Whenever i see a tesla at car shows i always ask the owner " wait what kind of car is that?" they look baffled and say "uh its a Tesla?" i usually respond with "cool, never heard of it. Let me guess V6?" They all always look like i broke them. "dude its electric" finally i retort "Why would you want that?" LOL i troll the teslas.
So you agree with these experts, is what you're saying? I heard one of them even has VR. It's almost more real than real life I've heard. So he'd know better than anyone.
@@ThatDudeinBlue Did you see the Midnight Purple II R34 that sold for 310k on BaT? I don't car how good these were in 1999, they were never a $300k+ driving experience.
@@Gearbhall But that car has a very specific reason for selling at that price, sure, they aren't worth that money but that specific car has a very specific case.
The thing is tho, i'm old enough to remember a time when those cars were actually affordable. Most of them in the 10-15-20k range. Well, the R34 GT-R was always pricier than the others. I don't understand the obsession. Like David said in the video, nice driving sports cars from the 90's, but nothing that special.
I feel like most cars that are “overrated” is because of the fan base/ community. I love the hellcat but I hate the toxic mopar community. Same goes with a few other cars.
@Boofing Pressies electronically yes, our cars are terrible but what else can be expected from a US Mercedes. Otherwise our drivetrain is pretty solid, same with our engines when you delete MDS.
@@jon_eliz99 As apposed to Chevy and Ford, who have extremely fast straight line cars that can actually take a corner. But if you like something that can only go fast in a straight line, I can’t fault you for it. It’s your opinion.
The AE86 should be top of the list im dissapointed litereally a piece of shit sells for 30 40 grand like wtf is people doing ooooOoOOoh cAr fRoM iNITiAL D tOuGe
@Steven g hahahaha that's literally bad ass dude next time you should buy a speaker and play some sick two-step crackle sounds, I bet they'd be trolled immediatley
But lifted trucks (depending HOW its lifted) can still be useful tho....like a mild lift and tire will still retain towing and adds more offroad capability
@@dono2926 because most people who actually go to meets have an understanding of what living with cars is like people who scream online usually dont even have a licence let alone the funds to pay and maintain a sports/niche car except for 4x4 owners, they all shit on each other for god knows why and to an extent muscle guys. most euro fans and not $1k shitbox jdm owners are usually pretty excepting of others taste
@@RogueCowTurd *accepting not excepting you are using it wrong just an fyi when someone “accepts” something or when someone is accepting” they approve of it “excepting” is the same thing as “except” or everything else But what your talking about
My 20 year old nephew: “The Fast & Furious movies are stupid and they suck”. The same 20 year old nephew: “My two dream cars are the R34 & the Mach 4 Supra”. And that’s not a typo, he insists it’s pronounced “mach” not “mark”. Me: 🤦♂️
@@cj09beira I agree with you. My nephew does not. Hates every Fast & Furious movie. Refuses to watch any of them. Plus he thinks the Daniel Craig Bond movies are “too over the top”. Let’s see, Sean Connery flying in a jet pack; Roger Moore fighting in space, escaping in a horse trailer jet, escaping in a boat disguised as an iceberg, having a Lotus that turns into a submarine; Timothy Dalton standing a tanker truck up on its left wheels to dodge an RPG; Pierce Brosnan having an invisible Aston Martin. Yeah, the new Bond movies are sooo over the top 🙄.
I had a mkiv Jetta with the 2.slow and a friend of mine had a 1.8t gli. His car was pretty nice but he sunk a lot of money into it lol. I did on mine as well because of the damn oil leaks and check engine light. I eventually sold it and bought a 98 civic... I never looked back lol.
David: It took High Power Lambos and Big Turbo GTRs to beat the supra Me: tell that to the dude who got sent to gapple bees by a Evo X with one of his passengers hanging a sign out saying "sell it"
@@afilleduptaco yeah...I KNOW....lol we built one to 600whp on a heartbreaker dyno.....on E85 using the cheapest ebay parts we could find. the turbo was some janky chinese BS that cost $340.....the whole catless exhaust cost $141. The only high dollar parts on that car were the $3500 coil overs. that car was FAST!!! sounded like it was about to implode the motor but the ones making the most HP always do...lol I wouldnt mind owning that car, but I lost track of it over the last 10-12 years. some kiddie boi probably totaled it out.....
Basically most jdm classics are overrated now. Coming from someone who dreams to have one of these cars, the prices are ridiculously high when compared to modern and better performing cars. Nostalgia is way too expensive.
12:22 that’s why I like Subaru, I’m not into heavily modified cars personally. They are not a perfect car company in terms of build quality that’s for sure, but I enjoy them.
Lol exactly , some of these mfs don't have a pot to piss in ,owe thousands in child support but still get a $60k+ car. Makes me think that dodge really approves anyone for financing
@@coolman72891 - Of course they do. They don’t care if people can truly afford the car. All they care about is all the interest they are going to make off people who can least afford it.
