You have been very helpful to me. I am a long-time Logic user (started with emagic) but I always pick up something new from your videos. Thank you. Keep it up.
I love when you teaching something with Music Theory stuff:) I don't like others who just teach tips without theory or basics. I even doubt them, whether or not their musical background/musicianship is strong.
Transposing Midi track through the piano roll is way faster than inspector. Highlight track then Shift Alt arrow up for octaves. Alt arrow up semitones. Way faster.
This is an interesting concept. Creating a grid within a key range, so no matter where you place them it’ll sound at least right. Of course writing an actual piece (as you did) would make it that much more useful.
To answer your question, MTHG: I think the reason Logic is not transposing all Midi data to the other key when switching it is because you wouldnt want Drum/percussive Midi to behave the same way.
I knew there was a reason I was always so ocd about setting the key b4 starting my song lol I have even dragged in a sample from outside logic to start then realized I didn't switch the key, so then I wld undo till I brought anything in set the key then start back over. I always laughed at myself for doing this but I also had a huge headache from a project one time so I always thght it was worth it to avoid that again!
When creating a sample based beat, when do you determine the song key? Do you assign the key from the beginning and have the samples automatically adjust to the key when imported? Or do you determine the final sample melody and pitch and build the key from there?
If you start with everything in mind from the beginning I think it just would make things easier. Vocal samples are tough if you can’t figure out the key for sure
Million dollar question. I have yet to find out to find this answer. So once I have recorded in Cmaj, especially auto, there is no way to change the key of my project? So hard to ask this long question correctly.
I found your videos very insightful..thanks for the brilliant tutorials. I started having issues as soon i upgraded to 10.6 some of my projects were sounding out of timing/rhythm, is there a way we can figure out what may be going with the timing in the settings?
are you able to change chords? say a circle C F G Am ( not transposing the whole song ) I would like to purchase. I would like to play my keyboard with their sounds/loops
When I used garage band it would keep everything in the project in the key I selected, but in logic it doesn’t seem to make a difference what key I select; nothing is changed to maintain the key.
Man I wish you can drag and drop splice loops and it automatically changes to the project song key just like how u demonstrated with an audio file from logic.
I make rock music in logic using the Producers Kit - Heavy. Once the drums in the full song is midi mapped, I export midi and exchange the drums for a sample replaced version of EZ Drummer. One thing that I’ve been interesting in knowing if possible is tuning the kick drum of that then wave file to the key of the song. Is that something that any of you know as possible? And if so, might you be willing to either show me how or provide a link in your comment as to how. Thank you 🤟🏻💀🤟🏻
If you go into the Drummer plugin itself on the channel strip, you'll see that you can dampen as well as tune each piece of the kit. Then, with the Tuner plugin open in a separate window, just adjust till you get close, but it will always fluctuate between 2 or 3 notes. I wish you could actually set it to a specific note like you can with the kick in Ultrabeat.
Is there a way to change the key of the loop for just that loop length? In Music Maker, they provide 7 variants of a sample so you get not progression.
Is there anyway to do what you dod but make it bring up the piano roll instead. I know FL Studio can do it but I have yet to see Logic bring it up in piano roll for scales.
yeah everytime you have a loop on a piano or strings especially violin or even a tuba, apparantly the lower the key the lower the pitch andd the lower the speed. Fr that dont make no sense of logics automatic transposer
@@Srananmufasa Thank you for your response. I realize that it's the East West software that does that. So lucky I still had the midi. So I had to go back to the midi, change the key as midi then bounce it as audio again in the desired key.
@@melodyman9162 ah yeah saw someone mentioning ab manually transposing the audio and save every seperate audio file and put it in to the sampler all as different sample sounds
It only does this for tagged Apple Loops. Although, you CAN add any outside loop into the Loop Library, tag it with key information, and then it will behave just like any other loop. It's a little bit more work, but if you have some common loops and samples you use all the time, it can be helpful.
What about pulling samples from splice? If I set the Key from the start in logic, and then pull samples in, will it change the key? or does it only work with apple loops
External loops (audio or MIDI) will not change with the global key. However, you can easily transpose them manually, just like I did using the region inspector.
Here we are in 2024 and I keep working with Logic projects where the creator did not set the project key. So, do I clean it up, or let it be? Well… a lot of these producers have no music theory knowledge. The key and time signature mean nothing to them.
Ghost notes don't have anything to do with staying in key. That has to do with velocity and dynamics. Unless I'm misunderstanding your idea of a 'ghost note'.
