I bought the champion 2000 gas. I soon upgraded to the 2500 dual fuel. I was so pleased, I bought 2 two more. I eventually bought the parallel kit. They are great little machines.
Bought the 2000w champion dual fuel inverter generator two years ago, and love it. Contrary to instructions, you DO need to choke it (two pulls) when using propane. Then one pull set at propane and it starts up right away. I plan to never use gasoline, never! I use it mainly to re-charge my ANKER 767 2048w battery generator with 2048w expansion battery. Battery powers all my 120v breakers through an inlet wired to my electrical panel, using safety switch. Used the set up three times here in SWFL most recently following hurricane Milton, for three days.
I bought one of these 2.5 years ago. I have run nothing but propane, so I don't have to drain the carb between uses. I pull it out every 6-8 weeks to run it to make sure it is ready when I need it. Mone has 4 screws holding the side panel on. A little less convenient than the thumb screws, but no tabs to fight with. During the recent unpleasantness, I was able to power our refrigerator, freezer, a few lamps, a crock pot, and the TV/Satellite (it was a Football Saturday, after all). Unplugging the fridge and freezer let us run the microwave and the coffeemaker for a bit. We were able to get about 36 hours from a 20# propane bottle running it continuously. Side benefit to the propane is that our local hardware store can refill the bottles (no electricity required) if you can pay cash. I, too, added an induction hour-meter. I'm nearing the 50 hour mark, so I'll do an oil-change this weekend.
I own two Champions, this one as my backup, backup generator, and a larger electric start duel -fuel that I use as our main backup generator. We just had a power outage and the regulator broke on my larger gen, so this little 2500-watt set came to the rescue! We use only propane.
I thought about buying a Honda but for the price I decided to buy two Champions and parallel them together. Two of these was still cheaper than a Honda. This way I can run one generator for the majority of uses that I need it for and only start the other one in extreme cases when I need that extra power. Best of both worlds . Also in a storm if one dies for some reason I always have a backup.
I purchased a Champion large frame 87000 running watt (9500 peak) after a freak ice storm left us without power for 5 days. This has never happened before in the 55 years I have lived here. After the ice storm, I told my wife we are getting a generator. She thought I was nuts. I bought the Champion from Costco and installed a separate plug in weatherproof box. I wired the house following all the proper guidelines running conduit encased thhn. The cables run to the sump pump, furnaces, refrigerators some lighting, gas cooktop with electric ignition and several specially located outlets. All the devices are isolated from my main panel by using plug in or appropriately sized dpdt switches. Exactly one year to the day later, hurricane Sandy hit. 7 days without power. Wife happy.
I had no issues with using trufuel. When I finish cutting my grass for a season and I store my equipment away and by the next season, I can pull the same equipment out a couple of pulls and it start right up.
The version with the cigarette lighter adapter is the one you want because you can plug in a higher output USB charger into it and also a cigarette lighter adapter to car battery charging cables or other 12 volt devices such as an air pump or 12 volt fridge.
I have a Predator, Champion, Honda, and Multiquip. The MQ is an open frame, 6500 watt beast. It's loud and way too heavy for one person to move. The other 3 generators are similar, with the Honda being the "best" as well as by far the most expensive. If I only had one generator it would be the Honda. The Champion is the 4k unit and is my newest. The Predator is several years old and shows it, but it still runs fine. The true test of a generator for most applications is how it starts and runs after sitting for several months. I use all of my small generators around the farm, so they get used monthly, at the least. The MQ is older and for emergencies, so it rarely is used. I just fire it up every couple of weeks for 20 minutes or so. I've begun switching my allegiance to the Solar Generators over the past 2 years. I can charge a SoGen using any of the gas generators in an emergency, and I can then run them indoors, and that's a huge advantage. A 2kw SoGen, you pick the brand, costs about what a Honda 2k costs, AND can be recharged with solar, home AC, or a gas generator. I live in hurricane/thunderstorm territory. I can run an 8k BTU AC for 3-4 hours in a 2k SoGen. AC and freezers is my main concern for a power outage. The SoGens are really getting down in price. Don't get me wrong, I don't ever want to be without a gas generator. I keep 20 gallons of gas onhand at all times and just cycle it through the lawn mowers. The Honda is not dual fuel but the Predator and Champion are. I keep 2 30-pound propane tanksin the barn and use them as extras for the camper. That means I always have 4 of the 30-pound tanks as well as 2 of the 20 pound tanks on hand. The 10 pound tanks are used on the deep Fryer. The beauty of propane is that it is so much easier to store, and it basically lasts forever, while gasoline goes stale after a few months. If cost is the main issue, I'd probably go with Predator and buy the extended warranty. I'm not a big fan of Harbor Freight power tools, but Predator generators have proven themselves to be very dependable. I would avoid all the super cheap generators on Amazon. A generator is normally needed for emergency situations, so you don't need one that won't start when you need it to.
In an emergency I want my equipment to work. I was so close to buying a Champion 2500 Dual Fuel, but have now convinced myself to buy a Honda. Yep, it’s more than the Chanoion, but I will save in my piggy bank $40/month over the next year to cover the delta.
All I can say is I have had my Honda Eu2000 for over 16 years and it runs like new. Yes, it was expensive, but I challenge any other less expensive brand to hold up like this little Honda we have. we have used in in our Boat, our RV's, tent camping and backup power when the power goes out. It has be USED a lot and still starts right up with no issues. Love these Hondas.
@@Outdoor_Prepper The EU2200 is $1099 at Home Depot. Spend it now and have it for along time. I have yet to find any other generator that will last this long with no issues...but hey maybe I was lucky. I know so many friends that bought the Champions, Yamahas, Generac and none of them lasted more than a couple years. So they had to buy another "cheaper" generator and end up spending more than me. But hey, to each their own.
@@dubmob151 No, my neighbors have owned them. They work great while they last. However, they have gone thru 3 of them while my little honda just keeps on going.
@@markk171 a contributing factor could be that you just take better care of your equipment. Do you run it regularly or drain out the carb for long term storage? Good maintenance schedule?
I just ran a full case (4 gallons) of Trufuel that I purchased when Covid first hit. 4.5 years old and no problems at all. The "gallons" are actually 110 ounces, so slightly less than a gallon (128 ounces). FYI, I also had 5 gallons of normal unleaded treated with Sta-Bil that was the same age. It also had no problems. I tested the fuels first in my Honda engined lawn mower that is quite sensitive to bad fuel (mainly because a new carburetor is $20 on Amazon and very easy to replace). Ran fine, put the fuels in my Subaru and the car burned them with zero issues.
I've had this generator (same thing, but all black) for a couple years now. I've experienced all the same things you have, including installing the same kind of hour meter. You hit both all the bumps and great things about it. I have experienced the difficult propane starting. I may be wrong, but without currently having the user manual in front of me, I think the manual I have may not have mentioned moving the control from choke to propane after the initial pulls. On the other hand, I have noticed that I can easily start it on gasoline, then plug in the propane hose and it will switch to propane and run on that. Then change the control to propane. Another thing I've noticed is after running on gasoline, the spark plug will get the black, oily contamination that a gasoline engine usually does, but after running on propane for a little while the plug will clean right up. Run on propane, you'll never want to change the plug. Regarding running my camper 13,500 BTU air conditioner, my generator will do it on propane, but I have to take it off of Eco mode to be able to start it. A good review of a great generator, in my opinion.
I had mine run couple months this summer its my favorite and easy to maintenance over time it does get gunked up and ended up losing all power.Took all apart cleaned it up well and found muffler was plugged up bad and once cleaned got full power back.Very pleased after being very bummed.so be careful before ya give up on this guy hes a winner
I have two of these and they easily start on propane. Choke every time, pull till it coughs, then switch to propane and start it. I also noticed and agree that the eco low idle is much higher and louder than when on gasoline. That's really unfortunate but they're still quiet.
I have two of these, I also had an older version that was square. I actually prefer that older style because they stack on top of each other. The biggest gripe I have with Champion is they changed the parallel connectors to square plugs so you have to buy their parallel kit. I understand why they did it but I hate when manufacturers do that crap instead of having a universal design. Before anyone says it's not a big deal, it is for me because the older parallel kit I have has the round plugs that all the other manufacturers use. So I had to spend another $80 for their parallel kit.
