His daughter got really sick, he could've focused on the NBA while worrying bout her. Not making any excuses for him but that's the part they never really talk about
@@theconnaisseur That's not what injury proned means. Those were single freak impact injuries. John wall and Boogie are injury proned. Derrick rose in the 11-12 lockout season was injury proned. Jordan wasnt injury proned because he broke his foot and missed most of a season.
ljpal18 ya well what am o supposed to call it. The class where all th top players got abs once that was a major injury? Cause that looks like such a good comment smh
cris clay Let me guess...you're one of those dumbass who actually believes that everyone in Utah is racist because the media said so. Stop being a sheep.
Outside of his third season in the league which was an excellent season, he was a very high volume low efficiency scorer with below average defense just as the league started to realize high volume low eficiency guys had little value. His defense actually improved a lot in Milwaukee which allowed him to hang in the league a lot longer than he would have otherwise. career Ts% of 52 percent (Josh Smith territory).
@@gamble777888 a lot of players back then wasn't efficient 😂 especially not premier players like AI 💯 Efficiency wasn't super important until this era 🙄
@@babygoat_szn2548 Efficiency has always been important, just not emphasized by stupid front offices until around the mid-2000's. Regardless Monta wasn't just inneficient by today's standards he was inefficient by his era's standards as well. He put up big scoring numbers but played over 40 mins a game some seasons, Per 36 mins he was at around 18ppg while shooting around 30 points below the league average TS%. Now he did have a few years here and there where he was at around the league average, and one exceptionally good year which was his third year in the NBA. But overall there is a reason he bounced around after GS and never stuck around. Teams were shifting away from one dimensional volume players, and that's what Ellis was. Overall he had a fantastic NBA career as far as 40th picks go, so don't want to sound like I'm saying he was worthless.
@@gamble777888 he has eff fg% + fg% + 3points almost like kobe and other star sgs, his problem is just he only know scoring and steals, no defense, no passing,for scoring he is great even with efficiency
Wasn't the 06-07 season a season where the whole divisions rule was still a thing,still a good achievement for a young deron Williams to help the jazz into the western conference finals
@@JoeBro915 something like Ronaldinho, true legends those two. I'd add a player that played soccer for my hometown team, a dutch Lorenzo Ebisilio, the man managed to become a father of two babies with two different women in the same day.
he saved them in the 2015 finals with his small ball center passing/handles/post game skills as a small ball versatile quick can use either hand c...thats when the death small ball lineup of lee green barnes iggy klay curry became a thing when they benched bogut after game 3 of the finals and just out skilled the cavs
@@razkable nobody likes talking about that once he got playing time in game 4 and they switched the lineups around that's when they started finding openings to score and started winning.He's a unsung hero for the warriors buildup to their success
CPGoat #3 i’m not even talking about being in the hof. The og comment said that how come he has no awards. I just replied that he has which is true. Nothing about being in the hof. In his career, it will count.
@@Manu-qq2im no it wont. That's what I'm saying. No one is looking at ur allstar weekend accolades. That's just an extra. Something cool. But it's not apart of ur career accolades.
@@mr.kaizhouto.9931 watch the 2005 finals vs one of the best defensive team ,and watch all 2005 playoffs and tell me if manu wasn't versatile,manu deserve the finals mvp that year
@@agustinflores3242 i'm just kidding with my comment. I'm also a Manu fan. Dude wasn't just an NBA champ but also an Olympic and Euroleague champ and he didnt just lead them just by scoring and he really is a versatile guy
You can't mention felton and completely ignore the awful season with the blazers. In fact you could make an entire video about that one lockout season. People STILL boo Felton in Portland to this day.
"Back when the Western Conference was as strong as ever..." When was it ever not strong? The Western Conference has always been strong, not just during the mid to late 2000's. The 1990's had Hakeem's Rockets, GP/Kemp Sonics, David Robinson's Spurs, Stockton/Malone Jazz, Barkley's Suns, etc. The 2010's were filled with Thunder, the Spurs, Mavericks, Grizzlies, Rockets, and obviously Warriors. At no point in time was the Western Conference ever 'weak'.
Le3-6ron that was more of a testament to how great the Showtime Lakers were. You still had parity from spots 2 through 8. 80's notables include Alex English's Nuggets teams, Artis Gilmore/Mike Mitchell's Spurs, Gus Williams/Jack Sikma's Sonics, Hakeem/Sampson Rockets, Blackmon/Aguirre Mavs, Xavier McDaniels Sonics, and one of the most underrated teams ever, the 3-headed monster Phoenix Suns team with Kevin Johnson, Jeff Hornacek, & Tom Chambers.
Top 7 at best. He was never top 5. Prime years from 00-08. Certainly Paul, D-Will, J-Kidd, Nash and Parker were better. Hell even Billups was probably better. I might even take Marbury over him as well.
