It's incredible how you sing the praises of the trailer manufacturer for their design, engineering and quality, but reject their experience regarding the very issues you are now having to deal with. At least you admit that over building isn't always the best thing to do in every circumstance.
Agreed, and we can like his content but not agree with all of his choices. Longer ramps would fix this issue. He bought the trailer for convenience but some of his choices seem counterintuitive to the purpose he stated he bought the trailer for.
Had a similar issue. Need to raise the ramp where it meets the ground. I bolted a 4x4 across the bottom edge. Gave me clearance at the ramp/trailer bed junction. I also bolted a trailer jack to the back corner of my trailer so I can load/unload my mower without it needing to be hitched up. Prevents the front from flipping up.
Yeah in those cases I’ve always just jacked up the front of the trailer to turn it into a sort of tilt deck. Keep it hitched up and just crank away, or back the truck onto a set of ramps to lift the tongue up.
Glad I watch most of the video until commenting. I was going to say race ramps. They make them in alot of different lengths and are used all the time in the car world.
I wonder if adding 3rd fold out for the back would work? That way you could use it with the 2 fold outs most of the time, but if you need it you have the 3rd fold out. Then you don't have to worry about carrying something separate.
Also look at how Caroll Shelby raised his race cars in the pits way back in the day. Levers and mechanical advantage. Put the load on the gate, then use the lever to raise the back end of the gate. Store the lever on the ramp.
Hey JD, when you talked about raising the front of the trailer, when it is hitched to the truck, you could do one of 2 things. 1) When the trailer is locked on the hitch, you can still use your tongue jack to raise the front of the trailer, and it will not go anywhere. I do this when it have to put my weight distribution bars on my toyhauler. Just put a block under the foot, and up you go. 2) I have seen guys at the racetrack use ramps under the back wheels of the tow vehicle to unload dragsters. To me, #1 is the easiest and fastest. Hope this helps.And, Happy Belated Father's Day.
@@JCLawn51 don’t those braces fold up if needed for transport etc? I’d think their use would be optional. Nice to have if loading heavy equipment on an unhitched trailer but I’d think it can be moved to not inhibit the OPs suggested technique.
Did you explore the option of getting a drop axel? You can still get 8k axels and tires but they drop the axel typically 4" from the center of the hub and lower the frame closer to the ground.
Another option is to shorted the chains that hold the deck. That will give you more clearance. It will not effect you cutting height because that’s controlled by the rear rollers and their setting.
How about filling the spaces between the lift springs & frame sections with some nylon rollers that are say ¼ inch diameter larger than the OD of the springs?
The race ramps are a great idea, but pricey for what they are. For those so inclined, they can be fashioned from wood for a little elbow grease and way less money.
I got a 50” toro time cutter and a karavan trailer. They made the ramp so short. And it doesn’t help the toros deck is known for not going up very high. What I do is put wood under the ramp to make it a less steep angle, I also am going to get a higher hitch on my truck so my trailer will be angled back. Single axle so it’s ok. Just saw the “race ramps” I feel like a genius. I was planning on building ramps the same exact shape out of wood.
As a professional I would add to the existing ramp. Also when running hydrostatic tractors, zero turns the throttle should be 3/4 to max throttle speed if you don't you will damaged the hydrostatic pumps.
Your correct Mike Jones,and the pumps arent cheap either,I know how to rebuild the pumps/transmissions and also save myself alot of money by rebuilding all my spindles too.
I back up a 54"John Deere commercial ZTR in to a 2020 Chevy 2500hd. I use 8' foot folding ramps with a slight arch on the end that attaches to the taik gate. It is quicker and easier than loading on my 20' flatbed trailer.
Ok if your mower deck is hitting going up the trailer here is how to fix it you take and turn the shackle straps up towards the bottom of the trailer that will lower the trailer if you want the trailer raised up you take the shackle straps and turn them down towards the ground that will raise it up
Reminds me of my car I had a long time ago ended up getting rhino ramps usualy used for oil changes and backed the dually tires up lifting back of truck tilting the trailer
I love this guys content, but this is crazy. If I had to lay out those ramps at every cutting job i was doing, I would be rid of that trailer after two weeks. This race ramp solution is no more practical than the box framing you were using. I must have missed why the dove tail was forgone or you did not mention it. Personally, I would take that trailer back to the manufacturer and have them make the 5 foot folding ramp a 7 foot folding ramp. To anyone who says "a 7 foot ramp will be too long and eat up working space at a tight job" so what? This issue was created by the design of the trailer. The trailer looks nice but for me this solution would not be practical. I suppose if you are happy with it that's all that matters...