Cover panel:Initially ridgid it will soften up.When removing simply put a sight bend in the middle of the door.When installing insert bottom tabs first and there is some side to side play to install it. You may break a little tab until you get the hang of it. Spark plug door push down on as you pull out,it’ll slide right out. Spark plug bolt-definitely use a pair of hose pliers for simple removal.
I have three generators. A Honda 2000, a Generac 3275 and a champion 2500 gas model. I was running a Makita 14 amp jackhammer and the only one that ran my jackhammer was the champion. The Honda overheated and the Generac kept popping the breaker. The cheapest generator ran the jackhammer all day.
All generators are slightly different but I firmly believe that you should do a 5 hour run with varying loads and then change the oil. It will absolutely help it to last longer. Thanks for watching!
The zero governor regulator (big pancake regulator after the combined regulator) requires a vacuum to open or press the override button if equipped. The override will allow you to purge the line of air. I could see something that looked like an override button, but not enough to be sure one is installed.
I have a similar generator (model 200961, 2500W dual fuel) and it got me through Milton. It doesn't have the CO monitor, but I never run it inside. I also got a Champion 200914 4250W, and during a 3 day power outage, the 2500W was much better for me than the 4250W model. The 4250W was overkill. All I ran was my fridge and a small room A/C. It was really quiet, and very economical on both types if fuel. Going back, I would have only gotten the 2500W. As far as starting, they both started extremely easily. I think there might be a market for a 2500W with electric start. I live around many retirees, and they don't need a big generator and can't pull a pull cord. Anyway, Champion for the win!
You can actually wrap the engine timer wire around the spark plug wire lower down where it is easier to work. Works great, have done this with every Champion inverter (2KW gas square, 3.4KW dual fuel, 2.5KW dual fuel and 4KW dual fuel). Works on all of those units. Also, if the inverter starts to run (roughly) while doing the propane choke procedure, flip the fuel switch to propane and the unit will keep running. I've found the inverter runs for 4 or 5 seconds in the choke mode before shutting down, so if you make the change to the propane while it's running on choke, you don't need to keep pulling. The people who run into problems when in the propane mode probably haven't bothered to read the directions. Also the power output on propane is about 8 to 10% lower than on gasoline. FYI, I never use gasoline in my dual fuel inverters. I don't have to worry about issues with gummed up carbs and stale gasoline.
The bummer about Champion 2000s is that they do not have a fuel filter; instead, they have a filter in the gas intake. I have had three, and the tiny jets in the carburetor get clogged. If not cleaned regularly, the generator will 'surge' and run rough. When it runs well, it's a great generator, but add an inline fuel filter if you have the skills.
I wish you could have a sine wave of the electricity that comes out. I want one of these Inverter generator after my old generator would not run my furnace because of a dirty sine wave.
I will pull the trigger on this generator even though I own the Champion 3400W and a Yamaha 3000-watt. Both are excellent machines, but I would like something lighter and smaller to throw in the pickup for camping. I run my RV on the Yamaha, and it does fantastic, but it, too, is way overpriced. Living in a hurricane country, having generators is a must. I like the idea of the duel fuel due to the availability of propane during hurricanes. Gasoline will be completely sold out 2 days before the storm hits. Propane, however, will usually be available. Great review. I liked and subbed.
Thanks, this is a great review. These small generators have really gotten very good over the last few years. They are reliable and provide a moderate amount of power, and if you need more power, you can link 2 together. But individually they are easy to move around since they are compact and under 50 pounds. Of course a high-output generator seems ideal, but they are bigger, heavier, and more expensive, and you need a lot more fuel to run them. In an emergency, you can often run essential home needs on 2000 or 4000 watts, and you won't need 15 or 20 gallons per day of fuel like you would if had a large generator. That's a lot of gasoline or propane, and realistically, most people don't have that amount of fuel on hand for multiple days. If an emergency hits, gas stations may not be available or may run out, so it's smart to be efficient. If you have a well pump, or something else that requires 240 volt power, then you probably have to get a larger generator, and will need the corresponding quantities of fuel for it.
Those are all great points and I totally agree with you! A small portable generator really is a lifesaver. It’s fuel efficient, portable, and can power a fridge, lights, phone chargers and some basic stuff. In a true emergency you want to conserve fuel and run as efficiently as possible and only emergency loads. Thanks for watching!
I have a champion 4500 dual fuel I really do like that generator it's very quiet you do not have to choke it to start it on propane the chokes for the carburetor only but I would go somewhere else and get my propane if I was you Blue rhino is too expensive check out places in your area that refills propane tanks and get a lot cheaper and a lot Fuller tractor supply has it for $3.49 im paying $3.35
I’m glad you are happy with your generator! That’s a good tip about refilling your propane tanks at a different place for a better deal. I agree blue rhino is a ripoff it’s better to get the tank refilled
It’s a good unit, I have one. Also, some of the units that have problems starting on propane, all you have to do move the fuel selector switch one way or the other to get propane flow. If you put the switch exactly on propane it will not start.
I have two Champion dual-fuel generators, a 3400 and 2000. I use propane because it’s a lot cleaner and safer to run and store. Beats having one gas Honda any day.
I’m actually a very big fan of Westinghouse! I used to own a Westinghouse 7000/9000 watt generator. It was a bit on the louder side since it was not an inverter but it was a solid unit that worked well and I never had a problem with it. Thanks for watching!
I've had no issues but the spark plug access cover. Always run on propane using synthetic oil. Rins about half throttle on echo and will charge 600 AH battery bank thru a 45 amp Iota DLS charger in about an hour an a half.
No way in hell a 45 amp charger is charging a 600AH bank in 1.5 hours. There is math and science to this, and your math is not mathing at all. 12.8 x 600Ah = 7,680 watt hours. 45A x 14.6V = 657 W. 7680/657 = 11.6 hours. Science says your 600Ah bank will take 11 hours to charge with a 45A charger. You're claiming you can do it in 1.5 hours. LOL. Cool story bro, but needs more dragons.
Thank you for the information, video and effort you put into your channel !! Would you have any information or recommendations for an exhaust extension? I'd very much like to be able to use my generator from within inside my garage during rainy as well as very cold and snowy conditions. Emergency situations seldom arise when the sun is out ... being able to safely use the generator inside the garage and the exhaust being routed 10-12 feet to the outside would be awesome!!
I've got a little IGAN generator tent that works well with 2500 dual-fuel in rain and snow. Keeping the generator 25ft away from dwelling is good. important important
Before you fired up and read the instructions. Replace, and or modify with magnet the oil filled drain plug. During the initial breaking it will solve many problems and add hours to the life. Me and mister Tesla like the hour or a minute give it 5 stars and thumbs up. Upgrade the spark plug right off the bat as suggested by many in this thread. Add backup air filters. Replacements. Is summer wash your bone and recycle a bulk and others are not. With respect to the easy access on the port side of this unit. OK break out your arrange to take out the 4 corners and you have greater access to the spark plug in everything out there I'm only sure you try.
Hello, I agree with the comment. Using a magnetic oil dipstick or drain plug, and changing the oil out during break in will probably add lots of life to the generator. These small generators use less than a quart of oil, so there is no reason not to spend a few dollars and do a break in and change the oil a few times. It's literally less than $5 or $10 to do this.
The Champion 2500 has a few minor flaws. One the propane regulator will lock up if the pressure is turned on too fast with an very full propane tank. Also this model only has USB plugs instead of a 12 volt barrel plug which I would use for a lot of car accessories. The spark plug installed is not gapped to the specs in the manual, It was hardly gapped at all. I had no issues screwing the meter into the device and sliding the cord into the sliding door. I will most likely never use gas in it. 20 lbs. Propane tanks will run a long time.
@@stevenj7045 that’s actually a great question and I own the AC180! I will do a test of that a post a video but my guess would be approx 1.5 hours. Thanks for watching
The manual states to place in choke , pull cord 3-5 times as it purges air from the propane line then switch to propane and start. Thanks for watching!
@@peterevenhuis2663 I ended up getting one. Hooked it to propane, opened valve slowly, primed/choked for 4 pulls, then switched to propane and it started right up!!!
I don't think anything beats a Honda, but most of us don't really need a Honda. Honda's are made to run food trucks 24/7 for years, most of us just need it for a few days every few years.
And I know you said something about the true fuel as a small engine mechanic myself I can tell you you really don’t need Just get yourself some 89 from a reputable pump And just throw in some stable Marien 360 I have had gas last almost 2 years in the tank of my generac 6500 and still start first pull And if it doesn’t have a fule shut off make sure to install one because a lot of people don’t know you can leave fuel in the tank as long there’s no fule in the carb it can sit a lot longer
@@WayneTheSeine I figured it out. I had the hose to the propane hook up attached to the generator. Once I unplugged that the gas started right and kept running.
