The Luxury Supercar Citroën Built - Maserati Bora (ft. Jay Leno and Wayne Carini)
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- Fresh from recommissioning at Wayne Carini’s shop; Jay Leno, Donald Osborne, and Antonio Melegari take a drive in a Maserati Bora. It’s the Franco-Italian love child of Maserati and Citroën that combines the very best the two companies had to offer at the time. And boy, does she scream. Sit back, relax, listen and enjoy the siren song of the Maserati Bora.
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When he's not driving, Jay looks like he is ready for a nap. Maybe because the car is so comfortable.
Here’s a story that’s one of my favorite Bora experiences:
The rear engine placement makes it hard to cool properly. It was a struggle to achieve the best possible cooling on our ‘75 Bora, I bought it needing work and with a persistent overheating problem. We used diligent air-bleeding, adding water-wetter, and removing any obstructions to air flow at the front-mounted radiator. Thus, we succeeded in preventing it from overheating.
Mind you, it would still get thoroughly heat-soaked, and tend to stay that way.
Leaving a fundraiser at Lake George on a hot summer day, I got stuck in traffic with other exotic car owners before getting to the highway. The Bora got heat-soaked. OK, so I just waited it out and got to the highway. We got up around 70-80mph but the Bora was stubbornly heat-soaked and stayed hot. My friends sped off at triple digits in their more modern exotics. I got a little miffed and decided TO HECK WITH THIS, and floored it…
.. and that’s when it happened… it was at 130-140 that the temperature needle really dropped down… and it struck me like lightning: Of course a Bora is designed for cooling at 1970s Autostrada speeds, not 70 or 80..! I laughed out load as I caught up to the Aventadores, 458 and 599s.
Lesson learned.
It’s been a fabulous car to own.
Excellent story. My tip, connect a wire and switch to the cabin from the fan switch, so that you can switch the fan on at any time you wish, since I also had heat problems in traffic in summer with the classic Alfa Romeo I own. Preumably you werre on a deristricted autobahn when you sped to 130+ speeds....
Awesome!!!
@@cbca6567 .. thank you. I haven’t felt the need. The Bora radiator has two functional thermostatic switches that operate two radiator fans .. they prevent overheating even at a standstill, so I choose to let them operate automatically, as Alfieri intended.
@@65SATisfaction sure but then you experienced heat soak, and the fans should then have stopped this but did not as you described. presumably the fans were not on constantly when you had that heat soak otherwise there would be no problem, hence my suggestion.
@@cbca6567 My apologies. My mistake. I am using the term "Heat Soak" incorrectly. I understand that Heat Soak is another term for overheating. My Bora is not overheating. I'm using Heat Soak to describe components heating up and retaining heat outside of the engine core, requiring extra time to cool off once you get going down the road. If you keep pushing the engine hard, that heat doesn't dissipate and the coolant temperature takes longer to fall. The fans will run continuously during this time if the thermostatic switches are functioning properly. The fans start switching on at 85C for the first fan, and 95C for second fan. They are able to keep the engine core from overheating the coolant, but don't provide any other engine bay cooling, so accessories and such continue to stay hot. Once you get going down the road, it can take quite a while for airflow to cool the engine bay and relieve what I am incorrectly calling Heat Soak. 40mph is a very effective speed, or 140 as I mentioned. So - if the Bora is stuck in traffic, in the heat, both fans kick on, the engine temperature plateaus around 110C, and it will stay there with both fans running, in perpetuity, without actually overheating until other conditions, such as ram-air, helps the radiator bring the temperature down. I hope that explains why I can rely on the fans.
Within this context, the Bora and Khamsin - and maybe other Maseratis - had cooling issues from day one. After public sales started, Maserati had to go back and modify the front grilles on both those models to improve cooling... vapor-lock is avoided by the fuel rail having an overflow which continuously circulates heated fuel back to the fuel tank, and fresh, cool fuel is supplied.
Another magic art work!
This was my dream car as a young teen. In all the years since 1971 I have only seen two of them.
Indeed a timeless design and one of the most underrated sports cars of it's era.
I was lucky enough to have a really good look at a Bora with it's owner at a car show in the summer.
A truly lovely car. Super engineering with great attention to detail.
The body shape is lovely, a "unique" brushed stainless steel roof, flared wheel arches, all the electro-hydraulic "trickery" for the pedals/seats/wheel etc.
And if you want instant gratification...take off the top engine cover and just drink in the view of the engine/gearbox!
Waaaay beyond my pension range, but, you can but dream!!! And I agree with Wayne:- choice of Bora or Ferrari 308 - the Bora wins EVERY time!
