Bro 20 hours is nothing in Dota 2. Hell I was constantly learning even after 1000+ hours, so many mechanics are there that takes a lot of practice to get use to and time them well. And regarding Dota+, thats just useful for new players but now as I am sitting with over 6K hours it feels like it doesn’t even matter as it’ll be like a muscle memory with all the counter picks, situational item builds etc. I now buy Dota+ just to showcase what level of hero I have. Also as it’s the only game I play most of the time, $5 a month ain’t that much of an amount to invest just for fun.
Wdym you have to grind a hell of a long time to reach lvl 30 mastery this rank does not mean anythhing its just visual plus you get some voice lines you can master a hero even without using dota+ i dont understand what you are complaining about? and how can you make a review after 20 hours xD i played almost 1000 hours now and i still dont know all by far actually there is so much to learn in this game its not for casual gamers who want to ff after 15 min because they had a bad laning phase (im talking about league players) and then spam ff everytime you can vote
100hrs for ranked is to prevent smurfing being easy , you can always mute ppl , toxic ppl are everywhere + before 200 games you shouldn't play ranked anyways , you don't even know 10% of dota at that point , dota+ is optional an a lot of ppl use it and its worth it and dota+ recommendations aren't good , really basic, nowadays theres a lot of tools to learn dota too so I dont see any valid points here , you are just complaining my friend , think it through you might just not like it.
3:54 100 hours might even be too small of a barrier - it really does take a while to naturally learn just raw knowledge about the game like abilities, map locations, items, etc; let alone how to strategize around that information. You phrased crossing that barrier as your main goal, to the point that you won't play the game if it doesn't bring you closer to it, and I really don't understand why. Ranked is just a more toxic version of unranked. Tbh, if you don't like playing dota for the fun of it, stop playing. The community has enough people that have forgotten that video games are for fun. (Also, I'll let you in on a little secret, unranked is still ranked, they just don't tell you your mmr, valve did this so that games can still be close and fun instead of endless stomps). About the dota plus thing. I like the cosmetic monetization system, because its the only one that makes free to play profitable without it being a p2w mess. That being said, I completely agree with your comments on the advice part of dota plus. Its just straight up an advantage. Valve clearly wants to add p2w as much as possible without it actually being p2w, which sucks. Back in the day, when the Techies arcana released the players threw a massive fit that it gave the hero a cosmetic ability, to the point that valve actually made a real ability for everyone - people just cared that much about it being a fair experience. But I don't think people care about dota nowadays. (not that I ever personally cared, lol) The lack of knowledge from the community that you've witnessed is from 2 reasons: 1. You're new, so you queued with new players (if you got queued with better players it would not be fun, you'd get your shit kicked in); 2. Dota is not "maintained" by valve and their patches as you said, it is constantly reinvented. The map is regularly changed, the heroes are constantly rebalanced (or completely redesigned if valve feels like it), items are changed, added, removed. A player that played dota 5 years ago would be clueless today outside of the basics. Facets, innates, neutral items, shards, tormentors, talents, the backpack, the tp slot are all additions. The only players that "know their stuff" are really only the ones that keep playing. "Mastering -heroes- champions" once again, I just don't understand why you care about that at all, its just a badge. (on lvl 30, its a running gag in my friend group that having a lvl 30 on the enemy team is actually a good sign because so many lvl 30s are one-tricks that have no clue how to play the game, lol) Making dota more mainstream doesn't solve any of the problems you experienced... at best it would just turn dota into a worse league clone. The original appeal of dota is that it stayed true to the original dota allstars, and nowadays is that its a more high skill experience compared to league. Edit: fellas you don't have to be so toxic in the comments, its not wise to expect new players to know whats up right of the bat.