Tempting, but who's gonna repair it if it fails? One big reason we paid full tilt at our Honda dealer. The Harbor Freight Predator was tempting too, but we never found anyone that would service it either.
That’s a fair question. In my experience generally speaking all these generators are pretty reliable regardless of brand as long as you do proper maintenance. Clean the air filter, change spark plug, use fuel stabilizer and don’t let the fuel go bad and gunk up the carb, and you really should have no problems at all. But I do agree anything that’s not a Honda will be more difficult to bring to a repair shop. Most of these other brands though including champion will send you replacement parts if you need them and it really is not too difficult to work on it yourself. Thanks for watching!
While Champion is no Honda, I called them last Friday for a part and it just arrived today, Monday, over the weekend! Generally, I'm not a fan of Chinese gens other than Champion.
“ BEST “ in my books is the one most reliable, given that it’s maintained properly, it should work when it is needed the most for its intended purpose regardless of weather conditions etc . Looks, noise levels and gimmick are all secondary, I am not loyal to any one brand.
@@vrod1a well said! Maintenance is key and with regular maintenance a generator will last a long time! The champion happens to be dual fuel which is a huge plus over the Honda which is only gasoline. Thanks for watching!
Propane has about 25% less energy density than gasoline. It would be interesting to see how much less of a load the Champion would handle while running on propane.
I have this one and it runs everything in my house while on propane with the exception of the microwave oven. We max it out for sure, but it's only a backup to our main generator.
I like the title for this video, especially the part about "crushing Honda". I'm sure the Chinese preschoolers who assembled this thing appreciate the enthusiastic reception of their efforts here in the U.S. I'll stick with my Hondas.
Haha! For the price power ratio and being dual fuel it really does crush the Honda. Agreed that ultimately Honda is more reliable but if you’re only occasionally needing a portable generator and not using it 24/7, the champion is a great economical option! Thanks for watching!
I've had both. It really depends on your needs. If you're running a food cart several hours a day everyday, then yeah, go Honda. If you need backup power 2 or 3 times a year, Champion is perfectly sufficient. I will say that Hondas hold their value--sold mine for almost what I paid new. Chinese gens are basically disposable--I give them to a neighbor when I want a newer model.
I used to have several non inverter generators but through the years I grew tired of the noise and bad fuel efficiency as well as the dirty power. With the inverters, they are much quieter, use less fuel, and produce very clean power. There is definitely still a use case for a large non inverter generator and especially is you need 240v though. Thanks for watching!
I would get a bigger unit. The running watts on that ac is probably anywhere between 900 to 1200 alone. If that fridge and ac compressors are running at the same time you could have issues. I have this particular unit I use for hurricanes down in Florida. I use it to charge my solar power stations when there is no sun. It's a really good generator. I would in your scenario run that ac when I could make sure it didn't trip the generator. These generators and solar power stations I would never run them endlessly at full capacity. It's like driving your car as fast as it will go all the time. Your car won't last neither will these generators.
It would be lucky to run the air conditioner by its self. It might run the refrigerator by its self. Something I've learned about inverter generators if the Red Overload light comes on You Better Back Off Power Immediately! Or you will easily burn out the inverter board. They inverter boards are very weak in these cheap Chinese inverter generators!!!!
@@tomtee4442 I whole heartily agree. The most I will run on this generator is 2 600 watt power bricks to charge my solar generators. I learned that lesson exactly the way you stated. Champion sent me a new control board free of charge but do not run these generators full board. No one with a brain cell drives their car like that don't use a generator or power station like that.
Thanks for watching - I think I can do it - the window ac and fridge will have a higher starting wattage so as long as they don’t both kick in at the same time it should be able to handle it
Here in the U.K. the Honda is £1200 minimum, approx £=$1.25 making it very expensive the Champion dual fuel is £579 less than half ! The gas only model is £429 !
If you want to put a generator to the test live off grid! I, a friend of mine and a neighbor that all live off grid have killed Honda’s in the past. Don’t get me wrong., When a Honda works they are fine. It’s when they stop working and you need to get them repaired. All 3 Honda EU2000’s I owned died before 2000 hours and were not worth repairing.
@@ursamajor6546 the specs and runtime on the box plus the price make it great! My testing confirms what I believed prior to opening the box. Thanks for watching!
My iPhone has lasted well and still looks like new at almost 3 years. My androids were always pretty beat after about 18 months. But, the androids were not better built. I have taken much better care of my iPhone because my android phones were all about $200 and my iPhone was about $1100. Perhaps some of the Honda people take better care of theirs because they cost so much.
That’s a good comparison and could be the case. Maintenance is key for any generator and will definitely help them last a long time. Thanks for watching!
I bought one last year. Had difficulty getting it to start (propane only never put gasoline in it). Champion replaced it and I had the same problem a month later. I returned it.
Try opening the propane valve S - L - O - W - L - Y! There is a video somewhere that describes a check valve in the propane hose that shuts if you open the propane valve too quickly. One of the Champion employees has been trying to get the company to include that information in the owner's manual.
@@dzcav3is the check valve in the propane regulator assembly or in the generator? It sounds like those washing machine hoses that protect against catastrophic breakage flooding the house if it detects a surge flow beyond normal requirements.
@@Outdoor_Prepper I bought a Wen 3600 dual fuel. Used it during a recent power outage in Omaha and it will run our 15k but RV A/C. A good balance of power and weight.
I would definitely say it’s not gonna last as long And not as reliable without Maintenance just off of the price and the ability for it to be able to take propane and gas I would say it’s better than the Honda because in real life situation that is definitely awesome to be able to use propane in an emergency when you run out of gas or your gas goes bad
Thank you! I agree maintenance is absolutely key and while a Honda would certainly last longer if you didn’t do maintenance I think the champion is a great unit and the ability to run natural gas is a huge benefit over the Honda! For the price you just can’t beat it - but make sure to change the oil frequently, change the spark plug as needed, and lightly oil the air filter. Thanks for watching!
I bought a Winco Lil Dog generator. It is 2400 watts, surge 3000. Its not an inverter generator. Its single phase. It was $768. It has a Honda GC 160 engine. I couldn't use an inverter generator to run my inverter welder. The welder takes 2400 watts. It starts first pull every time.
I had one 2500watts ...1.0 the pull cord broke after 6 months ...2.0 .when run out gas it was hard to get to start again...3.0.sometimes the pull cord will get lock up like the piston locked up...not a long term generator hondas are by far the best ...Under propane the generator efficiency is lower than gas propane is only 75% compared to a gallon of gas... propane is very expensive ...tip: put a NGK iridium spark plug generator will run much better start faster...
Propane operation is the way to go if you have just a short term need for the generator; if it turns into an extended use need, then switch over to gas. After you're done, switch back to propane operation to purge all the ethanol laced gas from the fuel system to keep it from gumming up the works. For long term storage, try to clear out all traces of gasoline from the generator, from tank to carburetor.
Thanks for Watching! For small gasoline and propane units it does not hurt the generator to run without a load. That becomes more of an issue for diesel generators.
The manufacturer requires an oil change after the 5 hour break-in period. If you are camping for the first time, who wants to stop and do an oil change in the woods?
I tried to go the cheap way out. I bought 2 New cheap Chinese inverter generators. I won't mention the generators names for liability. The one New generator stopped making power. The other New generator the engine locked up. The generators would cost more to fix than they were worth. They are truly disposable units! I hate to say I lost some money by buying disposable generators. I went and bought Hondas and installed tri fuel kits and only run propane. Honda has more start up and running anps than anything in its class! This is why generators are compared to Hobda the Red One! The Champion 2500 watt 79cc engine versus the Honda 2200 watt 121cc engine. Champion doesnt even come close! My Honda 2200 starts my 4 horsepower Craftsman filull size wet and dry shop vac, 200 amp DC Battery Charger, small Craftsman air compressor, every wood working and hand tool I own. My New Chinese generators before they stopped making power wouldn't run all these appliances. Honda 2200 is the Only generator that will run the 13,500 BTU RV Roof Top Air Conditioner On Propane. Honda has a generator that has 39,000 hours on it! That time added up is like running the Honda for over 2 years continuously! Nothing else will even come close! It's that old saying you get what you pay for!
