I Hate Your Deck #25 Kyle Hill v IHYD Patron Zach || Commander Gameplay mtg

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    Show Notes:
    Our first time inviting a Patron of IHYD to play with us on our show, Zach who is 12 years old, he requested to play with Kyle Hill, both will be on our show today to play some commander!
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  • @avatarofpapermagic
    @avatarofpapermagic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1636

    Hey Lynch, as a father I love how you asked Zach at 15min if he is having fun. That's why I'm so keen to one day play with you, great players care about how their opponents are going and you always do that. Never change legend

    • @michaeldlynch
      @michaeldlynch 2 ปีที่แล้ว +297

      It’s important we are having fun. It is a game right? It’s all about fun.

    • @avatarofpapermagic
      @avatarofpapermagic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      @@michaeldlynch a game and a way of life 🍻

    • @batsumoto
      @batsumoto 2 ปีที่แล้ว +359

      I always ask the same after I put down my Winter Orb.

    • @IHateYourDeck
      @IHateYourDeck  2 ปีที่แล้ว +218

      @@batsumoto You are a monster lol.

    • @batsumoto
      @batsumoto 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      @@IHateYourDeck My friends know this. I'm practically a full time archenemy. 🤣

  • @captainfry9776
    @captainfry9776 2 ปีที่แล้ว +494

    " And you're going to lose again."
    Zach is out here casting Murder before the game even begins.

  • @fakename3168
    @fakename3168 2 ปีที่แล้ว +906

    This week on IHYD Kyle has to remind himself multiple times that attacking a child is illegal

    • @SovereignwindVODs
      @SovereignwindVODs 2 ปีที่แล้ว +66

      Attacking anyone is illegal. People just care more when it's a child. If he leapt over the table at Lynch it'd just be quality content

    • @antonius1788
      @antonius1788 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      he considered yeeting the child LUL

    • @flanbeau
      @flanbeau 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      While Lynch reminded everyone it's OK as long as you use a technicality to justify it. "Technically I was true to my words, I didnt attack you THAT turn."

    • @groundpork5435
      @groundpork5435 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      That whole "counter spelling the duel caster mage" stack was so confusing the way Kyle did it made perfect sense

    • @SovereignwindVODs
      @SovereignwindVODs 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@groundpork5435 yea, the way kyle initially did it made sense and would have netted him infinite mana. The problem was that he moved too fast. If he'd slowed down and checked for responses between spells they probably would have let the dual caster resolve and then it would have been too late to interact because he would be getting copies of the follow up spells.

  • @JStack
    @JStack 2 ปีที่แล้ว +590

    If Zach’s parents are reading this: It seems you’ve raised a very polite, educated, aware, and well spoken child. Genuinely warms my heart to see good kids having a good time

    • @2099arashiko
      @2099arashiko 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      must have missed the GD line. lol

    • @Crappuccino12
      @Crappuccino12 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      An awesome young man and his goddamn burnished hart. Jk Jk Zach actually seems like he'd be awesome to have in a commander game. And would probably beat my ass

    • @PraetorGix
      @PraetorGix 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      It also seems like dad is paying the patreon sub but the kid is having all the fun.

    • @guywood172
      @guywood172 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@2099arashiko Gees your delicate if that's what you're picking at.

    • @iskabin
      @iskabin ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And smart AF, me at 12 was eating sand or somethin

  • @pan2990
    @pan2990 2 ปีที่แล้ว +233

    Chris Hemsworth's body double, but just for the scenes where he gets punched.

  • @IHateYourDeck
    @IHateYourDeck  2 ปีที่แล้ว +575

    This is the last episode of SEASON 1, SEASON 2 starts in January with amazing guests and great spicy games. We want to thank everyone that came and supported us this year. We appreciate you. If you want to know how to support us consider joining our Patreon where you can also play magic with our amazing world wide community. www.patreon.com/ihateyourdeck
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    • @tablekunsbrother6040
      @tablekunsbrother6040 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      What about Joe?

    • @b2e297
      @b2e297 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @@tablekunsbrother6040 they made an agreed upon statement explaining on Twitter. Joe has a new channel called Tabletop Jocks that seems to do mixed nerd content, but is starting with D&D. Excited to see them both keep succeeding as a fan

    • @shanedubbs4830
      @shanedubbs4830 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      You guys took TH-cam by storm with your first season. I just want to thank you for all the great content you have created. Keep on with the great content in season 2.

    • @sanchezsebastian7
      @sanchezsebastian7 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You are amazing! Thanks for doing what you do. You make games feel real

    • @IHateYourDeck
      @IHateYourDeck  2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@shanedubbs4830 Season 2 will keep it going strong!

  • @shypenguin9766
    @shypenguin9766 2 ปีที่แล้ว +289

    As somebody who started playing magic when she was 8 years old, this reminds me of the tables that would invite me to play with them when they realized that I didn’t know anybody in the LGS. This warms my heart. Thank you Joe and Lynch.

