DO OLD EVOS HOLD THE SAME WEIGHT AS MODERN EVOS? | RUN THE MINDSET EP. 12
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ม.ค. 2025
- Run the Mindset is podcast where I interview amazing people in the FGC where I ask them all kinds of questions, including some they'd never been asked before. Let me know if you guys like this series and let me know who you want me to interview next!
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This was a pleasure ✊🏾💯
The editor cooked btw 🔥
You ain't fooling no-one. I know you talking about Perfect Legend in the convo.
@@Darkleo0991 nah I’m not
41:00 Yeah, that 2010 Evo Grand Finals was epic, and got me wanting to finally try the game. When i started watching FGC content (like 2011), i used to hear Justin's name all. the. time. Even though I didn't see him play yet. Then much later on i saw the 2009 Evo Grand Finals, was like DAMN this shit is hype too. Yeah they definitely inspired a lot people (and gotta shout Ricki Ortiz -- that GF was fire).
Bro, Usher is in Korea regularly with various groups as well as other ATL and LA rap/R&B producers. It’s been this way for years. There was a Kpop idol who had cornrows awhile back haha. They know.
Rob we need you to cook up those big ass calls for SF6 like you did for SFV
I'll never forget Sanford go off
I remember meeting Rob a few years back randomly at a gym. Super friendly guy who was knowledgeable and helpful towards me and friend for getting into the local FGC scene. What a legend🙌
Man, these are by far the best interviews in the FGC. It's just like 2 buddy's talking the shit. Keep'em coming bro. An MVC2 conversation with Chris Matrix would b hella dope.
Yes a Chris Matrix interview would be proper fr
I'm assuming you've already seen it, but episodes 31 and 32 of No Frillz (Yipes and Matrix) had Justin on. Possibly the two greatest FGC podcast episodes of all time.
@jon630 yeah that Naruto discussion had me dying yo lol
IMO, I liked the old FGC a lot more. The passion was there, no worrying about offending sponsors, the feuds felt real, the trash talk and personalities were peak and there was something magical about that era. Now all the high production and presentation and holding things in arenas feels "grander" but also soulless. The pursuit of that e-sports money came at the cost of losing something much more unique.
Yea I kind of hate what became of the fgc , this whole esports vibe and devs catering to the audience instead of player experience is wack .
I laughed out loud at the Comfortably Numb commentary, it's one of my favorite songs of all time, and hearing Rob call it ass just warms my heart.
Love these gentlemen.
Speaking of being realistic with FGC dreams, I recently learned that Nephew is a Software Engineer for Google.
Edit: WAS a Software Engineer
Was. He recently quit to go full time FGC
@@uncannyAce Wow, word?
@@chillbro2275word
He’s more on the content side not just player
yea he quit when he got the liquid sponsor lol
justin is such a good interviewer dont matter the guest its always entertaining. and i also learned a lot about rob i didn't know he used to cook like that.
You should interview Filipino Champ
That's a great fucking idea!!
Facts
godlike interview
Justin, I appreciate this interview with Rob. The peek behind the curtain is always a pleasure. It's always interesting to hear about the influence that had an impact on how someone is today. For example, Rob being real with regards to his roots. I can appreciate that. That's why he is who he is, today.
Thanks Rob, for sharing some of your time with all of us. Love and continued good fortune from Chicago. ❤
how is rob becoming the interviewer lol. love this dude
its in his blood lmao
Great episode. I just wanted to say that when I first heard Shut Down by Blackpink, I was blown away because you guys talked about inspiration, but the whole beat that makes it so catchy is sampled from the final movement of the Violin Concerto No. 2 in B Minor, Op. 7, by Italian composer and violinist Niccolò Paganini "La Campanella." Arguably, it is one of the best pieces in classical music, and to be hit with it at the beginning of my K-Pop listening journey was a surprise, to be sure, but a welcomed one.
🤣The Justin run took me out. Love this run the mindset series, been tuning into every one. Keep it up!
Dude! Again. Every one if these videsos is awesome. Thank you
LTG Jumpscare omg
from this comment i thought bro was going to get interviewed
Justin has the BEST FGC interviews no lie. Respect
these videos are just justing trying to get his friends to like kpop xD
That race was hilarious! hahahahah Tournaments are so much fun cuz of stuff like this.
"He's picky cuz he plays guitar" hahaha that's a great pun.
This was pure entertainment. More please. Can’t wait for the Hollywood! Rob VS Brian (please don’t choke) F match.
hold up, this interview is kinda fire!
