The Problem With Damian Wayne As Robin - Explained
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This is gonna sound weird, but my biggest issue was that Batman really promoted the whole idea of "found family" or "blood makes you related, love makes you family". Originally, Bruce had at least 3 sons. But the moment Damian showed up, the one who shared his blood was the only one that really mattered. Many writers treated the others as not Bruce's real sons, which just kinda irks me...
It always gave off that feeling to me too
I think that falls onto the fans aswell. Especially with certain people pushing the idea of Bruce being like a brother to Dick, further straining their relationship.
Yeah, I get that.
Honestly, I think this whole son of Batman and Talia thing does remind me of a fanfic kind of character.
**Injustice Batman enters the chat**
Batman to Damian: “You stopped being my son when you killed Dick Grayson…he was my son…..you’re dead to me!”
Because he is Bruce's True Son; regardless of all the sentimental build-up, when confronted with someone who is *ACTUALLY* your son.. shares your likeness, acts like you, is the spitting image of you in every way; it'll be hard to treat them as "just another member of the family". Whilst I agree that the other son's should never have been treated as if they aren't "real" sons, it's very much expected for Bruce to prioritize his actual son over them at least for a period of time. You are delusional if you think any father wouldn't do this lol
You can’t do Damian without introducing Nightwing first. Point blank. Damian needs a big brother character to work.
You talking about JG having Damian being Robin in Brave and The Bold? Because if so, your goddamn right about that.
They will introduce the whole Bat family I’m sure. That’s immediately where my mind went when they said it’ll be a Bruce/Damien story
True but I don't think you need to see the evolution of that story first. Heck if we got a movie where Jason was Robin or Tim even so long as Dick's mentioned/present I think it works.
Many comic book readers including myself started reading Batman when Damian was already Robin. Heck the son of Batman movie doesn't have a prequel where Tim, Jason, or Dick are mentioned. Dick's just a minor character in the story and that works.
@@gaylordcomic as long as they were mentioned it still works. I’m just saying there multiple stories of Dick and Damian together. Even if it’s a small thing or a reference to him being closer with Dick than the others, anything like that I’d be happy with. Just acknowledge they came first at the very least. The first Robin should not be Bruce’s actual son it fucks the whole thing up. He has to be an orphan for it to come full circle in a more “positive” way
They are batman alfred
But you can do damian solo altho without dick the kid is lost in dark
Honestly Damian works best when he's with others and having a good time.
Like Damian and Superboy/Him and Nightwing had some of the best bro moments we got from the character
You just like him being neutered.
@@newhybrid101 Yeah it seems like Damian's character is too confident for most people to relate to. They want him as this agreeable dweeb with traumatic issues like the other Robins or something lol
@Last Hybrid I mean it's facts tho. Every time they write him as a vengeful guy the writers fuck up. Look at Injustice haha
@@zyonhenderson67 injustice was good asf though and his story arc was cool
@@KevinJohnson-cv2no Nothing is less cool than someone trying to act cool all the time.
Damien's very existence has sadly destroyed Tim Drake. DC has completely disrespected Tim.
The return of Jason Todd almost made Dick Grayson a secondary character. It's a well known fact that former DC editor Dan Didio HATED Dick Grayson. He always felt that Dick "aged" Batman. But, giving Batman a "son" REALLY ages.him...
To be fair, Damien wasn’t Didio’s idea, and he probably would have rejected it if anyone besides Grant Morrison created it.
DIO just hates legacy
I really don't understand why American comics hated aging their heroes
I think it has a lot to do with marketability. Aging a character recontextualizes them outside of the mold they grew to popularity in. Many in marketing fear that growing and maturing a character would make them too distinctly different than before, and alienate newcomers with a whole bunch of backstory.
Essentially, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." That being said, I think I speak for many readers and fams when I paraphrase "iron rusts from disuse, and stagnant water loses purity."
i read that as Dan Dildo and was scared for a moment
Damion and Jon Kent were set up to grow up together and everyone loved it. They robbed us of watching them grow up together when they aged up Jon.
i know 😢 I still cry about it
Damian suffers of something called:
"We can't lose the edgy Robin so we reset every ounce of development he has."
It's a shame cause as much as I hated him initially, when he was with Grayson he really grew.
