THIS! I wonder if Nick started saying this stuff after he experienced how she was treating him. Because I feel like there was nothing during their reveal or honeymoon that shows Nick did not like what he saw.
This is what I was thinking. If he was going around telling people she's ugly and bashing her looks to people, that's one thing. To not be attracted to someone who treats you so awful is another.
Even though Nick may not have been attracted to Hannah he didn’t disrespect her on TV. He kept it respectful that’s the least she could’ve done and she wasn’t attracted to him either cause at their reveal she constantly mentioned him being shorter and not what she expected.
I think you guys are giving Hannah way too much credit 🤷♀️ She’s a bully. “I’ll treat you like an equal when you contribute like an equal”. If a man said this, we would cancel them! Edit: ok you guys are laying into her a bit more now 😂 Hannah’s abuse is very triggering for me 😅
This what I said yesterday to friends! If Hannah was a man the internet would cancel her with more fury. The talking about their sex life on tv was the big thing for me, so disrespectful to go behind your partners back and break trust smh. In general though there’s a lot of things she said that are just out of pocket.
Not excusing Hannah. But some might say Nick was abusive too. He was weaponising incompetence and that’s a lot to deal with if you are hyper-independent like Hannah. It’s kinda like well damn, here’s someone else I can’t rely on. Which in itself is emotional abuse and very disappointing if you are finally looking to put down your strong and self-reliant side. Remember she was on her own financially at 18.
@@boitumelodibetso8719 while I hear you and ur so right saying weaponized incompetence is so incredibly toxic, I wouldn’t call it abusive like Hannah. It’s very obvious nick was raised boy parents and was shown literally nothing regarding the house, but I truly don’t think he was trying to tactically attack Hannah and belittle her. Yes, Hannah can look at his lack of knowledge and decide if it’s toxic/lessen her life. However, she intentionally used every moment she could to humiliate him to the point where he is viscerally scared of her. That big fight after the party proved her wrong after she verbally assaulted him, and she slithered away to sleep instead of apologizing. Then she had a brunch with her friends, complaining about him to nick. She had her friends do her dirty work. That is manipulation at its finest. The way I would never ever allow my friends into my relationship and criticize my partner. In summary, being unknowingly toxic and intentional abuse are two separate things. Sorry if this is a lot but Hannah is very triggering for me.
@@boitumelodibetso8719 I would get how that would be annoying, but we didn’t see examples of that at all. We saw him trying to help but needed someone to guide him. And it’s also not an excuse for her to be demeaning to him. She should have addressed the issue with him and delivered that message as such.
While Ramses may have a sympathetic and well-thought-out world view, in relationships he is selfish, egotistical and misogynist. He is not the feminist that he claims to be.
Unpopular opinion but I actually find this season so interesting and entertaining even though most have said it’s the worst season but watching these recaps makes it sm better too!!
I feel like this season is actually more realistic. People do not meet, fall in love, get married, and live happily ever after. There are complications and struggles and people not being compatible. I appreciate that this season explores more than "love" and we get a (decent) look at how intricate relationship actually are.
Ok, so we have this word here in Brazil that perfectly describes the type of man that Ramses is: "esquerdomacho" - a man who have leftist views and strong beliefs, call himself a feminist, etc, but when it come to relationships, is very much mysoginist and egocentric
All this hate on Hannah is wild to me. Nick is a manchild who had no business being on LIB. He wasted her time. Her talking about her dissatisfaction sexually was messy, but I think she really thought she’s talking to a girlfriend and forgot she’s on a Netflix show.
They said it best, you can not be called mature and bash on someone like she does, or quit your responsibilities to go on a TV show that maybe (remember that not everyone does) you can find a husband. I agree that he is childish but as long as we saw he has not been verbally disrespectful to her. If she doesn’t have the energy or doesn’t see him as husband material she could’ve walked away, instead of trying to make him feel bad. There’s better ways to communicate your problems than that.
@@boitumelodibetso8719Nick is a manchild but it doesn’t justify such horrible treatment from Hannah and the fact that you’re trying to justify her toxic and disgusting behaviour says everything i need to know about you and I can label you in the same way!
Hannah was so uncomfortable to watch this season. Struggling in any way is not a right of passage to being a “true” adult and she strikes me as being jealous that Nick has continued to have what appears to be a healthy, loving and supportive family dynamic his whole life. I don’t think she thinks she did anything wrong to this day.
So Alex couldn't nap for an hour when she'd already spent 4 hours with Tim's parents? That seems extreme. I think Tim was out the moment he saw her apartment, but i wish he'd just said that instead of being so hurtful.
I saw this comment on Jessie Woo’s thread from a nurse who hypothesized that Alex may be suffering from depression. She’s high functioning for the most part but the apartment being a mess is a sign and the exhaustion also. She probably has burnout from having sick parents. She needs therapy more than a relationship.
I actually think you guys need to be a little more biased (deepti in particular) Honestly no hate, I really love this podcast and them both and want to give this opinion in the most respectful way. But I sometimes feel like in attempt to give everyone the benefit of the doubt Deepti doesn’t always give an honest opinion and sometimes flipflops when Natalie has an opposing opinion too. Again honestly no shade! It’s just I think it would be nice to hear more direct opinions sometimes.
@@sabamehak_ wholeheartedly agree. I think they may be guarding their words because unlike us, they may actually find themselves in the same room with these people some day, so they’re being too polite.
While I do agree with @trellbee mostly, I think that sometimes people rush on here to see if they share the same strong opinions we might have, but that's not possible. Especially because these shows trigger diff things in diff people like Natalie mentioned. And there's nothing wrong with being objective. I appreciate Deepti because she does give people the benefit of the doubt until the whole story plays out. Even after her experience she seems unjaded in that sense.
When the internet came for Alex after the Mexico fight, she didn't say anything. When the internet came for Tim, he tried really hard to blame Alex and redirect the hate towards her. Which is what Deepti is speaking on in this episode. Even during interviews with magazines, Alex is careful to stay neutral when speaking about Tim where he is not. That speaks volumes about each one's character.
Tim is a walking red flag since the pods! Am I the only one who sees his? He seems to talk a lot but not listening and he is all about his own drama, he doesn’t care about anyone else than himself and his parents. It’s very sad what happen to him but he is stuck in it
Yes! We never see him inquire about how Alex is doing or express curiosity (I.e. why did you need a nap). He has a perspective that he needs to push forward and even when presented with alternative facts or additional information he is relentless in pursuing his end goal.
I think you give Tyler too much credit! So apparently the sperm donor babies were actually conceived naturally as in through intercourse, while Tyler was engaged to someone else, and his then fiance didnt know he had done this & even attended a baby shower! & he ended up living with the mother and her kids for a while. For him to then cut off these kids when he decided to film LIB shows a lot about his character and those poor kids are going to grow up knowing he denied knowing them and reducing them to "sperm babies" !
Someone mentioned that because of all the lawsuits kinetic had to change the way they film so that maybe why we missed so much of what happened. Alex did an interview and explained her napping. She even told his parents she was gonna take a quick nap and they didn’t mind. The parents also weren’t about to leave. There’s twitch sides to both stories. Alex said he cherry picked the texts. Both of them need to work on themselves. It’s hard to “pick” a side. This season is so conflicting because I don’t even like Alex lmao
Tim is giving Zanab vibe. Remember what Zanab did? She was having lots of issues but chose to wait till the last moment to explode. Tim was having issues early on but didn't try to have conversations with Alex. If there are things he was not happy with, he should've totally leave early before meeting with her dad. I don't like Alex being so messy but I can see that why she has chronic fatigue issues and wants a nap. I don't think they're compatible. But it is healthy communication to let your partner know things you cannot tolerate. Alex is probably someone really self-centered and not mature. But Tim could just let her know how much he values family and cleanliness. Maybe he did communicate off cameras but he could also leave in a polite way.