@@MusicTechHelpGuy ghost notes meaning they are muted highlighted notes, depending which scale they are. search for ghost notes, which guys show they highlight all the notes, then quantize for specific scale, then make another track underneath it and highlight both, but the above track doesnt make sound, since it's muted, serving only as guidance....blows y mind logic doesn't do something like that natively, because even FL loops does it and logic poses as most musician/composer friendly yet missing basic feature for learning musicians
@@martinkulik9466 I see what you mean. Yeah, hopefully Logic introduces some more user-friendly tools for scale and key learning. Usually when people talk bout 'ghost notes' they mean soft notes, using on the snare, in drum recordings.
I'm sorry, but this is why so much new music sucks..if you're depending on the computer to keep your parts in the right key, perhaps you shouldn't be making music.
Hey Chip, don't you think it's a pretty conceited way of thinking that a beginner should know everything about music fundamentals BEFORE trying to create music? That's like saying a songwriter should have to go to college, learn formal music theory and composition, THEN start writing music. That's not really how music works, love it or hate, music is completely subjective. You slowly discover and learn it over time. I have a master's degree in music composition, so I music theory is like speaking English to me now. But it wasn't just going to college for music that taught me how to write. I've seen lots of people go to college and learn formal theory, but then they never do anything with it in practice. They learned the craft, but never used it. Which I would argue is even worse than a beginner trying to make beats without any formal music fundamentals. At least the person trying to make music, is experimenting with music in practice, and trying to to learn through the process. There was a time when I didn't know anything, I was a beginner too, and had someone like you squashed my interest in songwriting, I would have never pursued a career in audio and music production. I don't have a day job, Chip, because I produce, record, mix, edit, write, and teach music for a living. If someone had squashed my passion for music because I didn't understand scales yet, I may be sitting at some boring desk job, barely making ends meet. Now, don't get me wrong, if someone wants to be a music professional, then yes, they should take it upon themselves to learn the fundamentals of music. But it's not as simple as just learning music first, then writing, it's not that cut and dry. It's more of a 'Chicken and the Egg' situation.
@@MusicTechHelpGuy I think his point though is that if you can’t hear when something sounds right then you have much bigger issues than trying to make a good song. I don’t know anything about music theory and have no degrees in music. But I write songs all the time in logic or on guitar or piano and people love them. I always leave the key on c maj and just write in my own stuff. You don’t need music training for everything to sound like it belongs together you just need an ear for music. However I do appreciate this tutorial and will try it out to see how it effects my music 😁
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Great video as always, MusicTechHelpGuy! You have thought me almost everything I know about Logic and I'm super grateful for this!
These videos with real world problems that beginners run into are very helpful ! thanks !
Definitely! Many Thanks!
Super wonderful and useful video! thank you so much Josh!
You have been very helpful to me. I am a long-time Logic user (started with emagic) but I always pick up something new from your videos. Thank you. Keep it up.
I've been using logic since 2008 and I had no clue about this. Awesome video
This tutorial changed my game. thanks bro!!!!
I love when you teaching something with Music Theory stuff:) I don't like others who just teach tips without theory or basics. I even doubt them, whether or not their musical background/musicianship is strong.
Can this be done with non-Apple loops in .WAV format ? Thanks
You can transport them to correct key in the top left inspector window then duplicate and bounce in place/save dumdum
I always wondered what your background was in music or logic, u remind me of my pro tools teacher from back in the day.
You are getting a credit on my album.
Dude, love your videos. Really helpful. Greetz from Austria
Sooooo helpful. Been searching for years on this one. Thank you.
Hi Josh that was actually really helpful and will make my work flow run smoother . Thank You
Thank you for sharing your vast knowledge for free! Always learn a little something from all of your videos! You rock bro! \m/
So helpful, thank you
Transposing Midi track through the piano roll is way faster than inspector.
Highlight track then Shift Alt arrow up for octaves. Alt arrow up semitones. Way faster.
This is an interesting concept. Creating a grid within a key range, so no matter where you place them it’ll sound at least right.
Of course writing an actual piece (as you did) would make it that much more useful.
Thanks! This was very helpful!
Thanks man, concise and full of great info.
Thank you so much for explaining this Logic Pro feature!!!
Wish i could *_like_* this a thousand times.
extremely deep analysis, thanks a lot sir
Good Video on the basics brother....hopefully will inspire more people to get into the awesome world of basic music theory....Joe from Staten Island
I liked before watching and it’s worth it
To answer your question, MTHG: I think the reason Logic is not transposing all Midi data to the other key when switching it is because you wouldnt want Drum/percussive Midi to behave the same way.