@@TheRyndiculous I highly doubt Chrysler gave you a loan with zero credit. 620-640 and you've got a good job etc sure. Manufacturer loans are scrutinized way more harshly than a bank loan and definitely don't give high risk loans.
Kinda thought I'd see the Miata on here...after finally buying into the hype everyone has for them myself, it kinda isn't anything special. Had my NB for a little over a year now and 20k miles later, most of those miles being on backroads ripping around with my friends, I dont really think miata is always the answer. Although, that might just be my experience with the community since a lot of people tell me I dont have a real miata "because I dont have popups" or "its not turbo charged/engine swapped" and my favorite "why isnt it slammed." Makes me really want to sell the car and just put that money back into rebuilding my integra
I had an nb2 for a year with better suspension parts and it was great but the car was falling apart on me so i bought a c5 corvette which has been better but also has a 3rd the miles. The miata community was unreal. I went to a meet at a race track and hung out there with a few guys until 2am.
@@jordinhocharles You’re right they don’t know shit about cars. My one friend called me a fake car guy and proceeded to say he wants “a car with a V9 engine like cars from fast and furious” (He meant a 9 cylinder engine 😬).
I can get with Maserati it's absolutely trash compare older Maserati Land Rover bcs now become a car for rich and not like how it started For Bentley they just boring I guess.
I love people who judge hella cars and never drove any of them or never bothered to own one because they listen to the internet. P.s awesome video dude
I think when everyone is talking about JDM cars they’re talking about the hardcore Instagram/tiktok idiots who don’t know s*it about cars at all and if it isn’t JDM they immediately go for the stupid outdated stereotypes to try to prove a point that they can’t make with facts
Half the people who gas up the Supra and Skyline are the guys who don't own a car, and guys who've never worked on a car in their life. They're so delusional that they gotta defend a machine to the death lol.
I just want a 1980s MR2 as a daily. I know the shortcomings of the car and that there may be way better buys for the money, but I just like how it looks and have accepted that it is flawed. I hate to be grouped with the 12 year old mk4 Supra and R34 fanboys (although the cars are respectable in their own right) that go “hurrr my stock Supra just needs a single RGB light strip to beat a Lamborghini huracan😈😈”
What most of them don’t understand is that it’s the engines that made them great for the time. They are great at certain things. Often these kids don’t know the first thing about why those cars were great and only help to inflate prices for those that actually want to buy them. I’ll stick with my Aristo hahaha.
Yes, here in my country there are a plenty of idiots trying to sell a golf/jetta mk1 or mk2 or even Mk3 and 4, at the price of a used mk5 or at the exaggerated price of almost a brand new mk7 Jetta, saying that "it's a classic" or "almost an Audi" and they think they drive an Audi with their mk6 Jettas and Chinese BBS wheels
Maybe a ‘cars that deserve more hype’ video next? My first pick would he the Noble M600, a very underrated supercar imo. 650hp, lightweight by modern standards, manual gearbox, and no ABS, it supposedly offers a visceral driving experience rare in newer cars (never driven one so idk for certain lmao). Maybe not the best looking thing out there but I imagine it’d be a blast to drive Edit: 6:02 ‘puts the “ICK” in “Buick’ 😂😂
I don’t see a lot of people talk about Infiniti Q50s but those things are pretty damn cool. Kia Stingers as well. Had one embarrass my little 5.7 Challenger on the expressway and The owner was super chill
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@Seat arosa fan boy but I’m saying that it is because most people either pick the Hakosuka-R32 or R34-35, in fact, I have never seen one in a NFS game, and the worst part is that everyone’s keep calling it a boat, and yet it’s the smallest one, and the 34 weighs more.
Being a vw owner, I completely agree with the statement, they really don't feel like the same cars now and I think the mk4 was the last generation were they felt like a vw. Its really annoying when people in the community like vw like there the only car that matters. I'm gonna be honest here, vw are a pain in the ass some times and there are much better platforms out there for sure, that don't smell like a crayon factory
I hate em but love em. Just picked up a 2.0 wagon, would have gotttem a 1.8 or vr6 but it was the only wagon for sale state wide. Though it sucks the timing belt snapped and bent the valves. Got a bug 2.0 head to slap on it though. Though mk4s I’ve noticed in the last few years drastically disappeared and fast, used to see them like civics everywhere like 4 years ago Wnen I had my vr6. Cant hardly find but like 6 mk4s in total for same in a 200 mile radius. All the ones I find are 2 states over. And they just aren’t on the road anymore.
