The 2004 NBA draft was a great draft year for defensive players. Dwight Howard Emeka Okafor Andre Igoudala Josh Smith Loul Deng Tony Allen Trevor Ariza
He’s 2nd best in this draft class imo. I don’t think Livingston gets enough credit either. 5 straight finals as the back-up PG of one of the best teams of all-time.
Flying V In my opinion he needs to be mentioned in the same realm as Ron Harper. Livingston was never a franchise player, but he showed great scoring promise before his injury. Where Ron Harper sacrificed his personal accolades, Sean Livingston sacrificed his body and his health to come back where a lot of players would’ve seen that as a career ending injury.
He torched Ray Allen. He was hitting contested shots nothing but net not saying a word. Both players are from Uconn and alumni just like to battle each other
Man I think about Jameer Nelson and Delonte West. That 2004 St. Joseph's squad was amazing. And was a single shot away from getting to the Final Four that year.
Remember when Andy hoops had 30k subs now he had 315k subs shows that hard work pays off this man one the most consistent youtubers (dwight is a first ballot hall of famer)
Emeka Okafor: the greatest what-ifs within the class alongside Shaun Livingston. Man, I remember that Okafor in the old NBA Live series, he seems to be a reliable youngster if you didn't get Dwight.
Beasts he said he still had to go to all the practices and do the team things, had to do the same work everyone else did and had to come sit on the bench when they had games
El-ahrairah charlie didnt want no part of the paint LOL. Tall as hell and only wanted to shoot threes. Would be perfect center for the current era though funny enough
I feel this was one of the most talented high school classes of all time. But, they went straight to the NBA so the jump may have been a little too much. Dwight of course is the exception, I wanted to see Livingston at Duke, Telfair dominate College as a PG, Josh Smith etc. Again I don't blame them for taking the money out of high school.
Anthony Hutchins the more people he named off I was like umm this draft was actually really solid good role players good starters for years I think he just needed an idea for a video
@Billboardguy1 true. But not every class can be special. What stands out is this class had longevity and great role players. Some of them are still valuable and key players to teams for a long time. Some still to this day
Top 10!? You're insane. I'll give you the HOF because I think that 5 year run he had is some of the most impressive defensive work I've ever seen but he is not up there with those guys...
It's not all his fault. It's easy to forget just how young most of these TH-cam creators really are. In 2004 we were watching the draft at the bar. These guys were watching the draft from their race car beds and in the third grade. So if they don't remember these guys early on or in college, it's hard to get the real story from box scores. Just like I missed the 1980's NBA because I was in grade school.
Okafor had a solid career. Unfortunately, the ceiling is low for players going into the draft being tagged as "the most nba ready". This usually means they are at their peak already.
@@jesserice7777 whether he was serious or not is irrelevant. His resume speaks for itself. yet people peg him as someone who doesnt deserve to be remembered because of personal feelings. Personal feelings shouldn't cloud a fans judgement on a players career.
Can't forget Ben Gordon he is the only rookie to win 6th man of the year and was the 4th qter go to guy for the Bulls.. and that playoff vs Boston he was on one
The Nets were perennial contenders when Kidd was on the team, Harris meanwhile *never* led the Nets to the playoffs. Kidd would also be key in finally getting Dallas a championship. I remember when the trade went down, most Mavs fans and Dallas media were unhappy with the trade, but I knew pairing him with Dirk would lead to a ring.
@JAY DOE Almost all those guys are 20 years older then Dwight. Are you serious???? Stick man Mutambo over Dwight?? Only few that would give Dwight problems is Shaq and Hakeem. The other centers are to weak and slow.
Back 2004 when nba is worth watching.. Every team has at least one superstar.. And me playing playstation.. I pick every star in the team to join my created team. That is my happiness on that time
Shuan Livingston....that dude is the man....love his game. Such a high release.....he was money Him and Iggy....my two favorite Warriors. I also loved watching Mo buckets
Dwight gets underrated because of the off court stuff. He's a top-ten center of all time imo and easy hall of Famer. And before anyone gives me shit for the top ten thing, he's a 3-time DPOY and a 5-time nba rebounding leader.
