I know it's dumb, but when I was younger I favored using aurora beam over ice beam because it had a prettier attack animation despite ice beam being way stronger 😭
Okay, it's through extremely convoluted means, but dewgong can learn aqua jet, ice shard, and curse. It's the ONLY ice/water type that can have the first two of those moves in the same movepool, let alone ALL THREE. you can also run ice body+leftovers for solid hp regen. It's by no means the most overpowered thing, but I have never seen ANYONE else bring this up. I have this Dewgong in Ultra sun, and I still love going back to use it.
Good for you! I firmly believe Dewgong needs more love! I originally thought it could get a Regional Variant as the first Ice/Poison-based on a seal being contaminated by an oil spill-but I think that’s both unlikely and WAY too grim.
I heard they took away the chip damage with Snowscape because people didn’t want to use Hail because it basically stuck you with an Ice type team. I don’t understand why they couldn’t have both the boost + chip damage, + maybe just make Water types immune + add abilities like Slush Rush + maybe a new Sand Force or Solar Power like ability to some non-Ice types And maybe give Ice ground and water resistances
I always use Articuno as a utility mon, one of my favorites! I remember watching an episode of the show a trainer had one, I thought it was so cool it knew water pulse
Typings like Bug or Grass not being resisted by Ice always came off as a development oversight. In a realistic sense Ice should resist Bug because during the winter season you don't really see Bug activity due to the cold climate. just like how grass and plant life shrivel during winters. The same goes with flying. If anything these three types should be the ones Ice resist since it makes sense from a realistic perspective.
Like to say enough things already resist Grass, why are we throwing another one in there. To be fair, Steel, Poison, Fire, Bug, Flying all resist grass, thats already fucking enough. Be more happy to see Grass types get a buff besides being immune to grass status moves.
I had Arctovish on one of my teams and I felt so sorry for it. It looked liked a blob fish and was one of those that looked like it was screaming internally. Still one hell of a mon in game.
Some lose speed due to design and lore wise kingambit is a leader which means he no longer needs to attack he sends his minions to attack for him Mr.Rime honestly am not sure make cause he gains weight and is a mime that is strange to me as well he ice skates in the anime so he should be faster
Great video! Ice needs resistances to Flying, Water & Dragon Types with an immunity to Ice itself. I would recommend resistances to Bug & Grass Types as well, but that would be overkill. How Game Freak only gave one of the strongest nature elements one resistance is beyond any logical reasoning. Ice is just as strong as Fire. The resistances should reflect that.
More love!? I love all Ice types. All of them. All, of, them (Looking to you Eiscue)! 🥇Kantonian Articuno (And Overall favourite)! 🥈Alolan Ninetales, Glaceon & Chien-Pao; 🥉Abomasnow, Aurorus & Crabominable; 4 - Cloyster.
Glaceon was my first real Shiny catch, and I didnt have one until Scarlet, despite playing every gen. I would have been mad to get a sorta boring shiny, but it actually ran up to me. pokefans, the shiny chose me. how could I not love Glaceon, instantly into my top 20 or so. theres no bad eeveloution, except vaporeon, theyre situational, but had to write out this love letter to Glaceon
Resisting grass would totally be a nerf to grass. Grass already has tons of weaknesses and types that resist it. Ice should resist fairy, because fairy needs a nerf
I am an ice type lover and I couldn't agree more with Crabominable, Arctovish and Frosmoth on your list. I love using these in my SD Mono ice team. They always take my opponents by surprise.
I love Aurorus despite its massive weaknesses. My aurorus is my electric coverage together with avalanche and ancient power atm. Its slow so avalanche almost always hits mega hard. Its very useful against many of the flying types present in X and Y. I was really lacking some electric coverage and it having access to Thunder wave and thunderbolt was a nice bonus for me
I always use Beartic when possible, and this bear is a complete beast in Scarlet and Violet, the game is practically made so Beartic specifically is amazing. And boy the DLC is mainly double battles and has Alolan Ninetales available, this guy absolutely dominates that game.