Ive owned Baltic green 1.8, a space grey gli vr6 6 speed, a mk6 2.5 and now the 03 wagon 2.0. I’m definitely finding a totaled mk4 1.8 manual to swap into the wagon though
@@NaruSanavai facts the younger generation will always think its hating if we state our opinion and thinking we can't afford them you can basically afford anything with good credit if you want whatever but you think everyone going to spend money especially if you want a house in reality I'm a car enthusiast just like the next guy but people take things to heart though and need to realize we're just stating hating
Back when I had my FBO E55 AMG and Tesla guys would mouth off I’d challenge them to a race. They of course agree and laugh until I told them my rules were doing a 120 roll. I never lost btw. And just to clarify I don’t hate Tesla’s either a friend let me borrow his P80D and it was great. Just hate the fanboys.
@@spoofsports Challenging to a race, then setting the rules to be in your favor only after they agree to race, give them no chance.......good job, champion of the year this one. You might as well have punched a baby in the face and taken its candy. Teslas are markets to their strong suit, 0-60. 0-60 is the metric most car buyers pay attention to the most. Most people, even car people, don't care about the 60-120mph time or 120-xxxmph time because they almost never use that if ever.
Recently picked up an STi...yup...agree with all of the comments. It's not THAT fast, but it is crazy fun, handles well, can fit all the kids, and it's AWD for the winters. It's the great compromise.
Whoever submitted “Supercar legends and any JDM due to their stupid fan base” is A: clearly jealous of those because they can’t afford the supercars, and B: hates the JDM because they have a Chevy badge tramp-stamp tattoo, a Calvin pissing on a Ford badge tattooed on one of their buttcheeks and clearly doesn’t have many branches in their family tree. Did I go too far?
Tbh, I don't think he was too off-base with the JDM comment, and this is coming from a JDM fanboy. The way I interpreted the comment was him saying that a lot of JDM cars, just by virtue of being older JDM cars, have this unrealistic, idiotic in fact, value associated with them to the point where you have people asking for $20k+ for a near 40 year old Corolla that is likely beat to shit and was someone's failed project car, and people willing to pay that. Same applies to the various generations of 240SX, Eclipses for a period of time, etc, though obviously to a lesser degree than the AE86 like I alluded to earlier.
@@danmyers9372 Actually he was spot on, JDM fanboys have over hyped the overall JDM market so that some people think piles of shit are good good and you end up with a lot of dumb ass with the "I know what I've got" idea.
absolutely nailed Subaru, unless you have the backing of a major shop or just tons of money to throw away Subaru is not your horsepower chasing choice. Or I suppose you do a swap. They are great for minor upgrades and just drive and enjoy the rumble.
Tell me about it. Never buy one at 100kmiles. I learned that the hard way this year with my 06 sti. New short block, turbo, injectors, sensors, struts, steering rack, etc. 15k later and all my OT pay and I have no savings account. Be smart and buy a newer Infiniti G37
@@blackfacegaming191 I respect those cars but it's not my cup of tea all of a sudden subbies and Evo have alot of hype but especially subbies they aren't reliable and the problem is in my area people who have them think nothing is better than a subbie It's bogus because they are plenty of cars I can name that are better just over the years I feel like subbies are the new Hondas after 2013 that's when the trend started people who had their favorite car brands than all of a sudden dissing them just because of them having an STI
Tbh the c5 was really good for the money until they went up in price, now I feel like its a lot less so, the c6 though is still worth what they go for.
I actually find people who diss and make fun of supras, skylines, etc. and those cars's "fanboys" (for example memes like "EvERy12YeArOLd" ) as cringe as those fanboys.
Fr. Tbh I enjoy the appearance of an R34 and Mk4 Supra very much. Yes they are overhyped but I love what they represent, look like, and stand for yk? I hate when people punish you with the name of fan boy for appreciating a car lmao. If I were to have a GTR tho I’d take a R33 V spec and lower it ahaha im the odd ball but I love difference
blind hate is as bad as blind love, though i will say the 32,33 and 34 gtrs all have racing pedigree while the supra just has its engine really. i dont think either car is worth the money theyre being sold for but at least the gtr line has actual decent racing history behind it. the supra chassis is garbage, and it wasnt even the fastest straight line car toyota was producing from factory, the sw20 mr2 was faster note: my dad bought a supra because he was a little bit envious when i bought my s15 haha
@@RogueCowTurd well it depends on which generation of supra you are referring to. The a70 was the first car in 7/8s in the quarter mile in the world or at least for a Japanese car, the A80 has secured 27 JGTC wins and previously held the record of first import into the 5s in the quarter mile while the A90 has 5/6 wins in super gt including both gt300 and gt500 class. Additionally multiple formula d cars and time attacks cars are based on supras. So I would say there's no shortage of Motorsport pedigree but maybe not as much as skylines.
