Concerning the "Bad Reputation" of the Old School Renaissance

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  • @EaterOfWorlds78
    @EaterOfWorlds78 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    Dude, you're looking so much healthier these days. I'm really proud of your hard work and self discipline.

    • @vorgralax
      @vorgralax 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I agree with this, your lookin' good my man. Great video, also find it agreeable.

  • @VermilionMage
    @VermilionMage 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    I think WotC has a worse reputation.

    • @markfaulkner8191
      @markfaulkner8191 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      That mainly started in the past year, post OGL. Until then I never had a problem with Hasbro. Indeed, I once praised them for all the work they did making old books available Print-on-Demand. It is not easy work. There are no digital originals. Things were done with typeset and rubber cement back then. The disclaimers never bothered me. It is a safe conservative corporate way to cover one's ass. Just in case. If you had the Atruaghin Clans Gazetter, you would understand LoL. But sometime in the middle of the year before last, they stopped. Then at the end that year, about a year ago today, the OGL fiasco happened. They backed off, and the apology tour made it worse. Then the Pinkertons. Then the layoffs and the C suite bullshit. And now Hasbro is on the verge of bankruptcy. They cannot afford to pay their dividends. The corpos need to be put out on the street. But it doesn't matter anymore. Hasbro is dying, and I think it will dissolve by the end of this year.

    • @kredonystus7768
      @kredonystus7768 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@markfaulkner8191 WotC has been horrible for a long time. The Magic the Gathering community has been shouting about it for years. The D&D community just never saw it because "not my game, not my problem"

  • @halenarfrosthelm2273
    @halenarfrosthelm2273 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    All of the "older straight white grognards" I know are like me, we run open tables that welcome anyone who is not a jerk to the other players. From 1975 to the present all of my groups have included men and women, none of those groups have been all white and those groups have had gay people in nearly every group over the last 49 years. Biggest thing bringing changes to group composition, moving to a new city and starting a new group. My first group in college in 1975 was 50/50 M/F for the whole four years, very mixed group by any criteria you would want to pick. All of the over 65 (i.e. 15 or older in 1974) straight white grognards get really tired of being blamed for the actions of younger (under 60, i.e. not old) white non-grognards that are the ones doing the stuff that we are being blamed for. You want to find people who do the things you point out, if you are looking at people like me, you are looking in the wrong place.

    • @The_Custos
      @The_Custos 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's okay to be a white grognard.

  • @jrients
    @jrients 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Hooting and hollering kids in the park are the sensational new character finds of 2024.

    • @JimLotFP
      @JimLotFP 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I've never been to that park during a weekday, so I didn't know the building behind it was a kindergarten. And I'd already lugged my camera out there, so...

    • @jrients
      @jrients 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JimLotFP "All points bulletin for American pervert filming kindergarten."

  • @CheezMonsterCrazy
    @CheezMonsterCrazy 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    It all boils down to the fact that no one should care how other people are playing TTRPGs at their own tables. Doesn't matter what system you're using, or what supplements. How easy or difficult the game is. How idyllic or brutal the imaginary world you play in is. So long as everyone you're playing with is having a good time. It's like judging someone for playing The Game of Life instead of Monopoly. Or spending their time playing Halo instead of Call of Duty. Or DOTA vs. LoL. MTG vs. Yu-Gi-Oh.
    I love OSR games, and I collect them. I hardly ever play them, because my friends prefer to play newer games most of the time. And that's perfectly fine with me, because what game I play isn't my identity. I'm just playing pretend with friends.

    • @gommechops
      @gommechops 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I think this is a great attitude, I don't even know that the OSR has a bad reputation either. There may be some involved in it who are this or that but I don't see it defined as a whole by a few people complaining about something here or there. It's so creative and that's what draws people to it more often than not.
      I do think though, all gaming is suffering a little from something along the lines of one person starts an argument, then blames someone else who may not even be involved but who eventually, inevitably pushes back and before you know it there's a raucous background noise drowning out what gaming is actually about, as more and more people get sucked in to an argument and try to defend their positions against external attack. That and the fact there are always in life, clipboard wielding types who want to control things and set people against each other in order to do so. None of these things have anything to do with gaming or the OSR and the creative process.