No ASS Not a single image of the rear end of this car. Never seeing or heard of this masterpiece. Just a great video. Thank you.
Love from Canada
Good point and it's got a good looking ass with tail lights that resemble the lights of a 240Z.
Wow that Pegasso is gorgeous. And the Bora V8 does sound great. I'm not a V8 guy but that Bora sounds sweet. Almost like a smooth boxer 6 cylinder sound.
I got more interested when Jay and Donald started yappin it up. But I still like those early 60's Maserati coupes.
There were two significant reasons the Bora wasn't so successful at the time: it exactly came out in the wrong moment,the middle of the fuel crisis in Europe, with sunday drivings forbidden, and many other regulations (that in the USA killed all big engines nearly).Secondly,they launched the "baby version" Merak shortly after, with the Citroen-Maserati built SM V6 .The Merak looked nearly carbon copy to the Bora, had two additional seats, was lighter, and priced at close to a BMW 3.0 CS, about 40% more than a 1971 Corvette.The Bora in 1974 was 29.000 dollars, being 4,4 times the price of a Corvette.This explains that
I think one reason is that the buying public didn't really understand what kind of a car it was supposed to be? It came out in the mid engine craze of the late 60's/early 70's, being unfavourably compared to the Lamborghini Miura/Countach, Ferrari BB, DeTomaso Pantera, and the others. While it was supposed to be a GT car that just happened to be mid-engined, essentially the successor to the restrained and sublime Ghibli. It's more of a gentlemans car like the Aston Martin and not the like the boy racerish Ferraris. In that it actually has a lot in common with the Ferrari Testarossa, which is really more of a GT than a true hypercar.
@@ingvarhallstrom2306 We should not forget that mid-engined has come to be the mark of supercars, but in the early 70's it was just a new thing and tried for this GT too. Quite a few concepts of that day played with the idea of mid-engined four seaters too. I guess they thought mid engine was going to be the future for a wider range of cars than ended up being the case.
The Merak actually enrages me, how could they have devalued their design language instantly by making their own cheap rip off?
My favourite Maserati of all, even the older stunning classics. That pent up leaping posture, magic. Thanks Wayne for this thorough and interesting review.
I like the Bora a lot too...I think it looks better than the Khamsin and Ghibli (maybe because I think the front end on those are a little too long for my tastes, The Ghibli still looks nice though). I like the Mistral a lot too, that was a beautiful car. But yeah the Bora was an awesome beautiful Maserati for sure.
The Bora would look awesome next to an Alfa Romeo Montreal and a BMW M1....those are 3 dream cars of mine hehe. All Italian design of course.
Definitely a forgotten car. Very interesting history. I saw one in a magazine. Nice styling. Too bad we couldn't open that baby up. Mr. L and Mr. O are the best.👍👍😎😎🤑🔥❤
Love these stylish expressions of automotive art. The Bora and the SM are just exceptional automobiles.
2:20 Finally an American who knows how to say (and probably spell) "chaise longue", not calling it a "chaise lounge"!
This is my favorite Italian car
My '73 4.9 Bora (silver/red) keeps me SMILING 🎶🕶️🌈🥓
I am of a certain age, a kid in the 70s in the UK... and I had one of those Matchbox models of a Bora. I loved the exterior styling of it and the glass over the engine bay.... but when I opened one of those tiny little doors with my fingernail and saw the plastic moulding representation of THOSE seats.... If I had the means, I'd buy one just for the seats.
Amazing car. The Bora and the Merak, in particular, are almost like a rear-mid-engine Citroën SM.
They need to design a modern day equivalent of this car! Looking at their current lineup - I see nothing that embodies the sleek, but muscular, but space age aura of this car..
Indeed, some of these fabulous cats cars deserve to come bsck, as a Revival Model.
Better yet, we the Public deserve to have these cars available Brand new.
The Merak/SM V6 is not a version of the classic Maserati V8, actually is a completely new engine designed by their chief engineer Giulio Alfieri. Actually this brand new engine has it’s V8 version, also developed for the Citroen SM, they even build a prototype(later sold to a private owner), but due to deep financial crises of both companies, never went to production
Fun, story and memories. I grew up in Kansas City and was detailing cars in high school from my home. A friend of my parents was a lawyer, who had one of these in silver that he received as a payment for legal services. He wasn’t a car guy. He paid me to detail it and use it for my senior prom because someone needed to drive it and he didn’t want to. I’ll never forget prom day 1978. I was a lucky kid.
By the way, the The Jay Leno look-alike on the show is pretty convincing. To complete the look, you gotta have them wear a blue denim shirt. 😂
A fabulous Car, looks like a sexy 2023 vehicle -- Indeed, a timeless design.
