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- THE INFORMATION FOR GUNDAM EVOLUTION'S FIRST BALANCE PATCH IS HERE! Check to see what happened! PS. Zaku Melee and Exia got nerfed! But did they get nerfed enough?
Timestamps:
0:00 - Dev Balance Philosophy
6:10 - Pale Rider
9:10 - RX78 Gundam
9:17 - Sazabi
11:17 - Methuss, GM Sniper II, Asshimar
12:00 - Dom Trooper, Turn A Gundam
12:30 - GM
13:55 - Exia
15:33 - Marasai
18:05 - Mahiroo
21:26 - Zaku II Melee
23:17 - Unicorn Gundam & Exploit Fixes
24:15 - THE FUTURE OF GUN EVO
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I don't play Overwatch but I can see the similarity and see your tournament worthy skill level, I agree this balance is not good because your skill level would kill average players like me 100% for sure now, while before patch I have a chance, a good chance even.
They didn't fix the shields. RN the shields are useless: No health, get stunned by nearly everything, don't recharge fast enough. I really thought they'd do something about shields...
Yupp pain playing Sazabi and having your shield almost instantly melted then having to wait 15 seconds for it to come back just to get melted again lol.
The fact shields do NOTHING against melee makes no sense
lol they just nerfed Sazabi instead
Shields should be healable by Haro/Methuss/repair skills such that they regain points as much as Saza/GM can regain health.
In exchange, Saza and GM should deal reduced damage (not even an accuracy drop, a straight damage drop) when shield-firing.
@@Yourantsally To be fair, in a lot of Gundam shows, shields are mostly used to tank shots. Once a Gundams like Exia uses its GN Saber, you can say goodbye to your shields. Their melee weapons are made to destroy shields when charging.
They nerfed Exia's abilities when the biggest problem is the primary fire that has no damage drop off and infinite ammo.
Exia's the third sniper of this game, better at long range than Turn A lol
>no Guntank changes
They know it’s perfect
Loooool
@@Dunmuir lool more like WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
@@tanukifurhire LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
a little buff I want to see with methuss and asshimar and the ability to stay in place in the air when transformed so youre not forced to go forward although idk if that'll be too powerful. I also think sazabi's shield should have more health to fulfill the tank roll even better
Just transform back and you can do that though. Although if they let you retransform back into flight mode if you haven't used the whole bar before landing, that could be pretty fun, but maybe too powerful
I see from a gameplay perspective why you'd want that with the flying units... but it's impossible to square with the mobile suits as they function in anime or other video games. The Sazabi situation just sounds weird.
Perhaps this was expected for the first “balance” patch. Granted, it is disappointing that they go based on stats over player feedback like in the beta(?) Well whatever. The only good thing is the new Trans-Am MVP for Exia, but that’s just me.
From my experience in YGO Master Duel, at first we got some poor ban lists but little by little the ban lists have gotten progressively better. Hopefully it will be the same case for this game for balance.
Hopefully that’s the case, but it would take a lot of learning to get it right
I’m really hoping that this patch is just them “testing the waters”. Something small to test the community’s reaction while they work on something more definitive. It really does feel more like a “band-aid” patch, so let’s hope they pay attention to the community’s feedback from this.
Tbf, Marasai hook nerf makes it more reactable for the opponent at longer ranges but I had wished for a buff to the melee hitbox to compensate. It's basically unusable outside the hook combo, making it a very one-dimensional character
It just makes it even more random tbh
They must think Guntank is perfect. Because they left him alone. "Our perfect lil boy"
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
@@bth525 WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
They are correct, how can you improve on perfection?
@@maxspecs Id argue he could use a bit more damage on his focus fire so he might win a 1v1 EVER, but otherwise hes pretty perfect.
@@unyieldingsarcasm2505 Tackle punch and face blam with the cannon already gives guntank a lot of edge on 1v1 situations. Problem is god tier enemies that can headshot 4 times out of 4. Can never outdps that with a guntank.
I just don't really think the "tank" role exists in this game and I believe it's a mistake to keep thinking like that. Shields buy you a few more second of exposure, not the ability to hold off a hallway. I think a suit like Szabi needs another dash (and possibly a slight rescale) more than it does more "tankiness"
I do appreciate the bigger clip size for methuss.
For it being the first one, they are being very conservative with the changes. I think in the future they will get better (is my hope).