  • @Akinohotarubi
    @Akinohotarubi 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    That ending was deserving of a mic drop, I love it.
    I think that a lot of people are going to refer to this video in the future, there's a lot of good facts here.

  • @grimmpickins2559
    @grimmpickins2559 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I was in the OSR when it was born, thanks to Dragonsfoot. I've been in your corner since you haunted the halls of ODD74 and their little indie rag...
    And, this, and this specifically, is the best damned explanation of the OSR I have seen.
    It is shame that some folks are too proud of themselves to accept this.
    Sharing.

  • @bearnaff9387
    @bearnaff9387 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    The "This time I WILL tell them to go fuck themselves" arc has turned out a lot more genteel than I expected.

  • @EpicSolo
    @EpicSolo 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "All of this is not a problem to be solved, just a reality to be acknowledged." I appreciate your continued efforts in exploring the myriad shades of grey that exist in the maya of dichotomous, black & white, thinking. Thank You for consistently sharing the discomfort of critical thinking, synthesizing, and articulating it in a clear, concise, and artistic medium.

  • @AdeBarrett
    @AdeBarrett 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent vid ! Really enjoy hearing your take on the scene as it stands.

  • @ClownKenny
    @ClownKenny 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Almost 20 minutes and I have no idea what this video is supposed to be about. It sounds like it's a response to something I haven't seen or heard.

  • @ravenwulfgar
    @ravenwulfgar 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dude, this just popped up in my feed and I can't believe I missed this one.
    I can definitely see the Contrarian, Nostalgian and Preferrer elements on this end. I came up on AD&D 2E and loved it. Played some 3.5 and it grew on me. I gave it a try and did genuinely enjoy it as the first several sessions were behind me. Thanks to the OSR, I got the answer to a lifelong question "I wonder what First Edition was like?" and then I got peeks into earlier versions and the reason I have so many OSR games (Yours absolutely fucking included) is because I love seeing these takes on the old school rules sets and, every retroclone out there has effectively preserved the history and legacy of the game that it's cloning. Bear that in mind.
    Also one of the best parts of the OSR is, if your favorite clone undergoes a new "edition" and you don't want to change? The older editions are preserved. Each person there decides their level of involvement and the fundamental alterations some groups seek will merely fall on deaf ears. If one of your favorite retroclones decides to pander to one group or another, you can simply find another, stick with the previous editions or write your very own and market it. So, I agree, 100%.

  • @markfaulkner8191
    @markfaulkner8191 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    That was perhaps the most mature and thoughtful video you have made yet.
    More outdoor vids! I never wanna see naked James Raggi on a green screen again.

    • @JimLotFP
      @JimLotFP 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Summer will arrive faster than you think and then disappointment will reign over you.

    • @VengerSatanis
      @VengerSatanis 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@JimLotFP "Excellent..."

  • @DiscoBarbarian
    @DiscoBarbarian 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    It's possible to multiclass here I feel.
    also if you don't like the fact that there are too many old white guys... tough shit.

  • @scoticvsgossage9378
    @scoticvsgossage9378 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Glad to see you’re doing well.

  • @amoswilson6905
    @amoswilson6905 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Sounds like my kids are in the background.....