I actually like Crabominable and thankfully don't have to get annoyed about it taking forever to evolve with it's new evolution condition, I also like Frosmoth and think it's beautiful.
People say all Ice type moves should be super effective on water, and one person even said Fire should just do normal damage on ice instead of being super effective. I don't agree with the Fire part but the all water types being weak to ice, could be a problem for some already powerful Water PokeMon. It would give PokeMon such as Swampert, Ludicolo, Gyarados, Dracovish, and other Water/Ground, Water/Grass, Water/Flying, and Water/Dragon types, a 4x weakness. That would mean Water/Ground PokeMon such as Swampert, Quagsire, Whiscash, Gastrodon, and Seismitoad (PokeMon that only have 1 weakness which is a 4x weakness) would all gain another 4x weakness nerfing them. Yes I know they can each learn Rock and Fighting moves to cover the Ice weakness (like how you can teach a Water/Ground PokeMon Ice Beam for the Grass weakness), but it would still be a pain. Ludicolo would as least have only 1 4x weakness and Ludicolo can learn Fire Punch and Drain Punch to give Ice types a run for their money. Water/Flying PokeMon like Cramorant and Pelipper can learn Steel Wing to take cover that Ice weakness while Gyarados can learn Iron Head and Flamethrower. Lastly Kingdra and Dracovish could at least learn Iron Head
Honestly, another reason why ice isn't super effective against water that I feel like a lot of people forget is that changing that to be the way it works by default would effectively make the move freeze dry pointless, seeing as it already covers that niche
I actually used an Aurorus in my Pokémon X play-through. I'll agree it's pretty frail and slow, but I still had fun using it. It helped that the Quick Claw I gave it helped speed it up so it could deal with more Pokémon than it probably normally would.
I once ran a mono ice team and arctovish was the centerpiece monster. Slush Rush focus band fishious rend destroyed everything lol. Tons of fun and im an Arctovish fan now
Articuno in hail (or now it would be Snow) isn’t bad. 100% accurate blizzards, & it gets the evasion boost if it has Snow Cloak. Add hurricane with that, it’s got 2 amazing STAB moves. Despite its stats, it’s better to run it offensively than defensively. I usually run with choice scarf.
Also, also...you can evolve Crabrawler as soon as you pass by Mt. Lanakila by what I think is the halfway point of Alola. You don’t have to wait until you are going up to the league
I think the top 10 underrated ice type Pokemon are 10, Articuno 9, Glaceon 8, Avalug 7, Glactier 6, Vanilluxe 5, Jynx 4, Frosmoth 3, Articvish 2, Mr Rime 1, Crabomable and do either Dragon or Fire type next.
Flareon was my original favorite eeveelution but umbreon took his place for me. But still a top 3. Lol I think leafeon and glaceon both are interchangeably in that second or third spot lol
I really don’t understand Gamefreak’s design philosophy in their attempts to make Ice type tanks when it just never works. Just look what happens when the did the exact opposite with Weavile and Chein- Pao. Great list btw, Mystic.
I really like Avalugg thanks to XYZ anime and absolutely want to put it in my gen 6 team. If only its special defense is higher then it would be my most favorite ice type mon.
Poor Glaceon. I love the eeveelutions, but I wouldn't say that Glaceon is the worst. That title imo goes to my previous favorite. Espeon. Espeon isn't useful, Sylveon has the same movepool. Sylveon is slower, but is so much more tanky and hits almost as hard at 110 special vs 130 special. Sylveon also gets stab on Moonblast. My new favorite eeveelution is Leafeon. Meh typing, but 95 base speed and 110 base attack with a diverse movepool. And Leaf stone instead of friendship. (I'm probably about to get my ass roasted by a competitive snob but oh well. Bring it.)
I still belive ice should resist water and/or electric. While i don't think it should be too bulky of a type just resisting itself while having tons of weaknesses feels kinda unfair (yes i am aware of how powerful it is as an offensive type).