I’m hoping so too m
Biggest hopium tbh
Indeed
they buffed asshimar. hope is dead.
Transparency here is good for a first patch. Here's hoping that as the game goes on, the balancing team will be more experienced.
The balancing philosophy reminds me of League.
I'm a bit lost to where I can ask this but, what are the plans after the end Beginner's challenge? or maybe some other way to earn Capital like from pods through levelling up same with Apex? or did I just not know things...
Thanks in advance!
There are 2 ways they could go about it. Beginner challenges would just end right there or it would transition to harder challenges like get MVP 2 times or be top player 3 times etc.
Lol shell out some cash. I think that’s their plan
Balanced Change from Statistics is also an issues in other Gundam game aswell, like GBO2 they buff suit out of stat and often it a miss and people have to wait for almost 5-6 month or even year for Dev to buff it again and they may buff the right spot or buff other thing that not the main issues that increase the result number but not make the suit QoL better.
They were very conservative with these changes to the melee units. I'm hoping they will do a second pass for start of season 2.
In all fairness I had to drop the game temporarily mainly because of the DC'ing issue last Saturday (a time when I thought the higher # of players would make it easier not worse to get matches). If they can fix that then we can have the luxury of worrying about balance, IMHO.
Conservative is exactly the word I'd describe their balancing philosophy. On one hand, it's not that surprising coming from a Japanese developer. On the other hand, the way they tackle these balance issues looks like it came out of a business meeting where they just look at the pure number statistics and put minimal effort in the changes to hope that it'll get better.
Don't be surprised if they drop another balance patch right before the next season which further nerfs the season 1 paid suits so that the season 2 suits can easily power creep and maybe even hard counter the previous paid suits.
I was scared shitless when I saw what they said about ranged units just from reading that them being so heavy on data might of actually prevented this update from being a whole lot worse.
“All ranged units now one shot”
@@Dunmuir and my favorite, mahiroo, seems being forgotten, sniper gem can now kill three people with in one mag ( if you don’t always do head shot), while mahiroo need to land everything on your foe to have a kill with a 800 hp…good!
@@tonyyang2879 But it has the 2nd highest damage output at high ranks! lol
@@Dunmuir ye in high ranks yes, basically using mahiroo doing like 30k is normal… but when you are in the situation that you are being focused you basically have no chance to do much to fight back. It’s survivability depends heavily on your teammates and the ult is very situational
My only problem in this patch is the shields will be worthless. They need to either increase the refresh rate of the shield or their Hp to compensate. Everything else seems alright for a first balance change.
While I only feel like the changes to Pale Rider and Turn-A were the only decent-ish ones, I'm still hopeful on its future mainly because there's a big e-sports event in China and I'm sure they will look at that as a new form of data (I really really hope all of them have a good Sniper and Exia lmao)
Esports event won’t affect anything tbh
“The problem is that they could hold up their shotgun and shoot-“
This is the design of the game, you get to play the game, they don’t want you to slowly push a choke, they want you to mosh pit.
Also they called out that Mahiroo does well if you put in the time and play it on maps it’s good on- it’ll be obnoxious where it’s good already if they buff it too much, and despite this they said “here we’ll buff everything else for you”.
Also zero changes for Barb, Zaku II, and Guntank. That’s the direction of the game they want.
Yes so, its balanced only for those tiny sections on those two specific maps genius so balanced.
Mahiroo really isn't that good. I say this as an enthusiastic Mahiroo main. It's frustratingly hard to even land a single shot on anyone, most of the time it's not been skill but randomly shooting and hoping the awkward bouncing finally hit someone. Even against groups, it takes cramped spaces to reliably hit anything. Particle Cannon also is horrible, it has the weirdest targeting but when it can hit then sure, it'll do good damage and a stun but I think the most I got in a single game was 5 hits with it and 3 came from a single use in an enclosed space where they were cornered.
Mahiroo sucks. I love Mahiroo because grenades and funky kick are cool but I basically just get the occasional kill and try to clean up people. If I'm playing against particularly bad people then I can make them nervous about clustering up but that's only until they realize I'm not controlling the bounces so much as praying.
