Which Festool Should You Buy First?
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- Which Festool (if any) should you buy first?
Links to these tools, Note that many are out of stock due to supply chain issues:
ETS EC 125: www.woodcraft.com/products/et...
ETS EC 150: www.woodcraft.com/products/fe...
Rotex 150:amzn.to/3w9OoiG
Rotex 90: amzn.to/3mCtiX2
Router: www.woodcraft.com/products/fe...
Domino XL: amzn.to/3GUb1g6
Domino: amzn.to/3BC4Ysz
Track saw: amzn.to/3jXlhKo - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
My buddy owns a Wood Shop and he now has all Festool products. I have had the opportunity to repair three of his tools, two sanders and one chop saw. All three had bearing failures, they are built in a manner you can not simply change a $20 bearing, but you have to buy a complete armature with the bearing for $130. The chop saw was only a few months old, and The bearing was not available. When I called Festool, they were Johnny on the spot sent me a box so I could return it for warranty repair...
At the start of his production, he had all "box store" tools, and I never had to repair any of those. As production picked up he switched to all Festool.
They are good tools with the ability to work with the great dust collection vacuums they offer.
Unless you are making money with your tools, they are too expensive for my taste.
If you look at Ave's channel he has done tear aparts on them. Basically they are junk on the inside. Some of the bearings (where there were relly low loads, were just the shaft in plastic. Of course they are great tools functionally, but they are not built to last like old tools. Unfortunately you find the same situations with classic tools, outsourced to China.
They have functionality that other tools do not have, and you may look like a slug if you roll up in some neighbourhoods and don't have them. That doesn't mater to me as I learned woodwork 50 years ago, and am cruising on my talent stack at 60, but for newbies, in peak earning, I would do it.
What would you recommend then for someone off then? Reliability is a huge requirement for me. Cheaper the better, but I will absolutely drop up to $700 on a sander that will always perform for me.
@@dumpsterfire138 My dad has been working with DeWalt for a really long time, we also have a couple (old) milwaukee drils that are really good, and also 2 makita rotary hammer drills, overall imo they are all good, have pros and cons, I had a Milwaukee hammer that died, grinded itself inside, no Idea why, but a 10+ years Dewalt that still works. the makita is like 5 years and works fine too, at least in my country, the best are Dewalt and Makita (in part because not many people sell them nor fix them), I have no complaints, and 2 miter saws, one that cuts granite, works perfectly, 10 years old too, imo older milwaukee tools were better but now for me I would buy Dewalt/Makita, mostly Dewalt
@@Pathfinding-earth thank you. Will be checking those out
@@dumpsterfire138 anytime, I can't speak for Festool, never used or owned one, they look good, but more expensive
Congrats on 1 million :)
Thanks bud!
@@BlacktailStudio can you make follow ups or more videos on tool recommendations. I’m just starting out wood working, and informative info like this.
Fantastic tip, and one not many people discuss when talking about Festool sanders. After I discovered this fact I bought a 125/3 and both the hard and soft 6" pads; it's a great sander! Can't wait to hear about the router.
Interesting! Also can't wait what you have to say about the OF 1400. Haven't bought a normal sander by Festool but love my OF 1400 😌
I have the OF 1400 - fantastic tool with one flaw: the plate isn't centered on the router. this only matters when you try putting in a duplicating ring
You're a pretty good Woodworker for a Helicopter Pilot!
Quality tools are great, but it's experience that makes a professional.
Also, I love the content! Keep it up!
You’re a pretty good perimeter shooter too
He mentioned that in one video by saying beginners most likely benefit most from expensive quality tools because of their lack in experience, saying a seasoned woodworker could easily accomplish what he does with ceaper tools
I went out of order: Domino, dust extractor, ... sander next but my brushless 20v dewalt is surprisingly good when it comes to hand fatigue (significantly better than any plug-in version). Oh, and since it's technically also Festool now, Iupgraded my Bosch flesh-sensing table saw a SawStop PCS.
I thought I was the only one using 150&125 pads on the ETS EC 125. Such a great sander!
Got the 125 based on this video and could not be happier!
Gotta wonder what the overnight shipping rates are from Wendlingen, Germany... Looking forward to your next project, thanks!
Is there a full video? I would like to hear your opinion about OF 1400.
Unless the prices have come down significantly from when they first came out, I can't imagine anyone that doesn't make a living using power tools benefiting enough from Festool products to justify the outrageous prices. And even then, I think with their prices, they are targeting a very niche buyer.