@@team_tuner88 I'm talking about the mkiv? The one featured in the video, the one that people overrate? Thought that was pretty obvious given the context sure they're in drags a bit but outside the US drag racing is pretty niche. And they are not at all abundant in time attack lol. they're a heavy gt car and there's no getting around that fact, for every supra you see putting down a lap you'll see 20 Evo's, 20 Honda's, 15 s chassis, 5 lotus and the odd supercar. Also there's only a handful of supras in formula D, and even less in grass roots
"The culture is open for everyone! You can like whatever you want!" *starts sending death threats to kids who says he likes a Supra more than any car in the world*
@@snapchatsnacks3154 they also "know"that labos are unreliable and can't handle 100bhp I think there is a discussion on one of them 1000bhp spura vs Lamborghini compilations
Honestly, this is all quite reasonable, and I love R34s. Skyline fanboys and Skyline owners has been some of the most unpleasant people I’ve met in the community
Subie owner here, and I don’t care at all what others think. I love my WRX. To be clear though, I don’t think it’s anywhere near the fastest car around.
I was confused about it, lol. I've never heard anyone say they have engines that are great for making power, so it was weird to see someone trying to diss that.
Yeah over the past almost 9 years subbies been overrated they are basically the new civics I see one on the road everyday like the si and subbies engines are not even that good people complain about them all the time while they mod everything else up
@@burtonboarder503 A friend did just that and it was a very entertaining and surprisingly reliable car and after a set of KW's and some wheels/tires, it handled shockingly well....the terminal understeer didnt rear its ugly head until ridiculous speed
14:26 never buy a brz/86 to go on a straight line. I love that platform in its drive feel, the fact that I can rev it out, the car and driver connection and many more. I can go on an on. I personally love that platform. Yes its slow as hell. But you don't really need so much power on the road especially because laws and stuff are super strict where I live
Huge "VW only" guy here and I just want to explain my take on why I've developed such an affinity for them over the years and why now VW is my first choice. Basically after years of owning dozens of cars of various makes and models, I would buy something like a Honda Civic or Subaru and realize the daily driving experience was not what I wanted in terms of driving comfort and build quality. Then I would buy something nicer as a daily driver and realize it was boring and dull. I was stuck in that cycle of compromises and never being satisfied until I ended up getting a MK4 Jetta GLI, which was in my price range of what I usually spent on cars. I realized almost immediately it was the perfect balance of what I was looking for all along. Nothing up to that point felt as solid and quality yet fun and engaging in that price range up to that point. I was finally satisfied. Well, a few years down the road when it was time to upgrade I looked at newer cars and went through the same thing again of trying to find the right balance and landed on a MK5 GTI. Which again, I realized was ALSO the perfect balance. Where fun sport cars would compromise on comfort and quality and others sacrificed any sort of enjoyment for comfort and quality, Volkswagen always seemed to be a perfect balance right in the middle for it's price range. They kind of do it all. Now I have a MK6 GTI and every car I've tried in it's price range and category just doesn't compare in my eyes.
I am a mix of cars I enjoy and have owned. 1988 Scirocco twin cam engine. 1983 Audi 5000 Turbo. 1994 Corrado G60, Factory supercharged car. 1996 Audi S8 tuned. 2001 Audi S4 B5 Avant. Unfortunately I do not have any of those cars anymore. I switched to BMW for auto cross. 1986 E34 with a M54 engine, Dinan Supercharged, KW Club Sport Evo Suspension, M5 brakes, ARE intake, Remus Stainless exhaust. 2000 E39 Wagon. Started out as a 5.25I with the factory 5 speed swapped to a 6 speed ZF from a M5, M85 Engine, Ohlins suspension, BBS 3 piece rims, Tomei Titanium exhaust.
Get a 2013 Mustang GT for the same price as a BRZ... That's exactly what My Dad did lol. And he had put the $100.00 build order in on the BRZ too. It was still more worth his money to just walk away and get the Mustang GT Premium. Also since he is a keep is mostly factory so that it's not super unreliable kind of guy, Ford Racing Parts, which keep the vehicle warranty if their installed at a Ford Racing Dealership, are a great way to get him to modify the car just that little bit. And the thing is a blast to drive too. We took it on some mountain roads in Pocahontas West Virginia and the thing was carving up the mountains in 3rd and 4th. Even did a hill climb on Snow Shoe Road. Taking the Three Consecutive Hairpins in 2nd up near the top of the mountain was so much fun.
I agree with the premise that STI's make very little power per dollar, BUT up until 2010 when the Camaro SS came out, it was lighter than American v8's and had more power plus they were all wheel drive. for many years they were fantastic cars that were better than cars that where up to 20 grand more. The problem is that Subaru is a small company and stopped improving the STI after 2007 and tuning has advanced and we've discovered many new and better platforms for power.