I think I just had an idea for an extra special, new, extremely rare Pokemon type (perhaps near extinct)... "Diamond-Type", also known as the Iridescent=Sparkle type sometimes. This should be (in theory) one of the strongest types based mainly on defence but with good attack as well, its only major weakness being Ice (which it's often mistaken for) and perhaps vulnerable to Fairy & Ghost types as well. Also, Pokemon who naturally have this typing are supposed to be really nice yet tough looking and often quite pretty looking. They're perhaps almost always shiny. (I'm not sure why I had this idea, which is possibly a bad one, but I thought it could be a fun concept, and I'm sure people can figure out how to improve and add to this).
Ice pokemon just need their resistances and weaknesses changed a little. It should be resistant to at least water and maybe grass too. And i would take away the weakness from rock types. I bever really got that. Is it because rocks are harder than ice?
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I know it's dumb, but when I was younger I favored using aurora beam over ice beam because it had a prettier attack animation despite ice beam being way stronger 😭
Can’t argue with that although I can’t remember the last time I’ve used that move didn’t only arrous have it or something
Same
Same!!!
Facts. I did the same with bubble beam over surf. Did that till I was like 10.
@Necfreon no lol 😆 it's been in the game since gen 1
Okay, it's through extremely convoluted means, but dewgong can learn aqua jet, ice shard, and curse. It's the ONLY ice/water type that can have the first two of those moves in the same movepool, let alone ALL THREE. you can also run ice body+leftovers for solid hp regen. It's by no means the most overpowered thing, but I have never seen ANYONE else bring this up. I have this Dewgong in Ultra sun, and I still love going back to use it.
Good for you! I firmly believe Dewgong needs more love! I originally thought it could get a Regional Variant as the first Ice/Poison-based on a seal being contaminated by an oil spill-but I think that’s both unlikely and WAY too grim.
I heard they took away the chip damage with Snowscape because people didn’t want to use Hail because it basically stuck you with an Ice type team. I don’t understand why they couldn’t have both the boost + chip damage, + maybe just make Water types immune + add abilities like Slush Rush + maybe a new Sand Force or Solar Power like ability to some non-Ice types
And maybe give Ice ground and water resistances
I always use Articuno as a utility mon, one of my favorites! I remember watching an episode of the show a trainer had one, I thought it was so cool it knew water pulse
Excellent anti-Fire coverage!
Great vid. Any chance of an underrated grass type vid. Always liked the potential moves sets for them
The simplicity of dewgongs design is one of the reasons i love it so much
Agreed. I’ve always felt sad it’s a forgotten mon of the past.
Typings like Bug or Grass not being resisted by Ice always came off as a development oversight. In a realistic sense Ice should resist Bug because during the winter season you don't really see Bug activity due to the cold climate. just like how grass and plant life shrivel during winters. The same goes with flying. If anything these three types should be the ones Ice resist since it makes sense from a realistic perspective.
Like to say enough things already resist Grass, why are we throwing another one in there. To be fair, Steel, Poison, Fire, Bug, Flying all resist grass, thats already fucking enough. Be more happy to see Grass types get a buff besides being immune to grass status moves.
I had Arctovish on one of my teams and I felt so sorry for it. It looked liked a blob fish and was one of those that looked like it was screaming internally.
Still one hell of a mon in game.
Some lose speed due to design and lore wise kingambit is a leader which means he no longer needs to attack he sends his minions to attack for him Mr.Rime honestly am not sure make cause he gains weight and is a mime that is strange to me as well he ice skates in the anime so he should be faster
Love the video and keep up the great work
Great video!
Ice needs resistances to Flying, Water & Dragon Types with an immunity to Ice itself.
I would recommend resistances to Bug & Grass Types as well, but that would be overkill.
How Game Freak only gave one of the strongest nature elements one resistance is beyond any logical reasoning.
Ice is just as strong as Fire. The resistances should reflect that.
More love!? I love all Ice types. All of them. All, of, them (Looking to you Eiscue)!
🥇Kantonian Articuno (And Overall favourite)!
🥈Alolan Ninetales, Glaceon & Chien-Pao;
🥉Abomasnow, Aurorus & Crabominable;
4 - Cloyster.
