was the nerf justified for the buff? i dont think so... you're going to experience the slam nerfs on EVERY SLAM. you wont experience the punch buff on every punch...
definitely not, changed one of doomfists many problems with the wall angle punch. and since he was apparently to “good” for the devs they continue to nerf him
Marvel Rivals exist,on a serious note they just lack creativity Winston exist , they made Doom who was unique into a Winston with overhealth and a punch minus a shield,now Hazard is out who is just a better Doom like wth are they doing and Venture is Doom like imo , these Devs don’t care after Classic is done so am I with them
If you ask me I think they buffed him so they could use it as an excuse to nerf more of the skill expression. They had already buffed punch before this last buff. But of course since it's the easier ability they will continue to put power in it and push it to the absolute limit.
It's not justified. I immediately noticed the slam change and thought I was going crazy until I read the patch notes. I don’t know what the developers were doing, but they messed up.
"We noticed Doomfist got a lot more pleasant to play as a result of our buff, so we rushed to make him feel like shit again." With love, your favorite Team 4 balancing team.
They did they same back in season 7 / October Patch he was pretty solid (this was before hog got his rework) then out of nowhere they nerfed his stun on his reg punch (250ms - 150ms) and enpowered punch (750ms - 600ms) which may not seem like much but It has got me killed so many times / denied me more kills than i can imagine
"We made doom's rocket punch actually function properly and not get as many sliders, so we're nerfing seismic slam for no reason" Like it's so infuriating how after constant feedback from basically both sides of doom players and non doom players saying "Hey, punchbotting is fucking boring" and these people STILL only make rocket punch better and refuse to put power into the rest of his abilities. It's full blown incompetence. His primary fire hasn't improved at all. His slam has only gotten objectively worse in every way possible since the beta. What's the point?
@@damienisyourdad9228 Doom meta is one of the healthiest meta's in the game doom is the most squishy / punishable tank's in ow2 and hes high risk high reward unlike Orisa and widow who are low risk high reward Characters
Blizzard is incredible. They put the nail in the coffin for me to just not play Overwatch and make the switch to Rivals. It’s like Blizzard was begging me to leave.
You overwatch haters piss me off. I play both and there’s absolutely no way you say a slam nerf on doom and went yeah let me play rivals where I get slept frozen by the two most meta supports in the game while they press Q and make their whole team unkillable. With the best hero’s being hela and Hawkeye that are basically budget widow makers
the slam nerf is so insanely noticeable. It feels like so many deaths now are directly because of this nerf. Its insane. bro give me 25 degree if it means getting some movement and survivability back dang man.
my input has always been move the power from empowered punch to literally anything else. slam could use it, shotgun could use it, literally would rather see a change put anywhere else and it would benefit doom in a much more positive way. since they dont want to do that, i dont feel passion to play the hero and hazard looks far more interesting to me.
i might sound crazy for saying this but i actually think empowered punch needs a buff. it should be way stronger BUT you need to nerf the shit out of block so getting emp punch is really hard and doesnt happen often but thats gonna be okay cause u buff slam / primary fire and maybe normal punch a little and you can play his non emp punch gameplay and get value and if u happen to get emp punch which should be really hard then you have a chance to get big value.
the tragic tale of alway watching my favorite overwatch content creators go through the same cycle where they read the patch notes and are faced with the truth that the game devs dont have any idea what they are doing or what direction to take this dying game
Nerfing the distance... Fine i guess if they really had this urge to nerf him in a way but increasing the cooldown? There was no need to double down. Just awful.
Devs don't know shit about what they're doing. Just nerfing a random ability to compensate for a buff every time. I hope marvel rivals hurt their profits badly so they learn to be more competent and listen to the community/experts. Doom is meant to have a high skill expression but hard to learn and be consistent with. Nerfing his escapability whilst making another ability easier to hit lowers the skill expression and overall performance for great players. Great players will hit the right angle anyways
i said the exact same thing like at this point just revert the buff and the nerf, this nerf is fucking ass, i hate nerfs that change the cooldown time of a mobility ability
And i was wondering why i didnt hit anyone with my slams today, in the other hand ive went back to diamond 5 on console so i guess the nerf was just to piss off everyone that played doom
It crazy the fact that they refuse to nerf an immortal horse who can legit walk through most ult take no stun and can counter alot of ult by clicking left click but instead of that they nerf a charecter that get counter by 70% of the charecter in the game. W logic
Literally said the same when I read the patch. They gave punch a QoL change so it works more as it should, then nerfed slam which is already AWFUL?? Braindead balance team. As someone who mains Doom, Genji (and Hanzo), you hit the nail on the head. Most times I try to outplay my enemy with movement, I feel like I'm just delaying the inevitable. Might as well be playing parkour customs, instead of sweating just to lose against the likes of Hog, Sombra, Cass, Ana, Brig every other match.