Yo, a Honda ad with Team Liquid. I wish there was a special version, like Type R for Acura.
Justin car wash a hood classic I will give you props for watching house party though definitely a hood classic
Iv followed Rob tv for years and he never got the credit he deserved off his game play. 3rd behind Idom punk that’s crazy results. Amazing at hosting and comes with the energy and the shit talking
just listening to this and what jwong said about tokido cracks me up cause bro just won the most stacked tournament to date
Funny yall mentioned the correlation between learning FGs and doing better in school. Out of all my homies, I was the best FG player, because I knew how to practice, even back when there was no practice modes lol. And of all my friends, I did the best in school, like straight A’s without studying much. I never thought about me learning FGs ever helping me in school, but I think it did in retrospect!
But unlike yall, I stopped competing. I started when I was 12yo, and stopped after college. I never won a major like yall, so I knew I had to fix my priorities.
Infiltration is my goat the way he came out and played Akuma in 4 blew my mind and then in sfv he had Juri, Chun, and Ed doing work.
Infiltration won Evo 2016 with Nash actually
@57:06 Based on the look on his face, I don't think that Rob was ready for Justin's answer. Justin showed that his love of fighting games, and his integrity, mean more to him than his ego. Some of us work hard to find satisfaction, some of us work hard to find status. People fueled by satisfaction (love of the art & the sport) know that success is available to us all, so they cultivate success in others. People fueled by status see success and celebrity as the same thing, to them it is a finite resource, so they hoard it, & try to control others, and miss out on all the love they could have cultivate with the people they saw as that's to their status.
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I was just talking to a friend, we enter some online Fightcade tournaments, and those tournaments with 20 people are WAY harder than Evo 2008, the skill level has changed astronomically. That is not any insult to past Evo Champions, they hold equal weight since they were the previous champions and there will be many more champions in the future.
To me its hard to compare, people back then were pretty much at a handicap compared to today. The fact that those people were able to get so good despite all the limitations of the time says a lot. Players today are way better but they were spoonfed all the frame data and combos, when before it was like going into the forest and bashing rocks together trying to make fire lol.
@@KarlosMarkos 100% agree with you. The fact that Frame data is all available on release is why I don't like new games.
@@pyramidal_ancestorsI don't really get the distaste for available frame data but sure
@@azurepixels Did you play fighting games before that was a thing? I'm assuming not, right? The difference is you got to see who could figure out things on their own, and who was a natural player. Everything now is pre-digested for everyone and there is generally much more a "right" and "wrong" way to play.
@@pyramidal_ancestors I did play before that was a thing, or at the very least before I even knew such a thing existed since I was still a very casual player unaware about the FGC at large
After giving it some thought, I realize that yeah, there's some merit and a lot of fun to be had by having people just have to figure stuff out by themselves, and it makes a player REALLY stand out if they're very knowledgeable on the game
But at the same time that there's people that really enjoy that process, there's also people who would rather not spend THAT much time labbing just to figure basic fundamentals
I kinda find myself in the middle, I enjoy figuring stuff out by myself, but I also don't really have that much time to spare labbing and studying a game anymore
And I do think that this change in recent games is less the fault of frame data being readily available, and more of a consequence of our current age, cause even if that stuff wasn't available in-game, it would just be a matter of time until someone would do the research and then post that stuff online for everyone to be able to just look it up (and that's how I did when I started taking Tekken back in T6/TAG 2 a bit more seriously, I'd just look it up)
Although it is a shame that that era of people figuring stuff out by themselves is gone before I got the chance to be a part of my local FGC to experience that, it would have been really cool
CLEVELAND IS DEFINITELY IN THE HOUSE!!!
This is good energy right here
Of course they do. Everything builds off what happened in the past. It's difficult to emulate what pros do but it's another thing all together when you're the first of your kind, people who break through to win EVO truly are evolving the scene each time. Every year is a new Evolution. Like you wouldn't have the Car without the Wheel, ya dig?
Hollywwwoooooood. Hollywood Swinging
This episode is 🔥 🔥 🔥
Damn I’m not old but hearing car wash took me back😭😭
damn, ending with a challange! this was a real good one lmao
salute @HollywoodRobTV! Never met him but we from the same hometown and I consider Rob a huge inspiration and motivator in my personal life. truly makes me believe anything is possible 🙏🏿 much love bro
the fgc does allow content creators to thrive believe it or not, low tier god is one of the best examples of that
great video glad to see hollywood on here
I'm trying to get that wind lollll haha Justin is the boy man 🫡 haha
Definitely enjoyed this interview with BIG HOLLYWOOOOODDD!! 💪🏾 Im glad he found what he enjoys and hes doing an excellent job at it
at the end of the day, BLACKPINK is thraxxx 🤘🏾
Series is so fireee🎉😊
No one would know or care about EVO without justin vs. Daigo.
