Larry Mac saying "we don't wanna be the MLB, the NFL, blah blah blah" but then turning around and dick-riding the playoffs one month later, requires an unfathomable level of cognitive dissonance. Where does he think NASCAR got the idea to add a playoffs in the first place??
People really have a habit of beefing with denny at night thats when his most juicy tweets release did larrymac not see how denny roasted marcus smith on twitter 🤣
OK everybody, lets start counting Denny's beefs. Nascar in general, Larry Mac, Marcus Smith, Alex Bowman, Kyle Larson, I know I am missing a bunch. FedEx maybe?
I’ll give my personal opinion. I dislike Denny as a driver. The guy just rubs me the wrong way. Despite that though, I have respect for him, his ability, and most of all, huge respect for the way he looks out for fans! Doesn’t mean I have to like him on track, but definitely like him more than Logano
Undeniably better racing now i liked both so i have no bias but come on man... the racing is just better. So many old heads like the playoffs but want tweaks which is fair. Mostly just young people who weren't around for it in the first place want the long format.
@@zumptt Yeah, I actually enjoy the high stakes that the playoff format brings, but if they can tweak it in a way the rewards consistency, that would be great.
@@zumptthow is the racing better? Because we crown fluke champions who dont deserve it? No the stupid gimmicky playoff system makes up for the lack of real racing from these modern cars that are impossible to pass…
@christophergritti9873 they 100% ARE taking part in the playoff races. Stop trying to twist the words. They are in the playoffs, but they aren't playoff qualifiers. Ffs, they can even win the playofff races. Hell, they can win the final race. Which means that the qualified playoff drivers can advance without even winning races. That's beyond absurd.
I see a lot of people suggesting the 3 race championship. Why not 4? Current format with one important change: 16 drivers - 3 races, cut 4 - 3 more races, cut 4. Then the final 4 races are for championship with 8 competitors. Reset the points the same way with bonus points and all. I think this way is the best sample to determine a champ.
I've been a SXM subscriber for 20 years. For the last 19 years, I was a loyal listener to all of the programs. Out of the Groove was the first NASCAR podcast I really latched onto. Since then, I've become a loyal listener to several podcast, including Actions Detrimental. Let me be real clear. I've never been a Denny Hamlin fan. But listening to his podcast on a weekly basis, I have a new appreciation for Denny. He has an incredible insight to what happens during the race, concerning the race cars themselves and the drivers. Denny's opinions on the "state of the sport" are directly in line with my opinions. DBC, The Teardown along with Out of the Groove are excellent NASCAR podcast that are unbiased and I can relate with weekly. Since becoming a loyal listener of the fore mentioned podcasts, I have almost stopped, listening to all the programming on SXM. It is very clear in my opinion who the people work for that produce and host the programming on SXM. On several recent occasions when I've listened to McReynolds and Trotta's SMX "On track" program, I've found Trotta to very disrespectful to callers. McReynolds has always been openminded and hospitable to callers of the show. But Trotta has become insufferable to listen to. SXM 20 years ago in its inception, was a dream come true for NASCAR fans. It was filled with host that had lots of opinions who didn't mind sharing them. Fast forward to today and all you have are a bunch of NASCAR representatives who force-feed whatever narrative NASCAR has at the moment on their listeners. I will be canceling my subscription to SXM at the end of the year. I get all that I need and more from podcasts. SXM has become no different from the Legacy Media, and we all know the major network media outlets are suffering from a lack of viewership. Out with the old and usher in the new.
Eric, here's my version of The Playoffs! -24 race regular season, 12 race playoffs. -Top 16 in regular season points are eligible for playoffs. -Winning a stage in a race rewards a driver 5 bonus points. Meaning that winning both stages will be 10 bonus points. Winning both stages and a race in the regular season rewards 20 bonus points. Maximum of 30 bonus points for when a driver dominates a race. -The regular season champion will reward 40 bonus points. -Each round of The Playoffs contains 3 races each. RO16, RO12, RO8, and The Final 4. -In the RO16, drivers who are Top 12 in points advance to the RO12. Top 12 in points advance to the RO8, and the Top 8 in points advance to The Final 4. Driver with the most points in The Final 4 is crowned a champion. -During the playoffs, winning a stage rewards 10 bonus points. Winning both stages reward 20 bonus points. Winning a race rewards a driver 25 bonus points. Maximum of 45 bonus points for when a driver dominates a race. My Playoff format is kind of like the current format, but without the win and you're in, and win and you advance. If there’s anything I missed, let me know.
What I said when they started the chase was they simply needed to add more points for a win. That was under the Winston cup system. That would assure race winners were still in the title hunt at the end of the season. However if you got lucky and won a plate race but stink the rest of the year you won’t necessarily be in the hunt.
Funny how Larry said that we don't want NASCAR to be like other sports yet he wants to lash out at Denny for questioning NASCAR because they have essentially been trying to be like every other sport.