i actually agree with this because they've done this exact thing before. season 1 doom was fine, they gave him a meme / bad buff in season 2 then 9 days later they made him worse than what he was in season 1. this is the 3rd or 4th time they've done this to doom
I saw another comment where it was like “Punch is working as intended, therefore we must nerf Doomfist” this dev team is a fucking joke. Nerfing heros who take more skill, easy to counter. Yet buffing tanks like Orisa and Mauga for *literally* zero reason. Also they just refuse to touch widow. You think with their biggest competitor they’d finally take the stick out their ass but nah. Honestly whoever is apart of the balance team they need to be fired. Idc if someone’s losing a job, you done nothing but put out bad work it’s only natural. They’re a part of the reason this game gets clowned and is reviewed so negatively.
here's my two cents on how they should change doom: undo that nerf. completely increase the height that slam can scale geometry a little bit make empowered punch wear off after a while, maybe make block a resource increase meteor strike inner circle radius i'm curious what you think of this, cuz i don't main the character but you do
If they're going to keep these slam nerfs in the game then they need to make his slam deal 60 dmg maybe even 65 cause 50 dmg after s9 is basically cosmetic at this point.If they want you to be closer putting yourself more at risk and also make the slam cd longer then the dmg buff justifies that by rewarding the "High Risk High Reward" Character
Damn. I love doom and ball so much but over the short time I've come back the creep is insane doom felt good for such a small period of time before the balance team has to fuck it up. It's like they're asking to be overtaken by rivals
Doomfist was perfectly balanced. Why😭??? Season 14 balance patch is just stupid and pointless. Just nerf widowmaker and buff genji and you have the most balanced state of the game
This is a bit off topic but isn't it weird how they kept the b-hop on Hazard's leap? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for keeping tech that improves skill ceiling (that's why I started playing doom) but the favouritism is blatant. I'd understand the leap keeping some momentum after hitting the ground but the move still being active means he can slash afterwards when they specificly removed slam still being active after the b-hop for a late/extendend slam. I've seen some comments say slam still has a b-hop but having to cancle it to slightly preserve momentum barely counts.
It's obvious that team 4 doesn't play It's own game, in their parallel universe Doom is terrifying and Pharah is unkillable, while Juno and Brig is balanced and good, also buffing the dps passive was the laziest way to push non burst dps pickrate, I don't know what they're doing with this game.
I fell in love with the game again during the stale 2 shield stunwatch meta when I decided to give Doomfist a try. And they keep chipping off that little fun and skill expression that made Overwatch my daily game of choice. I haven't played ranked for a while because they keep messing up optimization. And I haven't touched the game altogether in hopes that season 14 will bring some long due improvements. And we get a damn 33% range nerf for no reason (plus, horse and Soj buffs on top of that). So, guess what, I have a blast playing Indiana Jones, STALKER 2, and many more other games, and seriously consider sticking to it. The profound incompetence of Team 4 makes the game not worth investing my time and resources anymore. I'm not only talking about them taking a piss at Doomfist players. Poor optimization, visual clutter, unstable servers, broken MMR system, heroes without identity, boring ah gameplay loops, incompetent balancing, punishing skill expression, bugs they keep ignoring for damn years, and many lies and broken promises.
i love when i try to 1vs1 a moira, and she throws her healing orb to her, and when i am struggling to hit headshots at her to do almost no damage to her as a genji, she is just draining my health and getting healed by the orb and by her lifessteal. like in this games, characteres with low skill ceiling and literally counters of the characetes with high skill ceiling...
Yep this is exactly what makes Overwatch feel like absolute shit to play. Only thing missing is playing as Genji, dashing on Zen to get into the only range you can consistently hit right clicks just to get 360 spinbot kicked and flung back on zero cooldown and with increased damage that conveniently makes you fly in a predictable arc to make it real nice and easy to shit on you for locking in Genji ever. The balance devs for this game are just horrible and they must be gold/plat tops and wanting their easymode heroes to work 100% of the time against heroes that take 5x the effort to get anywhere close to the same value. 👍
Agree with what you said, just revert the nerf and leave the hero alone, cant remember the time when doom got a buff and then didnt get some compensation nerf to different part of his kit because his wr skyrocketed by 0,1%
i feel as they made the nerf in a weird way as more often than not you are using the slam to run/escape fights not using it for more health which doesn’t make sense when you actually play the character
Quake i would like to hear your suggestions and opinions on how to make Doom a better hero as i think someone with arguably the most play time on the hero would have a quite a few ideas
the angle buff makes it easier to do damage without paying attention. angle buff is a lazy fix to the shit geometries that result in sliders when they shouldn’t. which means they nerfed slam for nothing. doom is a close range hero so nerfing slam range is fine with me since it raises his required skill level, but nerfing cooldown for slam was stupid, that’s a key part in skill expression, it’s needed to dodge the ungodly amount of unskilled bs, and it’s harder to move into the enemy without it