Correction: "but, after the Camaro/Trans Am died in 2002, and ignoring the Cobra/Mach One, until the Camaro SS came out in 2010 the STI made more-ish power than American V8s"... Seriously, the STI spent that whole time at around 270-290 HP, while the Mustang GT went from 260 to 300, and the Charger R/T brought 340. The old Camaro Z28/Ws6 Trans Am had 315. All of those RWD V8s were slower 0-60, but they had higher trap speeds at the quarter mile, and posted similar times.
When I bought my FR-S, I expected all of my friends who build cars to laugh me out of state. Real surprised when all of them just kind of shrugged and said "It's a cool little car. Not gonna outpace anyone, but it's like a Wal-Mart Miata, which isn't bad."
Get any car you want the car culture F up everything about people's opinions back in the 90s early 2000s you xan mod or hook up anything even Saturn's did now uou have to be in the in crowd to be cool it's better to ve duffrent then the same boring build
RE: Bugatti comment I feel it was a W16 not necessarily for being fast, but to make it smooth enough to drive on a daily basis. It's not always how much power you make, but HOW the power is delivered.
@@afilleduptaco yeah, horsepower is important but it’s not everything. That’s why the Ariel Atom beats everything with only 3xx HP (power = weight ratio & a high revving small engine) but is so unconfortable to daily, and why Mercedes S65 AMG Coupes are so nice to drive (6 lt V12 but it has a loooong rpm range and a smooth torque curve).
I love how you touched up on the VW segment with people’s fascination of the 1.8t. People in the community act like it’s an engine sent from Valhalla and swears by it. If you mention any other engine in the forums then you’ll just get talked down upon. Granted you can make big power on the thing but being versatile is key to keeping character.
The skyline is an amazing car but my dads olds Nissan Sentra reminded me a lot of it so that’s why I guess I never really found them appealing haha. Great video anyways man cool seeing everyone opinions.
The Supra is incredibly over rated. We’ve all seen those videos of “IS THAT A SUPRA” or it beating a lambo or Bugatti or something but all in all they have to be heavily modified to beat those cars. Stock they aren’t that quick. Supra’s are only good cars modified
It had more to do with the cost per performance. For the cost of said lambo or supercar named, the ammout of money it would cost to acheive that level of performance would be very high. Compare that to just modifying a car to achieve somewhat that level is seen as more approachable.
@@One_LuvZthats very true. Couldn’t agree more. A brand new Lamborghini is $210,000+ depending on the model, where $20,000 or so and some work can build a car faster than a lambo or said super cars
Skyline gtr to the rest of the world : that’s a nice skyline Skyline gtr in America : OH MY GOD ITS A SKYLINE GTR So basically the world reacts to a skyline gtr how we react to the r35 gtr
I gotta disagree- I think people dismiss them period. Not because they are “cool” When you drive a well suited Miata with suspension and tires almost nothing comes close to the driver feel at that price on a road course/curvy road.
why arent they cool exactly? theyre front engine, rear wheel drive that comes in manual, weigh next to fuck all, heaps of aftermarket support and plenty of room under the bay for swaps if you want to go that route. they out handle modern cars way above their price range, convertible or you can throw a hard top on them and treat them as a coupe. other than the mantra of "hur dur, small car = gurl car" whats so uncool about them?
@@ThatDudeinBlue I guess my experience is just based off the stock Miatas. In my opinion they just aren’t a very attractive car. Very feminine looking. Very slow, terrible sounding (no matter the exhaust you put on).
Lol. I own a Tesla. Stupid fast in a straight line but boring AF if you like noise, or cornering, or manual transmission. While its great for commute, it's not going to be a thrill to drive.
One of my favourite TH-camrs said about the Supra that: "the only good thing about the car, is the fucking engine". This is why I love the new one. The engine is really good, but it god a lot more merits than just an indestructible engine
They say the A90s chassis is stiffer than the LFAs. And that's pretty impressive considering the time, money and effort Toyota put into building the LFA. Also considering the price gap between the 2 lol.
I just love the r34 skyline cuz it was my favorite car growing up in Japan. I fell in love with mustangs later when I moved back to the States and got my first car. I still want a r34 but even here in japan, they can be kinda expensive but not at those outlandish hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Counterpoint: I think the FR-S platform is actually underrated, cuz you can't go into a single video talking about either of the cars that spawned from that platform without a dozen people talking about "muh horsepower in a straight line." It's become the "American muscle can't handle" type of argument. It's take that lacks any kind of nuance. Also, I do agree with the one dude talking about JDM cars. I say this as a JDM and Initial D fanboy, it's outrageous to see people charging $20k+ for a near 40 year old Corolla, and this extends out to other cars like the S13s, Eclipses for a period of time (idk how they do on the used market lately), etc. His other takes were garbage though.
I briefly owned a 2005 Passat 1.8T (ok, not an "enthusiast" car but point remains) and I can safely say while I enjoyed driving it... that's it. Ownership was a nightmare; that car would not stay fixed for more than a week before _something_ fell apart or stopped working.