It's very difficult to do an honest review when you are comparing both games. Your point about toxicity: League famously has the most toxic community in esports; I don't think I've ever played a game where I've been told to off myself once in every 2-3 games. From high-elo players running it down with hardstyle music playing in the background on their Twitch stream, spewing the most unhinged verbal atrocities (and being glorified for it by the community), to low-mid elo players running it down in my promos because they didn't get the role they wanted. "Pro players" Don't have an issue with you trying out the game. You just made an account and are playing Unranked All Pick (Normal Game Draft). You are being matched with and against players of similar caliber to you. Waiting 10 minutes on the US servers isn't surprising. First of all, you're on a new account, and there aren't many players trying out Dota nowadays (the US is a dying region). Every other region has queue times of no more than 5 minutes. Keeping in mind that if you do sink 30-50 hours into the game, you will find matches much quicker with more adequate human beings. 100 hours of unranked to unlock ranked: Playing with teammates and enemies that are also practically as new as you are won't get you far; the best way to learn is to learn from others. I'm certain any person playing any game wouldn't want to get placed in the lowest percentile and have to climb out of it. Take it easy and try to learn the fundamentals of Dota; there are a lot more resources, mechanics, and objectives to take in in order to play a somewhat ordinary game of Dota 2. I definitely think it wouldn't be fun for anyone trying to improve their rank and having to play with someone who barely knows the fundamentals. You should give Dota 2 an actual try. Don't just queue up a game like you do with League, they're not the same game. Give it some space; learn things one at a time so that you don't get overwhelmed. There's a boatload of educational content that you can use to help guide the way. And don't listen to the toxic players; they're everywhere, whether you're playing Dota, League, or any other game. Dota 2 is a very complicated game, and that's what makes it fun. Good luck!
It's entirely possible that as you said, it may just not be for you. But just to address some of your concerns, like the long matchmaking queue, NA queues can be pretty long, especially if you're not playing during prime time, if you're locate on the east coast I suggest maybe adding EU, the ping shouldn't be that bad. Toxic player is something you won't be able to escape unfortunately. I suggest that at first sign of toxicity you just mute them for the rest of the game. While communication is important, playing pubs is entirely possible without saying a word. Unfortunately there isn't much you can do about people just throwing the game, it does get better once you get to higher rank, people will usually actually try until the end, but there are always gonna be some assholes who decide to just ruin it for everyone. Dota plus is one of the bigger gripes I have with the game myself, I've been playing since 2013 and I really don't like any sort of payed advantage. Now I will say that at some point, the bonuses you get from it won't really affect gameplay because everyone already knows that info anyways, but yeah. Not a fan. As for the ranked unlock/hero mastery system, this is a game that will eat up hours faster than you can imagine. It's something you just reach eventually, before you even realize most of the time. While I can see why you want to unlock ranked, I honestly think it's smarter to stay in unranked for way longer than 100 hours, because that is not enough time to get you out of the lowest rank, which is where you will end up, most people do. I was lucky enough to have played probably somewhere between 1-2 thousand hours before ranked was even released, which gave me a free pass past those ranks. The game doesn't really change either way, the only difference is you have the badge on your profile, but you can get a pretty good estimate of your rank by just checking the profiles of the people you're playing with, or 3rd party sites like dotabuff. The main reason there is this 100 hour requirement is because Dota has had a huge problem with smurfs. There still is an issue, but one big W for Valve is that they are actually trying to fight it. They've banned 100 000's of smurf accounts, and sometimes their main accounts go with them. Last I just want to say that Dota is an extremely complex, weird, and incredibly fun game. I would say that if you're the kind of person who thinks learning a game is the most fun part about it, Dota is perfect. Because there's always stuff to learn. I remember laughing at my friend who has probably around the same amount of time as me in the game, about 8000, and was divine rank, which is the highest rank, except immortal which is when you get on the MMR leaderboard, because he didn't know that Luna's ultimate doesn't do any damage if you don't skill her Lucent Beam.
You can change servers at the finding match area. Just tap the select region, usually SE servers and japan has a high count of players! Around 1-2 minutes finding a match
After 5k+ hours in the game, the reason why I stopped playing the game 3 years ago is due to inability to vote for surrender. You are forced to play 10-25 minutes on average of a game you know you have lost already in most cases. This adds up and probably just purely wasted 500+ hours of my life in games that were already lost. It is too much. Knowing when to cut loses in life is something I learned in dota and ironically it's what made me stop playing.
