She was showing her “authority and power”….. killed many good people. Wrong person for that position but federal government PC bullsheet will Never end‼️
Columbia had a HUGE impact on me as an 11 year old kid, and it's why I have such a passion for space today. The Columbia accident was terrible and preventable, but those 7 will never be forgotten.
@@kristidrehnig4313he doesnt care. this is his chance to rub his orange jesus statue and spout his mysoginist garbage. he’s virtue signaling his bigot brothers
In a world of accountability, yes. As with the initial completely preventable shuttle (Challenger) disaster, powerful people always skate. It's heads they win, tales you lose.
I grew up in Indianapolis. I met a kid I liked and started dating him. He belonged to Jim Jones church. I met Jim Jones and he did things to me I still can't talk about. When I refused to run away from my family and move west he ordered my boyfriend to "get rid of me." So on a date, he drove off the road on my side and rammed his old beat up car into a telephone pole. I never saw that kid or Jim Jones again. Then when I saw the mass murder news on television I was shocked. The kid I dated ended up not going but he lost his parents and siblings to the mass murder. Yeah life!
Jim Jones was in the same Church as Branham. Branhams mentor was another pentecosral pastor.who was also a top ranking KKK member. Brnham has influenced Churches in Aftica which also had a mass death occurence in Kenya lately. Those false Churches are evil.cults. walk away from these wackos !
My best friends, dad was a teenager when his stepmom and her son were killed in Jonestown… Apparently they wanted him to go to, but he never really liked Jim Jones or his preaching when he seen him in Los Angeles.
It's sad that people long so much to be a part of something and to find a meaning for why we exist that they're willing to follow absolute insanity and join an obvious cult. I mean look at Scientology..
@@SkinnyEatWorld95 Look at christianity. The US is the western country with the highest amount of citizens who believe in the bible, and believe that God created the earth in seven days. I guess that the americans need to believe in something, being Jehovas Witneses, Mormons or Scientology or the amount of small local cults.
"...It would therefore waste too much time...." Waste too much time from _what?_ Was there some sort of problem-solving time limit that I am not aware of? TF?!
I remember coming back home from highschool, I was a sophomore at the time, and turning on the television and finding out about this horrible tragedy. 😮😮 Jones Town
@ technically it didn’t explode. It broke apart due to severe dynamic forces. The appearance of a fireball was from the sudden exposure of the liquid hydrogen fuel to the oxygen rich atmosphere and was merely a chemical affect.
My uncle, Michael Channels, was a long time pen pal of Charles Manson. Manson wrote to my uncle multiple times throughout the day, talking to him about his life and everything. Before Manson died, he gave my uncle Michael many gifts. He still has every one of those gifts that were sent and got a LOT of publicity during this whole event. I find it VERY interesting that my family is connected to this person!
They 100% knew the Columbia was not coming home. They knew the whole time they were in space. They knew every day as they were talking to the oblivious astronauts. They knew less than an hour after take off the shuttle was doomed.
@@glennkrieger it was about one hour and 51 minutes after launch they knew it was definitely not coming home. This is first hand from two gentlemen who were there and both retired working for NASA. You really don't need to dig too deep to find the details. They have a team of people that immediately analyze video of the launch. These gentlemen were part of that team. There were no civilian phone calls coming in and out of that the launch control center for 17 days.
If it's possible, I want to put a funny spin on the Space Shuttle Columbia story. We had taken our daughter to Loma Linda hospital for a kidney transplant where we were visiting her on the morning of the Columbia disaster. While lying in her hospital bed, my wife and I were sitting with her watching the story as it was happening live on the news. Out of nowhere, some derelict-looking man wandered into our daughter's hospital room and started watching the news with us. The guy looked like he had just come out of the street after a week-long bender. His hair was all messy and his clothes wrinkled. I went and got the hospital security to toss the guy out of the room. Come to find out it was our daughter's doctor! I guess he is a world-renowned Nephrologist but has no sense of dress or hygiene. We didn't know. The guy never introduced himself, he just came into the room and started watching the news with us. After meeting him, we noticed that's how he showed up every day while treating her; messy hair, unshaven, and wrinkled shirts. I guess its true that you can't judge a book by its cover. The guy literally saved our daughter.
I'll give him the benefit of doubt. The reason for his messy appearance was probably not lack of hygiene but working longer hours than some less dedicated doctors would. He probably rarely went home to take a shower, shave, and put on a clean, unwrinkled shirt. Probably used most of the time he wasn't working to get some sleep. Even to the point of sleeping at the hospital and not changing his shirt when he woke up. Just immediately went back to work saving lives. We need more people like him in all walks of life.
