I drove some Timeless today. Had them stored outside probably 2 yrs or more and saw no depth stickers missing. Felt them cut thru several tree roots. Great product. I think I'll need to order some more.
Ran these on my ranch about a 10" offset from the barbed wire fence with bullets on the welded steel corners. In our rocky soil here I used a hammer drill and pre-drilled the holes to drive the posts. I have a couple of videos on it on my channel.
Pulled up all the metal T posts several years ago must have been over 400 most were probably over 40 years old and put in Timeless Fence Posts. Actually was surprised that I actually sold all those old metal T-Posts on CraigsL within a month of listing thought I would not be able to give them away.
If you can find them, the hot-dipped galvanized t posts are forever. They are pricey but for barfed wire fencing, it helps the zinc on the wire last many times longer. I have miles of barbed wire fences with hot dipped t posts that are nearly 20 years old. Even the wires have not yet rusted.
Have you ever had to run electric fencing under a gate? If so how would you do it at your farm? I know that’s not ideal with electric fences but I can’t run above on a couple gates. How could I do that without losing much electricity on my fence. I’ve never heard you talk about that part in your fencing videos. Maybe in a future video? Thanks in advance
Use 160 psi 3/4” polyethylene pipe and bury it 12” under the gate. Push a piece of the black insulated wire through the pipe and use a crimp on each side of your gate to carry power under your gate. Never bury the black insulated wire by itself under a gate. They all eventually ground out your fence. I learned that lesson the hard way.
I’m putting new fence on my farm, so according to this video i better save my money and put in a 2 high tensile wire fence in instead of a 4 barbwire fence
Thanks for the video! I love my Timeless fence post too. Best money you can spend on fence. It is very sharp looking too. I’ll be calling them sometime this year again to get more fence. I don’t like working with barb wire either. It has ruin more clothes than anything else of mine along with gloves and lots of cuts too.
We sell all sizes of fiberglass posts at our farm, but you still have to paint them and drill them before you use them. The fiberglass dust that you get on yourself from drilling them is not a picnic, terrible stuff to breath and get on your skin.
I became a dealer for them in central Montana so i could sell them to local ranchers and install them on my place not many ranchers want to hear about electric fence.
@@swamp-yankee its not much depending on how much fencing you have to do on your place you have to buy a certin amount of the post product not anyother thing on there website it has to be there product.
I have 10 acres with no perimeter fencing. Currently have goats on another property that I need to move to our 10 acre property. Is this good for perimeter or should I go with goat fence for perimeter and just use this for small paddocks and rotation grazing?
I was wondering, I get the 20’ or so on spacing for flat ground, but what should the spacing be as the slope increases? How extreme of a slope? My line fence with the neighbor undulates like a snake.
On rolling uneven ground, your post spacing is dictated by your bottom wire height staying at the core t distance from the ground. If you go up over a hump in the landscape with your fence, you need a post at the top of the hump. If your humps are closer than 20’ apart, your spacing between posts will be closer.
Thank you! Would you put a brace post at the bottom of a hollow? I have some pretty egregious dips. Say 20-30’ down 20’ across 20-30’ back up. This is a line fence so it has to be there. I have some 2” fiberglass posts I’ve thought about using at the bottoms.
@@champherren I had one lift out of the ground in the bottom of a berm that directs water around the land owners yard. In that spot I had three posts close together to keep the fence regular. I am going to replace the one at the bottom with a longer one, so my fence doesn’t have upward pressure and run a short piece of soft wire for the bottom there. In all other places they have done well on our hard rolling ground. I wouldn’t worry about adding brace posts unless you’re turning corners.
We use a tractor hi-lift hand jack with a log chain. You want a post that stays in the ground and takes a lot of force before it comes out of the ground.
I like those brown ones. You put any in yet? I could see it possibly being harder for wildlife to see that fence, but if it didn’t cause any problems I’d probably chose brown if they were the same price.
On a past video Greg said he liked a fence made of white posts because the visual of a line of white posts also is a deterrent to livestock - they know there's a fence over in that direction.