@@TaosoftheVoid yeah Mahiroo is really fun but can be frustrating to hit foes since It may just miss entirely. It would be nice if it had like its own aim assist thing when it pin points where the grenades go while G maneuver doesn't do that since it would hit at least something
@@gendraconis7869 My solution would just be make them proximity grenades. If an enemy would be in the blast radius at any point, the grenade explodes immediately. I'd keep it even for the G Maneuver because of how much it can split apart
@@phillipp5538 Mahiroo has a fair number of maps where it can shine, Habor, Flak Fort, Quarry; if not for the entirety of the map than for parts of it Missile Base(point B), Canyon Base(everything after forward spawn is taken), etc.. As you can tell they struggle the most on open maps and attacking, it’s a fairly defensive unit.
Also! Be comfortable swapping off mid-match when it’s no longer optimal to play them. This goes for all the units btw.
(nervous laugh) Well, I was hoping things would get sorted out but..!? Thanks for saying lots of important stuff Dunmuir, and I hope they at least fix the DC issue enough I can play on Casual some more sometime. Even if I get hosed by Barbatos, Exia and Zaku Melee on the same team... which has happened.
Nervous laugh for real... nervous for the future too
@@Dunmuir Hearing some feedback from a different channel... I actually think there is hope to be found. I'll re-download overnight and cross my fingers. After all, problem #1 is the DC's. Game balance only matters after that! Hope is good though!
This looks like a set of balances made by software engineers who thought the goal was averaging out all of the stats. It's painfully obvious nobody on their team is playing the game at a high level, and that's no good.
I generally agree with you here. I've been playing World of Warships from release, including some competitive and been talking to a bunch of top clan players, and we've always complained about WG for balancing around averages and not playing the game. That said, if you use data correctly, I do believe there is a huge value in using it. You should definitely have the tools to tell that a character only really is being played in certain situations, you should see that something like Mahiroo only deals good damage in one situation on one map and suffers everywhere else. But ofc you also need to understand how the game works and consider carefully what units should be able to do or not, otherwise you can't use the data correctly. Like avg damage will never tell you that getting oneshot in the back by Exia is not fun and that extra shots in the magazine don't deal with that. On one hand I am positive about getting regular balancing patches and generally moving towards a direction that deals with some of the issues, but on the other hand just shooting more bullets/beams from range isn't the ideal way to deal with the flankers imo. I don't really know who sits at 'Bandai Namco Online', from my quick research I can only tell the other Bandai games were developed by 'Bandai Namco Studios'. Might be a rename, might be a fresh team formed for the game, no clue. We will just have to wait and see how much they listen, how well they implement changes, and if they develop in a direction we want to see. For now, I'm pretty okay with the first small steps, gonna have to play to see how they work out.
Question. Do you search an eternity to just to play ranked? Or am I rank banned? I never had the Chance to queue once in ranked in over 100 hours of play and it doesnt want to match me. Casual play it takes 30 seconds or so to match.
If you’re EU it just doesn’t work.. I’d just play Japan or NA
@@Dunmuir oh... ok then i switch to NA even if my ping becomes 100 to 120 instead of 20... ugh the pain i will endure xD
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The segment at the end of the video is significant because I think people just don't understand that anymore.
People just want to play cod, they want to play the fast and fun shooty game where you click on people, get killstreaks, and have fun.
But they also want to play a team shooter with all the objective and tactics and cool mechanics and such!
... But they also just want to play the shooty game.
This has been a growing sentiment that I've observed through FPS spaces, how people hate having boring roles and how annoying choke points and angles are and how they can't just carry games and so on and so on.
I was leery about Gundam evolution from day one when I heard that it was trying to be OverWatch but without tank and support roles, I knew that was not going to end well at all as it meant that those mechanics would exist in the most anemic form possible.
People just want to have their cake and eat it too, and you know what game really tried this and failed? Lawbreakers!
Now yes, lawbreakers has plenty of problems going for it as it is but it tried to be this high mobility, high individual skill unreal style teen hero shooter with objectives and such, and it tried to make all these different objective game modes. But in the end of the day games would just devolve into team deathmatch.
But like, what can you expect when seven of the playable classes are DPS characters or obscenely mobile flankers? Beyond that all you had was a shotgun character whose ultimate made him become a tank for a little bit, and a grenade launcher medic who would have never existed were it not for the player base begging for a healer. Like before that character existed they expected you to go to these fixed her stations to recover at, which left you vulnerable in the process.
I expect Gundam evolution to march right into this very problem, it may keep the facade up for a good while, possibly even keeping people distracted with the free to play grind. But sooner or later people are going to see through the issues, they're going to either get bored with the steadily diminishing nuance or get frustrated with the still existing team game, and either leave or push for them to be designed out.