Surgeons, emergency department doctors, and many PhD researchers are generally devoted to their jobs and view appearance a nuisance. I have a talented internist who dresses in ratty T-shirts. He saved my life with a truly out of the box theory and diagnosis. He’s often in a lab coat or scrubs so, why not be comfortable? One day he came in with a dress shirt, I said, new shirt, he said, how do you know? You know how they fold dress shirts in the store, in wrapping? It still had the creases. lol I really like him. BTW, I’ll never forget where I was when I learned about these tragedies. Back in the good ole days when society wasn’t separated by partisan politics and there weren’t conspiracy theories about everything that happened ten minutes after it occurred. People could unite over loss of every kind, and neighbors cared about one another. The media only covered events, and we never knew the political leanings of our news anchors, doctors, teachers, friends, family or neighbors.
@@djg5950 Absolutely, the more this physician treated our daughter, I wondered when he got any sleep because I know that she wasn't his only patient. Again, I owe this man a million and one thank yous. It was a humbling experience for me because even as kids we are taught not to judge a book by its cover. The whole experience made our daughter choose a career in the medical field as an LVN. I have become familiar with the hours most physicians and some nurses keep. And now I understand why most of them look like they just rolled out of bed.
@@djg5950 No, I think my family met that guy. They said the same thing. He had actually flown into our hometown specifically to see my sister since she had a very, very rare condition that he was interested in seeing and fixing. Zero bedside manner, horrible appearance, very blunt. The guy apparently just doesn't care about anything other than his field. Maybe high-functioning autistic?
It’s devastating to hear this about shuttle Columbia, and the coverup no wonder the space shuttle project was grounded. They should’ve done what they knew to be right , discover the damage , send Atlantis for the rescue mission , and remote Columbia out to space forever , don’t try to bring it back to explode, and rain down on who knows what.. That coverup is evil.
LINDA HAM: This is why having a Gov't job allows for people to NEVER BE FIRED for incompetence: From Wikipedia: On July 3, 2003, NASA's new Space Shuttle program manager, William Parsons, reassigned three senior engineers who had been involved in the Columbia disaster, including Ham. NASA administrator Sean O'Keefe took the opportunity to praise Ham publicly, saying that the reassignment was "no reflection, in my judgment, on the competence or diligence or commitment or professionalism of anybody...."[18] According to The Washington Post, "O'Keefe said she is so talented there is going to be a 'bidding war' for her among NASA facilities".[19] Ham's new position was as assistant to Frank Benz, director of engineering at the Johnson Space Center. In December 2003, she served as executive liaison from NASA to the National Renewable Energy Laboratory in Golden, Colorado, where she worked on federal plans for the storage and distribution of hydrogen fuel.[20]
I always wondered if we couldn’t have sent another shuttle up to help return the Columbia crew. Knowing it was possible and internal politicking destroyed that hope is infuriating.
You know it is extremely illegal for everyday citizens to hinder investigations, especially when it comes to investigations involving fatalities. The very fact that Linda Ham didn’t serve any prison time is mind boggling.
I remember Waco like it was yesterday! I was about 8 or 9 ys/o. It went on for days and it's all you could see in the news. Everyone was SO CONCERNED FOR THE CHILDREN and then OUTRAGED WHEN THE COMPOUND AND OCCUPANTS WENT DOWN IN AN INFERNO OF FLAMES!😮😢
Koresh was determined to be a martyr and he made the decision to take all his followers with him, he could have sent out the kids with some adults but was setting out the highly flammable things to burn everything down .
0:48 The engineers did notice, and they informed their supervisors. But the supervisors decided there was no issue, and decided to proceed with the mission.
The issue isn't that the mission proceeded, they were committed to the crime basically as soon as the shuttle was into orbit. The issue is in not alerting the crew, and not exploring alternatives to bring them home. Although sadly I do not know what they could have done after that shuttle was in orbit. The ISS was in orbit at the time I used to think it was possible to go to it and transfer the crew to the ISS temporarily, but after looking into it, the shuttle didn't have enough fuel to get it into the same orbit as the ISS. And then comes the issue of the ticking clock, the crew only has so much food, water, and air to let you solve the issue. Is launching a bunch of unmanned Soyuz into the same orbit and docking with them a valid option before the crew runs out of time? No idea, but I am leaning towards no. Honestly the sin is in not letting the crew or the public know. The crew could have been alerted and told that they think there's about a 50/50 chance the shuttle re-orbits or you die on re-entry, and ask them how they want to proceed.
My brother had won a trip to Disney World, and he took my then 8yo son with him. Because of some crazy mix-ups with the travel agency, they were upgraded to 1st class, the Presidential Suite at The Floridian Hotel, private meals and meet and greets with Mickey and many other characters, and much much more. It was a total fantasy trip, once in a lifetime. What I remember is, it was the longest time I had ever been away from my son, and the farthest away as well. While I loved it for both him and my brother, I was climbing the walls with worry. Then nearly lost my mind when Columbia happened. 😱
To think of all those scarred by these events - that other events like these WILL continue to happen only proves that we can't learn from our mistakes, even & especially the worst ones.