YES! Keep the power rankings. I loved hearing why you thought some drivers were higher than others in your opinion. Made me change my opinions of how drivers were doing
yea right. maybe the voice of the socialist, foreign car driving queer fans. the rest of us have our own voice. we dont need another man to speak for us
@@thicccheese4007 Gene Haas founded Haas CNC Racing, a single-car team that debuted at Kansas Speedway in Tony Stewart became a co-owner of the team, rebranding it as Stewart-Haas Racing
16 drivers is way too many, and waters down the prestige of making it. They had it right the first time when it was top 10 drivers getting in. Get rid of "win and you're in" which is a very unpopular gimmick that is probably the worst thing at the moment. As for Larry McReynolds, he is a long time shill for Nascar, rarely if EVER stepping out of line and criticizing them for anything. Kyle Petty is another bootlicker who defends everything Nascar does.
What people fail to realize is that Denny doesn't advocate for making NASCAR better. Denny advocates for what helps 23XI or himself. Which is fair and I commend him for doing that - but he needs to be honest of who he is advocating for.
Larry McReynolds, Kenny Wallace and others are afraid to say anything against NASCAR for fear of retribution. This tells us everything we need to know about NASCAR.
5:30 here's an idea along similar lines: a 12-race playoff (all four rounds with three races each, still with 16 drivers to begin with and still with the bottom four eliminated at the end of each round)
Denny's format change is awesome imo. Still requires consistency with a bit of luck. if anything, make it 12 drivers and have an elimination 4 races in, of the bottom 4, without resetting the points. And then elminate 4 more in 3 races, and then final 4 in the last three races. No point resetting until final 4.
What about a sliding scale for a "win and your in", Have the scale get smaller as the regular season progresses. So start at Daytona = win and your in, by the end of the season, only top 20 (insert appropriate number here) in points are eligible for "win and your in" Meaning, by the end of the season you need to be consistent to get into the playoffs with only a win. Then use Denny's 3 or 4 race final.
I believe the rule is… unless they’ve changed it because they have been known to do such things, you still have to be top 25 in points as of race 26, even for a win and you’re in
I love Larry Mac he's done heard enough of Denny complaining about everything. I actually agree with Denny I'm not a big fan of the playoffs but I'm Team Larry Mac when it comes to everything else. Larry just gave an opinion just like Denny does about everything so I guess that would mean he's constantly spreading disinformation as well
For playoffs qualify only the winners from first 26 races (Round 1). Round 2 consists of 7 races, only winners advance to Championship round. Championship Round of final 3 races (Round 3). Champion is the one who has the most wins in final 3 races or winner of the last race or the one who finishes in front of other round 3 drivers. Simple, rewards winning, that matters the most.
The uproar over the post just makes me laugh it’s probably some social media intern who had the idea. People acting like the people who matter at NASCAR even know the password to the account, now leaving it up is definitely a choice to analyze but not the first post
Newman also nearly won the inaugural playoffs with a single win in the championship race. If I remember correctly, he was leading with something like five to go.
I really just want the old format back. Champion is the one with the most points at the end of the season. Anything else will always feel like a gimmick.
@WhatAboutTheBee and every other major racing series. NASCAR has made itself a joke among racing fans chasing after casual sports fans that will never be interested in auto racing.
@JWC924 yes. I enjoyed seeing the champion earn their title by building a body of work over the course of a season across all tracks. Also, that format never produced a winless champion. This one did in 5 years, or less than 15 attempts across all 3 series.
This isn't about the format imo, it is the fact that Logano did it better than all the others. If you look at Ryan Blaney in 2023, his regular season stats were VERY close to Joey's. Ryan went on to win the championship and didn't even win the race. No complaints from the fans, they cheered YRB. Dave's son as you know. Logano does one better and actually wins the race and the fans need to be hospitalized for Logano Derangement Syndrome. NASCAR fans are such pearl clutching hypocrites.
Eric, please post your playoff format idea everywhere you can post it!!! You have the best idea!!!!!!! I dont like Steve Letartes, Denny's is not too bad but too different like you said, Harvick's made no sense? You have the best idea I've heard yet!!!!!!! And so simple!!!
I think you underestimate these drivers. The driving is different. The culture is different. Changing the format doesn’t change the drivers. These aren’t your good ole boys from 2003 and a pints system like the chase won’t change the driving style that dramatically
I honestly think you're right...NASCAR let the drivers get away with too much now when they used to be too strict, they need to find a happy medium and stick to it...I cringe anytime new fans who didn't even watch much before 2022 start crying and claiming we want NASCAR to penalize bumping or making contact! Do these new fans realize how dumb and entitled they sound!? And all they can come up with is shit like "Earnhardt is dead! Get over it!" Or some other disrespect shit...I dare these people to say that out loud ANYWHERE in North Carolina in public...tell me how it goes...
I was just writing that my fix would be to just reverse the order. 1 race elimates 4, then we just continue and that gives us the 3 race finals. I haven't been watching nascar videos since season is over but was just curious about Hamlin McReynolds. So we basically have the same fix it sounds like.
My change would just be to randomize the races in the playoffs every year. Super-speedways can't be the championship race, and you can keep the same 10 races you do now, but there's no guarantee which race will be in what slot. Hell, you could do an off season draft reveal of it.