This is a really well written comment! And anemic is an excellent way to explain the other roles, especially tanks
I'm getting flashbacks to the first two years of rainbow six siege... bring out the pick/win ration charts!
Something that didn't get touched on but is worth mentioning here is that in this game, when you win, it gives a win to *all* mobile suits you used, no matter what. As such, there's bound to be numbers that are scrambled by this fact. Situational characters like the "tanks" and Mahiroo may get higher numbers because a person used them for a bit, said, "This isn't working" and gone for a more aggressive character like the melees. Then when they win with the melees, the game goes, "Yup you won with Mahiroo and Zaku Melee" and given that Mahiroo an essentially unearned win. While it may not affect the WR rate of many units drastically, the fact it can that this factor exists makes using data solely for patching even more unreliable.
I don’t have access to how that data works and whether it applies a flat win percentage to the win rate, or whether it goes by time spent playing in the match. Like if you do 30% Mahiroo and 70% melee zaku itd give 0.3 of a win and 0.7 of a win.
In my opinion I feel like they're testing the balancing even if their using the numbers since I think they'll do a big overhaul for season 2 since that's gonna be when the game gets some shake ups due to new maps and units and the console releases. I don't understand what new features would mean though.
9:17 I have no idea what the hell the DEVs are thinking tbh, seems they're playing a totally different game like we do or something.
Sazabi's damage output is somehow unstable and unpredictable even in close range, I'm not sure why they call it "too powerful", maybe its my problem.
If sheilds will break faster due to the ammo buff, then WHY NOT buff that stupid sheild and makes it not like a paper anymore????
Sheilds are so weak in this game right now when most suits have the ability to instantly break sheilds with their skills, and this balance patch notes makes me wonder "Why not you just remove the sheild and give SSB and GM another dash?"
Lol for real! Just remove the shield and give Sazabi a sniper rifle xD just make this cod
@@Dunmuir if sazabi had his shield replaced with a sniper, he would be s tier given the rest of his kit XD, Axe would confirm close range headshots and wall hacks to boot
i sorta expected a not so good first patch! but hopefully they move from "data collect in game" and maybe to a sorta of feed back! like at the end of each season asking for players for they're overall thoughts on the season and units!.
also to add this and hopefully someone see this but with turn A command grab or grab ability you can flat out counter the G ultimate of zaku melee! lol
I read the changes to Pale Rider and got excited then saw the rest of the changes and was like meh. Very small changes.
Although I am VERY happy Zaku II (R) was just left alone.
Big big meh
changes i want to start with.
exia primary is a projectile.
zaku II ranged. ult does not reload your gun AND increase mag size by 5 but reduce the fire rate a bit. so the gun feels better.
mahiro. clip + 2 and perhaps proximity detonation? only add damage if these changes don't help. and the beam ability. LET US DRAG IT ACROSS THE FLOOR PLEASE
sazabi. beam hawk hitbox increase. stuns are ass. but i would add some kind of armor like overwatch to sazabi. or just more HP in general.
Gm sniper II. replace its ballistic sniper with the beam sniper. and cause it to need a charge up before it shoots. just change the primary weapon. then that way your whole team wont get flick shot in 5 seconds (basically a nerf)
every unit. add a melee button. gosh this drives me nuts. it really adds fluidity having a melee attack.
My friend was so happy about marasai nerf then I told him that you still get pull by him if you just walk straight into it
Yep, just makes it less fun to play, but doesn’t fix the problem
Im surprised they didn't mention anything about Barbatos. Yeah they were adjusting off stats and numbers and not player feedback but I thought his performance or the playerbase saying nonstop he needed nerfed would have caused them to say something about him.
But he already got a nerf after the beta
@@gamalieltorres7842 Oh did he? I didn't play the beta. Even then people are still complaining about him in all the games I play.
@@draycos7189 Barbie got a minuscule nerf for the release, so negligible it's not even noticed since he's still completely busted out of its mind
@@draycos7189 Barbatos falls off heavily in high skill play. The higher ranks you play in Barbatos pretty much becomes a pain in the ass to play. He needs a rework of his kit in order to fix him a bit.
I was never a Overwatch fan but if the Overwatch players say they like it as a slightly more challenging game, I agree it's a nice game too, but this new balance seem to be watering it down to make killing easier and faster than it already is, now the expert players would kill the average player even faster and noobs would practically be wiped from existence! Great balance!