This class got killed because of advanced stats. Guys such as josh smith, Kevin martin, Tony Allen beno udrih and jr smith all had important roles in their teams but because they weren't efficient scorers(yes i know Allen was defensive stopper and hadnt had big role on offense) nobody execpt dwight and iggy is not in the league anymore from this class. I wish Tony Allen and Kevin martin are still in the league, they would be the perfect fit for today's NBA
Jameer Nelson's 2003-04 season at St. Joesph was legendary. Any of you guys who were too young to see that look it up. He was one missed three pointer at the buzzer from getting to the Final Four. Actually his response to that miss is something I'll never forget. He wasn't a bitch like say, Adam Morrison. Just the heartbreak was something you could feel through the screen.
Jameer Nelson was a decent player! He was national player of the year in college and a senior coming out! His game was together! He actually had one of his better seasons when Dwight Howard was gone (2012/13). After he left Orlando, he was a bench/veteran role player so that’s why his numbers went down.
Tony Allen was a super athletic scorer before he tore his acl, after that is when he became a defensive player. He had like 5 straight 20+ point games before the day of the injury
Iguodala was a beast back then. Explosive player, very fun to watch. He was often regarded as a poor man's version of LeBron James. Of course injuries happened and he was never the same.
This is actually a good draft. Not too many all-stars but a lot of starters and solid players that had long careers. I don't think we should just base it on all-stars.
Al Jefferson was the 2nd best in this class... He was underrated mostly because he was never in a winning team. He didn't have many fans due to his play style.
The disrespect to 00s kids, these guys made the 2010's nba so good on btv. I still remember everyone of them even the guy that for drafted by thunders.
Man my age is starting to show. I remember that Draft like it was yesterday's. Actually that Chicago draft class made me a Bulls fan. And I couldn't stand the Bulls of the 1990s.
Man Ben Gordon is so underrated in my opinion.... I mean I'm from Syracuse so I remember him from UConn during the Big East rivalry days and there's a reason he was drafted so high I can tell you that much, it was justified ... And even in the league he was a regular 20 - 25 a night scoring threat in his prime. That Bulls team probably wins at least one championship if not for LeBron going to Miami IMO
Can you do a video about Dwight. How was good was he in Orlando, how did he start decreasing, and reviving his career in LAL
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How was Dwight revived in LA? They signed on a day-to-day basis contract, meaning the Lakers had the right to cut him at any moment, for minimal money. Dwight needs something like that to keep him going or else he goes back to clown-mode.
I still find Devin Harris's NBA Career sad, he was really good when he was part of the Dallas Mavericks and New Jersey Nets. But after he got traded to Utah...he just began to fall off. After the 2018-19 season...he hasn't returned from the league and is likely retired
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The 2004 NBA draft was a great draft year for defensive players.
Dwight Howard
Emeka Okafor
Andre Igoudala
Josh Smith
Loul Deng
Tony Allen
Trevor Ariza
That is a really good point...great defensive players
Honorable mention Shawn Livingston . Champions with GS with curry
@@enkhboldsanjid8088only cause of curry
that counts too. 👍🏻 nice you point that out
The “Flashes of Brilliance” draft class...
Nailed it!
Honestly though
Also the, stuck around in the league way longer than you realized class
At least Iguodala can say he won a finals mvp. That's something for sure.
He’s 2nd best in this draft class imo. I don’t think Livingston gets enough credit either. 5 straight finals as the back-up PG of one of the best teams of all-time.
Kneeco after returning from a catastrophic knee injury
Flying V Right. Not to mention he has one of the best comeback stories in the NBA as he also had the worst injury of all-time in the NBA.
Flying V In my opinion he needs to be mentioned in the same realm as Ron Harper. Livingston was never a franchise player, but he showed great scoring promise before his injury. Where Ron Harper sacrificed his personal accolades, Sean Livingston sacrificed his body and his health to come back where a lot of players would’ve seen that as a career ending injury.