Festool are for home shops and shed hangers. Some even lack really basic features like propper bearings
you clearly dont understand how having a business works.
@@maoristereo Epoxy table guy seems to disagree.
The only people I know that use Festool are TH-cam channels where I suspect they are given them for free for promoting Festool. Perhaps not all of them but the prices are beyond outrageous.
@@closewatcher8586 ok well i have my own business (not YT) and only use festool, i think you really dont have any braincells regarding the topic of owning a business
just got the Festoll 48Ac and OMG love that thing so much less issues and paired with the shaper its a dream for my stuff.
My first festool was the track saw. it came with the dust extractor too. What an amazing tool.
My first Festool was the Track Saw 55 KEB. Love it.
Same here - it was the gateway drug 😅
@@AaronGeller oh no. I think the only other festool I'll need is the Domino tool, but that's only because they're the only ones who make one.
Thanks Cam , appreciate that video. Stay safe.
Thank you for the advice
Awesome on 1 million!!!And thank you for this short. You answered a question that has been on my mind. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I cannot remember ever having had any powertool that wasn't Bosch and I can't remember if my father has either.
But then again, I really only watch your stuff cause it's like ASMR or something and not because I'm doing it myself.
Over the last few weeks I have began purchasing a few Festool tools. Love them and looking forward to your thoughts on which ones to work toward. Thank you
I'm so glad you've started doing shorts more regularly, they're bad for money, but supposedly are incredibly for growing subscribers. Here's to hoping you keep going up!
The ETS 125 is top of my shopping list now. That along with the vacuum.
I'm living 20 km away from Festool HQ here in the south of Germany. Definitely very hi-quality tools.
I have the ETS-EC 150 5mm Cam and it is fantastic. The only major difference between the 150 and the 125 is the 125 only does a 3mm orbit and the 150mm does either a 3mm or 5mm depending on what you purchase. So you can’t buy a 125mm that does a 5mm orbit if that makes sense👍😀
This is a key point. That said, if you're buying your first sander like Cam mentioned you probably want one that will give the best final finish and there the 3mm orbit will generally give you better results (while the 5mm will tend to do the rough sanding faster). So yea, both are fantastic, but if I had I pick one I'd say the 3mm as well.
@@Warkivethis comment helped
Hey Cam! I absolutely love your videos! The first Festool I invested in was the TS 55 REQ Track Saw and was wondering if I could get some advice. What type of dust mask do you wear while in the shop if anything?
You left out most important festool tool the dust extractor. Everyone whose mobile has those and loves them like their children
Yep! Most seem to recommend that first, and then the sander… That’s what I did (and LOVE them both).
Fully agree with you on the tool choice. And as a relative new subscriber, you have awesome content!!!! GO 2 million subscribers!
The blacktail millions! It has a good ring to it. Congrats. I purchased a domino 500 first because I had a need. I got it from the recon site and have been very happy with it. I then bought the small CT15 vacuum that works very well. Now I have the rotex 90 and it suits my needs well. These are great tools. I’d like the CXS next. This is my favorite channel Cam.
What is the awesome contraption being used in the beginning of the video to hold that slab of wood?
Hahaha it was your videos that made me buy all the festool I have, I don’t regret it however
Congrats on a million subs, well deserved. The one Festool tool I see you use that interests me is what looks like a circular saw that you square up your projects with along with the guide fence you usually use with it. Nice setup. Not a big fan of the short videos but hey, I watched this one to the end! Haha. Looking forward to your next project. JD
That's the track saw! Although you're not wrong, and it's basically just a circular saw with a guide :)
@@HydraMods It's a beauty for sure, I may look into that one!! That's for clarifying the name of the tool for me! JD
@@JDOffline Too bad that TS 75 just isn't around. It had a deep 45 degree cut (all you needed it for). Don't even consider the TS 55 - not worth the premium to Makita track saw.
Can you do a tutorial of how to make a table/chopping board or something simple using no power tools and go through all the steps of where you source the materials etc. Something that someone just looking to get into woodworking can make for cheap with basic equipment. Alternatively a tutorial of how to do a simple epoxy casting of an object. Love the videos!
Hey, I've been following your videos and I think they're great, thanks
I'm about to make my first river table from cedar slab, I harvested from my property. I have a melamine form, form release, clear as glass epoxy. I've sanded my cedar down to 100 grit,
Question, what do you brush on the area that will except the epoxy?