It's fine if he has an edgy side to him, but it shouldn't be his whole character. Just like how Batman has his edgy side and the side he shows with the rest of the Bat family.
Imo, peak-level Damian character development was in the lazarus tournament-present stuff where he finally grew out of his brash, impulsive and aggressive personality traits, plus it was nice to see him work with Connor Hawke's Green Arrow
I'd like to see Damian, Connor Hawke and Jon come together in a new team of sorts
One of my favorite chapters I never hear anyone talk about is during Batman's mad run to find a way to resurrect Damian Wayne there is an issue where he teams up with Red Hood and during this comic the 2 actually have some harsh dialogue with Red Hood being legitimately disgusted with not just Batman's request for help with Damian,but the fact Batman didn't once try to have Jason resurrected at any point.
you can truly understand Jason's pain, and thats why Jason is my second favorite robin I love him
wow i’ve never heard ab this until now, but it’s 100% understandable from Jason’s perspective. They always do Jason so dirty and it’s so unfortunate.
Tbf Jason was only revived due to Super boy primes punch in crisis. The Lazarus pit only healed his injured head from being battered by the crowbar
Yeah, Jason had to be revived via Lazarus and it warped his mind, when he finally got it back together he came back to find his killer still running amok and batman himself seemingly have done nothing about Jason's death other than replacing him with Tim, so when Damian dies and batman is immediately trying to revive him, you'd understand how fucking betrayed Jason would feel, especially considering how much everyone hates Damian
that is so WILD legitimately a big slap in the face to his character
The problem with Damien is that he was created to be Dick's Robin. The dynamic between Dick's lighter Batman and Damien's darker Robin was great. Paring Damien with Bruce is only interesting to me because Damien is his son. Having Damien be a killer that Batman has to reel in is nothing new. He did it with Huntress.
Dick helped Damien become more than a living weapon. He let him become a kid. Bruce isn't really equipped to do that. He doesn't have those interpersonal skills to break Damien out of that edgy shell. Dick does. Damien's development as a character will always be based on his time with Dick.
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I definitely love Dick and Damian dynamic too but he wasn’t created to be Dick’s Robin. He was created to show that Batman cannot leave his mission even at the cost of a possible family, not even for his own son. He was created to show that Bruce cannot be aged out nor can he truly leave the Batman mantle (many because of meta reasons - he is too iconic) so he can never have a son that grows up, can never have a legacy nor can he pass on the torch. It was also to showcase an intense divorce (X100) and how the child of those marriage are the casualties of such battles between parents, in this case the metaphor became literal. There are a-lot of analysis of Grant Morrison’s Batman run out there (and who could blame them, it is considered one of the best modern batman run). He intended for Damian to die in the end but Damian becomes too imprinted on the Batman mythos and they end up keeping him. So yes, Grant Morrison not only write a great Batman story but also successfully leave his imprint on the batman mythos by accident. He gives Bruce a canon biological son in continuity.
Tomasi brings Damian back to life and smooth out the rough edges that Morrison did not address in his run and DC manage to have their cake and eat it too: Showing the older audiences that they were not as stagnant as they though by allowing a major change/growth in batman mythos because he now have a biological son. Damian will also always be a child or a teenager to be a living showcase of how Batman mythos will always prioritise Bruce being Batman above all else. Unless it is elseworld.
I don’t mind them starting with Damian since it allows for them to introduce an already established Batfamily. It also helps to further differentiate between this version of Batman and Robbert Pattinson’s Batman.
I'm puzzled as to why DC hasn't explored Damian Wayne and Conner Kent bonding in some way considering their very similar backgrounds as to why they were made by both Batman's and Superman's rival factions.
Conner is Tim best friend, the brother who gets along the least with Damian.
Also unlike Conner, Damian actually has a stable relationship with his mother.
I love Damian! He’s my favorite Robin, but let's be honest about the real problem with Damian; inconsistent writing. Damian started out as an angry, brainwashed, bloodthirsty assassin. He gets character development, starts building his own persona and story, and develops profound relationships between a number of people. Then a new writer comes along, ignores everything that was done to Damian’s character, and suddenly Damian is just an assassin that's destined to create an apocalyptic future.
I like the Damian from batman beyond. He was more humble but kept his snark. He also was skilled enough to surpass batman and beat named characters
@Radio Raheem From the Batman Beyond Comics, where he was leading the League of Assassins?