Mvc2 built evo
I wouldn't go as far as to say "no one" but I would say "The world" wouldn't know about it.
you let him flip the interview on you justin!!! CMON lol
Of course the old evo's hold the same weight. Why? Because when evo was called "Battle by the Bay" in which I attended all the time, we didn't have technology like youtube, online frame data, online, training, etc. Everything we learned at the game was done via the arcades for nearly a year spending hundreds if not thousands of dollars a year practicing getting better before the game came out on console. A lot of the frame traps, combo's broken stuff people found were hours and hours of training and playing with each other.
Modern weight evo might have more exposure and competitors but they have it easy in terms of learning the game, frame data, and costs like free online play to against many people as you can, it doesn't have the weight that OG's had to go through in order to get better.
Them chairs with different height feels so weirdly funny lol
Hold up! This video kind of fire 🔥
THAT "hollywood" came from the Shaft movie with SLJ
I disagree with most of the early comments, older EVOs are hard to compare with modern EVOs.
Not only was the competitive pool smaller for the tournament themselves, the worldwide competitive scene was so disconnected from each other that any gap in game knowledge and tech could take you far unless you faced a player from the same scene as you or who happened to lab your strategies. Perhaps "solved" games where everyone knows the answer to most situations are not as exciting to watch. But when Japan often got the same game years before the US, developed their scene, and come to EVO just to clap everyone else with tech they have never seen or labbed against?
Come on... how is it comparable to a modern EVO tournament where the playing field is leveled without those huge knowledge gaps?
I mean even after they level the playing field japan still won most EVO back in SF4
this is the his writing is fire guy!!!
The racing video is so good
If we're talking the GOAT of general fighting games, and including modern era players, I think the conversation starts with Arslan Ash before even touching Mena or any of the new modern SF players.
The older SF players that have transitioned to modern era definitely got a case though.
Car Wash? The movie from the 1970’s? They made a remake?! When?!!
THAT's the one I was thinking of hahahah
The closest thing I can think of is The Wash from 2001. Starring Snoop Dogg and Dr Dre.
That was a good ass interview!
It was beyond buzzing it was deadass
Them shoulder caps are real.
I've started watching Rob doing music reactions and fell in love with his personality. Didn't even know he used to play competitively 😱
Justin said "WWF" --- yeah man that feels normal. No shade to current orgs though.
Justin just did a video with Mike Ross and Xian, they only have 30k subs, we can do better than that. They deserve way more.
Big rob!
The interviewer ended up being interviewed here. 😆
This guy is so good.
Nice interview
Damn, I thought everything was sweet in LA. Nevermind.
Old Evo's definitely hold the same weight. To learn the tech needed to be a top player you had to through the grinder at the arcade.
*more weight
Hilarious Interview
When did Rob TV find out about the FGC?
I will never forget going to Evo 2023 and my short black ass was mistaken for Rob TV by someone kina cute and I was on the verge of wanting to gaslight when I didnt know who Rob was
It's Called Bougie. New Name "Bougie Hollywood".
ayo, where is combofiend at? LOL
Why Rob remind me of a young Unc Shannon Sharpe 😂
Yo are you from Cincy?
we got rob reacting to blackpink pack it up boys
I would assume they got away with paying so little for the tv show because it was a reality show.
10000 hour rule
Bro, this interview is as goated as you J dawg.
Realistically, modern Evos are more of an endurance run, but youre seeing the same players when it comes down to it anyway.
In the 3S/CvS2 era, you still had to beat Tokido and Daigonif you wanted a win. And the monsters then like Bas that y'all don't even know about now.
And for Marvel, there's literally no difference since it's always been an American game.
I'd also add.. however good people are at the new ganes due to the modern flow of information.. we also got to sit with games for 5+ years. No patch. There's a familiarity and intimacy with the games (and the players) then that added an element that can't be recreated.
Yeah. It seems like back in the day, when info couldn't pass across oceans and what not, it was interesting to see the regional metas duke it out in a big tourney.
of course punk fast he from philly
Rob you look like you training for the square up with LTG. Great vid bros!!!