    • @thejesteramongfools
      @thejesteramongfools 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I too started playing magic at 8 and D&D at 10 with all my nerd friends. But yes I can share in the nostalgia that is my younger days of my magic.

    • @mrj3711
      @mrj3711 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Without getting the younger generation involved the game dies.

    • @dontstealmydiamondsv3156
      @dontstealmydiamondsv3156 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Reminds me of how my sister would kick ass in prereleases at 14 or so (meanwhile my decks had no apparent win condition and atrocious mana curve haha). Good times

  • @Oneofthemisfits93
    @Oneofthemisfits93 2 ปีที่แล้ว +334

    Yo little dudes knowledge is solid. Super cool wholesome shit. Love that this show can hit both spectrums. Wild with the prof/posty to content like this. 👍

    • @IHateYourDeck
      @IHateYourDeck  2 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      Appreciate that. I loved having Zach on.

    • @unwucht1529
      @unwucht1529 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      exactly my thoughts. Great to see IHYD grow and develop in exactly the direction you are taking RN.

    • @IHateYourDeck
      @IHateYourDeck  2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@unwucht1529 Oh yeah, we'll bring him back.

    • @coolzog
      @coolzog 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Decent for a 12 year old (better than mine was for sure), however the nonsense with countering the dualcaster mage after it had already resolved and ghostly flicker was played and explained seemed a bit unfair to Kyle Hill and I feel the only allowed it because he's a kid.

    • @Skrotislol
      @Skrotislol 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@coolzog To be fair they've used take-backsies counters for more egregious things than that.

  • @RaunienTheFirst
    @RaunienTheFirst 2 ปีที่แล้ว +129

    "I just want to stick my commander once!"
    Zach, if there's one thing I've learned it's that if a deck relies on having its commander out, you do not let it have its commander out.

  • @faranr
    @faranr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +87

    the duality of "Are you having fun?" (14:50) and "I don't trust you as far as i can throw you... and I can throw you pretty far" (12:42) is completely the reason I love this channel! keep it up, hope to play with yall one day!

    • @IHateYourDeck
      @IHateYourDeck  2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Variety is important in nature and our show.

  • @Nobdythere
    @Nobdythere 2 ปีที่แล้ว +121

    Zach's hand motions remind me of the way pro players constantly shuffle their hands. Future champ in the making there.

    • @NVEmery
      @NVEmery 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      100%.
      Sharp draw, hand shuffling, the way he mills. He's damn mature for his age and it's refreshing seeing such a young person be so articulate with this game and it's difficult rulesets.

  • @maxleveladventures
    @maxleveladventures 2 ปีที่แล้ว +76

    Zach is so smart, funny, and charming. What a great little human! At 12, he already knows how to play the game better than most adults I play with-including myself 😂

  • @tylermorrison1595
    @tylermorrison1595 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    "Children, they're the future" had me rolling. Kyle's dryness is amazing

  • @blakemcconnell6213
    @blakemcconnell6213 2 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    This channel never fails to be phenomenal! Zach was incredible! His little curse slip was hilarious. He IS and WILL be a powerhouse for years to come.

  • @ryanburris8590
    @ryanburris8590 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    My God, that needs to be made to a meme template asap because I was dying. " Youuuu simple bitch" , I love you Goodwill brand Hemsworth.

  • @mees8711
    @mees8711 2 ปีที่แล้ว +178

    I believe Kyle did it right. 2 ghostly flickers would blink the dualcaster mage (which was resolved and already on the battlefield, without having copied anything) and a land with the first copy. Then the etb of the dualcaster would copy the ghostly flicker still on the stack, going infinite. He could then have chosen not to cast the ghostly flicker at all.
    However I choose to believe he went along with the table for sake of simplicity and nicity.

    • @jayvigg
      @jayvigg 2 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      Agreed. He was trying to say dual caster already resolved. He didn’t cast flicker with dual caster on the stack, he let the original dual caster etb fizzle and he was going for the flicker to get the etb again, so he would’ve had flicker in hand and 3 open mana.
      Still great game!!

    • @venomclay
      @venomclay 2 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      I'm surprised the off screen assumed judge was getting this wrong. The Mage just needed to be on the field already (original cast trigger is irrelevant), get flickered, and still see a flicker on the stack. The copy resolves and flickers it, so the Mage comes in and sees the original Flicker, which it copies (going infinite). The original target of the original flicker is no longer there, so the spell would normally fizzle, but it never gets a chance to try and resolve.

    • @valentinpoblete1940
      @valentinpoblete1940 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ur right

    • @kukivave
      @kukivave 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@venomclay I believe technically, it would also work if he flashed in dual caster in response to ghostly flicker, in which case he actually doesnt have to care about the Krark triggers.... the ghostly flicker cast, triggers the two Krark triggers, in response to the second krark trigger going on the stack, he casts dual caster.... dual caster copies the original spell on ETB.... as it's an ETB dual caster is on the battle field so is a legal target to target with the copy.... the original and the krark triggers never need to resolve.