And yet somehow his country could not give him the support and aid he deserved as a war veteran and indigenous member of the First Nations. Truly sad but what an awe inspiring warrior.
Exactly: 1. Supposed “adults” hiding in “safe spaces” with coloring books, teddy bears and hot chocolate. 2. Women shaving their heads and wearing blue bracelets and going celibate (for once in their lives) for their leaders. Typical cult mentality. Typical leftists.
@@BuconoirNo, we defeated your cult leader. Idiocracy is about to end. But not to fear. There’s plenty of hot cocoa, teddy bears and coloring books in the local safe space where you can shave your heads and put on the blue bracelet.
I live in Tyler Texas one of the larger towns in East Texas. I remember that day vividly I was either in 10th or 11th grade it was a Saturday morning and I woke up to a sound that was like giant bowling ball rolling across the sky. It was amazing that no one on the ground was killed. Also my mom knew a family that was part of Jim Jones cult.
I witnessed the launch of the Columbia as a 21 year old “newcomer” to the USA as close up as possible. It was the most amazing experience, and it broke up behind us while in the Dallas area on I-35 on our way to be stationed in San Antonio. I admit to be a techno/space junkie since the moon landing when I was 11 and watched it in amazement on our black and white TV in Germany in a tiny town close to Wolfsburg where my dad worked in the VW factory. I was glued to my small AM transistor radio praying for Apollo 13 while the moon was shining in my window So sad about America since I first set foot 😢
Imagine how their lives could have played out in an alternate timeline where they were not insane: jim jones could have become a prominent figure of the peace/equality movement and the coolest megachurch pastor in existence. Manson could have become a hippie icon, someone who was there when it happened, did it all and lived to tell the tale. he could have become a musician after all. His music wasn't bad, could have had a cult following (no pun intended)
Could the crew have done anything on reentry to mitigate the danger from the damaged tiles? Side slipped or something to prevent the heat build-up inside the wing?
Another Jim Jones could do the EXACT same thing TOMORROW in Oakland/San Francisco. These people are STILL like children, ready to believe any preposterous lie. All we can do is hope that no one decides to take advantage of them like that again.
First time I heard about the Great Molasses Flood I thought it was a joke, when someone said it really happened I laughed because it sounded funny to think of Boston covered in molasses. I was thinking it was just a sticky mess but as you learn more about it, you realize quickly there was nothing funny about it. It was more than 2 million gallons rushing through the streets at over 30 MPH, a couple dozen people were killed (can you imagine drowning as a thick molasses wave consumes you and clogs your nose, throat, etc? OMG), hundreds were injured, a bunch of horses died being stuck in the gooey, heavy river of syrup. In the wake of it, the property damage, the clean up-- it was a true disaster even though it sounds like it could be the title of a goofy children's book.
Members of the jury hugged Koresh because of his charism? How about their stupidity? The whole thing is insane; how could anyone believe such lunacy and allow that kind of community in their state?
I always thought the "Challenger Disaster" was inevitable; someday one of those rockets was bound to blow up. I was 25 at the time and felt that anyone who was surprised by it was woefully unprepared for adult life. Unfortunately, one of those people was a professor of mine.
Colombia exploded over Dallas Texas and we saw it all. Ill never forget because i was at this thing where i was put against kids for how well i'd done and got awards.
You mean taxpayers money sent to fund wars in places we have no business aiding in? Or the fact that Americans see devastation from floods, fires, tornadoes and hurricanes and our government “can’t afford to help Americans”? Yes they do the worst damage to our country, but when politicians get rich while they are in office is a another issue that should be addressed
@@albertchehade9916 ok…. Tell me how taxpayers signed up for that please? I’m just an Iraq/ Afghanistan combat vet that knows everything the government says isn’t true. So explain “why cry now” please. I want to hear your explanation of what “crying” is in your opinion. But I know that something like that won’t happen in the next 4 hopefully 12 years now little one!!
I was involved in one of the lawsuit trials after the Branch Dividian siege in Waco and the things that came out were horrific. One of the children (a 10 year old girl) who were prevented from going back into the compound was found to be pregnant. It was later determined through DNA testing that the resulting child is the biological child of David Koresh, the Cult leader. It came out that he was having intimate relations with every female in the compound from the ages of 8 years old to mid 30's women. The Texas Department of Children's Services was also investigating child s3x abuse allegations when the FBI and ATF served the search warrant. The ATF had their raid planning session in the parking lot of the Mount Calm, Texas post office not realizing that one of the Cult members worked for the Postal Service at that location. He called to warn Koresh that the ATF was heading there to serve a warrant. When the ATF knocked on the door they were met with machine gun fire that killed 4 agents. The ATF had purchased several illegal weapons that had been converted into full blown machine guns from Cult members and were looking to search the property.