@@CephalonLux Yes, of course but I am not talking about 1/10 outliers here. It still makes sense to rather start a new game and have fun. Even people winning these games do not have enjoyment of pushing towers for 15 minutes where enemy team is afk. Again, Dota ironically taught me you should give up sometimes and save your time and energy so you can invest it elsewhere. Valuable life lesson.
I haven't played in a while, but doesn't typing gg/ggwp in all chat work as a surrender button? I remember it working back in the day, you just needed the whole team to type it. It's what they do in pro-play as well. Idk why people don't mention it more, have they changed it recently or smth?
If you actually have 5K hours in Dota you wouldnt have said this. As a 6K+ hours player I have had countless comebacks and that is something truly satisfying clutch moments. Thats like one of the main essence of this game. Its like you wanna quit the match of football just because the score is 3-0, that doesnt have any sportman spirit. Imagine you are having a really good match and opponents surrender, how would you feel. You will feel betrayed of that fun. Just like life you win some and lose some, but dont give up and learn from your victories and losses.
Ngl bro, you're just complaining at this point. Nothing is perfect in life. If you put this much energy into playing the game, you will be somewhere. Quit yapping!
Good video imo. you mentioned a few things that I agree with you on like toxicity, players throwing games because of slight inconveniences, and valve just not advertising the game. I disagree with you regarding Dota+ and the min hrs required to unlock ranked. Dota plus is optional and let me tell you other than being able to reject a queued game without penalty, I see no benefit to it other than it basically acting as a battle pass. The hero selection menu where it suggests lanes is useless, no one really pays attention to it. The hero mastery levels are also useless, you gain nothing other than shards by leveling up a hero's mastery. I'm assuming you have a good bit of experience in league, meaning you've spent enough time to learn about specific champions and have some kind of knowledge regarding every champion which makes it easier to play the game and know what you're doing. What I'm saying is you've gotta treat dota as a new game, you're a new player, the people you play against are new players, you cant expect them to know what they're doing either, so you can't generalize an entire player base based on your experience. There's 126 heroes in dota, so it will take a good amount of time just to learn what each hero kinda does, and wayy more time to actually understand how they're played effectively.
People you been playing with don't know what they're doing. Well looks like you are too. It's fine and It's normal. That's a new player experience. In order to get better, get stomped up until you're the one who's stomping. New Player experience in DOTA is the worse but my advice to anyone is pretty much finish the 100 hour. If they find it fun and love it they will exceed that. If they don't even reached the 100 hour, I'll suggest look the other way and don't touch the game ever again. Congrats on your decision. Thankfully DOTA has the 100 hour rule and its not ridiculous. That concludes your experience, other 9 player on your game would not want you on their ranked game if you are still clueless. It also kind of eliminates smurfing. SEA and EU has lots of players but American and Oceania server are pretty much dead. So if queueing really hurts you and your time then quit it. I think it also has something to do with you being new player since the game balances it. Grinding Hero Mastery is stupid and pointless. Imagine flexing your lvl 30 hero on a bronze/silver game. That says how absolutely suck and bad you are lmao. Meh I don't know about what you said, In League you need to get S, S- or S+ to get a token from 5 to 6/6 to 7. That's way harder than DOTA when all you have to do is the quest of that hero then win. Lastly stop comparing both games. Both of them are different and DOTA is a different ball game than league. You can't really apply your league brain in DOTA.
