22:00 There is a big difference between understanding the reasons for Arabs rejection of Jewish claim and respecting them. It's like saying we need to "respect" the reasons for slavery, discrimination, subjugation, Jim Crow etc.
I'm not sure I agree with Einat that it's a tall order to ask the Arabs (Palestinian and other) to accept that the Jews have the right to be there as well. Perhaps it was a strange idea to most of them at the beginning, but now after 100 years of conflict in which they failed to defeat zionism, it's time to accept that Israel is not a temporary aberration, but it's there to stay and is not going anywhere, and that it is there by right and not just might. So no, it's not a tall order, certainly not anymore. Is it a tall order to ask the native Americans to accept that the descendants of European settlers have the right to be there? And those settlers couldn't even claim they "came home" or claim any historical connection to pre-Colombian America.
Arabs have 22 countries in which to realize their National aspirations. I do not believe that Israel needs to take that responsibility upon itself. I think that Israel needs to offer a pathway to citizenship to every individual who was born there that includes speaking or learning Hebrew, a background check if necessary, and military service.
Clean Water Nasenyi Uganda - it won’t matter if they had 159 nations to realize their national aspirations. You stoled their land. The land needs to be returned and they need to be compensated for their suffering. Since the Zionist Plan is to steal the land between the Euphrates and Nile rivers. There is plenty of land that they may have that isn’t owned by anyone. Eretz Yisrael Hashlem. There is enough land in that region for Jews to have that’s no owned by anyone.
@@geraldburchell8462 The Arab Palestinian claim is neither exclusive nor superior. The sooner they accept that and stop seeking the defeat of zionism and Israel, the sooner the conflict will end. It's not about land or borders or resources or refugees or settlements or terrorism or occupation of West Bank. It's about the Arab Palestinian total rejection of the Jewish legitimacy in any part of historic Palestine/Land of Israel. When that rejection (basically anti-zionism) ends, the conflict ends. And for as long as the Palestinians continue to try to defeat Israel and replace it with the Arab state, instead of creating the Arab state next to it, Israel will stand firm and fight against it. PS. You wrote: "Since the Zionist Plan is to steal the land between the Euphrates and Nile rivers." There was never such a plan, like there never was a plan to dispossess local inhabitants. If a few radicals on the zionist fringe ever voiced such ideas, it was never a mainstream zionist idea, and was never the idea entertained by any of its founders or any Israeli government. They were even willing to accept partition of historic Palestine (from Jordan River to the sea) that was promised to them in its entirety by the League of Nations, so obviously they were not claiming the land "between the Euphrates and Nile rivers". This is just fact and evidence free nonsense
@@robertleffel3156 your absolutely wrong. Israel is laying claim to the entire muddle east. It’s called the greater Israel movement. The current Strategy is called PNAC at the pentagon and ODed Yinon plan for a greater Israel. Both plans where worked out extensively by the late ODed Yinon and Condoleezza Rice. If you don’t know about Israel wanting to expand it borders to the Euphrates and the Nile. Then you don’t know anything about Zionism. Zionist have no legitimate right to steal Palestinian land.
Einat, Hamlet: "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, / Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Indeed, the complex human genome is far beyond the comprehension of mankind and unimaginable in the cesspool of ancient religious dogmas. All the religions in human history -- Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Judaism, Christianity, Islam et al -- were founded upon and exploited the boundless ignorance of the illiterate masses for the benefit of the few. Christianity, Judaism, Zionism and Islam continue that exploitation and enslavement of same ignorant fools to this day.
It is simply not true that people who have a sense of "self", identities or ethnicities, have any "right" to become sovereign, or "nation states". People who found a nation, have a right to have any sense of personal identity they like, but they have no right to transfer such an identity on a state, and they need to adjust their concept of nation in order to define it in a way that is inclusive of all its citizens. Therefore, a nation may not be connected to a single "ethnicity", and even less to a religion. Would you accept that the USA defined itself as a the country of "Saxon White North Americans"? There is actually no concept of "equality" at the root of Zionism. Since no other nation has any "right" to define itself in the ethnic-religious terms and exclusivist terms such those that define Jewish identity. Nations ("peoples") actually should define themselves in ways that are inclusive of multiple ethnicities, religions, identities and open to change through time, and most states are so. And there are many "peoples" that claim some disctinctive identity, that don't have any sovereign state.
Gabriel As long as everyone is equal before the law is all that matters. Almost all nation states have a cultural majority that defines the character of the state - the national holidays, the anthem, the symbols etc. Do you find it offensive that many Islamic majority countries have Islamic symbols in their flags above every government building, potentially offending their religious minorities? No, you probably dont. To expect Israel to be a utopian culture blind, secular pluralist democracy is just fantasy. No country has or ever will suppress its own predominant culture. As long as everyone is equally protected in law is all that matters.
Charlie Spider No it’s not. Where in the constitution or in any law does it say the country is secular humanist? I dont think there’s a country in the world that self identifies as “humanist”.
always great to see and hear Dr. Einat Wilf !
She's a goddess. Shalom ✡️🕎 Watching from London UK 🇬🇧
peace to israel AND to Palestine
22:00 There is a big difference between understanding the reasons for Arabs rejection of Jewish claim and respecting them. It's like saying we need to "respect" the reasons for slavery, discrimination, subjugation, Jim Crow etc.