Keep the playoff format. I would like to see tighter points, more consistency like a playoff point only for race win not stage. And stage points be as 1st-3rd 3 points. 4th-6th 2 points, and 7th-10th 1 point. Also keep the win and in only for top 25 in standings.
I really like Hamlins playoff format. I do believe that driver that collects the most wins in that 7 race span should get a bye into the next round. Any tie breakers should be decided by the points.
I like having multiple paths for winning the championship, and ever since they came with the current format, there was always a chance that you’ll see seasons like we just did and when winning only matters, your gunna cheapen the regular season really no solution would be perfect in terms of exciting conclusion with a few drivers fighting it out. I’m old school, 40 yrs old probably been watching for 30 years and I’ve never seen the issue with a full season points championship. There were plenty of times you seen 2-3 drivers with a real shot at winning it all, and still pretty exciting, and if your newer fan and don’t believe me, go watch the documentary about Alan Kulewiki Championship season. Between him, Elliot and Earnhardt I believe, hard to remember, but it was crazy what went it to and all the crazyness of that final race at Atlanta
Since you were talking about fun with numbers today. I decided to make a quick comparison of 3 or more NASCAR champion drivers, specifically how many wins per championship they all have. One might conclude that the lower the number, the better the driver since they capitalized on race wins and converted them to championships. I guess I was wrong about Logano, he is the 3rd best driver in NASCAR history by this metric. I know this stat means nothing but I was amused. Dale Earnhardt - 10.86 Jimmie Johnson - 11.85 Joey Logano - 12 Lee Petty - 13.5 Tony Stewart - 16.33 Jeff Gordon - 23.25 David Pearson - 26.25 Cale Yarborough - 27.67 Darrell Waltrip - 28 Richard Petty - 28.57
I still think that we should have a 12 race playoff. 4 3 race segments. Last segment 4 cars with 3 races for the championship. First 10 winners are in last 6 come from points.
The story was on purpose. And goes back more than you think. Years ago Denny made fun of Joey right after he left Gibbs and basically said he doesn’t see him up front and mocked him as a non competitive driver.
I prefer Hamlin's format over the current one, but it still has a red flag to me. One bad race (engine trouble, getting caught up in someone else's wreck) in those final 3 would almost guaranteed sink you. One twist on Hamlin's suggestion could be to score those final 4 competitors based on where they finish in relation to the other championship drivers. 4 points for the highest finish among the championship competitors, 3 points for 2nd highest, , 2 points for 3rd highest, etc. Toss in 1 extra point for actually winning a race. And if there's a tie at the end, then the highest average finish for those 3 races is the champion. It still gives the championship contenders incentive to win, and it also makes it tough on contenders who have wrecked other racers throughout the season because payback can be gotten just by holding them up as much as possible or not holding up their enemy as much.
What if we keep the playoffs the same as they are except make the first round only 2 races and make the final round 2 races? Martinsville and phoenix for the championship. Could even double stage points to reward consistency more. Just a thought 🤷🏻♂️
Final 4 should be the driver with the most wins all the way to the final race. The driver who led the most laps all the way to the final race. The regular season points champion at race 26. And the 1 driver who survives a 9 race chase
Just my overall opinion on the format... I think if you are going to throw a wild card race in the playoffs (like a Super Speedway, Road Course) you need at least 3 races per round. Imo the playoffs should mirror regular to an extent if you get caught up in the big one at Daytona, Dega, Atlanta there's always next week. I like the idea of a 1 race first round 3 race 2nd, 3rd, 4th. The only thing I would have a concern with when it comes to if 2 or 3 of the championship 4 wins a race in the final round what would be the tie breaker?
Just make winning more valuable with more points. It's not hard. If you do that, then the drivers will likely have to win at least one time in the playoffs to have a shot. I mean, look at Blaeny in the final 3 race this years: 2nd, 1st and 2nd. That's championship material if I ever saw it, but he finished 2nd in the only race that counts for a title to someone else that was not good for 2 out of thsoe 3 races and frankly, not good for most of the season whereas Blaney clearly had speed all year. I want consistecy rewarded too, not just a win at "the right time" being the deciding factor in a an inorganic setting.
I’d REALLY like to know your thoughts on the removal of Brett Griffin from the DBC podcast. It doesn’t appear that it was a mutual decision. The conspiracy theory part of me says- Brett was the one who started the rumor of Bowman not keeping his seat for 2025, which caused an uproar right as the playoffs started. Bowman drives for Rick Hendrick. HMS is a part owner of JR Motorsports- and Junior owns Dirty Mo. but I really want to hear what you think
4:53 I bet if it was hendrick or Gibbs dominating yall wouldn’t be saying anything… oh wait they did and now that Penske is running the table everyone wants change again
3 race shootout Top 12 in pts makes the 3 race shootout 1st race 12 drivers 2nd race 6 drivers 3rd race 3 drivers race for the crown IF you win in the Regular season. 10 bonus points per win to seat you in order at start of the post season 3 race shootout. Also a 20 pt bonus for Regular season champion to be rewarded at the start of the 3 race shootout. With this format you are rewarding pts, and rewarding wins. With this format you could possibly shorten the season as well.