Quite frankly,I don't care for McLarens and most of the so called super cars
Ir they were being manufactured today, I would purchase one -- provided I had enough money...
Thank you for another fantastic video..
One of the best sounding cars ive heard
IIRC, Turtle Wax used a yellow Bora in one of their ads in the day. Does anyone else remember that?
Pretty sure that was a Miura.
@@ronschwolsky1626 It may well have been. Do you remember yellow? The other vague Turtle Wax memory I have is a Ferrari 365 GTC/4. A mid engine car and a front engine car in different ads for sure.
That car looks really good coming down the road at you. What great shots I'm glad to know about this car I never seen or herd of.
Nice video, But I would realy like to see the guys do a video on a 67ish Ghibli. And that shoulder harness did a number on Donolds bow tie.
I'm here for the Floating Donald Osborne graphic.
Long live the resurrection cars
It's similar to the Alfa Romeo Montreal. I'm not a big fan of rear engine wedgie. It's beautiful, but that early 60's Maserati 3500 coupe is just such a timeless design. And accessible front/rear layout.
Can you imagine Jay and Donald off camera with some wine and weed jabbering about cars? I'd love to join in that car geek jabbering session. These guys have great car taste.
True Karioke car , recorded for eternity on tape
When Joe Walsh sang "My Maserati does 185...", which car was he talking about?
Very beautiful looking car, as i thought when they were new.
Watching them toodle around reminded me of my Porsche 928, including the V8 sound.
And I think that in my fantasy garage, rather than a Countach, I'd rather a Bora beside my 928 GTS.
Thank you for sharing! Speaking of 928s, have you seen our video on the 928? Leno and Osborne Have a Debate About the 928!
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Must admit l kept thinking it was a Merak ....with rear side windows ? And l'm glad Wayne mentioned the shock absorbers ! But that stitching inbetween the seats was so irritating unless ot was a zip ? And what an underrated car ! And Dame Shirley certainly enjoyed her Ferrari's as well Jay ! Thanks to all .
Since the 60s Maserati has not been as popular as Ferrari or Lamborghini, and this having Citroen dampens enthusiasm for it even more despite Maserati clearly using some of the best Citroen had to offer and nothing more. If anything I think the lack of it being purely a Maserati is what people don't appreciate. When manufacturers collaborate like this great things can and do happen.
I know them, one of my favorite cars as a young lad, even had an RC Car version. Test drove one but didn't buy it, which I regret. Awesome super car of the 70s. 160 mph car... always has been, it'll blow away any 308 Ferrari
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One of the reasons behind the Bora's status as a forgotten car was, surprisingly, honesty. Maserati listed the maximum speed as 163 mph. Lamborghini and Ferrari both claimed that their competitors could manage 300 km/h or a little over 186mph. People bought the "faster cars", despite the magazines finding that L & F had exaggerated quite a bit.
“With French cars we don’t think performance, we think luxury.” Jay may have forgot the Renault Dauphine and Caravelle.
I have wanted one since I was eight years old. Everybody stop watching this video and don’t promote it. You’ll drive the prices of these cars out of my affordability range. How does that make you feel? 😂
The confluence of Citroen and Maserati created some amazing cars… the Bora, Merak, Khamsin and Indy.. This time period is also a minefield of facts vs fiction..
.. the V6 engine that Maserati’s Chief Engineer Alfieri designed for Citroen’s SM is an example:
Maserati *did* cut a standard V8 into a V6 to establish certain parameters for the prototyping of the new V6.. but ultimately what ended up being used in the SM was not “a version of Maserati’s V8”. They only share the same 90degree angle. That’s all. Well, and the same 42DCNF Webers. After the experimental “cut V8”, Alfieri spent 5 months on design and development to deliver 3 prototype 2.7L V6 engines to Citroen. All you need is to note where the timing chains are located.
Tricky territory.
Donald, fix your bow tie for heaven's sake!
I grew up in the 70s and even as a young teen then I never was all that impressed with the look of the wedge shaped styling that was popular then. There was a couple I did like , namely the Lancia Stratos ( to me is one of the best looking sports cars of all time) and the Ford Pantera. To bad the Pantera did not perform as good as it looked. Although it can be a good car with a ton of money thrown at it to work out the factory and engineering mistakes.
To me the Bora falls into the not to impressive styling category. Its just not my "cup of tea" as they say. That engine does sound amazing and I bet it does drive like a dream though, as stated in the video. Still a very interesting car with a interesting history and I am glad it has found a new life with its current caretakers.
It was the De Tomaso Pantera sold at Lincoln Mercury dealers in the US.