Being a fan of the VAG and owner of an 8p 2.0t A3 S-line, I have always liked VW, Audi,Porsche. There are formula's for these cars but unless you Have $$ making a drag car is not what they do! But all arounders they can be! There is a huge range of performance parts you can build a good fun realistic car! My brothers MK7 w/ is38 at 370hp 400tq can beat most cars he rolls against. The EA888 motor is a good one, and the DSG is reliable. Just know their quirks!
@@AliceC993 the last Volkswagen I had was a 1996 1.6 vw polo classic 6kv. Had the motor done and bored out to a 2.1l abf motor and it pulled on the mk7 GTIs with ease and was pretty reliable too. I don't know where they went wrong, I used to love Volkswagens
I absolutely agree that a well built KA24DET is better than an SR20. 100% of the people I've known with SR20DETs have blown them up, built or stock. I bought my S13 in 2004 and sold it in 2018. I now have an R32 GTR that's a year older than my old S13. On that note, I'd rather have an RB20 from a GTS-T in an S13 than an SR20 by far!
The Nissan r32 blows the doors off of the vw r32. They arent even in the same league . I’m in both clubs Nissan and vw mk4 owner and I love both r32s but the vw doesn’t even compare on track. Skyline wasnt deemed Godzilla for no reason. And the vwr32 was never banned for being too fast
As an Subaru STI owner, I agree that it's definitely not the platform you should dive into if you solely want straight line performance. Unless you got money to blow. The STI transmission is very good and can hold 800+whp all day. But these cars can be extremely fun to drive in the twisty mountain roads or the canyons. The AWD gives you so much confidence in the corners. But I agree that a stock STI is slow in today's world of crazy horsepower vehicles.
Why isn’t the E46 M3 on here? I’ve been in a couple they go round corners pretty well but have no power unless you drive the wheels off the thing, the interior is pretty bland and when you drive it on rough-ish roads it’s like being inside a paint shaker
Because the driving experience and intake sound makes up for the bland interior. Btw, the ride is actully fine, if you keep it stock. The problem is that people often buy hugely expensive coilovers and don't bother fine tunning them.
Yeah it literally runs very low 7s on the Nurburgring. It’s one of the best handling cars in the world and it’s easily the best performance bargain of this century. Crazy how cheap the car is for the performance. And it’s a nice car to daily and live with as well
You have never driven a hovercraft then or even seen one drive, lol. That is a horrid comparison. Just stick with the old stand by of "like a go kart" or "its on rails".
I was in the same boat as you with the VW scene…until my first car ended up being a 2003 1.8t Passat wagon. There is A TON of aftermarket support and community surrounding those cars and often times it’s people working with what they have available, like myself. The relation to Audi is also very nice, as it offers many bolt on upgrades and options. Are there better platforms? Yes. But are post 2000s VWs still fun? Absolutely.
Before the tuners got their hands on Supras, they were performing above and beyond the standards of the era. It was a superior product that became overpriced. Tuners' opinion doesn't matter because tuners didn't buy them and keep them in production.
Did you see the Midnight Purple II R34 GTR that sold for 310k on BaT? LMAO! I don't care how good these were in 1999, the Supra nor the Skyline were never a $300k+ driving experience. I'm old enough to remember a time when those cars were actually affordable. Most of them in the 10-15-20k range. Well, the R34 GT-R was always pricier than the others. I still don't understand the obsession. Like stated in this video, nice driving sports cars from the 90's, but nothing that special. I don’t even hate the cars. I’ve just seen enough Memes and Fanboys to know that the entire car community is very aware of how not special they really are. Again Cool Cars, nonetheless, but yeah this ain’t the 90s any more and without the Fast Franchise, half the fans might not even care about them.
@@philithegamer8265 $140,000 is enough to acquire a brand new GTR from England. Or a brand new SLC Ultralite from Detroit and be a little slower than a damn Indy car!!!! Whose spending that kinda of money without research?
@@jemand4656 Brainwashed JDM Fanboys are. For instance Doug Demuro here is completely buying to the Supra hype. th-cam.com/video/cwKAS9vQq90/w-d-xo.html&lc=UgwFLGW9dtpqUuhoaMd4AaABAg
As a former turbocharged Subaru owner I still have nightmares. It was used with 50k miles when I bought it, still completely stock and somehow the engine block cracked, the turbo blew up, and I had to replace 2 axles in 1 year of ownership even though I maintained it properly. I never raced it, and I primarily used it to take my daughter to school and drive to work. Never lost so much money on a car in such a short time without modding anything
My hyundai veloster was a 💰 pit and I'm always telling subbie owners if you guys enjoy waiting slot of money on parts and maintenance but they don't care it's a trend I would never spend my money on a subbie I'd rather have a honda or toyota without a turbo that pulls
My 500hp 04 WRX was the most fun car I have ever driven. Properly sized turbo + top end work= almost zero lag. I was hitting 24psi at under 3.8k and full power at 4.4k that held all the way to redline. I did end up blowing a hole in the engine block though so...