I can't believe you didn't take that opportunity to clean up that missed quote from "drinking the Kool-Aid" because it was actually the cheaper brand flavor -aid the boxes were visible in the video taken of the 900 bodies in the days after the massacre so it should properly be "drinking the flavor-aid"
I think that Jim Jones was mainly after power and control. Didn't he live in Guyana with the victims or did he live in San Fran? I was very young when it happened.
Which of these did you find the most shocking?
All of them 😢
@@katherineknapp4370 "Okay, but that's not the question I asked, now, is it? And I was very careful to phrase it that way." 😂
The most shocking was seeking the IRL talking head of Grunge
Waco
Don't take only this channels information as the complete and unadulterated truth.
One woman's denial horribly changed many lives forever . Why was Linda Hamm allowed to walk away from this ?
Of course she did. She was a public employee.
Female privilege
She was showing her “authority and power”….. killed many good people. Wrong person for that position but federal government PC bullsheet will Never end‼️
It had happened before, but with a positive outcome. The then (female) chief of the fda blocked the approval of thalidomide...
Cause she’s a woman
Columbia had a HUGE impact on me as an 11 year old kid, and it's why I have such a passion for space today. The Columbia accident was terrible and preventable, but those 7 will never be forgotten.
Nver happened. Those Columbia people are still alive today.
@@ThomasLeeHowellthat’s the challenger
@@Shethiccc38 lol
Ya! People need to get their conspiracy theories strait! sheesh...
@ThomasLeeHowell you're a millennial...
@@christurnblom4825that's the whole millennial generation, they're all conspiracy theorists.
Linda Ham that had the final say in getting pictures of the Columbia should had been tried for a crime.
The Columbia never exploded. That was the Space Shuttle Challenger. Totally different ship!!
"Should had been"?
@@kristidrehnig4313he doesnt care. this is his chance to rub his orange jesus statue and spout his mysoginist garbage. he’s virtue signaling his bigot brothers
@@kristidrehnig4313The Challenger exploded while launching, the Columbia exploded on reentry.
In a world of accountability, yes. As with the initial completely preventable shuttle (Challenger) disaster, powerful people always skate. It's heads they win, tales you lose.
I grew up in Indianapolis. I met a kid I liked and started dating him. He belonged to Jim Jones church. I met Jim Jones and he did things to me I still can't talk about. When I refused to run away from my family and move west he ordered my boyfriend to "get rid of me." So on a date, he drove off the road on my side and rammed his old beat up car into a telephone pole. I never saw that kid or Jim Jones again. Then when I saw the mass murder news on television I was shocked. The kid I dated ended up not going but he lost his parents and siblings to the mass murder. Yeah life!
And how many times did you see Jim jones personally?
Jim Jones was in the same Church as Branham. Branhams mentor was another pentecosral pastor.who was also a top ranking KKK member. Brnham has influenced Churches in Aftica which also had a mass death occurence in Kenya lately. Those false Churches are evil.cults. walk away from these wackos !
My best friends, dad was a teenager when his stepmom and her son were killed in Jonestown… Apparently they wanted him to go to, but he never really liked Jim Jones or his preaching when he seen him in Los Angeles.
It's sad that people long so much to be a part of something and to find a meaning for why we exist that they're willing to follow absolute insanity and join an obvious cult. I mean look at Scientology..
@@SkinnyEatWorld95 Look at christianity. The US is the western country with the highest amount of citizens who believe in the bible, and believe that God created the earth in seven days.
I guess that the americans need to believe in something, being Jehovas Witneses, Mormons or Scientology or the amount of small local cults.
"...It would therefore waste too much time...."
Waste too much time from _what?_ Was there some sort of problem-solving time limit that I am not aware of? TF?!
one would think time was all they had...
Jonestown is where we got the phrase "Drinking the koolaid" & its variants. Even though what they drank went by the name Flavor Aid.
Some of the best 'kool-aid' ive had was knockoffs
It’s always puzzled me why the ‘kool-aid’ stuck. But then so did “Houston we have a problem”, and “beam me up Scotty”
The same thing that maga is doing.
@@tdurb0 easy term to use when someone is brainwashed/in a cult. Or just to talk smack with other teams
During one of the video clips seen here you can clearly see Jones opening a container that had "Kool Aid" labeled packages. I wonder where this was?
If we don't learn from history, it will repeat itself.
Listen This Heat - Cenotaph. Major tuneage
And unfortunately it is. People never seem to learn.
It already is, with Tramp's cult.
Santayana once said "Those who cannot remember the past are forever condemned to repeat it."
I've always loved and understood that.
NASA never learns …
I met the forensic team that worked the scene at the Waco Siege. In my criminology class. They said they were still traumatized til this day.