@kg0173 if you win the 1st round you automatically move to the 2nd round and same for 2nd round. If you win 2nd round you advance to final round of 3. To reward all winners is exactly what we have right now. Points racing brings out the best. Rewarding wins with bonus points makes a driver fight for every point and every win all season. Yes every team and driver fights all season currently, but with just 1 win the mentality is I'm in the chase so I can mentality relax now. With my proposal it challenges the drivers and teams to be beyond perfect every race all season.
Get over the playoffs. They are what they are - those idiots who didn't watch how Penske did their playoff wins are the very same whiners and upset. Give it a rest.
I keep seeing a lot of people suggest a "playoff" that has no mention of resetting points in any way. If that was the case, the playoffs would literally be for nothing and it would just be a more complicated Winston format lol. It's highly unlikely 16th in points ever come back to 1st in 10 races, or 12th in 8 races., and so on. We need the drivers in the playoffs to be close enough in points for 16th to have a reason to be there.
There aren't 16 drivers worthy. Cut it down to 10-12 drivers. That's my hang up on the whole thing. I admittedly don't like any Chase or playoff format, but if we have to have one almost half the field doesn't need to be part of it.
I personally think the amount of points for winning should be so high that it's mathematically impossible to win the Cup without wins unless all the winners run part time and some guy top 5 and 10s his way which would never happen.
Larry Mac saying "we don't wanna be the MLB, the NFL, blah blah blah" but then turning around and dick-riding the playoffs one month later, requires an unfathomable level of cognitive dissonance.
Where does he think NASCAR got the idea to add a playoffs in the first place??
Larry just needed a bigger nap.
Larry Mac is The Goat @@provicate4334
Came here to say this. Larry Mac would say anything to say relevant in NASCAR.
🇺🇸 🧰🔧 America's Crewchief.
😗🍼🏁 NASCAR's Suckup.
@@RS_Dad no truer statement that i have seen this matter has been made!
Full season points championship is the ONLY legitimate way to crown a motorsport’s champion!
the irony that someone approved the official nascar account to post joey holding up monopoly money 💀😭
NASCAR is trolling that bum Denny.
Check cleared moment for bowman dq 😵💫
Larry McReynolds vs Denny Hamlin before GTA 6
"Let's get ready to rumble!"
This fr cray cray 🤣🤣😭
@@thembanjoko2844im dead 😂😂😂😂
Jokes old. Move along
@@limprooster3253 i bet you're so cool
Have a merry off season and a happy Christmas quote from chase elliott
@@marcusvillarreal classic!
@PaperBanjo64 thank you
harvick fans punching air lol
@@grantrustin I know
Who's your prediction for the clash and The 500 and champion for 2025??
Kyle Busch running the chili bowl👀
Kyle Busch at least won a truck race in 2024. Its amazing that nobody even mentions his streak that now is lost.
@@kg0173They did
@@kg0173 I'm praying another organization buys out his contract. He deserves better. I don't think he's washed up yet. RCR just sucks..
People really have a habit of beefing with denny at night thats when his most juicy tweets release did larrymac not see how denny roasted marcus smith on twitter 🤣
Meanwhile, it's late night in mom's basement...
Who uses twitter anymore?
@@NeedsLessWedge me cause thats where i get all my nascar news from and other sports news
OK everybody, lets start counting Denny's beefs. Nascar in general, Larry Mac, Marcus Smith, Alex Bowman, Kyle Larson, I know I am missing a bunch. FedEx maybe?
It’s funny how Denny continues to be on the side of the fans and be their voice but they still hate him to no end.
only the morons hate him at this point lmao.
I’ll give my personal opinion.
I dislike Denny as a driver. The guy just rubs me the wrong way.
Despite that though, I have respect for him, his ability, and most of all, huge respect for the way he looks out for fans! Doesn’t mean I have to like him on track, but definitely like him more than Logano
I really want to hate him on track but he makes it hard by being so likable off-track
I hope he wins a Championship as a driver one day but there's no doubt he'll be in that spot as an owner, no matter what happens lawsuit or nothing
NASCAR can boot Denny and MJ. Denny will never win a championship and look what MJ did when he owned a basketball team. Nothing.
First it was the Denny Hamlin & Marcus Smith beef, now its Denny vs Larry Mac. LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLE!
You said it right it’s not fair when one team has an advantage at one track
Eric being a playoff Defender will always baffle me like bro Matt could have been a two-time champion
Yeah...his beloved Kenseth was the last champ before chaseoffs
Undeniably better racing now i liked both so i have no bias but come on man... the racing is just better. So many old heads like the playoffs but want tweaks which is fair. Mostly just young people who weren't around for it in the first place want the long format.
@@zumptt Yeah, I actually enjoy the high stakes that the playoff format brings, but if they can tweak it in a way the rewards consistency, that would be great.
He’s a Logano fan. They seem to be the only ones riding the playoff dildo. Funny how biases work
@@zumptthow is the racing better? Because we crown fluke champions who dont deserve it? No the stupid gimmicky playoff system makes up for the lack of real racing from these modern cars that are impossible to pass…
Larry lets not be like other sports.
Lets do playoffs like all other sports
Except they don't do playoffs like other sports. No other sport lets those who failed to make the playoffs, participate in them.
