummings said in an interview that the lyrics are a statement of his deep discomfort with seeing the often very young groupies he would see in US audiences, hanging around backstage, etc, and how glad he was to be back in Canada, where 14 year olds acted like 14 years olds. He said "something like "when I sang 'American woman, stay away from me,' I really meant 'Canadian woman, I prefer you.'"
She’s doing it for the thrill. Women throwing themselves at these guys and he chooses HER. That’s what they wanted. It was exciting. Most certainly had daddy issues too.
All the people that don’t see anything wrong in adults having intercourse with minors are honestly disturbing individuals. The rethoric that “but she wanted it” is absurd to me. Teenagers are full of hormones, of course they are horny all the time, but it doesn’t mean that adults should take advantage of it. Many of those girls were abused, because they didn’t know any better and that’s no wonder, because we grow and mature biologically way faster than mentally. Adults really should know better.
Of course it’s bad for the children. But you said it yourself: bodied mature faster than minds. You cannot blame people for being attracted to minors when nature is telling them to be. Evolutionarily, we would be reproducing at young ages. I think it doesn’t remove blame from the adults but also puts responsibility on the teenager. Even at that age, you have to understand consequences. It was not difficult for me. But I was raised right. I guarantee these groupies were not. The parents are the most to blame of all.
Yeah, but all you're doing is virtue signaling. You're stating a supposed belief that's shared with the majority in an attempt to look virtuous to everyone. Plus, you're diverting negative attention from the the actual offenders and putting it on the people in the comment sections. By stating or suggesting that someone is disturbing or a pedo themselves for being ok with it, you're guarantying that no one will argue with you. Kind of a cheap way to "win" an argument.
in the early 80s, I dated rock musicians for 10 years and I had the coolest wardrobe you’ve ever seen in my life. I was wearing cat suits with short crop jackets and over the knee suede boots. And the biggest fluffiest curliest most beautiful black long hair you’ve ever seen. God I miss those times. 10 best wasted years of my life.
Dated? Or just put yourself around as a play thing? If it was the latter you can’t deep down look back with happiness unless your self respect is in the toilet.
My dads excuse for having groupies was, it gets lonely on the road. My Mum was at home on her own, lonely,she never took a lover to keep her company. And then when I asked if I could go to a disco,I was 14/15, I was told NO by my dad as "he knew what girls my age get up too" . Not knowing what meant at the time, I thought why would girls my age be even speaking to him?
That reminds me of the irony of the song "don't talk to strangers" by Rick Springfield. He wrote it about fearing his wife would seek other partners and cheat on him, while he was out doing it himself with groupies!
Children and drugged-up young women being exploited by vain, selfish popstars and their hangers on. What could possibly go wrong? You had Jimmy Page literally keeping a 14 year old as his sex slave and he gets a free pass from everyone, which is insane.
The Bands that were disgusted by their groupies NEED TO LOOK IN THE MIRROR. Children have an excuse. These adult men have NO excuse. They are Filthy and the nerve they have to act like they are superior. And to the Media; this was NOT NORMAL BEHAVIOR except in Band and Groupie corners of the World. I've never known anyone who has a groupie
Let’s call it what it is…pedophilia and shame the men who took up with a CHILD!!!! WTF? They needed them young and dumb because adult women wouldn’t put up with their shit. I see these women and recognize the low self esteem and Daddy issues and it’s very sad.
Knew Lori, lived with her Mom and sister for a few weeks at 18. Met Lori when I was in high school. My bf was friends with Lori’s sister’s boyfriend. I use to go to the Rainbow and would run into Lori in the 70’s. She was always nice to me when we saw each other. Introduced me to Zepplin while she was sitting with them at the Rainbow. They all shook my hand as I was introduced to each member. She introduced me to Keith Moon at the Rainbow too. Took me backstage at a Yes concert and invited me to a party for Bad Co in the Hollywood Hills. We never hung out. Worlds apart as far as lifestyles go and she is much younger, but because I was friends with her sister, she was cordial towards me. FYI… Lori is alive, happily married, and has an adult son from another relationship. Groupie days were a long time ago. She moved on and created a life for herself. Why can’t everyone else?
I have pretty much the same history but in the 80s. Jeff Beck was sitting at the table across from me at the Rainbow the night I graduated from high school. Remember when guys had to be 21 to get in but girls only had to be 18? Those were the days…
Groupies were used. God rest her soul but “Sweet Connie” as Grand Funk sang about recently passed as an older person with not much to show for all the time she spent with rockers. Staying away from rockers would have been wiser but people make mistakes.
I don't know life is life. I messed up plenty as a crazy teen as did my wife (now). And we wouldn't change anything we did back in the late seventies and eighties. It was rockin and we did it. I met my wife in 2007.
Groupies wanted to be used. Many were the aggressive ones. They had lists of who they wanted to sleep with. Those were different times. Today America is obsessed with age. You will find many other countries are not. They have different taboos.
Older guys coming onto me started at 13, they creeped me out and I made sure to hang around guys my own age. One time a guy offered me $3000 to sleep with him, he showed me the money stashed in a brown paper bag. This was at work there were other adults egging me on, I was 17 and kept saying no in the end they let me go. There was a lot of this in the 70s I was innocent and pretty, the creeps were everywhere I could see it in their eyes even when they were trying to be nice. I rejected all jnvitations and made sure never to be alone with any of them.
Now guys hook up with young girls on the internet as young as 11. Father's limit your daughter's and son's internet use. They'll hate you for 15 minutes than love you again.
@@calken546nah why dont you just tell your kids the truth about this world once they've reached the age of better understanding instead of sheltering them from everything you don't want them to see because the more you tell someone they can't have something the more they're secretly going to want it. Honesty and sincerity will never backfire if done right and if you dont give your child freedom they will seek it elsewhere without you
It wasn't meant to duplicate history exactly, but the people involved and the atmosphere of the time, the clothes, the behavior, the attitudes....all very accurate.
I’m a man and most of what I learned came from the streets and the school of hard knocks and as a kid I started living in the fast lane with substances,girls,fights all of what Kids dealt with in that era,I don’t recommend that kids learn that way but I always knew that someday I was going to have to stand up and do something so once I was old enough I joined the military and it was the best thing for me
I can tell you that the scenes of Jim Swingos' Celebrity Hotel in Cleveland were accurate, because I was one of the kids in that scene. It was a pretty fair movie. I would have contrived the music better - but that's like doing sports in a movie - difficult to stage.
Pete Townsend had a huge skit about it all back when. My dad worked with him and my dad molested me. My dad still roams free and so does Pete Townsend. Got away with it 😩
@@Lola-AreaCode212i hate woke ppl but u can’t lie these old grown ass dinosaurs were pe0ods, ur telling me u have ur choice of ALL women but only choose 13-17 while ur 29-30? What do u think they did Lola? Share opinions about economic state of the world? No it was grown men doing hard core drugs and having seggs with 14-17 yo girls, I’m sorry if u were groomed as a kid Lola and ik in ur time it was normalized and u grew up thinking that but its not normal get therapy and heal im not even being mean im being genuine it hurts me seeing women ur big age or younger not understanding the severity of this even tho im still a kid myself i lost hope in men so im not shocked when they have this mentality but it sad when it comes from another women
My friend was a groupie in the mid 90’s and got knocked up by a 35 year old musician. She gave the baby up for adoption, never told the guy. She was 16 when the baby was born. Years later the teen daughter wanted to meet her, I was honored to be there!
@@RockDove5212 I asked her why and she said she felt ashamed to be a groupie and intimidated, she was 15 and he was in his late 30's? I don't think she ever told her parents who the dad was either because they'd try to get him in jail. But she did say if the daughter ever wanted to know she'd point her in the right direction.
While everyone idolizes thier favorite male entertainer be it film or music, these individuals are more likely frought with arrested development. It makes sense they would gravitate towards an age group that is on the level with their mentality. Entertainers should not be placed on pedestals in the first place.
In the 90's I was brutally attacked by a famous band member and I wasn't even a groupie. I was a singer and trying to make it in a man's World. We were recording at a mutual "friends" house and he bent down and viciously bit me on the breast, leaving teeth marks. I went home and was in shock over it, because my "friends" could clearly hear me over the mic and didn't save me. I guess because they were trying to be cool in front of this SNAKE (that's a hint for who he was-without me being sued for defamation). I suppose that he might have been insulted that I wasn't aware of who he was. I had always listened to different music than what he played. I have no idea why he attacked me ,but to this day, I wish that I had him arrested. He is on Instagram, pretending to be this great, spiritual guy now, but I know the truth. Sure, people can change, but I saw pure evil in this toothy, big haired 6"4 or so guy.
Pamela Des Barres 1987 memoir “I’m with the Band: Confessions of a Groupie” was a very interesting read, there’s always two sides to every story and women, were definitely a huge part of rock “n” roll. She speaks very highly of Robert Plant and they’ve remained lifelong friends.
@@DavidHaney1 because it is unlikely that 14 year old girls who were out all night had sleepinh with rockstars very good parenting. Besides the gross disrespect and rapeyness of adult men being with young girls. And for every one that was famous, there were hundreds more who were cannon fodder.