Whoa you said job, this guy's loaded he doesn't job he hobbies he's got time to play with $500 foam ramps, probably pushed close to $20K on the trailer build and has to get a CDL now to pull it, I mean who has an electric jack and 2 batteries on a 14ft utility trailer?
I was hoping you would try putting the ramps down on the tallest part of those race ramps. I think you said your wheels could step over that 1 1/2 lip.
The deck seems high for no reason, on all our HD landscape trailers the whole fender can put u see the side rain and the deck is around 4 inches lower just my 2 cents frame seems built up for no reason as well. I don’t see why the deck starts 6 inches over the bottom of the frame.
Just before you showed the race ramps i was sitting here thinking "he needs race ramps". This situation is one reason why most lawncare companies around me run around with trailers with a gwr of like 4 maybe 5k lbs. As a dedicated mowing trailer they dont need that much capacity. Most are pulling one maybe two zero turns at most and then a couple string trimmers, leaf blowers and that sort of thing. Also here in Illinois license plate stickers for trailers are ridiculous. The lighter the trailer gwr the cheaper the sticker. If you can get away with a TA trailer which i believe is a 3k gvw then i think you can pay a 1 time fee of like $120 and get a permanent sticker. My 10k gwr enclosed trailer is a $250 license sticker now and that has to be renewed yearly. Now if you're needing a multipurpose trailer that can handle a variety of rolls then the higher weight capacity is beneficial.
Race ramps are nice and all. If I was building that trailer I would’ve had the rear stabilizer legs put on the rear sides of the trailer on the corners this way all the weight being placed on the rear of the trailer would be stabilized on the trailer frame and not the ramps because not all places where one loads up at is level as the way those on the ramps are designed for. But I myself would’ve not went with a 14ft trailer built that heavy duty
I have the same trailer…. Shit pisses me off…. Engineers really need to figure this put. Spent $6500 on my trailer and having to modify it for use is ridiculous
Jack up the front to level all that out... Duh.. You must be new, heres another tip... place blocks under it to get it higher if needed.... your welcome...
Not sure why you would make a video of poor planning, solved by a solution you would normally have to use with a trailer you didn't have the ability to pre- plan or could not afford to just buy a second trailer to accomodate the Z turn. Maybe I missed the primary use of this trailer in the video. Beautiful trailer & z turn...
It's incredible how you sing the praises of the trailer manufacturer for their design, engineering and quality, but reject their experience regarding the very issues you are now having to deal with. At least you admit that over building isn't always the best thing to do in every circumstance.
Agreed, and we can like his content but not agree with all of his choices. Longer ramps would fix this issue. He bought the trailer for convenience but some of his choices seem counterintuitive to the purpose he stated he bought the trailer for.
For God Sake. We get it. You know a lot about axles and suspension. Now, can you get to the damn point. So many people like this on the trades
Had a similar issue. Need to raise the ramp where it meets the ground. I bolted a 4x4 across the bottom edge. Gave me clearance at the ramp/trailer bed junction. I also bolted a trailer jack to the back corner of my trailer so I can load/unload my mower without it needing to be hitched up. Prevents the front from flipping up.
Yeah in those cases I’ve always just jacked up the front of the trailer to turn it into a sort of tilt deck. Keep it hitched up and just crank away, or back the truck onto a set of ramps to lift the tongue up.
Ur over gadgetizing has you in an expensive pickle eh!
I would say back it in. We had the same issue, and just started to back it in.
You can also back the back of the trailer into a low spit or ditch to load and unload mower n stuff .
I’m thinking U need to back it in
Raising the front end up while loading?
Glad I watch most of the video until commenting. I was going to say race ramps. They make them in alot of different lengths and are used all the time in the car world.
I wonder if adding 3rd fold out for the back would work? That way you could use it with the 2 fold outs most of the time, but if you need it you have the 3rd fold out. Then you don't have to worry about carrying something separate.
Nice race ramps,they do a good job. Shout out to Mark, great job!
if you could somehow lock the casters in the forward direction while backing out, that would keep the clearance you had while loading.
I saw that problem from the moment he got it for a zero turn
I'm surprised your mower deck doesn't go higher. My Bad Boy wouldn't have that problem.
Also look at how Caroll Shelby raised his race cars in the pits way back in the day. Levers and mechanical advantage. Put the load on the gate, then use the lever to raise the back end of the gate. Store the lever on the ramp.