Hasn’t Garrett not been in a relationship for 7 years? If this ex texting him after such a long time its either nothing or kinda weird and there is more to it
The fact that nick may not have been attracted to Hannah but never once insulted her, speaks volumes about him. He could have met her BS energy and things would have been so different. Call me crazy...
Watching Hannah constantly degrade and belittle Nick made me feel sick. If you’ve seen or experienced emotional abuse in your life, you’ll understand exactly who she is and what she’s doing. I had to speed up those scenes because it was painful to watch. Poor Nick.
Hey Ramses, meet your hand! You don’t even need to wear a glove! 😂 Seriously though, all longterm partners experience out of sync times for intimacy and he’d be best off offering to help her (tea? Hot water bottle? Comfort food?), put more energy into wedding planning and then rub one out if he’s still in the mood but she isn’t. It reads as a heightened need for fusion, you can still satisfy your own needs in a partnership if/when your partner is out of commission. I think Ramses might’ve been sexually needy in relationships before and experienced being iced out by his partner, but he’s not looking at himself and what is reasonable, nor is he communicating his concerns in a healthy way, because I think we can see a glimmer of what he’s trying to say but it’s cloaked in so much need and so many unrealistic expectations. He just dumps 100% of his needs on Marissa, which is exactly what she said she didn’t want in a partnership. If you can’t take a couple of nights off spicy times, marriage may not be for you. It’s about more than sex, and the worst is she’d likely get back in the mood faster if he helped with the other things that are stressing her out rather than just adding his raw boners to her plate of stuff to do!
Just because Alex hasn’t stated that she has a medical condition doesn’t mean she shouldn’t be able to take a nap. BOTH of her parents have MS and fatigue is a symptom of that so she could potentially be experiencing early symptoms without a diagnosis yet. She’s put out her side in a few interviews and it really changed my initial perspective about the problems between her and Tim.
That could be true, and if so, I truly hope she tends to her health. Beyond that, she apparently has issues with doing anything. All the cooking Tim/Drake did for her parents and she asked HIM to get their plates? She couldn't get off her butt and help him fix the plates? She couldn't do the dishes after he cooked again? She couldn't be bothered to clean her place before Netflix and her fiance showed up? She half-heartedly hugged his family while keeping one hand in her pocket the whole time? People are going in on Tim, but something's off with her, too.
tim was rude point blank. the yellow shirt thing was a huge red flag and i’m not surprised it didn’t work. Alex has her own set of problems but he was so nasty during that last conversation
Tim's parents were going to be there for a few days... and Alex had somewhere to go that night, she also said she told the parents before she took a nap. And takeing a nap after talking for 4 hrs haaa i would've been exhausted too.Yes Alex is flawed but Tim is awful!
I feel like Tim is controlling the narrative. I think he preferred not to have discussions or arguments on camera. That was why the break up conversation was surprised to her.
I don't know much about MS, but I did see comments on social media about MS. With Alex saying that multiple members in her family have MS, some people seem to think that excessive sleepyness may be an earlu symptom? It's important to remember that not everyone can work through things without extra sleep, even if we don't necessarily know if they have an actual disease or not. What if she ends up having it and we judge her for this? Doesn't seem fair at all
Yes, and even if she didn't have MS, depression, low iron/anemia, thyroid issues (all speculation), why can't she nap, esp when she told him that she worked all day (AND had to travel to his house bc he isn't staying in the shared apartment)?
There definitely is a lot of context missing with Alex & Tim. Y’all should look into the interviews Alex did with vulture and people to get a little more of her side as well. It’s clear they are not compatible. Tim comes across petty and purposeful in his rudeness whereas Alex’s faults seem more like she’s being herself but the actions are atypical and come off as inconsiderate.
I’m proud to say I never liked Ramses 😂 I feel like it represents my healing as a previously abused person. I could see his manipulation a mile away, but I have worked so hard to not take the bait. He’s disgusting.
I just want to add to the Marissa and Ramses situation as someone who lives in dc, Marissa's commute is now like 3 hours since shes going from dc and Baltimore. I'm sure she's mentally spent compared to her normal commute. Honestly even Nick, Alex etc may be affected as they probably cast DC, Maryland and Virginia and thats like traveling across Texas.
Alex sitting at the counter starting to eat knowing Tim wanted to have a serious conversation and then continuing to eat and putting on such a deliberate IDGAF look was all I needed to know about her. I don't understand all the hate he's getting. It's clearly an accumulation of her being thoughtless and immature that broke the camels back for him. I also clocked her keeping her hands in her pockets when his mom went to hug her... I would've noticed that IMMEDIATELY. Her whole aura has been giving slobby brat.
If u give hannah grace then u gotta give same to nick. That girl isn't insecure she's mean asf. Also hannah isn't attracted to nick either nd has told literally everyone. She's not real. She's just a meanie yall keep sugar coating things for the ladies nd keep dehumanising the men. Smdh
Ramses situation completely triggered me too. I felt so disgusted by him. Let us breathe and pms in peace jeez. If it is going to be a problem in future then I don’t see a future.
Ok about the nap thing: Maybe it has something to do with where you are on the spectrum of introvert->extrovert, but personally I’d be socially exhausted after spending 4hr with anyone, let alone meeting the family with cameras on. At the very least he should have explained his feelings about that time to her and given her the chance to make that sacrifice. I could see myself in the same position as Alex and totally blindsided that it was such a big deal. Watching the way he blew up "out of nowhere" made me think he’d been out for a while and was just waiting for a reason to pin the breakup on.
I lost my son to suicide last December. He had been bullied somewhat at different points of his life. He is f23. BUT, I was definitely surprised at the amount of people who texted, messaged, and showed up at his service; people I didn't know. So I agree with Deepti on people showing love after the fact. 💙💜
I don’t know if I’m looking too deep but when Alex met Tim’s parents I noticed she didn’t really make an effort to make dinner for them, give them a gift ect..I feel like she also was out of it. Idk if that’s just her personality or maybe the editing? They just didn’t seem connected to me outside the pods.
I find it interesting that Nick not being attracted to Hannah is such a big deal. The reason these people get engaged on the show is because they are attracted to their partner’s personality, communication style, values, how they are treating others, etc. right? I think it’s the same way in terms of later on. Once they “see” who the person really is in real life. I think that Hannah’s facade was dropped, and she started being extremely cruel. I don’t know how you can be attracted to someone who treats you like that. She talks about getting “the ick” from the dorky things he does, but she makes me sick in talking to him like that. So it might not even be physical attraction that he’s talking about. Also, I think he’s afraid to be honest with her. Speaking from experience, it’s really hard to be honest with people who are emotionally and psychologically abusive.
Unpopular opinion everyone should be allowed to rest when they need it without a medical condition. Many sensitive people get drained/overstimulated easily and need to rest their bodies. Coffee doesn't help in these situations. Especially for neurodivergents, I have adhd coffee just makes me more tired. I'd rather give the people I'm with my full attention and energy rather than being so drained that I have to fake being happy to be around them. I've been forced so many times to socialize when I didn't have the bandwidth but now I always put my health first.
With all due respect Deepti and Natalie, I know it isn’t intentional on your part but you completely overlook the fact that both of Alex’s parents have MS. Please research the symptoms of MS for women. Maybe it will give you some insight into some of Alex’s moods and actions, including the sleepiness. Alex has not indicated a diagnosis of MS for herself, but it is very likely that she has MS traits. And, Alex could be developing the disorder in her body unaware. I even thought about this when Alex first discussed her parent’s illness in the pods. I think we all need to give Alex some grace.
Right?? Getting mad at her taking a nap for 1 hour and Deepti Natalie justifying Tim's behavior is nuts!! I got frustrated with this video. They are missing the mark!