I have 4000 hours and I would consider myself a noob. Other things: I saw you play normal - you need to play ranked if you want the teammates to take the game seriously. 2nd you need to mute toxic players and just ignore. Everything will be fine then
I literally don't understand the dota+ issue. You can mark your lane and the enemy lane with or without dota plus. Unless something changed recently. I haven't played without it in a while. But its a completely unnecessary thing, the game is still 100% free, including all the heroes. And I don't mean that in the, you can unlock all heroes with grind. All the heroes are completely free. from the get go. As for 'mastering' heroes. Yeah, you legit need to actually put in the time, to get the 'grandmaster' tier. Because it's actually that hard to master a hero. That badge basically means that you have played this hero against its counters enough times, that you have a gameplan against it. And thats something you get only via extensively playing a hero. Playing Juggernaut in a winning game is different from playing him in a game where he is behind. Or playing him against a faceless void is very different from playing him against a Sven or a Medusa. Its just that different. Why would you want to be handed over the grandmaster tag without actually putting in the time to earn it ? As for how big the game is ? Well, it still makes a shit ton of money, has one of the best game clients in the industry, has one of the fairest business models in the industry, gets actively developed with massive sweeping changes to the game, while still retaining its core identity, has an active pro-scene with almost a hundred tournaments last year, with a dozen of them being tier 1 events, and the pro games are actually worth watching. I get that not all games aren't for everyone. And dota is definitely a niche, one has a lot of reasons to not like the game, it can be too complex, it can be a very poor teacher (there will be a lot of games, where you're not sure what you could've done to change the outcome), maybe you don't like how long games last, but the points stated in this video seems like coming from someone who's just being a bit too prejudiced in their approach. In the end, its a personal choice, maybe this is the best for you, but the reasons you've stated seem pretty shallow. Yes, you need 100 hours to unlock ranked, to save you and your allies from being frustrated with someone who wouldn't know the basics of how heroes work, you don't need to have dota plus at all, its a completely cosmetic feature, that in some ways is pay to lose, because it really sucks at suggesting item builds or explaining them, the community builds are 10x better, and keep up with the meta, its mostly for the voice lines and hero levels, which again don't really matter in the game. Beyond painting a target on yourself.
a whooping amount of 20 hours, u dont even know abaddog's shield explode upon casting a new one, u need 5-10 mins for a match because ure in the new player pool
you where unlucky AF, ive played over 3000h of dota and 300h of league, and I've had more toxic encounters in league and your match making times also, I typically only have 2-3m times dota DOES have overlay programs to help, or at least did, but it also had ingame playermade guides. most of your issues are due to not having built up a high behaviour score and there is also a hidden ELO/MMR for unranked. once you dooo get access to ranked, you'll have gotten to the less toxic part of the game, and in my experience the toxicity is usually funny to experience (and the few times its been back enough for me to be annoyed I've reported them and a few days later I get a pop up saying they've been penalised)
Dude 20 hours isn’t trying a game like Dota. Like it’s fine that you don’t want to actually try Dota but don’t go on the internet and talk about a game that notoriously takes 1000+ hours to be considered not new anymore in when you only have 20 hours in it. This isn’t hate towards you just letting you know your opinions about anything in the game past “it’s too much time commitment to learn” are completely based in ignorance.
I played 3395 hours playing dota and your 20h opinion of the game is a joke, and you have did not understand the game at all. Go back and play some floppy birds.
rest in piss you wont be mised. 20 hours is not even a tutorial its like playing elden ring losing to soldier of godrick and making a review about the entire game. 20 hours is not even enough to fully grasp a single hero. and this is not about gatekeeping, new players are always welcome but you make no effort giving this game any form of respect so we dont either.
Bro, with all of the respect, 20hrs is nothing. You're right about toxicity. To say Dota2 isnt "newbie friendly" these days is very funny, it had come a long way and there are tutorials and everything. The REAL reason why this game isn't mainstream is because of the skillcap and difficulty of the mechanics in this game is much higher than in LoL. LoL doesn't require you to micro heros like for example naga siren/lone druid /meepo. In dota by endgame most of your inventory will be usable items that you need to actually use (on most heros, I do generalize here) Greetings from a "dota 1" player who played on LAN with friends the original WC3 mod :)
solid 20 hours ahhahahaha
ive spent 15 years playing dota 2 and im still learning 20+ hours is not enough to make a review about it
20 hours? Ive spent 20+ years 😅
Bro 20 hours is nothing in Dota 2. Hell I was constantly learning even after 1000+ hours, so many mechanics are there that takes a lot of practice to get use to and time them well.
And regarding Dota+, thats just useful for new players but now as I am sitting with over 6K hours it feels like it doesn’t even matter as it’ll be like a muscle memory with all the counter picks, situational item builds etc. I now buy Dota+ just to showcase what level of hero I have. Also as it’s the only game I play most of the time, $5 a month ain’t that much of an amount to invest just for fun.