Curry deserved that FMVP but oh well 🤷
When I was younger I deadass use to confuse josh Childress and Shaun Livingston
me too 🤣
They look exactly the same. They have to be next to each other to even notice a difference.
@MANCHESTER UNITED bruh man united hasn't been good since fifa 16
it's like ben wallace except two people 🤣🤣🤣
Deng will always be loved in Chicago for his time here. We might not've got a championship, but that era was fantastic.
who remembers when ben gordon turned into the black mamba vs the celtics in 2009
He torched Ray Allen. He was hitting contested shots nothing but net not saying a word. Both players are from Uconn and alumni just like to battle each other
🖐️
He was the 🐐
Yup but we still whooped them out of the playoffs!!!
Him and Rose were fire.
Viewer from Greece happy u mentioned Spanoulis..u are a legend!
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How could y’all forget about, mr 1st team all defense, Tony Allen
When talking about 2004, I am thinking about JR lol
@The stat Kid Thank you. I am an Andy Hoop's fan :D
Man I think about Jameer Nelson and Delonte West. That 2004 St. Joseph's squad was amazing. And was a single shot away from getting to the Final Four that year.
I think of Dwight Howard
Same
the henny god
Remember when Andy hoops had 30k subs now he had 315k subs shows that hard work pays off this man one the most consistent youtubers (dwight is a first ballot hall of famer)
(Not 1st ballot.)
Luol Deng, such an unfortunate end of his career... will always be one of my favorite players of all time
Unfortunate is a strong because he did finesse the Lakers outta millions of dollars whilst only playing 1 game for them 😂
@@mastermind2246 😂😂😂 I guess it depends on your point of view. If we are talking strictly money then it’s different💯
Mo williams was definitely not a non factor every where. His was fantastic in his season with Portland.
He got beatable in Milwaukee and was already a borderline all star before going to the Cavs that's why it was a big deal when he went
We loved him in cleveland
Then 9 points lol
According to Lebron fans, he was a scrub lmao.
@@MrZahsome he’s no scrub dude can light it up from downtown.
Emeka Okafor: the greatest what-ifs within the class alongside Shaun Livingston. Man, I remember that Okafor in the old NBA Live series, he seems to be a reliable youngster if you didn't get Dwight.
2009 really had Devin Harris, Jameer Nelson, and Mo Williams as all-stars
Stevie Buckets off year probably
Flying V you must have not watched that year
They were all great
Lawrence Cantiller yeah great because of lebron and Howard benefit them, except for Harris but that was just 1 season.
@@chrisdadrilla no they were integral pieces of their respective teams helping lead them to a great record.
@@chrisdadrilla well harris had Carter. Still quite good back then
8:45 That travel tho 😂
Howard did the cha-cha-cha on that one! 😂
Raymond Smith uh that’s not Dwight Howard
@@raymondsmith2040 its jefferson
Oh my bad. I just expected Howard to do something like that lol
Deng had the best contract possible with the Lakers by being the highest paid player chilling on the bench. He laughed all the way to a British bank.
Beasts he didn’t laugh at all.
Beasts he played one game and then sat
true
Beasts he said he still had to go to all the practices and do the team things, had to do the same work everyone else did and had to come sit on the bench when they had games
You kids don't know how good deng was in his prime
That Mr. Kardashian nickname is freaking hilarious!
I laughed so hard when he said it.
Fendi Sinatra if you mean micheal Jackson then maybe. But Jordan nope not even a doubt Jordan would win.
@@blaketaylor9850 Have you ever heard about sarcasm?
I'm surprised Josh Smith wasn't ever an all star at least once in ATL
This was the last time Uconn mens was dominant and had multiple players drafted
Livin_great 2019_IGaccount oh yeah, thats right. But they didnt win in 06 thats why i remered 04 more notably
El-ahrairah charlie didnt want no part of the paint LOL. Tall as hell and only wanted to shoot threes. Would be perfect center for the current era though funny enough
El-ahrairah i recall peja being listed at SG but i always picture him as a SF because of his frame. I feel like hed just be a stretch four today.