Not y'all trying to find a way to be on Hannah's side. You know Hannah didn't know he was saying that stuff because she would have flat out asked him. Hate that you tried to lead with that.
Tim and Alex are texting because they're not living in the shared apartment together. I hope they address that at the reunion bc it would impact their dynamics.
I hate unbiased reviews!!! You subscribe to specific content because you want to hear a specific point of view. The creators that work so hard to argue both sides are my least favorite reviews. Your lens is your lens. I want to hear your lens guys.
If your in-laws travel 10 hours to meet you and you take a 1 hour nap during the short time they are there, that is incredibly disrespectful. But to each his own.
You ladies hit the nail on the head. Alex was inconsiderate to Tim over and over again. A lot of people online are coming to her defense. But the truth is this- is why Tim knew in his gut that Alex was not compatible for him. Consideration/respect are qualities that were very important to him, and I feel like he articulated that in so many ways.
I'm really disappointed in the way you underplayed the obvious and blatant abuse that Nick is suffering at the hands of Hannah ON SCREEN. Yet you guys are speculating on nefarious reasons explaining why he is not attracted to her and its almost as if you're implying that ye deserves it. Why would he be attracted to someone thay berates him all the time?
I think Tyler and Ashley got married as well which is why Tyler was completely avoiding seeing the kids. I was hoping Ashley said no but I don't see why else Tyler would go from seeing his kids the day before leaving to acting as if they dont exist. I think he was trying to hide it from Ashley but I hope she said no.
Deepti - A Lie By Omission is the worst form of Lying. Also Deepti - Doesn't seem to have an issue that Tyler Lied By Omission regarding his kids while in the pods, on the honeymoon, while talking about having kids, or any other time they were together.
Deepti is always forgiving all of the red flags of every single red flag guy! Lol like girl! She also said you don't have to tell your partner everything" but they literally just got together! Is the honeymoon phase and he's already lying!!!
The responses are actually often more varied than just fight or flight… The Fs are fight, flight, freeze or fawn (some now also include a 5th - flop). Many people don’t know the last two and they are also quite common in threatening or traumatic situations. Women especially can sometimes be hard on themselves for freezing up or for cozying up to an attacker in a dangerous situation, so it’s helpful to spread awareness that these are also very common responses to threats. In an ideal world we could pock the approach that best suits the situation, but as these are usually fairly immediate knee-jerk reactions to very negative stimuli most of is have a go-to based on our trauma response. Mine is freeze, and I’ve come to embrace it as it gives me time to process what’s happening.
Garrett's problem for me was that he told the friends something different than he told her.. makes her look dumb. Deepti, in your season if Shake represented his interaction with his ex differently to you than everybody else on set, girl you would not have been cool lol
Deepti I think that your take on not needing to know every little thing that goes on in your partners day to day is so beautiful. It shows how confident and trusting you are. I personally am more like Natalie and I would want to know but I wish I could be more like you and have that less controlling mindset. I really love this pod cast!!!
How is no one talking about both of Alex’s parents having MS and faitage is a MAJOR symptom of MS? That's the only thing I thought of when I heard she needed to nap, you can't always control how tired you are.
After I listened to Alex’s interview it made a lot of sense to me her behavior. You should read it. Not that she did everything great, but I also understood a lot more. She fills in the gaps
Garrett tells Taylor he got a message from ex and Taylors response was bigger than he expected. Garrett not thinking the text was a big deal withhold info to move on from it. It's something we men do.
I agree. I like Taylor but I do worry that Garret will tiptoe around her. I think Garrett is moving to San Diego and I think he’s making huge changes. So far everything seems on Taylor’s terms and I think that she hasn’t been tested in having to make a big sacrifice for the relationship.
As someone with a chronic illness, I would have needed a nap after 4 hours of filming. Alex could have then spent the rest of the evening with Tim's family. Did Tim ask her to skip the nap? It didn't seem like he did.
I wonder how Hannah’s story would’ve played out if she chose Leo instead, it would’ve probably been super toxic but I think she would’ve been perceived differently since I think Leo would’ve been the “villain” in the relationship.
Hannah is an abuser. Let’s be honest, if a man spoke with a woman like she did to Nick he would be called an abuser, so let’s not sugarcoat what she did. It seemed like Nick was not enough for her.
Its really sad that we really try to rationalise obvious abuse. Finding reasons for why is just outrageous. Why are you saying that Nick says things and does things he doesn't believe....whats that got to do with him being abused ? You're kind of brushing over it. If a man spoke to a woman like this, we'd scream abuse but when it's a man, we don't ?! Now he's a people pleaser ? Now he's fake ? What about judging Hannah for the abuser she is ? WHY ON EARTH WOULD HE BE ATTRACTED TO SOMEONE THAT ABUSES HIM ?
Deepti, you are really frustrating me with how much you are trying to see the best in Tyler and Garret. A lie is a lie is a lie. Unacceptable. I worry for you that you still are so empathetic to these terrible men.
Taylor also mentioned that she was upset he didn’t bring this up all day when he had a chance to, and decided to drop it on her right before the party. That would annoy me too!!! He could have done it earlier in the day and they could have discussed it off camera if he wanted to. I think he told her shortly before being on camera so she didn’t have a chance to truly react 🤷🏻♀️
Hannah is a mean girl! He didn’t deserve any of that. If she didn’t like him then she should’ve removed herself from the relationship. But she is like this in everyday life. She needs therapy.
When it comes to Ramses he was doing all the right things. He is communicating his needs in a respectful manner while also respecting her boundaries. He literally says I never want you to feel pressured. Some women just struggle with the Idea of men having needs. People are talking about how men don’t understand women, but I don’t think that women understand that when men have high sex drives, the only way for them to release it in a healthy way is with sex. When the one persons who is supposed to want you tells you that they don’t even want to touch you, it can become world shattering. The urge for sex is stronger with men so you should understand that a sexless marriage is more devastating for men
Wait, how old are you 2?? I'm 35 and felt really old when you said 1D was the boy band of your generation 😂 i was definitely all for Nsync and Backstreet boys in elementary school
Deepti, your friends defend you bc they feel the same way about you as you do about your parents. My best friend was in an abusive relationship and I stood up to the guy when he was screaming at her, and he punched me in the side of the head. I'd do it again, everyday, to protect my friend🤍
Y’all nailed it… I think Nick was just trying to get through filming, and survive with the best image possible. He looked miserable. He was stuck in the situation and just getting beat up.
Tyler - the older child was the only one born as a “sperm donation” and still Tyler ended up fighting for custody and won, taking custody from baby-momma’s ex wife. The twins were born after baby momma and her ex were no longer together at all, and baby momma and Tyler were living together. The twins were full on his from conception. This is all alleged but “story time with Ricky” pulled out all the receipts…👀
Tim should have broken up with Alex in Mexico when she crossed the line. Their relationship was never repaired. Then he shone with her parents and she just showed up for his.
This is the first time I've heard the Nick part about telling people he didn't find Hannah attractive. He's definitely immature in a lot of ways regarding relationships so this doesn't surprise me. Hannah basically told the cameras that she was not attracted to Nick initially and I wouldn't be surprised if she wasn't also "faking" her sudden change of attraction toward Nick for the cameras. I would be interested to know when Nick told people he was not attracted to Hannah as I would give him more grace if it happened after she made that list since I do think that's something that can lower someone's attractiveness, but he also felt like he had to keep telling her he was for both the cameras and fear of what Hannah might say to him. I definitely felt like both Hannah and Nick were aware of the cameras throughout where Nick tried to always say the right thing and Hannah tried to show her concerns about Nick constantly in the hopes that the other person would get the villain edit. Just like Tim and Alex, they should never have been together, they should have never joined this show, and I hope they both grow from this experience.
I agree with deepti I think trust is trust and you don’t need to tell your partner everything. Not that your hiding things it’s just not necessary if you both trust each other.