It's the Maps that needs touch up and maybe reduce the self inflict damage. It's also the DC that's now suddenly getting worse too. Lastly the match up is clearly rigged against solo players with no friends to team reliably with.
They just missed the true issues :/
I really hope they fix the chat causing a crash soon or aftermatches just ending up in connection issue the game is fine its just those two crash issues are annoying.
Pale rider: "..."
*Gets a bigger clip*
RX78: "..."
*Gets a bigger clip*
Methuss: "..."
*Gets a bigger clip*
Asshimar: "..."
*Gets a bigger clip*
Dom: "..."
*Gets a bigger clip*
Unicorn: "Hey, my buddy Guntank needs some help-"
*Gets a bigger clip*
Turn A: "Yo, real talk, my G is kinda wild."
*Gets a bigger clip*
Sniper: "Uh... Can I get a bigger clip TOO?"
*Gets a bigger clip*
My Hero: "Oh yeah baby reasonable clip size here I come!"
*Foregoes changes to its Main Weapon to avoid disrupting the balance*
Win rates 😏😂😭
I'm surprised they buffed so many units' primary fire (some of them are pretty decently balanced imo and doesn't need the increase ammo)... Things like OP ultimates such as Exia's and Turn A gundam's ult are just not looked at... Good that they're tuning down melee zaku's ult. I do think that they have to start tweaking how some of these skills work instead of just changing the cooldown and damage numbers...
@@ArchSight reworking means changing the skills completely... I'm talking about minor changes to make those OP ults not as OP for example maybe decrease the speed of Turn A flying during moon light butterfly, those sort of idea. The ultimates are OP because of many things. They can nerf some of their aspects to balance them rather than reworking the whole thing (imo the only thing that needs rework is a MS called Mahiroo btw)
Marasai combo is its only saving grace nerfing it might sent it to oblivion done wrongly.
no marihoo clip buff seems wack, i plan on buying him next anyway but it would have been nice to not rely on the reload cancel
No mechanical changes, only number tweaks. No zaku ranged bullets increase?
Are you worried about the future state of the game in terms of player base? Yesterday at one point it was like 2K, love this game's gameplay mechanics and aesthetics. But friends are starting to lose interest especially post OW2 launch
It’s barely peeking at about 3k now on steam so yeah I definitely am. Game will always be fine in Japan and Southeast Asia, but that doesn’t really help this channel at all 😅
All I can say is I'm happy they didn't really touch my DOM Trooper X'D
I would rather see these smaller changes than large sweeping mechanical changes.
I don't know if just increasing shield hp would solve the tanking issue considering melee MS bypass them. Though I would love to see some changes on that front. Maybe you could make a vid on your ideas for fixing how squishy the tanks are
Definitely plan to do! Though I’ve talked about it before in other videos too
Yup waiting till next patch
There’s not a way to request healing outside of chat and voice chat right ?
Don’t think so lol...
@@Dunmuir i love this game quite a bit rn but some of these omissions are like 😬
I feel like they're going to pull what Raven software did with MW2019. They make miniscule nonsense changes to things to make it appear changes are being made to the game. But in game nothing substantial really changes.
Man, they should just give the sazabi’s rifle an alt fire that’s a mid range beam when the shield is down like it had in the anime
I'm very disappointed that they didn't buff Sazabi but instead sort of nerf/adjusted him. It's already hard enough playing him. All the ammo plus makes his life so hard
Honestly my big issue is Marasai and Turn A's stun. You get stunned enough to get two headshots. Not cool.
Yep, it’s too easy to secure a kill that way tbh
Honestly, these changes being as bad as they are will hopefully make the devs realize that data alone won't cut it. I am assuming the next big balance patch won't be until the start of season 2 though.
We can hope so, but in their mind they're likely thinking that they know what's right because they have the data and that people will understand over time
I was expecting Exia nerfs and Mahiru buffs, which...technically happened. I was not expecting all these other tiny changes which range from nonsensical, to bad, to insignificant.
When will the game come out on console?
its so weird they made changes to melee but didnt touch barbatos, looks like it'll still delete GMs for quite some time
Sazabi reduce 29 to 26 that reduce damage like 12%
then buff shield 100 that less than 10% but even give his shield 1000 more that would just give him to live 1 sec more
atleast give him at better funnels
The weapon in gundam are extremely dangerous. Just don’t play Sazabi like normal tanks in other games.