@El-ahrairah oh, i guess it was just nba2k that listed him as a SG then
They won the national championship in 2011 and 2014. Kemba Walker led the 2011 team and Shabazz Napier led the 2014 team.
I feel this was one of the most talented high school classes of all time. But, they went straight to the NBA so the jump may have been a little too much. Dwight of course is the exception, I wanted to see Livingston at Duke, Telfair dominate College as a PG, Josh Smith etc. Again I don't blame them for taking the money out of high school.
I'm surprised Josh Smith never made an all star game
Tyler Box me too
Hawk was easily overlooked in the East back then and if Hawks would have an All star, it'll be Iso Joe
Tyler Box bro I remember him on the older 2k games too...he basically can do everything
This wasn’t even that bad of a draft class
For real... People undervalue good role players.
Anthony Hutchins the more people he named off I was like umm this draft was actually really solid good role players good starters for years I think he just needed an idea for a video
@Billboardguy1 true. But not every class can be special. What stands out is this class had longevity and great role players. Some of them are still valuable and key players to teams for a long time. Some still to this day
I paused when the 2004 board came up so I could take a look and right away started noticing some pretty solid names.
slackerofhell great class of contributors. If every year was loaded with superstars, nba careers would only last about 6 years ahah
i dont care what anyone says dwight is walking into the hof with his eyes closed and a top 10 center all time
bob all he’s definitely a hof but not a top 10 center ever
Top 10!? You're insane. I'll give you the HOF because I think that 5 year run he had is some of the most impressive defensive work I've ever seen but he is not up there with those guys...
I would agree with a hof but top 10 c? Ok seriously that’s just dumb
Kareem
Shaq
Russell
Hakeem
Robinson
Ewing
Wilt
Moses Malone
Reed
Mikan
In no particular order
@@ajayp3172 what about Piss?
I only got into basketball a couple of years ago and been watching this channel since around a year ago and it’s been a huge help. I learned a lot
Me rn but its only been a few months
How good was Roy Hibbert the best rim protector in his prime.
Kawaii Unicorn his prime lasted about a month or so
@@jonglives lmao
I think that was serge iblocka's time
jonglives His prime actually lasted around 3 years, but I get the joke
“He looks worse than Kwame Brown...”
I love how you detail old history correctly good video andy
This draft is one of the most underrated drafts. Not many stars but a handful of solid starters and role players who played for a number of years
Big Al had one of the best post game i ever seen. Beautiful hook shots and shimmies. Missed him with my Celtics
yeahh
Im greek so im really proud to see Vassilis spanoulis getting recognized as one of the best euroleague players of all time
Omg this is actually a good draft.. come on man!!!
It's not all his fault. It's easy to forget just how young most of these TH-cam creators really are. In 2004 we were watching the draft at the bar. These guys were watching the draft from their race car beds and in the third grade. So if they don't remember these guys early on or in college, it's hard to get the real story from box scores. Just like I missed the 1980's NBA because I was in grade school.
@@jpmnky 😂 your comment is funny because 2004 is when I turned 21 and could actually go to bars.
Good job on this recap. Everything was on point.
The magic with Howard and Nelson was so underrated. Oh yeah I also guessed it was Nelson.
Same because I’m a magic fan
Great video again Andy,good job.
Deng was a monster at Chicago especially that 2007 playoffs
Hey bro your videos are very good i appreciate your work
Only like 2 or 3 In the first round of this draft class didn’t play as a starter in the league at some point , very deep first round
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"Cha cha real smooth" -Al Jefferson
This channel is like an NBA history channel. Not complaining though 😂😭🤞🏽
11:50 "JR could never maintain a high level of consistency"
hmm
Okafor's career ended when the Bobcats drafted him
Or trade to Hornets
Won rookie of the year at least lol
Okafor had a solid career. Unfortunately, the ceiling is low for players going into the draft being tagged as "the most nba ready". This usually means they are at their peak already.
