Pat McAfee & Ike Taylor Talk The Ed Reed vs Troy Polamalu Debate
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- It's hard to compare Ed Reed vs Troy Polamalu since they played so different, but do you think that they are two top safeties in history?
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Ed is the ultimate hybrid corner. Troy is the ultimate hybrid lb.
Couldn’t have said it better myself
Which would make Polamalu the better of the two because he can cover and knows everything going on like an elite MLB.
Not bad at all
@@italianrambo12 Ed Reed knew everything going on on the field also. His legendary study habits and ability to breakdown film is well known around the league
I still say they should've converted Troy to MLB late in his career. They used him some like that and he excelled
RiP Sean Taylor, cant even imagine what a full career highlight reel would have looked like.
The real goat
Injured dog and I say it in a positive legend way dude was a head hunter killer bro would have eventually ended his own career on a tear tho
jonathan abhram will be the next sean t
Just watch Vontaze Burfict highlights that’s pretty much the same
@@chowder4118 Easy now. Abram was one of the worst starting safeties in football last year, if not THE worst
Troy had short area burst and explosion. Reed had the long downfield game. Neither had the other's strength, both were some of the best ever.
Great comment...
Football is not simply about skill set...it’s about scheme fit...
How many players have died in the NFL when they could’ve had AMAZING careers in different systems?
Everything Troy could do, Ed could do better.
Really good very accurate comment
@@jk38thelastsamurai55 Ed was so good people don’t even know he won DPOY as a strong safety
@@benjamindaoud9857 yeah if I had to choose I'd go with Ed Reed, but Troy was special in his own way
I die every time Pat talks about Troy lining up in the C gap 😂😂
Fax
pat has PTSD from that moment
He needs a little Troy muppet Doll extra big hair to talk to. Classic Complex PTSD
Ed Reed wasn't a big dude but he almost never missed a tackle. Even if it was against a TE
With a bad neck and hip!
@Tulouna Le Lagi tell Bob sanders he was a small guy that can't hit lmao
@Tulouna Le Lagi Bob Sanders is underrated. He was dynamite when he hit you
When troy and ed was playing those were the best years of football
Yessir .
Indeed!
Not sure for best, but my favorite will always be Brian Dawkins.
Weapon X the GOAT
I’m a Ronnie Lott guy
So many great safeties.. It's probably my favorite defense position
Love Dawkins and Steve Atwater
At water dawkins ed reed ronnie lot troy just too many honestly
My favourite safeties were Ed Reed, Troy Polamalu and Brian Dawkins. And as a Washington fan, we were robbed of Sean Taylor so early in his career.
Let’s not forget Ronnie Lott. Dude cut part of his finger off so he didn’t miss a game.
Damn I didn’t even know that. What a legend lol.
First thing that came to my mind. He was just from a different era, although I think both Reed and Polamalu may have been part of that era they also were around as receivers started getting extra "protection".
@@Mike__B Ronnie would have definitely been fined a lot more lol
"When I'm standing over a man, and he's lying there with snot bubblin' up out of his nose, that's when I know I laid a lick on him." - Ronnie Lott
He also cut wr and rbs in half lol
Reed was pretty good at blocking punts and they even had him returning kicks at one point. The difference is he was so valuable in the backfield on passing downs that it would be foolish to have him up on the line of scrimmage most of the time. Polamalu was a freak of nature whereas Reed just somehow always knew where the ball was going.
Reed was a ball hawk, Polamalu was a person hawk
Reed and Lewis spent a ton of time in the film room. His instincts were also amazing. He trusted himself in knowing where the ball was going
@@zdr7420 😂😭😭😭😭
@@zdr7420 except that Reed was just as good of a run stopper/tackler. People forget that, Ed Reed was just as good against the run, and much better against the pass.
“Footballs come to Ed Reed” - Some announcer on a random Sunday
As a Washington fan, I would like to be the person to say RIP Sean Taylor, i think you could say that he was the perfect mix of Ed and Troy. Made plays like a linebacker but also sat back and made great interceptions like a DB
Bears fan here.. Sean Taylor the GOAT!! Favorite non Bear I've ever watched
Taylor is my favorite player of all time !! I was so upset when I heard the news of his passing… He was Superman on the field and seemed invincible honestly 😎😎
Ppl need to stop calling him the goat, he was a star player for a few years, that’s not enough to earn that title regardless of how it ended
As a U fan I agree 💯 dash some Dawkins in there as well
Hank Hill Weapon X is underrated!! My 2 favorites honestly! Dawkins was a complete monster on the field !!!