    • @cwest1337
      @cwest1337 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      this triggered me beyond belief it was blatantly clear to me what the intention was. Dualcaster was resolved flicker was cast at sorcery speed and had the copies successfully happened it would have worked as stated however. If he just counters the ghostly flicker being targeted by the dualcaster then it ends the loop anyways.

  • @BornFromEmbers
    @BornFromEmbers 2 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    This kid understands the game pretty well actually. Everyone in my group is like 22 or older and some of the friends we started teaching to play still don’t fully grasp it. Seeing a 12 year old ball out makes me wonder if we are bad teachers or if my friends are just really dumb.🤣

    • @marciamakesmusic
      @marciamakesmusic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It's typically easier for kids to learn new things. It's why you rarely see prodigies who only develop their abilities in their 20s, most start when they're like 3.

  • @jamesharless6103
    @jamesharless6103 2 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    You can defiently tell lynch is a good father figure role model

  • @maxmage980
    @maxmage980 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Kyle's concerned con"science" is so funny to me after the omniscience.

  • @robertp.1746
    @robertp.1746 2 ปีที่แล้ว +228

    Zach's got skills. He understands board states and the stack better than most adults I play with 🤣.
    Looking forward to seeing if you got any new brews coming up for us in the next season! I like to play really well optimized and tuned decks so I get inspired by the decks you guys put together.

    • @Keratzis
      @Keratzis 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      unless the spell he wants to counter, has already resolved and wants to go back and put it on the stack. causing issues with Kyle

    • @robertp.1746
      @robertp.1746 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Lol like I said, he understands the stack better than most adults I know.
      I've met people playing for 10 plus years that still don't understand first in, last out, leads to some interesting rules conversations!

    • @Keratzis
      @Keratzis 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@robertp.1746 unfortunately it was missed that Dualcaster had resolved. The stack can get very confusing fast, so it’s always good to roll back to the start of the stack put the cards in that stack and then flip them over and resolve them that way, so it’s very visual for players who do better with a visual aid for learning

    • @Gizmachi
      @Gizmachi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It wasn't missed dual caster resolved just that there was a combo with him already on the field. He didn't counter it because he didn't know flicker was going to combo. Then went back so he could stop a combo he missed.

    • @Keratzis
      @Keratzis 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Gizmachi and at that point it was too late to counter DCM he would have needed to counter all 3 copies of Flicker on the stack

  • @aldennis123
    @aldennis123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    Zach is legit. He needs to be on more episodes. Total joy watching him and all of your reactions interacting with his good plays and call outs 😂 GG

  • @razielthedamn4301
    @razielthedamn4301 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Also Kayle: Stop resolving all Krark triggers before copies of a spell. You dont know how many copies you get before you choose targets and resolving them. You flip once, if you win and get a copy, you must choose targets for it first, resolve it. Then resolve trigger and flip for second, if you get a copy choose targets, resolve it then flip for third etc. You dont know how many copies you get before choosing targets for them. Resolving only one at a time and spell resolves before another copy is created. And original spell needs targets too.

  • @tsukikofudo3838
    @tsukikofudo3838 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    "I''ll play a god damned burnished heart""
    Relatable. Very relatable. I have had games where I play ten ramp spells and make every land drop 7 turns running and than die.

  • @brendonrichey
    @brendonrichey 2 ปีที่แล้ว +86

    This was a fantastic episode. Zach is a savage, I love it.

    • @techoutsider5631
      @techoutsider5631 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He was playing an awful lot of Burn for Dimir.

  • @M3WT-va
    @M3WT-va 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    This kid's got such a natural charisma about him and the skills to be a real threat even with a budget deck. When is he playing with Posty and Prof? Game Knights, get a hold of this kid. He's awesome.

    • @shawnblanton8867
      @shawnblanton8867 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes this would be hella fun matches!!

  • @tomikvrona1681
    @tomikvrona1681 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    33:52 The card cast with flashback gets exiled any time it leaves the stack, no matter why it left the stack.
    702.34a. Flashback appears on some instants and sorceries. It represents two static abilities: one that functions while the card is in a player's graveyard and another that functions while the card is on the stack. "Flashback [cost]" means "You may cast this card from your graveyard if the resulting spell is an instant or sorcery spell by paying [cost] rather than paying its mana cost" and "If the flashback cost was paid, exile this card instead of putting it anywhere else any time it would leave the stack." Casting a spell using its flashback ability follows the rules for paying alternative costs in rules 601.2b and 601.2f-h.

