11k years to leave the Milky Way and reach Andromeda in 30k years? I think there's a math problem there. The Milk Way is 100k light years across and Andromeda is 2.5 million light years away.
You are absolutely right! I checked my numbers, I forgot to covert the 11k to years, it's 11k days to get out of the galaxy (we're 26k ly from the edge) and so about 320 years! I'll try to not get too excited by nerd math in the future that I forget to double check!
“'Space,' it says, 'is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mindbogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space. Listen...'"
@@markoconnell804 You’re kind of right. Gods were invented by primitive people to explain everything they didn’t understand. Not sure if they knew space was a thing though as the closest the bible gets is “the heavens”. Planets are still sometimes termed “heavenly bodies” though. 👍🏼
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I did some checking. In "By Any Other Name", it is said that the Enterprise would take thousands of years to get to Andromeda, but the Kelvans could modify it so that it could get there in only 300 years.
Put hologram beings in a ship that has no unecessary features and send it. The beings will activate only when they get there. Maybe in 40k years an answer will return.
We did this at Uni in 1975. I dont remember the method, but I do remember the answer. So we start off and we accelerate at 1g == 9.8 ms/s/ . We accelerate to half way, at which point we are "almost" at the speed of light. We then turn around and decelerate at 1g for the second half of the journey. Because we reach so close to the speed of light, time dilation becomes very significant. So how long this takes depends on the OBSERVE. From the point of view of someone in our Galaxy, the journey will take about 2.3 million years. But for "us", on the mythical spaceship, only about 27 years will have elapsed.
Can’t be correct. If you’re accelerating at 1g halfway to Andromeda, you’d be dozens of times the speed of light by the time you’re halfway there. If the theory is correct, mass cannot travel faster than light. So you’d reach just below light speed after about one half year of 1g acceleration. So you’d settle in at that speed (not burning fuel of course) for whatever span of decades/centuries it takes, then when you’re perhaps a year out from your target star you’d begin the deceleration process.
@@christianlibertarian5488 if you cannot go faster than light, there is zero value in accelerating once you’ve gotten to light speed. It would require infinite power, which would require infinite mass… which would be impossible to accelerate at all.
@@doghousedon1 not in TOS or ENT when you went past warp 10 you around a grai vty well you wetbnt back in time. 3 episodes use this in TOS and one more used the guardian
@0011peace warp 10 (speed of light times I finity) is where things really go haywire. There are two warp 10 space crafts that get into a race. Both engage warp 10 at the same time. Starship A engages it for a minute. Spaceship B engages it for an hour. Which starship went the furthest and why? Where did they go? How are they going to find their way back?
@@doghousedon1 they go backa and fourh th about 10 being max and just max they can reach. About of the episodes says you can go hi giher in grsavity well others say its infinite
It's explained in the movie quite clearly: it's "ludicrous" speed. Maybe you should pick up a copy of "Spaceballs the Technical Manual" in the merchandise shop if you want to know more details.
Star Trek ships travel at the speed of plot. JJ’s Enterprise zipped from Earth to Vulcan in seconds. Discovery went outside the galaxy past the Great Barrier so easily it was like the crew going to McDonald’s for takeout.
And Spock watched Vulcan's destruction from another planet in real time. Which also happened in The Force Awakens, indicating pretty damn clearly that JJ Abrams has absolutely no idea how space works.
Warp 5 in TOS and ENT is 125xC. Warp 4.5 is about 91xC the TNG equivalent is warp 3.87. The episodes are notorious for braking continuitie, like the first episode where they appear to travel to the klingon home world in a shot time span when it would have took about 18 months at warp 4.5.
comments like yours make me so happy I'm not a geek who cant realize its a tv show take it for what she said it is and enjoy it!! its fun only if you dont try to correct it ???
@@johnnycash578 making alot of assumptions there, yeah am a geek, and I absolutely realise its a tv show, I enjoy it more than most for what it is, and in no way should the the fake tech get in the way of telling a good story. Me and my buddys have fun working this stuff out whats wrong with that, and am not correcting anyone. Everything she said in the video is correct and it nice to find videos with fellow geeks who look in to it as much as I do. So what's with all the negativity?
I remember in one of the episodes they wound up in another galaxy but couldn't stay very long. Since it was the first time in the Star Trek universe they had gone to another galaxy, and as Sagan would say there are "billions upon billions" galaxies, suddenly the Star Trek universe felt very small.
They when out side the Gaklaxy in TOS but not to and omaeda. In TNG they the first traveler episode went to another Galaxy and beyond both space and time into thought space. DS9 and Voyager went far parts of the Milky Way and ell of them went through time and the movies went to the center ter of GAlaxy and through time. But , when you go through time it has to be someplaces familiar ike earth or elese time has no reference.
In TNG “Where No Man Has Gone Before” they wound up in the Triangulum Galaxy, which is the third largest galaxy in the Local Group, our local cluster of galaxies. Andromeda is the largest, with Milky Way being second. The rest of the galaxies in the Local Group are smaller irregular galaxies, rather similar to the Large Magellanic Cloud and the Small Magellanic Cloud. Triangulum is in the same general area of the sky as Andromeda, but is further away, about 2.7 million light years distant. It’s likely visible with a small telescope and really dark skies. Apparently those with really good vision and optimal conditions can see it with the naked eye, which would make it the most distant object visible to the naked eye.
@@0011peace in VOY when Tom Paris took the shuttle past warp 10, they didn't describe where he went at all, but he did describe it as being everywhere at once, which is I believe a callback to the Spock in TOS.
I like it when people can put things into a perspective that is easy to understand. And the jist of this explains just how big the universe is. And this wasn't the entire universe, only a small portion of it.
@@j.rileyindependentproductions Everyone seems to think ENT used the TOS warp scale because it was chronologically before it, but if I recall correctly, all the numbers actually matched the TNG warp scale.
@@LordSluggo Actually, the numbers as stated in the pilot ("4.5 next Thursday," with the reply "Neptune and back in six minutes") match perfectly with the TOS scale.
In fact, the Alcubierre warp system would do exactly that... In a space warp, you are standing still but your bubble of encapsulated space-time is moving (and dragging you along with it). The trick, of course, is the amount of energy required.
Only outside Galaxies. Within Galaxies things move at the rotational speed of the Galaxy. What you are referring to is the relative speed of the Galaxy relative to a stationary point in the Universe. Although modern physics does suggest that the Universe is expanding at faster than the speed of light.
On ST:Voyager, they are stranded something like 60,000 light-years away. They say that would take 70 at maximum warp, or something like that. Math works here: warp 9.5 cubed would be 857c although I think Janeway says max warp is 9.95 which works out to over 60 years. Of course, you can't sustain max warp 24/7 and you're going to make pit stops, run into trouble and other things so 60 years is ideal conditions. You really need to double that. In reality, the crew would expect to die before reaching Earth, even a young 20 year old and even if their life expectancy would be 120. Even Tuvok should not expect to see Vulcan in his life, or at least as a very old man, as he's about 50-60 and even if he could live to 200, that's a long 120 years on the ship with maybe 20-30 years left, if that, to enjoy on Vulcan.