Avalugg was my Champ for the recent Decidueye 7 Stars Raid, as long as it didn't get crit it was a guaranteed win.
Glaceon was my first real Shiny catch, and I didnt have one until Scarlet, despite playing every gen. I would have been mad to get a sorta boring shiny, but it actually ran up to me. pokefans, the shiny chose me. how could I not love Glaceon, instantly into my top 20 or so. theres no bad eeveloution, except vaporeon, theyre situational, but had to write out this love letter to Glaceon
For me Ice should resist grass, bug and water. This change would buff the ice type greatly without nerffing any other type too much
I never really understood why it didn't resist water to begin with.
Resisting grass would totally be a nerf to grass. Grass already has tons of weaknesses and types that resist it. Ice should resist fairy, because fairy needs a nerf
@@thisyogaguy I would make ice resist ground, water, flying, fairy and dragon.
If there is something we need less than another weakness for Ice is an EIGHTH type resists either Grass or Bug
I am an ice type lover and I couldn't agree more with Crabominable, Arctovish and Frosmoth on your list. I love using these in my SD Mono ice team. They always take my opponents by surprise.
I love Aurorus despite its massive weaknesses. My aurorus is my electric coverage together with avalanche and ancient power atm. Its slow so avalanche almost always hits mega hard. Its very useful against many of the flying types present in X and Y. I was really lacking some electric coverage and it having access to Thunder wave and thunderbolt was a nice bonus for me
Aurorus is a permanent member of my personal list of “Pokémon I Like, But Isn’t a Favorite”. 😊
I always use Beartic when possible, and this bear is a complete beast in Scarlet and Violet, the game is practically made so Beartic specifically is amazing.
And boy the DLC is mainly double battles and has Alolan Ninetales available, this guy absolutely dominates that game.
I actually like Crabominable and thankfully don't have to get annoyed about it taking forever to evolve with it's new evolution condition, I also like Frosmoth and think it's beautiful.
At least Crabominable can evolve faster in USUM than in SM, which definitely helps. And I’m with you on Frosmoth, which is a new favorite Bug. 😊
People say all Ice type moves should be super effective on water, and one person even said Fire should just do normal damage on ice instead of being super effective. I don't agree with the Fire part but the all water types being weak to ice, could be a problem for some already powerful Water PokeMon. It would give PokeMon such as Swampert, Ludicolo, Gyarados, Dracovish, and other Water/Ground, Water/Grass, Water/Flying, and Water/Dragon types, a 4x weakness. That would mean Water/Ground PokeMon such as Swampert, Quagsire, Whiscash, Gastrodon, and Seismitoad (PokeMon that only have 1 weakness which is a 4x weakness) would all gain another 4x weakness nerfing them. Yes I know they can each learn Rock and Fighting moves to cover the Ice weakness (like how you can teach a Water/Ground PokeMon Ice Beam for the Grass weakness), but it would still be a pain. Ludicolo would as least have only 1 4x weakness and Ludicolo can learn Fire Punch and Drain Punch to give Ice types a run for their money. Water/Flying PokeMon like Cramorant and Pelipper can learn Steel Wing to take cover that Ice weakness while Gyarados can learn Iron Head and Flamethrower. Lastly Kingdra and Dracovish could at least learn Iron Head
To be fair... i problably just give Ice Pokes a Water resistance.
I've thought about it, but if those things need to happen then so be it, because Ice SHOULD be super effective towards Water.
I agree fully because what is Ice if not FROZEN WATER
Honestly, another reason why ice isn't super effective against water that I feel like a lot of people forget is that changing that to be the way it works by default would effectively make the move freeze dry pointless, seeing as it already covers that niche
I actually used an Aurorus in my Pokémon X play-through. I'll agree it's pretty frail and slow, but I still had fun using it. It helped that the Quick Claw I gave it helped speed it up so it could deal with more Pokémon than it probably normally would.
Also, not to mention that Ice Type Pokemon is the rarest type there is. I wonder why Gamefreak doesn’t design more of these ‘mons.