Ed Reed was crazy
So I take him any day of the week
Troy was “crazy” too! Anyone on an NFL defense that loves that kind of contact, has a lot of crazy in them
Bob sanders will always be my favorite. That dude was an animal
If he could have stayed healthy, he very well could have been in this conversation.
Never heard of him
@@NobleVagabond2552 defensive player of year and played 10 games , single handedly was the only play maker besides freeney mathis
@@NobleVagabond2552 yo I need you to look him up. He was the safety for the Colts during Peyton playing days. He was a absolute monster. He couldn't stay healthy bc he'd pop people to hard. His body betrayed him. But if he had less injuries and stayed on the field more he'd be H.O.F........... Also look up Sean Taylor(another safety, he'd been H.O.F. as well if he wasn't murdered)
Hawkeye boy
It’s between Ronnie Lott and Ed Reed for me. Hard to choose.
Ed reed fs. I’d consider Ronnie a corner
@@himmothy111 Ronnie was definitely a FS during his career and not a corner lol
How? Troy Polamalu is hands down the best of all time. The instincts are 2nd to none.
liliberty Troy isn't a better ball hawk than Ed Reed
@@sonsofliberty3081 Ed reed had 64 picks, Troy had 32. Ed’s a better ball hawk for sure
IMO Reed is the best Free Safety of all time. Troy was the best SS of all time. And anyone who says Lott or Dawkins are the best arent wrong either. Im glad were all able to witness their talent.
But did Ed Reed ever line up in the C Gap?
Did troy score TDs on the regular lol?
@@LebronTraveled24 lmao yeah he did and took one to the baja against the ravens in the playoffs to send them boys home ✌🏼✌🏼
Yes he blocked so many punts and also returned punts
@@LebronTraveled24 I mean Troy did tho.. both are all times greats at their position.
I think Brian Dawkins is one of the best safety's ever!
He was
Top 5 for sure
Dawkins gets no love
I'm a die hard Steelers fan, have been since the days of Jerome Bettis and Kordell Stewart. My best friend is a die hard Ravens fan, born and raised in Baltimore. We came to a mutual agreement years ago that trying to decide who is the greatest between Polamalu and Reed is honestly a mute point because, even though they were both safeties, they were different kinds of safety. Polamalu was a hybrid/box safety who came up in run support or as a pass rusher almost as much as or sometimes more than he covered and Reed was a cover safety. They were both great at what they did but trying to say one was better than the other is kinda dumb because they weren't the same.
Moot point
And that’s not what it means either.
Towards the end of his career, polamalu played more linebacker. But for a guy everyone likes to say played the box, he sure made a lot key plays intercepting the ball. Whether it was the pick against the chargers in the snow or the one against the ravens that sent them to the super bowl.
Sean Taylor would have definitely been in the running for GOAT safety R.I.P.
As a life long Giants fan I can concur on this statement.
We had some great safeties back in the 2000-2010 era. Reed, Polamalu, Dawkins, Taylor, Lynch, Bob Sanders, Roy Williams when he was a Cowboy, Adrian Wilson, Reggie Nelson. My God we had some animals. Now that the Game has changed, there are only a hand full of safeties that stand out.
Brian Dawkins #20 aka Weapon X aka Wolverine is the greatest to do it. When I was 12 years old I went to my first eagles game and there he was before the game, walking back and forth in the end zone not saying a word, not doing anything, just walking and getting ready. What a player!
Ed Reed is the goat. But if Sean Taylor had been able to play out his career, we would be talking about him. Head and Shoulders above the rest, right Troy 😂
Sean Taylor would’ve most definitely been at least top 3 of all time
He he died early so he’s definitely top 5 all time because of that
So we not gonna mention Ronnie Lott?
Polamalu all day! Any player that has Bill Cowhers blessing to line up wherever the Jesus tells him to, including the C GAP, has my vote 🙏
Nah Reed was better
@@feynmanschwingere_mc2270 nope. not even close
@@crushedscouter9522 Ed Reed was way better. This is not even close.
@@erikpuka2627 lol reed wasn't in the same galaxy as troy. inferior in every way. not even close
I’ve said from time and time again - you can’t compare the two.
They were entirely different positions in entirely different schemes and styles.