Nice video! Glad to know those products exist my Scag sometimes hits loading onto my trailer.
So what good is that trailer then? If you are parked on a slight hill or uneven ground those ramps still won’t be enough. If your tires are wet too...
Hey JD, when you talked about raising the front of the trailer, when it is hitched to the truck, you could do one of 2 things. 1) When the trailer is locked on the hitch, you can still use your tongue jack to raise the front of the trailer, and it will not go anywhere. I do this when it have to put my weight distribution bars on my toyhauler. Just put a block under the foot, and up you go. 2) I have seen guys at the racetrack use ramps under the back wheels of the tow vehicle to unload dragsters. To me, #1 is the easiest and fastest. Hope this helps.And, Happy Belated Father's Day.
He can't because he has braces on the gate to keep the trailer from tipping up.
@@JCLawn51 don’t those braces fold up if needed for transport etc? I’d think their use would be optional. Nice to have if loading heavy equipment on an unhitched trailer but I’d think it can be moved to not inhibit the OPs suggested technique.
Did you explore the option of getting a drop axel? You can still get 8k axels and tires but they drop the axel typically 4" from the center of the hub and lower the frame closer to the ground.
The difference in backing down is due to the center of the front wheels being about 6" to 8" further from the back wheel center.
Another option is to shorted the chains that hold the deck. That will give you more clearance. It will not effect you cutting height because that’s controlled by the rear rollers and their setting.
When you need a trailer for 5k pounds and buy one for 16k pounds……
How about filling the spaces between the lift springs & frame sections with some nylon rollers that are say ¼ inch diameter larger than the OD of the springs?
should have put a 18" dove on it
Raise the deck, Raise the hitch, back it in or park on a hill so the ramp is more level. I have the same issues with my trailer
The race ramps are a great idea, but pricey for what they are. For those so inclined, they can be fashioned from wood for a little elbow grease and way less money.
Dove tail fixes this.
I got a 50” toro time cutter and a karavan trailer. They made the ramp so short. And it doesn’t help the toros deck is known for not going up very high. What I do is put wood under the ramp to make it a less steep angle, I also am going to get a higher hitch on my truck so my trailer will be angled back. Single axle so it’s ok.
Just saw the “race ramps” I feel like a genius. I was planning on building ramps the same exact shape out of wood.
As a professional I would add to the existing ramp. Also when running hydrostatic tractors, zero turns the throttle should be 3/4 to max throttle speed if you don't you will damaged the hydrostatic pumps.
Your correct Mike Jones,and the pumps arent cheap either,I know how to rebuild the pumps/transmissions and also save myself alot of money by rebuilding all my spindles too.
I back up a 54"John Deere commercial ZTR in to a 2020 Chevy 2500hd. I use 8' foot folding ramps with a slight arch on the end that attaches to the taik gate. It is quicker and easier than loading on my 20' flatbed trailer.
Great demonstration.
Good gravy man! Just buy normal a normal trailer that’s made for your mowers. You remind me of Tim “tool man” Taylor. More power! Ah hahaha.
Ok if your mower deck is hitting going up the trailer here is how to fix it you take and turn the shackle straps up towards the bottom of the trailer that will lower the trailer if you want the trailer raised up you take the shackle straps and turn them down towards the ground that will raise it up
Reminds me of my car I had a long time ago ended up getting rhino ramps usualy used for oil changes and backed the dually tires up lifting back of truck tilting the trailer
if you were getting the trailer for a zero turn why did you need the 8k axles?
I love this guys content, but this is crazy. If I had to lay out those ramps at every cutting job i was doing, I would be rid of that trailer after two weeks. This race ramp solution is no more practical than the box framing you were using. I must have missed why the dove tail was forgone or you did not mention it. Personally, I would take that trailer back to the manufacturer and have them make the 5 foot folding ramp a 7 foot folding ramp. To anyone who says "a 7 foot ramp will be too long and eat up working space at a tight job" so what? This issue was created by the design of the trailer. The trailer looks nice but for me this solution would not be practical. I suppose if you are happy with it that's all that matters...
Whoa you said job, this guy's loaded he doesn't job he hobbies he's got time to play with $500 foam ramps, probably pushed close to $20K on the trailer build and has to get a CDL now to pull it, I mean who has an electric jack and 2 batteries on a 14ft utility trailer?
@@hellephant4268 I think you took offense to my opinion? Tough.