@@tallspicyI dated one of the "Groupies" from this group from back then (she passed a few years-ago)--I won't mention her name out of respect for her family, though at one point she wanted me to help her write a book, or at least a memoir/She dated & otherwise hung-out with some of the Biggest-names, & had started cutting-school at 15 to do so/Her sister told me that her mother had found-out & went to the club's & hotels in search of her but had trouble "finding her"/My-girl told me it was her choice, & by design from day-1 to go into this "lifestyle"--& basically had no-regrets, except becoming addicted to alcohol/However, before she died, she admitted she probably would have preferred to have just been a mother herself with a family...
This was opposite of feminism, this was objectifying themselves and the boys having a free for all, that they'd never have had were they regular workers.
Many years ago I saw a documentary about young groupies at Kid Rock concerts. It played late night on MSNBC of all places. It was filmed at the time he was with Pamela Anderson. I was shocked this was on TV. Kid Rock sitting on a sofa, while what looked like 12 to 13 yo girls took turns sitting on his lap topless. The girls body parts were blurred out but it was obvious. These girls didn't look old for their age, in fact,they were almost prepubescent looking.i've googled it to rewatch and I've never been able to find it. Has anyone else seen this?
This is why I hated the movie Almost Famous. Kate Hudson's 'groupie' character was suger-coated. Bands like Funkadelic members talk about how no women were part of the entourage unless they put out. And that was (unfortunately) the way it was with famous musicians/bands/etc in the 1970s
I dated rock stars in the 2000s and 2010s. It’s not all it’s cracked up to be- trust me. And I do now look back, and see why my mother would die inside every time I left and went on tour with someone. Most of the men were at least 10+ years older than me. I didn’t understand the position I was being put it, and I was a HUGE people-pleaser. I just wanted to have fun and people to like me. Not anymore. It gets you hurt so badly.
I'm so very damned glad I never got to the Big Time in music. I loved playing and thought I wanted to be famous but had absolutely NO idea about how badly bands got screwed over back then. The girls would've been an afterthought.
Where were the parents of these underaged girls? most kids that age have to be home at 8PM, not flying on planes with adult men, staying in hotels, why weren't they in school, under 16, you can't just leave school. This was a parenting failure, this isn't feminism or independence. The whole thing is so grubby and sordid. It taints the music, too.
Parents? During this time underage girls being with older men was accepted as a culture. It wasn’t just groupies. Girls have always been treated like commodities for grown men. Hence why most teen moms become pregnant by adult men. This is a societal problem that we are just now bringing honest about.. and feminism has nothing to do with this. Groupies have been around before the 70’s.
I've seen some interviews where the bands talk about these ladies, and it's not very nice. These women gave up their chance to get an education, career or a family of their own and their ex-lovers don't want to acknowledge them at all.
It's called personal responsibility. They chose their path. They were basically gold diggers, searching for "true love"(sarcasm) with a rock band member, hoping to snag a husband and live a glamorous life. They did whatever they had to do to try to get that. Instead, it involved into them basically whoring themselves for free, or whatever freebie they got by sleeping around. Let's face it, most men don't think or speak too highly of women that spread their legs so easily.
It is not wise to idolize people for this reason … you get taken advantage of, and the rockstars are only some guys at the end of the day … that’s why literal children were doing it because they not mature enough to know that unfortunately
my mother was a proud self proclaimed "groupie" that traveled around with motley crue in their earlier years. the stories that woman has continue to blow my mind.
They were merely products to male consumers. And let’s not forget that the age of consent was 18 years old in California during this period. So those “regulars” at the Whiskey were children. A child cannot give consent to an adult. These children were groomed, taken advantage of and disposed of once they fell out of favor with their groomers.
I loved Pamela's first book I'm with the band, her escapades with Keith Moon were hilarious! Mick Jagger would meet up with her when in town. But why Jimmy Page left her for a 14 yr old Lori was just stupid. Pam was gorgeous and had it all over those pre teen groupies that started hanging around the clubs and screwing anyone and anything. Even Robert Plant said Pam and the GTO's were fun to hang out with, inspired many songs and the groupies that came after them were too young dumb and couldn't hold a conversation cause how immature they were.
Lori had the allure of forbidden fruit. Nothing so exciting as banging a kid who cant get in to see a R rated movie or buy beer (most states back then were age 18). Having to push dollars under their pillows when their baby teeth fall out and act like the tooth fairy had made a visit. Priceless.
I was a groupie the following decade and in the 90s. I have no regrets about it. Its something i wanted to do. I wasn't a baby groupie. I was 19 when I had my first encounter with a musician. Metal musicians were my choice of musicians. I didn't do drugs or even drink alcohol. I didn't hook up with anyone other than the band members. Except one roadie who was a former Chippendales dancer and one who I met not at a concert. I also never despite several conversations and offers, wrote about my exploits or named names. It did make you feel special when this guy who could have his choice of any woman, chose you. It made you feel even more special when they called you when they were in town, or sent for you to join them. I routinely spent time on the road when I wasn't in college. As far as the wives or girlfriends, I think you have to know that comes along with being with one of these guys. Because there are some deeply devoted musicians out there. Thats why I never aspired to be the wife or girlfriend of one. Today I live a normal life with a good husband who is an engineer, not a musician. We spend our time enjoying our Jeep adventures. I have plenty of wonderful memories from my time as a groupie though.
Sounds like you were an exception not the rule. Most of these now women admitted to copious amounts of drug abuse at very young ages and it messed them up for a long time.
The one thing I will say is a pretty young girl with a nice body has power in a way they don’t realize until they venture into territory such as groupiedom. I was a prude, never participated in such behavior but I sure as hell got called (I had a car) by a couple school friends who found themselves used and abruptly discarded by these “artists”. They felt validated, special and bragged about conquests they themselves made-most determinedly. It extended to any kind of celebrity including motocross riders. I thought they were nuts. Well, to each their own I guess. I will say that my story had to do with running into a dude and his buddies one night when I was 16. Apparently they found it hilarious that when I was asked do you know who this is” I said NO. Greatest guitar player ever they said. Jeff Beck. My reply was “who”? That was 1976 and it WAS Jeff Beck, on tour for “Wired” album. I was clueless. I would have never been a good groupie….. I have run into random rockers in weird places….like ACE hardware in Atlanta where I met Kerry Livgren from Kansas. I was picking up 20 bags of mulch and he helped a guy from the store get them into the back of my SUV. I asked my husband if he ever heard of Livgren (husband plays guitar) when I got home. His comment “are you really clueless’? Apparently so.
Happens in every industry. I was in skateboarding back in the day and "pro-hoes" where everywhere. If you were sponsored it was game on. I was young, sponsored, good looking.....and broken hearted over a girl so I didn't touch anyone for years in those days. Looking back, that's probably a good thing haha.
Hard to reconcile present-day Robert Plant's amiable, reflective persona and stately roots-ish musical work with what we know Led Zeppelin were doing offstage in the seventies.
@@ammasdtr19 Ah! Thanks a. Pleased to learn that I can like the guy completely. I had a quick look at PdB's memoir once, but as a lifelong stiff I found what I read too clueless and abject to continue. All best - and thanks again.
@@ammasdtr19could you elaborate on how Plant was different from Page in that book? What about underage stuff? And what about Bonham, did he do anything?
I know its difficult to accept but girls 100 years ago were getting married at 13 and having children. Thankfully the laws have changed to protect them but when many girls hit puberty they have a strong need for independence and acceptance, which is kind of ironic when you think about it. By the 60s and 70s things had changed slightly but i knew so many teenage girls that were looking to be sexually active by the time they were 13-14, this was in the 80s, and the groupie scene was definitely out of control during this decade as well. Not all girls rebel like this but so many do, myself included. Parents need to try to think like teenagers if they want their teenagers to understand reality like adults, especially if the goal is to keep them safe. So many comments here are saying how unlawful this is but those opinions aren't going to put a stop to it.
I was involved with 70s political reform movements as a musician, and got to meet a lot of celebrities who believed in the same ideologies; but I was far too shy to put the make on anyone even if they were flirty with me. So no, I was never a groupie even though I had plenty of opportunities.
Have to Agree with some people here saying the groupies knew what they were doing & loved it--I dated one from back then years later & that's exactly how she felt & she knew some of the biggest rock stars (@ 15) and groupie girls in this video.
Oh please. CHILDREN knew what they were doing? :D They went in for the male attention and feeling chosen one bc they lacked that due to family background probably.
Why the hell does Pamela Des Barres think she knows the mind of every groupie?? Almost Famous was Cameron Crowe's memoir of his own life. He didn't just invent it. Ofcourse much was changed- bands and names but he captured his side of the backstage music industry. He said the Penny Lane character was an amalgamation of several girls. There was a main girl though, and he said they were still friends and she did try to end her life because she fell for a married rockstar. He got her permisson to write the character that way. Des Barres has made a living off writing about the groupie scene. She makes much of it as being glamorous!! Just because she was one, does not make her an expert on all groupies feelings!