2:30 ok I agree with everything you're saying quaked But this isn't it you can't say you're not getting value by playing at his skill ceiling when really... You're intentionally handicapping yourself by not using one of his core mechanics (empowered punch) If you take away one whole aspect out of any hero's kit, sigma's accretion, current roadhog's pigpen, mauga's double fire, Genji's deflect, it will make the character harder to play and force you to express more skill But that doesn't mean you're not being valued for expressing more skill It means you're not being rewarded for not using evverything in the hero's arsenal You're being penalised for not using every fundamental of a hero's design You can't NOT use the one shot combo on old roadhog and then wonder why you're not getting more value than if you did You're probably the best doomfist player in the ladder if you don't handicap yourself But you YOURSELF phrase it ''I'm handicapping myself'' so you SHOULD be getting less value for being handicapped while others who fully utilise his kit get more value Yes its less skillful to base your gameplay around punch or empowered punch But its the most effective, even if using slam as the core of your playstyle is more dynamic and more fun and more skillful its not what the devs intended to be his aggro or offensive tool its supposed to be the one you use to get out or at least its secondary to his punch in offensiveness Which is why people who use his punch are more successful they play the hero properly but less skillfully
"You're intentionally handicapping yourself by not using one of his core mechanics (empowered punch)" i push dooms unrealistic skill ceiling. dooms realistic skill ceiling is his non empowered punch gameplay which is REALLY bad. if you dont build and use emp punch then doom is nearly useless now. "If you take away one whole aspect out of any hero's kit, sigma's accretion, current roadhog's pigpen, mauga's double fire, Genji's deflect, it will make the character harder to play and force you to express more skill" when i talk about dooms balance i dont refer to my handicapped playstyle. im talking about the optimal way of playing the hero. theres never been a time where i talk about doom balance where it needs to be based off my handicap. since DPS doom where i played rollout doom i never talked about dooms balance being bad because rollout doom is bad. if you arent farming emp punch on doom then the hero is really bad. handicap or not. you can play the non emp punch part of his gameplay and you will get very low value even though it takes infinitely more skill than getting emp punch and getting picks
I dont even understand, they buffed doom to make his punch more consistent and said well now that his punch is more consistent lets make this other part of his kit less consistent, im sure that'll make people happy. I can justify the slam range perhaps but not the cooldown
and on your point of skill to value ratio, why would any new player want to pick up high skill heroes when the less skillful ones give you more instant value
I just don’t get why they nerf slam i mean why make doom a punch bot?. at first they take him out of his role as dps and remove his best ability and replace it with block a dog shit ability, then they make him good at first as tank, and then they nerf him into becoming a dog shit character who can’t protect his team or himself no more, unless you put thousands of hours playing him and do unnecessary cool movements just to get one kill while widow sit in the back of the map clicking pixels……😐 and let’s not talk about the unbelievable amount of bugs.
quake youre forgetting the devs are gold players, so they dont understand how to play doom well, and keep widow strong bc they run into gold players who cant aim so they dont think shes strong
Doomfist probably the worst tank right now with a lot of counters* Blizzard:a guy on bronze get a 5k with him is so broken we need to nerd him to make it more shit
i think something major Overwatch has lost overtime is the Power scaling. Now this might sound smthng out of DBZ, but shit honestly speaking, this game doesn't do its characters justice, Like Doomfist is supposed to be like the final boss, meanwhile ingame he is like dogwater unless you are god tier like quake, even genji, fking hell, I hated Marvel rivals cause of how it looked and its choppy frame rates, optimization issues, but when i played that game i finally understood why the game was fun, its cause every hero felt like a faithful and powerful adaptation of their characters, OW2 does not do that, it wants to appease everyone who bitches about smthng, i still can't believe they treat Doom and Genji as volatile cause when they buff them, they instantly revert them next week (NOT EVEN NEXT PATCH CYCLE) This game may not be dead, but it sure has lost its charm, thats for sure
the best thing we can do for ow right now is play another game to put the fear of god into these executives. Marvel R ain't that great but it's worth its wait in gold for giving ow some actual competition to be scared of.
2:43 This is literally every hero I’ve tried maining. Wanted to play Reinhardt, but he gets so hard countered I decided to switch to Ramattra. Wanted to play Genji, but he gets so little value I went Reaper. I still want to feel challenged, but the devs keep pushing heroes like Orisa and Mauga into the meta, it just feels unworthy to get better.
Lets be honest it's because doomfist is black. I play valorant and phenix is so bad no buff works for him and asstra was one of the best agents in the game then they neutered her into the ground. Then they took the best moves from Astra and zphenoix's kit and gave it to Clove. They will never give us another manly black character like doom and will forever nerf him to stop him from being meta. Overwatch will get a human with a dog head before they give us another black guy.
No fue justificado, solo lo deja peor que cuando estaba antes por que ya tardas mas en escapar y que le bajaran el rango al slam hace que cueste mas trabajo recolectar vida extra para poder sobrevivir si juegas dive
This seems to be a solo Q ranked players perspective, at the top of the game the skill expression is macro read/ team play etc which applies to all characters
That meme perfectly points out the difference in characters in this game 😂. I always tell people don't even bother trying to get good with some characters they don't have enough potential without a perfect team comp and comms
before hazard I had to deal with doom literally every game in plat, and he was insanely good. I didn't want to play doom even if he is good. Once he got nerfed and once hazard was released there's been a lot less doom to deal with and its made me a lot happier in my games.