I have to buy some T posts and I would love to give them a try. However, being that they are literally almost twice the cost of the steel ones(which I can buy locally), before their shipping costs. I simply cannot afford that.
If you put a value on your time, not having to check for electric fence being grounded against your steel posts every couple days will save you hundreds of hours and frustration of trying to keep your electric fence hot. We never have any shorts against metal because we use either Timeless or fiberglass posts. In my early days I used steel posts and decided that electric fence was not worth the hassle of keeping it hot, my mistake!!!!!
Amazing posts, I have a couple of different brands of self insulated posts on my farm, timeless is one of them, the other brand was good too, they worked for me, but they are no longer available.
I think electric fence will be obsolete in a few yrs, when ranchers get access to virtual fence technology. It will be a game changer to rotational grazers
@@gregjudyregenerativerancher Down under our thin top layer we have multiple layers of rock; we generally try to drive t-posts right on through, with a t-post driver or a front end loader. Sometimes we have to use a 1" rock bit on our posthole digger and pre-drill through it. Are these strong enough to handle that kind of abuse?
They are well aware he is prbly their best advertiser. I bought few thousand $$ worth supplies from Timeless. Told them it was b/c of Greg Judy videos. The products are great. Like them very much, top quality.
You guys go ahead and buy those plastic posts. Maybe that will drive down the price of steel t post so when you go to replace them in few years of sun-britling exposure it won't be as expensive when you need to replace them all. Geez!
I respect your opinion, just giving mine. I am not against non conductive. I use non-conductive rods for temporary fencing. I use them for deer protection of vegetables row crops. Three single lines for perimeter or a single line directly over each row. They are great, just wrap around the rod with a little tension and keep going. Electric fence is great for cross fencing and for rotational grazing paddocks. I just don't see the plastic t posts as a forever option for permanent fencing, not to mention the price. And what about rocky ground when driving them. A metal t post can be pounded through all but solid rock. If the price was competitive maybe they would be an option for me in soft soil with no rocks, but there are nearly always rocks. Either way, barbed wire fencing (mine are 6 strands at the road) will keep cattle in after a lightning strike has damaged the electric fence charger.
Not to debate, but just to let you know, the posts are UV treated and also have a 20-year warranty. Also, we recently installed about 50 posts on very rocky, stripped land with just a t-post pounder, no drilling and no problem.
I drove some Timeless today. Had them stored outside probably 2 yrs or more and saw no depth stickers missing. Felt them cut thru several tree roots. Great product. I think I'll need to order some more.
Marshall was smarter than most people today, probably had no debt ,and made a living farming.
Marshall never bought anything that he could not pay cash for!
Use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do with out!
Ran these on my ranch about a 10" offset from the barbed wire fence with bullets on the welded steel corners. In our rocky soil here I used a hammer drill and pre-drilled the holes to drive the posts. I have a couple of videos on it on my channel.
Am in the same boat 10 to 12" of soil...lol
Pulled up all the metal T posts several years ago must have been over 400 most were probably over 40 years old and put in Timeless Fence Posts. Actually was surprised that I actually sold all those old metal T-Posts on CraigsL within a month of listing thought I would not be able to give them away.
Greg, you're my 2nd fav cowboy next to Buster Scruggs
( who you strongly resemble).
But he's dead, so you are #1.
Him and Hopalong Cassady.
I just put in an order with Timeless. Thanks Greg!
You made a good choice, awesome product that will perform for you. The folks at Timeless are great to work with as well.
Just put up a bunch of Timeless here in Tennessee.
Iam going to try some timeless posts up here in South Dakota this spring on 4000 ft. of flat ground, Thanks Greg and Jan for sharing your knowledge.
I believe you will like them.
If you can find them, the hot-dipped galvanized t posts are forever. They are pricey but for barfed wire fencing, it helps the zinc on the wire last many times longer. I have miles of barbed wire fences with hot dipped t posts that are nearly 20 years old. Even the wires have not yet rusted.
What height t-post should I use to keep coyotes and foxes out?
Are you using the 1.