The grossest part is that no adults stepped in or tried to protect them. Teenagers will try to do anything to be cool,independent, and well liked. This was a den of snakes. They were passed around like party favors. And thrown away. I get it if you're 18, but still. It's really heartbreaking. Especially sense most of the musicians had wives and children of their own. Follow the music not the band. Hollywood is nasty for grooming underage girls. It was acceptable back then, and the girls thought wow I am important." There was no love in it only lust. I dont care if Pamela De Barnes wrote a book about it .She Glamorizes something that was horrifying and damaging It's not okay. I grew up close to Hollywood. I am grateful my parents were protective
all the parents i knew of this time were not close to their kids and not protective and just didnt question us enough. we went out and did what we wanted mostly. different times lucky for some of us who survived the times .. some didnt. sad in some ways but life is what it is throughout time . now men stalk underage on the net and its a much scarier amount of people on the net .. much scarier times then we lived in 70s
Some people will always be judgemental and unfairly judge based on today's standards. Things were different half a century ago and it's rather arrogant to dismiss the opinions of the women themselves when they say they were happy with how things were.
Things are different because society evolves and realizes the error of their ways. I can understand looking at the past and not judging people as harshly but it’s still wrong, they didn’t have the correct knowledge to be aware of it.
Groupies, yeah. Here's an interesting one. I was a Recording Studio, Owner & Engineer. When I then went to work for NBC-Radio in Washington DC. And I ended up crossing paths. With Frank Zappa. On 6 occasions. And he always had, a couple, three or four girls. Gorgeous women with him. Each and every time. And even when I was, putting microphones on him. I would tell him how much I loved, his music. I had his albums. He never even looked at me. Never even said thank you. It was like I was never there. And I wondered what the hell was going on? But he was only entertaining the groupies. And had nothing to say to me. Not even a thank you. I found him beyond, Droll. But I also agree with all of his opinions. But he's an ass hole. He was a crazy musical genius yet, ass hole. Why do they always have to be, ass holes? And the, groupie girls and the groupie boys. They are always a presence. And here's another funny one. Back when I was still 22. I got hired on. As a Maintenance Engineer. At a big hit recording studio complex in New York City. In the former, W. 57th St., Baptist Church. Now Media Recording Studios. And home of Bob Clearmountain and Tony Bon Jovi, Michael DeLugg. And the place has 4 Studios and 4 control rooms. And they are cranking out hits 24/7. I tweak up the control rooms. Before incoming recording sessions. And as I exit out of one control room. I see this guy at the end of the hallway. Oh, oh??? It looks like, some Street vagrant. Made it in the front door. Before it fully closed and latched behind somebody. And I don't want this person going into a studio. And filling their pockets up with microphones. As I'm brand-new here. And I need to look out for the owners. So I swaggered down the hallway to this guy. He's got, bluejeans with rips and tears stains and holes in them. His sneakers look like they are 10 years old, yuck. And a white T-shirt. With rips and holes and stains. And he's got these really thick glasses on. Like you'd see in a comedy movie. With Jerry Lewis as the nutty Prof. I come up to this guy with his hair all, skeezy and I say… EXCUSE ME SIR CAN I HELP YOU? To which he answered. Oh? I'm in, A. With Michael (Michael DeLugg). I said,, oh? I'm one of the new Maintenance Engineers here. My name is Remy. And I put out my hand to shake his. He shakes my hand. And tells me his name is Barry. Barry Manilow. BARRY MANILOW! This did not look like Barry Manilow. I had his albums. And I felt the blood rush for my brain. And I nearly passed out. It's Barry Manilow. Street vagrant. Oh how funny. I had only been there about a week. I thought that was very funny. It's the only way. They don't get inundated on the street by their fans. They are incognito. Deeply, incognito. Though? Robert Faulk, wasn't one day. I'm just walking down the streets of New York City. And I find, Robert Faulk. Standing on a busy street corner in New York City. Holding his chin with his right thumb and forefinger. And looking very confused. At the traffic and city in front of him. Somewhere around 47th St. W., as I recall? And I stood there and looked at him. On the left side of him. When I then realized. He can't see me. I'm on his Blind Side. I thought that was also very funny. The walk sign came on. And I crossed the street. Leaving him standing there looking confused. So I don't know what was going on? I don't think I ended up in a movie? You never know? They take the shot of the back of my head, walking away? I don't know? I was in New York City! LOL. I suppose a lot of people end up as Extras from the back of their heads? Because nobody has signed a release form. Or they smudge out your face and with me that would be good. You see lots of celebrities. Walking on the streets of New York City. It was a regular thing. RemyRAD
Ahh, the hypocrisy. For one group, sex with minors was cool and they looked the other way. For the majority, a dalliance in this behavior is a one way ticket to jail and a record that haunts you for the rest of your life. What a world we live in.
Out on the road for forty days Last night in Little Rock put me in a haze Sweet, sweet Connie, doin' her act She had the whole show and that's a natural fact. "Sweet" Connie Hamzy Parente
My first experience was with a groupie - and it was great! I was touring with a band as their sound and lighting man at the time. It was also my first brush with a STD which spoiled it. I wish the second part had never happened; I might still be with her.
@@sabrinatiffany45 It was crabs. Not painful and disappeared after a few days and some good washing. But it made me feel unclean and put me off big time.
@@sabrinatiffany45 Case of the crabs. Not painful, itchy but cleaning got rid of it after several days. More embarrasing than anything. Very upsetting.
SOCIETY WAS DIFFERENT 60 YEARS AGO. THESE LADIES ARE ALL IN THEIR 70S NOW. Can we stop judging the 70s with 21st century woke politics? This could never happen today! Anita Pallenberg was not a groupie she was Keith Richard's girlfriend and muse.
It was as wrong then as it is now. Their behavior influenced how society thought of SA. The groupie scene made it ok for adult men to prey on girls that wanted nothing but to go to school and be home with their parents. The groupie scene was used as a shield. They were worse than hollywood because actores and pop artists in their teens were few and in between and out of the scope of perceived reality. But if you saw a 14 yr old acting like a stripper and engaging with adult men, and people applauding her for it, you would question if SA was something you attracted or should even be ok with, because, after all, the super cool girls were being SA'd and proud of it. So no, this was not normal. What these women owe to society is letting it know it was not okay and they should have been stopped from hurting themselves. Their recklessness is unacceptable.
What many band personnel seemed to forget that if it was you Friday it was another member of another band on Saturday, and I suppose back in the 60’s and 70’s age was never mentioned. I know for a fact some girls actually offered themselves for sex.
4:30 Behind Frank is Roy Estrada (bass player in the original Mothers) who is serving time in prison for having sex with a female relative who was a minor.
Well spotted. At eighty he's serving twenty-five years without parole - he was a persistent offender. I love Zappa's music but I hope to God that none of his groupie-chasing was coercive or otherwise criminal We'll never know, but I do hope that stuff was lower than he'd go.
Never did drugs with them.. Never gave a lay... Had the best back stage experiences...yes way back then..met over 10 rock bands !. Karen and I lived and loved it..for us innocent fun at 14-15 Never felt danger..ever.
I find it ridiculous that people are constantly acting like groupies are these victims, please. These women actively sought out these men, what the hell did you think was gonna happen? Additionally most do not regret or feel ashamed of it, why should they? It seems like people are making a huge deal out of nothing for the of age groupies, but i do agree rockstars should have acted with more caution regarding underage ones.
jamesm6083.You nailed it Dude.I was around in that Era, but I was never a musician,let alone a Rockstar. I would have never messed with underage Girls.But You're right,grown Women threw themselves at Rockstar and moviestars.
I don’t care if a 14 year old girl begs a grown man, wrong is wrong. There’s a difference between an adult making a decision compared to a child, that’s why children have guardians.
@@SJ-ni6iy I agree with you, kids are kids but where were the guardians? Jimmy Page's minor girlfriend's mother allowed the relationship. She signed paperwork for it. Some of the groupies were young however the ones who made money off their experiences knew exactly what they were doing.
WELL...I find it ridiculous that the power structures are constantly set up this way. Did you know that the early days of HOLLYWOOD was the entire layout for this? Did you know that actors and actresses were just literally slaves laid out on the buffet for the powerful rich back in the day? This horrible power structure has been going on since Rome.THE ROCK STARS did not figure this out. it is a CONSTRUCT.
I have often thought that I would be able to thrive in the groupie culture/lifestyle. I would not enjoy talented artists cheating on their girlfriends and wives though. 😢
It's always going to be a mix of experiences and situations whenever humans are involved. I know a lot of people today that lost their virginity and got pregnant by much older guys who were nobodys. Ask around you might be surprised. It wasn't just the rock scene. Two of my friends got pregnant in high school. It still happens today although I think it's less common. Hormones are a powerful thing.
The statute of limitations does not run out on sexual abuse of minors in most states. Regular people would be arrested today for admitting to these things in the 1970's. Not rich people.
That's not true the only crime that has no Statute of Limitations is Murder. For most other criminal offences, the statute of limitations is set by Section 78(3) of the Criminal Code (Strafgesetzbuch) as follows: 30 years for offences which are punishable by a maximum term of imprisonment for life; 20 years for offences which are punishable by a maximum term of imprisonment of over 10 years but not by imprisonment for life; 10 years for offences which are punishable by a maximum term of imprisonment of over 5 years but no more than 10 years; 5 years for offences which are punishable by a maximum term of imprisonment of over 1 year but no more than 5 years; 3 years for all other offences.