I’ve had a big 9,000 watt champion since hurricane Isabel. It ran 11 days back then and we used it many times since then. Back then, there was no dual fuel on these, and despite using 10% ethanol gasoline, I turn off the gas when shutting down to run it dry, and since then, it has never failed to start. I wish I had bought an inverter generator 2500-3000 watts, back when they had a lifetime warranty from memory.
I call bs on your story. Sounds like you own a Honda and want to justify the 1k tag. I’m not saying it’s not the best, but I do agree you can get the same power for 1/3 the cost, guaranteed 😊
I just stick with Honda only because I have had issues with champion they will warranty some of the stuff. But when you need it you need it. Don’t want to go broke when you need it.
Put a straw in your mouth. Hold your finger over the open end so no air can escape. Blow as hard as you can, for as long as you can. In a short period of time you will learn that the air has no where to go. You will become overworked and drained. Such is the same principle for a generator. It’s pushing and pushing power, but it has no where to go, resulting in premature failure. Hope this explains it SIMPLE terms.
Propane actually burns very clean, doesn’t gum up the carb, and can run 34 hours on a tank! It’s also gasoline so you can run either - it gives you more options during a power outage. Thanks for watching!
Not really. I keep my gen in a shed with two 30lb tanks. I can run my house on that for a few days, and have, while my neighbors were trying to figure out how to get to the gas station (we were snowed-in and the stations were shut down anyway because no power). If the propane runs out (which it never has) I can pump gas from one of our cars. Also, propane doesn't spoil in 6 months like gas.
There is a reason that Honda generators cost more than your dual fuel generator. I hate to say this but the truth is that your Champion 2500 dual fuel generator will experience more of a voltage drop then the smaller Honda EU 2000. Reason being is that the Champion has a tiny 79cc engine where the Honda 2000 has a 98CC engine and the 2200i has a 121cc engine in the same real estate that your 2500 has. My Honda 2200 will run a 13,500 btu a/c on my RV without a soft start, yours may or may not. All in all the Champion is a great generator for those on a budget especially with the dual fuel but not to many consumers truly know the limitations of what it can power. As long as one stays within the parameters and limitations of that 79cc displacement engine you will be happy. Everybody talks trash about Honda generators and how expensive they are just like everyone compares their trucks to Fords, if they are so bad why then compare them . Just don't bring it up and sell the generator for what it is a small inexpensive dual fuel generator.
all cheap suitcase generators are almost impossible to get serviced locally Except Honda. talk to any service center suitcase generators are throwaways plus Honda is still the quietest generator on the market, you are giving your viewers very bad advice on cheap throwaway generators,
Thanks for watching! Everyone’s use case is different. Honda is great if you need to rely on it for continuous use, constant RV’ing, live off grid etc. For the occasional power outage though or occasional camping etc, I think champion is a very good brand.
No need for service, other than oil changes. I've been using mine for 8 years as power backup. When it dies, I'll toss it like a Kia and get a new one. Hondas are the best if you can afford it.
😬hopefully with frequent oil changes and maintenance it will last a long time. I only need it sporadically. If I needed a generator every single day I would buy a Honda. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for watching. Unfortunately you are incorrect - on page 20 / 21 of the operators manual it indicates to use choke for propane as it helps purge the air out of the line.
I bought the champion 2000 gas. I soon upgraded to the 2500 dual fuel. I was so pleased, I bought 2 two more. I eventually bought the parallel kit. They are great little machines.
I also have the 5500/4000 dual fuel electric start. Yes, I have 5 champion generators.
Awesome! Thanks for watching!
Bought the 2000w champion dual fuel inverter generator two years ago, and love it. Contrary to instructions, you DO need to choke it (two pulls) when using propane. Then one pull set at propane and it starts up right away. I plan to never use gasoline, never! I use it mainly to re-charge my ANKER 767 2048w battery generator with 2048w expansion battery. Battery powers all my 120v breakers through an inlet wired to my electrical panel, using safety switch. Used the set up three times here in SWFL most recently following hurricane Milton, for three days.
That’s an awesome setup you have and one I full agree with!!! Also agree you have to use choke to purge the air from the line. Thanks for watching!
I bought one of these 2.5 years ago. I have run nothing but propane, so I don't have to drain the carb between uses. I pull it out every 6-8 weeks to run it to make sure it is ready when I need it. Mone has 4 screws holding the side panel on. A little less convenient than the thumb screws, but no tabs to fight with.
During the recent unpleasantness, I was able to power our refrigerator, freezer, a few lamps, a crock pot, and the TV/Satellite (it was a Football Saturday, after all). Unplugging the fridge and freezer let us run the microwave and the coffeemaker for a bit.
We were able to get about 36 hours from a 20# propane bottle running it continuously. Side benefit to the propane is that our local hardware store can refill the bottles (no electricity required) if you can pay cash.
I, too, added an induction hour-meter. I'm nearing the 50 hour mark, so I'll do an oil-change this weekend.
Oh, yeah. 5 pulls or less when it is cold, one if it is warmed up. If it tries to turn over, I switch back to run, and it starts on the next pull.
That’s awesome and I’m glad to hear it’s performed so well! I agree with you that it’s a great unit and running on propane rocks! Thanks for watching!
I own two Champions, this one as my backup, backup generator, and a larger electric start duel -fuel that I use as our main backup generator. We just had a power outage and the regulator broke on my larger gen, so this little 2500-watt set came to the rescue! We use only propane.
The champion 2500w is a champ for sure! I agree propane is the way to go. Thanks for watching!
I thought about buying a Honda but for the price I decided to buy two Champions and parallel them together. Two of these was still cheaper than a Honda. This way I can run one generator for the majority of uses that I need it for and only start the other one in extreme cases when I need that extra power. Best of both worlds . Also in a storm if one dies for some reason I always have a backup.
Thanks for watching and I totally agree with your logic!
I purchased a Champion large frame 87000 running watt (9500 peak) after a freak ice storm left us without power for 5 days. This has never happened before in the 55 years I have lived here. After the ice storm, I told my wife we are getting a generator. She thought I was nuts. I bought the Champion from Costco and installed a separate plug in weatherproof box. I wired the house following all the proper guidelines running conduit encased thhn. The cables run to the sump pump, furnaces, refrigerators some lighting, gas cooktop with electric ignition and several specially located outlets. All the devices are isolated from my main panel by using plug in or appropriately sized dpdt switches. Exactly one year to the day later, hurricane Sandy hit. 7 days without power. Wife happy.
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@@Outdoor_Prepperme too , I love my champion, same size as yours, runs my whole house.
same happened here in oregen out dorena lake!
same happened here in oregen out dorena lake!
Great story. If you want to have enough fuel for a week, how much would you recommend storing?
I had no issues with using trufuel. When I finish cutting my grass for a season and I store my equipment away and by the next season, I can pull the same equipment out a couple of pulls and it start right up.
That’s awesome - trufuel is good stuff! Thanks for watching!
The version with the cigarette lighter adapter is the one you want because you can plug in a higher output USB charger into it and also a cigarette lighter adapter to car battery charging cables or other 12 volt devices such as an air pump or 12 volt fridge.
Thanks for that info!!😊
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I have a Predator, Champion, Honda, and Multiquip. The MQ is an open frame, 6500 watt beast. It's loud and way too heavy for one person to move.
The other 3 generators are similar, with the Honda being the "best" as well as by far the most expensive. If I only had one generator it would be the Honda. The Champion is the 4k unit and is my newest. The Predator is several years old and shows it, but it still runs fine.
The true test of a generator for most applications is how it starts and runs after sitting for several months. I use all of my small generators around the farm, so they get used monthly, at the least. The MQ is older and for emergencies, so it rarely is used. I just fire it up every couple of weeks for 20 minutes or so.
I've begun switching my allegiance to the Solar Generators over the past 2 years. I can charge a SoGen using any of the gas generators in an emergency, and I can then run them indoors, and that's a huge advantage. A 2kw SoGen, you pick the brand, costs about what a Honda 2k costs, AND can be recharged with solar, home AC, or a gas generator.
I live in hurricane/thunderstorm territory. I can run an 8k BTU AC for 3-4 hours in a 2k SoGen. AC and freezers is my main concern for a power outage.