I do get the anger about a slight buff followed by a nerft, but being completely honest 18m slam is kind of ridiculous, you can hit everyone in the whole capture point and even further away. The cooldown nerf was unnucesary and maybe the nerft to hte slam could have been compensated with another buff since doom is not in the best spot though.
I started playing rivals because it’s new and was waiting for the next season of ow once I read the nerfs for doom one slam in the practice range could be enough to stop one tricking him
Ye you right boss, I will say seeing soldier in the clips of getting easy value with a low skill floor....brother that mfer is unplayable in higher ranks, like if you're talking pre season 9 I wouldn't be as against it but afterwards soldier is uh, in a bad state. The point ya made stands tho I want the slam need reverted
yah that meme clip i made is over a year old and i believe s76 was a bit overtuned at the time when they gave him some buffs but s76 is generally the most fair hitscan and i believe hes bad now. i dont think he needs buffs at all but the whole game needs nerfs
cant wait for scenarios where i have to slam into the enemy team further now because the range is smaller and get stun locked and instant killed, or slam out of a team fight not far enough and get stun locked and instant killed. But our punches will hit gang. W blizzard.
I don’t understand why Blizzard thinks low ranked players need gimmicky and skill-less counter abilities to be able to beat high skill ceiling heroes, when surely the players on those high-skill heroes should just end up ranking up away from the less skilled ‘frustrated’ players who don’t enjoy playing against those heroes/players…? Like, doesn’t the entire prospect of the skilled being ranked up and the unskilled being deranked just keep those two groups separate in game…?
Terrible nerf I honestly didn’t think Marvel Rivals would make me not wanna play ow but after playing a few games with the nerf it feels terrible. Not even because he’s bad now,but because it makes playing Doom so much more boring. First season in a very very long time I didn’t play first day or much at all
this nerf doesnt make doom any worse in my opinion, it just makes him more annoying to play since it fucks up your memory (for the cd cycle) so basically first we get a "buff" that in reality it just made punch more consistent( since most sliders are just undeserved) then we get a nerf to spit us in our faces. its also funny how they have no idea what doomfist identity is, they stated many times they think his identity is his punch, when in reality u can ask any doom player and (at least for dps doom) it was the combinations of his abilities, not just punch. for tankfist they kinda forced the emp punch identity on him since its the only strong part of his kit.
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was the nerf justified for the buff? i dont think so... you're going to experience the slam nerfs on EVERY SLAM. you wont experience the punch buff on every punch...
definitely not, changed one of doomfists many problems with the wall angle punch. and since he was apparently to “good” for the devs they continue to nerf him
Marvel Rivals exist,on a serious note they just lack creativity Winston exist , they made Doom who was unique into a Winston with overhealth and a punch minus a shield,now Hazard is out who is just a better Doom like wth are they doing and Venture is Doom like imo , these Devs don’t care after Classic is done so am I with them
If you ask me I think they buffed him so they could use it as an excuse to nerf more of the skill expression. They had already buffed punch before this last buff. But of course since it's the easier ability they will continue to put power in it and push it to the absolute limit.
@@veiotisligon9140rivals doesnt have doomfist. And spiderman doesn't even cut it close
It's not justified. I immediately noticed the slam change and thought I was going crazy until I read the patch notes. I don’t know what the developers were doing, but they messed up.
Bro that “buff” was just a quality of life.
it’s so situational and hyper specific too it’s ridiculous
Literally who complained? I saw dooms but it really wasn't that of a problem.
"We noticed Doomfist got a lot more pleasant to play as a result of our buff, so we rushed to make him feel like shit again."
With love, your favorite Team 4 balancing team.
They did they same back in season 7 / October Patch he was pretty solid (this was before hog got his rework) then out of nowhere they nerfed his stun on his reg punch (250ms - 150ms) and enpowered punch (750ms - 600ms) which may not seem like much but It has got me killed so many times / denied me more kills than i can imagine
I've hit so many people with a fully empowered and they live in like 1hp after my combo and escape@@piercenaughton5754
Shit they might aswell buff widow since she clearly needs the buffs.
No shot they decreased the range on slam when it already doesn't hit half the time.
"We made doom's rocket punch actually function properly and not get as many sliders, so we're nerfing seismic slam for no reason"
Like it's so infuriating how after constant feedback from basically both sides of doom players and non doom players saying "Hey, punchbotting is fucking boring" and these people STILL only make rocket punch better and refuse to put power into the rest of his abilities. It's full blown incompetence.
His primary fire hasn't improved at all. His slam has only gotten objectively worse in every way possible since the beta. What's the point?
Just make it scale with height again at this point
its so cool how they nerf his sustain when half the characters in this game counter him. its so much fun. thank you blizzard.
Foreal actively dodging every cc in the game as doom and they go after his sustain crazy work
The balance team needs to go
like three years ago they "needed to go". Now it's just actively malicious to the players they have left.