@@ssj4goku18825theepic bro Howard has zero offense to save his life. Bynum has moves and a midrange shot. I’d take a potential fulfilled Bynum over Howard any day
Andy as crazy as this sounds I don’t think Chris Paul reached his potential because he could have been better until he had a knee injury on the hornets and that knee injury took away some of his speed and a lot of his athleticism
like with d wade cp3 had to gain some bulk in his prime to deal with his lack of size attacking the rim and constant injuries which hurt his shooting speed and prime...
Correction: David Lee was still solid when he retired. There were offers for him from lower tier teams but he wasn't interested in them as he wanted to compete with a contender. So he chose a job outside of NBA instead. So it was more his own decision ultimately.
Bynum had 3 straight finals appearance with the lakers and back to back titles. His demise started when he demanded more touches publicly and Kobe didn't like that.
Totally 2005 NBA draft was a cast that had a lot of great potential, Andrew Bynum coming out of high school , Deron Williams vs CP3 , who was the better PG from that class , lots of other great players who were underrated
Nice touch with Lou Williams line "Great scorer on and off the court. Laughed pretty hard at that. I would say it's a solid steady draft. Not too many highs or lows, just solid. I remember Atlanta took serious flack for drafting Marvin Williams because they kept drafting small forwards every draft or they already had a bunch of SF's and they seriously needed a point guard and they passed on CP3 and Deron Williams. The deserved the few years of roasting they got for doing that.
Chris Paul is perhaps the only player who truly reached their career at least from an individual standpoint. I guess the only difference between CP3 and Deron besides the head-to-head favoring Williams is that he the former had more Finals win than the latter.
Bogut was easily the best big man on the Bucks since Lew Alcindor/Kareem Abduul Jabbar (players like Bob Lanier, Jack Sikma, Ervin Johnson, and a few other guys). He'd never be a Giannis type of generational Superstar, we've never had the potential to develop into a player of that caliber, but he definitely was developing into an All-Star Cinder who was excellent at both ends of the Court. If not for one of those gruesome elbow injuries I've ever seen he definitely would have become a perennial All-Star. If on his team he did not have a ball hogging, smiles to the crowd but in the locker room wasn't all that nice, he would have developed that much better that much faster, and one can only imagine if the Bucks did not trade Dirk Nowitzki for Robert tractor-Trailer what might have been...
Ryan Akers Deron Williams Carried His teAm To the WESTERN CONFERENCE FINALS! Danny Granger put up numbers on a bad team (at the time) And then got carried by pg13 what are you talking about bro?
The saddest part is, CP3 had a TON of injuries that prevented him from truly reaching his potential, and he STILL is a top 10 PG all time. But he could've been a top 10 PLAYER of all time
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Technically Bynum hasn't retired, there was even a clip of him working out last year, and he was shooting 3s and looked like he dropped some weight, but nothing seems to be happening for him, and his attitude is as been a major question mark even when he did play (on a championship Lakers team no less). Bogut played the latter part of last season and playoffs with Golden State and though he didn't play much, there's nothing stopping him from doing the same when the NBL season finishes in March
2:30 That's probably why I, as a jazz fan, think Kobe is the greatest player of my generation Lebron is good and all but in the west you never worried about Lebron, you always wondered if the offseason moves were enough to beat Kobe
I remember when the conversation of best PG in the league, it came down to D-Will and CP3 lol. That's saying hella in a time when there were mad good PG's yo! Dope vid bro.
@@kevinavila8639 That is true bro. Way more of a guard driven league. But there was a good amount of talent then too. Gilbert Arenas, Devin Harris, Baron Davis, Steve Nash, Jamier Nelson, Steve Francis, Mike Bibby,Jason Kidd,Tony Parker, Jason Williams,Tj Ford, I know forgetting hella. But in a big man focused league, I'd say all these guys were mad good.
Great video as always, but I thought it was kinda weird that you brought up Andrew Bogut getting traded to Golden State, and Monta Ellis getting traded from Golden State, but leave out the fact that they were traded for each other. Feels like it would've made the video come full circle.
Here is an insider tip about Deron Williams in Utah. Coach Jerry Sloan gave Deron the power to change the plays as needed even if it was a different play than what Coach called. This move led up to the Sloan Williams feud that season that he was traded. Interestingly Coach resigned before Williams was traded.
