As a somewhat older noob, I appreciate the way you present your material. Too many TH-camrs employ the humble brag approach that kind of wears thin. Thank you for the invaluable advice, and for not trying to sell us an "Art Of..." online class.
Thanks for watching and the kind words - I feel as if I have so much more to learn and improve, so nothing to really brag about just yet. Maybe when I'm 80.
I love the point about long held shots. I often think of that cheesy bit in the film Gladiator where he is shouting “Hoooooold! Hooooolllld!!” When I am trying to remind myself to just, hold, shots. I love a meditative and deep story, and you need those kinds of shots, not a montage.
Excellent suggestions and commentary. Personally, I'm a big fan of sound design in place of music when it supports the story and mood. I don't know if you ever played the horror game "Silent Hill" or saw the movie adapted from the game. But, in the game, there was little to no music. Just sound design and occasional cries of unseen creatures. Which made the game creepy to play. In the movie version, they completely replaced the sound design with your atypical Hollywood soundtrack. Which, in my experience of the movie, completely lost the creepiness of the environments and the story that was captured in the game. Thank you for your ideas. They are just what I needed to hear.
The girl in the movie is beautiful. She has a very natural way about her. And a nice voice. Her presence did some heavy lifting. The shots were excellent! The matching of the Canon shots to the drone shots are really well done.
Adam Stone's work in "The Last Narc" absolutely blew me away. As compelling a story as that is, I could barely concentrate on it because the interviews were so stunningly shot.
Good tips, Curren. I would add to the topic of tone. The tone is a subtle killer when it's off. My experience creating music and writing lyrics showed me the power of having elements match or complement each other. Whether pairing music with lyrics or camera movement with story, the tone has to fit, or it feels off.
Really good points Curren, thanks for sharing! I would also include color grading. I feel the grade can help enhance the feel and tone of the whole piece.
That is definitely tree. Even if the cinematography is great but the film is bad, not many people are going to notice how great of a job you did. Finding great collaborators (or directing yourself!) is definitely a big leg up.
One other very effective ways to improve your cinematography is to watch Curren's video here on his channel !!! Thanks a lot for sharing your professional insights and techniques... :-)
A question for you: you mentioned that King Coal is available to watch on POV, but according to their website it’s no longer available. Will the August VOD streaming option you mentioned in the description be through POV again or somewhere else? Thanks!
I thought it was, but they only streamed it for a month! I thought it was longer - but the VOD will be on all the major platforms where you can rent movies (Apple, Amazon, etc). I'll do another couple King Coal-adjacent videos, so check back then.
I'm sorry, but your advice is, apart from: fit the cinematography to a story (as said already by cinematographers many times over) and pay special attention to location scouting, is to work with great/good director, editor, sound designer and composer... Any advice how to do that? Again, I'm sorry for my tone, but your title was: IMPROVE your cinematography... not Why your cinematography doesn't stand out... or something similar.
I believe he intended the title "Improve your cinematography WITHOUT FILMING anything" to mean that once you have filmed your footage, you can improve it in post with music, sound design, etc. Just my thoughts, but I could be wrong.
@@RayProductionsDRA I know what he meant... but, maybe I'm a remnant of the old days when cinematographer was one of the jobs involved in the fimmaking process. There are many others, director, creative producer, etc. The job of the cinematographer was, and still is, I hope, attached (I'm sorry for my vad english) to a visual part... The decisions about the sound, editing, etc was in the hands of a director. Yes, a final product, a movie, can be elevated or ruined by the wrong decissions in that regard but it doesn't have anything to do with cinematography. That is why I have problem with the title How to improve your CINEMATOGRAPHY... BTW, don't get me wrong I do agree with everything said minus attaching it to the cinematography part.
@@CurrenSheldonAs I replied above, I agree with everything you said (except the title), and thank you for it, but maybe I'm mistaken about the role of cinematographer, could be language difference or you use the title in different way than I do. In my country the cinematographer and DP are the same. Maybe the roles have changed, although I've not seen such a thing in my work. Please, can you tell me what the role of cinematographer is in the US?
@@sbozinovic Yes, I definitely see what you mean. I think maybe a better title might have not included the word "Cinematography" as it sort of makes it sound as though the video is about how to make the actual process of filming better, not how to make your shots look even better by adding things in post.
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As a somewhat older noob, I appreciate the way you present your material. Too many TH-camrs employ the humble brag approach that kind of wears thin. Thank you for the invaluable advice, and for not trying to sell us an "Art Of..." online class.
Thanks for watching and the kind words - I feel as if I have so much more to learn and improve, so nothing to really brag about just yet. Maybe when I'm 80.
Wow. That's brilliant. Well done team.
Wonderful approach.
I love the point about long held shots. I often think of that cheesy bit in the film Gladiator where he is shouting “Hoooooold! Hooooolllld!!” When I am trying to remind myself to just, hold, shots. I love a meditative and deep story, and you need those kinds of shots, not a montage.
Haha I also have that voice in my head from that exact same scene! haha - that's amazing.
You tell good stories too. It’s hard to click away from this video even though I’ve got work to do.