    • @awdawdawdawdawdawful
      @awdawdawdawdawdawful 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm a fellow krarkashima player and this is correct which is why we rub finale of promise and or mission briefing instead :)

  • @famousstranger8468
    @famousstranger8468 2 ปีที่แล้ว +159

    You need to bring zach back to play merfolk vs merfolk with the prof! Not only would that be amazing for us to see but I imagine little Zachory's mind will be blown

    • @benbarclay4239
      @benbarclay4239 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Haha idk tho I don't think I've ever seen one of prof's decks actually do anything on any youtube show. Probly Prof who's mind would get blown lol

    • @kylefleming7680
      @kylefleming7680 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@benbarclay4239 lmao, poor prof. Someday his decks will go off and maybe he will get some respect

    • @Ray_XII
      @Ray_XII 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@benbarclay4239 The solution: everyone plays one of prof's decks!

  • @Fr3akingNINJA
    @Fr3akingNINJA 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This kids a stud lol, he's got a deeper understanding of the game than half the adults I've played with

  • @MrPhilGee
    @MrPhilGee 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Man, the nostalgia seeing Zach in this episode is surreal.. I started playing Magic around 6 years old back in the Odyssey cycle days. Playing at such a young age, it can be daunting to hold your own for more than a few reasons. Especially in a multiplayer game with older players who have more value in their decks, & just have more time in the game than you do. BUT, nonetheless you see Zach doing some real things man! He's not letting himself get bullied, he's talking enough trash to show he isn't scared or shy, he's doing smart moves (politically & mechanically), he's garnering genuine respect at the table by being himself; it's so freaking awesome to see that. He's building serious skills because he has to work harder in game.
    It just brings me back to my own time of learning all these things in Magic: the levels, nuances, in all aspects of the games. I literally grew up playing MtG & you can see that with Zach. It's inspiring & fun to watch - so cool to see the next generation of players. One of the many beauties of Magic is the age-barrier doesn't exist because of the game & that a kid can have as much sway in said game as an adult; everyone is equal. That is truly showcased in this episode & that's why its one of the best episodes for me... thank you : )

  • @jeffryjones4695
    @jeffryjones4695 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Just wanted to point out that lynch had a propaganda out and joe didn’t pay for it when he attacked at 37mins in haha

  • @ajaydassani9931
    @ajaydassani9931 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    The combination of Zach and kyle was great.. very entertaining

  • @cantstopmygo420
    @cantstopmygo420 2 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    lol good guy Kyle not casting pyretic ritual over and over into a million bolts

    • @uwutioussterling3576
      @uwutioussterling3576 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Ikr, I loved how you can tell he knew he could win, but kept himself from it in order to not bore zack or make him feel like his counterspell was pointless ... Eitherway, good guy Kyle all the way.

    • @zavano92
      @zavano92 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ritual should be exiled. With flashback spells they are exiled and can not go anywhere else

    • @Robvides
      @Robvides 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@zavano92 one failed coin flip puts it back in his hand instead. only heads up copies will resolve. krark and clones has that built in protection/consistency/resiliency whatever you want to describe it as. only all heads would exile the original on flashback. so with ritual. its almost always mana positive, and goes back to hand. unless he hits all tails, then he loses mana. which is statistically not probable. increasingly so with more krarks.

    • @zavano92
      @zavano92 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Robvides this is incorrect. A card cast with flashback will be exiled no matter what. I can look up specific rules for it but it is a fundamental part of flashback

    • @Robvides
      @Robvides 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@zavano92 you're right. my bad.

  • @spliffi869
    @spliffi869 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Yay, as always happy to see a new episode of my favorite MTG show on YT - and once again really cool guests. That kid is hella smart for his age and Kyle is a legend. You can have him on the show as many times as you want I'll never get bored of him. Same goes for Posty, Prof, Cash.. wait, okay it goes for all your guests. Keep up the amazing work. I hate your decks, but I love y'all!

  • @DeadBodyMan
    @DeadBodyMan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    My kids are about this young man’s age. Great to see more young players to keep the game alive and not become a luxury game for old men. Also, he played very confidently and well.
    Also Also…. ARe wE eVeR gOnNa sEE wHoLesOmE sTaX LanD dEsTruCtIOn??!
    Edit: Zach knows how Phase works. Mad props!

    • @lightningstar-ng9tm
      @lightningstar-ng9tm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      considering Joe is leaving… we might never see it :(

  • @oldbones7726
    @oldbones7726 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fairly new subscriber here and have really enjoyed binge watching your season matches. It is great to see you invited Zach to participate in this match, loved the table banter and interaction. Seeing how well Zach held his own introduces us to the younger MTG talent. It makes me want to crawl under the table, curl up in a fetal position and hug a pillow. I hope you keep doing all that you are doing to introduce people to the game and am looking forward to your next season.

  • @kylarstern42
    @kylarstern42 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is my favorite episode yet! Lots of great banter and Zach absolutely killed it! Very knowledgeable about the game and interactions while also having some of the best banter you've had on the show yet! You should absolutely bring him back for more games!