75"? Also what length are you using for cattle? Thx
Are the timeless step in posts any good, or are the O’Brien ones still better?
Have you ever had to run electric fencing under a gate? If so how would you do it at your farm? I know that’s not ideal with electric fences but I can’t run above on a couple gates. How could I do that without losing much electricity on my fence. I’ve never heard you talk about that part in your fencing videos. Maybe in a future video? Thanks in advance
Use 160 psi 3/4” polyethylene pipe and bury it 12” under the gate. Push a piece of the black insulated wire through the pipe and use a crimp on each side of your gate to carry power under your gate. Never bury the black insulated wire by itself under a gate. They all eventually ground out your fence. I learned that lesson the hard way.
I’m putting new fence on my farm, so according to this video i better save my money and put in a 2 high tensile wire fence in instead of a 4 barbwire fence
Thanks for the video! I love my Timeless fence post too. Best money you can spend on fence. It is very sharp looking too. I’ll be calling them sometime this year again to get more fence. I don’t like working with barb wire either. It has ruin more clothes than anything else of mine along with gloves and lots of cuts too.
So is a 4ft timeless post measure 4ft above ground or do I need to get a longer post to have 4ft above ground
You need a 5 foot post
Possibly a 5 1/2 foot post to ensure you have enough in the ground to perform correctly.
Ever look at KenCove and their fiberglass fenceposts?
We sell all sizes of fiberglass posts at our farm, but you still have to paint them and drill them before you use them. The fiberglass dust that you get on yourself from drilling them is not a picnic, terrible stuff to breath and get on your skin.
They sell a predrilled ½x4' post
I have a 6 strand hi tensile wire how far can you space them? Is 30 ft too far? Thank you in advance.
I became a dealer for them in central Montana so i could sell them to local ranchers and install them on my place not many ranchers want to hear about electric fence.
How much starting capital did it take for you to do that?
@@swamp-yankee its not much depending on how much fencing you have to do on your place you have to buy a certin amount of the post product not anyother thing on there website it has to be there product.
I have 10 acres with no perimeter fencing. Currently have goats on another property that I need to move to our 10 acre property. Is this good for perimeter or should I go with goat fence for perimeter and just use this for small paddocks and rotation grazing?
I was wondering, I get the 20’ or so on spacing for flat ground, but what should the spacing be as the slope increases? How extreme of a slope? My line fence with the neighbor undulates like a snake.
On rolling uneven ground, your post spacing is dictated by your bottom wire height staying at the core t distance from the ground. If you go up over a hump in the landscape with your fence, you need a post at the top of the hump. If your humps are closer than 20’ apart, your spacing between posts will be closer.
Thank you! Would you put a brace post at the bottom of a hollow? I have some pretty egregious dips. Say 20-30’ down 20’ across 20-30’ back up. This is a line fence so it has to be there. I have some 2” fiberglass posts I’ve thought about using at the bottoms.
@@champherren I had one lift out of the ground in the bottom of a berm that directs water around the land owners yard. In that spot I had three posts close together to keep the fence regular. I am going to replace the one at the bottom with a longer one, so my fence doesn’t have upward pressure and run a short piece of soft wire for the bottom there. In all other places they have done well on our hard rolling ground. I wouldn’t worry about adding brace posts unless you’re turning corners.
Do they sell 9ft posts for keeping deer out?
Thanks
Hey how hard are the post to pull out of the ground ? In case I need to relocate fence.
We use a tractor hi-lift hand jack with a log chain. You want a post that stays in the ground and takes a lot of force before it comes out of the ground.
Could you talk about how you terminate the high tensile wire on each end when using the Timeless posts? I am about to run 2,000 feet of wire.
I like those brown ones. You put any in yet? I could see it possibly being harder for wildlife to see that fence, but if it didn’t cause any problems I’d probably chose brown if they were the same price.
On a past video Greg said he liked a fence made of white posts because the visual of a line of white posts also is a deterrent to livestock - they know there's a fence over in that direction.
how to you build a corner with a timeless fence system?
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We will be doing a video on that in the near future.