@erinfoley6426 yeah, it was brief but it actually showed Damian as a skilled threat and not a jobber
If you end up with injustice damian in a setting that isn't the injustice universe, you've done something wrong. DCeased did him justice imo, that's what I always expected the character to become
Dick Grayson is my favorite Robin personally the only reason I don't like Damian is cause is so DAMN AROGANT
The thing with Damian that most adaptations have failed at is that Damian's dynamic with Batman isn't very good. Damian slots in perfectly, however, with Dick Grayson and the other Robins.
Despite being Batman's "real" son, to really get him right you need to also stress him as Batman's youngest son, with all the conflicts and dynamics that entails. And I dunno if Gunn's going to go for that.
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My biggest issue with Damien was when they aged up Jon, he had a friend to soften him and teach him the things Clark taught him, they aged Jon up and Damien just kept being a dick
Dick and Damian is the best duo. Those two together are probably my favorite batfam members because of their relationship. It always make me happy when people pair them up again. Super sons is also great.
Yeah Damian being inconsistent sucks.
Damian with Nightwing and Supersons were great comics. I liked the bit when he traveled the world collecting animals, meeting cool weirdos, and bribing Deathstroke.
I like the progression of Damian Wayne from assassin to Robin but they seriously have a problem about who Damian Wayne is after that. Dick Grayson is the golden boy. Jason Todd is the brute. Tim Drake is the genius. What's left for Damian Wayne? I don't mind if we get to see Damian learn to be Batman but they're scared of showing Damien struggle.
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I started reading his solo because I was excited to see where he'd go post Robin. Really enjoyed the island tournament arc and his thing with Flatline. Was so pumped to see where it went next, and then it completely switched writers and plots.
This is why despite loving DCAU I struggle to get into the comics outside of one shots. Every time I try to get in they're on another reboot, or they change plots midway or completely drop the ball on characters.
For example I was introduced to the Teen Titans from the 2003 cartoon, and when you look at the comics it's like Raven has 3 different solos in 3 different canons. Plus the cartoon comic. Plus Go.
I understand they are trying to change things for new fans but it's difficult to get invested when nothing is consistent. Same thing happened with the DCEU. The Batman went through so many changes and a ton of films got scrapped. Don't even know what timeline we're in.
Also was pissed the DCAMU decided to reboot too just as it was getting interesting. It's like man at this rate is Damian even going to show up in the live action?
The only reason I wanted Dick first was because I wanted to see Bruce and Dick grow closer as father and son in real time. Now we are just skipping all that, which I don't blame them for, as starting with Damien gives them the most creative freedom for stuff involving the Bat Family.
I’d prefer less origins and jumping in with them all established. We know them already. What most of us want is a phenomenal universe that brings great work to live action with the least amount of alteration possible
James Gunn said that this version is the beginning of the Bat family so it’s just his personal preference winning over the others. Doesn’t even make sense when the majority of fans hate Damian.
Should've went with Tim. Dc finally had the chance to do something interesting. He's the most overlooked.
@@moshymosh really should've especially considering Tim is the Robin a lot of adaptations are based on. Like Teen Titans Robin is based off of Tim except they changed him into Dick. He is also in almost all of batman's most important and influential stories. Makes me mad since he is my favorite Robin.
I just want some Nightwing Bludhaven stories. Nightwing being a good guy off relatively on his own. I always hear such good things about his stories but like, none of them are shows/movies they haven't even given him his own animated stuff.
I think Damian is the best choice for Robin in movie form. It is a problem showing Batman endangering a child but with Damian, he is a trained assassin that Batman can’t stop from helping. Plus James Gunn is so good at broken family stories
I like Damien Wayne he's one my favourite characters in DC my favourite Robin.I love his arc but the problem is the writers keep regressing his character development and his relationship with his father. I think the best way to fix , improve and further progress his character is to have him grow up and become his own hero. Either have him become batman or have him go the nightwing route and forge his own mantle, maybe become ghostmaker.