I knew there was a reason I was always so ocd about setting the key b4 starting my song lol
I have even dragged in a sample from outside logic to start then realized I didn't switch the key, so then I wld undo till I brought anything in set the key then start back over. I always laughed at myself for doing this but I also had a huge headache from a project one time so I always thght it was worth it to avoid that again!
Super helpful! Thank you.
Life saver!!!! Thanks for this video 👍
Amazing
This is great. Thank you.
When creating a sample based beat, when do you determine the song key? Do you assign the key from the beginning and have the samples automatically adjust to the key when imported? Or do you determine the final sample melody and pitch and build the key from there?
If you start with everything in mind from the beginning I think it just would make things easier. Vocal samples are tough if you can’t figure out the key for sure
Dope !!! Thank you!!
thank you so very much
Can you please make a video on vocal sampling and CHOP, for making music by vocals or making effects through vocal.
Excellent video!
Love this channel, I always learn something new. Btw, that sequence could be a Swedish House Mafia record.
great trickssss
Cool tip! Thanks!
Ballenas kaviaar!
this is super helpful
Super helpful!
Great video, thanks.
Thanks very helpful
Thanks - always (used to) get into a tangle with transposition. no more :)
Million dollar question. I have yet to find out to find this answer. So once I have recorded in Cmaj, especially auto, there is no way to change the key of my project? So hard to ask this long question correctly.
How doe this work with third party loops?
Thank you so much
I found your videos very insightful..thanks for the brilliant tutorials. I started having issues as soon i upgraded to 10.6 some of my projects were sounding out of timing/rhythm, is there a way we can figure out what may be going with the timing in the settings?
3:45 He Played the “$UICIDEBOY$ - For The Last Time” Sample lol
Thank you!!!
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I know that sound hahaha
Glad to know even top producers use apple loop samples
are you able to change chords? say a circle C F G Am ( not transposing the whole song ) I would like to purchase. I would like to play my keyboard with their sounds/loops
For transposing the midi, use the global track key sig lane.
The Global key signature lane is tied to the global key of the project, and therefore does not have any affect on the MIDI loops.
@@MusicTechHelpGuy Sorry, I meant the global transpose lane.
Thank you so much..
Thank you . does it also work with samples from SPLICE or own recorded audio files ?
When I used garage band it would keep everything in the project in the key I selected, but in logic it doesn’t seem to make a difference what key I select; nothing is changed to maintain the key.
Wow.
What if I started beat and want to find the key? Because I’m not sure what key it’s in?
What about composing in modes? There are no modes to select in the lcd display.
Just figure out which major/minor is the "relative mode" of the mode you want to use. Like if you want F Lydian, you would just select C Major.
Man I wish you can drag and drop splice loops and it automatically changes to the project song key just like how u demonstrated with an audio file from logic.
What is the likelihood that this is loosely the same across the updated daw multiverse??
Thank you. I thought I was doing it wrong, but it was logic this whole time.
I make rock music in logic using the Producers Kit - Heavy. Once the drums in the full song is midi mapped, I export midi and exchange the drums for a sample replaced version of EZ Drummer.
One thing that I’ve been interesting in knowing if possible is tuning the kick drum of that then wave file to the key of the song.
Is that something that any of you know as possible? And if so, might you be willing to either show me how or provide a link in your comment as to how.
Thank you 🤟🏻💀🤟🏻
If you go into the Drummer plugin itself on the channel strip, you'll see that you can dampen as well as tune each piece of the kit. Then, with the Tuner plugin open in a separate window, just adjust till you get close, but it will always fluctuate between 2 or 3 notes. I wish you could actually set it to a specific note like you can with the kick in Ultrabeat.
@@forcetheedges Thank you! I’m going to try that. And yes, that would be nice. I’ll let you know if it works. Much appreciated 🤟🏻
Is there a way to change the key of the loop for just that loop length? In Music Maker, they provide 7 variants of a sample so you get not progression.
Is there anyway to do what you dod but make it bring up the piano roll instead. I know FL Studio can do it but I have yet to see Logic bring it up in piano roll for scales.