Now this is what am talking about the deep thought stuff. Iv pondered over this for years and I recon that the ship would never make it. These things would need extremely specialised mantinence. There is no way it's running for decades like you pointed out without something braking that they just couldn't repair. Sods law says that something would brake when they are no where near anyone that could help. The funny thing is the writers forgot the warp scale works abit different in the tng era. They absolutely used the original warp factor cubed to get the 70 years, but voyagers top speed is around 5000 times light. At maximum warp It would take about 12 years to get home, but you would need to be mental to risk running it flat out. That's part of what I love about startrek, It's that big and complex that even the people making it loose track of the lore and tech.
No machine can run flat-out all the time. Seems they liked to cruise at Warp 6 a lot in that series, occasional bursts to 'maximum warp' if situations dictated. Could be assumed that while 9.95 is possible, it would have been harder on equipment and fuel than was logical considering a half-century of operation was needed out of that engine.
No need to. If we ever figure how to break the light speed limit with "warp" type technology (unlikely), there too much within our own galaxy that we'd never be able to explore it all. On the realistic hand ... humans will never figure out FTL. The only possibility we have is that AI won't kill us before giving us the FTL secret.
We're not getting to the Oort cloud, even with unmanned probes, in the lifetime of any person alive today. If humans make it to Mars or Venus before the end of the century, we'll be doing pretty well. Space is really, really big.
One realizes that even at warp 5 or 6 getting across Federation space would take many hundreds, if not, thousands of years. One would need incredible warps speeds to make the adventures of Star Trek remotely possible.
Biggest flaw in the Star Trek coda is that by travelling at various warp speeds about our Milky Way galaxy, the Enterprise would cause time to slow down for its crew, in comparison to their fellow humans on Earth. So...once they finally got to Andromeda, they would find that more technically advanced and much faster starships from Earth had gotten to the galaxy thousands of Earth years before!!
Time would slow down for the crews of Starfleet vessels if they were actually travelling at the speed of light or above (due tu general relativity). The main advantage of warp travel is that the ship doesn't move at all : space-time is contracted in front of the ship, expanded at the rear of the ship and it's space-time itself that is moving. Essentially the ship is " surfing " on space-time (due to Alcubierre's metric)
no because warp speed doesn;actually past the speed of ;light so time dialation effects aren't ;locally they are nt syt relac vistic speeds they are stationary relative to the buble it is space that is warping and drags you along with it. 0.8660255 LS to half the expected time. 0.9999999999999999999999999827 LS the entire age of the universe would seem like 1 day
@@hannibaldenouvelle-austras1133 Spock Prime: Your equation for achieving transwarp beaming. Scotty: [mutters] Get out of it... [reads the equation and gapes] Imagine that! It never occurred to me to think of space as the thing that was moving!
I recall how to calculate it was lightspeed cubed based on a really old Star Trek publication in the 1970s. I believe that book which showed diagrams and a bit of "history". Warp 1 = 3 Warp 2 = 8
I think the shows have varied from cannon as regards what Gene actually defined as warp speeds - actual speed is always (warp factor ^ 3), as defined in "The Making of Star Trek" by Stephen E. Whitfield and Gene Roddenberry, 1968. Awesome book!
You need Zephod Beeblebrock's spaceship with the improbability drive. Warp 9.99 isn't fast enough. And at Warp 10, things get weird in that all math breaks down, and you'll end up lost, not in Kansas anymore. From the Star Trek Encyclopedia Warp 1 = 1 x speed of light Warp 2 = 10 x speed of light Warp 3 = 39 x speed of light Warp 4 = 102 x speed of light Warp 5 = 214 x speed of light Warp 6 = 392 x speed of light Warp 7 = 656 x speed of light Warp 8 = 1024 x speed of light Warp 9 = 1516 x speed of light Warp 9.6 = 1909 x speed of light Warp 9.9 = 3053 x speed of light Warp 9.99 = 7912 x speed of light Warp 9.9999 = 199,516 x speed of light Warp 10 = Infinite x speed of light
The original series actually did an episode on this. The Enterprise was taken over by aliens who directed it to Andromeda, though made some improvements to the ship. The point was that they wouldn’t get there in the lifetime of the crew-not even Spock, who can live through, what, six movies and come back from the dead.
What if Scotty repurposed some totally unrelated piece of equipment, by poking a stick with a light on it at some cables behind a panel just outside the Holodeck, so that it boosted the warp drive ? Could they be there before afternoon tea?
no. The reason is that there is a barrier around the Milky Way that ships cannot penetrate. It has not yet been explained why this is so. either a bizarre physical phenomenon or it is artificially created. its called the "galactic barrier"
TOS season 2: By Any Other Name The Enterprise is taken over by aliens from Andromeda, who wants to use the ship to get home, so they refit the engines of the Enterprise being able to do so. They eventually cross "The Barrier" (a field made of negative energy) at the edge of the Milky Way galaxy and enters the void there is between our galaxy and Andromeda. Oh, that Star Trek 5 "galactic barrier", is a thing located at the center of our galaxy and turned out to be only hear say that it could not be penetrated by a starship, they traveled thrue it with out any problems just using their standard shields. More likely it was just an energyfield which was designed to keep that evil entity trapped inside, which is why the entity wanted to use the Enterprise to get out.
Whoa whoa whoa... I'm a 57 year old nerd, and I thought the Orion Nebula *WAS* a blob-shaped galaxy. This is the first I've heard it's inside the Milky Way! Old dog. New trick. Fancy that!
Nah, the Magellanic Clouds are glob-shaped galaxies outside of the Milky Way. Never heard an explanation (plausible or otherwise) why they are irregularly-shaped (too small for gravity to compact, tidal effects of the Milky Way, sheer stubbornness?).
Here's the estimate from TOS with a Kelvan enhanced starship - "Kelvan multi-generational starships were capable of sustained operations and life support across multiple millions of light years, through the voids between galaxies that offered no chance of respite at friendly starbases or planets. Their faster-than-light propulsion systems permitted the crossing in a reasonable time, spanning only a few Kelvan generations, while a Constitution-class starship running at maximum warp would take thousands of years to complete the journey. (TOS: "By Any Other Name") From Memory Alpha
Science fiction commonly struggles with scales. The Doomsday Machine from TOS is a great example. The Enterprise is a mere speck compared to any large land mass on Earth, yet the original visuals showed the Enterprise and Constellation were both scaled proportionally to the Planet Killer ... which means the Planet Killer would have been laughably small when compared to an Earth/Venus/Mars-sized planet. Also, the Planet Killer was small enough for a starship antimatter detonation to destroy it. An object that tiny would probably take *years* to slice apart an Earth-sized planet. Yet the Planet Killer destroyed them in a matter of minutes. I understand the need for tv-friendly visuals in a TV show, but ... yeah. The speed issue with warp drive is just another example of this, and its likely driven by the fact that most people don't understand that on a cosmic scale, the speed of light is actually really slow.
This really underscores how far vast distances are. Even when the Solar System is a cruise around the block, and getting through the Oort is nearly a month-long round trip, distances at the intergalactic range sober up the space jockeys pretty quick! And then we are still only in the Local Group! I think we should be pretty happy to get to Proxima Centauri within a reasonable time scale and then long for Barnard's Star by the 24th century.
Note that an episode of TOS dealt with intergalactic distances in a realistic way, where despite even modifications to the ship's engines, the aliens who hijacked the Enterprise expected to die during the voyage and their descendants would finally arrive. 2 million light years is damn far, even at 10 thousand times the speed of light, which is I think was the speed the aliens were aiming to achieve, 200 years is how long it would take.