Gaslighting is a serious form of abuse that usually takes place over months or years. Getting mixed up in conversations and telling white lies can be bad or offensive behaviour, but please can we save gaslighting for victims of abuse? (Actually, tbf, the ship has sailed... Us abuse victims probably just need to find new words as these old ones mean something different now... language is always evolving and I can make peace with that haha. It's just weird after being convinced of a completely separately reality over a series of years to think think that these are the same thing.)
@@zimtapfel yes ❤️mental health awareness was meant to make people more aware thus kinder towards these issues. Instead there's so much misinformation that the awareness has turned into something really quite offensive and diminishes the effects of real abuse and real illnesses.
1:02:05 my ex texted me, (he was a 🚩) and I told him very strongly that I was not interested in him and was very happily engaged… I was soooo divided on if I should tell my fiancé or not, but I just didn’t because it wasn’t a big deal, he wouldn’t care.
I'm so glad you provided some clarification on Tim/Alex's situation! I've heard others questioning Tim leaving Alex over her taking a nap. There's so little time & making an impression without cameras rolling is crucial to the foundation of these relationships!
Omg YES to your interpretation on Hannah and Nick. If he really wanted her, I think he would’ve fought for her a little more. When she would go off on him, his face would be blank like he was disassociating & just trying to get thru the show. Responding in any substantive way would risk Nick being portrayed negatively. So Hannah kept filling the void bc he wasn’t really asking anything of her. He wanted her to end it so he didn’t have to. Hannah did not handle herself well, but I think she was trying to push some emotional reaction out of him bc he really was soooo blasé out of the pods. But, maybe that was bc Hannah dumped on him so much he just was over it very early on. Hannah continually saying “I’m a direct person” says to me hmm nah you’re socially unaware or intentionally hurtful. Everything she said on her little list was projection of HERSELF.
I like that you share your thoughts. Don't be unbiased it would be boring. Your podcast and Psychology in Seattle are my favorites and ones I look forward to.
Natalis, you were right!!! Sadly so.... the season sucks and Ramses is not a dating material, Stephen appears like he has a sexual addiction problem, Tyler is a master liar, and Tim and Alex had a toxic breakup. Oh Garrett's texting thing - orange/red flag. Trust in relationships is not given and it takes time to develop it, and then to maintain it. What he did was a bad move and I am sure it eroded some trust. I hope that he learns from it and does better by her in the future.
Alex was totally in the wrong for how she behaved, BUT Tim's transgressions were 100% significantly worse! Tim acts like a child who was never taught how to communicate or address conflict. Ever since the honeymoon when he was ready to drop her over that off-camera argument, and he had to be convinced to continue the relationship, I was very skeptical about his ability to get over himself. He went from "fully expecting this to be the last time they ever spoke" to asking her father for her hand in marriage to "I never want to see you again"?! Holy whiplash, Batman! This man is unstable and he doesn't want a partner, he wants a submissive woman who does what she's told. And that is not Alex! Ramses reminds me more and more of my ex the more I see of him. That soft "I totally understand you, but what about my penis tho?" Miss me with that! And why isn't Ramses inviting his family?! That man does not want to marry her. I think he's gonna say no at the altar. I'm so glad Nick and Hannah are over. That was a toxic relationship (and I don't throw that term around lightly.) Katie gave him more validation in 45 minutes than Hannah did in 4 weeks. She's too mean. I don't get why it's either "yes, those are my kids" or "no, those aren't my kids." Why is there no inbetween?! He could just as easily taken the road of "they call me Uncle Tyler." Hot take: I feel like Taylor's initial reaction to finding out Garrett's ex texted him dictated how much detail he wanted to give her. She got way too mad over just the idea of a text from an ex being received, and that might have made him want to refrain from giving any more detail. Unfortunately, that's what made her blow up. Mistakes were made, and lessons were learned. I forgive Garrett. (Also, it seemed he didn't show her the text immediately because he didn't have his phone on his person at that moment.) I personally would prefer my partner to have responded to a DM with a definite stance than to just "like" or "heart" it. No response leaves the door wide open. I'm with Deepti on this, tbh. In this situation, it was so innocuous that it wasn't worth mentioning. He's not entertaining the idea of getting back with his ex, so it literally doesn't matter.
Hannah is like having a life coach you didn’t hire and can’t fire.
That’s funny 😂
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Facts 😅😅😅
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How is Nick supposed to be attracted to Hannah when she treats him like that? She was straight up abusive.
THIS! I wonder if Nick started saying this stuff after he experienced how she was treating him. Because I feel like there was nothing during their reveal or honeymoon that shows Nick did not like what he saw.
They’re giving Hannah wayyyy too much grace lol
This is what I was thinking. If he was going around telling people she's ugly and bashing her looks to people, that's one thing. To not be attracted to someone who treats you so awful is another.
EXACTLY
This is my thought as well.
I was surprised Leo and Brittany weren't at the party. It would have been interesting to see Hannah and Leo meet.
Even though Nick may not have been attracted to Hannah he didn’t disrespect her on TV. He kept it respectful that’s the least she could’ve done and she wasn’t attracted to him either cause at their reveal she constantly mentioned him being shorter and not what she expected.
I think you guys are giving Hannah way too much credit 🤷♀️
She’s a bully.
“I’ll treat you like an equal when you contribute like an equal”. If a man said this, we would cancel them!
Edit: ok you guys are laying into her a bit more now 😂
Hannah’s abuse is very triggering for me 😅
This what I said yesterday to friends! If Hannah was a man the internet would cancel her with more fury. The talking about their sex life on tv was the big thing for me, so disrespectful to go behind your partners back and break trust smh. In general though there’s a lot of things she said that are just out of pocket.
Not excusing Hannah. But some might say Nick was abusive too. He was weaponising incompetence and that’s a lot to deal with if you are hyper-independent like Hannah. It’s kinda like well damn, here’s someone else I can’t rely on. Which in itself is emotional abuse and very disappointing if you are finally looking to put down your strong and self-reliant side. Remember she was on her own financially at 18.
@@rubyrivera7230and Hannah needs to be cancelled.
@@boitumelodibetso8719 while I hear you and ur so right saying weaponized incompetence is so incredibly toxic, I wouldn’t call it abusive like Hannah. It’s very obvious nick was raised boy parents and was shown literally nothing regarding the house, but I truly don’t think he was trying to tactically attack Hannah and belittle her. Yes, Hannah can look at his lack of knowledge and decide if it’s toxic/lessen her life. However, she intentionally used every moment she could to humiliate him to the point where he is viscerally scared of her. That big fight after the party proved her wrong after she verbally assaulted him, and she slithered away to sleep instead of apologizing. Then she had a brunch with her friends, complaining about him to nick. She had her friends do her dirty work. That is manipulation at its finest. The way I would never ever allow my friends into my relationship and criticize my partner. In summary, being unknowingly toxic and intentional abuse are two separate things. Sorry if this is a lot but Hannah is very triggering for me.
@@boitumelodibetso8719 I would get how that would be annoying, but we didn’t see examples of that at all. We saw him trying to help but needed someone to guide him. And it’s also not an excuse for her to be demeaning to him. She should have addressed the issue with him and delivered that message as such.
While Ramses may have a sympathetic and well-thought-out world view, in relationships he is selfish, egotistical and misogynist. He is not the feminist that he claims to be.
hit the nail right on the head !!!
Ramses is a stereotypical man, putting his needs before his partner and is a red flag hiding behind being progressive.
And I’m gonna say it, his hairstyle is fugly
Amen!!!!
Any time a man has needs he is considered misogynistic
Unpopular opinion but I actually find this season so interesting and entertaining even though most have said it’s the worst season but watching these recaps makes it sm better too!!
Same 😂 I actually love this season !!