The most disrespected hofer of all time. Dwight Howard.
Yes he is disrepected, 3x DPOY, 8ASm, 8ANBA and he don't get the respect he deserves
Kinda hard to justify him being disrespected when he chooses to be selective in getting serious instead of every time he's in the game.
@@jesserice7777 whether he was serious or not is irrelevant. His resume speaks for itself. yet people peg him as someone who doesnt deserve to be remembered because of personal feelings. Personal feelings shouldn't cloud a fans judgement on a players career.
Can't forget Ben Gordon he is the only rookie to win 6th man of the year and was the 4th qter go to guy for the Bulls.. and that playoff vs Boston he was on one
The Nets were perennial contenders when Kidd was on the team, Harris meanwhile *never* led the Nets to the playoffs. Kidd would also be key in finally getting Dallas a championship. I remember when the trade went down, most Mavs fans and Dallas media were unhappy with the trade, but I knew pairing him with Dirk would lead to a ring.
J smoove not getting an all star appearance is crazy to me, 2008-2011 was his prime
It’s Crazy Dwight carried the magic to the finals
Idc what anybody says Dwight is an all time great and will go down as a top 10 center of all time
@JAY DOE Almost all those guys are 20 years older then Dwight. Are you serious???? Stick man Mutambo over Dwight?? Only few that would give Dwight problems is Shaq and Hakeem. The other centers are to weak and slow.
7:52 "Surprise Surprise' That was rare man 😂
Back 2004 when nba is worth watching.. Every team has at least one superstar.. And me playing playstation.. I pick every star in the team to join my created team. That is my happiness on that time
Shuan Livingston....that dude is the man....love his game. Such a high release.....he was money
Him and Iggy....my two favorite Warriors.
I also loved watching Mo buckets
Yes, I remember finals mvp andre iguodala, and david west. Those two were beasts
David West is from the 2003 draft class but yeah they were beasts
Dwight gets underrated because of the off court stuff. He's a top-ten center of all time imo and easy hall of Famer. And before anyone gives me shit for the top ten thing, he's a 3-time DPOY and a 5-time nba rebounding leader.
Subscribed after watching a couple vids. Very interesting! Keep uploading! 🔥
“Do you remember anyone from that draft”..... Dwight, Iggy, JR....
8:45 the funniest travel I’ve ever seen😅
The Pistons won the 2004 NBA Championship. #DetroitBasketball!!!
J.R is underrated for his prime. Won 6th man borderline all-star in his prime
This class got killed because of advanced stats. Guys such as josh smith, Kevin martin, Tony Allen beno udrih and jr smith all had important roles in their teams but because they weren't efficient scorers(yes i know Allen was defensive stopper and hadnt had big role on offense) nobody execpt dwight and iggy is not in the league anymore from this class. I wish Tony Allen and Kevin martin are still in the league, they would be the perfect fit for today's NBA
Tony allen isn't that good of a defender anymore. Other than that, he's useless.
@El-ahrairah That was my point
NBA Live 2005, I'll always remember these rookies I've put so many hours into that game
Jameer Nelson's 2003-04 season at St. Joesph was legendary. Any of you guys who were too young to see that look it up. He was one missed three pointer at the buzzer from getting to the Final Four. Actually his response to that miss is something I'll never forget. He wasn't a bitch like say, Adam Morrison. Just the heartbreak was something you could feel through the screen.
Sometimes I wonder what would’ve happened if Ben Gordon had stayed with the bulls
Yeah Ben Gordan Was Nice His Shot Was Crazy On Live 06👌🏿👌🏿
Wouldn't work. His ego was so big that he didn't want to play alongside DRose.
He became greedy for money.
8:45 he travelled of course! Clear travelling bruh! HAHAHAHA!