I've seen in StarTrek them use all different calculation for warp speeds. One was warp 1 is the speed of light, warp 2 being twice the speed of light warp3 3 times the speed of light and so on. Another was warp 1 = speed of light warp 2 twice the speed of light and warp 3 is twice the speed of light to the 3 power and warp 4 is the previous warp 3 speed to the 4th power increasing the warp increases the speed exponentially So that warp 5 would be the speed of warp 4 to the 5th power so that way you get some crazy speeds enabling the ships to reach far away planets and systems.
In order for warp speed to be useful warp progressions must be X10 the previous warp number. By the time you reached, say, warp 7 you would be going millions of times faster than the speed of light.
In Star Trek,1960's version there was an episode where the Enterprise was taken over by aliens that turned none ecential crew into cubes, they wanyed to return to their home world in Andromeda, and it was stated it would take 300 yrs at warp 9
Interesting that “warping” is also a sailing term for pulling a rope attached to a fixed point to move a ship forward. The vessel and the fixed point are closing at the same rate.
Warp Drive "folds" space, doesnt necessarily mean the distance is as you described. You can arrive anywhere in the galazy and surrounding galaxies in almost real time. Thats how I see it. In some Star Trek shows, they reached Warp 7 at its fastest but cannot maintain that speed forever. This is fascinating to me, and you may be right - Warp is described as speed, which I am not sure thats what Gene Roddenbery had in mind.
That puts it into perspective, thanks, I was wondering that very same thing. Im 62 so going to Andromeda is out of the question, but the Oort cloud sounds pretty cool, do you think it rains there ?
As a teen back in the 70's i did a chart on times to reach well known stats at different warps. I had read the book the making of Star trek that gave the cube formula
Damn. 83x speed of light and you need 33,500 years at THAT speed to get to our CLOSEST galaxy! And this is in a super tiny local galactic group. Which is in a larger Virgo supercluster. Which is in a much larger Lanaikea cluster. Which itself is a tiny part of the observable universe. So basically you need to be going like SIGNIFICANTLY faster than even this to basically escape our intergalactic neighborhood. And in a universe which is expanding outwards faster than the speed of light/everything. Which means we might not even be able to catch up to wherever it is this expansion is happening. It is all just mind boggling and numbing.
NOW you get it. Good. Sit down and enjoy our solar system my earth friend. It's going to keep us busy for a long time. One day far far far far into the future we will have mining ships the size of California take the gases from Jupiter and Saturn to help terraform the other planets in our solar system for habitation. The planet Jupiter and Saturn think of them as your local gas station to fill up and distribute to other planets. Obviously not to the point where it damages the planet themselves as they help protect the inner planets from Galactic meteors. The same can be said with Uranus, Neptune and the others. All there for help in terraforming Mars and Venus possibly. Then and only them in 1,000 years will we travel the Milky Way galaxy like we do around the countryside. That's a long way off tho. We will have a million years to explore the Milky Way.
Perfect engineering. Gravity via black holes are the hooks that hold the interwoven cloth of energy/matter together. With wormholes keeping placement of space and time constant via circulation.
Remember old cassette tapes? How do they compare to a vinyl disk or a compact disc (CD)? On a tape, to get to the 5th track we need to go thru tracks 1-4 to get there. With a disc we just jump there (technically the reading head still goes thru the same space but not thru the medium itself). Current physics makes us believe to get anywhere we need to go thru space. And since space is mindbogglingly big, we need higher and higher speeds. So ... we need new physics. Physics by which we can jump from one point to another without the need to traverse the space in between. Does such physics exist? I dunno. But physics seemed against humans flying and we learnt to use physics that allowed us to fly. So there is hope.
I once calculated how many space shuttles it would take to launch the Washington monument into space. I’d be curious to see what your calculations would show!! 😉
Finally! Someone who understands the nature of the warp field instead of thinking its some sort of speedometer. Just a point of clarification - "warp" is "C", but Warp 1 is not the same as Warp.
Kirk's ship was taken over by alien's (kelvins) from Andromeda Galaxy and wanted to go home. they supped up the warp drive to make the trip in less then 300 years ( from episode "by any other name")
In Space Engine it takes about a month with the Alcubierre drive, using the standard effective velocity of 1 light year per second. BTW, it's a crazy cool and scary trip.
According to Wikipedia: "According to Gene Roddenberry's first concept script Star Trek is ..., the original Enterprise had a maximum speed of 0.73 light years per hour, which is about 6395 times the speed of light. This corresponds with warp factor 18.56 of the cubic scale." So to cross the Milky Way (100,000+ LY would be about 16 years). In the original show they seemed to cruise around a "quadrant" of the galaxy, so that would be a range of 25,000 LY or about 4 years, consistent with it's it "5 year mission). That said, the Klingons were within 100 LY of earth and that took just days to get there.
I seem to remember the very largest General Systems Vehicles (viz. Grey Area) in the Culture universe being able to achieve a speed of several thousand "Kilolights" by filling their accommodation bays with additional engines. Star Trek seems a bit slower.
I believe the Pillars of Hercules nebulae are about 300 light years from bottom to top. I just imagined a new ensign beaming aboard just as they begin a scientific data gathering excursion at Warp Factor 10. The run would take 30 years. The ensign does all the necessary work and becomes an admiral. He retires and is heading to the teleporter to return home. Just as he is being energized he hears someone say... "All this time we forgot to turn on the sensors!"
I much prefer the Heart of Gold and her Infinite Improbability drive. It can go anywhere it wants at whatever speed it wants. It can also turn objects from one type to another.
When they say to Neptune and back in 6 minutes, is that also factoring in that they have to drop out of warp, realign the ship to return to Earth and then make the return trip?
"we're going to need a faster ship." Yep. Or perhaps some kind of wormhole tech, right? Is it possible to fold spacetime so that a small section of Andromeda overlaps a bit of space right in front of our hypothetical ship?
Yes, I'm thinking star ships are going to have to pass through star gates to travel from one galaxy to the next ... if that is even possible. Space is too incredibly enormous and we are so small.
I prefer the Dune method of folding space. Then you don’t have any transit time. Or the Babylon 5 method of entering an alternate dimension and exiting at the proper place.
We may never be able to cross the galactic barrier because of the immense gravity keeping things together. We wont know until we have the technology to get us there.
Even more surprising is that hyperspace travel in Star Wars would need to be in the order of about a million times the speed of light in order for spaceships to conveniently travel around their galaxy as depicted in the movies.
Warp speeds are extremely slow when compared to the distances in our galaxy, and even smaller compared to the universe. Just going faster than light is not enough. So Star Trek is out of the equation. Then there is Star Wars and hyper space. Technically they are the same as warp speed, but we could take it further and think it is some kind of wormhole that allows to go from point a to point a skipping the rest of the letters if you know what I mean. That is much faster as technically, you enter hyper space, travel a bit, and then get out at your destination. The issue is that even wormholes could take long depending of the two end points location. So, much better option than warp speeds but still not good enough for real intergalactic travel. Then, there is a third option, which is based on the reimagine Battlestar Galactica series... hyper jumps. Basically, you "jump" from one point to another and the jump is instant regardless of the distance and locations, you just need the exact point you are jumping into and you are done. As long you don't jump inside a planet or star, you should be fine. That takes away the risk of crashing into anything while traveling which is the case of warp speed and hyper space (kinda...). In real life, we will need some kind of jump procedure to do real interstellar and intergalactic travel, and as far as we know, the only way to do that is most likely using quantum mechanics. But to get there, if even possible, we need to unify both theories of the very big and very small, otherwise, forget about being interstellar or intergalactic travelers. Wish I could live long enough to see a discovery that changes everything... But I doubt that will happen any time soon.