@@milabertin-brugmann2660 omg I’m glad I’m not the only haha cause all I’ve seen is that people hate it but I find it soo good!😂
Yep same! To me season 6 was worst. No one I was rooting for or liked
Agree! loving it
I feel like this season is actually more realistic. People do not meet, fall in love, get married, and live happily ever after. There are complications and struggles and people not being compatible. I appreciate that this season explores more than "love" and we get a (decent) look at how intricate relationship actually are.
Ok, so we have this word here in Brazil that perfectly describes the type of man that Ramses is: "esquerdomacho" - a man who have leftist views and strong beliefs, call himself a feminist, etc, but when it come to relationships, is very much mysoginist and egocentric
Oh that’s so perfect.
Thank you for this new knowledge. I feel like those men are more dangerous because you don’t see it coming
Can we talk about how disrespectful Hannah is? I really hope she knows the power of words.
she's worse than Irina was and Irina was dragged. Hannahs the only person who talked smack about the s*x dynamic.
All this hate on Hannah is wild to me. Nick is a manchild who had no business being on LIB. He wasted her time. Her talking about her dissatisfaction sexually was messy, but I think she really thought she’s talking to a girlfriend and forgot she’s on a Netflix show.
They said it best, you can not be called mature and bash on someone like she does, or quit your responsibilities to go on a TV show that maybe (remember that not everyone does) you can find a husband. I agree that he is childish but as long as we saw he has not been verbally disrespectful to her. If she doesn’t have the energy or doesn’t see him as husband material she could’ve walked away, instead of trying to make him feel bad. There’s better ways to communicate your problems than that.
@@boitumelodibetso8719Nick is a manchild but it doesn’t justify such horrible treatment from Hannah and the fact that you’re trying to justify her toxic and disgusting behaviour says everything i need to know about you and I can label you in the same way!
she is abusive, plain and simple
Deepti looks so glowy and youthful with this hair 😍
Hannah was so uncomfortable to watch this season. Struggling in any way is not a right of passage to being a “true” adult and she strikes me as being jealous that Nick has continued to have what appears to be a healthy, loving and supportive family dynamic his whole life. I don’t think she thinks she did anything wrong to this day.
So Alex couldn't nap for an hour when she'd already spent 4 hours with Tim's parents? That seems extreme. I think Tim was out the moment he saw her apartment, but i wish he'd just said that instead of being so hurtful.
He just didn’t want to marry her. He was making excuses throughout.
I saw this comment on Jessie Woo’s thread from a nurse who hypothesized that Alex may be suffering from depression. She’s high functioning for the most part but the apartment being a mess is a sign and the exhaustion also. She probably has burnout from having sick parents. She needs therapy more than a relationship.
Her apartment as an absolute mess
I hate when people do diagnosis online of people they don't know any of the medical history. Sometimes people just need a nap lol. @vanydakhiev3910
@@vanydakhiev3910 She's definitely not high-functioning, if so. She's frequently tired / low-energy and barely takes care of herself.
I actually think you guys need to be a little more biased (deepti in particular)
Honestly no hate, I really love this podcast and them both and want to give this opinion in the most respectful way. But I sometimes feel like in attempt to give everyone the benefit of the doubt Deepti doesn’t always give an honest opinion and sometimes flipflops when Natalie has an opposing opinion too. Again honestly no shade! It’s just I think it would be nice to hear more direct opinions sometimes.
Second comment I see about this and I agree.
I think it’s cause she’s been where they are. I like how they balance each other out.
@@sabamehak_ wholeheartedly agree. I think they may be guarding their words because unlike us, they may actually find themselves in the same room with these people some day, so they’re being too polite.
While I do agree with @trellbee mostly, I think that sometimes people rush on here to see if they share the same strong opinions we might have, but that's not possible. Especially because these shows trigger diff things in diff people like Natalie mentioned. And there's nothing wrong with being objective. I appreciate Deepti because she does give people the benefit of the doubt until the whole story plays out. Even after her experience she seems unjaded in that sense.
When the internet came for Alex after the Mexico fight, she didn't say anything. When the internet came for Tim, he tried really hard to blame Alex and redirect the hate towards her. Which is what Deepti is speaking on in this episode. Even during interviews with magazines, Alex is careful to stay neutral when speaking about Tim where he is not. That speaks volumes about each one's character.
Tim is a walking red flag since the pods! Am I the only one who sees his? He seems to talk a lot but not listening and he is all about his own drama, he doesn’t care about anyone else than himself and his parents. It’s very sad what happen to him but he is stuck in it
Yes! We never see him inquire about how Alex is doing or express curiosity (I.e. why did you need a nap). He has a perspective that he needs to push forward and even when presented with alternative facts or additional information he is relentless in pursuing his end goal.
I was fooled - but I suspected Stephen from the beginning
I agree but Alex also seemed pretty lazy and indifferent out of the pods. They both weren't great in my opinion especially for each other 😂
mother of Tyler's babies spoke out... she sounds credible and def doesn't seem like someone trying to profit off of the show
I think you give Tyler too much credit! So apparently the sperm donor babies were actually conceived naturally as in through intercourse, while Tyler was engaged to someone else, and his then fiance didnt know he had done this & even attended a baby shower! & he ended up living with the mother and her kids for a while. For him to then cut off these kids when he decided to film LIB shows a lot about his character and those poor kids are going to grow up knowing he denied knowing them and reducing them to "sperm babies" !
Apparently, the oldest was a 'sperm' baby.The couple broke up, and then the twins were conceived.
Someone mentioned that because of all the lawsuits kinetic had to change the way they film so that maybe why we missed so much of what happened.
Alex did an interview and explained her napping. She even told his parents she was gonna take a quick nap and they didn’t mind. The parents also weren’t about to leave. There’s twitch sides to both stories. Alex said he cherry picked the texts. Both of them need to work on themselves. It’s hard to “pick” a side. This season is so conflicting because I don’t even like Alex lmao
I prefer this than watching the actual show 😂 this season is the worst
Watch Love is Blind Habibi 😅
Yeees. I watch LIB to listen to this Podcast 😂😂
SAAAAAME 😅
@@olilnevs2594 I’ve been thinking about trying it
Nahhhh…. This is not the worst season. The one with Milton (nothing against him just can’t rmb the other casts names 😅) is the worst
Tim is giving Zanab vibe. Remember what Zanab did? She was having lots of issues but chose to wait till the last moment to explode. Tim was having issues early on but didn't try to have conversations with Alex. If there are things he was not happy with, he should've totally leave early before meeting with her dad. I don't like Alex being so messy but I can see that why she has chronic fatigue issues and wants a nap. I don't think they're compatible. But it is healthy communication to let your partner know things you cannot tolerate. Alex is probably someone really self-centered and not mature. But Tim could just let her know how much he values family and cleanliness. Maybe he did communicate off cameras but he could also leave in a polite way.
I can’t believe how much I liked Ramses in the beginning and HOW MUCH i DISLIKE HIM now lol… wild
SAME
Hasn’t Garrett not been in a relationship for 7 years? If this ex texting him after such a long time its either nothing or kinda weird and there is more to it
How could nick be attracted to someone treating him that way. Don't blame him at all
Hannah made it clear in every episode that she was not attracted to him as well.
They act like she didnt @@tpatricem5218
The fact that nick may not have been attracted to Hannah but never once insulted her, speaks volumes about him. He could have met her BS energy and things would have been so different. Call me crazy...
Watching Hannah constantly degrade and belittle Nick made me feel sick. If you’ve seen or experienced emotional abuse in your life, you’ll understand exactly who she is and what she’s doing. I had to speed up those scenes because it was painful to watch. Poor Nick.