GetNeverGonnaBeMetaAgain’dOn
I don’t want doom to be meta ever
@@damienisyourdad9228 Doom meta is one of the healthiest meta's in the game doom is the most squishy / punishable tank's in ow2 and hes high risk high reward unlike Orisa and widow who are low risk high reward Characters
The change just incentives me to keep not playing doom until he actually feels fun to play again
Same, hazard time and im a lvl 100 doom main ):
I just stopped playing. I'll come back during Overwatch Classic: Moth Meta for DPS Doom, but nah. Miss me with this.
Yep you said it brotha
Blizzard is incredible. They put the nail in the coffin for me to just not play Overwatch and make the switch to Rivals. It’s like Blizzard was begging me to leave.
I uninstalled 2 weeks ago, before that I had taken a break for months. I recommend uninstalling and playing Rivals
see you in a day or 2
@@lennywhere yeah absolutely not.
You overwatch haters piss me off. I play both and there’s absolutely no way you say a slam nerf on doom and went yeah let me play rivals where I get slept frozen by the two most meta supports in the game while they press Q and make their whole team unkillable.
With the best hero’s being hela and Hawkeye that are basically budget widow makers
@@lennywhere 10k players ow
100k players rivals
The copium will flow until blizzard goes boom
“our hero works as intended now, our bad!”
the slam nerf is so insanely noticeable. It feels like so many deaths now are directly because of this nerf. Its insane. bro give me 25 degree if it means getting some movement and survivability back dang man.
my input has always been move the power from empowered punch to literally anything else. slam could use it, shotgun could use it, literally would rather see a change put anywhere else and it would benefit doom in a much more positive way.
since they dont want to do that, i dont feel passion to play the hero and hazard looks far more interesting to me.
i might sound crazy for saying this but i actually think empowered punch needs a buff. it should be way stronger BUT you need to nerf the shit out of block so getting emp punch is really hard and doesnt happen often but thats gonna be okay cause u buff slam / primary fire and maybe normal punch a little and you can play his non emp punch gameplay and get value and if u happen to get emp punch which should be really hard then you have a chance to get big value.
the tragic tale of alway watching my favorite overwatch content creators go through the same cycle where they read the patch notes and are faced with the truth that the game devs dont have any idea what they are doing or what direction to take this dying game
In my opinion the last few seasons were incredibly frustrating to play.
Season 9 moment
Nerfing the distance... Fine i guess if they really had this urge to nerf him in a way but increasing the cooldown? There was no need to double down. Just awful.
"Buff" lol, now the punch simplu works as intented, it looks like they nerfed doom to push hazard as the new mobility tank
No way it's justified. Take back punch buff and give me slam range.
Devs don't know shit about what they're doing. Just nerfing a random ability to compensate for a buff every time. I hope marvel rivals hurt their profits badly so they learn to be more competent and listen to the community/experts.
Doom is meant to have a high skill expression but hard to learn and be consistent with. Nerfing his escapability whilst making another ability easier to hit lowers the skill expression and overall performance for great players. Great players will hit the right angle anyways
"Why are people leaving us for a widowmaker rifp off?" - Blizzard?
i said the exact same thing like at this point just revert the buff and the nerf, this nerf is fucking ass, i hate nerfs that change the cooldown time of a mobility ability
its funnier or entirely coincidental that as soon as the season started zbra posted a marvel rivals video and a ranked game on hazard lmao
And i was wondering why i didnt hit anyone with my slams today, in the other hand ive went back to diamond 5 on console so i guess the nerf was just to piss off everyone that played doom
I felt like the punch angle fix wasn't even a "buff" it was more like a quality of life. The slam nerf was so random.
It crazy the fact that they refuse to nerf an immortal horse who can legit walk through most ult take no stun and can counter alot of ult by clicking left click but instead of that they nerf a charecter that get counter by 70% of the charecter in the game. W logic
Slam nerf really hurts. Felt that the moment the patch came out
The Kephrii reveal was top 10 plot twists in GetNerfedOn history
Literally said the same when I read the patch. They gave punch a QoL change so it works more as it should, then nerfed slam which is already AWFUL?? Braindead balance team.
As someone who mains Doom, Genji (and Hanzo), you hit the nail on the head. Most times I try to outplay my enemy with movement, I feel like I'm just delaying the inevitable. Might as well be playing parkour customs, instead of sweating just to lose against the likes of Hog, Sombra, Cass, Ana, Brig every other match.
bro i started crying at 4:00 when u showed the tracer clip w the guy sweating istg that be me on tracer trying my hardest jus to get no value 🙏🏽😭
I don't think they nerfed doomfist because of his previous buff; I think they gave him the previous buff because they wanted an excuse to nerf him.
i actually agree with this because they've done this exact thing before.
season 1 doom was fine, they gave him a meme / bad buff in season 2 then 9 days later they made him worse than what he was in season 1. this is the 3rd or 4th time they've done this to doom
I saw another comment where it was like “Punch is working as intended, therefore we must nerf Doomfist” this dev team is a fucking joke. Nerfing heros who take more skill, easy to counter. Yet buffing tanks like Orisa and Mauga for *literally* zero reason.
Also they just refuse to touch widow. You think with their biggest competitor they’d finally take the stick out their ass but nah. Honestly whoever is apart of the balance team they need to be fired.