Question; do you treat the wood with anything before the pour?
Appreciate any advice at this point.
I won't be using an industrial planer so I'll be sanding BTW.
Thanks Phil, from Bellingham, WA
I came to search your videos for this exact answer. Thanks
more vids please!listening to u is so nice
I'm a painter and absolutely LOVE my ec150 👌
I love my Festool router! But the track saw is awesome!
Great video!
What was the device you had the board on?
Where did you get that suction thing that held the block of wood
Can u give me advice on mirka tools? Sanders ect
I was thinking I would get a festool tracksaw first lol
I bought a sander/ and midi 1st. It is the most important thing that I bought. The track saw/mft was my next purchase and my favorite lol.
Sander then dust extraction,track saw then drills and domino.
No frustration = 🥰👍🌴🇨🇦
I’m a big fan of your channel. I’ve learned so much as a novice woodworker. I’m definitely not a pro. Perhaps I’m a serious amateur. Anyway, I’m in the market for an orbital sander, but I don’t want to spend the Festool or 3M Sander price. Any recommendations for a quality and more moderately priced orbital sander? Is Bosch or Dewalt any good? Thanks in advance!
There is a reason to buy festool and that is dust collection. Other companies make great tools but festool makes great tools with the best dust collection in the industry.
I appreciate your tool reviews. Though I do like your creation posts better.
I think you should make an epoxy resin table inspired by the sea or a lake, I think it would look stunning
Interested to hear more of your thoughts on the OF 1400 and why you think it’s sub optimal for freehand work. I can get a great deal on one used and trying to understand if it’s worth it.
Congratulation on 1MIL+ How did you learn to price your work in the beginning? Including pricing mistakes?
Hey Cam! Big fan, watched nearly all of your videos and counting. You got me back into woodworking!! I did it with my dad as a kid but hadn't done it for years (since highschool), I'm in college now and enjoying woodworking more than I ever thought possible. Thanks for doing what you do. I just bought the ETS EC 125 Festool sander recently on your suggestion and some other research. I'm beginning to wonder though, which Festool you recommend a person buy second? 👀
Sander over the tracksaw?
I have the festool RTS 400. The rectangular Sander, I think the next tool is the domino joiner for me since I already have a tracksaw
I see a lot of comments, from binge-watching your vids, that they'd like a vid with less talking. While I can't literally sleep without playing you talking about a slab or something. 😂 Pls don't stop doing what you do and congrats on the 1m subs. 🤗
I had never heard of festool until I used someone else's festool cordless drill, those are pretty cool... Turns off automatically when it senses the torque/impact clutch skipping
I bought festo tools in 2003-2004. The only thing broke until this day was the sander foam pad. Even then, it was a matter of days before I had a spare part for a 20 year old machine.
I'm a master cabinetmaker. I've been doing this for 27 years. I've worked in FL, DE, PA, MI, MD and GA...I've never worked in a shop that had ANY Festools. For the last 20 years I've been working in very high end applications (Aviation, Yachting and Residential). I've only seen one professional who owned anything by Festool...and it was a track saw he bought to use when he had to do install work.
Cam, considering at the moment festool track saw TS75 isn't being made, what would be equal in your opinion to it?
My first Festool was their jigsaw. A quality jigsaw is very underrated.
Question from Spain: I'm getting a Festool sander soon and was going to get the 6" until I saw your suggestion. Are you saying that if I buy the 125 that I can attach a larger pad and essentially use as a 150? Thanks in advance and Thanks for teaching me so much!
Totally unrelated but I just thought. It would be soooo good to see you make a one of a kind Korean BBQ table. Hoping one day that you get a client requesting this.
Damn, I'm thinking about getting the router first, lol. I'm building a table and I'm gonna need a router, although I'm definitely going to need a sander as well. ....and probably a track saw, lol.
I don't have a table saw due to space constraints so my first Festool I bought in August this year was the TS55 track saw, and man does it make my life easier. I was worried that I would get more or less the same results as my Dewalt circular saw with a straight edge but it's not even close.
A sander is next on my list although I want to get it with the dust extractor as I don't have any dust extraction yet. Which extractor would you recommend?