Hey Ramses, meet your hand! You don’t even need to wear a glove! 😂 Seriously though, all longterm partners experience out of sync times for intimacy and he’d be best off offering to help her (tea? Hot water bottle? Comfort food?), put more energy into wedding planning and then rub one out if he’s still in the mood but she isn’t. It reads as a heightened need for fusion, you can still satisfy your own needs in a partnership if/when your partner is out of commission. I think Ramses might’ve been sexually needy in relationships before and experienced being iced out by his partner, but he’s not looking at himself and what is reasonable, nor is he communicating his concerns in a healthy way, because I think we can see a glimmer of what he’s trying to say but it’s cloaked in so much need and so many unrealistic expectations. He just dumps 100% of his needs on Marissa, which is exactly what she said she didn’t want in a partnership. If you can’t take a couple of nights off spicy times, marriage may not be for you. It’s about more than sex, and the worst is she’d likely get back in the mood faster if he helped with the other things that are stressing her out rather than just adding his raw boners to her plate of stuff to do!
Exactly. For me he is the worst with Tyler.
But then women get upset when men watch porn
Just because Alex hasn’t stated that she has a medical condition doesn’t mean she shouldn’t be able to take a nap. BOTH of her parents have MS and fatigue is a symptom of that so she could potentially be experiencing early symptoms without a diagnosis yet. She’s put out her side in a few interviews and it really changed my initial perspective about the problems between her and Tim.
I was thinking this too! She needs to get checked out if she hasn’t.
Could also be a thyroid condition or simply iron deficiency. She even said that she just gets very tired and doesn't know why.
That could be true, and if so, I truly hope she tends to her health. Beyond that, she apparently has issues with doing anything. All the cooking Tim/Drake did for her parents and she asked HIM to get their plates? She couldn't get off her butt and help him fix the plates? She couldn't do the dishes after he cooked again? She couldn't be bothered to clean her place before Netflix and her fiance showed up? She half-heartedly hugged his family while keeping one hand in her pocket the whole time? People are going in on Tim, but something's off with her, too.
I'm sorry what m.s. stands for?
@@liveyourlifefreemultiple sclerosis
tim was rude point blank. the yellow shirt thing was a huge red flag and i’m not surprised it didn’t work. Alex has her own set of problems but he was so nasty during that last conversation
Tim's parents were going to be there for a few days... and Alex had somewhere to go that night, she also said she told the parents before she took a nap. And takeing a nap after talking for 4 hrs haaa i would've been exhausted too.Yes Alex is flawed but Tim is awful!
I feel like Tim is controlling the narrative. I think he preferred not to have discussions or arguments on camera. That was why the break up conversation was surprised to her.
I don't know much about MS, but I did see comments on social media about MS. With Alex saying that multiple members in her family have MS, some people seem to think that excessive sleepyness may be an earlu symptom? It's important to remember that not everyone can work through things without extra sleep, even if we don't necessarily know if they have an actual disease or not. What if she ends up having it and we judge her for this? Doesn't seem fair at all
People are always going to judge from a neurotypical/good health standpoint.
Yes, and even if she didn't have MS, depression, low iron/anemia, thyroid issues (all speculation), why can't she nap, esp when she told him that she worked all day (AND had to travel to his house bc he isn't staying in the shared apartment)?
There definitely is a lot of context missing with Alex & Tim. Y’all should look into the interviews Alex did with vulture and people to get a little more of her side as well. It’s clear they are not compatible. Tim comes across petty and purposeful in his rudeness whereas Alex’s faults seem more like she’s being herself but the actions are atypical and come off as inconsiderate.
THANK YOU! Gosh everyone’s so hard on her
The truth came out, he had twins with Bri, after they had Cairo. So those twins were theres, they made a baby and lived together....
Theirs*
I’m proud to say I never liked Ramses 😂 I feel like it represents my healing as a previously abused person. I could see his manipulation a mile away, but I have worked so hard to not take the bait. He’s disgusting.
Since his first scene, I’ve been making squinty suspicious eyes at him. Never trusted him😒😒😒
I just want to add to the Marissa and Ramses situation as someone who lives in dc, Marissa's commute is now like 3 hours since shes going from dc and Baltimore. I'm sure she's mentally spent compared to her normal commute. Honestly even Nick, Alex etc may be affected as they probably cast DC, Maryland and Virginia and thats like traveling across Texas.
Alex sitting at the counter starting to eat knowing Tim wanted to have a serious conversation and then continuing to eat and putting on such a deliberate IDGAF look was all I needed to know about her. I don't understand all the hate he's getting. It's clearly an accumulation of her being thoughtless and immature that broke the camels back for him. I also clocked her keeping her hands in her pockets when his mom went to hug her... I would've noticed that IMMEDIATELY. Her whole aura has been giving slobby brat.
She was totally blindsided. How would she know it’s a serious conversation.
If u give hannah grace then u gotta give same to nick. That girl isn't insecure she's mean asf. Also hannah isn't attracted to nick either nd has told literally everyone. She's not real. She's just a meanie yall keep sugar coating things for the ladies nd keep dehumanising the men. Smdh
Ramses situation completely triggered me too. I felt so disgusted by him. Let us breathe and pms in peace jeez. If it is going to be a problem in future then I don’t see a future.
Ok about the nap thing:
Maybe it has something to do with where you are on the spectrum of introvert->extrovert, but personally I’d be socially exhausted after spending 4hr with anyone, let alone meeting the family with cameras on.
At the very least he should have explained his feelings about that time to her and given her the chance to make that sacrifice. I could see myself in the same position as Alex and totally blindsided that it was such a big deal. Watching the way he blew up "out of nowhere" made me think he’d been out for a while and was just waiting for a reason to pin the breakup on.
I lost my son to suicide last December. He had been bullied somewhat at different points of his life. He is f23. BUT, I was definitely surprised at the amount of people who texted, messaged, and showed up at his service; people I didn't know. So I agree with Deepti on people showing love after the fact. 💙💜
I’m deeply sorry for your loss.
I'm so sorry about your kiddo.
@@PenelopeAstony I am! And there's been so much beauty in it.
@@Skrtbrrpurrr thank you!
Sorry for your lost, may you find Peace
I don’t know if I’m looking too deep but when Alex met Tim’s parents I noticed she didn’t really make an effort to make dinner for them, give them a gift ect..I feel like she also was out of it. Idk if that’s just her personality or maybe the editing? They just didn’t seem connected to me outside the pods.
I find it interesting that Nick not being attracted to Hannah is such a big deal. The reason these people get engaged on the show is because they are attracted to their partner’s personality, communication style, values, how they are treating others, etc. right? I think it’s the same way in terms of later on. Once they “see” who the person really is in real life. I think that Hannah’s facade was dropped, and she started being extremely cruel. I don’t know how you can be attracted to someone who treats you like that. She talks about getting “the ick” from the dorky things he does, but she makes me sick in talking to him like that. So it might not even be physical attraction that he’s talking about. Also, I think he’s afraid to be honest with her. Speaking from experience, it’s really hard to be honest with people who are emotionally and psychologically abusive.
You guys are way too soft on hannah, if the roles were reversed and Nick was emotionally absuing hannah youd be furious and calling for his head.
Deepti of all people should understand what Nick went through with her experience with Shake and how he treated her.
And there was nothing wrong with Nick duck racing with that lady 🤷♀️
It might be me but I found it super cringy and weird. And not being respectful to your partner by flirting back with the old lady
Unpopular opinion everyone should be allowed to rest when they need it without a medical condition. Many sensitive people get drained/overstimulated easily and need to rest their bodies. Coffee doesn't help in these situations. Especially for neurodivergents, I have adhd coffee just makes me more tired. I'd rather give the people I'm with my full attention and energy rather than being so drained that I have to fake being happy to be around them. I've been forced so many times to socialize when I didn't have the bandwidth but now I always put my health first.
I still don’t think Alex is wrong. An hour isn’t long.