Old EVOs: 400 players enter with about 200 who are really good.
New EVOs: 4000 players with about 200 who are really good
Back in the day only the most dedicated players showed up to big tournaments, now many people go for the convention experience and enter a game or two just for fun
Naw bro it’s a lot more really good players now than u think especially wit all the international representation
New evo is closer to 5000-7000
@@Outtabullets2800yeah look at Evo 2010, Floe got 9th, I'm not saying he was a bad player, but don't think that would have happened these days
LOW TIER GODDDDD
Kpop stars ain't singing live while dancing at least like 90% of the time.
The kpop/jpop industry is a souless machine that just shits out whatever sticks. I can't get behind anything they make knowing that.
Li joe made top8 evo in sf5 lol mike Ross got top4 @ evo in sf4 people forget these are 5000 to7000 man tournaments in sf6 off that alone . It would be harder it’s a simple but true argument. Sf5 is arguably the worst modern street fighter
Stealin my nickname lol, I been Hollywood for almost 20 yrs now lol... also, best be givin' out a lot more than 600 bucks to ahve to deal with LTG in person, cuz just no.
Old evoz are better than modern evos thats my opinion
Rob dont like pink floyd damn. Well everybody has their taste i guess
Nah he kinda showed his true colors here, "we don't listen to that where I'm from" really sets a racist tone whether Rob is aware of it or not.
@Choom89 hmmm i didnt really think about it like that, I simply was surprised
No tournament has mattered or ever will matter again after USF4 @ EVO 2015. That was when fighting game lore ended.
For me its evo 2k8 forever have a place in my heart I was close in it and my buddy made it to grand finals vs jwong I was right there next to the stage coaching him to switch to mss man I miss my fgc being a father is tough
Hahahah I feel the nostalgia too, friend.
I'm with you there buddy
What a wild take
I think you should treat the FGC like the NBA . We don’t discredit Bill Russell’s chips . We know he was a tremendous talent with a league that isn’t as talented but they still had killers . I think the same case can be said in our scene
Basically the quality of killer is the same but there’s more killers now due to the scene growing & becoming more popular
If anything I feel modern evos don’t hold the same weight as old evos 🤷♂️ anything after around 2013 has gone downhill
In what sense? I feel like the competitive level is certainly higher because of the two huge player pools at Evo/Evo Japan. But the professionalization of the games added to the number of major tournaments makes Evo feel less special.
I feel most of it has to do with the fighting games itself. It's a lil to simplistic. There's no spark that makes 1 player and character so unique than another. Like the Daigo parry a prime example. Though players back then knew how to parry and everyone could do it. To do it in a finals against 1 of the hardest supers to counter knowing how precise you had to be really gave it that NO WAY moment. It's no surprise that people think back then was better because the game&rosters were unique. Not saying this diminishes a pro players skill but it is true when everyone has access to everything it really falls on tier list making finals more predictable and fights less exciting. Sure you might get a new champion but with the same top tier(s)? It gets too repetitive in a realm that NEEDS that diversity.
@@michaelcarrig627it’s the fact that returning is spoon fed to players now. I come from Tekken 3 arcade era, where we didn’t have frame data, we didn’t have technology like TH-cam to watch. I remember when Kim bong min from South Korea came to battle by the bay, aka the very first evo. Dude destroyed everyone and did some insane frame traps we here in the US never seen before. And this was about a year after Tekken tag came out on the arcades. Everything had to be found on spending money on the arcades. Imagine throwing any where from 10-20 a week practicing at the arcades to get better and find things out. Now compared that today and the past 15+ years where everything is online and and you no longer have to spend ton's of money at the arcades is the biggest difference. All these new kids don't realize how easy they have it, because I can guarantee you, if we had the same technology in the 90's like we have today, players like Justin, Yipes, JOP, Jinkid, Bronson, Jimmy J Tran, would all be godlike and be destroying everyone in the world.
@@Jungle337 this guy gets it. The skill level is definitely still there, honestly players are probably better now than before. But it’s the MOMENTS that aren’t the same.
Old Evo's hold more weight if anything, because older games were harder to win in and held much more prestige. Winning Evo back then meant you were the best, nowadays it just means you played better that day because most top players are so even due to lower skill ceilings.
Nah it didn't really mean that back then, mike Ross getting 4th at Evo didn't really mean he would pull that off ever again
Rob tv is super woke, won’t stand for that shit
I think the Beatles are trash super over rated
Complete nonsense
THAT "hollywood" came from the Shaft movie with SLJ