@zzz7zzz9 ......... theyyyyyy don't? I mean, yeah the other teams are there racing their own race but they're not in the playoffs.
@christophergritti9873 they 100% ARE taking part in the playoff races. Stop trying to twist the words. They are in the playoffs, but they aren't playoff qualifiers. Ffs, they can even win the playofff races. Hell, they can win the final race.
Which means that the qualified playoff drivers can advance without even winning races. That's beyond absurd.
@zzz7zzz9 oh so there's 36 cars in the playoffs every year? got it. Thanks for clarifying that.
Don't blame him for being a shill, he's been getting his paychecks from them for 35 years now
I see a lot of people suggesting the 3 race championship. Why not 4? Current format with one important change: 16 drivers - 3 races, cut 4 - 3 more races, cut 4. Then the final 4 races are for championship with 8 competitors. Reset the points the same way with bonus points and all. I think this way is the best sample to determine a champ.
I've been a SXM subscriber for 20 years. For the last 19 years, I was a loyal listener to all of the programs. Out of the Groove was the first NASCAR podcast I really latched onto. Since then, I've become a loyal listener to several podcast, including Actions Detrimental. Let me be real clear. I've never been a Denny Hamlin fan. But listening to his podcast on a weekly basis, I have a new appreciation for Denny. He has an incredible insight to what happens during the race, concerning the race cars themselves and the drivers. Denny's opinions on the "state of the sport" are directly in line with my opinions. DBC, The Teardown along with Out of the Groove are excellent NASCAR podcast that are unbiased and I can relate with weekly. Since becoming a loyal listener of the fore mentioned podcasts, I have almost stopped, listening to all the programming on SXM. It is very clear in my opinion who the people work for that produce and host the programming on SXM. On several recent occasions when I've listened to McReynolds and Trotta's SMX "On track" program, I've found Trotta to very disrespectful to callers. McReynolds has always been openminded and hospitable to callers of the show. But Trotta has become insufferable to listen to. SXM 20 years ago in its inception, was a dream come true for NASCAR fans. It was filled with host that had lots of opinions who didn't mind sharing them. Fast forward to today and all you have are a bunch of NASCAR representatives who force-feed whatever narrative NASCAR has at the moment on their listeners. I will be canceling my subscription to SXM at the end of the year. I get all that I need and more from podcasts. SXM has become no different from the Legacy Media, and we all know the major network media outlets are suffering from a lack of viewership. Out with the old and usher in the new.
I couldn't agree more. Racehub was the same crap that's why I stopped watching that show years ago!
I ❤ Eric’s playoff format. NASCAR needs it
Eric, here's my version of The Playoffs!
-24 race regular season, 12 race playoffs.
-Top 16 in regular season points are eligible for playoffs.
-Winning a stage in a race rewards a driver 5 bonus points. Meaning that winning both stages will be 10 bonus points. Winning both stages and a race in the regular season rewards 20 bonus points. Maximum of 30 bonus points for when a driver dominates a race.
-The regular season champion will reward 40 bonus points.
-Each round of The Playoffs contains 3 races each. RO16, RO12, RO8, and The Final 4.
-In the RO16, drivers who are Top 12 in points advance to the RO12. Top 12 in points advance to the RO8, and the Top 8 in points advance to The Final 4. Driver with the most points in The Final 4 is crowned a champion.
-During the playoffs, winning a stage rewards 10 bonus points. Winning both stages reward 20 bonus points. Winning a race rewards a driver 25 bonus points. Maximum of 45 bonus points for when a driver dominates a race.
My Playoff format is kind of like the current format, but without the win and you're in, and win and you advance. If there’s anything I missed, let me know.
What I said when they started the chase was they simply needed to add more points for a win. That was under the Winston cup system. That would assure race winners were still in the title hunt at the end of the season. However if you got lucky and won a plate race but stink the rest of the year you won’t necessarily be in the hunt.
Funny how Larry said that we don't want NASCAR to be like other sports yet he wants to lash out at Denny for questioning NASCAR because they have essentially been trying to be like every other sport.
YES! Keep the power rankings. I loved hearing why you thought some drivers were higher than others in your opinion. Made me change my opinions of how drivers were doing
‘Alot of us has made a lot of good livings’. Nuff said
Great show Eric..I like the power rankings😮
I actually like your 1 race playoff then 3 3 race stages. I vote for it.
Denny has become the fans voice
Kinda poetic
yea right. maybe the voice of the socialist, foreign car driving queer fans. the rest of us have our own voice. we dont need another man to speak for us
Yes so many fans hate the guy senselessly...I used to be anti Denny until I started to listen to him and quit being a sheep.
@@PaperBanjo64 *started
He doesn't speak for me, I speak for myself.
@@tomfuchary *started? I'm confused
The NASCAR playoffs 2024. Don`t hate the players, hate the game.
i never thought i’d see the word beefs in an eric estepp title
I can only imagine how good Ryan Blaney's average finish would be if he wasn't DNF 7 times lol.
Anyone else see the comma at 10:55? Eric you’re slacking…lol
Oof now I'm mad I missed that lol
You made me look for it😁
Thanks for always keeping us in the know. Your the best at what you do.