Idc if someone’s losing a job, you done nothing but put out bad work it’s only natural. They’re a part of the reason this game gets clowned and is reviewed so negatively.
Yeah guys, let's nerf Seismic Slam range and buff Terra Surge pull range
here's my two cents on how they should change doom:
undo that nerf. completely
increase the height that slam can scale geometry a little bit
make empowered punch wear off after a while, maybe make block a resource
increase meteor strike inner circle radius
i'm curious what you think of this, cuz i don't main the character but you do
I think the wearing off empowered trading off could be interesting in exchange for the buff but I think a resource would be broken, interesting idea.
Just nerf empowered punch’s dmg by like 30 and it’s hitbox aswell and buff his slam like u said and the ult as well
HOW ABOUT DON'T SHOOT DOOMS BLOCK OR IF YOU SEE HIS FIST GLOWING OR YOU HEAR IT, BE PLAY COVER.
I will petition a vote of NO confidence for the balance teams of OW2!!!
fine, they're about to see the % of doom players drop. imagine if orisa and mauga got this treatment more.
If they're going to keep these slam nerfs in the game then they need to make his slam deal 60 dmg maybe even 65 cause 50 dmg after s9 is basically cosmetic at this point.If they want you to be closer putting yourself more at risk and also make the slam cd longer then the dmg buff justifies that by rewarding the "High Risk High Reward" Character
Damn. I love doom and ball so much but over the short time I've come back the creep is insane doom felt good for such a small period of time before the balance team has to fuck it up. It's like they're asking to be overtaken by rivals
thank you quake, i needed an opinion on the doom nerfs
Doomfist was perfectly balanced. Why😭???
Season 14 balance patch is just stupid and pointless. Just nerf widowmaker and buff genji and you have the most balanced state of the game
The range nerf feels so bad.
So many times where i could have survived from getting the shield
the kephrii reveal lmao
At this point, I came to the conclusion that whoever is in charge of balance is not very smart. Only explanation that makes sense
This is a bit off topic but isn't it weird how they kept the b-hop on Hazard's leap? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for keeping tech that improves skill ceiling (that's why I started playing doom) but the favouritism is blatant. I'd understand the leap keeping some momentum after hitting the ground but the move still being active means he can slash afterwards when they specificly removed slam still being active after the b-hop for a late/extendend slam. I've seen some comments say slam still has a b-hop but having to cancle it to slightly preserve momentum barely counts.
It's obvious that team 4 doesn't play It's own game, in their parallel universe Doom is terrifying and Pharah is unkillable, while Juno and Brig is balanced and good, also buffing the dps passive was the laziest way to push non burst dps pickrate, I don't know what they're doing with this game.
I fell in love with the game again during the stale 2 shield stunwatch meta when I decided to give Doomfist a try.
And they keep chipping off that little fun and skill expression that made Overwatch my daily game of choice. I haven't played ranked for a while because they keep messing up optimization. And I haven't touched the game altogether in hopes that season 14 will bring some long due improvements. And we get a damn 33% range nerf for no reason (plus, horse and Soj buffs on top of that).
So, guess what, I have a blast playing Indiana Jones, STALKER 2, and many more other games, and seriously consider sticking to it.
The profound incompetence of Team 4 makes the game not worth investing my time and resources anymore. I'm not only talking about them taking a piss at Doomfist players. Poor optimization, visual clutter, unstable servers, broken MMR system, heroes without identity, boring ah gameplay loops, incompetent balancing, punishing skill expression, bugs they keep ignoring for damn years, and many lies and broken promises.
They don't know how I gotta move my mouse and body to play this hero
At this point I can call the devs racist because the way they treat doom is fkn ridiculous
classic widow controlling the whole game
i love when i try to 1vs1 a moira, and she throws her healing orb to her, and when i am struggling to hit headshots at her to do almost no damage to her as a genji, she is just draining my health and getting healed by the orb and by her lifessteal. like in this games, characteres with low skill ceiling and literally counters of the characetes with high skill ceiling...
Yep this is exactly what makes Overwatch feel like absolute shit to play.
Only thing missing is playing as Genji, dashing on Zen to get into the only range you can consistently hit right clicks just to get 360 spinbot kicked and flung back on zero cooldown and with increased damage that conveniently makes you fly in a predictable arc to make it real nice and easy to shit on you for locking in Genji ever.
The balance devs for this game are just horrible and they must be gold/plat tops and wanting their easymode heroes to work 100% of the time against heroes that take 5x the effort to get anywhere close to the same value. 👍
Agree with what you said, just revert the nerf and leave the hero alone, cant remember the time when doom got a buff and then didnt get some compensation nerf to different part of his kit because his wr skyrocketed by 0,1%
At least they don’t kill doom like they does to genji
I initially didnt expect the nerfs to feel as bad as they do... but god he's so much worse now. Overwatch Classic, save me
i feel as they made the nerf in a weird way as more often than not you are using the slam to run/escape fights not using it for more health which doesn’t make sense when you actually play the character
Quake i would like to hear your suggestions and opinions on how to make Doom a better hero as i think someone with arguably the most play time on the hero would have a quite a few ideas
devs dont know shit about this game tbh, this slam nerf is totally unnecessary
the angle buff makes it easier to do damage without paying attention. angle buff is a lazy fix to the shit geometries that result in sliders when they shouldn’t. which means they nerfed slam for nothing. doom is a close range hero so nerfing slam range is fine with me since it raises his required skill level, but nerfing cooldown for slam was stupid, that’s a key part in skill expression, it’s needed to dodge the ungodly amount of unskilled bs, and it’s harder to move into the enemy without it
we are NOT about to glance over this 1:03 this was nasty
I'd love to see what you can do with spiderman. He has really cool movement + fighting game style combos.