They should go with Dick Grayson-Batman and Damian Wayne-Robin to start with the live action. The problem with making Bruce in live action entertainment is that he's usually written pretty poorly due to his more stoic personality. Damian and Bruce don't balance one another very well because their personalities are too similar. I also feel that it would be easier to start out with Dick as a much more light-hearted Batman who is struggling under the weight of the mantle and trying to raise the younger brother who barely knew their father and believes that he'd be better off on his own. This could bring Jason and Tim in the "we only see each other at weddings or funerals" type of situation as they all deal with their, admittedly complicated, feelings for the man who raised them. Of course, Bruce would come back into the picture eventually, but I feel that this would be a great introduction to the family. It would also have a start in establishing those characters into the live action as well as being overall easier to develop great writing and acting by not having to immediately focus on such a complicated character.
That would actually be a fun idea to see.
I really enjoy Dick Grayson as Batman so I am all in for it and most especially with Damian as his Robin
When your own blood is less family then all your other colleagues.
When you don't read a Damian Wayne comic to save your life but you want to make an opinion on his character.
Thats a lie batman loves damian most in the world and damian loves bruce the most
you have no idea what youre talking about
@@user-gg7xb2os9y nah Damian loves Nightwing, Alfred and Talia more. Thats very obvious.
@@huntertezz definitly not talia lmao😂
10:51 minor correction, Damian didn't magically lose his powers, Batman created a scenario that forced him to use them all up. Batman noted Damian's powers were fading so he tried to get it all out of his system in a controlled environment rather than have the powers stop working whilst they were on patrol. This was important because Damian got super reckless whilst he had his powers so if they stopped working whilst Damian was showing off, it would end badly.
Contrived plotlines
Batman fixing a past writers mistake of giving damian powers
@@radiantberserker8857uh no? Peter Tomasi wrote the entirety of the Batman and Robin Volume 2 run including Robin Rises where he gets and loses his powers.
Is it weird that my future batman is Cassandra Cain? Lmao I like the idea of Damien becoming the dragons head and reforming the assassin.
I'm surprised Alfred is still dead. I know he was brought back temporarily during the Batman VS Robin story, but I think he died again near the end. I wonder when they're gonna bring him back and keep him. It just feels wrong and weird without Alfred. It's like perma-killing Gordon or one of the more popular rogues like Penguin or Catwoman.
Edit: I actually agree with the closing statements about the amount of movie buildup it would take to make all of the Robin origin stories. If Damian is the first Robin we see, but in-universe occupies the role of the 4th Robin, I'm totally fine. Now, on the subject of endangering a child:
I still think that starting with Dick Grayson as robin would have been fine. If you read Dark Victory, it's pretty apparent Bruce wanted to keep Dick out of the vigilante life but physically COULD NOT. Dick "Bruce let me kill a man pls" Grayson was hellbent on taking the same path Bruce did, so The Bat took him on as Robin for his own safety. Eventually, that led to Dick becoming a more well-adjusted adult than Bruce.
When presented like that, it works. Because that's the story. Batman didn't adopt a child and draft him into a personal war on crime like Frank Miller's books depict; He allowed Robin to exist for the benefit of someone who met the same fate he did.
I want a Batman Beyond reboot. Terry is my favorite Batman aside from Bruce. His dynamic with Bruce is phenomenal because Bruce feels like he's evolved from being a loner who won't trust anyone to someone who realizes he does enjoy being around someone who has been through a similar situation. It was a really touching relationship.
My biggest problem with DC's writing of any Robin including Damian is their relationship with Bruce. I hate it when they write Bruce as a distant figure in their lives. I know being a good man doesn't always ensure that you will be the perfect father but they could at least make him seem like a guy who cares about the children he raised. Even though they want to stick with the idea of the batfamily being an actual family, comics where Bruce's relationship with any of the robins are portrayed almost always include some form of negative interaction.