A fun way I’ve used Glaceon before is as an Assault Vest sweeper on Hail Room teams.
RIP hail
Glaceon is my favorite eeveelution
I’d suggest Ice Type only nuzlocke by the Andrew collette show if you want to see some of these guys getting some love
Underrated Ground types next please!
Aurorus deserves the fairy type instead of rock and dewgong deserves a new evolution cause it leaves a lot to be desired
Ice/Fairy sounds like the “pure” version of Aurorus, if it was revived with proper machinery.
Dragon types next!!
I once ran a mono ice team and arctovish was the centerpiece monster. Slush Rush focus band fishious rend destroyed everything lol. Tons of fun and im an Arctovish fan now
Oh yeah? Which game? I did Mono-Dark in Ultra Moon a few years ago, and am currently doing Mono-Water in the original Black. 😊
@@zacharyjoy8724 ah, this was for competitive
@@tinothetuna215 …Oh. Something I know NOTHING about, then. 😅
I will always love Glaceon. It's my fav of the Eevee's.
The reason I best remember Articuno is mind reader sheer cold. Had some love in gen1 as well, especially since special was not split at that time.
"I've been messing around with jynx myself" oh my god 🌝😭😭😭😭
I love my Glaceon❄
fire types, please!
You know I click on the video when I see Articuno on the thumbnail
Baxcalibur my beloved
Not underrated but still deserves all the love ❤️
Articuno in hail (or now it would be Snow) isn’t bad. 100% accurate blizzards, & it gets the evasion boost if it has Snow Cloak. Add hurricane with that, it’s got 2 amazing STAB moves. Despite its stats, it’s better to run it offensively than defensively. I usually run with choice scarf.
Ice is a top 5 favorite of mine. So many great and goofy ice types. Gotta see Bug next 🐛
Also, also...you can evolve Crabrawler as soon as you pass by Mt. Lanakila by what I think is the halfway point of Alola. You don’t have to wait until you are going up to the league
Geez it feels like the purposely Saratoga Ice types and their so cool (no pun intended)
Crabomimable is my favorite gen 7 mon. US/UM was nice since you can evolve it earlier
Back in gen 1 Articuno was great because of the 90% accuracy of blizzard. But now that it's only 70% it's less good.
But also glaceon is one of my all time favorite pokemon and is my favorite eeveelution 🥹
Articuno is the mascot of team mystic from Pokémon Go and is what really was the catalyst to my social media name
I think the top 10 underrated ice type Pokemon are 10, Articuno 9, Glaceon 8, Avalug 7, Glactier 6, Vanilluxe 5, Jynx 4, Frosmoth 3, Articvish 2, Mr Rime 1, Crabomable and do either Dragon or Fire type next.
Also, Flareon is wildly underrated, on top of being my favorite Eeveelution
Flareon was my original favorite eeveelution but umbreon took his place for me. But still a top 3. Lol I think leafeon and glaceon both are interchangeably in that second or third spot lol
Me who loves Glaceon above any other mons and ice type is my favorite type: ah that's nice
I love Aurorus and Waldron. I know they’re bad. It hurts to use them but I love them.
I really don’t understand Gamefreak’s design philosophy in their attempts to make Ice type tanks when it just never works. Just look what happens when the did the exact opposite with Weavile and Chein- Pao. Great list btw, Mystic.
Snom was my first shiny Pokemon in Pokemon Scarlet.
I really like Avalugg thanks to XYZ anime and absolutely want to put it in my gen 6 team. If only its special defense is higher then it would be my most favorite ice type mon.
Fortunately, Gen. Six gives you Super Training, if you’re patient enough to use it.
Some Pokémon lose speed due to weight or if their evolutions imply aging. Like Mr. rhyme is like an old man lol
I find Aurorus underrated. Glastrier is underrated compared to Spectrier but I prefer Calyrex Ice Rider!