His current solution isn't better than a 7ft ramp. He elected not to get a dovetail because he wanted to load 2 mowers at once.
Awesome, look that setup.
I was hoping you would try putting the ramps down on the tallest part of those race ramps. I think you said your wheels could step over that 1 1/2 lip.
I do lawn maintenance for a living. I can tell you to solve your problem drive the mower up at an angle.
The deck seems high for no reason, on all our HD landscape trailers the whole fender can put u see the side rain and the deck is around 4 inches lower just my 2 cents frame seems built up for no reason as well. I don’t see why the deck starts 6 inches over the bottom of the frame.
He had it built with 8" C-channel or I-beam frame so deck is 4in to 5in higher than normal people
Just before you showed the race ramps i was sitting here thinking "he needs race ramps". This situation is one reason why most lawncare companies around me run around with trailers with a gwr of like 4 maybe 5k lbs. As a dedicated mowing trailer they dont need that much capacity. Most are pulling one maybe two zero turns at most and then a couple string trimmers, leaf blowers and that sort of thing. Also here in Illinois license plate stickers for trailers are ridiculous. The lighter the trailer gwr the cheaper the sticker. If you can get away with a TA trailer which i believe is a 3k gvw then i think you can pay a 1 time fee of like $120 and get a permanent sticker. My 10k gwr enclosed trailer is a $250 license sticker now and that has to be renewed yearly. Now if you're needing a multipurpose trailer that can handle a variety of rolls then the higher weight capacity is beneficial.
rounded ramps are the solution for this. love my rounded ramps.
I call it angle of attack. May need air suspension. Ya. Those ramps are good.
I think you should have mentioned in the narration the excellent Chewbacca impression your mower does......
I was told always back up the trailer
Put some 2x6's under the ramp, drive onto the 2x6 then onto the ramp
Race ramps are nice and all. If I was building that trailer I would’ve had the rear stabilizer legs put on the rear sides of the trailer on the corners this way all the weight being placed on the rear of the trailer would be stabilized on the trailer frame and not the ramps because not all places where one loads up at is level as the way those on the ramps are designed for. But I myself would’ve not went with a 14ft trailer built that heavy duty
what's your opinion on a Kubota 42 zero turn?
Can you get a taller race ramp? Just to give you more space, less concern.
Put a 3/4 in ply wood under the ramps to give ya that extra room for the break angle
Put a 4x4 under the new ramps right below the tailgate
Not going to use ramps for my tail gate ramp.
A longer ramp would be better if you order another trailer.
I have the same trailer…. Shit pisses me off…. Engineers really need to figure this put. Spent $6500 on my trailer and having to modify it for use is ridiculous
Lift yer deck up on the zero turn and lock it.
Will those ramps fit in your side box?
No
You should have gotten a trailer with a dovetail best desicion I ever made
Maybe bolt a 2”x6” board on ramp
That’s a lot of talk from someone who can’t figure out how to load a mower on a trailer. Hope you figured it out I couldn’t get to the end 🤦♂️
Just making the ramps a foot or so longer mite cure the problem!
Them race ramps are very expensive!!! Even with price of lumber, you could of built the same thing with some 2x12s!!!!
Weld 2 extenders on the ramp
I would just add about a foot-and-a-half of length to your ramps and not have to carry that other stuff around
Jack up the front to level all that out... Duh.. You must be new, heres another tip... place blocks under it to get it higher if needed....
your welcome...
Another option would of been a winch And to winch it up backwards
I definitely would have went with dovetail...
You messed up. You are not going to put down those black ramps every time.
Could have dropped your scalping wheels on your deck too
Way overkill for that little trailer
Solution: wheelie bars on the zero turn
Only $400 for the ramps 😭
I just ride mine up at an angle.
Too bad you couldn't have gotten curved loading ramps
.Bi fold ramps
$360 is comical…..
Not sure why you would make a video of poor planning, solved by a solution you would normally have to use with a trailer you didn't have the ability to pre- plan or could not afford to just buy a second trailer to accomodate the Z turn.
Maybe I missed the primary use of this trailer in the video.
Beautiful trailer & z turn...
Add 16 inches to your gate and put on springs to assist in lowering and raising the gate. You didn't do your homework, sorry.
Change title of video to "Rich People's Problems"
DOVETAIL it....
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You talk too much
Yeah, I do.
It is amazing the problems you complain about. Adapt ,overcome, move on . Wow. Not good content. I’m unsubscribed
Use the jack on the front of the trailer,,crank it up an inch or so.