Mk4 Supra was an amazing platform, they deserve the hype it make sense,growing up watching Supra’s in street racing gapping everything but I feel like it is overhyped by kids lol
Ive owned my MKIV Supra TT 6 Speed for 12 years. Its still like nothing else to drive. I absolutely still love the car and will never sell mine. A lot of people might think they are overrated these days, maybe compared to modern cars ya, but for the era they came from, they are awesome.
I'm someone from the VW scene. I love the scene because it ranges from modified, to restorated oldtimers. There is a little bit for everybody. As a daily driver, it's definitely not an exciting car to drive like a sports car. But it sure as hell is a very comfortable and reliable experience. Ideal if you just need a car to commute or go on a long trip with. You can buy a fun car aside from a modern VW anyway
as a guy who’s only owned post 2000’s vw’/audi’s (1999 to 2005) the 1.8t is just a fun engine, with minimal modification you can put down 240-260hp in a 2800lb hatch or sedan and it’s really just a blast. i personally enjoy the styling of this era in VW/Audi, especially the B5/MK4 platforms. it’s mainly about the culture. it’s a very laid back community from what i’ve seen from the VW guys who own these cars. the B5 S4 community is a different story😂. but as of now i have a 2.7t swapped b6 s4 and the interior holds up beautifully, and the styling i do really enjoy with the wider angrier flares and front end (yes i know the rear is a hot take but i enjoy it) and the Quattro system paired with the OA3 transmission snd the 2.7t is just a riot. With a stage 2 tune you break 300’s and with ko4’s you sit comfortably at mid to high 400’s depending on fuel choice. its something to experience in all of it’s facets, more than just the vehicle. going to a massive meet for the first time and seeing all of these swapped and built early 2000’s VW’s and Audi’s and all of the owners being down to earth and willing to talk and share what they know just made me feel accepted even before i had gotten into it. everyone has their opinions though i and i do respect them. have a good day y’all🤟🏼
"tRuSt mE i'M aN eXpErT"
We need more of these videos
Jimmy Oakes can do MANY good things with the KA-Ts
Next video: cars that should deserve to be hyped?
Wait you have 2 s13's?
You’re more of an expert than most people. Because you’re honest, humble and you spout your opinion as opinion, not as fact.
Whenever i see a tesla at car shows i always ask the owner " wait what kind of car is that?" they look baffled and say "uh its a Tesla?" i usually respond with "cool, never heard of it. Let me guess V6?" They all always look like i broke them. "dude its electric" finally i retort "Why would you want that?" LOL i troll the teslas.
You are the hero we need!
@Cool Dude no wonder the community is so toxic
“Ah yeah! Strip-mined conflict minerals, right? Did you know this state gets most of its electricity from coal?”
v8 tesla and there from the soviet union ;)
A douche bag we don't need in the community.
I feel like these tweets are from people that have only driven a car virtually…on Forza
I get that same feeling lol. It's either salty older dudes that can't afford the cars. Or salty younger dudes that are a bit ignorant.
So you agree with these experts, is what you're saying? I heard one of them even has VR. It's almost more real than real life I've heard. So he'd know better than anyone.
“What are the most overrated cars in car culture and why?”
*Entire Car Community staring at Mark IV Supra and R34 Skyline Fans*
I literally lol'd
Literally lmao
@@ThatDudeinBlue Did you see the Midnight Purple II R34 that sold for 310k on BaT? I don't car how good these were in 1999, they were never a $300k+ driving experience.
@@Gearbhall But that car has a very specific reason for selling at that price, sure, they aren't worth that money but that specific car has a very specific case.
The thing is tho, i'm old enough to remember a time when those cars were actually affordable. Most of them in the 10-15-20k range. Well, the R34 GT-R was always pricier than the others. I don't understand the obsession. Like David said in the video, nice driving sports cars from the 90's, but nothing that special.
I feel like most cars that are “overrated” is because of the fan base/ community. I love the hellcat but I hate the toxic mopar community. Same goes with a few other cars.
At the end if the day the people who talk trash in the car community online don't even own any of these cars.
I can relate to those people lmao
@Boofing Pressies electronically yes, our cars are terrible but what else can be expected from a US Mercedes. Otherwise our drivetrain is pretty solid, same with our engines when you delete MDS.
A hellcat is factually a stupid car.
@Boofing Pressies Because it has a stupid amount of power with little done to the suspension/handling, that’s why
@@jon_eliz99 As apposed to Chevy and Ford, who have extremely fast straight line cars that can actually take a corner. But if you like something that can only go fast in a straight line, I can’t fault you for it. It’s your opinion.