I remember coming back home from highschool, I was a sophomore at the time, and turning on the television and finding out about this horrible tragedy. 😮😮 Jones Town
The Challenger Disaster: The astronauts cabin survived the explosion and they were alive until it hit the ocean surface.
wasn't that the Columbia?
@@dodgy1779 Columbia melted on re-entry, Challenger exploded within the atmosphere.
Didn’t they find them alive
@@Shethiccc38 No, hitting with the ocean was too much velocity to survive. The impact speed was over 400 MPH.
@ technically it didn’t explode. It broke apart due to severe dynamic forces. The appearance of a fireball was from the sudden exposure of the liquid hydrogen fuel to the oxygen rich atmosphere and was merely a chemical affect.
Rick Husband was from Amarillo, Texas. They renamed their airport after him and there's a statue of him outside the Amarillo Civic Center.
The late U. S. Congressman Leo Ryan, should have been escorted by at least 12 armed U.S. Army troops, when he left the U.S. to Guyana 🇬🇾.
foolmasonry will just make a reprobate clown out of you.
All NASA had to do was have at least one astronaut go out in their spacesuit and check the wing.
My uncle, Michael Channels, was a long time pen pal of Charles Manson. Manson wrote to my uncle multiple times throughout the day, talking to him about his life and everything.
Before Manson died, he gave my uncle Michael many gifts. He still has every one of those gifts that were sent and got a LOT of publicity during this whole event.
I find it VERY interesting that my family is connected to this person!
Me too ! How morbid and disturbing.
I'd be ashamed to be associated with an evil cold blooded killer.
They 100% knew the Columbia was not coming home. They knew the whole time they were in space. They knew every day as they were talking to the oblivious astronauts. They knew less than an hour after take off the shuttle was doomed.
How do you know this?
Just look at the tiny hats
@@glennkrieger it was about one hour and 51 minutes after launch they knew it was definitely not coming home. This is first hand from two gentlemen who were there and both retired working for NASA. You really don't need to dig too deep to find the details. They have a team of people that immediately analyze video of the launch. These gentlemen were part of that team. There were no civilian phone calls coming in and out of that the launch control center for 17 days.
@@movieforge01 Thank you for your detailed comment. I've never heard this before.
@@movieforge01 "civilization phone calls"? What?
If it's possible, I want to put a funny spin on the Space Shuttle Columbia story. We had taken our daughter to Loma Linda hospital for a kidney transplant where we were visiting her on the morning of the Columbia disaster. While lying in her hospital bed, my wife and I were sitting with her watching the story as it was happening live on the news. Out of nowhere, some derelict-looking man wandered into our daughter's hospital room and started watching the news with us. The guy looked like he had just come out of the street after a week-long bender. His hair was all messy and his clothes wrinkled. I went and got the hospital security to toss the guy out of the room. Come to find out it was our daughter's doctor! I guess he is a world-renowned Nephrologist but has no sense of dress or hygiene. We didn't know. The guy never introduced himself, he just came into the room and started watching the news with us. After meeting him, we noticed that's how he showed up every day while treating her; messy hair, unshaven, and wrinkled shirts.
I guess its true that you can't judge a book by its cover. The guy literally saved our daughter.
I'll give him the benefit of doubt. The reason for his messy appearance was probably not lack of hygiene but working longer hours than some less dedicated doctors would. He probably rarely went home to take a shower, shave, and put on a clean, unwrinkled shirt. Probably used most of the time he wasn't working to get some sleep. Even to the point of sleeping at the hospital and not changing his shirt when he woke up. Just immediately went back to work saving lives. We need more people like him in all walks of life.
Surgeons, emergency department doctors, and many PhD researchers are generally devoted to their jobs and view appearance a nuisance. I have a talented internist who dresses in ratty T-shirts. He saved my life with a truly out of the box theory and diagnosis. He’s often in a lab coat or scrubs so, why not be comfortable? One day he came in with a dress shirt, I said, new shirt, he said, how do you know?
You know how they fold dress shirts in the store, in wrapping? It still had the creases. lol I really like him.
BTW, I’ll never forget where I was when I learned about these tragedies. Back in the good ole days when society wasn’t separated by partisan politics and there weren’t conspiracy theories about everything that happened ten minutes after it occurred. People could unite over loss of every kind, and neighbors cared about one another. The media only covered events, and we never knew the political leanings of our news anchors, doctors, teachers, friends, family or neighbors.
@@djg5950 Absolutely, the more this physician treated our daughter, I wondered when he got any sleep because I know that she wasn't his only patient. Again, I owe this man a million and one thank yous. It was a humbling experience for me because even as kids we are taught not to judge a book by its cover.
The whole experience made our daughter choose a career in the medical field as an LVN. I have become familiar with the hours most physicians and some nurses keep. And now I understand why most of them look like they just rolled out of bed.