Timeless fence I believe has a 20 year warranty on their fence posts...
I have to buy some T posts and I would love to give them a try. However, being that they are literally almost twice the cost of the steel ones(which I can buy locally), before their shipping costs. I simply cannot afford that.
If you put a value on your time, not having to check for electric fence being grounded against your steel posts every couple days will save you hundreds of hours and frustration of trying to keep your electric fence hot. We never have any shorts against metal because we use either Timeless or fiberglass posts. In my early days I used steel posts and decided that electric fence was not worth the hassle of keeping it hot, my mistake!!!!!
Amazing posts, I have a couple of different brands of self insulated posts on my farm, timeless is one of them, the other brand was good too, they worked for me, but they are no longer available.
Is 10 inch height a good height to keep dogs in? I’m wanting to run one lower but not wanting to end up in a bind with an unforeseen issue.
I have one at 8 for my flock. They can still eat under it at that hight
8” is a perfect height for your bottom wire. If you go lower, you get into a ton of vegetative load on your electric fence.
Thank you for the quick response!! Throwing together my hot wire today! Using all your strategies, Greg! Got a cyclops charger too!!
That’s awesome, good grazing to you!
I think electric fence will be obsolete in a few yrs, when ranchers get access to virtual fence technology. It will be a game changer to rotational grazers
They need to figure a way to reduce the cost of it before it becomes mainstream.
Won’t it break with clay and rock
Our soil is clay and they drive fine. If you hit a rock with any post, it is best to move it over to a new spot and drive it in.
@@gregjudyregenerativerancher Down under our thin top layer we have multiple layers of rock; we generally try to drive t-posts right on through, with a t-post driver or a front end loader. Sometimes we have to use a 1" rock bit on our posthole digger and pre-drill through it. Are these strong enough to handle that kind of abuse?
We installed them in our Arizona desert grazing system that we put in. We used a rock bit I really rocky areas and they drove fine.
Wish we could use those, but we have to keep other animals out as well so we need hog fencing that goes to the ground......
Is Greg affiliated with the Timeless post company?
Greg hasn’t said so.
And I believe he would, if he was.
I contacted Timeless and they Sent me a Sample Pack ..free.
He did a Vid from Timeless
When he was in TN, tho. Watch the Vid, about 1 1/2- 2 yrs ago.
If he isnt he should be! I haven't watched from the beginning, but seems to have used them for years.
They are well aware he is prbly their best advertiser. I bought few thousand $$ worth supplies from Timeless. Told them it was b/c of Greg Judy videos. The products are great. Like them very much, top quality.
I'm think they send a rep to his Grazing School seminars, so I'd say yes.
Woody Harrelson in an alternate reality
🎉
5.5 ft steel t posts cost 10.99 each in costal Maine 8 footers cost 15.99 each. Yikes
Don’t they have some that slide over a t-post
I'm not aware of it if they do.
You guys go ahead and buy those plastic posts. Maybe that will drive down the price of steel t post so when you go to replace them in few years of sun-britling exposure it won't be as expensive when you need to replace them all. Geez!
You can have your steel posts!! I will stay with my mom conductive posts all day long. No shorts on our fence posts to worry about.
I respect your opinion, just giving mine. I am not against non conductive. I use non-conductive rods for temporary fencing. I use them for deer protection of vegetables row crops. Three single lines for perimeter or a single line directly over each row. They are great, just wrap around the rod with a little tension and keep going. Electric fence is great for cross fencing and for rotational grazing paddocks. I just don't see the plastic t posts as a forever option for permanent fencing, not to mention the price. And what about rocky ground when driving them. A metal t post can be pounded through all but solid rock. If the price was competitive maybe they would be an option for me in soft soil with no rocks, but there are nearly always rocks. Either way, barbed wire fencing (mine are 6 strands at the road) will keep cattle in after a lightning strike has damaged the electric fence charger.
Not to debate, but just to let you know, the posts are UV treated and also have a 20-year warranty. Also, we recently installed about 50 posts on very rocky, stripped land with just a t-post pounder, no drilling and no problem.