The SoGens are really getting down in price. Don't get me wrong, I don't ever want to be without a gas generator. I keep 20 gallons of gas onhand at all times and just cycle it through the lawn mowers. The Honda is not dual fuel but the Predator and Champion are. I keep 2 30-pound propane tanksin the barn and use them as extras for the camper. That means I always have 4 of the 30-pound tanks as well as 2 of the 20 pound tanks on hand. The 10 pound tanks are used on the deep Fryer. The beauty of propane is that it is so much easier to store, and it basically lasts forever, while gasoline goes stale after a few months.
If cost is the main issue, I'd probably go with Predator and buy the extended warranty. I'm not a big fan of Harbor Freight power tools, but Predator generators have proven themselves to be very dependable. I would avoid all the super cheap generators on Amazon. A generator is normally needed for emergency situations, so you don't need one that won't start when you need it to.
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In an emergency I want my equipment to work. I was so close to buying a Champion 2500 Dual Fuel, but have now convinced myself to buy a Honda. Yep, it’s more than the Chanoion, but I will save in my piggy bank $40/month over the next year to cover the delta.
All I can say is I have had my Honda Eu2000 for over 16 years and it runs like new. Yes, it was expensive, but I challenge any other less expensive brand to hold up like this little Honda we have. we have used in in our Boat, our RV's, tent camping and backup power when the power goes out. It has be USED a lot and still starts right up with no issues. Love these Hondas.
@@markk171 Honda definitely makes a great generator! Unfortunately it is very expensive but definitely nice. Thanks for watching!
@@Outdoor_Prepper The EU2200 is $1099 at Home Depot. Spend it now and have it for along time. I have yet to find any other generator that will last this long with no issues...but hey maybe I was lucky. I know so many friends that bought the Champions, Yamahas, Generac and none of them lasted more than a couple years. So they had to buy another "cheaper" generator and end up spending more than me. But hey, to each their own.
@@markk171 have you ever owned one of the other ones?
@@dubmob151 No, my neighbors have owned them. They work great while they last. However, they have gone thru 3 of them while my little honda just keeps on going.
@@markk171 a contributing factor could be that you just take better care of your equipment. Do you run it regularly or drain out the carb for long term storage? Good maintenance schedule?
I just ran a full case (4 gallons) of Trufuel that I purchased when Covid first hit. 4.5 years old and no problems at all. The "gallons" are actually 110 ounces, so slightly less than a gallon (128 ounces). FYI, I also had 5 gallons of normal unleaded treated with Sta-Bil that was the same age. It also had no problems. I tested the fuels first in my Honda engined lawn mower that is quite sensitive to bad fuel (mainly because a new carburetor is $20 on Amazon and very easy to replace). Ran fine, put the fuels in my Subaru and the car burned them with zero issues.
@@john_in_phoenix TruFuel is great because it doesn’t gum up the carburetor! Thanks for watching!
I've had this generator (same thing, but all black) for a couple years now. I've experienced all the same things you have, including installing the same kind of hour meter. You hit both all the bumps and great things about it. I have experienced the difficult propane starting. I may be wrong, but without currently having the user manual in front of me, I think the manual I have may not have mentioned moving the control from choke to propane after the initial pulls. On the other hand, I have noticed that I can easily start it on gasoline, then plug in the propane hose and it will switch to propane and run on that. Then change the control to propane. Another thing I've noticed is after running on gasoline, the spark plug will get the black, oily contamination that a gasoline engine usually does, but after running on propane for a little while the plug will clean right up. Run on propane, you'll never want to change the plug. Regarding running my camper 13,500 BTU air conditioner, my generator will do it on propane, but I have to take it off of Eco mode to be able to start it. A good review of a great generator, in my opinion.
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are you using a soft start on the rv ac or will this just start it on its own?
@@synapticburn I have not put a soft start on the A/C unit.
@@v8s4ever36 get a iridium spark plug for better performance
I had mine run couple months this summer its my favorite and easy to maintenance over time it does get gunked up and ended up losing all power.Took all apart cleaned it up well and found muffler was plugged up bad and once cleaned got full power back.Very pleased after being very bummed.so be careful before ya give up on this guy hes a winner
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I have two of these and they easily start on propane. Choke every time, pull till it coughs, then switch to propane and start it. I also noticed and agree that the eco low idle is much higher and louder than when on gasoline. That's really unfortunate but they're still quiet.
That’s for watching! I agree starting on propane is not difficult at all. So far, I think the dual fuel is a great unit and very versatile.
I never have ran mine on gasoline. But it's a great unit for what I paid and have gotten a good amount of use out of it.
I have two of these, I also had an older version that was square. I actually prefer that older style because they stack on top of each other. The biggest gripe I have with Champion is they changed the parallel connectors to square plugs so you have to buy their parallel kit. I understand why they did it but I hate when manufacturers do that crap instead of having a universal design. Before anyone says it's not a big deal, it is for me because the older parallel kit I have has the round plugs that all the other manufacturers use. So I had to spend another $80 for their parallel kit.
I agree with you - I don’t like proprietary designs and think they should all be compatible
Cover panel:Initially ridgid it will soften up.When removing simply put a sight bend in the middle of the door.When installing insert bottom tabs first and there is some side to side play to install it.
You may break a little tab until you get the hang of it.
Spark plug door push down on as you pull out,it’ll slide right out.
Spark plug bolt-definitely use a pair of hose pliers for simple removal.
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Thanks for watching and thanks for the tips!
I have three generators. A Honda 2000, a Generac 3275 and a champion 2500 gas model. I was running a Makita 14 amp jackhammer and the only one that ran my jackhammer was the champion. The Honda overheated and the Generac kept popping the breaker. The cheapest generator ran the jackhammer all day.
The champion is a solid generator! Thanks for watching!
5 hour break in, is that average for all new 2000w generators?
All generators are slightly different but I firmly believe that you should do a 5 hour run with varying loads and then change the oil. It will absolutely help it to last longer.
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@@Outdoor_Prepper should I get this to charge up stuff on the road the solar can't do some days ?
The zero governor regulator (big pancake regulator after the combined regulator) requires a vacuum to open or press the override button if equipped. The override will allow you to purge the line of air. I could see something that looked like an override button, but not enough to be sure one is installed.
Good point! Thanks for watching!
I have a similar generator (model 200961, 2500W dual fuel) and it got me through Milton. It doesn't have the CO monitor, but I never run it inside. I also got a Champion 200914 4250W, and during a 3 day power outage, the 2500W was much better for me than the 4250W model. The 4250W was overkill. All I ran was my fridge and a small room A/C. It was really quiet, and very economical on both types if fuel. Going back, I would have only gotten the 2500W.
As far as starting, they both started extremely easily.
I think there might be a market for a 2500W with electric start. I live around many retirees, and they don't need a big generator and can't pull a pull cord.
Anyway, Champion for the win!
Great points and I agree with you- the 2500 really is all most people need! Thanks for watching!
Excellent review!! Thank you for this!!
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good review - i just got mine an hour ago and you are spot on. Good product except the side panel and spark plug access (Minor issues)
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You can actually wrap the engine timer wire around the spark plug wire lower down where it is easier to work. Works great, have done this with every Champion inverter (2KW gas square, 3.4KW dual fuel, 2.5KW dual fuel and 4KW dual fuel). Works on all of those units. Also, if the inverter starts to run (roughly) while doing the propane choke procedure, flip the fuel switch to propane and the unit will keep running. I've found the inverter runs for 4 or 5 seconds in the choke mode before shutting down, so if you make the change to the propane while it's running on choke, you don't need to keep pulling.
The people who run into problems when in the propane mode probably haven't bothered to read the directions. Also the power output on propane is about 8 to 10% lower than on gasoline. FYI, I never use gasoline in my dual fuel inverters. I don't have to worry about issues with gummed up carbs and stale gasoline.
Those are some great points! Thanks for watching!
The bummer about Champion 2000s is that they do not have a fuel filter; instead, they have a filter in the gas intake. I have had three, and the tiny jets in the carburetor get clogged. If not cleaned regularly, the generator will 'surge' and run rough. When it runs well, it's a great generator, but add an inline fuel filter if you have the skills.
Thanks for watching! My goal is to try to only run the champion on propane to prevent any fuel related issues
I wish you could have a sine wave of the electricity that comes out. I want one of these Inverter generator after my old generator would not run my furnace because of a dirty sine wave.
I don’t have a sine wave meter but have seen another TH-camr out this in a meter and it’s a perfect very clean sine wave. Thanks for watching!