A little unfair to Bynum IMO , things you mention are right, but you can't ignore he had success previous to all that, and was a good player on the lakers b2b titles, even you can say he being injured was key for the Lakers to lose against Boston in 08
Man this draft class would’ve arguably been top 3 all time if all of the major names that fell apart stayed healthy. It would’ve been imo the third best if Williams, Bynum, and Granger were able to have healthy careers
Top players in 05 draft 1. Chris Paul 2. Deron Williams 3. David Lee 4. Danny Granger 5. Monta Ellis 6. Andrew Bynum 7. Andrew Bogut 8. Raymond Felton 9. Marvin Williams 10. Nate Robinson
@@coollikesal4228 Monta Ellis is 5th on my top ten. Had he been an All Star, he would've been 4th. Good Scorer, and won Most Improved Player. Forgot about him because he was very underrated
Even though Monta Ellis didn’t make an all star game he’s arguably the 2nd best player on the list. Some people might even think he was the best which could be an argument, because D-Will and Monta had very similar numbers Deron had more assists a game, but Monta had more PPG since Monta was more of a SG than had to play PG and Deron was a pure PG. Personally I think D-Will was better, but I think Monta was the 2nd best player not too many people even though Monta was going to be a good player proof of that is he was drafted 40th overall. The more All Star appearances argument about the other players doesn’t mean much. Monta was in the West most of his career and which was stacked with amazing PGs one of them being Deron also CP3 Steve Nash and Tony Parker all amazing PGs. Monta was also on bad team with Golden State only making the playoffs once while he was there. While Nash and Parker had a stacked teams which would normally be at the top of West. Deron and CP3 didn’t have as good of teams as the Suns or Spurs they were both able to lead their teams to the playoffs by at least their 3 season in the NBA and did it multiple time while they were younger. It’s kind of the situation that Devin Booker is in right now he’s playing amazing himself and putting up amazing stats since his 2nd year he’s been basically averaging 23ppg and last season also averaged 27ppg, but no all star games because the team around him suck and finish in pretty much in the bottom 5 record wise each year. Booker and Monta are very similar both really SGs, but forced to play PG. Monta is out of the NBA now, but Booker is still young. If Booker and the Suns don’t start improving their record and made the playoffs or leaves and joins a winning team I’m afraid he’ll end up like Monta is considered. Funny thing is Monta is still being paid by the Pacers and will be for the next 3 years so even though Monta isn’t playing NBA basketball he’s still winning in life since he’s making millions doing nothing
D Will is one of my favorite point guards of all time. i knew there was tension between him and Sloan but i did not make much of it. bc when you watch Utah you wouldn't know it bc they played so well.
YSL Gaming the worst of the all stars from the 1998 draft. Despite that still a solid player and one of two players to hit 20k points and not be in the HOF.
Lmao damn I remember that era's obsession with the oversized suits
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You can't be "best 6man ever" without winning anything. I tough it was clear for everyone that Ginobilli is the greatest 6man ever. He just not "only" won, he change the perception of a 6man is. He starts in the bench, but play more minutes than the starter SG, and took the ball in the clutch.
@ lou will is a proven winner just like Ginobili he's just been a journeyman and never had a Popovich but now that's he's found a home he's averaging 22 ppg and if he gets a chip or another 6th man of the year then it will be undeniable
@@nets4life377 just sit and imagine if lou was on the spurs his entire career instead he'd put up better numbers with the same (or better) results and Ginobili was a defensive liability too and last time I checked 3 is more than 1
It had many good role players. Literally Jarrett Jack, David Lee and Andrew Bogut were part of 2015 champions, if I'm not mistaken. And Monta Ellis and Nate Robinson were part of Warriors too lol.
Williams, Bogut, Granger, Villanueva, Green, all staples on my 2k teams after 05. Thanks for undervaluing them, because 10 players with 75+ ratings will get your team a 99 rating and simulate Moneyball wins against the computers, and the competition.
One of dad's friends is friends with Andrew Bogut's cousin (it might be his brother but I ain't 100% sure) and his son is apparently really tall. It's crazy how small the world is
Stoudemire just eyeballed Bogut as he smashed on the hardcourt right next to him. Not to mention standing over him as he was writhing in pain. Meanwhile, Steven Adams gives up an And-1 play to save Mason Plumlee from breaking his neck. Not all athletes are sportsmanly.
I saw an article mentioned that Andrew Bynum has bow legs, so his knees got hurt easily. Before the trade to 76ers, he already had multiple injuries incidents in Lakers; I would understand his lack of motivation, considering 2X NBA championships, 1 All-star, multi-millions dollars and bad knees.
Gotta give CP3 respect for leading that OKC team to a 5th seed before the virus BS. I don’t think anybody expected OKC to be 12th in the west, let alone 5th.
i think the main reason why Milwaukee didn’t take Chris Paul at #1 is because they already had a point guard in tj ford. And I guess they still had high hopes for him. When he was healthy he was pretty good. But the problem is injuries just ruined his career.
Deron actually made a coach retire damn 😂
CORRECTION: A legendary coach.