Great vid man, I was wondering why when I change keys it causes my audio to go out of sync? Especially the strings.
yeah everytime you have a loop on a piano or strings especially violin or even a tuba, apparantly the lower the key the lower the pitch andd the lower the speed. Fr that dont make no sense of logics automatic transposer
@@Srananmufasa Thank you for your response. I realize that it's the East West software that does that. So lucky I still had the midi. So I had to go back to the midi, change the key as midi then bounce it as audio again in the desired key.
@@melodyman9162 ah yeah saw someone mentioning ab manually transposing the audio and save every seperate audio file and put it in to the sampler all as different sample sounds
BEST!!
Mazaa aaya
What if your song is in melodic minor or harmonic minor ..just not in regular major or minor scales?
quick question, does it transpose the sample when using untagged loops or is it just when using apple loops? Just wondered, top vid as always
It only does this for tagged Apple Loops. Although, you CAN add any outside loop into the Loop Library, tag it with key information, and then it will behave just like any other loop. It's a little bit more work, but if you have some common loops and samples you use all the time, it can be helpful.
@@MusicTechHelpGuy thank you for the reply, I will try this out. keep up the great work
What about pulling samples from splice? If I set the Key from the start in logic, and then pull samples in, will it change the key? or does it only work with apple loops
Couldn't you transpose the audio to the key of the project with Waves tune real time?
Why does Apple not offer D# major?
It’s the same thing as E flat major.
Some drums are tuned.
Noice
What about loopsnthat not apple loops?
External loops (audio or MIDI) will not change with the global key. However, you can easily transpose them manually, just like I did using the region inspector.
Here we are in 2024 and I keep working with Logic projects where the creator did not set the project key. So, do I clean it up, or let it be? Well… a lot of these producers have no music theory knowledge. The key and time signature mean nothing to them.
Nice. I use FL Studio though
"I'm your biggest fan I'll follow you until you love me"
you might want to re title this video as 'beats' to my understanding is drum kits... i'd use music.
Too bad no piano roll ghost notes tricks mentioned
Ghost notes don't have anything to do with staying in key. That has to do with velocity and dynamics. Unless I'm misunderstanding your idea of a 'ghost note'.
@@MusicTechHelpGuy ghost notes meaning they are muted highlighted notes, depending which scale they are. search for ghost notes, which guys show they highlight all the notes, then quantize for specific scale, then make another track underneath it and highlight both, but the above track doesnt make sound, since it's muted, serving only as guidance....blows y mind logic doesn't do something like that natively, because even FL loops does it and logic poses as most musician/composer friendly yet missing basic feature for learning musicians
@@martinkulik9466 I see what you mean. Yeah, hopefully Logic introduces some more user-friendly tools for scale and key learning. Usually when people talk bout 'ghost notes' they mean soft notes, using on the snare, in drum recordings.
I'm sorry, but this is why so much new music sucks..if you're depending on the computer to keep your parts in the right key, perhaps you shouldn't be making music.
Hey Chip, don't you think it's a pretty conceited way of thinking that a beginner should know everything about music fundamentals BEFORE trying to create music? That's like saying a songwriter should have to go to college, learn formal music theory and composition, THEN start writing music. That's not really how music works, love it or hate, music is completely subjective. You slowly discover and learn it over time.
I have a master's degree in music composition, so I music theory is like speaking English to me now. But it wasn't just going to college for music that taught me how to write. I've seen lots of people go to college and learn formal theory, but then they never do anything with it in practice. They learned the craft, but never used it. Which I would argue is even worse than a beginner trying to make beats without any formal music fundamentals. At least the person trying to make music, is experimenting with music in practice, and trying to to learn through the process.
There was a time when I didn't know anything, I was a beginner too, and had someone like you squashed my interest in songwriting, I would have never pursued a career in audio and music production. I don't have a day job, Chip, because I produce, record, mix, edit, write, and teach music for a living. If someone had squashed my passion for music because I didn't understand scales yet, I may be sitting at some boring desk job, barely making ends meet. Now, don't get me wrong, if someone wants to be a music professional, then yes, they should take it upon themselves to learn the fundamentals of music. But it's not as simple as just learning music first, then writing, it's not that cut and dry. It's more of a 'Chicken and the Egg' situation.
@@MusicTechHelpGuy I think his point though is that if you can’t hear when something sounds right then you have much bigger issues than trying to make a good song. I don’t know anything about music theory and have no degrees in music. But I write songs all the time in logic or on guitar or piano and people love them. I always leave the key on c maj and just write in my own stuff. You don’t need music training for everything to sound like it belongs together you just need an ear for music.
However I do appreciate this tutorial and will try it out to see how it effects my music 😁