Trick room monsterrr
Poor Glaceon. I love the eeveelutions, but I wouldn't say that Glaceon is the worst. That title imo goes to my previous favorite. Espeon. Espeon isn't useful, Sylveon has the same movepool. Sylveon is slower, but is so much more tanky and hits almost as hard at 110 special vs 130 special. Sylveon also gets stab on Moonblast.
My new favorite eeveelution is Leafeon. Meh typing, but 95 base speed and 110 base attack with a diverse movepool. And Leaf stone instead of friendship.
(I'm probably about to get my ass roasted by a competitive snob but oh well. Bring it.)
It is odd that Mr Rime is slow. You’d think a Pokémon that is basically a tap dancer, it would be much faster.
3:36 and yet, those are my two favorites... ha ha
Vanilluxe snow warning blizzard is crazy
Underrated duel-type Pokémon.
poison type plz
I'm shocked he didn't add tera ice Gengar to the list😂
I still belive ice should resist water and/or electric. While i don't think it should be too bulky of a type just resisting itself while having tons of weaknesses feels kinda unfair (yes i am aware of how powerful it is as an offensive type).
I think I just had an idea for an extra special, new, extremely rare Pokemon type (perhaps near extinct)... "Diamond-Type", also known as the Iridescent=Sparkle type sometimes. This should be (in theory) one of the strongest types based mainly on defence but with good attack as well, its only major weakness being Ice (which it's often mistaken for) and perhaps vulnerable to Fairy & Ghost types as well. Also, Pokemon who naturally have this typing are supposed to be really nice yet tough looking and often quite pretty looking. They're perhaps almost always shiny. (I'm not sure why I had this idea, which is possibly a bad one, but I thought it could be a fun concept, and I'm sure people can figure out how to improve and add to this).
The most underrated ice type pokemon is actually Delibird(I mean actual Delibird). It can sweep
Always loved vanilleuxe. There were magnets and goo pokemon introduced Gen 1 and there was a literal garbage bag pokemon to redirect that anger at.
Well Chien Pao overshadows all other Ice types
Ice pokemon just need their resistances and weaknesses changed a little. It should be resistant to at least water and maybe grass too. And i would take away the weakness from rock types. I bever really got that. Is it because rocks are harder than ice?
The type would be much better if Frostbite would stay and it would be as easy to inflict as Burn.
I was so glad to see Jynx on this list, she is my FAVORITE Ice-type Pokémon!
Dude, using the same avatar for years... longevity FTW
So help me god if Vanilluxe with its starter level bst and Snow Warning + Blizzard isn't on this list I'm gonna flip my shit.
How about the Fighting types that are underrated?
Steel!
I used vanilluxe in my original black playthrough and he's in my sword team
My brother loves glaceon ever since Pokemon konquest
I friggin LOVE Vanilluxe.
ghosts :D
Did you forgot mistic sage
Vanilluxe is so strong and cool
My favorite Pokémon of all time is glaceon actually
I WANT FAIRY !!
I loved Gen 1 Articuno. Time was not kind to my friend...
Snow scape helps it thrive
I'm sad to hear glaceon and flareon are the least populate eveelutions their my fave evelutions along with vaporeoon
Psychic type next
Who uses a legendary over a regular mon. The melmetal vs crab makes no sense
Unite players know alot about Glaceon💀
Poison please☣️☣️☣️
Uhhh.... Cloyster, anyone?
Btw Articuno can't find a role even in PU
Avalugg is too damn slow to be doing gryo ball
Darn articuno is one of my fave ice pokemon uf not pokemon period
Jesus, I'm early...
Lets go I made it First, love you Mystic
It’s pronounced UH-TAHT-UH-mize and lah-nuh-KEE-luh, “Patrick Star”! 🤨
Stop mispronouncing Pokémon names, bub! 🙄
Your really getting mad over simple Mispronouncations? Wow
Wait until Terastalizing is not in the next pokemon game; maybe game freak will finally buff ice types without the changing of tera types
Eiscue has become my favourite ice type!
Stop being mean to delibird!
Stop being mean to ice types!!!
Stop being mean to Hisuian Avalugg
It's garbage.
Stop being mean to ice types