I will pull the trigger on this generator even though I own the Champion 3400W and a Yamaha 3000-watt. Both are excellent machines, but I would like something lighter and smaller to throw in the pickup for camping. I run my RV on the Yamaha, and it does fantastic, but it, too, is way overpriced. Living in a hurricane country, having generators is a must. I like the idea of the duel fuel due to the availability of propane during hurricanes. Gasoline will be completely sold out 2 days before the storm hits. Propane, however, will usually be available. Great review. I liked and subbed.
So far I’m very happy with the generator! Thanks for watching!
Thanks, this is a great review. These small generators have really gotten very good over the last few years. They are reliable and provide a moderate amount of power, and if you need more power, you can link 2 together.
But individually they are easy to move around since they are compact and under 50 pounds. Of course a high-output generator seems ideal, but they are bigger, heavier, and more expensive, and you need a lot more fuel to run them.
In an emergency, you can often run essential home needs on 2000 or 4000 watts, and you won't need 15 or 20 gallons per day of fuel like you would if had a large generator. That's a lot of gasoline or propane, and realistically, most people don't have that amount of fuel on hand for multiple days. If an emergency hits, gas stations may not be available or may run out, so it's smart to be efficient.
If you have a well pump, or something else that requires 240 volt power, then you probably have to get a larger generator, and will need the corresponding quantities of fuel for it.
Those are all great points and I totally agree with you! A small portable generator really is a lifesaver. It’s fuel efficient, portable, and can power a fridge, lights, phone chargers and some basic stuff. In a true emergency you want to conserve fuel and run as efficiently as possible and only emergency loads.
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Does it idle down. That is a must for me
Thanks for watching! It idles down when in eco mode
I have a champion 4500 dual fuel I really do like that generator it's very quiet you do not have to choke it to start it on propane the chokes for the carburetor only but I would go somewhere else and get my propane if I was you Blue rhino is too expensive check out places in your area that refills propane tanks and get a lot cheaper and a lot Fuller tractor supply has it for $3.49 im paying $3.35
I’m glad you are happy with your generator! That’s a good tip about refilling your propane tanks at a different place for a better deal. I agree blue rhino is a ripoff it’s better to get the tank refilled
Mine started on first pull on gas and propane. Read the manufacturer manual first if you get one.
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It’s a good unit, I have one. Also, some of the units that have problems starting on propane, all you have to do move the fuel selector switch one way or the other to get propane flow. If you put the switch exactly on propane it will not start.
Chock it every time you start on propane folks 😊😊😊
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@@philliphall5198I saw a video where the man said not to use the chock
Firman is a great unit well built and manufactures all their products
I have a firman generator as well. Thanks for watching!
Ive used trufuel with some other yard tools but not my generator. Never had any issues. I get non ethanol fuel near me for my generator.
I wish I had non ethanol fuel near me. Unfortunately trufuel is the closet thing to that in my area.
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Have you done load run test to see what kind of run hours you get on propane vs gasoline in this machine ?
I haven’t yet but definitely will! I did a gasoline and propane run test on the predator 5000 - check them out on my channel.
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Just to follow up I have done a gasoline load test - video posted on my channel
@ awesome going to check it out now
I ordered today with a special offer, for 300 euro 328usd, for this price it's a perfect spare generator
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Looking to buy a generator this helped a lot, tks !
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I have two Champion dual-fuel generators, a 3400 and 2000. I use propane because it’s a lot cleaner and safer to run and store. Beats having one gas Honda any day.
Totally agree! Thanks for watching!
What are your thoughts on Westinghouse generators? I've been looking at the 5000 watt dual fuel inverter generator.
I’m actually a very big fan of Westinghouse! I used to own a Westinghouse 7000/9000 watt generator. It was a bit on the louder side since it was not an inverter but it was a solid unit that worked well and I never had a problem with it.
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I've had no issues but the spark plug access cover. Always run on propane using synthetic oil. Rins about half throttle on echo and will charge 600 AH battery bank thru a 45 amp Iota DLS charger in about an hour an a half.
I agree I try to always run on propane. So far it’s been flawless and I really like the generator!
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No way in hell a 45 amp charger is charging a 600AH bank in 1.5 hours. There is math and science to this, and your math is not mathing at all. 12.8 x 600Ah = 7,680 watt hours. 45A x 14.6V = 657 W. 7680/657 = 11.6 hours.
Science says your 600Ah bank will take 11 hours to charge with a 45A charger. You're claiming you can do it in 1.5 hours. LOL. Cool story bro, but needs more dragons.
You must be thinking I drain my batteries down to flat...no sir. I'm sayn on a cloudy day with not much solar I can top my battery bank in 1.5 hours
Thank you for the information, video and effort you put into your channel !! Would you have any information or recommendations for an exhaust extension? I'd very much like to be able to use my generator from within inside my garage during rainy as well as very cold and snowy conditions. Emergency situations seldom arise when the sun is out ... being able to safely use the generator inside the garage and the exhaust being routed 10-12 feet to the outside would be awesome!!
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I've got a little IGAN generator tent that works well with 2500 dual-fuel in rain and snow. Keeping the generator 25ft away from dwelling is good. important important
New 4000 watt duel fuel portable inverter generator is THE BEST of all worlds.
Picking up two with a parallel wire kit asap!
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Except the 4000w is heavier and louder, so it's a trade off for the extra wattage.
That is a great size, and only a bit louder. I want one but they're sold out.
Best review I’ve seen
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So, I wanted to watch you fill the oil. How much of the oil bottle did the generator use?
You have to fill until it reaches the threads on dipstick hole. Approximately little more than 1/2 a quart
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Before you fired up and read the instructions.
Replace, and or modify with magnet the oil filled drain plug. During the initial breaking it will solve many problems and add hours to the life.
Me and mister Tesla like the hour or a minute give it 5 stars and thumbs up.
Upgrade the spark plug right off the bat as suggested by many in this thread.
Add backup air filters. Replacements. Is summer wash your bone and recycle a bulk and others are not.
With respect to the easy access on the port side of this unit.
OK break out your arrange to take out the 4 corners and you have greater access to the spark plug in everything out there I'm only sure you try.
@@russfender2328 thanks for watching!
Hello, I agree with the comment. Using a magnetic oil dipstick or drain plug, and changing the oil out during break in will probably add lots of life to the generator.
These small generators use less than a quart of oil, so there is no reason not to spend a few dollars and do a break in and change the oil a few times. It's literally less than $5 or $10 to do this.
The Champion 2500 has a few minor flaws. One the propane regulator will lock up if the pressure is turned on too fast with an very full propane tank. Also this model only has USB plugs instead of a 12 volt barrel plug which I would use for a lot of car accessories. The spark plug installed is not gapped to the specs in the manual, It was hardly gapped at all. I had no issues screwing the meter into the device and sliding the cord into the sliding door. I will most likely never use gas in it. 20 lbs. Propane tanks will run a long time.
Good points and I haven’t tested the runtime yet but I understand it gets about 34 hours on propane which is amazing!
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How long do you think it would take this unit to recharge a Bluetti AC180? Thanks!
@@stevenj7045 that’s actually a great question and I own the AC180! I will do a test of that a post a video but my guess would be approx 1.5 hours. Thanks for watching
@@Outdoor_Prepper Thank you so much! I really appreciate your channel!
No need to choke when starting on propane .
Propane inlet on the carburetor bypass that choke feature .
The manual states to place in choke , pull cord 3-5 times as it purges air from the propane line then switch to propane and start.
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It seems will be easier to run syngas too on this gen.
So far this has been a great generator and I’m really happy with the runtime on both propane and gas!
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Dont use choke on propan starting, doesnt need at all.
The manual states on page 10 to use choke to purge air from the line.
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Good video, I wish you would NOT have used true fuel and made the first start with propane. My goal would be to never put gas in mine, if I get one.
It is better to break them in first on gas or True Fuel. NEVER start out with Propane!!
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I agree I ordered today and will mainly run on propane.
@@peterevenhuis2663 I ended up getting one. Hooked it to propane, opened valve slowly, primed/choked for 4 pulls, then switched to propane and it started right up!!!
@@dsmith2858 I received a special discount, they are emptying local warehouse in Greece, for 320 euro delivery at home. Perfect for dual fuel
I don't think anything beats a Honda, but most of us don't really need a Honda. Honda's are made to run food trucks 24/7 for years, most of us just need it for a few days every few years.
Excellent point! The champion will serve most people very well. Thanks for watching!
if the thing runs more then a few seconds before co sensor keeps shutting it down
So far I’ve had good luck with it. Thanks for watching!