I’m currently 23 and when I was a teenager I thought the groupie lifestyle was so cool and beautiful but now that I’m older and watching this and I’m quite disgusted 😂 I love rock and roll and the music from back then but cmon these were little girls seeking sexual activity and validation. Pamela sounds so stupid talking about popping a birth control and saying it was “feminism”. I can’t believe I thought this was cool at one point. Enjoying the music and trying to get somewhere with the band are two complete different things. At the same time I blame the musicians for thinking it was ok taking advantage of minors. It’s so creepy.
STD stood for Subscriber Trunk Dialing in Australia. Like a trunk call between capital cities. Yeah I know. Just being silly. I also like ATM. Can mean so many things.
I'm not sure that Ozzy has the best recollection of everything that happened in the 70s (or any decade since) but his recollection of groupies isn't terribly flattering.
Gosh. It's just a thing from the past, what's with people getting outraged and judging everything with the present day values?! Yes it was illegal back then too but nobody's gonna go around prosecuting people because it was all consensual and private. These women haven't regretted it. I feel like there's also a lot of slutshaming mixed in here. We only live once, why are you judging other people's choices so harshly?
i dont regret a moment of my life style back then in hollywood. it was different times / it will never happen again. in time. due to the internet.. that is way more dangerous than the lives we lived in the 70s at clubs with bands
Groupie life wasn't appealing to people focused on what would be best for themselves. Sex, drugs, and rock n roll led to STD's, Addiction, and Headaches.
I think it's important to separate potential trauma and illegal/inappropriate acts. Just because something illegal, immoral, doesn't mean the person experienced trauma. I think it's wrong for us to try and force trauma onto someone.
Were you aware that this is how things were back then?
Then? It was the same in the 80s, 90s and is still the same now. Doesn't even have to be a national or international musician. Women looking for love, validation, self worth, a sense of importance together with having been brought up with few boundaries. He [the person on stage] wants to be with me so it makes ME important, worth something and it's fun, party time. Sadly they just get used, thrown away and forgotten.
Then? What’s changed?
There’s nothing “exciting” or “glamorous” about groupie-dom. 😢
@@markgeorge5536: Exactly.
@@hereforit2347 it is if that's what floats your boat!
Its best to never idolize anyone. Just appreciate their work.
Exactly!!Nobody deserves to be Idolized. I felt sick, when i saw dudes bowing down to sports players,something is terribly wrong.
@@trailblazer1047 stupid people will always do stupid things, ,there is no cure against stupid unfortunately
Every crush is idolizing someone. It is the fabric of all the vast majority of relationships. Guys idolize girls' beauty, and girls idolize guys' status, fortune or fame.
Who wouldnt wanna be in the inner circle of a famous rock band on tour?
Those were the times of Free Love!!
It's amazing what people will tell themselves in terms of lies to protect their child selves.
But may be they had to, because if they faced the truth it may be way too much.
What are you talking about? What lies?
😂
They were raped.
Groomed and raped.
Left in the ditches by these filthbag men.
Who found their wives and ruin/ED their lives too.
The devil/s poked them and they became one flesh with the devil. Thus doing crazy shit like making casts of their dicks.
Ho embarrasing
how do they protect something they no longer are? what? oh i see.. you just on some wok3 flex is it?
A lot of rock stars should have been arrested for sleeping with minors. The laws were the same in the 70's.
31 states in this country have the age of consent at 16.
@@dawnywarthog6642: Some of these girls were 14 and 15. 😐
@@hereforit2347 I'm aware. However the age of consent at 16 by law is disturbing, no?
@@dawnywarthog6642: YES!! 😣
@dawnywarthog6642 it's 16 if you are within a few years like 17/18. Not old like these rock stars.
Are you kidding? Superexciting and romantic? Jimmy Page had a 13 year old girl stashed in a hotel room, behind a guard, so he could have her in between concerts. There's a word for that.
Exactly!! Statutory Rape
Steven Tyler was doing the same thing and he forced her to get an abortion. Evil.
@@Jay-n262 How anyone can admire these people is truly beyond me.
You can only help people who want to helped. If these groupies are literally saying that they wanted it and saw no problem in it, what then? The 70s were really something else. Musically speaking, the golden era. Otherwise, disgraceful.
rape?
Those photos of 14 year old girls, looking terrible in "grown up" makeup, are just disturbing. If there were boys their age around, that might be another thing, but for these men to look at those children and actually find them desirable...that's why the images are disturbing.
What we are willing to accept culturally matters. In the 1970s men began the backlash if women wanted equal pay their daughters would accept less. This lead to Brooke Shields in the 1980s as a nude 10 year old in a Playboy companion magazine. It required activist to stop this culturally accepted behavior.
In some circles they start them even sooner.
You don’t think there were teenage boys at the show? You don’t think these girls preferred screwing literal rockstars over learning geography? Come on lol
“They shall be taken by a melody”
Amen. There's a common misconception that the Guess Who's "American Woman" is anti-war (industrial complex) song, but Burton Cummings said in an interview that the lyrics are a statement of his deep discomfort with seeing the often very young groupies he would see in US audiences, hanging around backstage, etc, and how glad he was to be back in Canada, where 14 year olds acted like 14 years olds. He said "something like "when I sang 'American woman, stay away from me,' I really meant 'Canadian woman, I prefer you.'"
If a girl has to spend hours alone in a hotel room waiting for a guy while he's performing for a concert, she's not "doing it for the music."
Yeah, it's called being groomed. We have words for this type of behavior.
Tell that to her as she's being tossed into the street again
She’s doing it for the thrill. Women throwing themselves at these guys and he chooses HER. That’s what they wanted. It was exciting. Most certainly had daddy issues too.
She should be at the side of the stage
All the people that don’t see anything wrong in adults having intercourse with minors are honestly disturbing individuals. The rethoric that “but she wanted it” is absurd to me. Teenagers are full of hormones, of course they are horny all the time, but it doesn’t mean that adults should take advantage of it. Many of those girls were abused, because they didn’t know any better and that’s no wonder, because we grow and mature biologically way faster than mentally. Adults really should know better.
Ha!! Rock star adults should know better. dying
Of course it’s bad for the children. But you said it yourself: bodied mature faster than minds. You cannot blame people for being attracted to minors when nature is telling them to be. Evolutionarily, we would be reproducing at young ages. I think it doesn’t remove blame from the adults but also puts responsibility on the teenager. Even at that age, you have to understand consequences. It was not difficult for me. But I was raised right. I guarantee these groupies were not. The parents are the most to blame of all.
Yeah, but all you're doing is virtue signaling. You're stating a supposed belief that's shared with the majority in an attempt to look virtuous to everyone. Plus, you're diverting negative attention from the the actual offenders and putting it on the people in the comment sections. By stating or suggesting that someone is disturbing or a pedo themselves for being ok with it, you're guarantying that no one will argue with you. Kind of a cheap way to "win" an argument.
@@docd2295sick. You’re sick
in the early 80s, I dated rock musicians for 10 years and I had the coolest wardrobe you’ve ever seen in my life. I was wearing cat suits with short crop jackets and over the knee suede boots. And the biggest fluffiest curliest most beautiful black long hair you’ve ever seen. God I miss those times. 10 best wasted years of my life.
Dated? Or just put yourself around as a play thing? If it was the latter you can’t deep down look back with happiness unless your self respect is in the toilet.
How sad
You gotta upload some fashion pictures in a videos for us
i cant tell if you think fondly of those times or if you regret it 😅
Ok humblebrag 🤨
My dads excuse for having groupies was, it gets lonely on the road. My Mum was at home on her own, lonely,she never took a lover to keep her company.
And then when I asked if I could go to a disco,I was 14/15, I was told NO by my dad as "he knew what girls my age get up too" . Not knowing what meant at the time, I thought why would girls my age be even speaking to him?
Wow, your dad sure sounds like a huge hypocrite. Men usually project their own vices unto women 🙄
Sure! But some other father's daughters were fair game for Daddy-o, right? Dad was a shit.
Sorry you had to know about that. If people are going to cheat; at least they shouldn't let their kids know. 🤔
That reminds me of the irony of the song "don't talk to strangers" by Rick Springfield. He wrote it about fearing his wife would seek other partners and cheat on him, while he was out doing it himself with groupies!
I'm not judging, just wondering: If it was "never about sex but always about the music," why was there sex 99% of the time?
Well there was always music playing in the background...so of course.
Cuz it feels good try it sometime
@@stephensimon5013 Really? Guess I'll have to ask my son 🙂
yeah music my ass...thats just a cover story.........they were sluts
Revolution of hippies , Pot and free will sounded nice, but was it? For a moment, now look everyone is a stoner?
I am so grateful that I had strict parents who cared about me.
I am though it made me rebel to a degree, I still feared the wrath🤣👍
My mom was cool. My dad was strict.
Same
I'm not
99.99% do
Children and drugged-up young women being exploited by vain, selfish popstars and their hangers on. What could possibly go wrong? You had Jimmy Page literally keeping a 14 year old as his sex slave and he gets a free pass from everyone, which is insane.
Isn't he alive? Are they waiting for him to die first or what?
I think she was 13.
The phrase 'Sex and drugs and rock and roll' is amazingly accurate.
This is rape! If a person is under age,then they are under the age of consent,thus it is rape!
@@quercus8833many children
Statutory rape, drugs, and rock and roll. So cool.