In reality, at our current state, it will take approximately 2447 years. It's not even worth talking about because by the time a craft gets there, if it survives at all, the society that required space travel will be long changed...if IT survived. But baring that, the laws of physics says the faster we go the more likely the craft will be obliterated by tiny particles of space matter. The larger a craft is, the more likely it will get hit. Speed isn't the major problem, it's space debris. Scaling down doesn't help much. If 100 craft were sent the size of a coffin, only a third might survive the trip, but the 3rd would at least have a chance because they are smaller. So, before getting all excited about traveling the stars, technology must MUST exist to 1. overcome the speed problem, which E=MC2 says cannot be done. 2. crafts must be able to to have some kind of way to obliterate microscopic waves of particles which does exist in space. 3. not to mention the psychological effects of weird and unknown travels, AND claustrophobia effects of just one year or less in space. There are very few who can do it. Most people are extroverts.
Just in case you forgot how incomprehensibly vast the "nothingness" of space is. When I started college in 2012, I rented a moving truck in a different town with a trailer for my pickup. I had already dropped off my pickup because reasons I've forgotten. When I dropped off the box truck, I had no vehicle and I don't think Uber existed. I walked. The drive from where I moved from took less time than the walk back to campus that day. We are so used to going slow, we probably wouldn't even know how to properly capitalize on the speed of warp for the first century.
Ben Rich, the then-director of the Skunk Works, told a UFO researcher when asked how the propulsion of these crafts work, asked ‘how does ESP work? The researcher said ‘all points in time and space are connected’…Rich said ‘that’s how it works’. So apparently, they ‘travel without moving’ like Dune’s ‘Spacing Guild’.
Any time it takes over 5 years to reach somewhere in space, don't even try. Odds are someone back home will improve warp drive enough that by the time you get there after 5 years, Earth already has an outpost and they're waiting for you.
Oddly, when people are discussing Government debt I often point out that a trillion seconds is around 30,000 years, so, about same time as visiting the Andromeda Galaxy at warp 4.5
11k years to leave the Milky Way and reach Andromeda in 30k years?
I think there's a math problem there.
The Milk Way is 100k light years across and Andromeda is 2.5 million light years away.
You are absolutely right! I checked my numbers, I forgot to covert the 11k to years, it's 11k days to get out of the galaxy (we're 26k ly from the edge) and so about 320 years!
I'll try to not get too excited by nerd math in the future that I forget to double check!
@@popculturescientist Wrong. They can reach it in any designated time they wish. It's science fiction.
Yeah, I was scratching my head on that one.
My seat of the pants guess was 15K years to andromeda… I guess in overestimated NX01’s speed.
@@popculturescientist "I uh...forgot to carry the 1.." -Prof Frink.
from here to the edge of the galaxy is 27,000 light years at 83.3 x C that comes out to 324 years not 11,000
At least Andromeda is attempting to meet us part way.
Yep, in a few billion years the trip'll be MUCH faster!🤣
No. It intends to eat us
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Maybe there will just be a big slingshot. 🤷🏼
@@clintonreisig actually ir qill mwegw qirhous most ofeither galaxy will t rea main in the combined galaxy and we woukld aready be there at warp 4.5
3 dimensional space keep believin nasa's lies
That......was awesome! As a life-long Trekkie who watched in the 60s and am now in my 60s that was totally cool. Thanks, Pop Culture Scientist.
“'Space,' it says, 'is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mindbogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space. Listen...'"
"DON'T PANIC"
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RIP Douglas Adams. Fun guy. ❤
One of the purposes of space is to reveal God’s glory. Its size and immensity of energy for just these 2 galaxies does a really good job at this.
@@markoconnell804 You’re kind of right. Gods were invented by primitive people to explain everything they didn’t understand. Not sure if they knew space was a thing though as the closest the bible gets is “the heavens”.
Planets are still sometimes termed “heavenly bodies” though. 👍🏼
when my cat sees a cucumber, he jumps to warp 9 in 0.0 seconds.
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Pickle Rick!!!
I did some checking. In "By Any Other Name", it is said that the Enterprise would take thousands of years to get to Andromeda, but the Kelvans could modify it so that it could get there in only 300 years.
So then, at what warp factor would it take to reach Andromeda in only 300 years?
@@TheNoiseySpectator A little over 20, I think, with this version of the scale.
@@billberg1264 spot on. Its a bit over 8 and a half thousand times light, about warp 9.992 in tng.
And they refused to let us keep it even though Starfleet gave them a planet.
Jerks.
Let's call Q and do it in few seconds.
We only have three choices here: A) we need a faster ship B) We need to live a lot longer or C) Stay at home!
A and B together.
We're gonna need a bigger boat!
Put hologram beings in a ship that has no unecessary features and send it. The beings will activate only when they get there.
Maybe in 40k years an answer will return.
We did this at Uni in 1975. I dont remember the method, but I do remember the answer.
So we start off and we accelerate at 1g == 9.8 ms/s/ . We accelerate to half way, at which point we are "almost" at the speed of light. We then turn around and decelerate at 1g for the second half of the journey.
Because we reach so close to the speed of light, time dilation becomes very significant. So how long this takes depends on the OBSERVE.
From the point of view of someone in our Galaxy, the journey will take about 2.3 million years. But for "us", on the mythical spaceship, only about 27 years will have elapsed.
Can’t be correct. If you’re accelerating at 1g halfway to Andromeda, you’d be dozens of times the speed of light by the time you’re halfway there. If the theory is correct, mass cannot travel faster than light. So you’d reach just below light speed after about one half year of 1g acceleration. So you’d settle in at that speed (not burning fuel of course) for whatever span of decades/centuries it takes, then when you’re perhaps a year out from your target star you’d begin the deceleration process.
@@Gk2003m Uhhh, no. Read about it a little more.
@@Gk2003m No, you can’t go faster than light. You can keep accelerating at 1 G even at 99% the speed of light. It is an asymptotic affair.
@@christianlibertarian5488 if you cannot go faster than light, there is zero value in accelerating once you’ve gotten to light speed. It would require infinite power, which would require infinite mass… which would be impossible to accelerate at all.
I guess I'll cancel my Andromeda vacation plans now. Thanks a lot.
Just ask Q for teleport.
Okay . . . . that's just serious fun. Your work really puts things into galactic perspective.
--- Thanks for the curiously entertaining upload. ---
Warp Eleventy-Seven!
Make it so!
My favoritism number.
Warp 10 is the fastest you can go. And I doubt anyone can wrap their brains around that speed. Warp 10 is the speed of light times infinity.
@@doghousedon1 not in TOS or ENT when you went past warp 10 you around a grai vty well you wetbnt back in time. 3 episodes use this in TOS and one more used the guardian
@0011peace warp 10 (speed of light times I finity) is where things really go haywire. There are two warp 10 space crafts that get into a race. Both engage warp 10 at the same time. Starship A engages it for a minute. Spaceship B engages it for an hour. Which starship went the furthest and why? Where did they go? How are they going to find their way back?