With all due respect Deepti and Natalie, I know it isn’t intentional on your part but you completely overlook the fact that both of Alex’s parents have MS. Please research the symptoms of MS for women. Maybe it will give you some insight into some of Alex’s moods and actions, including the sleepiness. Alex has not indicated a diagnosis of MS for herself, but it is very likely that she has MS traits. And, Alex could be developing the disorder in her body unaware. I even thought about this when Alex first discussed her parent’s illness in the pods. I think we all need to give Alex some grace.
Right?? Getting mad at her taking a nap for 1 hour and Deepti Natalie justifying Tim's behavior is nuts!! I got frustrated with this video. They are missing the mark!
Tim was justified, Alex is a lazy deadweight that didn’t put in the effort, Tim was right to take out the trash and Alex is trash.
Not y'all trying to find a way to be on Hannah's side. You know Hannah didn't know he was saying that stuff because she would have flat out asked him. Hate that you tried to lead with that.
Tim and Alex are texting because they're not living in the shared apartment together. I hope they address that at the reunion bc it would impact their dynamics.
I hate unbiased reviews!!! You subscribe to specific content because you want to hear a specific point of view. The creators that work so hard to argue both sides are my least favorite reviews. Your lens is your lens. I want to hear your lens guys.
Agreed.
She took a ONE hour nap guys, I don’t think there’s anything disrespectful or inconsiderate about that 😭
If your in-laws travel 10 hours to meet you and you take a 1 hour nap during the short time they are there, that is incredibly disrespectful. But to each his own.
It’s not about the nap, Alex didn’t like or respect this man and she got what she deserved, I’m team Tim.
@@AlexandraLF23 they were there for days. I think it’s ok she took a nap for an hour
Someone on Reddit said Alex also was a bartender and worked at night. So I don’t think a 1 hour nap is negative in that context.
You ladies hit the nail on the head. Alex was inconsiderate to Tim over and over again. A lot of people online are coming to her defense. But the truth is this- is why Tim knew in his gut that Alex was not compatible for him. Consideration/respect are qualities that were very important to him, and I feel like he articulated that in so many ways.
I'm really disappointed in the way you underplayed the obvious and blatant abuse that Nick is suffering at the hands of Hannah ON SCREEN. Yet you guys are speculating on nefarious reasons explaining why he is not attracted to her and its almost as if you're implying that ye deserves it. Why would he be attracted to someone thay berates him all the time?
Natalie's fight response arc began when that coupon didn't work at the grocery store.
Hahahaha love that you remembered this for us
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I’M CACKLING 😂😂😂😂
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Hannah is the bigger baby between the two of them! Talking down to someone isn’t a sign of maturity lol
My predictions so far: Taylor and Garett - will get married
Ashley and Tyler - will get married
Marissa and Ramses - Marissa will say no
I think Tyler and Ashley got married as well which is why Tyler was completely avoiding seeing the kids. I was hoping Ashley said no but I don't see why else Tyler would go from seeing his kids the day before leaving to acting as if they dont exist. I think he was trying to hide it from Ashley but I hope she said no.
Deepti - A Lie By Omission is the worst form of Lying.
Also Deepti - Doesn't seem to have an issue that Tyler Lied By Omission regarding his kids while in the pods, on the honeymoon, while talking about having kids, or any other time they were together.
I caught that! Very wierd.
Deepti is always forgiving all of the red flags of every single red flag guy! Lol like girl! She also said you don't have to tell your partner everything" but they literally just got together! Is the honeymoon phase and he's already lying!!!
Someone make a compilation of Deepti ignoring all the red flags!! It's on every out of the pods episode
Tyler doesn’t deserve to marry Ashley! He lied over and over. Deceitful. Feel sorry for those kids when they’re older and see what he did.
The responses are actually often more varied than just fight or flight… The Fs are fight, flight, freeze or fawn (some now also include a 5th - flop). Many people don’t know the last two and they are also quite common in threatening or traumatic situations. Women especially can sometimes be hard on themselves for freezing up or for cozying up to an attacker in a dangerous situation, so it’s helpful to spread awareness that these are also very common responses to threats. In an ideal world we could pock the approach that best suits the situation, but as these are usually fairly immediate knee-jerk reactions to very negative stimuli most of is have a go-to based on our trauma response. Mine is freeze, and I’ve come to embrace it as it gives me time to process what’s happening.
Ramses gives me chills, the type of chills abusers give me….. hopefully I’m wrong.
Garrett's problem for me was that he told the friends something different than he told her.. makes her look dumb. Deepti, in your season if Shake represented his interaction with his ex differently to you than everybody else on set, girl you would not have been cool lol
Chelsea did a pooor job of casting 👀
Deepti I think that your take on not needing to know every little thing that goes on in your partners day to day is so beautiful. It shows how confident and trusting you are. I personally am more like Natalie and I would want to know but I wish I could be more like you and have that less controlling mindset. I really love this pod cast!!!
The mom came out and showed that the twins were a whole different situation. Her video is out there and she seems so honest. I believe her.
How is no one talking about both of Alex’s parents having MS and faitage is a MAJOR symptom of MS? That's the only thing I thought of when I heard she needed to nap, you can't always control how tired you are.
After I listened to Alex’s interview it made a lot of sense to me her behavior. You should read it. Not that she did everything great, but I also understood a lot more. She fills in the gaps
Garrett tells Taylor he got a message from ex and Taylors response was bigger than he expected. Garrett not thinking the text was a big deal withhold info to move on from it. It's something we men do.
Lying and deleting the messages is a red flag.
I agree. I like Taylor but I do worry that Garret will tiptoe around her. I think Garrett is moving to San Diego and I think he’s making huge changes. So far everything seems on Taylor’s terms and I think that she hasn’t been tested in having to make a big sacrifice for the relationship.
Thanks for your perception as a male. I just couldn't understand why he didn't tell her the whole story.
As someone with a chronic illness, I would have needed a nap after 4 hours of filming. Alex could have then spent the rest of the evening with Tim's family. Did Tim ask her to skip the nap? It didn't seem like he did.
I wonder how Hannah’s story would’ve played out if she chose Leo instead, it would’ve probably been super toxic but I think she would’ve been perceived differently since I
think Leo would’ve been the “villain” in the relationship.
Hannah is an abuser. Let’s be honest, if a man spoke with a woman like she did to Nick he would be called an abuser, so let’s not sugarcoat what she did. It seemed like Nick was not enough for her.
Its really sad that we really try to rationalise obvious abuse. Finding reasons for why is just outrageous. Why are you saying that Nick says things and does things he doesn't believe....whats that got to do with him being abused ? You're kind of brushing over it. If a man spoke to a woman like this, we'd scream abuse but when it's a man, we don't ?! Now he's a people pleaser ? Now he's fake ? What about judging Hannah for the abuser she is ? WHY ON EARTH WOULD HE BE ATTRACTED TO SOMEONE THAT ABUSES HIM ?
Agreed.
Deepti, you are really frustrating me with how much you are trying to see the best in Tyler and Garret. A lie is a lie is a lie. Unacceptable. I worry for you that you still are so empathetic to these terrible men.
Taylor also mentioned that she was upset he didn’t bring this up all day when he had a chance to, and decided to drop it on her right before the party. That would annoy me too!!! He could have done it earlier in the day and they could have discussed it off camera if he wanted to. I think he told her shortly before being on camera so she didn’t have a chance to truly react 🤷🏻♀️
I feel like Tim have had enough with wher. He was tired of her not showing any actions or even words into this relationship…
No one is ever gonna want to date Hannah after watching her abusive behavior on this show.
Hannah made herself undatable.
Y'all spent a lot of time praising an abuser.
They really did. It's actually gross. I'm SO disappointed. Had it been a woman on the receiving end, they would have changed their tune.