After thinking about your play off format, Eric. I think it's the best one I've heard.
I like the WC and three race closing run.😊
Thank you Martin Truex Jr 2001-2024 and Stewart-Haas Racing 2002-2024 for all the great memories in your career gone but not forgotten
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SHR 2002?
@@thicccheese4007 Gene Haas founded Haas CNC Racing, a single-car team that debuted at Kansas Speedway in Tony Stewart became a co-owner of the team, rebranding it as Stewart-Haas Racing
@@BrandoTheGamingChampionship Haas isn’t leaving
16 drivers is way too many, and waters down the prestige of making it. They had it right the first time when it was top 10 drivers getting in.
Get rid of "win and you're in" which is a very unpopular gimmick that is probably the worst thing at the moment.
As for Larry McReynolds, he is a long time shill for Nascar, rarely if EVER stepping out of line and criticizing them for anything. Kyle Petty is another bootlicker who defends everything Nascar does.
I'm so glad I picked up the advant calendar on your site! My son is going to love it!
What people fail to realize is that Denny doesn't advocate for making NASCAR better. Denny advocates for what helps 23XI or himself.
Which is fair and I commend him for doing that - but he needs to be honest of who he is advocating for.
Larry McReynolds, Kenny Wallace and others are afraid to say anything against NASCAR for fear of retribution. This tells us everything we need to know about NASCAR.
Memo to Denny. Larry Mac has won a championship, you haven’t. Until you do I’m not interested in what you have to say.
Screw Hamlin him and Jordan might be better suited with a kfc franchise
5:30 here's an idea along similar lines: a 12-race playoff (all four rounds with three races each, still with 16 drivers to begin with and still with the bottom four eliminated at the end of each round)
Thanks, Eric! Keep the NASCAR news coming!
Eric, I really like your championship format idea! Agree with you 1000%!
Denny's format change is awesome imo. Still requires consistency with a bit of luck. if anything, make it 12 drivers and have an elimination 4 races in, of the bottom 4, without resetting the points. And then elminate 4 more in 3 races, and then final 4 in the last three races. No point resetting until final 4.
What about a sliding scale for a "win and your in", Have the scale get smaller as the regular season progresses. So start at Daytona = win and your in, by the end of the season, only top 20 (insert appropriate number here) in points are eligible for "win and your in" Meaning, by the end of the season you need to be consistent to get into the playoffs with only a win. Then use Denny's 3 or 4 race final.
I believe the rule is… unless they’ve changed it because they have been known to do such things, you still have to be top 25 in points as of race 26, even for a win and you’re in
i love the 1-3-3-3 idea ACCEPT for with the 2025 schedule a super speedway would be in the championship 4 round, which would just not make any sense
0:23-I already got my Diecast advent calendar from Amazon last week and I’m going to start opening it on December 1st!
Ford three straight!!!!! 🎉
It will only work when your favorite driver wins.
I thought he said keep the elimination rounds but don’t reset the points each round.
I love Larry Mac he's done heard enough of Denny complaining about everything. I actually agree with Denny I'm not a big fan of the playoffs but I'm Team Larry Mac when it comes to everything else. Larry just gave an opinion just like Denny does about everything so I guess that would mean he's constantly spreading disinformation as well
For playoffs qualify only the winners from first 26 races (Round 1).
Round 2 consists of 7 races, only winners advance to Championship round.
Championship Round of final 3 races (Round 3). Champion is the one who has the most wins in final 3 races or winner of the last race or the one who finishes in front of other round 3 drivers.
Simple, rewards winning, that matters the most.
The BIGGEST thing to avoid is going into the last race with an "already clinched" champ. Not much else really matters in comparison.
I like Dennys idea but I would to a 3-4-3 race format. 16 down to 10 after 3 races. Then 10 down to 4 or 5 after 4 races. I also like your format.
I want 18+ drivers with a win in the regular season next year. Let chaos reign... lol
We came damn near that in 2022 and had 19 winners by season end.
@@PaperBanjo64 Yeah, one year with just one driver in on point or something.
The uproar over the post just makes me laugh it’s probably some social media intern who had the idea. People acting like the people who matter at NASCAR even know the password to the account, now leaving it up is definitely a choice to analyze but not the first post
Exactly...I'm all for the teams but Joey did nothing wrong! It's a funny picture.
Newman also nearly won the inaugural playoffs with a single win in the championship race. If I remember correctly, he was leading with something like five to go.
Eric, another great video, thank you.
Larry Mac is just mad that somebody spoke for the fans and not sugarcoating anything anymore
Wrong
I love Larry Mac but his take on 23XI was wrong.
Also Larry Mac was around when NASCAR was more successful and done made his money.
Why?
Denny speaks for the minority of fans. The fans that complain that their favorite driver couldn't do more with 26 races at hand.
I really just want the old format back. Champion is the one with the most points at the end of the season. Anything else will always feel like a gimmick.
Exactly how it is at virtually every track across the Nation.
@WhatAboutTheBee and every other major racing series. NASCAR has made itself a joke among racing fans chasing after casual sports fans that will never be interested in auto racing.