I appreciate the kind comment and for watching.
Oh my goodness I totally want to see this film and I’d love to learn more about the process
Going to be on VOD soon - I'll do some more videos about it when it is released.
Excellent suggestions and commentary. Personally, I'm a big fan of sound design in place of music when it supports the story and mood.
I don't know if you ever played the horror game "Silent Hill" or saw the movie adapted from the game. But, in the game, there was little to no music. Just sound design and occasional cries of unseen creatures. Which made the game creepy to play. In the movie version, they completely replaced the sound design with your atypical Hollywood soundtrack. Which, in my experience of the movie, completely lost the creepiness of the environments and the story that was captured in the game.
Thank you for your ideas. They are just what I needed to hear.
Oh man, Silent Hill and Resident Evil still give me nightmares from my childhood. Maybe that's why I can't watch horror movies these days...
The girl in the movie is beautiful. She has a very natural way about her. And a nice voice. Her presence did some heavy lifting. The shots were excellent! The matching of the Canon shots to the drone shots are really well done.
We had a great colorist!
Thank you for sharing your thoughst so eloquently. Very spot-on and timely for me in my filmmaking journey. I really enjoy your work.
Glad it was helpful and thanks for watching!
Adam Stone's work in "The Last Narc" absolutely blew me away. As compelling a story as that is, I could barely concentrate on it because the interviews were so stunningly shot.
Oh I haven't seen that! Will need to check it out.
Good tips, Curren. I would add to the topic of tone. The tone is a subtle killer when it's off.
My experience creating music and writing lyrics showed me the power of having elements match or complement each other. Whether pairing music with lyrics or camera movement with story, the tone has to fit, or it feels off.
100% - it's so important to have everything fit together tonally.
Brilliant!
What an excellent video, thank you!
Thanks for watching!
Really good points Curren, thanks for sharing! I would also include color grading. I feel the grade can help enhance the feel and tone of the whole piece.
100% - color grading should definitely be on the list. I'll add it to the next video :)
My second video here. Great advice man, specially for a novice like me :). I actually understand what you mean. Thanks for keeping it down to earth.
You got it! I like to keep it simple, do the work, learn the lessons, get back out there. Glad you found it helpful!
A cinematographer friend of myn said he’s rarely ever won an award with a bad director. The vision makes the film!
That is definitely tree. Even if the cinematography is great but the film is bad, not many people are going to notice how great of a job you did. Finding great collaborators (or directing yourself!) is definitely a big leg up.
@@CurrenSheldon like your wife, I love directing!
@@laughingbuddhafilms haha good! And hey, you’re an AOD member! Great group.
@@CurrenSheldon yep, it is a great group. I’m thankful for everything I’m learning! Always learning :)
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One other very effective ways to improve your cinematography is to watch Curren's video here on his channel !!! Thanks a lot for sharing your professional insights and techniques... :-)
Aw thanks so much! I appreciate that.
A question for you: you mentioned that King Coal is available to watch on POV, but according to their website it’s no longer available. Will the August VOD streaming option you mentioned in the description be through POV again or somewhere else? Thanks!
I thought it was, but they only streamed it for a month! I thought it was longer - but the VOD will be on all the major platforms where you can rent movies (Apple, Amazon, etc). I'll do another couple King Coal-adjacent videos, so check back then.
@@CurrenSheldon Thanks, I’ll look for it in the future.
I'm sorry, but your advice is, apart from: fit the cinematography to a story (as said already by cinematographers many times over) and pay special attention to location scouting, is to work with great/good director, editor, sound designer and composer...
Any advice how to do that?
Again, I'm sorry for my tone, but your title was: IMPROVE your cinematography... not Why your cinematography doesn't stand out... or something similar.
I believe he intended the title "Improve your cinematography WITHOUT FILMING anything" to mean that once you have filmed your footage, you can improve it in post with music, sound design, etc. Just my thoughts, but I could be wrong.
Nailed it.
@@RayProductionsDRA I know what he meant... but, maybe I'm a remnant of the old days when cinematographer was one of the jobs involved in the fimmaking process. There are many others, director, creative producer, etc. The job of the cinematographer was, and still is, I hope, attached (I'm sorry for my vad english) to a visual part... The decisions about the sound, editing, etc was in the hands of a director.
Yes, a final product, a movie, can be elevated or ruined by the wrong decissions in that regard but it doesn't have anything to do with cinematography.
That is why I have problem with the title How to improve your CINEMATOGRAPHY...
BTW, don't get me wrong I do agree with everything said minus attaching it to the cinematography part.
@@CurrenSheldonAs I replied above, I agree with everything you said (except the title), and thank you for it, but maybe I'm mistaken about the role of cinematographer, could be language difference or you use the title in different way than I do. In my country the cinematographer and DP are the same. Maybe the roles have changed, although I've not seen such a thing in my work. Please, can you tell me what the role of cinematographer is in the US?
@@sbozinovic Yes, I definitely see what you mean. I think maybe a better title might have not included the word "Cinematography" as it sort of makes it sound as though the video is about how to make the actual process of filming better, not how to make your shots look even better by adding things in post.
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