20 hours, lol. you have to be kidding me. it's like attending 1 lecture in biology and trying to major in it then. don't make a fool of yourself plz
Wdym you have to grind a hell of a long time to reach lvl 30 mastery this rank does not mean anythhing its just visual plus you get some voice lines you can master a hero even without using dota+ i dont understand what you are complaining about? and how can you make a review after 20 hours xD i played almost 1000 hours now and i still dont know all by far actually there is so much to learn in this game its not for casual gamers who want to ff after 15 min because they had a bad laning phase (im talking about league players) and then spam ff everytime you can vote
100hrs for ranked is to prevent smurfing being easy , you can always mute ppl , toxic ppl are everywhere + before 200 games you shouldn't play ranked anyways , you don't even know 10% of dota at that point , dota+ is optional an a lot of ppl use it and its worth it and dota+ recommendations aren't good , really basic, nowadays theres a lot of tools to learn dota too so I dont see any valid points here , you are just complaining my friend , think it through you might just not like it.
3:54 100 hours might even be too small of a barrier - it really does take a while to naturally learn just raw knowledge about the game like abilities, map locations, items, etc; let alone how to strategize around that information.
You phrased crossing that barrier as your main goal, to the point that you won't play the game if it doesn't bring you closer to it, and I really don't understand why. Ranked is just a more toxic version of unranked. Tbh, if you don't like playing dota for the fun of it, stop playing. The community has enough people that have forgotten that video games are for fun. (Also, I'll let you in on a little secret, unranked is still ranked, they just don't tell you your mmr, valve did this so that games can still be close and fun instead of endless stomps).
About the dota plus thing. I like the cosmetic monetization system, because its the only one that makes free to play profitable without it being a p2w mess. That being said, I completely agree with your comments on the advice part of dota plus. Its just straight up an advantage. Valve clearly wants to add p2w as much as possible without it actually being p2w, which sucks. Back in the day, when the Techies arcana released the players threw a massive fit that it gave the hero a cosmetic ability, to the point that valve actually made a real ability for everyone - people just cared that much about it being a fair experience. But I don't think people care about dota nowadays. (not that I ever personally cared, lol)
The lack of knowledge from the community that you've witnessed is from 2 reasons:
1. You're new, so you queued with new players (if you got queued with better players it would not be fun, you'd get your shit kicked in);
2. Dota is not "maintained" by valve and their patches as you said, it is constantly reinvented. The map is regularly changed, the heroes are constantly rebalanced (or completely redesigned if valve feels like it), items are changed, added, removed. A player that played dota 5 years ago would be clueless today outside of the basics. Facets, innates, neutral items, shards, tormentors, talents, the backpack, the tp slot are all additions. The only players that "know their stuff" are really only the ones that keep playing.
"Mastering -heroes- champions" once again, I just don't understand why you care about that at all, its just a badge. (on lvl 30, its a running gag in my friend group that having a lvl 30 on the enemy team is actually a good sign because so many lvl 30s are one-tricks that have no clue how to play the game, lol)
Making dota more mainstream doesn't solve any of the problems you experienced... at best it would just turn dota into a worse league clone. The original appeal of dota is that it stayed true to the original dota allstars, and nowadays is that its a more high skill experience compared to league.
Edit: fellas you don't have to be so toxic in the comments, its not wise to expect new players to know whats up right of the bat.
my guy was on simple shop the whole time. wants to play ranked and reach grandmaster. have some patience.
It's very difficult to do an honest review when you are comparing both games.
Your point about toxicity: League famously has the most toxic community in esports; I don't think I've ever played a game where I've been told to off myself once in every 2-3 games. From high-elo players running it down with hardstyle music playing in the background on their Twitch stream, spewing the most unhinged verbal atrocities (and being glorified for it by the community), to low-mid elo players running it down in my promos because they didn't get the role they wanted.
"Pro players" Don't have an issue with you trying out the game. You just made an account and are playing Unranked All Pick (Normal Game Draft). You are being matched with and against players of similar caliber to you.