So you're saying you would enjoy watching someone win a championship based off points with no wins.
@@JWC924 As opposed to basing the championship on just Phoenix? Yes, the season long points defines the best driver over all tracks and circumstances.
@JWC924 yes. I enjoyed seeing the champion earn their title by building a body of work over the course of a season across all tracks. Also, that format never produced a winless champion. This one did in 5 years, or less than 15 attempts across all 3 series.
This isn't about the format imo, it is the fact that Logano did it better than all the others. If you look at Ryan Blaney in 2023, his regular season stats were VERY close to Joey's. Ryan went on to win the championship and didn't even win the race. No complaints from the fans, they cheered YRB. Dave's son as you know. Logano does one better and actually wins the race and the fans need to be hospitalized for Logano Derangement Syndrome. NASCAR fans are such pearl clutching hypocrites.
I like the end-of-season power ranking stats
Eric, please post your playoff format idea everywhere you can post it!!! You have the best idea!!!!!!! I dont like Steve Letartes, Denny's is not too bad but too different like you said, Harvick's made no sense? You have the best idea I've heard yet!!!!!!! And so simple!!!
I think you underestimate these drivers. The driving is different. The culture is different. Changing the format doesn’t change the drivers. These aren’t your good ole boys from 2003 and a pints system like the chase won’t change the driving style that dramatically
I honestly think you're right...NASCAR let the drivers get away with too much now when they used to be too strict, they need to find a happy medium and stick to it...I cringe anytime new fans who didn't even watch much before 2022 start crying and claiming we want NASCAR to penalize bumping or making contact! Do these new fans realize how dumb and entitled they sound!? And all they can come up with is shit like "Earnhardt is dead! Get over it!" Or some other disrespect shit...I dare these people to say that out loud ANYWHERE in North Carolina in public...tell me how it goes...
Does our lovable, little Den Den need more attention?
I was just writing that my fix would be to just reverse the order. 1 race elimates 4, then we just continue and that gives us the 3 race finals. I haven't been watching nascar videos since season is over but was just curious about Hamlin McReynolds. So we basically have the same fix it sounds like.
My change would just be to randomize the races in the playoffs every year. Super-speedways can't be the championship race, and you can keep the same 10 races you do now, but there's no guarantee which race will be in what slot. Hell, you could do an off season draft reveal of it.
I glanced at this title and thought it said Larry Mcreynolds died, and I about had a heart attack
Larry Mac will never die. He lives inside all of us
Keep the playoff format. I would like to see tighter points, more consistency like a playoff point only for race win not stage. And stage points be as 1st-3rd 3 points. 4th-6th 2 points, and 7th-10th 1 point. Also keep the win and in only for top 25 in standings.
I really like Hamlins playoff format. I do believe that driver that collects the most wins in that 7 race span should get a bye into the next round. Any tie breakers should be decided by the points.
I think your format would be kick ass! Lets get it done
You know what they say the squeaky wheel gets the grease Eric nice hat
I like having multiple paths for winning the championship, and ever since they came with the current format, there was always a chance that you’ll see seasons like we just did and when winning only matters, your gunna cheapen the regular season really no solution would be perfect in terms of exciting conclusion with a few drivers fighting it out. I’m old school, 40 yrs old probably been watching for 30 years and I’ve never seen the issue with a full season points championship. There were plenty of times you seen 2-3 drivers with a real shot at winning it all, and still pretty exciting, and if your newer fan and don’t believe me, go watch the documentary about Alan Kulewiki Championship season. Between him, Elliot and Earnhardt I believe, hard to remember, but it was crazy what went it to and all the crazyness of that final race at Atlanta
Beef, it’s what’s for dinner!
Since you were talking about fun with numbers today. I decided to make a quick comparison of 3 or more NASCAR champion drivers, specifically how many wins per championship they all have. One might conclude that the lower the number, the better the driver since they capitalized on race wins and converted them to championships. I guess I was wrong about Logano, he is the 3rd best driver in NASCAR history by this metric. I know this stat means nothing but I was amused. Dale Earnhardt - 10.86
Jimmie Johnson - 11.85
Joey Logano - 12
Lee Petty - 13.5
Tony Stewart - 16.33
Jeff Gordon - 23.25
David Pearson - 26.25
Cale Yarborough - 27.67
Darrell Waltrip - 28
Richard Petty - 28.57
I still think that we should have a 12 race playoff. 4 3 race segments. Last segment 4 cars with 3 races for the championship. First 10 winners are in last 6 come from points.
The story was on purpose. And goes back more than you think. Years ago Denny made fun of Joey right after he left Gibbs and basically said he doesn’t see him up front and mocked him as a non competitive driver.
I prefer Hamlin's format over the current one, but it still has a red flag to me. One bad race (engine trouble, getting caught up in someone else's wreck) in those final 3 would almost guaranteed sink you.
One twist on Hamlin's suggestion could be to score those final 4 competitors based on where they finish in relation to the other championship drivers. 4 points for the highest finish among the championship competitors, 3 points for 2nd highest, , 2 points for 3rd highest, etc. Toss in 1 extra point for actually winning a race. And if there's a tie at the end, then the highest average finish for those 3 races is the champion. It still gives the championship contenders incentive to win, and it also makes it tough on contenders who have wrecked other racers throughout the season because payback can be gotten just by holding them up as much as possible or not holding up their enemy as much.