Manuel Hernández lol
I only know two players who made a coach quit
Manuel Hernández It’s crazy that he made a HOF coach quit his job in the middle of the year
Third best coach of all time
Sudden fall od Deron Williams is always mysterious for me.
he got fat
pretty much it
Injuries and inflated ego
Injuries. He was always chubby but when he got to the nets he couldn't stay healthy
His daughter got really sick, he could've focused on the NBA while worrying bout her. Not making any excuses for him but that's the part they never really talk about
Didn’t take his fitnesss seriously never felt like he wanted to be the best.
"He was a good scorer on and off the court". Lol
Two bitches at the same time like I'm Lou Will
Lol
Sweet Lou 😁
I guess that Utah just grew on em? He was like I'm out here in the Mormon capital where all men out there have 2+++ wives lmfao 😂😂😂
@@adrianezzo1696 lol that's D Will, we talking Lou Will. He had two GFs at once.
Don’t forget about 2010 the injury prone draft. Pg13 (bad injury while playing for team USA) Gordon Hayward Demarcus cousins John wall etc
Hayward and george aren't injury proned.
Wow!!!!!
ljpal18 Hayward had a career altering injury that kept him out a year and George had a n injury that kept him out 8 months
@@theconnaisseur That's not what injury proned means. Those were single freak impact injuries.
John wall and Boogie are injury proned. Derrick rose in the 11-12 lockout season was injury proned. Jordan wasnt injury proned because he broke his foot and missed most of a season.
ljpal18 ya well what am o supposed to call it. The class where all th top players got abs once that was a major injury? Cause that looks like such a good comment smh
Despite all what Deron did for the Jazz, everybody lowkey hates him here in Utah for making Sloan retire.
Ed Estrella Utah sucks as a state and as team...move
@@crisclay2678 nah
he was only there 6 years....1 conference finals...2 all stars there...
So basically fuck Utah as a staff record label and a crew 😆
cris clay
Let me guess...you're one of those dumbass who actually believes that everyone in Utah is racist because the media said so. Stop being a sheep.
I still remember the day where cp3 and deron were the conversation for best point guard in the nba...
Monta Ellis is so underrated! This was a solid draft class 💯
Outside of his third season in the league which was an excellent season, he was a very high volume low efficiency scorer with below average defense just as the league started to realize high volume low eficiency guys had little value. His defense actually improved a lot in Milwaukee which allowed him to hang in the league a lot longer than he would have otherwise. career Ts% of 52 percent (Josh Smith territory).
@@gamble777888 a lot of players back then wasn't efficient 😂 especially not premier players like AI 💯 Efficiency wasn't super important until this era 🙄
@@babygoat_szn2548 Efficiency has always been important, just not emphasized by stupid front offices until around the mid-2000's. Regardless Monta wasn't just inneficient by today's standards he was inefficient by his era's standards as well. He put up big scoring numbers but played over 40 mins a game some seasons, Per 36 mins he was at around 18ppg while shooting around 30 points below the league average TS%. Now he did have a few years here and there where he was at around the league average, and one exceptionally good year which was his third year in the NBA. But overall there is a reason he bounced around after GS and never stuck around. Teams were shifting away from one dimensional volume players, and that's what Ellis was. Overall he had a fantastic NBA career as far as 40th picks go, so don't want to sound like I'm saying he was worthless.
@@gamble777888 he has eff fg% + fg% + 3points almost like kobe and other star sgs, his problem is just he only know scoring and steals, no defense, no passing,for scoring he is great even with efficiency
@@gamble777888 "Efficiency has always been import" Kobe Bryant called from the grave, he's laughing at this statement
Wasn't the 06-07 season a season where the whole divisions rule was still a thing,still a good achievement for a young deron Williams to help the jazz into the western conference finals
His fall ruined the jazz for ten full years. Fuck me.
They changed it right before that season
WillToNihilsm y’all got potential now tho
@@trentonmullins4948 I'm so excited.
WillToNihilsm y’all got 3 potential all stars, go get em 💪🏻
He was a great scorer on and off the court
My mans a savage
Two wives in the same house, and they had no beef with one another lmao
@@JoeBro915 Pimpin' ain't easy
@@JoeBro915 something like Ronaldinho, true legends those two. I'd add a player that played soccer for my hometown team, a dutch Lorenzo Ebisilio, the man managed to become a father of two babies with two different women in the same day.
I guess that Utah just grew on em? He was like I'm out here in the Mormon capital where all men out there have 2+++ wives lmfao😂😂😂
How good is Prime Pau Gasol
Pretty sure there was a video bro
Wilson Sy made a video on that
*was
LeaperStone low tier all star but still kinda soft
All-star but not a superstar
David Lee deserves more respect. The Warriors of today would not exist without him signing that deal back in 2010.
he saved them in the 2015 finals with his small ball center passing/handles/post game skills as a small ball versatile quick can use either hand c...thats when the death small ball lineup of lee green barnes iggy klay curry became a thing when they benched bogut after game 3 of the finals and just out skilled the cavs
@@razkable nobody likes talking about that once he got playing time in game 4 and they switched the lineups around that's when they started finding openings to score and started winning.He's a unsung hero for the warriors buildup to their success
I'm surprised Nate Robinson doesn't have a video yet. He has so many highlights but no awards
because he was good not great. Highlights dont win awards
The Big Dog he won a slam dunk contest award so it counts.