It always feels like the modern writers don't quite know how to characterize batman. Bruce is clearly not the young playboy billionaire of the eighties and nineties nor is he the serious and broody man in his thirties of the Tim Drake robin era. DC made the decision to keep all the robins and other younger characters in their teens to twenties which means their Batman is a middle-aged man with a family. But most writers who write Batman struggle with this very concept of a familyman when they write Bruce in normal Batman stories. I also think most writers find it tiresome to deal with all these characters who individually have complex relationships with Bruce and might influence him as a character. These writers can usually avoid dealing with characters other than Damian simply because they have a place elsewhere in canon. Damian never had a team and is supposed to be a kid like pre-bendis Jon who is supposed to live with a parent. Writing Bruce by keeping Damian or any robin he raised in the picture means a deeper dive into the character with the perspective of him having an alive and well family along with his crusade. Most writers don't want to deal with that stuff which results in pointlessly confrontational interactions between Bruce and the robins. If they can figure out how to write a 40+ year old family man Bruce who has made peace with his crusade without constantly trying to revert to the nineties characterization, they can probably figure out what to do with all the robins including Damian
I like him because he was so cocky and he's a very dynamic character. He goes through alot of emotional changes not just as an adolescent but as the son of a villain and a hero. There is an internal conflict that is so intriguing
I actually really like Damian, but they keep restarting his arc. So it’s hard for people to actually connect to his character cause the whole point is, the ending of his arc is when people are supposed to like him. And while some writers write him well, other people just do the arc all over again but not as well as Grant Morrison did. I love the character but it’s because I ignore people redoing his story. But for new readers its probably so annoying
The problem is they keep paring him up with Bruce. He works better with Dick Greyson
I really dig this format, where you can be open about the issues you have with elements of the comic industry.
To be fair just like some of the comments I feel it's wrong to equate being a Batman's Heir to being biological son of Batman. For me the Epilogue in Justice League for Terry initially felt like cheapening his character and taking agency off his hands. But then it struck me that technically the message was opposite. It didn't matter in the end whether Terry was Bruce's Son or not. Donning the cowl, becoming the Batman was HIS choice. The blood ultimately did not matter.
Personally I like Tim best out of the Robins as characters, but damien is definitely the best if you want a permanent Robin in the family since Tim does deserve to grow out of that like his brothers did
The thing is though Tim never wanted to grow out of it he was happy being just robin as he became robin deliberately to support batman that was at least till Damian replaced him after dick took on the bat mantle for a short while as dick felt awkward about Tim being his robin.
@@liberleo1384 and that's fair. I want Tim as a robin too, but... Well Damien is here to stay and at leadt Tim never dropped the mantle
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I understand that Damien is here to stay and the mantle is now his it's just that I would prefer Tim being the permanent robin as he does want the title because of his desire to keep supporting Bruce unlike Damian who seeks to surpass batman not only that but because Damian took his place DC neglected Tim which is unfortunate as he could of been more popular if given more time to shine as he often feels like the middle child of the robins.
Damian’s canonical age is almost the same as the number of years he’s been a fictional character in comics. They aged up the Super Sons too quickly. They did it so Jon Kent’a sexuality could be the main focus of his book which is creepy.
and they didn't even give him a compelling love interest!
they make characters gay just for the sake of publicity and then put zero effort into exploring it in an interesting way.
sometimes ( jon's case in my opinion) even ruining their character.
Dios! Toda la razón.
Incluso puedes ver qué el fandom no está molesto porque Jonh sea gay. Están molestos porque su novio no es Damian o algún personaje interesante que se haya desarrollado.
Jay es la cosa mas insulsa en el mundo 😵💫
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I admittedly love Damien Wayne. Time with Grayson as Batman and also in his own Robin story, Supersons, Teen Titans, Gotham Academy, hell I even love his depictions in Harley Quinn and Injustice. He’s a little shit but he’s adorable and driven. He’s so engaging when he’s vulnerable and soft.
Agreed, DamiAn is severely over hated.
I only liked him when he was written by Morrison, Gleason, Tomasi and Williamson.
DC Writers hate him, and write him as a hateful goblin in all of his stories, or just a f*cking spoiled brat.
Imagine writing a f*cking *CHILD SOLDIER* as a spoiled brat...
Him being vulnerable should come just as natural as with Batman. Damian does everything he does to feel loved, but he also is insecure about his own existance and purpose. He has his own trauma to fight, something he does on his own since he never seems to talk to anyone about it. Not when he was a child soldier, not when he lost people he cared about, not when he went to hell at the age of 10
@@IamDamian412 he is a deeply flawed character and an arrogant one too. A brat if I put it nicely
hey benny this is the first explained video i watched and this was super interesting, i for one love damian wayne but i’m definitely gonna go look into all the other videos so keep up the good work!
Thanks for the awesome and succinct explanation of Damian's journey. I love to hear your summation on The Question.
Great video! Do you think we could get something similar for nightwing? With the Tom Taylor run doing so well I think it could be a good idea. Plus nightwing’s past has always confused going from Batman to a secret agent back to nightwing then he’s Ric Grayson and now he’s nightwing.