The Bands that were disgusted by their groupies NEED TO LOOK IN THE MIRROR. Children have an excuse. These adult men have NO excuse. They are Filthy and the nerve they have to act like they are superior. And to the Media; this was NOT NORMAL BEHAVIOR except in Band and Groupie corners of the World. I've never known anyone who has a groupie
True.....
These adult men were hedonistic children themselves. You think they were evolved or something? 🤣
The UK was a breeding ground for this kind of behavior.
Let’s call it what it is…pedophilia and shame the men who took up with a CHILD!!!! WTF? They needed them young and dumb because adult women wouldn’t put up with their shit. I see these women and recognize the low self esteem and Daddy issues and it’s very sad.
Knew Lori, lived with her Mom and sister for a few weeks at 18. Met Lori when I was in high school. My bf was friends with Lori’s sister’s boyfriend. I use to go to the Rainbow and would run into Lori in the 70’s. She was always nice to me when we saw each other. Introduced me to Zepplin while she was sitting with them at the Rainbow. They all shook my hand as I was introduced to each member. She introduced me to Keith Moon at the Rainbow too. Took me backstage at a Yes concert and invited me to a party for Bad Co in the Hollywood Hills. We never hung out. Worlds apart as far as lifestyles go and she is much younger, but because I was friends with her sister, she was cordial towards me.
FYI… Lori is alive, happily married, and has an adult son from another relationship. Groupie days were a long time ago. She moved on and created a life for herself. Why can’t everyone else?
Are you one of Lori's herpes scars? Or one of the many crabs still nesting in her crotch ?
You really lack self awareness.
I have pretty much the same history but in the 80s. Jeff Beck was sitting at the table across from me at the Rainbow the night I graduated from high school. Remember when guys had to be 21 to get in but girls only had to be 18? Those were the days…
"backstage at a Yes concert" sigh-my favourite band!
What did Lori say about Robert Plant
Groupies were used. God rest her soul but “Sweet Connie” as Grand Funk sang about recently passed as an older person with not much to show for all the time she spent with rockers. Staying away from rockers would have been wiser but people make mistakes.
I don't know life is life. I messed up plenty as a crazy teen as did my wife (now). And we wouldn't change anything we did back in the late seventies and eighties. It was rockin and we did it. I met my wife in 2007.
Groupies wanted to be used. Many were the aggressive ones. They had lists of who they wanted to sleep with. Those were different times. Today America is obsessed with age. You will find many other countries are not. They have different taboos.
@@William1866 Hooking up with a performing musician was a real trophy for them, and they seemed to love competing with other girls to get one.
Those were her choices, she didn't seem to regret it.
I was attending concerts in Little Rock when Connie was active . She stayed busy. She became a teacher but that’s about all I know.
Older guys coming onto me started at 13, they creeped me out and I made sure to hang around guys my own age. One time a guy offered me $3000 to sleep with him, he showed me the money stashed in a brown paper bag. This was at work there were other adults egging me on, I was 17 and kept saying no in the end they let me go. There was a lot of this in the 70s I was innocent and pretty, the creeps were everywhere I could see it in their eyes even when they were trying to be nice. I rejected all jnvitations and made sure never to be alone with any of them.
Jesus. Glad you got through that without being assaulted or abused. Hopefully.
Now guys hook up with young girls on the internet as young as 11. Father's limit your daughter's and son's internet use. They'll hate you for 15 minutes than love you again.
@@calken546nah why dont you just tell your kids the truth about this world once they've reached the age of better understanding instead of sheltering them from everything you don't want them to see because the more you tell someone they can't have something the more they're secretly going to want it. Honesty and sincerity will never backfire if done right and if you dont give your child freedom they will seek it elsewhere without you
@@thisismyaltaccount85I absolutely believe that happened. Were you alive back then?
Almost Famous was still a great movie with an awesome cast. Maybe not completely accurate, but it is still just a movie after all.
It wasn't meant to duplicate history exactly, but the people involved and the atmosphere of the time, the clothes, the behavior, the attitudes....all very accurate.
I’m a man and most of what I learned came from the streets and the school of hard knocks and as a kid I started living in the fast lane with substances,girls,fights all of what
Kids dealt with in that era,I don’t recommend that kids learn that way but I always knew that someday I was going to have to stand up and do something so once I was old enough I joined the military and it was the best thing for me
I can tell you that the scenes of Jim Swingos' Celebrity Hotel in Cleveland were accurate, because I was one of the kids in that scene. It was a pretty fair movie. I would have contrived the music better - but that's like doing sports in a movie - difficult to stage.
Its one if my favourite films i love that whole era and its done really well and like you say its just a film
Cameron Crowe lived many of those experiences with the Allman Bros Band but had to change the names to protect the not very innocent
Some of our favourite musicians were P D O files.
😂
These days everyone's a pe do to the ŰBER-woke.
Nothing wrong with being woke at all, but too many people take it too friggin far.
@@Lola-AreaCode212When an adult dates a 14 year old, you don't consider that pedophilia?
Pete Townsend had a huge skit about it all back when.
My dad worked with him and my dad molested me.
My dad still roams free and so does Pete Townsend.
Got away with it 😩
@@Lola-AreaCode212i hate woke ppl but u can’t lie these old grown ass dinosaurs were pe0ods, ur telling me u have ur choice of ALL women but only choose 13-17 while ur 29-30? What do u think they did Lola? Share opinions about economic state of the world? No it was grown men doing hard core drugs and having seggs with 14-17 yo girls, I’m sorry if u were groomed as a kid Lola and ik in ur time it was normalized and u grew up thinking that but its not normal get therapy and heal im not even being mean im being genuine it hurts me seeing women ur big age or younger not understanding the severity of this even tho im still a kid myself i lost hope in men so im not shocked when they have this mentality but it sad when it comes from another women
@@Lola-AreaCode212 they are pedos idiot
My friend was a groupie in the mid 90’s and got knocked up by a 35 year old musician. She gave the baby up for adoption, never told the guy. She was 16 when the baby was born. Years later the teen daughter wanted to meet her, I was honored to be there!
Good for her for choosing life for her baby!
You mean she was a hoe.
Did the guy ever find out?
She never told the man. That's terrible. Men have the right to know they have a child ffs
@@RockDove5212 I asked her why and she said she felt ashamed to be a groupie and intimidated, she was 15 and he was in his late 30's? I don't think she ever told her parents who the dad was either because they'd try to get him in jail. But she did say if the daughter ever wanted to know she'd point her in the right direction.
While everyone idolizes thier favorite male entertainer be it film or music, these individuals are more likely frought with arrested development. It makes sense they would gravitate towards an age group that is on the level with their mentality.
Entertainers should not be placed on pedestals in the first place.
Brilliantly said.
Amen to that.
That awkward moment when you see a picture of your mom in a TH-cam video!…. 😂
Who is now a grand ma at the age of 70!!!!!!
timestamp?
really??
Wow 😂😂
Diabolical
In the 90's I was brutally attacked by a famous band member and I wasn't even a groupie. I was a singer and trying to make it in a man's World. We were recording at a mutual "friends" house and he bent down and viciously bit me on the breast, leaving teeth marks. I went home and was in shock over it, because my "friends" could clearly hear me over the mic and didn't save me. I guess because they were trying to be cool in front of this SNAKE (that's a hint for who he was-without me being sued for defamation). I suppose that he might have been insulted that I wasn't aware of who he was. I had always listened to different music than what he played. I have no idea why he attacked me ,but to this day, I wish that I had him arrested. He is on Instagram, pretending to be this great, spiritual guy now, but I know the truth. Sure, people can change, but I saw pure evil in this toothy, big haired 6"4 or so guy.
😢
Who is it?
Not that idiot David Coverdale I hope?! ... He's white & a snake ...
Whitesnake, perhaps?🤔
@@l.l.storrie3851Adrian, fits the description 😖
Level headed and well done documentary. I also like the fact that you provide contact info at the end of your vids for people that need some help.
No one thinks it‘s romantic 🥴
zero romance anywhere here
Pamela Des Barres 1987 memoir “I’m with the Band: Confessions of a Groupie” was a very interesting read, there’s always two sides to every story and women, were definitely a huge part of rock “n” roll. She speaks very highly of Robert Plant and they’ve remained lifelong friends.
What did she say about Robert Plant?
@@ryaneijkholt4220 It’s been too long ago since I read it to properly quote her, read it and see it’s very eye opening. Wink wink.
@@ryaneijkholt4220 I guess you’ll have to read the book and find out. It was years ago when I read it and don’t want to misquote Pamela, here.
@@KittyGrizGriz but it was very positive? Did she describe him as different than other rockstars?
@@ryaneijkholt4220 Read It.
This is so sad. Where were their parents? Not sure how this is feminism if the men did not respect them.
Why is it sad ?
@@DavidHaney1 because it is unlikely that 14 year old girls who were out all night had sleepinh with rockstars very good parenting. Besides the gross disrespect and rapeyness of adult men being with young girls. And for every one that was famous, there were hundreds more who were cannon fodder.