@@Manu-qq2im no it doesnt. U dont get in the hof on slam dunk contest. That's an allstar award. Nothing to do with the regular season or post season.
CPGoat #3 i’m not even talking about being in the hof. The og comment said that how come he has no awards. I just replied that he has which is true. Nothing about being in the hof. In his career, it will count.
@@Manu-qq2im no it wont. That's what I'm saying. No one is looking at ur allstar weekend accolades. That's just an extra. Something cool. But it's not apart of ur career accolades.
Sweet Lou. Great scorer on and off the court.
Andy Hoops : 9:52
Manu:hold my 4 nba rings
Manu isn't as versatile as Lou coz Lou can score off the court HAHA!
@@mr.kaizhouto.9931 watch the 2005 finals vs one of the best defensive team ,and watch all 2005 playoffs and tell me if manu wasn't versatile,manu deserve the finals mvp that year
@@agustinflores3242 i'm just kidding with my comment. I'm also a Manu fan. Dude wasn't just an NBA champ but also an Olympic and Euroleague champ and he didnt just lead them just by scoring and he really is a versatile guy
You can't mention felton and completely ignore the awful season with the blazers. In fact you could make an entire video about that one lockout season. People STILL boo Felton in Portland to this day.
Believe me.... My blazers want to rewrite that history every day
@@zergmare7 I got beans
I was 12 years old and like halfway through that season he missed a wide open layup and I almost cried
What happened I actually haven’t heard much about that season tbh
@@zergmare7 can you go into detail why? I've never heard about this lmao
Make a video on how good George gervin was
"Back when the Western Conference was as strong as ever..." When was it ever not strong? The Western Conference has always been strong, not just during the mid to late 2000's. The 1990's had Hakeem's Rockets, GP/Kemp Sonics, David Robinson's Spurs, Stockton/Malone Jazz, Barkley's Suns, etc. The 2010's were filled with Thunder, the Spurs, Mavericks, Grizzlies, Rockets, and obviously Warriors.
At no point in time was the Western Conference ever 'weak'.
IbTusPeter in the 80’s it was dominated by the same one team
Le3-6ron that was more of a testament to how great the Showtime Lakers were. You still had parity from spots 2 through 8. 80's notables include Alex English's Nuggets teams, Artis Gilmore/Mike Mitchell's Spurs, Gus Williams/Jack Sikma's Sonics, Hakeem/Sampson Rockets, Blackmon/Aguirre Mavs, Xavier McDaniels Sonics, and one of the most underrated teams ever, the 3-headed monster Phoenix Suns team with Kevin Johnson, Jeff Hornacek, & Tom Chambers.
I can't remember when the western conference was weak maybe the Jordan Era
To actually answer your old question 8th seeds were either getting 50 wins or close to it from 2010 down
welp i think 90s bulls sorta covered the western dominance with the bad boys earlier too
You should make a video about how good Mehmet Okur was in the mid 2000s.
He would be so good in today's NBA
Agreed
I haven't heard that name since 2004 pistons
Spaceman Ju7 he had a few good years with the Jazz with Boozer and Williams
Okur was a big man that could of hit 3's back in a era when big men wasn't taking 3's
how good was Baron Davis a top 5 point guard in the NBA in his prime.
Who do you have in your top 5?
I think what he meant was top 5 of his time man
He a couple of seasons where he was def a top 5 guard. Are you only looking at stats, did you even see Baron play in his prime or at all ?
@Justin Last
Alot of players put up great stats on a team going nowhere in the 2000s
Baron Davis was a star.
Top 7 at best. He was never top 5. Prime years from 00-08. Certainly Paul, D-Will, J-Kidd, Nash and Parker were better. Hell even Billups was probably better. I might even take Marbury over him as well.
This draft sophomore vs rookie team was fun to watch. David Lee had a perfect field goal and cp3 passing to Ellis for high-flying dunks.
Andrew Bynum: "7 feet of unfilled potential" 😂
Biggest highlight is Dunkin on shaq then getting chin check.
Christian Carrillo that move on Shaq made me believe man. Shame cause Bynum can be better than Howard if he tries
Bynum has 2 rings thanks to Kobe. That's still quite the career run most pros can only dream of.
@@albertwang6465 he would have been top 2 but Howard was amazing.