@@stephenholland5930 I know that but it was still sold by FORD. Its easier to say Ford than all that other shit.
BTW my 1986 QPIII has the same 4.9 V8 with a 6500rpm redline... so the Bora should be safe to 6500rpm as well
It wasn't Citroen built. It was MASERATI built in Modena, just had Citroen bits in it.
Jay tilting his head so far back is a little concerning 🙏🏽🍀
Very nice example. The Maser v8 was race derived, dry sump, had hemi-heads, and an air-gap intake with separate runners for each carb throat. It had timing chains while the Ferraris had belts, and was very reliable. I think the tail end of the v-6 Merak looked better, but the flying buttresses were a bit odd. Your braided fuel line system and orange plug wires look like it belongs on some kids hotrod, not an Italian exotic and looks absurd. Thank god for the euro spec bumpers, the US spec were hideous. Big problem for servicing the Citroen-Masers was when mechanics used hydraulic fluid instead of the green Citroen fluid. I had a Ghibli SS which I restored, it is older tech, solid axel, but beautiful styling.
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I've always thought that as excellent as the Bora was, the weak point was its slightly soft/understated wheel design. Big spoke alloys would have done the job - and sold more units.
They are probably my favourite wheels ever. It's not an aggressive designed car, it's a low and mid-engined two seater but the understated wheels show it's not a supercar, to me it shows Maserati saw a mid-engine lay out as futuristic grand touring and not as racy, lap time quick and aggressive.
2 Ply Tires weren't all that terrible. They were cheap. But if you lived near any new home subdivisions under construction, yeah, a nail in that 2 Ply is ruining your day. I was into bicycling then. I patched my car tires as much as my bicycle tires (clinchers and tubes both common then).
did Dustin Hoffman drive a Bora in Kramer vs Kramer?🤔
29:57 The camera car driver needs to pay attention. 😅
20:07 There's always some jerk in a truck thinking they're the star.
Countach was surely a contemporary?
It's dialed in
2:51 "...brushed aluminum roof" Isn't it stainless steel?
The 4.9 was good for 335hp
I Hate when they do these videos and never put the pop up head lights hardly ever. Jay leno was falling asleep on the passenger side I'm sure they recorded this early morning. It seems like Jay Leno has poor eye sight. They never talked about the stainless steel roof top and mirrors. I can imagine these two while inside of the car end up arguing and duking it out...sayin" you get ur car no u get ur own no u drive ur car ok then u drive ur own going back and forth😅😂like a comedy
Beautiful car. Such a shame it has those hideous US-spec side indicators.
Jays Maserati does 185, he's fricken old now, he squints when he drives
V12 at 2.00
nice clip but why not start with a proper walk around the car instead of nice old ladies talking about how terrific this car handles and how nice the radio is. The Bora is a beautiful looking car. So show it!
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I love Jay Leno. But I don't think I would want to ride in a car with him.. He seems to be all over the road when he drives.. I've watched hundreds of videos. In most every car he driver he's crossing over the lines...
He's driving more spirited than Donald.
#Fact.
I don't think Jay looks very comfortable in the passenger seat.
Bora’s are great cruisers. A late Merak SS handles tons better.
That front spoiler is not original.
Weird Wayne who cries when someone touches his cars but he has no problem leaning on other people's cars
Glass houses and throwing stones advice my friend🦊
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Pre-Oil Embargo era, but the emissions legislation going into effect 1975. Also, domestic V8 cars sitting on lots was what was being pushed. Because Japanese 4 cylinders made sense. Many thought we might run out of oil. That Bora in low production comparatively speaking, was at the wrong time. American V8 muscle cars by 1975 were irresponsible purchases. Not just environmentally but National Security energy policies made any new V8 driver look like an overcompensating incel Maga boy who couldn't get dates unless he had money and found a gold digger. So a tasteful V8 with manners like this Bora was really a small niche of buyers who had nice Lancia, Alfa and even Fiat to choose from if Italian cars were your thing. There was a 128 Fiat coupe I believe and the Abarth 850 Spider, which I believe had 910cc and dual Del-Orto carb setup. Nothing fast. But fuel supply mentality was what was on everyone's mind. That Alfa GTV SPICA coupe would be pretty difficult to turn down. '74 all around disc brakes, about 2100 pounds, and around 130hp. My Opel GT I rebuilt late 70's for my first car seemed fast. 20 years later I get a stock GTV with SPICA and remember the Road & Track comparison road tests that planned the Opel GT. Now neither were in that Bora's realm of performance, but both the Opel GT and Alfa GTV could get 30mpg on the highway easily. That was a really big deal then. Not because gas was expensive but fears of supply issues.