@@tallspicyI dated one of the "Groupies" from this group from back then (she passed a few years-ago)--I won't mention her name out of respect for her family, though at one point she wanted me to help her write a book, or at least a memoir/She dated & otherwise hung-out with some of the Biggest-names, & had started cutting-school at 15 to do so/Her sister told me that her mother had found-out & went to the club's & hotels in search of her but had trouble "finding her"/My-girl told me it was her choice, & by design from day-1 to go into this "lifestyle"--& basically had no-regrets, except becoming addicted to alcohol/However, before she died, she admitted she probably would have preferred to have just been a mother herself with a family...
@@gregsayles9253 how old were you? Do you think this was a good thing? As adult dating a child? What was that like?
This was opposite of feminism, this was objectifying themselves and the boys having a free for all, that they'd never have had were they regular workers.
When I was working as a concert rigger in the early 2000s.. Some American rock bands (like Korn) were still doing this.. with youngsters.
Youngsters like 20 or youngsters like 13?
@@oBabybbyuuuu like, 13
Wow, and Jonathan Davis makes such a big deal about his abuse... guess it's OK if he does it...
@@d00dl3s.d1d0pe who is Jonathan Davis?
Many years ago I saw a documentary about young groupies at Kid Rock concerts. It played late night on MSNBC of all places. It was filmed at the time he was with Pamela Anderson. I was shocked this was on TV. Kid Rock sitting on a sofa, while what looked like 12 to 13 yo girls took turns sitting on his lap topless. The girls body parts were blurred out but it was obvious. These girls didn't look old for their age, in fact,they were almost prepubescent looking.i've googled it to rewatch and I've never been able to find it. Has anyone else seen this?
this is the BEST story you've done on your page❤ thank you..... wil be saving this video 😁
I recall touring years ago and we had a saying; "Wow, you're really pretty...do you have a washing machine?"
you were not touring in the jet i guess
@@ammasdtr19 No, I was fixing the truck.
Adults having sex with minors just discusting I don't care what year it was it's criminal acts.
In the 1970s women experienced a backlash. When they begin demanding equal pay men responded by showing their girls would be sexualized instead.
😭
This is why I hated the movie Almost Famous. Kate Hudson's 'groupie' character was suger-coated. Bands like Funkadelic members talk about how no women were part of the entourage unless they put out. And that was (unfortunately) the way it was with famous musicians/bands/etc in the 1970s
Kate Hudson is too cute to be a groupie, just like her Mom. I liked the movie, though.
I dated rock stars in the 2000s and 2010s. It’s not all it’s cracked up to be- trust me. And I do now look back, and see why my mother would die inside every time I left and went on tour with someone. Most of the men were at least 10+ years older than me. I didn’t understand the position I was being put it, and I was a HUGE people-pleaser. I just wanted to have fun and people to like me. Not anymore. It gets you hurt so badly.
I'm so very damned glad I never got to the Big Time in music. I loved playing and thought I wanted to be famous but had absolutely NO idea about how badly bands got screwed over back then. The girls would've been an afterthought.
Where were the parents of these underaged girls? most kids that age have to be home at 8PM, not flying on planes with adult men, staying in hotels, why weren't they in school, under 16, you can't just leave school. This was a parenting failure, this isn't feminism or independence. The whole thing is so grubby and sordid. It taints the music, too.
Rock and roll (and feminism) was/is all about destroying marriage and family.
Because everyone had the exact same life as you growing up
Out getting laid.
Parents? During this time underage girls being with older men was accepted as a culture. It wasn’t just groupies. Girls have always been treated like commodities for grown men. Hence why most teen moms become pregnant by adult men. This is a societal problem that we are just now bringing honest about.. and feminism has nothing to do with this. Groupies have been around before the 70’s.
I'm guessing a lot of'em were runaways
Well done on placing the notice at the end.
I've seen some interviews where the bands talk about these ladies, and it's not very nice. These women gave up their chance to get an education, career or a family of their own and their ex-lovers don't want to acknowledge them at all.
It's called personal responsibility. They chose their path. They were basically gold diggers, searching for "true love"(sarcasm) with a rock band member, hoping to snag a husband and live a glamorous life. They did whatever they had to do to try to get that. Instead, it involved into them basically whoring themselves for free, or whatever freebie they got by sleeping around. Let's face it, most men don't think or speak too highly of women that spread their legs so easily.
She was 14 years old.. still a child.. where were her parents? That’s “Child Abuse”.. If charged.. you could go to jail for years
It is not wise to idolize people for this reason … you get taken advantage of, and the rockstars are only some guys at the end of the day … that’s why literal children were doing it because they not mature enough to know that unfortunately
Those girls wanted to marry a rock star. In their minds it was an easy ticket to living a life of luxury.
And how many of them actually married their rock stars? @@frankenfurter58
All I can think about is all the VD that must have been passed around. How any woman can enjoy that lifestyle is beyond me.
how any grown ass man taking advantage of young underage girls is beyond me.
Omg me too!
Simple: it's fun
@@oBabybbyuuuu Sad.
Yeah I thought it was weird they never brought up that side of things.
my mother was a proud self proclaimed "groupie" that traveled around with motley crue in their earlier years. the stories that woman has continue to blow my mind.
If that is true, there is a chance that you are the child of one of the four...
@@TotallyNotABotRightGuys ...a child of all four...kind alike Freddy Krueger,
"The life of a groupie might sound super exciting and romantic."
Uh no.
Were you a groupie?
@@colleen113No, I'm someone to whom that life does not sound super exciting and romantic.
They were merely products to male consumers. And let’s not forget that the age of consent was 18 years old in California during this period. So those “regulars” at the Whiskey were children. A child cannot give consent to an adult. These children were groomed, taken advantage of and disposed of once they fell out of favor with their groomers.
Whoever was running the Whiskey should never have let children through the door.
@@nancymcmonarch I'm sure if Peter Grant was handing them a big sweaty paper bag filled with money to look the other way, they did his bidding.
@@nancymcmonarch Yeah. Sure. That was going to happen.
I grew up around people tied to rock stars
groupie have always creeped me out a bit
I loved Pamela's first book I'm with the band, her escapades with Keith Moon were hilarious! Mick Jagger would meet up with her when in town. But why Jimmy Page left her for a 14 yr old Lori was just stupid. Pam was gorgeous and had it all over those pre teen groupies that started hanging around the clubs and screwing anyone and anything. Even Robert Plant said Pam and the GTO's were fun to hang out with, inspired many songs and the groupies that came after them were too young dumb and couldn't hold a conversation cause how immature they were.
So Robert wasn’t into those young girls the way Page was? What about JPJ and Bonham
Lori had the allure of forbidden fruit. Nothing so exciting as banging a kid who cant get in to see a R rated movie or buy beer (most states back then were age 18). Having to push dollars under their pillows when their baby teeth fall out and act like the tooth fairy had made a visit. Priceless.
According to "Rebel Heart", Jimmy Page ended up dumping Lori for Bebe Buell.
"Sick Again", Physical Graffiti.
@@mjp96 Lyrics by Plant
I was a groupie the following decade and in the 90s. I have no regrets about it. Its something i wanted to do. I wasn't a baby groupie. I was 19 when I had my first encounter with a musician. Metal musicians were my choice of musicians. I didn't do drugs or even drink alcohol. I didn't hook up with anyone other than the band members. Except one roadie who was a former Chippendales dancer and one who I met not at a concert. I also never despite several conversations and offers, wrote about my exploits or named names.
It did make you feel special when this guy who could have his choice of any woman, chose you. It made you feel even more special when they called you when they were in town, or sent for you to join them. I routinely spent time on the road when I wasn't in college. As far as the wives or girlfriends, I think you have to know that comes along with being with one of these guys. Because there are some deeply devoted musicians out there. Thats why I never aspired to be the wife or girlfriend of one.
Today I live a normal life with a good husband who is an engineer, not a musician. We spend our time enjoying our Jeep adventures. I have plenty of wonderful memories from my time as a groupie though.
Ew.
@@timorthelame1 ..oh..guess what? Don't want to be a groupie, then don't be one dipshit.
Special to catch his VD maybe, does your engineer husband know you used to be a kum dumpster for drug addicts?
Sounds like you were an exception not the rule. Most of these now women admitted to copious amounts of drug abuse at very young ages and it messed them up for a long time.
Did your husband know about your past when he decided to marry you?
People only wanted to be a groupie just to be popular and say : I slept with this and that,most of them were underage that's horrible 😢
Right.
People really think it’s a flex if a famous or talented person sticks his penis in one of their orifices. How sad.
@Austrian-Painter14 What does that had to do with being an underage groupie?
Love Pamela Des Barres and find the groupie interesting even though I don't necessarily agree with it.
The one thing I will say is a pretty young girl with a nice body has power in a way they don’t realize until they venture into territory such as groupiedom. I was a prude, never participated in such behavior but I sure as hell got called (I had a car) by a couple school friends who found themselves used and abruptly discarded by these “artists”. They felt validated, special and bragged about conquests they themselves made-most determinedly. It extended to any kind of celebrity including motocross riders. I thought they were nuts. Well, to each their own I guess. I will say that my story had to do with running into a dude and his buddies one night when I was 16. Apparently they found it hilarious that when I was asked do you know who this is” I said NO. Greatest guitar player ever they said. Jeff Beck. My reply was “who”? That was 1976 and it WAS Jeff Beck, on tour for “Wired” album. I was clueless. I would have never been a good groupie….. I have run into random rockers in weird places….like ACE hardware in Atlanta where I met Kerry Livgren from Kansas. I was picking up 20 bags of mulch and he helped a guy from the store get them into the back of my SUV. I asked my husband if he ever heard of Livgren (husband plays guitar) when I got home. His comment “are you really clueless’? Apparently so.