@@ssj4goku18825theepic bro Howard has zero offense to save his life. Bynum has moves and a midrange shot. I’d take a potential fulfilled Bynum over Howard any day
Andy as crazy as this sounds I don’t think Chris Paul reached his potential because he could have been better until he had a knee injury on the hornets and that knee injury took away some of his speed and a lot of his athleticism
like with d wade cp3 had to gain some bulk in his prime to deal with his lack of size attacking the rim and constant injuries which hurt his shooting speed and prime...
Damn why you gotta show cp3 frying Tony parker like that 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
😂😂😂😂
Frying hahaha
Correction: David Lee was still solid when he retired. There were offers for him from lower tier teams but he wasn't interested in them as he wanted to compete with a contender. So he chose a job outside of NBA instead. So it was more his own decision ultimately.
Personal Issues destroyed the career in most of the players in this draft....I think Bogut was the only one to win a championship
Channing Frye, David Lee and Andrew Bynum too
@@vincenieva I forgot about that .....
University of Utah bogut woo!
Bynum had 3 straight finals appearance with the lakers and back to back titles.
His demise started when he demanded more touches publicly and Kobe didn't like that.
Also David Lee won a ring with the warriors in 2015 with bogut
D Wills used to be a killer.... miss that guy
Totally 2005 NBA draft was a cast that had a lot of great potential, Andrew Bynum coming out of high school , Deron Williams vs CP3 , who was the better PG from that class , lots of other great players who were underrated
Looking back this was a really good draft
Looking back at it this is on point keep up the great content Andy🔥
Great content 🥶👌🏾👌🏾
Nice touch with Lou Williams line "Great scorer on and off the court. Laughed pretty hard at that. I would say it's a solid steady draft. Not too many highs or lows, just solid. I remember Atlanta took serious flack for drafting Marvin Williams because they kept drafting small forwards every draft or they already had a bunch of SF's and they seriously needed a point guard and they passed on CP3 and Deron Williams. The deserved the few years of roasting they got for doing that.
Everytime Andy said "untapped potential" I kept thinking about that stupid Geico commercial with pinocchio.🤥
LMFAO shit was a Classic
Raymond Smith Shit you’re right.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Chris Paul is perhaps the only player who truly reached their career at least from an individual standpoint. I guess the only difference between CP3 and Deron besides the head-to-head favoring Williams is that he the former had more Finals win than the latter.
Bogut was easily the best big man on the Bucks since Lew Alcindor/Kareem Abduul Jabbar (players like Bob Lanier, Jack Sikma, Ervin Johnson, and a few other guys). He'd never be a Giannis type of generational Superstar, we've never had the potential to develop into a player of that caliber, but he definitely was developing into an All-Star Cinder who was excellent at both ends of the Court. If not for one of those gruesome elbow injuries I've ever seen he definitely would have become a perennial All-Star. If on his team he did not have a ball hogging, smiles to the crowd but in the locker room wasn't all that nice, he would have developed that much better that much faster, and one can only imagine if the Bucks did not trade Dirk Nowitzki for Robert tractor-Trailer what might have been...
Been a Bucks fan my whole life, growing up watching Bogut was one of my favorite periods of time in sports
As a warriors fan bogut was my favourite player
Deron story is underrated he was something else
9:59 Bruh 🤣🤣
I didn't know Andrew was so good with the Bucks, I didn't even know he was there before joining the Warriors. Thanks for uploading Andy!
Andy. My guy. It’s “unfulfilled” potential.
"Lou Williams, best sixth man of the year."
Manu Ginobili might have something to say about that.
Math Simon stop. Lou is better sixth man wise
Kibs Kibs “sixth man wise” lol
Manu is definitely the greatest 6man to ever lace them up! 4 championships don’t lie 🤪
@Big Poppa Trump theres this hall of famer named john havlicek who played 6th man for like 4 years...look him up...
How 2k Could make a Card of Danny Granger But not Deron Williams is just disrespectful to me😭
NBA MIXTAPE they didn’t have his rights he not in game
Ryan Akers Deron Williams Carried His teAm To the WESTERN CONFERENCE FINALS! Danny Granger put up numbers on a bad team (at the time) And then got carried by pg13 what are you talking about bro?
Ryan Akers Sorry What has Danny Granger ever carried his team too?
Ryan Akers I hate deron but even I gotta admit averaging 20 and 10 assists is way more impressive then averaging 26 and 2.
Nets 4life Imagine Saying Danny Granger is a legend😂😂😂💀
The saddest part is, CP3 had a TON of injuries that prevented him from truly reaching his potential, and he STILL is a top 10 PG all time. But he could've been a top 10 PLAYER of all time
I hate the Lakers but he got robbed of a title by David Stern(rip) by not letting him join Kobe
Best basketball videos on TH-cam 💯🔥
Love your videos!
I just want to say that I love your channel
You make consistently interesting videos, and you can tell a lot of effort was put into every video. Keep making high quality stuff!