Of the 2000s-2010s safeties Reed, Polamalu and Dawkins were monsters, Philly, Pittsburgh and Baltimore created a bermuda triangle where wide recievers, running backs and tight ends went missing.
Greatest coach of all time said it, I’ve seen them all nuff said Ed Reed. Bill Belichick. You don’t hear him at all talk about Polamalu like that. Steve AtWater and Cam Chancellor was a better player in the box then ray.
Nuff said bro....Factz
Than* Ray who? Ray Lewis?
they're the kind of players you tell your kids about! they played like heat seeking missiles and were always in the right place at the right time because of their knowledge of the game. i know hyperbole is everywhere especially in sports but they really were legendary players. really fun to watch.
I truly believe I-Take was one of the most under-appreciated corners in the NFL ever !!
Remember that old AFC All-Pro defense. Monstrous.
Polamalu: 32 picks/14 forced fumbles/7 fumble recoveries
Reed: 64 picks/11 forced fumbles/13 fumble recoveries
I know stats aren't everything but if you watched ed reed play, this guy was the definition of a ball hawk. He was always around the ball. Ed reed is one of the most instinctive players to ever play. Not only the best safety but arguably one of the best defensive players ever.
And Dawkins beats them both of you going the stat route
The part that gets overlooked in the statbook comparison is sacks and tackles for loss. Which obviously heavily favor troy polamalu. Especially TKFL. In their Era, FS and SS were very different positions. I think it's fair to say they were both equally incredible.
Troy: 56 tkfl, 12 sacks
Ed: 32 tkfl, 6 sacks
@@tsnav8462 no they wasn't. Ed Reed was galaxies better. If you ever watched them play and I mean relaly watched them - you would know Ed Reed was way better. Just listen to the all time coaches and QBs talk about them. Its not really close.
@@tsnav8462 Right. Strong safety and free safety aren't the same position just because both have "safety" in their name.
@@erikpuka2627 That's not really an argument, that's just kind of how you feel.
Ed Reed was also a great return specialist his open field running ability is what I feel sets him apart from Troy.
Exactly!!!!! Ed was a threat to score on defense and special teams!
I think Troy’s TD across the field against Ed’s team when it counted most ends that conversation.
Naw that was one play. As I said both are great but Ed added a return element to the team that Troy didn't. Let's not forget Ed has 2 of the longest TD's in NFL history. One on Defense one on Special Teams.
Troy got 7 TD’s and 3 in the postseason. I’ll take them when it counts.
@@rolandjohnson6850 Ed has the most post season ints. Including the sb
Ed Reed is the greatest safety in the history of the league
Safty
Facts
@@Ravensfan842 Nice job trying to correct someone's spelling by just being WRONG. But Ronnie Lott is the SAFETY GOAT.
Troy has a camp for a week back in the Somos Islands for kid's. He hasn't forgotten his roots!!
I’m surprised Pat didn’t include big Bob Sanders.
What a shame he couldn’t stay on the field. He could of had a heck of a career.
Brian Dawkins is my guy, they all had their own styles. WEAPON X for life!! #20
Brian Dawkins! Can’t forget about Weapon X regardless if he couldn’t win it all.
He left Denver the year before they won and then left his Eagles administration job the year before they won lol poor guy.
Dawk is up there, but he's not in the Polamalu Reed convo.
@@anthonyluangphasi8800 chill my guy. Dawk has better numbers than both, the only difference is Ed has more Ints. Troy isn’t on Dawks level
We definitely can not forget sean taylor. From the 1st game he played in the nfl was an elite status. His life was tragically ended way to short r.i.p.
@Robert Barret I think they are doing strictly strong safeties
My thoughts exactly!!
Incredible elite and one of a kind but with that being said I don’t think he played long enough to be the best ever
Charles Woodson if he would of been a safety from the start.
"The Angel of Death was waiting in the C-gap..." =) XD
🐐 REEEEEEEEEEEED!!! 🐐
Its like comparing a point guard to a shooting guard. They have different strengths, different responsibilities and different skill sets. Unfair comparison and both were two of the greatest at what they did. Respect to both. I couldn't imagine having a defense with both of them out there at the same time. Crazy
Troy is one of my ALL TIME FAVORITE PEOPLE and PLAYER! What a kind soul off the field and explosive on the field. You could just not see him then BAM there he is!!
Where are my yinzers at? All I see is Ed Reed Propaganda... Troy effected every play. Ed Reed was a better Center fielder then any in history but no safety could stop you in as many way as 43. Best 2 of my Era easily.