  • @tomikvrona1681
    @tomikvrona1681 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    58:25 When you flashback a spell, it gets exiled any time it would leave the stack. You wouldn't put it in your hand for getting tails with Krark.
    702.34a. Flashback appears on some instants and sorceries. It represents two static abilities: one that functions while the card is in a player's graveyard and another that functions while the card is on the stack. "Flashback [cost]" means "You may cast this card from your graveyard if the resulting spell is an instant or sorcery spell by paying [cost] rather than paying its mana cost" and "If the flashback cost was paid, exile this card instead of putting it anywhere else any time it would leave the stack." Casting a spell using its flashback ability follows the rules for paying alternative costs in rules 601.2b and 601.2f-h.

  • @IceMetalPunk
    @IceMetalPunk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    "You know Notorious BIG, right?" Lynch, Biggie died 12 years before the kid was even born. Face it, man, we're all old and Zach should get off our lawns 😂

  • @froshtea
    @froshtea 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love this show! Everyone is just so pure in emotion and energy!! Lynch i will become your patreon just because your content makes me happy and laugh all the time! You have earned it man!

    • @IHateYourDeck
      @IHateYourDeck  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you!!! I hope you play some games in our discord!

  • @paulboulanger00
    @paulboulanger00 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome to bring in a younger patron/player. My old LGS was great for younger and new players. Thank you for doing this, I hope more content creators follow your lead!

  • @senken12
    @senken12 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Vanishing on Krark would make Krark phase back in at the start of Kyle's turn, because he controls the permanent that's phasing out

    • @Ukami117
      @Ukami117 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      This! They also misspoken and suggested a commander could be phased out forever if Lynch left the game. Phasing out and in is covered under the rules 702.26(a). Before the untap step any permanents controlled by the active player that are phased out phase in. So Krark would phase in before Kyle's untap step. Further note that [Oubliette] will not phase out a creature forever if the player controlling [Oubliette] leaves the game. The creature would phase in immediately upon the player leaving the game, because Oubliette is a "One-Shot Effect" (Rule 610). It is the same rational as the card [Cast Out] vs. [Journey to Nowhere]. Because, [Cast Out]'s return trigger resolves when the card ETBs the return happens no matter how [Cast Out] leaves the battle field (the return effect doesn't put a trigger on the stack). However, [Journey to Nowhere] actually puts a trigger on the stack when it leaves the fields because the return effect is a triggered ability triggered by [Journey to Nowhere] leaving the battlefield Note the language of the seconds paragraph "When" for 'Journey' vs "Until" for [Cast Out]. Meaning [Journey to Nowhere] is a triggered ability but [Cast Out] creates a "One-Shot effect" under rule 610 vs "triggered ability" Rule 603.

  • @angiepurse
    @angiepurse 2 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    Do you ever start watching a game and instantly think: this kid is going to kick their collective asses? I'm all of 5 minutes in and am convinced. Don't care who wins: Zach won.

    • @michaeldlynch
      @michaeldlynch 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Oh yeah. Just the way he handles cards. He won. I’ll invite him back for sure. He’s got more tricks.

    • @IHateYourDeck
      @IHateYourDeck  2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Zach is great right!

    • @laoxep
      @laoxep 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@IHateYourDeck Perhaps give him Joe¨s deck/s so that Joe still participates in your content?

  • @juancaicedo2007
    @juancaicedo2007 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It is crazy and amazing to see how you guys impact the community. Look it Zach been 12 years old and probably knows more than what I have learn in 2 years that I have been playing. This is what kind of things I love to see and get involve playing magic.

  • @whatgrowsontrees
    @whatgrowsontrees 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    man, the hand gestures in the preroll ad literally get me every time-- i love it

  • @thisguyIGOTOUNO
    @thisguyIGOTOUNO 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Kyle Hill is SO SALTY in this episode! 😂

    • @Squirrel_eater
      @Squirrel_eater 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't think he really was. They wanted to have a fun atmosphere, that was probably just an act

    • @thisguyIGOTOUNO
      @thisguyIGOTOUNO 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Squirrel_eater you watch the episode? My comment is for the algorithm! 😜

    • @Squirrel_eater
      @Squirrel_eater 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@thisguyIGOTOUNO if that's the case I will also feed the algorythm with my comment

    • @maximus574
      @maximus574 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Well he got robbed by a bad call by the judge off camera and the confusion of the stack. He also went along with the misplay to be nice.

    • @thisguyIGOTOUNO
      @thisguyIGOTOUNO 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@maximus574 lol it's not all about winning. But my comment was in response to the joke in the beginning of the game...

  • @davidmartin6381
    @davidmartin6381 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    “You’re right. He must be destroyed.” Lol

  • @Damnmeplease
    @Damnmeplease 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was lovely. Thank you for season 1 and I'm looking forward to whats to come.
    Kyler and that kid had the greatest energy. Awesome that you brought him on, big respect for that kid!