@@youtubedeletedmyaccountlma2263 that's why i need a better funnels have to saw a blank hp runaway while funnels miss all shot is hurts since Sazabi doesn't have enough booster to run after them
They not only not buffed shields, they make them more useless and basically said "don't use them" with that changes! I'm pissed...
Lol fr
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Dude what? 😂
You know what, I was expecting a bigger health pool for shields. But I’ll settle with a ZakuM ultimate nerf.
But settling with exia remaining barely touched, GM sniper getting buffed, and mahiroo barely touched to be good outside of two maps on very select maps. Tbh I don't think this update fixed anything
I feels like, in a sense...
Guntank got indirectly nerfed since other MS shooting more, slightly diminishing something that Guntank good at, which is spamming main gun with its unlimited ammo to secure kills
I really hoped they reduce cannon's CD, like seriously
But for me, the main looking forward for this patch is..........
They addressed the random DC, And i really hope I can rejoin just fine when DC'ed
I hope i wont see 20 minutes (cannot matchmaking) + 15 minutes ban ever again lol
26:00
Why i can imagine if they adding GP02A his Ult would be like that lol
Totally team kill every enemies, but can only used in one game lol
Edit : Im still got DC and got leaver penalty....
So yeah.... Sad moment .. really
Christ I've seen what happens to a game when it balances based on w/r and ignoring everything else (WT). This really killed my hype alot. Holy shit they BUFFED GM sniper. Yes by only a single bullet but it shows their absolute blindness to their game just because they improved him.
They did a few things good the rest was dissapointing. No mentions about progress but I guess thant's for Season 2 hopefully
Idk what they were thinking with sniper, barbatos needs a overhaul
Eh I think they lowkey need help with the balance
Well then. I guess im waiting for the next gundam game.
It's a free game. It's not perfect, but it's worth it
Holy crap you guys are gonna ruin the game crying this much. This isn’t Overwatch just have fun.
@@zenith5048 How are the players the one ruining the game? The devs and their silly design decisions, crappy balance, and terrible maps are what dropped the game from 50k players to 5k in a month. You don't lose literally 90% of your playerbase and then blame the players, lmao.
cant believe they did my boy sazabi like this😔
No shield buffs loool
why even give him the option to chase the axe if you want him to "midrange" lmao
balance patches before i can even play the game on console amazing
Almost like a lot of games. So many multiplayer games have devs that don't listen to the people and instead listen to the data. The overwatch update that's coming out is a good example of devs not getting it. Unless they change things of course but they haven't always done too great in the past for what players wanted.
25:06 Dunmuir predicts DLC suit GP02A Physalis
Chonk 👀
@@Dunmuir gotta have chonk to carry a tactical nuke
Feels like the devs never got into a actually game and experience the problems with the characters, mahiro can't kill a full HP enemy with 1 clip, RX-78 can two tap most MS' , Sazabi and GM will INSTANTLY lose their shield since they're such a big target, Guntank has pitiful DPS, they're not looking at their changes at a PRACTICAL sense. Number changes can only change so much...
Guntank is perfect right now. He do not need to aim
At least these devs balance their game somewhat better than ow devs, they don't really have any characters that can 2 - 3 shot other than sazabi (at close) and barbatos, ow2 is like.. 40 - 78% of the game that can destroy.
They said Marihoo is too weak and didn't even buff his damage lmao, they buffed the damage on his Ult a little bit but he's still at the same spot. His cannon ability will remain garbage no matter what the cooldown is, the fact that you're immobile while you use it makes it pretty worthless since while using it, you'll be stunned longer than the enemy will be.
it would be nice if Mahiroo can't stun itself with the cannon ability although would probably be so annoying to deal with since Mahiroo can just finish you all because you fell right into its trap
If these changes are not to your liking, contact the devs. There is a link on their website to contact them with issues you have, so let them know that balancing the game off of win rates is not what we want as a community. If we all collectively tell them that we like this game and that if it were balanced correctly it would be more fun, they will fix it, or risk losing players in droves.
i hate this patch so much i am fine with them balacing off of stats and numbers so long as they actually understand what a unit is supposed to do, how it interacts with their team, and what answers the enemy can come up with. The tanks cannot tank in this game which sucks, everyone is encouraged to be a flanker which leads to idiot kda players in soloq, and its hard to believe that they nerfed Hades before even looking at Dom trooper/turn a ult. How did the sniper escape nerfs while marasai could not?