Troy always made big time plays in big time moments
Ed Reed would be blocking FGs, making hits on KO coverage, taking it to the house 100 plus yards. I still remember that one hand INT from Troy. Next level stuff
@@jblaze600 Troy was making crazy 1 hand interceptions, jumping over the center or timing the snap count to sack the qb.
Appreciate both of them for what they both brought to the game….
After all the talks how is Paul Krause not in this conversation? He has a record that will NEVER be broken in an Era that was run dominated.
Because most of the kids don’t even know who he is.
Showin' your age, pal. I remember the Purple People Eaters.
B Dawkins needs to be in this conversation. Any of the top 5 guys can be in this discussion
Did y’all forget that Troy has jumped of the line for a sack? Troy is insane. Ed reed can cover anything. 2 different players. But off of athleticism Troy all day
Troy always showed up when it matters most
Ed reed has more athletic ability in his pinky then Troy
Ok lets just go recent and firget about lott
@@papasanders996 right
@@papasanders996 or John lynch
Both are ALL TIME GREATS but IMO it’s definitely Ed Reed 💯 Reed was better in coverage and was just as hard of a hitter as polomalu but I think their both top 3 safeties of all time alongside Ronnie Lott, and I wish we could have seen what sean Taylor would have become
Troy consistently would show up big late in the 4thhhhhhhhh so many times
Madden 04 man.. used to play with Pitt and Ike.. my favorite madden to this day.. Falcons fan an Vick was on tha cover but damn that was tha best madden to me hands down
This conversation only happens because we never got a full Sean Taylor career.
Sean would have be the greatest, sad his life was cut short.
Sean Taylor and Bob Sanders two guys who controlled the entire field at the safety position whether back in coverage or in the BOX
Niner fan but facts
Sean was an amazing talent but was not the cerebral player Reed was.
Ed reeds first 4 years were better than Sean soooo
John Lynch was a favorite safety of mine. He deserves some love too
Brian Dawkins still my#1
Ed Reed did not just sit back. He was a ballhawk,he was a hard hitter, special teams, returner
Sean Taylor would have been hands down but I've loved both of these Troy and Ed
I disagree… I think too much has been placed on his soul. We didn’t see his full career Pan out unfortunately, so there is no way of saying he would have been the best.
@@walshdog61 look at his stats the years he played in his 55 game career he had a total of 305 tackles that's 5 and a half tackles per game 12 INT's 8 forced fumbles. All in 55 games he would have been the greatest safety of all time if not the greatest defensive player.
@@walshdog61 That is why he said 'would have'. He didn't say Taylor IS the best ever. But anyone that watched him saw a man playing among boys. It was like when Lawrence Taylor, Randy Moss, Calven Johnson, Bo Jackson, Barry Sanders... played; they looked like they were playing at a different speed and some of them with far more power than everyone else on the field.
Reed and Polamalu additionally benefitted from longevity on top of high level abilities, which is a valuable trait (in fact in the real world it is probably one of the most important traits and the reason we can only say 'what if' when mentioning Sean taylor instead of saying he WAS the best), but in the fantasy world of 'best evah' debates, I like to go by sheer freakish talent and physical ability; and in that case when discussing safeties, I would put Taylor above anyone.
This is essentially a debate between conservative pass defense and aggressive pass rush.
Safeties function as a hybrid CB/LB position.
Pat and the C gap will be forever remembered
Polamalu was a Safety? I thought his big ass was an Edge Rusher 😂😂
Would’ve been the best duo in history if they both wound up on the same team but which one you want depends on what your d currently looks like; if my box sucks and my corners are pretty good then I take Troy to cause chaos up front , if my corners suck and then give me Ed reed to cover the entire back end.
Troy and E-D Reed in the same defensive backfield? That would have to be illegal.
That's what I always say about Urlacher and Lewis, they played two different styles.
Gimme Ed reed I love Troy but Ed reed was just a pure ball hawk
It really all comes down to your personal play style. You want a pick artist then take ed. Want big hits near the line of scrimmage take Troy
You can have both they played different positions.
As a Steeler fan, Troy is probably my all time favorite to dawn the black and gold. That being said, Ed Reed deserves his flowers. They were great in their own ways, both top 3 I have seen play including Dawkins of course.
Dawkins is #1 Weapon X baby!!