Did he say hi I'm Kerry Livgren, can I help with those sacks? How would you know it was him? Someone had to have told you.
The "Do you know who I am?' crowd.....um...no. Your friends had zero conquests they were doormats.
I'd rather be you than they.
Happens in every industry. I was in skateboarding back in the day and "pro-hoes" where everywhere. If you were sponsored it was game on. I was young, sponsored, good looking.....and broken hearted over a girl so I didn't touch anyone for years in those days. Looking back, that's probably a good thing haha.
I still listen to Gram Parsons, we need more music like this.
I see that Pamela is still trying to cash in on her lifestyle from 60 years ago. Sad. And yes, I was there.
Hard to reconcile present-day Robert Plant's amiable, reflective persona and stately roots-ish musical work with what we know Led Zeppelin were doing offstage in the seventies.
Actually, Pamela Des Barres memoirs records him as gentlmanly and not a womanizer like Page and Bonham.
@@ammasdtr19 Ah! Thanks a. Pleased to learn that I can like the guy completely.
I had a quick look at PdB's memoir once, but as a lifelong stiff I found what I read too clueless and abject to continue.
All best - and thanks again.
@@ammasdtr19could you elaborate on how Plant was different from Page in that book? What about underage stuff? And what about Bonham, did he do anything?
@@ammasdtr19 Jimmy was the only member of the greatest band ever Led Zeppelin that wasn't married. I'm surprised Bonzo cheated on Pat.
People change even Jimmy page.
I know its difficult to accept but girls 100 years ago were getting married at 13 and having children. Thankfully the laws have changed to protect them but when many girls hit puberty they have a strong need for independence and acceptance, which is kind of ironic when you think about it. By the 60s and 70s things had changed slightly but i knew so many teenage girls that were looking to be sexually active by the time they were 13-14, this was in the 80s, and the groupie scene was definitely out of control during this decade as well. Not all girls rebel like this but so many do, myself included. Parents need to try to think like teenagers if they want their teenagers to understand reality like adults, especially if the goal is to keep them safe. So many comments here are saying how unlawful this is but those opinions aren't going to put a stop to it.
My paternal grandma was married at 14
I hit my teens in the 80s. Middle school girls and high school age boys were hooking up. Father's look out for your daughters.
Marriage has nothing in common with backstage humping.
and 2nd world war boys were going to war at 14/15 and getting killed but now the world is crap in the west ...
My paternal grandma was married and expecting my father at age 16
I was involved with 70s political reform movements as a musician, and got to meet a lot of celebrities who believed in the same ideologies; but I was far too shy to put the make on anyone even if they were flirty with me. So no, I was never a groupie even though I had plenty of opportunities.
The "thrift store fashion" part was really interesting, it seems like groupies really did influence some iconic things we known about bands
Have to Agree with some people here saying the groupies knew what they were doing & loved it--I dated one from back then years later & that's exactly how she felt & she knew some of the biggest rock stars (@ 15) and groupie girls in this video.
Sexually servicing them and cooking for them without pay. Yeah, that’s a great life
Yes, some of these women were just whores plain & simple, and enjoyed this lifestyle.
Oh please. CHILDREN knew what they were doing? :D They went in for the male attention and feeling chosen one bc they lacked that due to family background probably.
Sweet, sweet Connie was doing her act. She had the whole show and that's a natural fact.
and the parents were. . . where?
Hahahah Good one, we didn't have helicopter parents back then, no cell phones
At home jammin to Zep records.....
Why the hell does Pamela Des Barres think she knows the mind of every groupie??
Almost Famous was Cameron Crowe's memoir of his own life. He didn't just invent it. Ofcourse much was changed- bands and names but he captured his side of the backstage music industry.
He said the Penny Lane character was an amalgamation of several girls. There was a main girl though, and he said they were still friends and she did try to end her life because she fell for a married rockstar. He got her permisson to write the character that way.
Des Barres has made a living off writing about the groupie scene.
She makes much of it as being glamorous!! Just because she was one, does not make her an expert on all groupies feelings!
The grossest part is that no adults stepped in or tried to protect them. Teenagers will try to do anything to be cool,independent, and well liked. This was a den of snakes. They were passed around like party favors. And thrown away. I get it if you're 18, but still. It's really heartbreaking. Especially sense most of the musicians had wives and children of their own. Follow the music not the band. Hollywood is nasty for grooming underage girls. It was acceptable back then, and the girls thought wow I am important." There was no love in it only lust. I dont care if Pamela De Barnes wrote a book about it .She Glamorizes something that was horrifying and damaging It's not okay. I grew up close to Hollywood. I am grateful my parents were protective
all the parents i knew of this time were not close to their kids and not protective and just didnt question us enough. we went out and did what we wanted mostly. different times lucky for some of us who survived the times .. some didnt. sad in some ways but life is what it is throughout time . now men stalk underage on the net and its a much scarier amount of people on the net .. much scarier times then we lived in 70s
I guess the “Me Too” thing never made it backstage.
yes and the Beatles called them Apple Scruffs and wrote a song about them. (George Harrison).
Beatles also fans of Crowley
RIP Cynthia PlasterCaster
It doesn't sound exciting or romantic at all
And now the ones who are still alive, are grandmothers in March 2024.
point being?
Those 70s groupies aka prostitutes talking about girls these days being spoiled by of
@@mjp96 It assumes they aren't dead?
Some people will always be judgemental and unfairly judge based on today's standards. Things were different half a century ago and it's rather arrogant to dismiss the opinions of the women themselves when they say they were happy with how things were.
Ok boomer.
@@timorthelame1 Ok sexist
Things are different because society evolves and realizes the error of their ways. I can understand looking at the past and not judging people as harshly but it’s still wrong, they didn’t have the correct knowledge to be aware of it.
All the mad nerds with the OK responses.
Your mom's were hoes😂
They were young, stupid girls and now they're old, stupid women. They haven't grown up nor did they learn anything.
Groupies, yeah. Here's an interesting one.
I was a Recording Studio, Owner & Engineer. When I then went to work for NBC-Radio in Washington DC. And I ended up crossing paths. With Frank Zappa. On 6 occasions. And he always had, a couple, three or four girls. Gorgeous women with him. Each and every time.
And even when I was, putting microphones on him. I would tell him how much I loved, his music. I had his albums. He never even looked at me. Never even said thank you. It was like I was never there. And I wondered what the hell was going on? But he was only entertaining the groupies. And had nothing to say to me. Not even a thank you. I found him beyond, Droll. But I also agree with all of his opinions. But he's an ass hole. He was a crazy musical genius yet, ass hole. Why do they always have to be, ass holes?
And the, groupie girls and the groupie boys. They are always a presence. And here's another funny one.
Back when I was still 22. I got hired on. As a Maintenance Engineer. At a big hit recording studio complex in New York City. In the former, W. 57th St., Baptist Church. Now Media Recording Studios. And home of Bob Clearmountain and Tony Bon Jovi, Michael DeLugg. And the place has 4 Studios and 4 control rooms. And they are cranking out hits 24/7.
I tweak up the control rooms. Before incoming recording sessions. And as I exit out of one control room. I see this guy at the end of the hallway. Oh, oh???
It looks like, some Street vagrant. Made it in the front door. Before it fully closed and latched behind somebody. And I don't want this person going into a studio. And filling their pockets up with microphones. As I'm brand-new here. And I need to look out for the owners.
So I swaggered down the hallway to this guy. He's got, bluejeans with rips and tears stains and holes in them. His sneakers look like they are 10 years old, yuck. And a white T-shirt. With rips and holes and stains. And he's got these really thick glasses on. Like you'd see in a comedy movie. With Jerry Lewis as the nutty Prof.
I come up to this guy with his hair all, skeezy and I say… EXCUSE ME SIR CAN I HELP YOU?
To which he answered. Oh? I'm in, A. With Michael (Michael DeLugg).
I said,, oh? I'm one of the new Maintenance Engineers here. My name is Remy. And I put out my hand to shake his. He shakes my hand. And tells me his name is Barry. Barry Manilow. BARRY MANILOW!
This did not look like Barry Manilow. I had his albums. And I felt the blood rush for my brain. And I nearly passed out. It's Barry Manilow. Street vagrant. Oh how funny. I had only been there about a week. I thought that was very funny. It's the only way. They don't get inundated on the street by their fans. They are incognito. Deeply, incognito. Though? Robert Faulk, wasn't one day.
I'm just walking down the streets of New York City. And I find, Robert Faulk. Standing on a busy street corner in New York City. Holding his chin with his right thumb and forefinger. And looking very confused. At the traffic and city in front of him. Somewhere around 47th St. W., as I recall? And I stood there and looked at him. On the left side of him. When I then realized. He can't see me. I'm on his Blind Side. I thought that was also very funny. The walk sign came on. And I crossed the street. Leaving him standing there looking confused. So I don't know what was going on? I don't think I ended up in a movie? You never know? They take the shot of the back of my head, walking away? I don't know? I was in New York City! LOL. I suppose a lot of people end up as Extras from the back of their heads? Because nobody has signed a release form. Or they smudge out your face and with me that would be good.