  • @tedskullhammer
    @tedskullhammer 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I love OSR. Party due to nostalgia, partly due to my fondness for a challenge more than a single character's development over a long period of time (you die a lot more in OSR games), and partly due to my love for dungeon crawlers. I've been playing TTRPGs since I was a kid, and I've always loved the scene. Contrary to popular belief, every gamer that I ever knew was very inclusive - they wanted to be friends with everybody, and anybody willing to have a good time was welcome at their table. The problem was, gamers were typically social outcasts. This is no longer the case, but it certainly was in the 80s and even the 90s.
    What I don't appreciate about newer games aren't the games themselves nor their content, but rather, the attitude of younger players towards me. Lots of assumptions and stereotypes thrown at me by people who don't know a thing about me. So, I always end up going back to OSR. I believe that once gamers who preach open mindedness actually exhibit open mindedness, we'll all have a fantastic time together.

  • @michaelmullenfiddler
    @michaelmullenfiddler 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good little screed. And I liked the way you came around to that conclusion. Hear Hear!

  • @bhorrthunderhoof4925
    @bhorrthunderhoof4925 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well spoken, once again! 🍻

  • @primafacie5029
    @primafacie5029 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I’m in category 6. “Fuck WotC”. That said you’ve got too much clothes on for this setting compared to your previous sharings. That said I watch this rather than you on X etc because I enjoy you voicing directly.

  • @MrRourk
    @MrRourk 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    We did not get busted using AI Art Twice Now

  • @Demolitiondude
    @Demolitiondude 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    There's always some sort of bad element in any Fandom. This case it's the exception, not the rule. Not to mention that this was attempted before roughly three years ago-ish in 5th ed.

  • @cobinizer
    @cobinizer 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I must be a weirdo. I didn't like 2nd edition D&D. I preferred Palladium. But when 3.5 happened, it was like a revelation, Since 3,5 gets no love these days, I learned to use Mythic GME so I can gatekeep my hobby all by myself by locking my door. Why shouldn't anti-social misanthropes get to play as well?

  • @Motavian
    @Motavian 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    "Wimps and poseurs leave the hall"

    • @kontrarien5721
      @kontrarien5721 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Heavy metal! Or no metal at all!

  • @makkeiura8354
    @makkeiura8354 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Almost thought you were going to do a *mic drop* motion at the end. :)

  • @hallking7441
    @hallking7441 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The key to survival is the ability to adapt to change. A simple concept that even a guy standing in the snow wearing a furry hat should be able to understand.

  • @knghtbrd
    @knghtbrd 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've said a few times lately that my SECOND DM (don't ask about my first) had a policy I think I can articulate now better than he did then: If you sit down at our table to play, you will show basic respect to the other people at the table while you're here. If you can't do that, you're at the wrong table. If the table as a whole can't agree to do that, then he's at the wrong table.
    Didn't get it then-I was 10-some people left I thought would stay, and some stayed I didn't think would last ten minutes. I get it now and run my own table by his example.

    • @cmdreltonpoole6303
      @cmdreltonpoole6303 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What happened to your first DM?

  • @briansmaller7443
    @briansmaller7443 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I fall into all those categories in one way or another. Mostly 1 and 2 though.

  • @jameshalleluyah8133
    @jameshalleluyah8133 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A true Lamentations video. He casually reads while children are being consumed by vile eldritch horrors behind the camera.

    • @Lepidoptera666
      @Lepidoptera666 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You forgot James being naked. 😉

  • @worldbigfootcentral3933
    @worldbigfootcentral3933 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was there when the original D&D came out in the mid 70's. I agree with pretty much everything you said. Well done.

  • @mrksimka1159
    @mrksimka1159 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You know me as a person who is mix of Dabbler, Contrarian and Reactionary I actually agree with that take. Props to you. I still need to try LotFP someday my players can take it considering one of them admitted to liked much more "problematic" game without saying any names. :)

  • @vanishingtowerpress2786
    @vanishingtowerpress2786 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    But the youtube videos are my favorite?!!? Seriously, though, thank you for the personal discussion on this topic. I am happily cultivating my patch of "everything Fantasy Games Unlimited is OSR" with products aimed at supporting FGU's Space Opera. Your discussion reawakened images (and love) of late seventies-early eighties Heavy Metal magazine. I am literally a space farmer on the outer fringes of imaginative universes, and every once in a while a light will blaze across the sky as a far traveller lands and bargains for my wares. A straight up comic panel drawn up by Moebius.