What is that suction cup thing? That's cooler than the festools
Thanks for the sander tip. Would love to hear about why the router would be the last, I saw a used one in my area for €300
It’s just not a stand alone router. You’ll need other ones too
Do a Blue Mahoe wood table
Cam, love all of your work. Thanks for putting out high-quality videos and high-quality inspiration for us amateurs. Question re: Festool track saws - which one do you recommend?
Thanks for the video. I have been trying to decide which Festool sander to get so this is helpful.
Hi Cam, the only Festool I bought (as of now) is the OF-1400 😅 - would love to hear why not to get it. I do have a question. I need to get a tracksaw and was trying to chose between Mafell 55 and the festool 55. I saw you have both - I was wondering what you recommend? one of the reasons I want it is as an alternative to buying a joiner (I have a planer with a sled that completes the operation). Thanks!
OK Cam, I'll bite. had some extra cash from sales this year and was trying to figure out best upgrade in tools for the buck. Festool sander or helical cutter for my planer? ( hate those strings of epoxy clogging op the discharge) I bought the sander. It is truly amazing. BIG time saver. Thank you for pushing me over the edge on this. BTW you were using a new sander paper but didn't give any details or what you commend for Festool sander?
Track saw is what started the trend for Festool in the states.
We have Protool in our workshop (Festool before re-branding) It's the most hard-working piece we have and THEY STIL PROVIDE SPARE PARTS ! Absolutely worth the price if you are going to make living with those tools.
Hey Cam, the ets ec150 festooned sander how long does it last? I use a rigid 5 inch orbital sander and I have went through four of them in the past six months they keep breaking down. If the fess tool sander breaks is it a free replacement?
Hey Cam....MOST of your viewers are NOT professional woodworkers they are hobbyists that may sell a table or tray here or there. As such using those Festool products really becomes somewhat ridiculous...and you do hint at that but here's a great alternative.
In the USA you'll spend $630 for that Rotex RO 150 and another $425 for the ETS EC 125/3...yes both can use 6" pads - the Rotex with a 5mm sanding stroke and (make sure to get) the ETS 125 with a 3mm stroke. That's about $1,100 all in. And it's actually the sand "paper" that you're using and sanding technique that's really doing the hard work...that's what's making the real difference.
That being said (I have no skin in the game here) - your audience should seriously consider the Metabo SXE 450 Turbo. For $290 you're going to get two 6" sanders in one - both a Rotex type and a fine finish ROS. The SXE goes into "Turbo" mode with a 6mm stroke for the 80/100 grit work to remove those planing lines - just like a Festool Rotex and then with their patented adjustable dual orbit diameter - you can adjust the stroke down to 3mm - for the finer, higher grit ROS work. It's a known fact that the smaller stroke pattern will leave less swirl marks...it has a 3 year warranty too. 4,200-11,000 RPM compares to the 6,000-10,000 for the ETS...and the slowest 4,200 RPM can even help with the oil buffing - since you want the slowest speed for that (your GEM is 1,650)...
For the "paper" - the newest 3M XTRACT Cubitron appears to be the best, longest lasting and best dust removal mesh disc available today.
In today's world $1,100 vs. $290...it's a no brainer.
What do you do with all the Scraps and Cutoffs?
wow viewers are hard to please... I like the vid, but as an owner of a harbor freight super cheapo, I wonder with an orbital particularly what sets it so far apart? This is my most used tool overall, and I truly do want that perspective. Can you share what it does so much better? Less pigtails, better dust removal, etc?
For real, the only sander I have much interest in is the rotex 6
Its way better at dust removal which equals a better finish and longer lasting sandpaper. Its also much more comfortable and lower vibration. They are vastly superior, that being said if you don't want to spend the money don't and hate sanding more than you have to.
agree. Please tell us WHY Festool is better than Bosch, DeWalt, or any other "moderately" priced brand of tool. What is the value proposition that warrants the premium price tag?
It’s hard to show in a comment. Just remarkably better finish. In addition to the Ferrari vs civic comparison on build/ergonomics etc
love it.
You can do the same sanding job with a piece of sandpaper and a block of wood.
Do you use a hard or soft pad on yours?
Would you get the 3mm Sroke sander or the 5mm stroke? Or does it make no diffence, thanks
Do you say the router last because it has vertical play in the turret stop? That is what’s keeping me from buying it. I’m currently in contact with Festool about it
The festering stool
Whats the tool called that you used to suction to the wood
The only top of the line items I didn’t get as festool when the price was equal was my sanders. Mirka seemed like a better price in my opinion. The first festool I would get would be the Kapex 120 or the track saw. Game changers.