I'm not sure I agree with Einat that it's a tall order to ask the Arabs (Palestinian and other) to accept that the Jews have the right to be there as well. Perhaps it was a strange idea to most of them at the beginning, but now after 100 years of conflict in which they failed to defeat zionism, it's time to accept that Israel is not a temporary aberration, but it's there to stay and is not going anywhere, and that it is there by right and not just might. So no, it's not a tall order, certainly not anymore.
Is it a tall order to ask the native Americans to accept that the descendants of European settlers have the right to be there? And those settlers couldn't even claim they "came home" or claim any historical connection to pre-Colombian America.
Arabs have 22 countries in which to realize their National aspirations. I do not believe that Israel needs to take that responsibility upon itself. I think that Israel needs to offer a pathway to citizenship to every individual who was born there that includes speaking or learning Hebrew, a background check if necessary, and military service.
Clean Water Nasenyi Uganda - it won’t matter if they had 159 nations to realize their national aspirations. You stoled their land. The land needs to be returned and they need to be compensated for their suffering. Since the Zionist Plan is to steal the land between the Euphrates and Nile rivers. There is plenty of land that they may have that isn’t owned by anyone. Eretz Yisrael Hashlem. There is enough land in that region for Jews to have that’s no owned by anyone.
@@geraldburchell8462 The Arab Palestinian claim is neither exclusive nor superior. The sooner they accept that and stop seeking the defeat of zionism and Israel, the sooner the conflict will end. It's not about land or borders or resources or refugees or settlements or terrorism or occupation of West Bank. It's about the Arab Palestinian total rejection of the Jewish legitimacy in any part of historic Palestine/Land of Israel. When that rejection (basically anti-zionism) ends, the conflict ends. And for as long as the Palestinians continue to try to defeat Israel and replace it with the Arab state, instead of creating the Arab state next to it, Israel will stand firm and fight against it.
PS. You wrote: "Since the Zionist Plan is to steal the land between the Euphrates and Nile rivers." There was never such a plan, like there never was a plan to dispossess local inhabitants. If a few radicals on the zionist fringe ever voiced such ideas, it was never a mainstream zionist idea, and was never the idea entertained by any of its founders or any Israeli government. They were even willing to accept partition of historic Palestine (from Jordan River to the sea) that was promised to them in its entirety by the League of Nations, so obviously they were not claiming the land "between the Euphrates and Nile rivers". This is just fact and evidence free nonsense
@@robertleffel3156 your absolutely wrong. Israel is laying claim to the entire muddle east. It’s called the greater Israel movement. The current Strategy is called PNAC at the pentagon and ODed Yinon plan for a greater Israel. Both plans where worked out extensively by the late ODed Yinon and Condoleezza Rice. If you don’t know about Israel wanting to expand it borders to the Euphrates and the Nile. Then you don’t know anything about Zionism. Zionist have no legitimate right to steal Palestinian land.
@@geraldburchell8462 you need to have you head examined dude
Einat, Hamlet: "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, / Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Indeed, the complex human genome is far beyond the comprehension of mankind and unimaginable in the cesspool of ancient religious dogmas. All the religions in human history -- Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Judaism, Christianity, Islam et al -- were founded upon and exploited the boundless ignorance of the illiterate masses for the benefit of the few. Christianity, Judaism, Zionism and Islam continue that exploitation and enslavement of same ignorant fools to this day.
It is simply not true that people who have a sense of "self", identities or ethnicities, have any "right" to become sovereign, or "nation states".
People who found a nation, have a right to have any sense of personal identity they like, but they have no right to transfer such an identity on a state, and they need to adjust their concept of nation in order to define it in a way that is inclusive of all its citizens.
Therefore, a nation may not be connected to a single "ethnicity", and even less to a religion.
Would you accept that the USA defined itself as a the country of "Saxon White North Americans"?
There is actually no concept of "equality" at the root of Zionism. Since no other nation has any "right" to define itself in the ethnic-religious terms and exclusivist terms such those that define Jewish identity. Nations ("peoples") actually should define themselves in ways that are inclusive of multiple ethnicities, religions, identities and open to change through time, and most states are so. And there are many "peoples" that claim some disctinctive identity, that don't have any sovereign state.
Gabriel As long as everyone is equal before the law is all that matters. Almost all nation states have a cultural majority that defines the character of the state - the national holidays, the anthem, the symbols etc. Do you find it offensive that many Islamic majority countries have Islamic symbols in their flags above every government building, potentially offending their religious minorities? No, you probably dont. To expect Israel to be a utopian culture blind, secular pluralist democracy is just fantasy. No country has or ever will suppress its own predominant culture. As long as everyone is equally protected in law is all that matters.
@@mcbudget Israel IS a secular humanist state
Charlie Spider No it’s not. Where in the constitution or in any law does it say the country is secular humanist? I dont think there’s a country in the world that self identifies as “humanist”.
@@mcbudget countries which observe human rights are humanist. Israel has no constitution. Zionism was a secular humanist project
@@mcbudget ...Israel could do better on the "secular" aspect of its existence I must say. Do away with religion in personal status matters for example
Don't u understand doctor, the Jewish people are not allowed to live in the promise land because of God, he has prohibited you to live there
God works in mysterious ways. It looks like he changed his mind.
Love her evil eyes
I'm afraid I agree. Maybe she's a kind person, but her eyes and also her demeanor are very creepy. I'm sorry to admit this.