@@doghousedon1 they go backa and fourh th about 10 being max and just max they can reach. About of the episodes says you can go hi giher in grsavity well others say its infinite
Spaceball 1 went plaid, how fast is that?
Just like the clothing, incomprehensible.
Ludicrous to the rediculous power speed.
It's explained in the movie quite clearly: it's "ludicrous" speed. Maybe you should pick up a copy of "Spaceballs the Technical Manual" in the merchandise shop if you want to know more details.
@@tjsogmc I have a copy already. Fortunately I acquired it before they closed the circus and locked up all the animals in the zoo...
@@tjsogmc It's right next to Spaceballs: The Flamethrower.
Star Trek ships travel at the speed of plot. JJ’s Enterprise zipped from Earth to Vulcan in seconds. Discovery went outside the galaxy past the Great Barrier so easily it was like the crew going to McDonald’s for takeout.
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And Spock watched Vulcan's destruction from another planet in real time. Which also happened in The Force Awakens, indicating pretty damn clearly that JJ Abrams has absolutely no idea how space works.
@@CantankerousDave
*Jar Jar Abrams
That there's a great barrier at all is silly...
@@CantankerousDaveThere’s no sense of time, space, or distance in his films.
Warp 5 in TOS and ENT is 125xC. Warp 4.5 is about 91xC the TNG equivalent is warp 3.87. The episodes are notorious for braking continuitie, like the first episode where they appear to travel to the klingon home world in a shot time span when it would have took about 18 months at warp 4.5.
comments like yours make me so happy I'm not a geek who cant realize its a tv show take it for what she said it is and enjoy it!! its fun only if you dont try to correct it ???
“Bones, how many cells in a human body?”
“Millions.”
Jesus Christ, DeForest, every school kid knows it’s BILLIONS! You should have refused the line!
@@johnnycash578 making alot of assumptions there, yeah am a geek, and I absolutely realise its a tv show, I enjoy it more than most for what it is, and in no way should the the fake tech get in the way of telling a good story. Me and my buddys have fun working this stuff out whats wrong with that, and am not correcting anyone. Everything she said in the video is correct and it nice to find videos with fellow geeks who look in to it as much as I do. So what's with all the negativity?
For interstellar trael 18 months is short and they are going to make teh trip take entire season
@@fryingpanhead8809 He's an actor not a doctor
All you need is a really fresh cup of tea, and you would pass through every point in the universe at the same time
Earl grey?
"...almost but not quite entirely unlike tea..."
Brownian Motion
@@kbanghart boiling hot of course.
Remember your towel
I remember in one of the episodes they wound up in another galaxy but couldn't stay very long. Since it was the first time in the Star Trek universe they had gone to another galaxy, and as Sagan would say there are "billions upon billions" galaxies, suddenly the Star Trek universe felt very small.
There's some golden episodes out there and once you start to really think about space is terrifying
They when out side the Gaklaxy in TOS but not to and
omaeda. In TNG they the first traveler episode went to another Galaxy and beyond both space and time into thought space. DS9 and Voyager went far parts of the Milky Way and ell of them went through time and the movies went to the center ter of GAlaxy and through time. But , when you go through time it has to be someplaces familiar ike earth or elese time has no reference.
In TNG “Where No Man Has Gone Before” they wound up in the Triangulum Galaxy, which is the third largest galaxy in the Local Group, our local cluster of galaxies. Andromeda is the largest, with Milky Way being second. The rest of the galaxies in the Local Group are smaller irregular galaxies, rather similar to the Large Magellanic Cloud and the Small Magellanic Cloud.
Triangulum is in the same general area of the sky as Andromeda, but is further away, about 2.7 million light years distant. It’s likely visible with a small telescope and really dark skies. Apparently those with really good vision and optimal conditions can see it with the naked eye, which would make it the most distant object visible to the naked eye.
@@0011peace in VOY when Tom Paris took the shuttle past warp 10, they didn't describe where he went at all, but he did describe it as being everywhere at once, which is I believe a callback to the Spock in TOS.
@@kbanghart coukd akso bvebe callback the gaurdian of forever a it was sus[posed to do the same thing
I like it when people can put things into a perspective that is easy to understand. And the jist of this explains just how big the universe is. And this wasn't the entire universe, only a small portion of it.
That sinking feeling, when you come out of warp and realize you took a wrong turn at Proxima Centauri and your somewhere in the Pleiades system
Took me a moment to realize which Voyager.
This now makes much more sense. I was so confused when I heard Voyager haha.
The Star Trek warp scale has changed over the years in different series.
Very true, but ENT used the same scale that TOS did.
The scale is fixed , it sone writers are taking liberty's with the numbers, they don't count.
She explained that at 1:15.
@@j.rileyindependentproductions Everyone seems to think ENT used the TOS warp scale because it was chronologically before it, but if I recall correctly, all the numbers actually matched the TNG warp scale.
@@LordSluggo Actually, the numbers as stated in the pilot ("4.5 next Thursday," with the reply "Neptune and back in six minutes") match perfectly with the TOS scale.
Just remember that Scotty worked out that SPACE IS ALSO MOVING at worp speed criteria!
In fact, the Alcubierre warp system would do exactly that... In a space warp, you are standing still but your bubble of encapsulated space-time is moving (and dragging you along with it). The trick, of course, is the amount of energy required.
She'll no eteek enymoor capin !!!
Only outside Galaxies. Within Galaxies things move at the rotational speed of the Galaxy. What you are referring to is the relative speed of the Galaxy relative to a stationary point in the Universe. Although modern physics does suggest that the Universe is expanding at faster than the speed of light.
Therefore, whenever possible, travel DOWNSTREAM. 😜😜
7 days to clear the Oort Cloud... 16 years to the Orion Nebula... Warp 4.5 is barely fast enough to get anywhere!
Tune in to watch the adventures of the Enterprise crew as they wait for 16 years.
And all the kids on board saying "Are we there yet?".
Things like this really put into perspective how large the universe is!
On ST:Voyager, they are stranded something like 60,000 light-years away. They say that would take 70 at maximum warp, or something like that. Math works here: warp 9.5 cubed would be 857c although I think Janeway says max warp is 9.95 which works out to over 60 years. Of course, you can't sustain max warp 24/7 and you're going to make pit stops, run into trouble and other things so 60 years is ideal conditions. You really need to double that. In reality, the crew would expect to die before reaching Earth, even a young 20 year old and even if their life expectancy would be 120. Even Tuvok should not expect to see Vulcan in his life, or at least as a very old man, as he's about 50-60 and even if he could live to 200, that's a long 120 years on the ship with maybe 20-30 years left, if that, to enjoy on Vulcan.
Now this is what am talking about the deep thought stuff. Iv pondered over this for years and I recon that the ship would never make it. These things would need extremely specialised mantinence. There is no way it's running for decades like you pointed out without something braking that they just couldn't repair. Sods law says that something would brake when they are no where near anyone that could help.
The funny thing is the writers forgot the warp scale works abit different in the tng era. They absolutely used the original warp factor cubed to get the 70 years, but voyagers top speed is around 5000 times light. At maximum warp It would take about 12 years to get home, but you would need to be mental to risk running it flat out. That's part of what I love about startrek, It's that big and complex that even the people making it loose track of the lore and tech.