I had a lawyer that looked like this, homeless but he was a great lawyer😮
@@djg5950 No, I think my family met that guy. They said the same thing. He had actually flown into our hometown specifically to see my sister since she had a very, very rare condition that he was interested in seeing and fixing. Zero bedside manner, horrible appearance, very blunt. The guy apparently just doesn't care about anything other than his field. Maybe high-functioning autistic?
What a great production and presentation! I learned something new on every topic you covered - thank you! 🎉
Ham went to an executive liaison position because communication is her greatest skill.
"Debris assessment team" is a weirdly specific line of work..............
Not really. It's just forensic investigation.
Yea it's not their job title, it's a specific assignment
I remember all of these, such dark events should never be forgotten.
Horrible, shocking, disturbing and sad events in American history
It’s devastating to hear this about shuttle Columbia, and the coverup no wonder the space shuttle project was grounded. They should’ve done what they knew to be right , discover the damage , send Atlantis for the rescue mission , and remote Columbia out to space forever , don’t try to bring it back to explode, and rain down on who knows what.. That coverup is evil.
The fact they found the foam strike and did nothing about it is peak NASA.
LINDA HAM: This is why having a Gov't job allows for people to NEVER BE FIRED for incompetence: From Wikipedia:
On July 3, 2003, NASA's new Space Shuttle program manager, William Parsons, reassigned three senior engineers who had been involved in the Columbia disaster, including Ham. NASA administrator Sean O'Keefe took the opportunity to praise Ham publicly, saying that the reassignment was "no reflection, in my judgment, on the competence or diligence or commitment or professionalism of anybody...."[18] According to The Washington Post, "O'Keefe said she is so talented there is going to be a 'bidding war' for her among NASA facilities".[19]
Ham's new position was as assistant to Frank Benz, director of engineering at the Johnson Space Center. In December 2003, she served as executive liaison from NASA to the National Renewable Energy Laboratory in Golden, Colorado, where she worked on federal plans for the storage and distribution of hydrogen fuel.[20]
I always wondered if we couldn’t have sent another shuttle up to help return the Columbia crew. Knowing it was possible and internal politicking destroyed that hope is infuriating.
You know it is extremely illegal for everyday citizens to hinder investigations, especially when it comes to investigations involving fatalities. The very fact that Linda Ham didn’t serve any prison time is mind boggling.
Cause they knew the outcome
The Columbia incident was so tragic. I remember crying when it happened.
Denying the imaging of the columbia wing. Should lead to the death penalty for the lady saying it was not necessary
Lol 😂 y'all capital punishment freaks are hilarious. An official covered up a botched or reckless response to accident.
Indicted? Sure. Executed? 😂
The government should never be allowed to investigate itself.
I remember Waco like it was yesterday!
I was about 8 or 9 ys/o.
It went on for days and it's all you could see in the news. Everyone was SO CONCERNED FOR THE CHILDREN and then OUTRAGED WHEN THE COMPOUND AND OCCUPANTS WENT DOWN IN AN INFERNO OF FLAMES!😮😢
It is surreal that several survivors of the siege successfully sued the government but none of the ATF members were so much as repriamanded.
2:06 "waste too much time" yeah like time is more important than safety.
Fun fact: One of the Columbia astronauts was Rachel Zegler's aunt.
Linda Hamm's role in the Colombia disaster. That is a bit of information I don't think I knew previously....wow!!!
Koresh got what he had coming. Its just tragic that the govt murdered all those innocent kids.
Koresh was determined to be a martyr and he made the decision to take all his followers with him, he could have sent out the kids with some adults but was setting out the highly flammable things to burn everything down .
0:48 The engineers did notice, and they informed their supervisors. But the supervisors decided there was no issue, and decided to proceed with the mission.
The issue isn't that the mission proceeded, they were committed to the crime basically as soon as the shuttle was into orbit. The issue is in not alerting the crew, and not exploring alternatives to bring them home. Although sadly I do not know what they could have done after that shuttle was in orbit. The ISS was in orbit at the time I used to think it was possible to go to it and transfer the crew to the ISS temporarily, but after looking into it, the shuttle didn't have enough fuel to get it into the same orbit as the ISS. And then comes the issue of the ticking clock, the crew only has so much food, water, and air to let you solve the issue. Is launching a bunch of unmanned Soyuz into the same orbit and docking with them a valid option before the crew runs out of time? No idea, but I am leaning towards no.
Honestly the sin is in not letting the crew or the public know. The crew could have been alerted and told that they think there's about a 50/50 chance the shuttle re-orbits or you die on re-entry, and ask them how they want to proceed.