Damian kind of reminds me of Superboy Prime sometimes.
Although it's weird to me that Bruce's "real" first son didn't get this first outing. It's odd to just fast forward to this Robin. Either way, I'd really love if they casted the actor who played number 5 in Unbrella Academy as Damians Robin.
Benny more of this! It’s awesome to see where a character goes having only read parts of his journey. Do Red Hood next I’ve only read his intro arc and Hush which is one of the dumbest retcons ever.
excellent video man i love this style of your videos please keep it up!
I just hope they give Damian a Jon eventually
I freaking love their stories
Wont happen, this superman is young.
I think they're returning Supersons with an aged up Jon, and I'm excited for it
@@dumbeetle really?? omg
@@1victim27 yeah, Cosmicstorian made a video on it
@@dumbeetle what is the name of the video? my English is bad srry
Loved this video. Please feel free to do as many as possible about the Bat Family.
I agree if they decide to actually stick to cannon but knowing the way they make these movies, having Damien as Robin won't necessarily mean that we have already had the other robins. He might just be the only Robin to ever exist in that universe
I think Tim should be the robin in a first movie with him realising that it’s dangerous to be so close to Batman maybe learning that form night wing and hearing about Jason’s story than maybe Damian can appear and eventually a red hood story
this>!!! we need tim drake
The problem is that Tim want to be a Robin to help Batman. Be the light in the dark.
Red hood movie should be rated R and be in the same tone as the Batman
I think why Tim’s Robin origin is so great is because it emphasizes how important a Robin is for Batman. I really think it would be a great reintroduction for Robin into the Batman movies since it connects to the previous robins as well.
Tbh I'd like if they moved away from Robins in general if they refuse to do the full bat family justice. Throw some love to Cass or Stephanie or Duke or one of the billion other batfamily young members perfect for the role. We don't need to bounce back and forth between which Robin
I sort of liked the Bunny suit Batman. Jim Gordon being Batman was fun for exactly as long as it lasted.
These explanation videos are great!!
I hope you do more of these explained videos
For the DCU live action for Damian is a good idea. That way you can have an animated series acting as the backstory/ flashbacks of the other. Even going to the level of making the movie flash backs the stills/ comic panels of the animated series.
I could not disagree more. I think Damian can maybe work, but you cannot make him the first Robin.
It's pointless going backwards in the storytelling.
Damian wouldn’t be the first Robin. The animation would be the introduction of young Dick, Jason & Tim.
Live action would then have the adult storylines for those past Robins.
@@the_well-known_stranger2275 you can make him the first Robin IF other Robins are acknowledged. It’s going to be kinda like batfleck where his story started at the end. Only this time would most likely be good and it won’t be his ending
Batman when Jason dies: Oh noooo, that sucks dude, guess I'll give Joker a lil beating
Batman when Damian dies: ILL BRING YOU BACK MY SON I SWEAR TO GOD
You can say Talia milked Batman it's fine we all know
Pretty sure he didn’t want to say she did it against his will.
She....... Ahem........ "Ruphied" him
There, that's the truth
Benny didn't want to say it cause of TH-cam's stupid rule of Some content
@@Tike22 he consented...
@@shelbybayer200 she didn't. That was an accidental retcon because he forgot how Damian was concieved in his origin.
He fixed it with another retcon later. It was all consensual.
to flesh out the story of all the different Robins, they could just do a show called 'Robin' from his perspective and take the story from Dick Grayson all the way to Damian Wayne, just using the movies to tell the major storylines. they should do the same thing with the build up of batman as well so they actually take the time to tell the story rather than rush through it.
I don't read the comics, they just aren't for me. I prefer the shows, and Damian is just my favorite. I prefer him in the Son of Batman universe, but Damian in general is just my favorite
Thanks for the explanation, I'd love to see one on each member of the Batman family.