No machine can run flat-out all the time. Seems they liked to cruise at Warp 6 a lot in that series, occasional bursts to 'maximum warp' if situations dictated.
Could be assumed that while 9.95 is possible, it would have been harder on equipment and fuel than was logical considering a half-century of operation was needed out of that engine.
We’re never leaving our own galaxy.
No need to. If we ever figure how to break the light speed limit with "warp" type technology (unlikely), there too much within our own galaxy that we'd never be able to explore it all. On the realistic hand ... humans will never figure out FTL. The only possibility we have is that AI won't kill us before giving us the FTL secret.
Agreed
We're not getting to the Oort cloud, even with unmanned probes, in the lifetime of any person alive today. If humans make it to Mars or Venus before the end of the century, we'll be doing pretty well.
Space is really, really big.
Speak for yourself. I’m half way to another universe, man
Never say never. We might find a way to fold space.
One realizes that even at warp 5 or 6 getting across Federation space would take many hundreds, if not, thousands of years. One would need incredible warps speeds to make the adventures of Star Trek remotely possible.
Ok, my first time here, I need more of this please, awesome.
Biggest flaw in the Star Trek coda is that by travelling at various warp speeds about our Milky Way galaxy, the Enterprise would cause time to slow down for its crew, in comparison to their fellow humans on Earth.
So...once they finally got to Andromeda, they would find that more technically advanced and much faster starships from Earth had gotten to the galaxy thousands of Earth years before!!
Time would slow down for the crews of Starfleet vessels if they were actually travelling at the speed of light or above (due tu general relativity). The main advantage of warp travel is that the ship doesn't move at all : space-time is contracted in front of the ship, expanded at the rear of the ship and it's space-time itself that is moving. Essentially the ship is " surfing " on space-time (due to Alcubierre's metric)
no because warp speed doesn;actually past the speed of ;light so time dialation effects aren't ;locally they are nt syt relac vistic speeds they are stationary relative to the buble it is space that is warping and drags you along with it. 0.8660255 LS to half the expected time. 0.9999999999999999999999999827 LS the entire age of the universe would seem like 1 day
The whole reason for 'warp' travel is that the ship and crew is not affected by time dilation.
@@hannibaldenouvelle-austras1133
Spock Prime:
Your equation for achieving transwarp beaming.
Scotty:
[mutters] Get out of it... [reads the equation and gapes] Imagine that! It never occurred to me to think of space as the thing that was moving!
In the episode "By Any Other Name", where Scott drinks something green with an alien, it would take 300 years to get to the Andromeda Galaxy.
That's at warp 10+
that was at warp 17 4913 times the speed of light.
@@captcorajus And this is why Stargate artificial wormholes are quite handy
Fiction is art. Art is cooperative, not competitive.
I recall how to calculate it was lightspeed cubed based on a really old Star Trek publication in the 1970s. I believe that book which showed diagrams and a bit of "history". Warp 1 = 3 Warp 2 = 8
Scotty, I Need More Power !!! Eyy Captain, I'm a giving ya all's she's got !!
Trouble is captain, she's shakin' like a dog.
Did he try sitting on the warp engines?
She'll no eteek na moor cap'n
@@timbuktu8069 That would be most undignified, and uncomfortable.
dammit jim, im a doctor not a cat!!😺😹
You’re the greatest! Star Trek is life!
I think the shows have varied from cannon as regards what Gene actually defined as warp speeds - actual speed is always (warp factor ^ 3), as defined in "The Making of Star Trek" by Stephen E. Whitfield and Gene Roddenberry, 1968. Awesome book!
Your warp math brought me to the comments section at ludicrous speed!! I went plaid…😳
Not ludricous speed 😨
You need Zephod Beeblebrock's spaceship with the improbability drive. Warp 9.99 isn't fast enough. And at Warp 10, things get weird in that all math breaks down, and you'll end up lost, not in Kansas anymore.
From the Star Trek Encyclopedia
Warp 1 = 1 x speed of light
Warp 2 = 10 x speed of light
Warp 3 = 39 x speed of light
Warp 4 = 102 x speed of light
Warp 5 = 214 x speed of light
Warp 6 = 392 x speed of light
Warp 7 = 656 x speed of light
Warp 8 = 1024 x speed of light
Warp 9 = 1516 x speed of light
Warp 9.6 = 1909 x speed of light
Warp 9.9 = 3053 x speed of light
Warp 9.99 = 7912 x speed of light
Warp 9.9999 = 199,516 x speed of light
Warp 10 = Infinite x speed of light
Yup. The Improbability Drive makes Star Trek warp speed look like a kid on a tricycle.
@@jasonbourneistreadstone Star trek has faster transwarp. ad Q's' finger snapcan put him anwhere at anyspot in time
BistroMath!!!
@@jasonbourneistreadstone - true, but you MIGHT end up being a talking radish during the journey.
The original series actually did an episode on this. The Enterprise was taken over by aliens who directed it to Andromeda, though made some improvements to the ship. The point was that they wouldn’t get there in the lifetime of the crew-not even Spock, who can live through, what, six movies and come back from the dead.
We have at least million years of exploring Milky way without the need to go to another galaxy.
What if Scotty repurposed some totally unrelated piece of equipment, by poking a stick with a light on it at some cables behind a panel just outside the Holodeck, so that it boosted the warp drive ? Could they be there before afternoon tea?
That's probably why Star Trek never left our Galaxy
no. The reason is that there is a barrier around the Milky Way that ships cannot penetrate. It has not yet been explained why this is so. either a bizarre physical phenomenon or it is artificially created. its called the "galactic barrier"
@@schauseil187 I thought they solved that in Star Trek 5 the Final Frontier? But You're probably right have a great day
TOS season 2: By Any Other Name
The Enterprise is taken over by aliens from Andromeda, who wants to use the ship to get home, so they refit the engines of the Enterprise being able to do so.
They eventually cross "The Barrier" (a field made of negative energy) at the edge of the Milky Way galaxy and enters the void there is between our galaxy and Andromeda.
Oh, that Star Trek 5 "galactic barrier", is a thing located at the center of our galaxy and turned out to be only hear say that it could not be penetrated by a starship, they traveled thrue it with out any problems just using their standard shields.
More likely it was just an energyfield which was designed to keep that evil entity trapped inside, which is why the entity wanted to use the Enterprise to get out.
@@syntrilliumc.e.p.9326 that's great and thank you for the awesome info 💯😎
Whoa whoa whoa... I'm a 57 year old nerd, and I thought the Orion Nebula *WAS* a blob-shaped galaxy. This is the first I've heard it's inside the Milky Way!
Old dog. New trick. Fancy that!
Nah, the Magellanic Clouds are glob-shaped galaxies outside of the Milky Way.
Never heard an explanation (plausible or otherwise) why they are irregularly-shaped (too small for gravity to compact, tidal effects of the Milky Way, sheer stubbornness?).
Can't get my head around these numbers but I'm fascinated by it just the same. Thanks for giving perspective to the size of....out there.
It's a really good indicator of the distances of potential interstellar travel.