As a Mahiroo main, *I'm in pain*
Totally agreed they should nerfed exia harder even I'm a exia main.
That right click nerf doesn't changed the play style currently. I can still one shot combo on any 800 units, if I got head shots during the combo it still one shot 1000 units as well. And it just takes 2 extra sec to get my right click black.
And you are right dev should do something on exia’s uit. At least decrease the side step charges from 2 to 1 since the ult reset skills and it has faster CDR on skills. And dmg boost on right click does 600dmg during ult feels a little bit to much
Exia is insanely broken to be honest, youre 100% right about it
Very happy with teh Zaku 2 nerfs but they kinda distracted me from the rest of the patch which you pointed out, is really not good at all. Not a good look and they didn't address progression being terrible at all. Not looking good for the game at all, very sad.
Yep the progression bit is the biggest L
In the beginning you were talking about how they would base their decisions off of play data but you didn't seem to include the other half which is our opinions. They said both play data AND opinions. It just felt like you were ignoring that part. Although, if we don't have a proper way to submit feedback, I would say our opinions don't mean anything if all we can do is hope they go on social media or forums. Ideally it would be nice if they watched video's like yours but you know, all we can do is hope right? EDIT: Going further into the video, they totally made a lot of wrong decisions so they never actually took ANY opinions into account. This makes me worried for the game. I am already bad at the game and now I feel like I am just going to do worse with those changes.
They basically listened to a bit of what people were complaining about the most, but then made random sporadic changes on them and on other characters based on win rates
@@Dunmuir So how are we supposed to reliably submit feedback. Like, in New World we can actually press escape and see a feed back option in the menu, or with some games there is a website to submit feedback. What do we have here?
@@xephyrexe5246 there's an option to send in feedback through the bandai support, but other than that and being really loud on social media, you have to wait for them to make a survey :/
Great video. A lot of fair & clear insight. I’m right there with u, I have no idea why they chose to follow numbers for balancing instead of technical fundamentals of each suit. They honestly need to hire u.
same no idea why they thought let's just give everyone more ammo, sure more ammo is nice, but it doesn't solve the underlying issue with why melee units are trashing ranged units.
@@azsxj7303 zaku melee losing range is a big thing since most of the time he kill people by chasing them,
If only they would lol
gg
Gg
untouched barbatos.
Needs a rework
i love how they dont try to mention progression and capital gain , shows how little they care
If they change that, it will be season 2 at the earliest.
am i the only one who likes the way the game is? melee zaku ult and exia were the only things needing a nerf i mean im only gold but i won 90% of my ranked games i think unit balance is fine map design could be better tho oh and everyone crying about barb press left shift and S
I have a brand new complaint about the game.
There is no way to earn Credits beyond the 7 sets of Beginner Challenges. This paywalls the game and prevents Free To Plays (like myself) from getting all of the units!
Yep, it’s lame
Man this sucks I really feel like they need to shift barb and zaku into disrupt tanks and tone down the gs
I have no idea how to counter exia
Seems like they only balance the units based on win rate, which is not enough imo. Destiny 2 did this and it didn't work. Balancing imo should be based on performance metrics like ttk, ease of use, utility, etc...
Lol beginners will keep lowering win rate XD
1) What I don't understand is why they didn't just shorten the HADES duration. If they want to "balance for damage output" (total garbage imo) then they should make HADES run for shorter so it's more punishing for higher skill players who can maximize the use of HADES than punish low skill that can't pump the ult fast enough.
2) I'm biased as a Sazabi main but goddamn of all the damage numbers to tweak, why Beam Shotgun. Why not buff Turn A's charge shot or make it less than one year for Guntank's cannon to land. The distance improvement doesn't even mean anything because of the spread - freaking no one would even use a shotgun outside of point blank or turning a corner.
3) GM Sniper II needs a RoF nerf I swear. When someone's good at GM Sniper I start to worry they're aimbotting, and it seriously ruins the fun of the game. Ideally he should only scope a full second (or two) after making a scoped shot but in return his unscoped attack isn't total garbage when he needs to panic shoot before his scope's ready. I don't think that really ruins Vulcan because every Sniper I got the jump on tends to die before they can even start the Vulcan.
4) Hooray Turn A gets more shots so he can panic shoot/hipfire instead of charged shot. Why did they even give him a charge shot if it's never all that useful?