Please do more videos like this on other characters. I’d love to see a video on his DC missed up Tim Drake
It's so fascinating as someone who likes Batman but doesn't read the comics to hear about these things. It kind of becomes mythologized with just the good bits coming one right after the other, but the reality is a lot of it sucks. Like, Damian, Tim, and Jason have all been fucked over by DC (I'm sure other characters have as well) and I really didn't know how bad it was because adaptations always clean up the time lines and events so they make way more sense
Edit: also I know I'm super late to this, but they're either gonna do just Damian or just one of Dick/Jason/Tim and Damian. There's no way they're going straight to Damian and including three (potentially four if you count Stephanie) other Robins on top of it. Casual moviegoers will be confused as shit
For me, Damian has always been my favourite Robin. I never really connected with Tim and Jason and Dick just suit their ‘newer’ roles better as nightwing and Red hood. I think it’s a combination of things. Firstly he was the Robin when I first got into comics as a kid, think it was around 2009 or something. I also love his outfit. It’s very ninja/assassin like with the hood and I think it looks the coolest. And I think he is really interesting and I’m very sympathetic towards him. As a lot of his ‘coldness’ is due to not having a support network around him. I also love when Bruce and Him kinda open up to each other. And he’s also awesome because of the fact his the biological son of Batman
Thanks for the video
Rest in peace my old teacher
Are we able to get more explained videos?! I would also love to hear about prelude to infinite crisis
Oh, but I would love a series of Batman movies where he gains a new robin with every installment. And with every new movie, the robin from the previous movie has quit being robin in time for some new kid to come along and insist that they're DOING THIS, whether Batman likes it or not. We can have time jumps between movies, so everyone ages up at a reasonable pace. Maybe Talia can be in the first movie, so by the time the forth comes around (or fifth, depending on whether we include Stephany), Damian's age makes sense when he shows up ready to assume the mantle while Bruce is the background saying "NO! I WORK ALONE!" while several past robins all snicker in the shadows. Can't we have that?
Great video!
No lie homie. Explanation videos are legit woot woot
Good video, can't wait to see your Tim video.
I think The Dark Knight Rises should've taken a page out of Batman Beyond and had Bruce train Robin while he was retired for 7 years. A kid that escaped from an orphanage and was trying to steel the car Alfred was driving to sell it and make money. And they take him in, or something like that. He eventually leaves to do his own thing, and becomes a detective.
I like that idea. But I remember reading on IMDB or something that Bale wouldn't be in the franchise if Robin appeared in the trilogy even once.
@@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache I mean he technically did at the end, but I always thought he meant Robin fighting side by side with Batman.
Tbh, the beat way to deal with all the Robins in one solo go is to have all of them together, as they're all unique and each balance the others in their own way.
Sure, we can have Batman in it too, but keep Batman as a secondary character, otherwise we won't be getting much done, because all the focus will be inevitably end up on him if the spotlight stays on him for too long.
Is it easy to come up with a plot for the Robins only? Hell no! It's a mess with all the continuities, reboots, and changes. But is it the better way to introduce them to an universe where at least one of them is already in it? Yes, it is.
the sarcasm in the beginning it's just the best
I feel like the Batman Vs The TMNT movie handled Damian super well, honestly
I hope they give us a major plot twist. Like for the entire movie Robin just calls Batman by his codename, and in the its revealed that it was Dick Grayson the whole time.
damian is my favorite robin and he has so much potential for interesting stories i loved him in the deceased stories
Man i wish we’d get our first batman and robin movie with dick and damian. Maybe the whole battle for the cowl arc. Bruce returning in the post credits scene.
I actually liked the separation of focus with Snyder’s Batman & Batman and Robin.
I get my solo Batman stories and then I get my super emotional Batman grieving with team ups.
That issue of Batman and Robin were he’s grieving and there’s no dialogue was one of my favorite ever comics.
Great video, i'm ready for that Manga vs US Comics, but a video like this from Jason Todd or Booster Gold could be nice
The problem with Gunn's the Brave and the Bold is that it conflicts with his Superman legacy plan. Batman and Superman are supposed to be the same age. However guns current plans have a Superman in his twenties and a Batman in his 40s, maybe 50s.
Thank you so much for expressing your thoughts and opinions, I completely agree with you
great vid boss
For Tim, hear me out … detective agency! Tim Drake has a day job of detective for hire, but it’s also his night job as a detective for supes or even villians on a case by case bases. Maybe paid with a new young magic user
Oh hey do you know there’s a batfamily weebtoon? Like it’s official too, (as far as i know haha) it’s actually really wholesome, and I really like Damions characterization there.
Benny has the webtoon series in the Playlist.