  • @kredonystus7768
    @kredonystus7768 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dude, this shot makes me want to move to Scandinavia as well.

  • @SpaghettiWst
    @SpaghettiWst 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi James, Have you consider collect the script for this video in essays?

  • @goodfellow9607
    @goodfellow9607 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    5:45 Good to hear Sam Kinison finally reincarnated.

  • @Minodrec
    @Minodrec 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That was great !

  • @cmdreltonpoole6303
    @cmdreltonpoole6303 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Type 5 standing by

  • @jeremystyles6290
    @jeremystyles6290 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Totally agree - helping the algorithm!

  • @sizzaxe
    @sizzaxe 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well said. Nostalgist here and it seems like your spot on.

  • @1005corvuscorax
    @1005corvuscorax 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Maybe I missed it, but did you give specific examples of those points of view that you talk about in large generalities?
    Getting down to brass tacks, are there specific Ytube videos, blogs, podcasts, etc that actually contribute to the "bad reputation" of the Old School Renaissance. How many channels, blogs, podcasts, etc actually talk garbage about the OSR, thus contributing to it's so-called "bad reputation"?
    I love the OSR and the newer game systems as well.
    But where is this "bad reputation" thing coming from? I've seen nothing but embracing of it, even among those who don't play OSR. The consensus I've seen, so far, is "New stuff is great, old stuff is great as well, use what makes you happy".
    If (and I mean IF), there are some people out there giving (or trying to give) OSR a bad reputation, they are the screaming minority.
    Again, actual links to such sources (that are ACTUALLY trying to give OSR a bad rep), instead of vague generalities, is greatly appreciated.

  • @JasenJohns
    @JasenJohns 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Dabblers, Genuine Preference, Nostalgics, Reactionaries, and Contrarians are five pretty good OSR player/runner types. Utlimately, these games are only as good as the people who play'em.

  • @Jimalcoatl
    @Jimalcoatl 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The OSR in some ways is very similar to the Open Source Software community. No one is in charge and what works or meets people's needs/desires becomes popular organically.
    This of course means people of radically different ideologies and temperments may find themselves interacting with each other through the internet, which will inevitably lead to toxicity. People need to learn to identify toxic social encounters and de-escalate situations themselves because there is not, and should not be, any central authority that's gonna tell you how to be a good boy or girl.

  • @joecoo4615
    @joecoo4615 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Have no idea where to sit.
    Was born in 1979
    Love gaming love stuff that's different
    reactioniary yes..
    Hetro white male.
    Love independent publishing.
    Have strong political opinions.
    Got a bad rep.
    Proud to be problematic.

  • @AnonAdderlan
    @AnonAdderlan 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Almost like it isn't a community at all, but just a market of folks who just like OSR games.

  • @johnheaton2545
    @johnheaton2545 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    dude I think those kids are trolling you... they're louder than you are 😀

  • @PowerWordThrill
    @PowerWordThrill 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    🤔 contrarian checking in. Concur with delivery.

  • @elizabethlestrad5282
    @elizabethlestrad5282 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great analysis. Its unfortunate though that these sorts of videos are almost required these days due to the various ravings of a vocal minority (specifically the people who are profiting/taking advantage of the current climate by deliberately stirring the pot).

  • @grailcountry
    @grailcountry 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I have a channel that's dedicated to Christian Esotericism and fringe theology, but I also dabble in gaming content. (I have interviews with Alexander Macris, the RPG Pundit, and Greg Gillespie on my channel). If you would like to come on and talk about the link between OSR and the rejection of Modernity and (which is why the reactionaries come), that's right in my wheelhouse. One of the players in my AD&D game keeps saying you should be my next guest on the gaming side, now I see why. Good stuff.