His uppercut is like old doom.
6:32 omg that was beautiful
Ngl i have been just running around as torb and beating people to death with the hammer. Haven't played DF yet since the change.
Ah yes because Doom is more of threat then say Widow or even now recently Hazard.
2:30 ok I agree with everything you're saying quaked
But this isn't it you can't say you're not getting value by playing at his skill ceiling when really... You're intentionally handicapping yourself by not using one of his core mechanics (empowered punch)
If you take away one whole aspect out of any hero's kit, sigma's accretion, current roadhog's pigpen, mauga's double fire, Genji's deflect, it will make the character harder to play and force you to express more skill
But that doesn't mean you're not being valued for expressing more skill
It means you're not being rewarded for not using evverything in the hero's arsenal
You're being penalised for not using every fundamental of a hero's design
You can't NOT use the one shot combo on old roadhog and then wonder why you're not getting more value than if you did
You're probably the best doomfist player in the ladder if you don't handicap yourself
But you YOURSELF phrase it ''I'm handicapping myself'' so you SHOULD be getting less value for being handicapped while others who fully utilise his kit get more value
Yes its less skillful to base your gameplay around punch or empowered punch
But its the most effective, even if using slam as the core of your playstyle is more dynamic and more fun and more skillful its not what the devs intended to be his aggro or offensive tool its supposed to be the one you use to get out or at least its secondary to his punch in offensiveness
Which is why people who use his punch are more successful they play the hero properly but less skillfully
"You're intentionally handicapping yourself by not using one of his core mechanics (empowered punch)"
i push dooms unrealistic skill ceiling. dooms realistic skill ceiling is his non empowered punch gameplay which is REALLY bad. if you dont build and use emp punch then doom is nearly useless now.
"If you take away one whole aspect out of any hero's kit, sigma's accretion, current roadhog's pigpen, mauga's double fire, Genji's deflect, it will make the character harder to play and force you to express more skill"
when i talk about dooms balance i dont refer to my handicapped playstyle. im talking about the optimal way of playing the hero. theres never been a time where i talk about doom balance where it needs to be based off my handicap. since DPS doom where i played rollout doom i never talked about dooms balance being bad because rollout doom is bad.
if you arent farming emp punch on doom then the hero is really bad. handicap or not. you can play the non emp punch part of his gameplay and you will get very low value even though it takes infinitely more skill than getting emp punch and getting picks
@@GetQuakedOn so whats the solution
@@yaisnwow watch the vid bro
@ yeah i commented before finishing the vid 😔
I dont even understand, they buffed doom to make his punch more consistent and said well now that his punch is more consistent lets make this other part of his kit less consistent, im sure that'll make people happy. I can justify the slam range perhaps but not the cooldown
and on your point of skill to value ratio, why would any new player want to pick up high skill heroes when the less skillful ones give you more instant value
I was waiting for this vid, cause ever since i saw the patch I was wondering why people were moving to Marvel Rivals
I just don’t get why they nerf slam i mean why make doom a punch bot?. at first they take him out of his role as dps and remove his best ability and replace it with block a dog shit ability, then they make him good at first as tank, and then they nerf him into becoming a dog shit character who can’t protect his team or himself no more, unless you put thousands of hours playing him and do unnecessary cool movements just to get one kill while widow sit in the back of the map clicking pixels……😐 and let’s not talk about the unbelievable amount of bugs.
DPS Doom in Overwatch Classic can not come soon enough
quake youre forgetting the devs are gold players, so they dont understand how to play doom well, and keep widow strong bc they run into gold players who cant aim so they dont think shes strong
I agree, but what would you change to make doom a more skill expressive hero? I would love the punch bot playstyle to go away.
Doomfist probably the worst tank right now with a lot of counters*
Blizzard:a guy on bronze get a 5k with him is so broken we need to nerd him to make it more shit
I love how heroes that have the skill expression as an etch-e-sketch are consistently more powerful than the ones that take more than 2 brain cells
i think something major Overwatch has lost overtime is the Power scaling.
Now this might sound smthng out of DBZ, but shit honestly speaking, this game doesn't do its characters justice, Like Doomfist is supposed to be like the final boss, meanwhile ingame he is like dogwater unless you are god tier like quake, even genji, fking hell, I hated Marvel rivals cause of how it looked and its choppy frame rates, optimization issues, but when i played that game i finally understood why the game was fun, its cause every hero felt like a faithful and powerful adaptation of their characters, OW2 does not do that, it wants to appease everyone who bitches about smthng, i still can't believe they treat Doom and Genji as volatile cause when they buff them, they instantly revert them next week (NOT EVEN NEXT PATCH CYCLE)
This game may not be dead, but it sure has lost its charm, thats for sure
the best thing we can do for ow right now is play another game to put the fear of god into these executives. Marvel R ain't that great but it's worth its wait in gold for giving ow some actual competition to be scared of.