  • @thomasstenson7989
    @thomasstenson7989 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Loved that episode guys! Awesome guests and awesome game. Please keep up the great work, Merry Christmas to you and yours and Happy New Year!

  • @tinyguy8326
    @tinyguy8326 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    It was really nice of Kyle to let him walk it back that far.

  • @rossf8616
    @rossf8616 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Nice to see reminders that this is indeed a game kids enjoy too.

    • @IHateYourDeck
      @IHateYourDeck  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It’s so important to remember it’s a game. Let’s have fun.

  • @daytonaritcheson238
    @daytonaritcheson238 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So excited to see this!! Always look forward to new episodes probably one of my favorite shows keep up the hard work and the spice coming!

  • @thomasfox1959
    @thomasfox1959 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Loved watching how good everyone was with Zach, especially Lynch! Love your channel!

  • @dvdgomer
    @dvdgomer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    "Casting Tasha's Hideous Laughter 5 times" This man gets it

  • @lunarlight3131
    @lunarlight3131 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    this is all I wanted for Christmas thank you lynch!

  • @DylanDarkWorld2
    @DylanDarkWorld2 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is my favorite episode of IHYD by far! This kid is a magic FIEND! He was totally keeping up with every move you guys did and understood the magic lingo 100%. Watching him play with you guys was so wholesome and entertaining! Keep it up guys 👍🏻

  • @ludwigfleischhacker3673
    @ludwigfleischhacker3673 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    lynch makes sure it's the dopest content every time :D good game and nice to have a young patreon play a really cool budget deck. Thanks for season 1, keep up the good work and happy holidays!

    • @IHateYourDeck
      @IHateYourDeck  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks!! Excited for season 2!

  • @Oopsall
    @Oopsall 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Zach is such a cool kid. He's gonna go a long way knowing so much about magic at such an early age

  • @brandonbruder9306
    @brandonbruder9306 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    This episode was so wholesome and Zach is a legend.

  • @Junk-Troller
    @Junk-Troller 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Man I wish EDH and MtG content was this poppin when I was a teen. Great episode, can't believe it's only been one season of IHYD.

  • @jasonferguson9052
    @jasonferguson9052 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great to see a young player with such knowledge. Awesome job Zack and to the crew at IHYD

  • @emanueleduarte7118
    @emanueleduarte7118 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Linch you are the most sweet player I have ever seen on TH-cam. You really care about people and about how much fun they have during the game. Hope to see much more of this fair game next year! Hugs from Brazil 🇧🇷

    • @IHateYourDeck
      @IHateYourDeck  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It’s very important to me to bring back that kind of energy. It’s a game. We play with friends. Let’s have fun.

  • @Ghaz013
    @Ghaz013 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Zach was a legendary guest.

  • @CallmeCLUTCHjames
    @CallmeCLUTCHjames 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Merry Christmas everyone, can't wait untill the next year if content from you guys!

  • @soonfamous
    @soonfamous 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    17:00 Lynch is like the sports dad but for card games. Proud of you man :)

  • @Siridakis
    @Siridakis 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    "Flashback [cost]" means "You may cast this card from your graveyard by paying [cost] rather than paying its mana cost" and "If the flashback cost was paid, exile this card instead of putting it anywhere else any time it would leave the stack."
    I know it didn't matter in this match but a spell cast with flashback can't return to it's owner's hand because it is exiled after it leaves the stack instead of going anywhere else (not just if it resolves). So Kyle wouldn't be able to keep trying to make a lot of red mana over and over. (but as I said, he only did it once and got 1 net mana so it didn't matter)
    Now I must say this was one of my favorite episodes of season 1, I'd really love to see Zach again on the show and if possible, playing with the Professor (imagine that! @_@).
    Great game guys!

  • @nikolaslovric4557
    @nikolaslovric4557 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Zack is a king and I really enjoyed watching him play. Well done. Have him back!!!

  • @jamesgilley8024
    @jamesgilley8024 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Much love. You guys are amazing and playing commander with you guys will be a dream of mine. I hope you guys are doing well and merry Christmas.

  • @WeShallBattle
    @WeShallBattle 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just started playing Magic last week at 26 y/o after watching the channel for a couple of weeks and a week of Arena. Seemed like a good time so I bought my first precon commander deck, went to my LGS on commander night and went 2-0!! Thanks for introducing me to the world of Magic!
    Also Congrats Lynch on the movie!! What a dope project!

    • @michaeldlynch
      @michaeldlynch 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glad you are having fun. It’s an amazing game with lots of depth.