Also the background music is perfect 👌
Can you make a video about Antawn Jamison??? 2x all-star and 6th man of the year (2004)... MAN!!! He is so UNDERRATED
Loved watching him and Vince in college. They were a great dual.
Some of these dudes actually had good careers overall. I feel if you win a ring or two then you definitely qualify.
Technically Bynum hasn't retired, there was even a clip of him working out last year, and he was shooting 3s and looked like he dropped some weight, but nothing seems to be happening for him, and his attitude is as been a major question mark even when he did play (on a championship Lakers team no less).
Bogut played the latter part of last season and playoffs with Golden State and though he didn't play much, there's nothing stopping him from doing the same when the NBL season finishes in March
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That's probably why I, as a jazz fan, think Kobe is the greatest player of my generation
Lebron is good and all but in the west you never worried about Lebron, you always wondered if the offseason moves were enough to beat Kobe
David Lee really outperformed his potential. Two time all star and won a championship.
i love your videos! keep it up bro
Great video!!! Great content to start off the decade(2020) with
I remember when the conversation of best PG in the league, it came down to D-Will and CP3 lol. That's saying hella in a time when there were mad good PG's yo! Dope vid bro.
Not that many good PGs as today though. Name the few elite ones if u can....
@@kevinavila8639 That is true bro. Way more of a guard driven league. But there was a good amount of talent then too. Gilbert Arenas, Devin Harris, Baron Davis, Steve Nash, Jamier Nelson, Steve Francis, Mike Bibby,Jason Kidd,Tony Parker, Jason Williams,Tj Ford, I know forgetting hella. But in a big man focused league, I'd say all these guys were mad good.
Love your videos bro! Thanks for posting, and working so often to produce great content. 💯
Great video as always, but I thought it was kinda weird that you brought up Andrew Bogut getting traded to Golden State, and Monta Ellis getting traded from Golden State, but leave out the fact that they were traded for each other. Feels like it would've made the video come full circle.
Great video bro. Been watching you for a while.
Here is an insider tip about Deron Williams in Utah. Coach Jerry Sloan gave Deron the power to change the plays as needed even if it was a different play than what Coach called. This move led up to the Sloan Williams feud that season that he was traded. Interestingly Coach resigned before Williams was traded.
This is the type of video that puts me into an alcoholic depression
A little unfair to Bynum IMO , things you mention are right, but you can't ignore he had success previous to all that, and was a good player on the lakers b2b titles, even you can say he being injured was key for the Lakers to lose against Boston in 08
Hey Andy how about making a video how good was Michael Finley.
I'm a simple man. I see a new andy video and I click.
Man this draft class would’ve arguably been top 3 all time if all of the major names that fell apart stayed healthy. It would’ve been imo the third best if Williams, Bynum, and Granger were able to have healthy careers
It was a sneaky good draft class, and the Knicks drafted pretty good ironically enough, that was Isaiah Thomas I think
NICE VIDEO ANDY
Top players in 05 draft
1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. David Lee
4. Danny Granger
5. Monta Ellis
6. Andrew Bynum
7. Andrew Bogut
8. Raymond Felton
9. Marvin Williams
10. Nate Robinson
Monta Ellis
Bogut is better than 6-9
@@coollikesal4228 Monta Ellis is 5th on my top ten. Had he been an All Star, he would've been 4th. Good Scorer, and won Most Improved Player. Forgot about him because he was very underrated
Even though Monta Ellis didn’t make an all star game he’s arguably the 2nd best player on the list. Some people might even think he was the best which could be an argument, because D-Will and Monta had very similar numbers Deron had more assists a game, but Monta had more PPG since Monta was more of a SG than had to play PG and Deron was a pure PG. Personally I think D-Will was better, but I think Monta was the 2nd best player not too many people even though Monta was going to be a good player proof of that is he was drafted 40th overall. The more All Star appearances argument about the other players doesn’t mean much. Monta was in the West most of his career and which was stacked with amazing PGs one of them being Deron also CP3 Steve Nash and Tony Parker all amazing PGs. Monta was also on bad team with Golden State only making the playoffs once while he was there. While Nash and Parker had a stacked teams which would normally be at the top of West. Deron and CP3 didn’t have as good of teams as the Suns or Spurs they were both able to lead their teams to the playoffs by at least their 3 season in the NBA and did it multiple time while they were younger. It’s kind of the situation that Devin Booker is in right now he’s playing amazing himself and putting up amazing stats since his 2nd year he’s been basically averaging 23ppg and last season also averaged 27ppg, but no all star games because the team around him suck and finish in pretty much in the bottom 5 record wise each year. Booker and Monta are very similar both really SGs, but forced to play PG. Monta is out of the NBA now, but Booker is still young. If Booker and the Suns don’t start improving their record and made the playoffs or leaves and joins a winning team I’m afraid he’ll end up like Monta is considered. Funny thing is Monta is still being paid by the Pacers and will be for the next 3 years so even though Monta isn’t playing NBA basketball he’s still winning in life since he’s making millions doing nothing
It’s alright man it’s okay
Bynum for me is the 2nd best career because he was a champion
D Will is one of my favorite point guards of all time. i knew there was tension between him and Sloan but i did not make much of it. bc when you watch Utah you wouldn't know it bc they played so well.