2:43 This is literally every hero I’ve tried maining.
Wanted to play Reinhardt, but he gets so hard countered I decided to switch to Ramattra.
Wanted to play Genji, but he gets so little value I went Reaper.
I still want to feel challenged, but the devs keep pushing heroes like Orisa and Mauga into the meta, it just feels unworthy to get better.
Lets be honest it's because doomfist is black. I play valorant and phenix is so bad no buff works for him and asstra was one of the best agents in the game then they neutered her into the ground. Then they took the best moves from Astra and zphenoix's kit and gave it to Clove. They will never give us another manly black character like doom and will forever nerf him to stop him from being meta. Overwatch will get a human with a dog head before they give us another black guy.
No fue justificado, solo lo deja peor que cuando estaba antes por que ya tardas mas en escapar y que le bajaran el rango al slam hace que cueste mas trabajo recolectar vida extra para poder sobrevivir si juegas dive
This seems to be a solo Q ranked players perspective, at the top of the game the skill expression is macro read/ team play etc which applies to all characters
That meme perfectly points out the difference in characters in this game 😂. I always tell people don't even bother trying to get good with some characters they don't have enough potential without a perfect team comp and comms
before hazard I had to deal with doom literally every game in plat, and he was insanely good. I didn't want to play doom even if he is good. Once he got nerfed and once hazard was released there's been a lot less doom to deal with and its made me a lot happier in my games.
I always ended up coming back to the game but I have found myself literally not caring the last few months
I do get the anger about a slight buff followed by a nerft, but being completely honest 18m slam is kind of ridiculous, you can hit everyone in the whole capture point and even further away. The cooldown nerf was unnucesary and maybe the nerft to hte slam could have been compensated with another buff since doom is not in the best spot though.
I started playing rivals because it’s new and was waiting for the next season of ow once I read the nerfs for doom one slam in the practice range could be enough to stop one tricking him
Suddenly I'm a lot more okay with playing Iron fist compared to Doomfist
They should reduce the block cool down 😊
So true about hard heroes. I play genji, doom because they have fun playstyle but playing them feels so unrewarding most of the times
Surely blizzard changes course with rivals out... surely...
Epic last hold
They should buff the non empowered punch damage to 100 or 120 to make him useful if they did that then this nerf is justified
Ye you right boss, I will say seeing soldier in the clips of getting easy value with a low skill floor....brother that mfer is unplayable in higher ranks, like if you're talking pre season 9 I wouldn't be as against it but afterwards soldier is uh, in a bad state.
The point ya made stands tho I want the slam need reverted
yah that meme clip i made is over a year old and i believe s76 was a bit overtuned at the time when they gave him some buffs but s76 is generally the most fair hitscan and i believe hes bad now. i dont think he needs buffs at all but the whole game needs nerfs
This plus the orisa micro bruff once more, that's it, marvel Rivals is way more fun for me now.
Do you think they should revert doom back to a dps character? Like how he used to be?
cant wait for scenarios where i have to slam into the enemy team further now because the range is smaller and get stun locked and instant killed, or slam out of a team fight not far enough and get stun locked and instant killed. But our punches will hit gang. W blizzard.
dont worry, they also have no idea what they are doing with the other heroes
I don’t understand why Blizzard thinks low ranked players need gimmicky and skill-less counter abilities to be able to beat high skill ceiling heroes, when surely the players on those high-skill heroes should just end up ranking up away from the less skilled ‘frustrated’ players who don’t enjoy playing against those heroes/players…?
Like, doesn’t the entire prospect of the skilled being ranked up and the unskilled being deranked just keep those two groups separate in game…?
Terrible nerf I honestly didn’t think Marvel Rivals would make me not wanna play ow but after playing a few games with the nerf it feels terrible. Not even because he’s bad now,but because it makes playing Doom so much more boring. First season in a very very long time I didn’t play first day or much at all
Need to bring back uppercut
this nerf doesnt make doom any worse in my opinion, it just makes him more annoying to play since it fucks up your memory (for the cd cycle) so basically first we get a "buff" that in reality it just made punch more consistent( since most sliders are just undeserved) then we get a nerf to spit us in our faces.
its also funny how they have no idea what doomfist identity is, they stated many times they think his identity is his punch, when in reality u can ask any doom player and (at least for dps doom) it was the combinations of his abilities, not just punch. for tankfist they kinda forced the emp punch identity on him since its the only strong part of his kit.
Please get a team to specifically balance doom and genji
I hate how a character with the strongest gauntlet and a ninja with the power of a dragon in his sword gets destroyed by a lab subject sniper 😒
wall slam should be 33 degrees, cuz htat's how it works in real life,,, adjust balance number accordingly