Kyle Busch could have a redemption moment if he can make a chili bowl a main on attempt 1 this year
What if we keep the playoffs the same as they are except make the first round only 2 races and make the final round 2 races? Martinsville and phoenix for the championship. Could even double stage points to reward consistency more. Just a thought 🤷🏻♂️
Final 4 should be the driver with the most wins all the way to the final race. The driver who led the most laps all the way to the final race. The regular season points champion at race 26. And the 1 driver who survives a 9 race chase
Don’t reset the points at all. Reward bonus points for wins
The playoff proposal that i recall Denny and Steve Letarte talking through required a win to get into the playoffs. No getting in on points.
I like it as long as the "win and you're in" crap is gone. And i do like a 3 race shootout of the top 4.
Just my overall opinion on the format... I think if you are going to throw a wild card race in the playoffs (like a Super Speedway, Road Course) you need at least 3 races per round. Imo the playoffs should mirror regular to an extent if you get caught up in the big one at Daytona, Dega, Atlanta there's always next week. I like the idea of a 1 race first round 3 race 2nd, 3rd, 4th. The only thing I would have a concern with when it comes to if 2 or 3 of the championship 4 wins a race in the final round what would be the tie breaker?
Larry MacDonalds vs Denny Hamburger
How are you Eric
Just make winning more valuable with more points. It's not hard. If you do that, then the drivers will likely have to win at least one time in the playoffs to have a shot. I mean, look at Blaeny in the final 3 race this years: 2nd, 1st and 2nd. That's championship material if I ever saw it, but he finished 2nd in the only race that counts for a title to someone else that was not good for 2 out of thsoe 3 races and frankly, not good for most of the season whereas Blaney clearly had speed all year. I want consistecy rewarded too, not just a win at "the right time" being the deciding factor in a an inorganic setting.
FWIW: I enjoyed the Power Rankings. Hopefully they return next year
Needs to be a 3 race playoff and include a road course
drivers are always gonna want to win the race they're in, just give us a season long story that makes sense
I’d REALLY like to know your thoughts on the removal of Brett Griffin from the DBC podcast. It doesn’t appear that it was a mutual decision. The conspiracy theory part of me says- Brett was the one who started the rumor of Bowman not keeping his seat for 2025, which caused an uproar right as the playoffs started. Bowman drives for Rick Hendrick. HMS is a part owner of JR Motorsports- and Junior owns Dirty Mo. but I really want to hear what you think
Can’t wait to see the Power Rankings throughout 2025
Thanks Eric 🏁
4:53 I bet if it was hendrick or Gibbs dominating yall wouldn’t be saying anything… oh wait they did and now that Penske is running the table everyone wants change again
3 race shootout
Top 12 in pts makes the 3 race shootout
1st race 12 drivers
2nd race 6 drivers
3rd race 3 drivers race for the crown
IF you win in the Regular season. 10 bonus points per win to seat you in order at start of the post season 3 race shootout.
Also a 20 pt bonus for Regular season champion to be rewarded at the start of the 3 race shootout.
With this format you are rewarding pts, and rewarding wins.
With this format you could possibly shorten the season as well.
How about only the winners make the next round?
@kg0173 if you win the 1st round you automatically move to the 2nd round and same for 2nd round. If you win 2nd round you advance to final round of 3.
To reward all winners is exactly what we have right now. Points racing brings out the best. Rewarding wins with bonus points makes a driver fight for every point and every win all season. Yes every team and driver fights all season currently, but with just 1 win the mentality is I'm in the chase so I can mentality relax now. With my proposal it challenges the drivers and teams to be beyond perfect every race all season.
Get over the playoffs. They are what they are - those idiots who didn't watch how Penske did their playoff wins are the very same whiners and upset. Give it a rest.
I keep seeing a lot of people suggest a "playoff" that has no mention of resetting points in any way. If that was the case, the playoffs would literally be for nothing and it would just be a more complicated Winston format lol. It's highly unlikely 16th in points ever come back to 1st in 10 races, or 12th in 8 races., and so on. We need the drivers in the playoffs to be close enough in points for 16th to have a reason to be there.
Denny Hamlin’s idea is actually so good
I like Denny format but a wildcard race and then 6 races for 12 drivers. Reg season champ gets a bye to champ 4. Top 7 get byes till round of 12
Do it like the Piston Cup, have 4 car final race.
There aren't 16 drivers worthy. Cut it down to 10-12 drivers. That's my hang up on the whole thing. I admittedly don't like any Chase or playoff format, but if we have to have one almost half the field doesn't need to be part of it.
Yep, 10 max on points, no win and you’re in.
Joey posting that picture says it all to me. He should have never been in the top four, but the Monopoly of it!!! (#Nascar)
I personally think the amount of points for winning should be so high that it's mathematically impossible to win the Cup without wins unless all the winners run part time and some guy top 5 and 10s his way which would never happen.
When 3 crash 22 at Richmond it lit a fuse in the 22.