Here's the estimate from TOS with a Kelvan enhanced starship -
"Kelvan multi-generational starships were capable of sustained operations and life support across multiple millions of light years, through the voids between galaxies that offered no chance of respite at friendly starbases or planets. Their faster-than-light propulsion systems permitted the crossing in a reasonable time, spanning only a few Kelvan generations, while a Constitution-class starship running at maximum warp would take thousands of years to complete the journey. (TOS: "By Any Other Name")
From Memory Alpha
But you still need to breach the Great Energy Barrier!
I love your enthusiasm! Thanks for the informative video.
Is there in any way a consensus that traveling to another galaxy is simply never ever going to be possible.
Science fiction commonly struggles with scales. The Doomsday Machine from TOS is a great example. The Enterprise is a mere speck compared to any large land mass on Earth, yet the original visuals showed the Enterprise and Constellation were both scaled proportionally to the Planet Killer ... which means the Planet Killer would have been laughably small when compared to an Earth/Venus/Mars-sized planet. Also, the Planet Killer was small enough for a starship antimatter detonation to destroy it. An object that tiny would probably take *years* to slice apart an Earth-sized planet. Yet the Planet Killer destroyed them in a matter of minutes. I understand the need for tv-friendly visuals in a TV show, but ... yeah. The speed issue with warp drive is just another example of this, and its likely driven by the fact that most people don't understand that on a cosmic scale, the speed of light is actually really slow.
Enjoyed your vid so much … I took Picard to warp speed … it was amazing … thanks xxx
So the NX01 speed seems to change quite a bit because they went way way out there for the Zendi (sp?) conflict.
This really underscores how far vast distances are. Even when the Solar System is a cruise around the block, and getting through the Oort is nearly a month-long round trip, distances at the intergalactic range sober up the space jockeys pretty quick! And then we are still only in the Local Group! I think we should be pretty happy to get to Proxima Centauri within a reasonable time scale and then long for Barnard's Star by the 24th century.
Note that an episode of TOS dealt with intergalactic distances in a realistic way, where despite even modifications to the ship's engines, the aliens who hijacked the Enterprise expected to die during the voyage and their descendants would finally arrive. 2 million light years is damn far, even at 10 thousand times the speed of light, which is I think was the speed the aliens were aiming to achieve, 200 years is how long it would take.
Do one on using Artemis spaceship to Andromeda Galaxy!
I've seen in StarTrek them use all different calculation for warp speeds. One was warp 1 is the speed of light, warp 2 being twice the speed of light warp3 3 times the speed of light and so on. Another was warp 1 = speed of light warp 2 twice the speed of light and warp 3 is twice the speed of light to the 3 power and warp 4 is the previous warp 3 speed to the 4th power increasing the warp increases the speed exponentially So that warp 5 would be the speed of warp 4 to the 5th power so that way you get some crazy speeds enabling the ships to reach far away planets and systems.
In order for warp speed to be useful warp progressions must be X10 the previous warp number. By the time you reached, say, warp 7 you would be going millions of times faster than the speed of light.
Wouldnt it be instant travel and outside observers only gauge time travelled?
They're still moving through space so there is a travel time. Warp is moving space around them and the rate that happens depends on the warp level.
Oh man. This is a situation where "you can't get there from here"
We all need more of this!
In Star Trek,1960's version there was an episode where the Enterprise was taken over by aliens that turned none ecential crew into cubes, they wanyed to return to their home world in Andromeda, and it was stated it would take 300 yrs at warp 9
Interesting that “warping” is also a sailing term for pulling a rope attached to a fixed point to move a ship forward. The vessel and the fixed point are closing at the same rate.
Warp Drive "folds" space, doesnt necessarily mean the distance is as you described. You can arrive anywhere in the galazy and surrounding galaxies in almost real time. Thats how I see it. In some Star Trek shows, they reached Warp 7 at its fastest but cannot maintain that speed forever. This is fascinating to me, and you may be right - Warp is described as speed, which I am not sure thats what Gene Roddenbery had in mind.
That puts it into perspective, thanks, I was wondering that very same thing. Im 62 so going to Andromeda is out of the question, but the Oort cloud sounds pretty cool, do you think it rains there ?
As a teen back in the 70's i did a chart on times to reach well known stats at different warps. I had read the book the making of Star trek that gave the cube formula
How long to get to Proxima Centauri?
At warp 4.5, 17 days.
@@scottjgray Warp 4.5 is fast
@@ditto1958 this is weird, it's 17million miles a second.
Weir described it best with the paper and pencil trick in his movie.
If the engines could handle warp 9.999999 for an extended period of time, it wouldn't take too long, but the power requirements would be enormous.
Damn. 83x speed of light and you need 33,500 years at THAT speed to get to our CLOSEST galaxy! And this is in a super tiny local galactic group. Which is in a larger Virgo supercluster. Which is in a much larger Lanaikea cluster. Which itself is a tiny part of the observable universe. So basically you need to be going like SIGNIFICANTLY faster than even this to basically escape our intergalactic neighborhood. And in a universe which is expanding outwards faster than the speed of light/everything. Which means we might not even be able to catch up to wherever it is this expansion is happening. It is all just mind boggling and numbing.
NOW you get it. Good.
Sit down and enjoy our solar system my earth friend. It's going to keep us busy for a long time.
One day far far far far into the future we will have mining ships the size of California take the gases from Jupiter and Saturn to help terraform the other planets in our solar system for habitation.
The planet Jupiter and Saturn think of them as your local gas station to fill up and distribute to other planets. Obviously not to the point where it damages the planet themselves as they help protect the inner planets from Galactic meteors.
The same can be said with Uranus, Neptune and the others. All there for help in terraforming Mars and Venus possibly.
Then and only them in 1,000 years will we travel the Milky Way galaxy like we do around the countryside.
That's a long way off tho.
We will have a million years to explore the Milky Way.
The distances are mind boggling and yet somehow gravity still holds it all together in a beautiful pattern. How is that possible?
Perfect engineering. Gravity via black holes are the hooks that hold the interwoven cloth of energy/matter together. With wormholes keeping placement of space and time constant via circulation.
@@supernautacus I agree. Perfect engineering.
Remember old cassette tapes? How do they compare to a vinyl disk or a compact disc (CD)? On a tape, to get to the 5th track we need to go thru tracks 1-4 to get there. With a disc we just jump there (technically the reading head still goes thru the same space but not thru the medium itself). Current physics makes us believe to get anywhere we need to go thru space. And since space is mindbogglingly big, we need higher and higher speeds. So ... we need new physics. Physics by which we can jump from one point to another without the need to traverse the space in between.
Does such physics exist? I dunno. But physics seemed against humans flying and we learnt to use physics that allowed us to fly. So there is hope.
I once calculated how many space shuttles it would take to launch the Washington monument into space. I’d be curious to see what your calculations would show!! 😉
Finally! Someone who understands the nature of the warp field instead of thinking its some sort of speedometer. Just a point of clarification - "warp" is "C", but Warp 1 is not the same as Warp.
Warp is n^3 times c. 1^3 is 1 times c, which is just c. Warp factor 1 is in fact equal to c.
depends if you can find a borg trans warp conduit.
"Don't forget your towel!" What about the "Infinite Probability Drive" ? Maybe, The "Heart of Gold" could get you there faster?