Waiting 10 minutes on the US servers isn't surprising. First of all, you're on a new account, and there aren't many players trying out Dota nowadays (the US is a dying region). Every other region has queue times of no more than 5 minutes. Keeping in mind that if you do sink 30-50 hours into the game, you will find matches much quicker with more adequate human beings. 100 hours of unranked to unlock ranked: Playing with teammates and enemies that are also practically as new as you are won't get you far; the best way to learn is to learn from others. I'm certain any person playing any game wouldn't want to get placed in the lowest percentile and have to climb out of it. Take it easy and try to learn the fundamentals of Dota; there are a lot more resources, mechanics, and objectives to take in in order to play a somewhat ordinary game of Dota 2. I definitely think it wouldn't be fun for anyone trying to improve their rank and having to play with someone who barely knows the fundamentals.
You should give Dota 2 an actual try. Don't just queue up a game like you do with League, they're not the same game. Give it some space; learn things one at a time so that you don't get overwhelmed. There's a boatload of educational content that you can use to help guide the way. And don't listen to the toxic players; they're everywhere, whether you're playing Dota, League, or any other game.
Dota 2 is a very complicated game, and that's what makes it fun. Good luck!
It's entirely possible that as you said, it may just not be for you. But just to address some of your concerns, like the long matchmaking queue, NA queues can be pretty long, especially if you're not playing during prime time, if you're locate on the east coast I suggest maybe adding EU, the ping shouldn't be that bad.
Toxic player is something you won't be able to escape unfortunately. I suggest that at first sign of toxicity you just mute them for the rest of the game. While communication is important, playing pubs is entirely possible without saying a word. Unfortunately there isn't much you can do about people just throwing the game, it does get better once you get to higher rank, people will usually actually try until the end, but there are always gonna be some assholes who decide to just ruin it for everyone.
Dota plus is one of the bigger gripes I have with the game myself, I've been playing since 2013 and I really don't like any sort of payed advantage. Now I will say that at some point, the bonuses you get from it won't really affect gameplay because everyone already knows that info anyways, but yeah. Not a fan.
As for the ranked unlock/hero mastery system, this is a game that will eat up hours faster than you can imagine. It's something you just reach eventually, before you even realize most of the time. While I can see why you want to unlock ranked, I honestly think it's smarter to stay in unranked for way longer than 100 hours, because that is not enough time to get you out of the lowest rank, which is where you will end up, most people do. I was lucky enough to have played probably somewhere between 1-2 thousand hours before ranked was even released, which gave me a free pass past those ranks. The game doesn't really change either way, the only difference is you have the badge on your profile, but you can get a pretty good estimate of your rank by just checking the profiles of the people you're playing with, or 3rd party sites like dotabuff. The main reason there is this 100 hour requirement is because Dota has had a huge problem with smurfs. There still is an issue, but one big W for Valve is that they are actually trying to fight it. They've banned 100 000's of smurf accounts, and sometimes their main accounts go with them.
Last I just want to say that Dota is an extremely complex, weird, and incredibly fun game. I would say that if you're the kind of person who thinks learning a game is the most fun part about it, Dota is perfect. Because there's always stuff to learn. I remember laughing at my friend who has probably around the same amount of time as me in the game, about 8000, and was divine rank, which is the highest rank, except immortal which is when you get on the MMR leaderboard, because he didn't know that Luna's ultimate doesn't do any damage if you don't skill her Lucent Beam.
You can change servers at the finding match area. Just tap the select region, usually SE servers and japan has a high count of players! Around 1-2 minutes finding a match
After 5k+ hours in the game, the reason why I stopped playing the game 3 years ago is due to inability to vote for surrender. You are forced to play 10-25 minutes on average of a game you know you have lost already in most cases. This adds up and probably just purely wasted 500+ hours of my life in games that were already lost. It is too much. Knowing when to cut loses in life is something I learned in dota and ironically it's what made me stop playing.
never give up, ive won games where we lost rax at 25m and we;d only taken 2 towers
@@CephalonLux Yes, of course but I am not talking about 1/10 outliers here. It still makes sense to rather start a new game and have fun. Even people winning these games do not have enjoyment of pushing towers for 15 minutes where enemy team is afk. Again, Dota ironically taught me you should give up sometimes and save your time and energy so you can invest it elsewhere. Valuable life lesson.