@@GirlyEnglishGamerI was talking about Liam from One Direction
Hannah is a mean girl! He didn’t deserve any of that. If she didn’t like him then she should’ve removed herself from the relationship. But she is like this in everyday life. She needs therapy.
Hannah is a 💩show, how she got past casting i will never know.
When it comes to Ramses he was doing all the right things. He is communicating his needs in a respectful manner while also respecting her boundaries. He literally says I never want you to feel pressured. Some women just struggle with the Idea of men having needs. People are talking about how men don’t understand women, but I don’t think that women understand that when men have high sex drives, the only way for them to release it in a healthy way is with sex. When the one persons who is supposed to want you tells you that they don’t even want to touch you, it can become world shattering. The urge for sex is stronger with men so you should understand that a sexless marriage is more devastating for men
Why were Alex and Tim not sleeping together in their appartement?
I'm not surprised Nick didn't find Hannah attractive, how could he, look at how she treats him?!
Wait, how old are you 2?? I'm 35 and felt really old when you said 1D was the boy band of your generation 😂 i was definitely all for Nsync and Backstreet boys in elementary school
Deepti, your friends defend you bc they feel the same way about you as you do about your parents. My best friend was in an abusive relationship and I stood up to the guy when he was screaming at her, and he punched me in the side of the head. I'd do it again, everyday, to protect my friend🤍
Hannah's behavior is disgusting. Just because Nick isn't the ideal person to marry does not mean at all that she should be let off the hook.
Y’all nailed it… I think Nick was just trying to get through filming, and survive with the best image possible. He looked miserable. He was stuck in the situation and just getting beat up.
I'm sorry, I had to skip the Liam Payne segment. I'm still so sad, I just can't wrap my head around it.
Tyler - the older child was the only one born as a “sperm donation” and still Tyler ended up fighting for custody and won, taking custody from baby-momma’s ex wife. The twins were born after baby momma and her ex were no longer together at all, and baby momma and Tyler were living together. The twins were full on his from conception. This is all alleged but “story time with Ricky” pulled out all the receipts…👀
Tim should have broken up with Alex in Mexico when she crossed the line.
Their relationship was never repaired.
Then he shone with her parents and she just showed up for his.
This is the first time I've heard the Nick part about telling people he didn't find Hannah attractive. He's definitely immature in a lot of ways regarding relationships so this doesn't surprise me. Hannah basically told the cameras that she was not attracted to Nick initially and I wouldn't be surprised if she wasn't also "faking" her sudden change of attraction toward Nick for the cameras. I would be interested to know when Nick told people he was not attracted to Hannah as I would give him more grace if it happened after she made that list since I do think that's something that can lower someone's attractiveness, but he also felt like he had to keep telling her he was for both the cameras and fear of what Hannah might say to him. I definitely felt like both Hannah and Nick were aware of the cameras throughout where Nick tried to always say the right thing and Hannah tried to show her concerns about Nick constantly in the hopes that the other person would get the villain edit.
Just like Tim and Alex, they should never have been together, they should have never joined this show, and I hope they both grow from this experience.
I agree with deepti I think trust is trust and you don’t need to tell your partner everything. Not that your hiding things it’s just not necessary if you both trust each other.
Gaslighting is a serious form of abuse that usually takes place over months or years. Getting mixed up in conversations and telling white lies can be bad or offensive behaviour, but please can we save gaslighting for victims of abuse? (Actually, tbf, the ship has sailed... Us abuse victims probably just need to find new words as these old ones mean something different now... language is always evolving and I can make peace with that haha. It's just weird after being convinced of a completely separately reality over a series of years to think think that these are the same thing.)
This! 💯 Same goes for narcissism and all the other psychological terms and diagnoses that are being thrown around.
@@zimtapfel yes ❤️mental health awareness was meant to make people more aware thus kinder towards these issues. Instead there's so much misinformation that the awareness has turned into something really quite offensive and diminishes the effects of real abuse and real illnesses.
1:02:05 my ex texted me, (he was a 🚩) and I told him very strongly that I was not interested in him and was very happily engaged… I was soooo divided on if I should tell my fiancé or not, but I just didn’t because it wasn’t a big deal, he wouldn’t care.
We ride for Garrett❤ he’s an amazing man. No one is perfect, not even you two
I'm so glad you provided some clarification on Tim/Alex's situation! I've heard others questioning Tim leaving Alex over her taking a nap. There's so little time & making an impression without cameras rolling is crucial to the foundation of these relationships!
Depti, I adore you, but man, supporting a dead beat dad who has abandoned his kids? 😨
18:13 He didnt allow her to speak?!?! It was 1000% the other way around! She was interrupting, being rude, immature. I'm so glad he dumped her
Omg YES to your interpretation on Hannah and Nick.
If he really wanted her, I think he would’ve fought for her a little more. When she would go off on him, his face would be blank like he was disassociating & just trying to get thru the show.
Responding in any substantive way would risk Nick being portrayed negatively. So Hannah kept filling the void bc he wasn’t really asking anything of her. He wanted her to end it so he didn’t have to.
Hannah did not handle herself well, but I think she was trying to push some emotional reaction out of him bc he really was soooo blasé out of the pods. But, maybe that was bc Hannah dumped on him so much he just was over it very early on.
Hannah continually saying “I’m a direct person” says to me hmm nah you’re socially unaware or intentionally hurtful. Everything she said on her little list was projection of HERSELF.
I like that you share your thoughts. Don't be unbiased it would be boring. Your podcast and Psychology in Seattle are my favorites and ones I look forward to.
Natalis, you were right!!! Sadly so.... the season sucks and Ramses is not a dating material, Stephen appears like he has a sexual addiction problem, Tyler is a master liar, and Tim and Alex had a toxic breakup. Oh Garrett's texting thing - orange/red flag. Trust in relationships is not given and it takes time to develop it, and then to maintain it. What he did was a bad move and I am sure it eroded some trust. I hope that he learns from it and does better by her in the future.
I wonder if Ashley knew everything off-camera and decided not to share details on camera.
For a second, I thought Deepti had braids and I was feeling the look. 🤣
Alex was totally in the wrong for how she behaved, BUT Tim's transgressions were 100% significantly worse! Tim acts like a child who was never taught how to communicate or address conflict. Ever since the honeymoon when he was ready to drop her over that off-camera argument, and he had to be convinced to continue the relationship, I was very skeptical about his ability to get over himself. He went from "fully expecting this to be the last time they ever spoke" to asking her father for her hand in marriage to "I never want to see you again"?! Holy whiplash, Batman! This man is unstable and he doesn't want a partner, he wants a submissive woman who does what she's told. And that is not Alex!
Ramses reminds me more and more of my ex the more I see of him. That soft "I totally understand you, but what about my penis tho?" Miss me with that! And why isn't Ramses inviting his family?! That man does not want to marry her. I think he's gonna say no at the altar.
I'm so glad Nick and Hannah are over. That was a toxic relationship (and I don't throw that term around lightly.) Katie gave him more validation in 45 minutes than Hannah did in 4 weeks. She's too mean.
I don't get why it's either "yes, those are my kids" or "no, those aren't my kids." Why is there no inbetween?! He could just as easily taken the road of "they call me Uncle Tyler."
Hot take: I feel like Taylor's initial reaction to finding out Garrett's ex texted him dictated how much detail he wanted to give her. She got way too mad over just the idea of a text from an ex being received, and that might have made him want to refrain from giving any more detail. Unfortunately, that's what made her blow up. Mistakes were made, and lessons were learned. I forgive Garrett. (Also, it seemed he didn't show her the text immediately because he didn't have his phone on his person at that moment.) I personally would prefer my partner to have responded to a DM with a definite stance than to just "like" or "heart" it. No response leaves the door wide open. I'm with Deepti on this, tbh. In this situation, it was so innocuous that it wasn't worth mentioning. He's not entertaining the idea of getting back with his ex, so it literally doesn't matter.