Hi, I'm from the future. Dwight Howard finally got the ring he deserves
Can we talk about Al Jefferson's travel at 8:45
Ben Gordon was my favorite player.
Jameer Nelson was a decent player! He was national player of the year in college and a senior coming out! His game was together! He actually had one of his better seasons when Dwight Howard was gone (2012/13). After he left Orlando, he was a bench/veteran role player so that’s why his numbers went down.
Bulls fans have never forgotten Deng ✊🏻
Tony Allen was a super athletic scorer before he tore his acl, after that is when he became a defensive player. He had like 5 straight 20+ point games before the day of the injury
5 games above 20 points isnt make you an agressive scorer
Josh Smith was favorite player in his Atlanta days. Dude was a beast back then
Harris, Nelson and Williams also made the All-Star in the same year. It's cool that all these guys was mentioned in the same Andy's video.
The Forgotten FINALS is on 2003 Finalss itss veryyy on known
Beno Udrih was a great pickup for the Spurs at 28. He played well enough, and went on to sign a 5 year deal with the kings afterwards.
There was same damn solid players in this draft.
My face when I saw that Nelson almost made the 50-40-90 club 😯
8:46 count the steps
I missed this background music 😭😭 BSOLZ 2016-2017 background music
Humphries was drafted in '04? Always thought it was 08 😂
Iguodala was a beast back then. Explosive player, very fun to watch. He was often regarded as a poor man's version of LeBron James. Of course injuries happened and he was never the same.
Shocking Kevin Martin was never an allstar, averaged 24-25ppg for a handful of seasons.
What a great draft class from 1-30 only like 3 guys I’ve never heard of most of them had long solid careers
In 2K Al Jefferson and Devin Harris was really cooking us🤣🤣🤣
Good Vid!
Luol Deng lookin like a glow stick whenever he smiles 🤣
8:50 wtf that travel tho
Robert Swift deserves a “what if” style video. Biedrins was a very solid role player in his day.
This is actually a good draft. Not too many all-stars but a lot of starters and solid players that had long careers. I don't think we should just base it on all-stars.
Al Jefferson was the 2nd best in this class... He was underrated mostly because he was never in a winning team. He didn't have many fans due to his play style.
I'm confident that most people know and remember a ton of guys in this draft class..
You should do a video on the 2003 draft
Donnie Lair the 2003 draft outside of the top 5 picks is Pretty good IMO
As a korean I am happy to see that you put Ha seung jin🤣🤣
The disrespect to 00s kids, these guys made the 2010's nba so good on btv. I still remember everyone of them even the guy that for drafted by thunders.
Man my age is starting to show. I remember that Draft like it was yesterday's. Actually that Chicago draft class made me a Bulls fan. And I couldn't stand the Bulls of the 1990s.
Man Ben Gordon is so underrated in my opinion.... I mean I'm from Syracuse so I remember him from UConn during the Big East rivalry days and there's a reason he was drafted so high I can tell you that much, it was justified ... And even in the league he was a regular 20 - 25 a night scoring threat in his prime. That Bulls team probably wins at least one championship if not for LeBron going to Miami IMO
solid class
Ben Gordon and luol deng were fire!! Deng a Allstar
Can you do a video about Dwight. How was good was he in Orlando, how did he start decreasing, and reviving his career in LAL
How was Dwight revived in LA? They signed on a day-to-day basis contract, meaning the Lakers had the right to cut him at any moment, for minimal money. Dwight needs something like that to keep him going or else he goes back to clown-mode.
Shaun Livingston and Andre Iguodala have more championship than all other players from that draft class combined
it would be awesome to see ben gordon and d rose in the back court in chicago 😁
I think about the 2004 draft all the time!
I still find Devin Harris's NBA Career sad, he was really good when he was part of the Dallas Mavericks and New Jersey Nets. But after he got traded to Utah...he just began to fall off. After the 2018-19 season...he hasn't returned from the league and is likely retired
i'm surprised ben gordon never made it.Also i will never forget when josh smith made that great comeback with the rockets with harden on the bench.