5) Beam Spray Gun, already a long-range weapon, gets even more range. Why would that be useful? Why didn't they just give him 14/16 shots? They expect the shield to fall faster anyway, so at least more ammo + fast shots that don't up in spread would have been a nice buff combo. (They already don't up in spread that is, so an ammo buff would actually work instead of... Asshimar.) I like Det Bomb range though, just personally. I love being minipyro GM.
6) Exia didn't get a damage drop-by-distance on the ranged main weapon. LOL
7) "Marasai could almost always disable an enemy unit" meanwhile Barb's combo (actually, all of Barb) is untouched omegalul
All in all balance changes are unsatisfying, nothing of what anyone would have expected or even wanted, and potentially makes the game worse. Hooray.
I really hope someone starts taking a different direction with the game because goddamn it's depressing to listen to damage bean counters try to "balance" this game.
They’re literally just balancing on numbers and then coming up for reasons why it needs to be changed pr mych
you can charge Turn A rifle while you are dashinga and doing movement too you know?
@@tejoadi4349 Doesn't change the fact that a charged shot doesn't do enough damage since it still takes like three shots to down someone. Regardless of if you can or can't move as you do it, not to mention that movement doesn't exactly help except if you're charging into position for the first shot - if you want subsequent charged shots you'll be using your movement to position pierce effects or round corners for countersniping.
these are some really silly changes but still. i do not want this game to fail already. countless online games had bad starts, I can be patient personally but it’s not looking great and I am NOT going back to overwatch or trying to learn something as sweaty as BO2. Fuck, man.
Yehhh, not an ideal situation all around
I was hoping this patch would make me want to come back to the game but it really hasnt... :/
@@ArchSight watch the video, it should give you a pretty good idea
Its so weird nerfing Melee Zaku slash range when it's not even that good damage at all. Bamco doing Bamco things I see. I do however agree with the G Maneuver nerf though, it was waaay too strong.
I hate melee Zaku
Do you think maybe they went soft on the nerfs because console release hasn’t happened yet?
This feels like hopium
@@bigmcjones230 it’s more a question than hopes but you’re not wrong lol
@@zenith5048 all good I want nothing but the best for it. However this patch note shattered all hope for me.
Honestly I main Sazabi because I'm a tank/bruiser main in alot of game but his shield break way way too fast consider there's like 6 enemy shooting you, and there's like few characters especially character like barbatos who I see almost every game or any character that can ignore sheild just push me around like some punching bag. So what they do ? Oh let's nerf the dmg but not make them tanky genius
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After playing the game post patch, I kinda get why a lot of players left for good. Most everything they did to "rebalance the game" didn't make sense. It feels like they chucked playerbase feedback out of the window and went for ing ame statistics because they were too scared to read honest feedback and criticism.
I would still play if I could get a match but not even remotely as much as I planned to when they first announced the game.
Just hoping they pull their sh*t together and listen to the players in the next patch. I don't see that happening but they'll never be able to stop the bleeding and players leaving until they do.
Only thing keeping me from playing ow2 is battlenet tbh.
They need buff Sazabi's shield
I wish they debuff barbatos stunt 🤣..at least you have a chance to counter attack
Same....
Battleborn 2.0 RIP
why did they have to buff GM sniper tho lol
Because melee suits were so op of course 😂
Balancing on win rate is a terrible idea, War Thunder uses a similar system and so far it's not working very well
I was obsessed when the game released but the gameplay got pretty stale with how many bad balanced characters there were. I was waiting to dive back in after this patch but this looks worse than before tbh
Yeh :/ I think a lot of people feel the same
100% looked at numbers vs fundamentals of the game. If they continue with this same dynamic, they'll kill off their game, at least in the NA. The player base is dwindling more & more & more. You can't even get a ranked match unless you play during peak hours. Most have left entirely to JP Server because you also don't get paired against the same player's 2-5 matches back to back both in Ranked & Casual. Listen to the players like you did in the beta. It's not a difficult dynamic to understand or follow. I may just outright skip all of Season 2 until the following patch because this is just going to be the most minimalistic of changes. They are already pushing a Tournament scene, and clearly they've already decided that's the players to focus on, the Pro's. Literally reads as such in the patch notes. Well, if you look at higher ranked games of play and the analytical data vs the fundamentals, mechanics, and locations of where this is occurring on your maps instead of just the damn numbers maybe you'll learn something.
Guntank mains we must show the world that we don't need no buffs.