What incompetence! To say that the Bora was a competitor for the Ferrari 308 displays complete and total ignorance. The Bora was the competitor to the Miura (then Countach), the car that became called the Berlinetta Boxer. The Maserati competitor to the 308 was the Merak, which failed because it had a V6.
The Citroen hydraulic system ruined the car completely with little to zero brake feel, sames goes for the early meraks and is probably one of the reasons they did not seel that well. The two Thepennier Bora race cars commissioned in period used conventional brake systems and did not race on the track when they tried to compete because they were too quick compared to class, and the last road meraks switched to conventional brakes also which were so much better for driver feel when pushing hard. The last of the Merak series, with the conventional brakes was actually a much better made car than the equivalent period Ferrari's with very neutral handling, just without the badge or the top end sound compared to those..
As a ten-year Bora owner, I disagree. Maybe it takes more exposure to the LHM system to appreciate it. The brakes modulate perfectly well. What might throw you off is the actuator valve responds to the amount of foot pressure, not foot movement. In a sense, you brake with your ankle, not your leg. The brakes are durable and fade-resistant: I’ve pushed my Bora hard on hot laps at an F1 track and it endured and behaved with confidence, even at its limit, with confidently manageable throttle-on oversteer. The Thepenier Boras were upgraded with the same rotors and calipers as the Lola T70, but retained the Citroen LHM actuation. The LHM systems are reliable and easily rebuildable with ample supply of parts when needed. I do agree that most people find the LHM system frightening. And it’s unusual, which gives rise to what I consider an easily-repeated myth of high maintenance and iffy performance. Perpetuated by non-owners. Cheers.
@@65SATisfaction Thanks for sharing. However I must strongly disagree having driven a Merak with the same system. The brakes are either there or not and i have an extremely sensitive foot, there was absolutely no modulation no matter how i moved my foot or ankle having tried many ways to do so, and this diminished confidence when pushing on. Plus you have the added bonus that the system is driven by the engine, so despite having an emergency safeguard that should stop you if the engine fails that is also not reassuring. The Bora's handling is not in question and was far superior to same category Ferrari Daytona Competition cars, so much so that they were stopped to race by the marshals because the Thepenier Boras were too fast for their class. There was a detailed analysis of the build of the Thepenier Boras and the French period report I read stated they had "conventional" braking system (not rotors/calpers which were upgraded) not the LHM system at all so we must have different reports is all i can say. As I stated many potential owners did not like the LHM braking system and that stopped sales. This was so much the case with the Merak in the USA that DeTomaso, who owned Maserati then, switched the layout to conventional braking system without "any" Citroen parts, and these last cars are the most highly praised cars and again having driven one I can tell you they are night and day better as a drivers car than the previous LHM equipped ones for my driving style. I prefer very fluid brake and throttle modulation and preferably a torquey engine and equal weight distrubution. Any Bora could be converted like the Merak to non LHM style and this would be my ideal.
i omitted to add, that the LHM system is a great and reliable system for the cars it was intended for, the Citroen's and it had reliable stopping power when it is working and fully maintained. However it was a mistake for a sports car, for reasons stated. The same can be said for modern drive by wire braking systems, completely lacking in feel and also anathema to my driving style.
@@cbca6567 .. we have diverging experiences. I’ll stick my neck out and suggest that if your Merak’s brakes were “either there or not” and not being able to modulate, something was very wrong and you were right to abandon driving it. Did you investigate the problem? I don’t think your experience was how a properly working and maintained system behaves, despite the difference between their use in Citroen street cars vs high performance Maseratis:
Alfieri was not lacking in development resources to fully sort out the Bora, Merak, Khamsin and Indy. They were developed, tested, tweaked and sold with all the qualities Alfieri demanded of every Maserati.
My source is Marc Sonnery, in his book ‘Maserati in the Citroen Era’, stating the Thepenier Group 4 Boras retained the LHM boosted brakes. Cheers.
Very much agree the very late Merak SS is far superior handling and more interesting engine note. Harry’s garage winds one up really well. Glorious
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That is a beautifully ugly car. I'd say it's a decent example of brutalism.
Lose the singing intro. It’s such a turnoff
It was pretty terrible music. But at least Jay and Donald eventually are driving the Bora about midway.
What a boring video about an interesting subject. That car is nowhere near original. From the plastic chin spoiler to the sheepskin seat cover is screams junk. The suspension, clearly, is not working at all. Why mount the camera to show the sky? Why is it that rich Americans have no taste?
38 minutes and no real time spent on the actual car. Just quick cut-aways here and there