You see lots of celebrities. Walking on the streets of New York City. It was a regular thing.
RemyRAD
Ahh Zappa… I could imagine his difficult personality.
Ahh, the hypocrisy. For one group, sex with minors was cool and they looked the other way. For the majority, a dalliance in this behavior is a one way ticket to jail and a record that haunts you for the rest of your life. What a world we live in.
Answer: Very Sad.
Out on the road for forty days
Last night in Little Rock put me in a haze
Sweet, sweet Connie, doin' her act
She had the whole show and that's a natural fact. "Sweet" Connie Hamzy Parente
It’s all creepy and probably illegal
My first experience was with a groupie - and it was great! I was touring with a band as their sound and lighting man at the time. It was also my first brush with a STD which spoiled it. I wish the second part had never happened; I might still be with her.
Anyone giving it away to anyone, is sure to be packing some sort of bacteria or virus. Something like herpes is with you for LIFE.
Was the std painful ? I never had an std I always curious how painful
@@sabrinatiffany45 It was crabs. Not painful and disappeared after a few days and some good washing. But it made me feel unclean and put me off big time.
@@sabrinatiffany45 Case of the crabs. Not painful, itchy but cleaning got rid of it after several days. More embarrasing than anything. Very upsetting.
It was their choice. Don't feel sad for them at all. They seem fine now.
definitely we were all of us mostly fine .. and think fondly of those times at the whiskey and rainbow
@@xjaidlynI don't think your descendants want to know their ancestor was a prostitute for the rockstars
SOCIETY WAS DIFFERENT 60 YEARS AGO. THESE LADIES ARE ALL IN THEIR 70S NOW.
Can we stop judging the 70s with 21st century woke politics? This could never happen today! Anita Pallenberg was not a groupie she was Keith Richard's girlfriend and muse.
It was as wrong then as it is now. Their behavior influenced how society thought of SA. The groupie scene made it ok for adult men to prey on girls that wanted nothing but to go to school and be home with their parents. The groupie scene was used as a shield. They were worse than hollywood because actores and pop artists in their teens were few and in between and out of the scope of perceived reality. But if you saw a 14 yr old acting like a stripper and engaging with adult men, and people applauding her for it, you would question if SA was something you attracted or should even be ok with, because, after all, the super cool girls were being SA'd and proud of it. So no, this was not normal. What these women owe to society is letting it know it was not okay and they should have been stopped from hurting themselves. Their recklessness is unacceptable.
Anita was a law unto herself. Feel bad for the males she messed with.
@@eardrummed Much of what you say I agree with , but worse than Hollywood ? No.....not by a song shot.
@@mariebussinger6565 She was also into Satanic stuff, which puts her in a different category and one to get away from ASAP.
Right on!
Wow this Paula is a definition of delulu
Nice to post the number at the end! It’s the responsible thing to do.
I’m sure there are just a few rock stars scratching their collective asses watching how the Steven Tyler case plays out
As long as you were under 14 you were in demand. How effed up is that.
What many band personnel seemed to forget that if it was you Friday it was another member of another band on Saturday, and I suppose back in the 60’s and 70’s age was never mentioned. I know for a fact some girls actually offered themselves for sex.
4:30 Behind Frank is Roy Estrada (bass player in the original Mothers) who is serving time in prison for having sex with a female relative who was a minor.
Well spotted. At eighty he's serving twenty-five years without parole - he was a persistent offender.
I love Zappa's music but I hope to God that none of his groupie-chasing was coercive or otherwise criminal We'll never know, but I do hope that stuff was lower than he'd go.
Never did drugs with them..
Never gave a lay...
Had the best back stage experiences...yes way back then..met over 10 rock bands !.
Karen and I lived and loved it..for us innocent fun at 14-15 Never felt danger..ever.
I find it ridiculous that people are constantly acting like groupies are these victims, please. These women actively sought out these men, what the hell did you think was gonna happen? Additionally most do not regret or feel ashamed of it, why should they? It seems like people are making a huge deal out of nothing for the of age groupies, but i do agree rockstars should have acted with more caution regarding underage ones.
jamesm6083.You nailed it Dude.I was around in that Era, but I was never a musician,let alone a Rockstar.
I would have never messed with underage Girls.But You're right,grown Women threw themselves at Rockstar and moviestars.
I don’t care if a 14 year old girl begs a grown man, wrong is wrong. There’s a difference between an adult making a decision compared to a child, that’s why children have guardians.
@@SJ-ni6iy
I agree with you, kids are kids but where were the guardians? Jimmy Page's minor girlfriend's mother allowed the relationship. She signed paperwork for it. Some of the groupies were young however the ones who made money off their experiences knew exactly what they were doing.
@@bonnie_clyde70 every adult involved is guilty
WELL...I find it ridiculous that the power structures are constantly set up this way. Did you know that the early days of HOLLYWOOD was the entire layout for this? Did you know that actors and actresses were just literally slaves laid out on the buffet for the powerful rich back in the day? This horrible power structure has been going on since Rome.THE ROCK STARS did not figure this out. it is a CONSTRUCT.
I have often thought that I would be able to thrive in the groupie culture/lifestyle. I would not enjoy talented artists cheating on their girlfriends and wives though. 😢
It's always going to be a mix of experiences and situations whenever humans are involved. I know a lot of people today that lost their virginity and got pregnant by much older guys who were nobodys. Ask around you might be surprised. It wasn't just the rock scene. Two of my friends got pregnant in high school. It still happens today although I think it's less common. Hormones are a powerful thing.
The statute of limitations does not run out on sexual abuse of minors in most states.
Regular people would be arrested today for admitting to these things in the 1970's. Not rich people.
That's not true the only crime that has no Statute of Limitations is Murder.
For most other criminal offences, the statute of limitations is set by Section 78(3) of the Criminal Code (Strafgesetzbuch) as follows:
30 years for offences which are punishable by a maximum term of imprisonment for life;
20 years for offences which are punishable by a maximum term of imprisonment of over 10 years but not by imprisonment for life;
10 years for offences which are punishable by a maximum term of imprisonment of over 5 years but no more than 10 years;
5 years for offences which are punishable by a maximum term of imprisonment of over 1 year but no more than 5 years;
3 years for all other offences.
I’m currently 23 and when I was a teenager I thought the groupie lifestyle was so cool and beautiful but now that I’m older and watching this and I’m quite disgusted 😂 I love rock and roll and the music from back then but cmon these were little girls seeking sexual activity and validation. Pamela sounds so stupid talking about popping a birth control and saying it was “feminism”. I can’t believe I thought this was cool at one point. Enjoying the music and trying to get somewhere with the band are two complete different things. At the same time I blame the musicians for thinking it was ok taking advantage of minors. It’s so creepy.
Pamela DeBarres is an idiot, still trying to live off of her "glory days" as a groupie.
It's pathetic.
Oh please. A 304 is a 304 no matter where in history she lives. What, has no one heard of STDs??
STD stood for Subscriber Trunk Dialing in Australia. Like a trunk call between capital cities. Yeah I know. Just being silly. I also like ATM. Can mean so many things.
At that time, there was no STD that couldn't be taken care of by penicillin
What about the disgusting men too?
I blame them more b/c they were adults
Debauchery usually leads to bad results.
Bonham and Moon would agree....If they could that is
Grunge please do a video on Mary Kay Bergman R.I.P 👑
They were willing participants and had fun. It was a different time.
yikes, be glad your account is anonymous
I'm not sure that Ozzy has the best recollection of everything that happened in the 70s (or any decade since) but his recollection of groupies isn't terribly flattering.
I slept with Sable Starr….she knew things, and she was in her 20s at that time
like Paul really being dead and replaced?
I still wonder what happened to her all the time
@@Magicalgrrrl6 she died several years ago
@@georgeclarke2258 I heard about that I just mean I wonder what happened didn’t they say it was an unsolved case or something along those lines ?
@@Magicalgrrrl6 she had brain cancer
All I can say is don't believe any "expert' who writes in The Guardian.
Gosh. It's just a thing from the past, what's with people getting outraged and judging everything with the present day values?! Yes it was illegal back then too but nobody's gonna go around prosecuting people because it was all consensual and private. These women haven't regretted it. I feel like there's also a lot of slutshaming mixed in here. We only live once, why are you judging other people's choices so harshly?
Now the only ones saying they're damaged are the ones trying to get reparation.
i dont regret a moment of my life style back then in hollywood. it was different times / it will never happen again. in time. due to the internet.. that is way more dangerous than the lives we lived in the 70s at clubs with bands
I could NEVER have been a groupie, looks too EXHAUSTING. 😮
Couples approach me more than single men🙄
Fun ep! Thanks!
Remember that at the time Liberal-Progressive thought encouraged this behavior, though it now condemns it.
Groupie life wasn't appealing to people focused on what would be best for themselves. Sex, drugs, and rock n roll led to STD's, Addiction, and Headaches.
I think we should apply current sensibilities onto previous times.
I think it's important to separate potential trauma and illegal/inappropriate acts.
Just because something illegal, immoral, doesn't mean the person experienced trauma.
I think it's wrong for us to try and force trauma onto someone.