The only time I've ever read about Damian and it didn't grate on my nerves was when Steph and him had to work together in the Batgirl comics and she ended up trying to teach him how to have fun. It was so adorable, I wish that friendship had sustained.
Damien could work for Robin if you show that the others came before. That way you still keep the continuity and also have the older Robins as Red Hood, Nightwing and Red Robin.
I want a movie or series on the we are Robin run with Duke and Damian being the main 2 robins and coming into their own as a duo. Duke is my favorite Batman sidekick
Love this breakdown
I have had an interesting idea, that not only switches up the talk behind Damian, but also frees up the robin mantle. You make Damian Hawk. Like Hawk and Dove. You could make the Dove an interesting character as well, or make the Dove new, and make it a Mystery as to what the new Dove's intentions are. With Damian having to learn how to be Hawk it gives the character something new and a new Moniker
I love Damien but I don't understand why people still hate him
Because he is brat.
Go watch some of the animated movie clips.
I love him but it’s very easy to see why ppl hate him because to build up a new character for some fucking reason the writers they breakdown beloved ones (Nightwing, Deathstroke, to some extent even Bats himself) I still like the demeanor and backstory of Damian but it shouldn’t be at the expense of characters we love. I think the recent Teen Titans comics do a better job.
I understand why people would like him but I personally found him really obnoxous and conceited.
It’s because of Injustice and his first appearance. People who judge Damian off Injustice don’t read comics, and people who judge Damian off his earlier appearances haven’t put the time to read his good comics. But some just don’t like the way he acts which is fine.
Because he is spoiled from the jump. But as time progressed he got better(While still holding his murderous tendencies just a little bit.) but it also takes a lot to be robin. Tim and dick are the only two that gives what it means to be a stable hero
I have always enjoyed Damian and I definitely think he is the most unique of the Robins and has the most room for character growth. I also like that whole destined for greatness or great evil thing where he will either follow his father or his mother's path.
I like that there is place for a while Bat-family because of Damien Wayne...it brings enormous possibilities with Nightwing, batgirl, red hood, Red robin, signal, and the titans, young justice and so much more
Nothing like dragging the son that got his face melted off, and legit only just returned to the family. Out to his torture and deathsite. All while implying that he doesn't count as a son. And then dc swept it under the carpet and pretended it never happened...
We miss you Benny
This is the problem with American comics. When two different writers write a character separately it leads to inconsistencies. Plus the progression of comics is ridiculous like if you finish reading Batman issue 50 then to continue the story you gotta read Superman issue 22. It’s all over the place
Different writers are fine there should BE Something Like a Loremaster WHO Checks them before releasing and If some dumbass writers whined about muh writing freedom fire their Ass. Thats why i prefered Star wars Comics pre Disney and pre TCW because there was an attempt of consistency and they mostly succeed and even better there was never timetravel multiverse bullshit
Tim was always a great Detective and was more serious than the other robins but not cartoonishly serious like Damian so I think he'd work pretty well as Batman
I honestly don't have a problem with Damian, i like him a lot especially in Batman and Robin Born to Kill, he is the most skilled of all the Robins, once he understands what Batman represents, he tries to honor his father the best way possible, and they start to bond as father and son.
And for those who think Batman doesn't see him as a son, i recommend that you " read " the first part of Batman and Robin Requiem.
Then you'll see how Bruce feels about Damian.
I am happy with him as Robin, that means there's a great chance we see Nightwing and Red Hood.
I am just worried about Tim Drake, since he was a little overlooked in the New 52.
I'm just happy Robin is finally going to be done properly in a live action movie. Gunn said Damian is his favorite Robin so I'm really looking forward to this.
Nightwing should definitely be the next one of these videos
So Basically from what I gathered....I think they should do is the following:
•Batman and Robin(with damian as the Robin and featuring other past robins)
•The Nightwing(where they will show a bit of dick Grayson as a Robin and how he later became nightwing)
•The Red hood(Again, the same way showing bit past, then continuing to the present day)
•The Red Robin("")
Great video
GIVE US THOSE VIDEOS!!!
Doesn't help that Damien pushes the whole only true son and heir angle on everyone else.
I like Damian Wayne. But I've never felt that DC knew what they were doing with the character. What makes it worse is that they also screwed over Tim Drake because of how they handled Damian.