My brother had won a trip to Disney World, and he took my then 8yo son with him. Because of some crazy mix-ups with the travel agency, they were upgraded to 1st class, the Presidential Suite at The Floridian Hotel, private meals and meet and greets with Mickey and many other characters, and much much more. It was a total fantasy trip, once in a lifetime. What I remember is, it was the longest time I had ever been away from my son, and the farthest away as well. While I loved it for both him and my brother, I was climbing the walls with worry. Then nearly lost my mind when Columbia happened. 😱
When children is involved ALL ADULTS involved IS RESPONSIBLE!! The Children of Waco should NEVER been in those tragicies
To think of all those scarred by these events - that other events like these WILL continue to happen only proves that we can't learn from our mistakes, even & especially the worst ones.
And yet somehow his country could not give him the support and aid he deserved as a war veteran and indigenous member of the First Nations. Truly sad but what an awe inspiring warrior.
Crazy stuff
IT takes a lot to make me cry but that morning the shuttle crashed I went to my brothers house and crying my eyes out 😢
The Challenger crew was alive until the hit the ocean
Cult mentality. (*smh*) Eerily familiar here in 2024. 🙄
Sure is...the difference is we're all gonna pay. Not just the stupid ones in the cult
Exactly:
1. Supposed “adults” hiding in “safe spaces” with coloring books, teddy bears and hot chocolate.
2. Women shaving their heads and wearing blue bracelets and going celibate (for once in their lives) for their leaders.
Typical cult mentality. Typical leftists.
@@sweetsuszie No, the only ones who will be “suffering” are the stupid ones in the Democrat cult.
@@sweetsuszieyeah, they found their President Comacho. Idiocracy is real
@@BuconoirNo, we defeated your cult leader. Idiocracy is about to end.
But not to fear. There’s plenty of hot cocoa, teddy bears and coloring books in the local safe space where you can shave your heads and put on the blue bracelet.
I live in Tyler Texas one of the larger towns in East Texas. I remember that day vividly I was either in 10th or 11th grade it was a Saturday morning and I woke up to a sound that was like giant bowling ball rolling across the sky. It was amazing that no one on the ground was killed. Also my mom knew a family that was part of Jim Jones cult.
This shows really how simple a lot of humans are. Just cannot think logically.
Janet Reno was one of history's greatest monsters
15:03 look at the mug tho😂😂😂😂
12:44 "We, the government, have investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing"
It's curious how some folks only rant about the tyrannical government in Waco but ignore the parents turning over their girls to an old man.
I witnessed the launch of the Columbia as a 21 year old “newcomer” to the USA as close up as possible. It was the most amazing experience, and it broke up behind us while in the Dallas area on I-35 on our way to be stationed in San Antonio. I admit to be a techno/space junkie since the moon landing when I was 11 and watched it in amazement on our black and white TV in Germany in a tiny town close to Wolfsburg where my dad worked in the VW factory. I was glued to my small AM transistor radio praying for Apollo 13 while the moon was shining in my window So sad about America since I first set foot 😢
FBI 1000% started the fire at Waco
10:01 Man, Tom Brady has really let himself go since retirement.
Waco and Ruby Ridge both seem like a government overreaction.
I don't see them on the same level. Ruby Ridge definitely was. Waco? A cult that went to far. Should have resigned
Wasn't the shuttle called the challenger.....not Columbia
Two different missions. The Challenger exploded after takeoff due to freezing conditions and O rings problems. That mission had the teacher on board.
I fully realize Columbia and Challenger were completely different space ships, however, I always thought both broke up during takeoff.
One on takeoff, the one carrying the teacher, and the other on re-entry!
Imagine how their lives could have played out in an alternate timeline where they were not insane: jim jones could have become a prominent figure of the peace/equality movement and the coolest megachurch pastor in existence. Manson could have become a hippie icon, someone who was there when it happened, did it all and lived to tell the tale. he could have become a musician after all. His music wasn't bad, could have had a cult following (no pun intended)
No, they’re as horrific as I already knew.
6:23 "Military style weapons.." so what, Pikes? Axes? Swords? Poison darts? Large boulders? Slings? Wooden clubs?
He wasn’t wrong about the outside world
Someone get this man a comb and a shirt that fits.
Should Probably be Worried More Abowt Earth Than Space
What movie footage was used in the Waco siege story?
It's from a 2018 tv miniseries.
@@sdsures Named Waco right?
Jim Jones and Johnstown should serve as a warning.
What was the downside of providing the pictures of the Columbia?
Could the crew have done anything on reentry to mitigate the danger from the damaged tiles? Side slipped or something to prevent the heat build-up inside the wing?
It would be better without the AI narrator
I hear an AI voice, and I stop listening and go somewhere else. I hadn't watched this yet. Now I won't.
Another Jim Jones could do the EXACT same thing TOMORROW in Oakland/San Francisco. These people are STILL like children, ready to believe any preposterous lie. All we can do is hope that no one decides to take advantage of them like that again.