Ed Reed didn’t have the line of scrimmage play that Troy P did, Troy P lived in the backfield. And how we can have a greatest safety conversation without Ronnie Lott is surprising
What debate? Ed Reed by a mile.
I love the rivalry between Baltimore and Pittsburgh. It's hard and you don't want to lose to them at all cost but in the end its fair, it stays on the field and you can respect each other
Brian Dawkins always gets forgotten
Shoutout to easily one of the best safety tandems ever, Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor. Dont forget Ronnie Lott, not near enough people talk about him anymore.
Troy all the way! Reed was definitely the better ball hawk, but Troy did still have one of the greatest interceptions of all time! Diving and picking off a ball with his fingertip that was almost on the ground after a deflection.
Ed Reed, Bob Sanders, Adrian Wilson, Sean Taylor for my favorite safeties. Throw C Wood in there, unless you wanna count him as a CB. Earl Thomas would be fighting for a spot too
Polamalu and Reed play two different positions. That’s like trying to compare a WR and TE
Actually they are both safties
It's not tho. Safety its so unique because you use all. Not an easy position have to read the offense well to come up and make a play. Kinda like the qb of the defense in a sense.
@@LocdNLoad no they are both safties not quarterbacks
The question is preference. I'd prefer Reed cause he not only would he INT the ball but he had homerun ability EVERY SINGLE TIME he touched the ball (INT, fumble recovery, etc.)
💯Any mention of troy and the c-gap gets an automatic like from me
Damn no Dawkins
Best safety I’ve seen is Sean Taylor, out of Read and Troy I’m taking Troy both different and kinda silly to compare but I’d take Troy, Big Kam is also in the conversation, that man was a complete warrior.
Was there ever a debate?
Polamalu was far superior than Reed in all aspects: athleticism, intelligence, instinct, etc.
What about Brian Dawkins? I feel like he should be mentioned with those 2.
He should but the media never fully gives proper respect to Philadelphia Eagles players, past or present. Just a bunch of haters.
They both were the best and who the hell wouldn't want either one of them on their team!
I love Troy Polamalu, but to honest im a bit biased due to me being a Steelers fan. Not to diminish what Ed Reed has has accomplished. Glad both in HoF!!
Ed all the way
These two greats would pail in comparison to Ronnie Lott. Best to ever play the position
I certainly wouldn't say pale in comparison....
A different era. It’s only been a decade but it’s just not the same, Ben and Flacco took shots that would get a linebacker arrested these days. The game is soft Lamar and Old Ben would not survive a quarter against mid 2000’s defenses
I would rather have an Anchor Man newscast brawl style when the different teams get together to train lol
I'm glad I lived through the greatest era of safeties.
Troy polamalu
Ed Reed
Brian Dawkins
john lynch
Sean taylor
Pat Tillman
Bob sanders
So y’all talking bout Ed reed and polamalu what about Ronnie Lott? Why isn’t he in this conversation
I like Troy but idk how this is even a debate, Ed Reed is the best Safety, best DB that ever played the game.
I think Ronnie Lott & Troy are top 2 Ed is 3d. Thats just because i like the Steelers so im bias. However amyone cam interchange these.
I would agree with this, and as a homer pick, have got to consider BamBam Cam Chancellor. Shorter career I believe but Cam was fun to watch too.
Ed Reed and not even close
Imagine Troy playing behind Ray Lewis just for a second and u have your answer....
Cant talk like this without Ronnie Lott...
Troy in my opinion 🙏🏻
Sean Taylor, Ed Reed, Troy. Dawkins. Either way, they from the U!🙌 Rip to the GOAT🙏♥️
Wasn’t Troy a SS and Ed a FS? Lott and Atwater gotta be in the convo.
Both excellent players.
The answer…and only answer is Edward Reed. Go ask Belichick who worried him the most on game days….but I gotta mention Darren Woodson…he was the mold for Reed, Taylor, and Polamalu.
Ryan clark was the best part of Troy's game. He made all the plays on the backend while troy was freelancing at linebacker
lol you never watched the steelers. ryan clark was garbage
There is this guy named RONNIE LOTT that might wanna throw his hat in there😂😂😂. Hands down, best ever in my opinion😁
Ed Reed was the best at reading a defense from the back end. Troy was the best at going down in the trenches. Then my favorite Safety Brian Dawkins was an inbetween Safety that could do both well
Just feel like Ed made smarter plays when he wasn't jumping routes