  • @pierpaolomercurio
    @pierpaolomercurio 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Zach was a very cool guest. Well done young man

  • @devistator1349
    @devistator1349 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Interesting play there on the whole take back on a counterspell to go back and counter the spell. I know he’s a kid, but he def showed enough table knowledge at the time to kind of eradicate that argument. I think using a counterspell after another spell has been cast on the stack is just a bad move in general. Kyle def made it clear that the dual caster mage had resolved and there was enough time in between spells to warrant not going back. It’s just a bad move in magic to go back and counter a previous spell after another is on the stack. The line of play was made distinct as well as he gave ghostly flicker flashback. So the combo line was made prevalent then. Once again, it was a kid so I get it, and Kyle was a good sport about it. I also feel like take back counters should be done at sorcery speed, or at least only on the players turn, to prevent really bad feels bade like this, or at least as soon as another spell has resolved you can no longer take back. It’s how we do it at my own table and it has really worked.

    • @chaosxombie
      @chaosxombie 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That interaction was interesting, because the way Kyle played it would have worked, but relied on winning a coin flip to blink the DC mage. It protected him from any singular counter-spell, as any won coinflips would still try to resolve even if the original is countered. The way they retroactively played it meant that it didn't rely on a coin flip, but made the combo more susceptible to being countered.

    • @NMS127
      @NMS127 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@chaosxombie The combo wasn't as good as Kyle said it was. He only would have gotten infinite mana, not infinite Dualcasters, since it was a flicker spell, not a token copy creator. Also, it would still have been possible to break it up with a single counterspell by waiting until the first flicker on the Dualcaster resolves and then countering the spell that the ability targets.

  • @Spacedcactus93
    @Spacedcactus93 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I saw the trailer for Dependent's Day somewhere completely unrelated and thought it looked really cool! Had absolutely no idea you were involved. Definitely gonna give it a watch

  • @hanzo138
    @hanzo138 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This video is really cool and shows one of the many reasons why I love this channel.

  • @GremlinsKilledChristmas
    @GremlinsKilledChristmas 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Kyle definitely could have gone for enough red mana and lightning bolts to kill table at the end of the game there 🤔. The game looked really fun!

    • @atk9989
      @atk9989 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      yea he should have flipped for mana until he got all heads

    • @yomommashaus
      @yomommashaus 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That would take longer than permanently giving -1/-1 to that 1/1 bird that returns to the battlefield when it dies...

    • @mtgkid0205
      @mtgkid0205 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      actually the ritual would have gone to exile and I had my counterspell which I could cast in response to the krark triggers but I do think that would have been a funny way to end

    • @kylefleming7680
      @kylefleming7680 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@mtgkid0205 If you are really Zach, then I wanna say I enjoyed watching your game and I wish the people I played with were half as cool as you! I look forward to seeing you on future episodes and maybe someday on game knights!

    • @mtgkid0205
      @mtgkid0205 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@kylefleming7680 yeah it's Zach. Thank you yeah that would be awesome

  • @TheGrifcannon22
    @TheGrifcannon22 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I put off watching this episode for a while because of recent events with Joe but Zach totally made it worth it. I was definitely hoping to see him resolve some awesome creatures with his Araumi deck. Can't wait for season 2, hopefully it will be nothing but positivity in the new year!

    • @michaeldlynch
      @michaeldlynch 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I’m so excited for you to see season 2!!!

  • @WorldOfPain666
    @WorldOfPain666 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    First time watching, this was awesome 👌. Keep up the good work. Oh and Tool rocks bro

  • @MitFruchtSaft
    @MitFruchtSaft 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This episode was dope and super fun to watch and Zach is a beacon of hope what great young human! Defenetly invite him again!

  • @blackoutgaming5798
    @blackoutgaming5798 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I was skeptical about the kid at first, but lil homie really knows his stuff lol, dudes turn 0 was great lol

  • @ianfyfield6292
    @ianfyfield6292 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Zach was such a fun part of the game, having more young people on who just want to crush adults with math would be a lot of fun. Maybe like a YouthV.Age two headed giant or something like that
    Edit: Oh also, your work is FANTASTIC, Lynch. Seriously, its reminding me why magic is so much fun

  • @docmidnight
    @docmidnight ปีที่แล้ว

    Lynch! I know it's 9 mos later when I'm watching this but I love your entire interaction with young Zach at the table there. As someone who has run public D&D games, sometimes with minors joining adults, you nailed the tone! This was a joy to watch!
    at a certain age, kids have the ability to "get the rules" of a thing but also not get social cues of dealing with adults in adult settings. You guys killed it here!

  • @jordyrakena8717
    @jordyrakena8717 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This kid was more interesting to watch then a lot of your other guests he was good to watch, hope to see more of him.

  • @monkeygame7
    @monkeygame7 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It didn’t really matter here, but for future reference, I’m pretty sure that a flashback card getting returned to your hand would still get exiled. The reminder text on the card isn’t the full rules text (I think reminder text has a little more leniency with its wording). From the gatherer ruling: “A spell cast using flashback will always be exiled afterward, whether it resolves, is countered, or leaves the stack in some other way.”