  • @BudsRPGreview
    @BudsRPGreview 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    LOTFP follows literally ZERO people on Twitter. You want engagement, you've got to engage back.

    • @Zotob1975
      @Zotob1975 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      LotFP doesn't give a shit and I love it for that

    • @BudsRPGreview
      @BudsRPGreview 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@Zotob1975 They put in the description "You realize that if you people engaged with my other platforms I wouldn't have to read essays to you on TH-cam." They clearly DO.

    • @markfaulkner8191
      @markfaulkner8191 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Fuck Twitter.

  • @Alche_mist
    @Alche_mist 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As most of the times with TTRPGs (and most of the rest of the life as well), the solution is to defer to Rule Minus One (because Rule Zero is about the malleability of the other rules). "Players, including DMs/GMs/Storytellers, and the rest of the people in the space: Don't be assholes." Duh.
    Asshole characters can be fun when played well. Asshole players never are.

  • @The_Custos
    @The_Custos 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Run two AD&D 1st ed games. Mix of a few types, definitely reactionary, but did like reading and running the newer Goblin Slayer trpg (violence, difficulty, the fatigue system, and hot female characters was a nice change from ESG wokeness).
    Noticed not all my players have my views, but that's fine *because I slipped right in*

  • @vidgrip8622
    @vidgrip8622 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Every bit of this is true. Keep up the good fight and thanks for leaving your shirt on.

  • @VengerSatanis
    @VengerSatanis 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Agreed, hoss. *CHA'ALT*

  • @Antdevamp
    @Antdevamp 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Let me say simply I like 'The Goblin Slayer RPG'. That's what I want.

    • @The_Custos
      @The_Custos 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Awww yeah, brother. It's good!

  • @Lepidoptera666
    @Lepidoptera666 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    3:13 No, not played as a kid, and the OSR is as big a group of trash and Justin LaNasa trying to steal valor from older editions of DND, by making fake versions of DND, filled with Hasbro mechanics of modern games. Who wants that trash?
    OSR wants people to buy their products, not real DND, thinking they will hurt Hasbro. Most are crap designers making crappy clones.
    Buy the original games where available and *F* the OSR.
    Reject modernity, embrace tradition.

  • @galinor7
    @galinor7 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    OSR doesn't have a bad reputation. The RPG community, of which, more than half, don't even play roleplaying games, but are WOKE hard Hard left politically. They are intolerant to other ideas and dislike older more traditional people who know that there are just two genders. They say, they are bad people because they are straight, white and probably males As if being straight was wrong. We are all people and all human. The left class all things, even reasonably left wing ideas as being hard right. The woke modern RPG community has a pretty bad reputation for being woke Lefties, too. So we have two extremes.
    D&D 5th isn't even a mythology game. It is a superhero game were people have special powers. I just can't stand super duper hero tropes. I don't care what people think and believe, as long as they keep it to them selves. Live and let live, I say. And I don't play much OSR anyway.

    • @The_Custos
      @The_Custos 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, consider the old dms being called fascist, but the woke never say what type of fascist. The attempted tarring and feathering of the originators is obvious.

  • @Lepidoptera666
    @Lepidoptera666 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You "other platforms" Facebook, Instagram, etc are woke trash nobody wants to use.
    You have to read essays on TH-cam because everyone uses it, not Twitter.
    And some like your voice. You and Grim should just do an audiobook together on OF. 😜

  • @TwilightxKnight13
    @TwilightxKnight13 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is easily one of the worst channels with respect to production value I have ever seen

    • @JimLotFP
      @JimLotFP 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      This channel is better than any that use jump cuts in the videos.

    • @mollylong3571
      @mollylong3571 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Did the ghost girl get you

  • @TheJohnnyNormal
    @TheJohnnyNormal 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    “The key of joy is disobedience.”

  • @bossbullyboy195
    @bossbullyboy195 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I say we empower the True Reactionaries to hold the gates