Obviously you haven't heard about the Warp Doubler and Warp Tripler, available now from Ronko. Includes a pocket fisherman for that long trip.
not space-legal
Kirk's ship was taken over by alien's (kelvins) from Andromeda Galaxy and wanted to go home. they supped up the warp drive to make the trip in less then 300 years ( from episode "by any other name")
Doesn't "getting there" involve some process of deceleration before you overshoot your destination? How would that work?
I forgot at wich episode and what the speed exactly was, bit the speed in miles per second was mentioned at one point.
In Space Engine it takes about a month with the Alcubierre drive, using the standard effective velocity of 1 light year per second. BTW, it's a crazy cool and scary trip.
The Kelvins will modify its engines to create speeds beyond your current technology. The trip will take about 200 years in your time.
According to Wikipedia: "According to Gene Roddenberry's first concept script Star Trek is ..., the original Enterprise had a maximum speed of 0.73 light years per hour, which is about 6395 times the speed of light. This corresponds with warp factor 18.56 of the cubic scale." So to cross the Milky Way (100,000+ LY would be about 16 years). In the original show they seemed to cruise around a "quadrant" of the galaxy, so that would be a range of 25,000 LY or about 4 years, consistent with it's it "5 year mission). That said, the Klingons were within 100 LY of earth and that took just days to get there.
I seem to remember the very largest General Systems Vehicles (viz. Grey Area) in the Culture universe being able to achieve a speed of several thousand "Kilolights" by filling their accommodation bays with additional engines. Star Trek seems a bit slower.
Even Scotty can't help us here!! 🚀
I recall in a episode of Star Trek Voyager, they explain that their maximum warp is 9.9, Which is 4 billion miles a second.
I believe the Pillars of Hercules nebulae are about 300 light years from bottom to top. I just imagined a new ensign beaming aboard just as they begin a scientific data gathering excursion at Warp Factor 10. The run would take 30 years. The ensign does all the necessary work and becomes an admiral. He retires and is heading to the teleporter to return home. Just as he is being energized he hears someone say... "All this time we forgot to turn on the sensors!"
I much prefer the Heart of Gold and her Infinite Improbability drive. It can go anywhere it wants at whatever speed it wants. It can also turn objects from one type to another.
The whale... the petunias... Whatever really happened to the petunias when they thought "Here we go again..." ??🤔😕
When they say to Neptune and back in 6 minutes, is that also factoring in that they have to drop out of warp, realign the ship to return to Earth and then make the return trip?
"we're going to need a faster ship." Yep. Or perhaps some kind of wormhole tech, right? Is it possible to fold spacetime so that a small section of Andromeda overlaps a bit of space right in front of our hypothetical ship?
Yes, I'm thinking star ships are going to have to pass through star gates to travel from one galaxy to the next ... if that is even possible. Space is too incredibly enormous and we are so small.
I prefer the Dune method of folding space. Then you don’t have any transit time. Or the Babylon 5 method of entering an alternate dimension and exiting at the proper place.
Forget about the Andromeda galaxy, what about just getting from one side of the Federation to the other?
We may never be able to cross the galactic barrier because of the immense gravity keeping things together. We wont know until we have the technology to get us there.
Even more surprising is that hyperspace travel in Star Wars would need to be in the order of about a million times the speed of light in order for spaceships to conveniently travel around their galaxy as depicted in the movies.
Wesley : Captain, I've find a way to get faster.....
Picard : Shut Up Wesley!!
that is so funny! :-)
Yeah.... Wesleys friend gos fast but not much control on where you end up.
How long to get to Ork or Melmac?
Where are they? How far away?
@@TheNoiseySpectator Um..."over there" somewhere -- I'm fairly sure of that.
Warp speeds are extremely slow when compared to the distances in our galaxy, and even smaller compared to the universe. Just going faster than light is not enough. So Star Trek is out of the equation. Then there is Star Wars and hyper space. Technically they are the same as warp speed, but we could take it further and think it is some kind of wormhole that allows to go from point a to point a skipping the rest of the letters if you know what I mean. That is much faster as technically, you enter hyper space, travel a bit, and then get out at your destination. The issue is that even wormholes could take long depending of the two end points location. So, much better option than warp speeds but still not good enough for real intergalactic travel. Then, there is a third option, which is based on the reimagine Battlestar Galactica series... hyper jumps. Basically, you "jump" from one point to another and the jump is instant regardless of the distance and locations, you just need the exact point you are jumping into and you are done. As long you don't jump inside a planet or star, you should be fine. That takes away the risk of crashing into anything while traveling which is the case of warp speed and hyper space (kinda...). In real life, we will need some kind of jump procedure to do real interstellar and intergalactic travel, and as far as we know, the only way to do that is most likely using quantum mechanics. But to get there, if even possible, we need to unify both theories of the very big and very small, otherwise, forget about being interstellar or intergalactic travelers. Wish I could live long enough to see a discovery that changes everything... But I doubt that will happen any time soon.
Let's just face it. We aren't going anywhere.
You are correct. Milky way was designed to keep up busy for a VERY long time.
Does the approximate travel time to Andromeda factor in that Galaxy's movement towards the Milky Way?
It’ll take about 4 billion years before Andromeda reaches us so it doesn’t really affect the distance
@@popculturescientist True that, but it's moving awfully fast towards us. And us towards them....
It’s 110 km per second which is nothing compared to 24 million km per second. But it’s crazy fast compared to the M1 speed limit!
This was cool. Can you do one for the top cursing speeds of the other enterprises?
In reality, at our current state, it will take approximately 2447 years. It's not even worth talking about because by the time a craft gets there, if it survives at all, the society that required space travel will be long changed...if IT survived. But baring that, the laws of physics says the faster we go the more likely the craft will be obliterated by tiny particles of space matter. The larger a craft is, the more likely it will get hit. Speed isn't the major problem, it's space debris. Scaling down doesn't help much. If 100 craft were sent the size of a coffin, only a third might survive the trip, but the 3rd would at least have a chance because they are smaller. So, before getting all excited about traveling the stars, technology must MUST exist to 1. overcome the speed problem, which E=MC2 says cannot be done. 2. crafts must be able to to have some kind of way to obliterate microscopic waves of particles which does exist in space. 3. not to mention the psychological effects of weird and unknown travels, AND claustrophobia effects of just one year or less in space. There are very few who can do it. Most people are extroverts.
Just in case you forgot how incomprehensibly vast the "nothingness" of space is.
When I started college in 2012, I rented a moving truck in a different town with a trailer for my pickup. I had already dropped off my pickup because reasons I've forgotten. When I dropped off the box truck, I had no vehicle and I don't think Uber existed.
I walked.
The drive from where I moved from took less time than the walk back to campus that day.
We are so used to going slow, we probably wouldn't even know how to properly capitalize on the speed of warp for the first century.
Ben Rich, the then-director of the Skunk Works, told a UFO researcher when asked how the propulsion of these crafts work, asked ‘how does ESP work? The researcher said ‘all points in time and space are connected’…Rich said ‘that’s how it works’. So apparently, they ‘travel without moving’ like Dune’s ‘Spacing Guild’.
Any time it takes over 5 years to reach somewhere in space, don't even try.
Odds are someone back home will improve warp drive enough that by the time you get there after 5 years, Earth already has an outpost and they're waiting for you.
Oddly, when people are discussing Government debt I often point out that a trillion seconds is around 30,000 years, so, about same time as visiting the Andromeda Galaxy at warp 4.5