MAGA
First time I heard about the Great Molasses Flood I thought it was a joke, when someone said it really happened I laughed because it sounded funny to think of Boston covered in molasses. I was thinking it was just a sticky mess but as you learn more about it, you realize quickly there was nothing funny about it. It was more than 2 million gallons rushing through the streets at over 30 MPH, a couple dozen people were killed (can you imagine drowning as a thick molasses wave consumes you and clogs your nose, throat, etc? OMG), hundreds were injured, a bunch of horses died being stuck in the gooey, heavy river of syrup. In the wake of it, the property damage, the clean up-- it was a true disaster even though it sounds like it could be the title of a goofy children's book.
3:21 that’s not New Mexico that’s Texas and Louisiana
Members of the jury hugged Koresh because of his charism? How about their stupidity? The whole thing is insane; how could anyone believe such lunacy and allow that kind of community in their state?
I always thought the "Challenger Disaster" was inevitable; someday one of those rockets was bound to blow up. I was 25 at the time and felt that anyone who was surprised by it was woefully unprepared for adult life. Unfortunately, one of those people was a professor of mine.
Dan Aykroyd could play Jim Jones in a heart beat.
I thought Powers Boothe did a good job.
Colombia exploded over Dallas Texas and we saw it all. Ill never forget because i was at this thing where i was put against kids for how well i'd done and got awards.
Timmy, after two years, you’ve probably learned how ridiculous you were.
You left out Ruby Ridge.
People would rather bide their time at the cost of peoples lives rather than immediately take responsibility.
Maybe more than a quarter second between the last sentence of one segment and the first of the next.
Waco was really bad I had a relative who was an atf agent who had to raid the compound
Love the Three Houses music
David was a crazy man ,,,, and so where the flower😢
what about political disasters, these cause far more damage.....
Far
@@philwright2480
YES, far, far more damage....
(typo) 😁
You mean taxpayers money sent to fund wars in places we have no business aiding in? Or the fact that Americans see devastation from floods, fires, tornadoes and hurricanes and our government “can’t afford to help Americans”? Yes they do the worst damage to our country, but when politicians get rich while they are in office is a another issue that should be addressed
@@shanewoods1980
Hey...The USA signed up for all of those issues that you have depicted, so, why do you now cry?
@@albertchehade9916 ok…. Tell me how taxpayers signed up for that please? I’m just an Iraq/ Afghanistan combat vet that knows everything the government says isn’t true. So explain “why cry now” please. I want to hear your explanation of what “crying” is in your opinion. But I know that something like that won’t happen in the next 4 hopefully 12 years now little one!!
Didn't mention on that Timothy McVeigh used the Waco seige (gov't overreaction) as a excuse for his attack on the OKC bombing
I was involved in one of the lawsuit trials after the Branch Dividian siege in Waco and the things that came out were horrific. One of the children (a 10 year old girl) who were prevented from going back into the compound was found to be pregnant. It was later determined through DNA testing that the resulting child is the biological child of David Koresh, the Cult leader. It came out that he was having intimate relations with every female in the compound from the ages of 8 years old to mid 30's women. The Texas Department of Children's Services was also investigating child s3x abuse allegations when the FBI and ATF served the search warrant. The ATF had their raid planning session in the parking lot of the Mount Calm, Texas post office not realizing that one of the Cult members worked for the Postal Service at that location. He called to warn Koresh that the ATF was heading there to serve a warrant. When the ATF knocked on the door they were met with machine gun fire that killed 4 agents. The ATF had purchased several illegal weapons that had been converted into full blown machine guns from Cult members and were looking to search the property.
Describing North Korea, China, and N*zis as far left communists is funniest shit I've ever heard.
So um yea. The whole Koresh family line has insanity prominent.
I can't believe you didn't take that opportunity to clean up that missed quote from "drinking the Kool-Aid" because it was actually the cheaper brand flavor -aid the boxes were visible in the video taken of the 900 bodies in the days after the massacre so it should properly be "drinking the flavor-aid"
Did you just pause as soon as he said it because he said that 2 seconds later
They should have just assumed it had been damaged and rescued the Columbia crew.
There was no excuse for the Columbia tragedy. None.
I think that Jim Jones was mainly after power and control. Didn't he live in Guyana with the victims or did he live in San Fran? I was very young when it happened.
13:00 simultaneous locations? Brother… what?
Simultaneously in different locations*
I'd have to call you spin doctor
The thumbnail didn’t age well
Linda Hamm should have got 25 years in federal prison!
What kind of idiot refuses to gain every bit of information regarding an accident?
Waco is rather far from the Branch Davidian Compound, in Mt Carmel.
I must be old or senial or both wasnt the space shuttle explosion 1989?
NASA sounds like Boeing
My BIL was friends with Vernon Howell way back in the day . . . . .
AKA Koresh
All those people defending jim jones😡