Nice ETS ec 125....& Festool dust extractor CT Midi.
Hey I hope you see this comment cause I had a question that I can't find the answer to anywhere. I made a river counter for a van I'm converting into a camper and finished it with Rubio. The wood looks great, but the epoxy shows little scratch marks all over it, I thought maybe it was just a little residue from the Rubio, but after buffing it clean and letting it dry overnight, they are still there. I have no idea how to fix it, and really don't want the counter to be ruined. Any help is appreciated please and thank you! Your videos have helped me immensely but Ive never seen this topic covered
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I love festool. I find that the rotex ro150 can replace a belt sander. Run an 80 grit, put it on aggressive mode, and go to town on stock removal. I also like their chop saws not just their sanders and dust extractor.
follow up for the OF 1400 why not?
What is that rotating thing at the start?
Excellent choice once one moves up to making money from there hobby. I’ve stuck to buying high end used tools for now, order a manual, learn to fix them myself and keep them in good order. That way I’ll respect them and treat them well. What’s the name of the carving/tool vice on the side of the bench? That looks very handy!
Hi Cam. Considering a Festool Dust Extractor. Would use it for everything from sanding to 12” planer, 6” jointer, miter saw, table saw, 14” band saw eventually. Which would you recommend? Or do I need something more powerful than a festool for the tools that produce heavier material than just dust? Thanks. I love your videos.
I’m wondering this as well.
I own a 12.5” planer with helical head (smaller shavings) and you need at least a 2” dust port if not ideally 4”. The Festool dust extractors with the 50mm can work but it’s not ideal. Planers and jointers throw a ton of shavings. I don’t have a large dust collector so the shavings from my planer pile up and I just suck up the pile with my Festool dust extractor or I have a bucket for shavings that I toss.
Is the interchangeability true for the Rotex 125 vs 150 as well?
So the rest brands is not worth it?
Why not buy the router? Which model is it? Can’t wait any longer to hear your input!!
What do you do well you wait for the epoxy to dry
Woodwork usually
@@BlacktailStudio also how long does it take to do a video
Personally I think the fes sanders are some of the worst value propositions if you arent in the field and have a decent sized air compressor, dynabrade's are such a joy to use. Even if you need electric, an outboard power supply, like mirka, just makes it so much nicer to use and get far more consistent results.
The domino on the other hand, I mean, for a lot of work it can replace a bunch of tools and reduce setup time to almost nothing compared to many other alternatives you might use.
The jigsaws are just the best you can get without going to a mafell or something.
Granted most of those opinions are based on the type of work I do and have done over the years, so milage may vary but I mostly did mid and high end cabinetry, furniture, and a decent amount of finish carpentry working in a shop and more artsy fartsy stuff for non day job work.
Apologies if this has been answered before. What was your occupation prior to becoming a full time content creator? Love the howtos and tool videos, very informative.
Cam spent his former life sitting under a MASSIVE ceiling fan. When it stopped spinning, he would sweat a LOT!
(You didn't know that the main rotor on a helicopter was to keep the pilot cool? When it stopped working, there was HELL to put up with.)
Sorry Cam, couldn't resist. The "choppers" I worked on, had 2 main rotors. And, no cantankerous tail rotors.
steve
this is cool
Love all your work, congrats for the million subs , got a quick question please, can you use osmo on a stained wood , thanks
Yup!
I'm a keen hobby woodworker in retirement. Some retirees spend their hard-earned pensions on playing golf etc while I enjoy using Festool, the best power tools available.
Hi Cam, Would you get the 5mm or the 3mm orbit?
I have a 3mm. Not sure that I’d know the difference though.
Blacktail Studio Thanks!
I sold all my Festool sanders for Mirka and Surf Prep. I still love Festool’s vac and track saws but their sanders are not on the top of the food chain.
Can, you recommend the ETS EC 125/3 EQ-Plus. What are your thoughts on the ETS 125 REQ-Plus. Do you know what the difference is? Is the EC really worth twice the price. Just interested in your opinion.
Carter
Good question. I would love to hear the answer.
@@TWC6724 I think if one plans to use the sander for 10 years, then the price difference is negligible over the life of usage. An extra $200 after 10 years is meaningless relative to the joy of having what you truly want and using it. The smaller details are magnified over the thousand hours of use.