Can we get a how good was Antawn Jamison video pls
YSL Gaming the worst of the all stars from the 1998 draft. Despite that still a solid player and one of two players to hit 20k points and not be in the HOF.
“Not many fans no Bogut before the warriors” damn how young are they been watching nba drafts since ‘94
Gerald Green is also my favorite nba player! Love the guy!
Lmao damn I remember that era's obsession with the oversized suits
You can't be "best 6man ever" without winning anything. I tough it was clear for everyone that Ginobilli is the greatest 6man ever.
He just not "only" won, he change the perception of a 6man is. He starts in the bench, but play more minutes than the starter SG, and took the ball in the clutch.
Lou is still better
@@theboss5751 No. You like 20. Or just don't know about basketball.
@ lou will is a proven winner just like Ginobili he's just been a journeyman and never had a Popovich but now that's he's found a home he's averaging 22 ppg and if he gets a chip or another 6th man of the year then it will be undeniable
theboss5751 No he’s not. Lou can’t defend like ginobili and he’s less efficient then ginobili too.
@@nets4life377 just sit and imagine if lou was on the spurs his entire career instead he'd put up better numbers with the same (or better) results and Ginobili was a defensive liability too and last time I checked 3 is more than 1
Great video!
Always remember Monte Elis locker room shots from behind the head all the time each game coming out to the game on the warriors.
Bro D Will was the truth! He was a 2 quard in my opinion. It's hard to run a team man, that's why I have so much respect for point guards.
Marvin Williams should have stayed in college another year
why?
It had many good role players. Literally Jarrett Jack, David Lee and Andrew Bogut were part of 2015 champions, if I'm not mistaken. And Monta Ellis and Nate Robinson were part of Warriors too lol.
Ion even watch the nba any more but he just makes it sound so interesting 🤧
Monta was saucy I wish we had him this year. Go GSW Hoop
I'll always feel bad for CP3. Another HOFer without a ring, probably like Harden and Westbrook
Remember when Dwight wanted to go play with d will in Brooklyn lol that would of been so fire and could of kept deron playing at that all star level
Great video. 😀😀
Marvin Williams did go to college. He was a stud on the UNC National Championship team that year.
You forgot to mention Lee played a significant role in that 2015 Warriors title run.
Its still sad danny granger never recovered after his injury. Dude was so clutch and a bucket machine
Williams, Bogut, Granger, Villanueva, Green, all staples on my 2k teams after 05. Thanks for undervaluing them, because 10 players with 75+ ratings will get your team a 99 rating and simulate Moneyball wins against the computers, and the competition.
One of dad's friends is friends with Andrew Bogut's cousin (it might be his brother but I ain't 100% sure) and his son is apparently really tall. It's crazy how small the world is
Gortat was such a steal at 57th. Underrated player
i love this batch full of talent and long careers
Lou Williams has been the most consistent person in this draft class. I believe he recently won sixth man of the year award.
When bogut went back to Australia to play in the NBL, he won the 2019 MVP and DPOY
Stoudemire just eyeballed Bogut as he smashed on the hardcourt right next to him. Not to mention standing over him as he was writhing in pain. Meanwhile, Steven Adams gives up an And-1 play to save Mason Plumlee from breaking his neck. Not all athletes are sportsmanly.
I saw an article mentioned that Andrew Bynum has bow legs, so his knees got hurt easily.
Before the trade to 76ers, he already had multiple injuries incidents in Lakers; I would understand his lack of motivation, considering 2X NBA championships, 1 All-star, multi-millions dollars and bad knees.
What if Memphis kept Pau Gasol
Then Marc would still be w/ the Lakers.
Manuel Hernández no they would've traded him
Gotta give CP3 respect for leading that OKC team to a 5th seed before the virus BS. I don’t think anybody expected OKC to be 12th in the west, let alone 5th.
D will was my favorite pg for like 4 yrs ...it felt like he suddenly couldn’t play out of nowhere
i think the main reason why Milwaukee didn’t take Chris Paul at #1 is because they already had a point guard in tj ford. And I guess they still had high hopes for him. When he was healthy he was pretty good. But the problem is injuries just ruined his career.
Bogut & J Lee = 1 title (2015 GS)
Bynum = 2 titles (2009 & 2010 LAL)
Lou Williams = One of the GREATEST 6man of all-time!
Can't complain!
I’m still scratching my head on Andrew Bynum. Dude was a beast