And I know you said something about the true fuel as a small engine mechanic myself I can tell you you really don’t need Just get yourself some 89 from a reputable pump And just throw in some stable Marien 360 I have had gas last almost 2 years in the tank of my generac 6500 and still start first pull And if it doesn’t have a fule shut off make sure to install one because a lot of people don’t know you can leave fuel in the tank as long there’s no fule in the carb it can sit a lot longer
That’s good to know! Thanks for watching!
i had no idea it could run on propane!!
@@SisyphusQuit it’s a great generator but you have to get the dual fuel unit. It’s comes in only gasoline or dual fuel.
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Wondering if it will run on Natural Gas?
@@gphilipc2031 I think you can get aftermarket kits and it should be able to with them. Thanks for watching!
I bought 4 of them. I followed all the instructions. Added oil and gasoline. It doesn’t start on gas. It turns over but doesn’t run.
Make sure the vent cap is open on the fuel fill cap. Thanks for watching
@@Outdoor_Prepper thank you for the response. Does that mean just making sure the toggle is on on.
@@BennyGuzman-ve5lh I think he is referring to the little red lever on the gas cap.
@@WayneTheSeine I figured it out. I had the hose to the propane hook up attached to the generator. Once I unplugged that the gas started right and kept running.
Tempting, but who's gonna repair it if it fails? One big reason we paid full tilt at our Honda dealer. The Harbor Freight Predator was tempting too, but we never found anyone that would service it either.
That’s a fair question. In my experience generally speaking all these generators are pretty reliable regardless of brand as long as you do proper maintenance. Clean the air filter, change spark plug, use fuel stabilizer and don’t let the fuel go bad and gunk up the carb, and you really should have no problems at all. But I do agree anything that’s not a Honda will be more difficult to bring to a repair shop. Most of these other brands though including champion will send you replacement parts if you need them and it really is not too difficult to work on it yourself. Thanks for watching!
While Champion is no Honda, I called them last Friday for a part and it just arrived today, Monday, over the weekend! Generally, I'm not a fan of Chinese gens other than Champion.
“ BEST “ in my books is the one most reliable, given that it’s maintained properly, it should work when it is needed the most for its intended purpose regardless of weather conditions etc .
Looks, noise levels and gimmick are all secondary,
I am not loyal to any one brand.
@@vrod1a well said! Maintenance is key and with regular maintenance a generator will last a long time! The champion happens to be dual fuel which is a huge plus over the Honda which is only gasoline.
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Propane has about 25% less energy density than gasoline. It would be interesting to see how much less of a load the Champion would handle while running on propane.
That’s a good point and I’ll try to test it in the future. Thanks for watching!
I have this one and it runs everything in my house while on propane with the exception of the microwave oven. We max it out for sure, but it's only a backup to our main generator.
1800 run watts gas. 1650 watts propane..= -8%
I like the title for this video, especially the part about "crushing Honda". I'm sure the Chinese preschoolers who assembled this thing appreciate the enthusiastic reception of their efforts here in the U.S. I'll stick with my Hondas.
Haha! For the price power ratio and being dual fuel it really does crush the Honda. Agreed that ultimately Honda is more reliable but if you’re only occasionally needing a portable generator and not using it 24/7, the champion is a great economical option!
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I've had both. It really depends on your needs. If you're running a food cart several hours a day everyday, then yeah, go Honda. If you need backup power 2 or 3 times a year, Champion is perfectly sufficient. I will say that Hondas hold their value--sold mine for almost what I paid new. Chinese gens are basically disposable--I give them to a neighbor when I want a newer model.
@@westhavenor9513 That is exactly why I bought an A-ipower SUA2300i; to use as a loaner when family wants to use one. Nobody's borrowing my Honda's.
Why do you have some many inverters?
I used to have several non inverter generators but through the years I grew tired of the noise and bad fuel efficiency as well as the dirty power. With the inverters, they are much quieter, use less fuel, and produce very clean power. There is definitely still a use case for a large non inverter generator and especially is you need 240v though.
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What is a buhen? I thought they used buttons?
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Do you think this would run a 12,000 btu window ac, home refrigerator, a couple lights and fans during/after hurricane?
Probably.
I would get a bigger unit. The running watts on that ac is probably anywhere between 900 to 1200 alone. If that fridge and ac compressors are running at the same time you could have issues. I have this particular unit I use for hurricanes down in Florida. I use it to charge my solar power stations when there is no sun. It's a really good generator. I would in your scenario run that ac when I could make sure it didn't trip the generator. These generators and solar power stations I would never run them endlessly at full capacity. It's like driving your car as fast as it will go all the time. Your car won't last neither will these generators.
It would be lucky to run the air conditioner by its self. It might run the refrigerator by its self. Something I've learned about inverter generators if the Red Overload light comes on You Better Back Off Power Immediately! Or you will easily burn out the inverter board. They inverter boards are very weak in these cheap Chinese inverter generators!!!!
@@tomtee4442 I whole heartily agree. The most I will run on this generator is 2 600 watt power bricks to charge my solar generators. I learned that lesson exactly the way you stated. Champion sent me a new control board free of charge but do not run these generators full board. No one with a brain cell drives their car like that don't use a generator or power station like that.
Thanks for watching - I think I can do it - the window ac and fridge will have a higher starting wattage so as long as they don’t both kick in at the same time it should be able to handle it
Here in the U.K. the Honda is £1200 minimum, approx £=$1.25 making it very expensive the Champion dual fuel is £579 less than half ! The gas only model is £429 !
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If you want to put a generator to the test live off grid! I, a friend of mine and a neighbor that all live off grid have killed Honda’s in the past. Don’t get me wrong., When a Honda works they are fine. It’s when they stop working and you need to get them repaired. All 3 Honda EU2000’s I owned died before 2000 hours and were not worth repairing.
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Why do you say you think this might be the "ultimate suitcase style generator" before you've even got it out of the box?? Thanks..
@@ursamajor6546 the specs and runtime on the box plus the price make it great! My testing confirms what I believed prior to opening the box. Thanks for watching!
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OK, fair enough. Just wondered! Thanks 👍
You must have just missed the new models have an hour meter on them. At least the Model #201323 does.
I think I did although I think the older model ( the one I have) gets slightly longer runtime on propane from what the specs say. Thanks for watching!
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Crazy but morel with gauges weighs more and has poorer propane economy and higher db noise measures Per specs.
My iPhone has lasted well and still looks like new at almost 3 years. My androids were always pretty beat after about 18 months. But, the androids were not better built. I have taken much better care of my iPhone because my android phones were all about $200 and my iPhone was about $1100.
Perhaps some of the Honda people take better care of theirs because they cost so much.
That’s a good comparison and could be the case. Maintenance is key for any generator and will definitely help them last a long time.
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I bought one last year. Had difficulty getting it to start (propane only never put gasoline in it).
Champion replaced it and I had the same problem a month later.
I returned it.
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Try opening the propane valve S - L - O - W - L - Y! There is a video somewhere that describes a check valve in the propane hose that shuts if you open the propane valve too quickly. One of the Champion employees has been trying to get the company to include that information in the owner's manual.
@@dzcav3is the check valve in the propane regulator assembly or in the generator? It sounds like those washing machine hoses that protect against catastrophic breakage flooding the house if it detects a surge flow beyond normal requirements.
I want the biggest engine for the wattage class
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They now sell a 4000 watt version. Better for RVs.
Thanks for watching! I saw that and am actually very interested in reviewing one
@@Outdoor_Prepper I bought a Wen 3600 dual fuel. Used it during a recent power outage in Omaha and it will run our 15k but RV A/C. A good balance of power and weight.
I would definitely say it’s not gonna last as long And not as reliable without Maintenance just off of the price and the ability for it to be able to take propane and gas I would say it’s better than the Honda because in real life situation that is definitely awesome to be able to use propane in an emergency when you run out of gas or your gas goes bad
Thank you! I agree maintenance is absolutely key and while a Honda would certainly last longer if you didn’t do maintenance I think the champion is a great unit and the ability to run natural gas is a huge benefit over the Honda! For the price you just can’t beat it - but make sure to change the oil frequently, change the spark plug as needed, and lightly oil the air filter.
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I bought a Winco Lil Dog generator. It is 2400 watts, surge 3000. Its not an inverter generator. Its single phase. It was $768. It has a Honda GC 160 engine. I couldn't use an inverter generator to run my inverter welder. The welder takes 2400 watts. It starts first pull every time.