I haven't played in a while, but doesn't typing gg/ggwp in all chat work as a surrender button? I remember it working back in the day, you just needed the whole team to type it. It's what they do in pro-play as well. Idk why people don't mention it more, have they changed it recently or smth?
@@earl0000 you said it, you need to be a 5 man stack to be able to do it
If you actually have 5K hours in Dota you wouldnt have said this. As a 6K+ hours player I have had countless comebacks and that is something truly satisfying clutch moments. Thats like one of the main essence of this game. Its like you wanna quit the match of football just because the score is 3-0, that doesnt have any sportman spirit. Imagine you are having a really good match and opponents surrender, how would you feel. You will feel betrayed of that fun. Just like life you win some and lose some, but dont give up and learn from your victories and losses.
Ngl bro, you're just complaining at this point. Nothing is perfect in life. If you put this much energy into playing the game, you will be somewhere. Quit yapping!
Good video imo.
you mentioned a few things that I agree with you on like toxicity, players throwing games because of slight inconveniences, and valve just not advertising the game. I disagree with you regarding Dota+ and the min hrs required to unlock ranked. Dota plus is optional and let me tell you other than being able to reject a queued game without penalty, I see no benefit to it other than it basically acting as a battle pass. The hero selection menu where it suggests lanes is useless, no one really pays attention to it. The hero mastery levels are also useless, you gain nothing other than shards by leveling up a hero's mastery. I'm assuming you have a good bit of experience in league, meaning you've spent enough time to learn about specific champions and have some kind of knowledge regarding every champion which makes it easier to play the game and know what you're doing. What I'm saying is you've gotta treat dota as a new game, you're a new player, the people you play against are new players, you cant expect them to know what they're doing either, so you can't generalize an entire player base based on your experience. There's 126 heroes in dota, so it will take a good amount of time just to learn what each hero kinda does, and wayy more time to actually understand how they're played effectively.
People you been playing with don't know what they're doing. Well looks like you are too. It's fine and It's normal. That's a new player experience. In order to get better, get stomped up until you're the one who's stomping. New Player experience in DOTA is the worse but my advice to anyone is pretty much finish the 100 hour. If they find it fun and love it they will exceed that. If they don't even reached the 100 hour, I'll suggest look the other way and don't touch the game ever again. Congrats on your decision. Thankfully DOTA has the 100 hour rule and its not ridiculous. That concludes your experience, other 9 player on your game would not want you on their ranked game if you are still clueless. It also kind of eliminates smurfing.
SEA and EU has lots of players but American and Oceania server are pretty much dead. So if queueing really hurts you and your time then quit it. I think it also has something to do with you being new player since the game balances it. Grinding Hero Mastery is stupid and pointless. Imagine flexing your lvl 30 hero on a bronze/silver game. That says how absolutely suck and bad you are lmao. Meh I don't know about what you said, In League you need to get S, S- or S+ to get a token from 5 to 6/6 to 7. That's way harder than DOTA when all you have to do is the quest of that hero then win.
Lastly stop comparing both games. Both of them are different and DOTA is a different ball game than league. You can't really apply your league brain in DOTA.
I have 4000 hours and I would consider myself a noob. Other things: I saw you play normal - you need to play ranked if you want the teammates to take the game seriously. 2nd you need to mute toxic players and just ignore. Everything will be fine then
I literally don't understand the dota+ issue. You can mark your lane and the enemy lane with or without dota plus. Unless something changed recently. I haven't played without it in a while. But its a completely unnecessary thing, the game is still 100% free, including all the heroes. And I don't mean that in the, you can unlock all heroes with grind. All the heroes are completely free. from the get go.
As for 'mastering' heroes. Yeah, you legit need to actually put in the time, to get the 'grandmaster' tier. Because it's actually that hard to master a hero. That badge basically means that you have played this hero against its counters enough times, that you have a gameplan against it. And thats something you get only via extensively playing a hero. Playing Juggernaut in a winning game is different from playing him in a game where he is behind. Or playing him against a faceless void is very different from playing him against a Sven or a Medusa. Its just that different. Why would you want to be handed over the grandmaster tag without actually putting in the time to earn it ?