    • @NMS127
      @NMS127 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's correct.

  • @chadbrownlee3677
    @chadbrownlee3677 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Kyle Hill: "You... simple bitch." 😂😂😂

  • @frigginresulrum
    @frigginresulrum 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That whole Ghostly Flicker thing is EXACTLY the LGS experience I'm looking for.

  • @marieh6775
    @marieh6775 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I won't lie when zach threw out that GD i was like GUN-DAAAAAAMN! lol! It was a very fun game to watch and enjoyed to see your first patreon on the show. Hopefully y'all got some great stuff coming in season 2. Look forward to see the show continue growing even tho Joe is not with the show anymore. Thank you for putting out great quality wholesome magic content. REALLY REALLY HOPE to see Cass soon just simply because im a bears fan and he plays for them makes it all the better. Merry Christmas Lynch and everyone at IHYD as well all other people here. I hope everyone gets to have a great holiday.

  • @nelsikegaming
    @nelsikegaming 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "Did you see that?"
    "You're right he must be destroyed"

    • @dasniQ
      @dasniQ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      and then right after “BABY BABY” 😂

  • @PalaCannito
    @PalaCannito 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Zach = Future GOAT.
    Kyle = GOAT.
    Great episode!

  • @bobsaggington6720
    @bobsaggington6720 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really enjoy your show and iam looking forward to the next season! Awesome guests and how cool is the fact that your a film director Lynch haha

  • @joeypeters8996
    @joeypeters8996 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was such a wholesome episode! Smiled the whole way!

  • @brandonadair5156
    @brandonadair5156 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Lynch needs to play that Bruvac deck one of these days.

    • @Robvides
      @Robvides 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      thats tough. I don't think a rule 0 conversation will ever results in, let me play against the deck that has 27 cards that auto kill me if his commander is out. same reason Joe never got to play his Klothys land destruction deck. it just doesn't sound like a fun table, and literally anything else is preferable, even the Bruna Voltron.

  • @jasonlapre5361
    @jasonlapre5361 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Zach is a beast! Way to go buddy! much skill you have (yoda voice)

  • @FuglyDuckling13
    @FuglyDuckling13 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love, and am so happy to be part of, this community that IHYD is cultivating! These comments are so wholesome and supportive(both towards Zackand the creators), and the gameplay is so fun and positive and entertaining. Great vibes all around. Keep it up!!

  • @toctheyounger
    @toctheyounger 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was a great wholesome episode. Kyle is always great and Zach did super well, he's a tight player. Really cool to see Lynch check in with him too, thats the sort of thing I appreciate as a dad myself.

  • @shaneingram3197
    @shaneingram3197 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I've had that thumbless deck for awhile now its fun but if you go it ends up being solitary so I don't play it often cus it can be long time to win but you have to sit and watch me work it out kinda deck.

  • @dinklebob1
    @dinklebob1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    I'll admit, when I first saw Zach I thought this was going to be straight cringe, but holy snap this kid is dynamite. Not only does he play the game with a decisive understanding of mechanics, but he's got the bants too! I'd love to see more Zach in future episodes.

  • @ShotterJ
    @ShotterJ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’d like to imagine at 16:23 when the kid asks about swords to plowshares joe purposefully flashed his hand to the camera. Had me laughing

  • @GIANTCADET
    @GIANTCADET 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was skeptical at first, but Zach knew his dang stuff. Good game and I’m excited for what you do in season 2, lynch. Merry Christmas.

  • @The_MechaGojira
    @The_MechaGojira 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    That Zack seems pretty familiar.
    I think I played FNM Draft with him several times when he was with his father for the summer? If he is the kid I think, he pretty much won all, but one week 😅

  • @chadtrudeau8132
    @chadtrudeau8132 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t it too late for Joe to even try to Swords Bruna? He would have had to do it with Bruna’s ability on the stack, as attaching the auras was part of the ability resolving. Therefore, Joe couldn’t have used swords after he saw what was being attached, because Bruna had protection from all colors by then.

    • @kukivave
      @kukivave 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I believe that's what they said he had to respond to in the episode and let him do it.

    • @Siridakis
      @Siridakis 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      My thoughts exactly

    • @chadtrudeau8132
      @chadtrudeau8132 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@kukivave I think you’re right, but it was too late for a “take backsie” at that point because of new information gained.

    • @IHateYourDeck
      @IHateYourDeck  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Basically yeah, he technically should have gotten a take-backsies counter for that.

    • @chadtrudeau8132
      @chadtrudeau8132 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@IHateYourDeck Cool beans. It doesn’t really change the game any, I just wanted to make sure I understood the interaction correctly. Thanks for the reply!

  • @jkink6974
    @jkink6974 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You guys are amazing people I had to subscribe after this wholesome episode

  • @PawzBrownMTG
    @PawzBrownMTG 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This was a great way to end the year nice job. Keep staying Pawzitive guys