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I had one 2500watts ...1.0 the pull cord broke after 6 months ...2.0 .when run out gas it was hard to get to start again...3.0.sometimes the pull cord will get lock up like the piston locked up...not a long term generator hondas are by far the best ...Under propane the generator efficiency is lower than gas propane is only 75% compared to a gallon of gas... propane is very expensive ...tip: put a NGK iridium spark plug generator will run much better start faster...
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Propane operation is the way to go if you have just a short term need for the generator; if it turns into an extended use need, then switch over to gas. After you're done, switch back to propane operation to purge all the ethanol laced gas from the fuel system to keep it from gumming up the works. For long term storage, try to clear out all traces of gasoline from the generator, from tank to carburetor.
Note : You should never run a generator without at least 1/3 load on it .
Thanks for Watching! For small gasoline and propane units it does not hurt the generator to run without a load. That becomes more of an issue for diesel generators.
It’s hell to get parts for a the labor makes it not worth fixing 😢😢😢
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trim off the side tabs on the door if you think they aren't needed.
Thanks for Watching! I might have to do that - otherwise it’s a great generator
@Outdoor_Prepper maybe it helps with sound baffling or something. Not sure. Seems overly complicated though.
@@Outdoor_Prepper If you trim off the taps you will likely start getting an irritating rattle. That is the purpose of all the tabs.
When Your Running On Propane , Open The Valve Slowly , You'll Thank Me ?
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That’s exactly what I was thinking 👍🏻
The Honda Tri Fuel Generator is built to last a lifetime! A one time purchase. And Hondas hold their value!
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That they do. Sold my Honda for almost what I paid.
No actual testing of generator. Why run it for 5 hours off load just to change the oil ?
Thanks for watching! It was actually tested for the full 5 hours with various loads from a space heater from 500w to max 1600w.
@@Outdoor_Prepper Ok. I just thought you Americans were so rich you could afford to do that ! 🥳
@@toad008 We are rich because we don't buy Hondas!!! LOL
The owner's manual tells you to run the engine for 5 hours to break it in, and then change the oil.
The manufacturer requires an oil change after the 5 hour break-in period. If you are camping for the first time, who wants to stop and do an oil change in the woods?
I tried to go the cheap way out. I bought 2 New cheap Chinese inverter generators. I won't mention the generators names for liability. The one New generator stopped making power. The other New generator the engine locked up. The generators would cost more to fix than they were worth. They are truly disposable units! I hate to say I lost some money by buying disposable generators. I went and bought Hondas and installed tri fuel kits and only run propane. Honda has more start up and running anps than anything in its class! This is why generators are compared to Hobda the Red One! The Champion 2500 watt 79cc engine versus the Honda 2200 watt 121cc engine. Champion doesnt even come close! My Honda 2200 starts my 4 horsepower Craftsman filull size wet and dry shop vac, 200 amp DC Battery Charger, small Craftsman air compressor, every wood working and hand tool I own. My New Chinese generators before they stopped making power wouldn't run all these appliances. Honda 2200 is the Only generator that will run the 13,500 BTU RV Roof Top Air Conditioner On Propane. Honda has a generator that has 39,000 hours on it! That time added up is like running the Honda for over 2 years continuously! Nothing else will even come close! It's that old saying you get what you pay for!
Most generators come with a few years of warranty and most have companies like northern tool that will repair them your story sounds about fake
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I’ve had a big 9,000 watt champion since hurricane Isabel. It ran 11 days back then and we used it many times since then. Back then, there was no dual fuel on these, and despite using 10% ethanol gasoline, I turn off the gas when shutting down to run it dry, and since then, it has never failed to start. I wish I had bought an inverter generator 2500-3000 watts, back when they had a lifetime warranty from memory.
Ridiculously expensive for that fuel. I wish more stations would carry the ethanol free gas. I run mine dry and have never had it fail to start.
I call bs on your story. Sounds like you own a Honda and want to justify the 1k tag. I’m not saying it’s not the best, but I do agree you can get the same power for 1/3 the cost, guaranteed 😊
Ethyl free, I buy it at gas stations. Boats and aircraft must run on ethyl free. Look there.
I wish I could get ethanol free but in the northeast it’s only the blended 10% ethanol and it causes so many problems.
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You don't need joke for propane.
A propane joke? That's gas, bro!
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Is that Spanish for choke?
I just stick with Honda only because I have had issues with champion they will warranty some of the stuff. But when you need it you need it. Don’t want to go broke when you need it.
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NEVER RUN A GENERATOR WITHOUT A LOAD.
Please explain why
Put a straw in your mouth. Hold your finger over the open end so no air can escape. Blow as hard as you can, for as long as you can. In a short period of time you will learn that the air has no where to go. You will become overworked and drained. Such is the same principle for a generator. It’s pushing and pushing power, but it has no where to go, resulting in premature failure. Hope this explains it SIMPLE terms.
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not true
Generators are not operating like air compressors, they have closed loop controls that throttle up and down on load requirements.
The propane option is so lame. Now you have to drag around giant bottles of propane? LOL.
Propane actually burns very clean, doesn’t gum up the carb, and can run 34 hours on a tank! It’s also gasoline so you can run either - it gives you more options during a power outage.
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Not really. I keep my gen in a shed with two 30lb tanks. I can run my house on that for a few days, and have, while my neighbors were trying to figure out how to get to the gas station (we were snowed-in and the stations were shut down anyway because no power). If the propane runs out (which it never has) I can pump gas from one of our cars. Also, propane doesn't spoil in 6 months like gas.
The choke does nothing when on propane, the propane bypasses the carb completely.
Thanks for watching! The Manual actually indicated on page 9 to use the choke as at purges air from the line.
Pulls a vacuum and opens diaphragm to supply propane to engine 😊
That's you help me
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Way too loud. I rather spend the extra $200-$300 and get the quiet one. Honda is BEST
I got rid of mine because it was too loud. Honda all the way.
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Honda = $1100. Champion = $494. Actual prices as of this morning. I think your calculations are off by a factor of two.
you never choke propane go right to propane
Thanks for watching! The manual indicates to choke on propane for this generator
I own both my 2200 companion runs my trailer ac the champion will not
@@scottreynolds3148 Honda is definitely a great unit for sure! Thanks for watching!
There is a reason that Honda generators cost more than your dual fuel generator. I hate to say this but the truth is that your Champion 2500 dual fuel generator will experience more of a voltage drop then the smaller Honda EU 2000. Reason being is that the Champion has a tiny 79cc engine where the Honda 2000 has a 98CC engine and the 2200i has a 121cc engine in the same real estate that your 2500 has. My Honda 2200 will run a 13,500 btu a/c on my RV without a soft start, yours may or may not. All in all the Champion is a great generator for those on a budget especially with the dual fuel but not to many consumers truly know the limitations of what it can power. As long as one stays within the parameters and limitations of that 79cc displacement engine you will be happy. Everybody talks trash about Honda generators and how expensive they are just like everyone compares their trucks to Fords, if they are so bad why then compare them . Just don't bring it up and sell the generator for what it is a small inexpensive dual fuel generator.
Thanks for watching! For the price i paid and the expected usage scenarios I anticipate this will provide many years of reliable service
all cheap suitcase generators are almost impossible to get serviced locally Except Honda. talk to any service center suitcase generators are throwaways plus Honda is still the quietest generator on the market, you are giving your viewers very bad advice on cheap throwaway generators,
Thanks for watching! Everyone’s use case is different. Honda is great if you need to rely on it for continuous use, constant RV’ing, live off grid etc. For the occasional power outage though or occasional camping etc, I think champion is a very good brand.
No need for service, other than oil changes. I've been using mine for 8 years as power backup. When it dies, I'll toss it like a Kia and get a new one. Hondas are the best if you can afford it.
Wait a couple years, it has the lifespan of a mosquito
😬hopefully with frequent oil changes and maintenance it will last a long time. I only need it sporadically. If I needed a generator every single day I would buy a Honda.
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No, where in the manual does it say you put it on choke to start with propane. You don’t use choke to start any propane generator.
Thanks for watching. Unfortunately you are incorrect - on page 20 / 21 of the operators manual it indicates to use choke for propane as it helps purge the air out of the line.
Yes you must use chock for vacuum to open diaphragm 😊😊😊
Fact
Just read the owners manual, and they absolutely say to use the choke with propane