As for how big the game is ? Well, it still makes a shit ton of money, has one of the best game clients in the industry, has one of the fairest business models in the industry, gets actively developed with massive sweeping changes to the game, while still retaining its core identity, has an active pro-scene with almost a hundred tournaments last year, with a dozen of them being tier 1 events, and the pro games are actually worth watching.
I get that not all games aren't for everyone. And dota is definitely a niche, one has a lot of reasons to not like the game, it can be too complex, it can be a very poor teacher (there will be a lot of games, where you're not sure what you could've done to change the outcome), maybe you don't like how long games last, but the points stated in this video seems like coming from someone who's just being a bit too prejudiced in their approach.
In the end, its a personal choice, maybe this is the best for you, but the reasons you've stated seem pretty shallow. Yes, you need 100 hours to unlock ranked, to save you and your allies from being frustrated with someone who wouldn't know the basics of how heroes work, you don't need to have dota plus at all, its a completely cosmetic feature, that in some ways is pay to lose, because it really sucks at suggesting item builds or explaining them, the community builds are 10x better, and keep up with the meta, its mostly for the voice lines and hero levels, which again don't really matter in the game. Beyond painting a target on yourself.
You start to actually learn the game at around 1000+ hours, so quitting at 20 is just kind of weak
LMAO, this is such a deranged sentence outside of valve games. Most people haven't even played their favorite game for half of that.
a whooping amount of 20 hours, u dont even know abaddog's shield explode upon casting a new one, u need 5-10 mins for a match because ure in the new player pool
Glad to quit it before it becomes a drug 😂
you where unlucky AF,
ive played over 3000h of dota and 300h of league,
and I've had more toxic encounters in league
and your match making times also, I typically only have 2-3m times
dota DOES have overlay programs to help, or at least did, but it also had ingame playermade guides.
most of your issues are due to not having built up a high behaviour score and there is also a hidden ELO/MMR for unranked.
once you dooo get access to ranked, you'll have gotten to the less toxic part of the game,
and in my experience the toxicity is usually funny to experience (and the few times its been back enough for me to be annoyed I've reported them and a few days later I get a pop up saying they've been penalised)
Uhh, you're on simple shop..
it happens
Dude 20 hours isn’t trying a game like Dota. Like it’s fine that you don’t want to actually try Dota but don’t go on the internet and talk about a game that notoriously takes 1000+ hours to be considered not new anymore in when you only have 20 hours in it.
This isn’t hate towards you just letting you know your opinions about anything in the game past “it’s too much time commitment to learn” are completely based in ignorance.
500K people play everyday, I think that is enough
lol, 100 hours is nothing
I played 3395 hours playing dota and your 20h opinion of the game is a joke, and you have did not understand the game at all.
Go back and play some floppy birds.
rest in piss you wont be mised.
20 hours is not even a tutorial its like playing elden ring losing to soldier of godrick and making a review about the entire game.
20 hours is not even enough to fully grasp a single hero.
and this is not about gatekeeping, new players are always welcome but you make no effort giving this game any form of respect so we dont either.
1 less toxic noob
ah one less noob toxic teammate
Bro, with all of the respect, 20hrs is nothing.
You're right about toxicity.
To say Dota2 isnt "newbie friendly" these days is very funny, it had come a long way and there are tutorials and everything. The REAL reason why this game isn't mainstream is because of the skillcap and difficulty of the mechanics in this game is much higher than in LoL. LoL doesn't require you to micro heros like for example naga siren/lone druid /meepo. In dota by endgame most of your inventory will be usable items that you need to actually use (on most heros, I do generalize here)
Greetings from a "dota 1" player who played on LAN with friends the original WC3 mod :)
good, never return to that toxic garbage of game ever, there are better things to invest your time on other than playing dota lol
And you think valve want you to play they game no ones care!!
try playing until you have maybe 100-300hrs