David: *Puts an R34 and MK4 on the thumbnail*
JDM Fans: *So you have chosen DEATH*
There’s no other fan base as annoying than the ones of those two cars in particular. It’s sad because I own both and completely loath the fan boys
@@KeenanStyles based on driving experience, do you think they're overrated or whats your take? Really interested to know :D
The AE86 should be top of the list im dissapointed litereally a piece of shit sells for 30 40 grand like wtf is people doing
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@ its the truth buddy
@@salamov963 well I’m sorry, but the 86 is a gem, and I’m guessing you’re one of those ‘Regular Retard Reviews’ fans
Some people say that the Miata is overrated…
*I say the lifted trucks are overrated*
Miata is always the answer 😎
Miatas are overrated. Very overrated in fact, but they still are amazing cars :D
@Steven g don't worry whistlindiesel got it covered lol
@Steven g hahahaha that's literally bad ass dude next time you should buy a speaker and play some sick two-step crackle sounds, I bet they'd be trolled immediatley
But lifted trucks (depending HOW its lifted) can still be useful tho....like a mild lift and tire will still retain towing and adds more offroad capability
"Car culture" legit one of the most judgemental communities I've seen.
When you go to a car meet everyone is chill. I see a car with crazy camber and it gets no heat
I pull up and get clowned on xD
@muhammad altaf agreed, I only see hate online.
@@dono2926 because most people who actually go to meets have an understanding of what living with cars is like
people who scream online usually dont even have a licence let alone the funds to pay and maintain a sports/niche car
except for 4x4 owners, they all shit on each other for god knows why and to an extent muscle guys. most euro fans and not $1k shitbox jdm owners are usually pretty excepting of others taste
@@RogueCowTurd *accepting not excepting you are using it wrong just an fyi when someone “accepts” something or when someone is accepting” they approve of it “excepting” is the same thing as “except” or everything else But what your talking about
My 20 year old nephew: “The Fast & Furious movies are stupid and they suck”.
The same 20 year old nephew: “My two dream cars are the R34 & the Mach 4 Supra”. And that’s not a typo, he insists it’s pronounced “mach” not “mark”.
Me: 🤦♂️
Lmaooooo
there is a very good chance that first statement is more about the other movies after the first few than the first that got the supra /r34 famous
@@cj09beira I agree with you. My nephew does not. Hates every Fast & Furious movie. Refuses to watch any of them. Plus he thinks the Daniel Craig Bond movies are “too over the top”. Let’s see, Sean Connery flying in a jet pack; Roger Moore fighting in space, escaping in a horse trailer jet, escaping in a boat disguised as an iceberg, having a Lotus that turns into a submarine; Timothy Dalton standing a tanker truck up on its left wheels to dodge an RPG; Pierce Brosnan having an invisible Aston Martin. Yeah, the new Bond movies are sooo over the top 🙄.
I mean to be fair most of the fast and the furious movies do suck
whats wrong with having a dream car?
“Enthusiast about a 1.8t Jetta”
I take that as a personal attack.
I know right. How is it any different than someone being enthused by an early 90’s Civic DX?
same bro i love my little 1.8 jetta
@@devenkrietemeyer8319 those cars are weakk 😭
jk.
They’re solid, though I will say after mk6 it got bland. Still want a golf r though
I had a mkiv Jetta with the 2.slow and a friend of mine had a 1.8t gli. His car was pretty nice but he sunk a lot of money into it lol. I did on mine as well because of the damn oil leaks and check engine light. I eventually sold it and bought a 98 civic... I never looked back lol.
haven’t seen the video yet but preparing myself for everyone’s opinions lol
Same😂😂😂
My thoughts as soon as I clicked on it 😅
David: It took High Power Lambos and Big Turbo GTRs to beat the supra
Me: tell that to the dude who got sent to gapple bees by a Evo X with one of his passengers hanging a sign out saying "sell it"
Coming from a Subaru owner…. Evos fuck
@@ppppsssshhhh71 the beef between Evo bros and Subaru bros will never end
@@afilleduptaco you can make an EVO X faster than an STi in a weekend with $6k than you can the STi with $15k
@@ssnerd583 true. The 4G63 is a much more mod-friendly engine compared to the EJ series
@@afilleduptaco yeah...I KNOW....lol we built one to 600whp on a heartbreaker dyno.....on E85 using the cheapest ebay parts we could find. the turbo was some janky chinese BS that cost $340.....the whole catless exhaust cost $141. The only high dollar parts on that car were the $3500 coil overs. that car was FAST!!! sounded like it was about to implode the motor but the ones making the most HP always do...lol I wouldnt mind owning that car, but I lost track of it over the last 10-12 years. some kiddie boi probably totaled it out.....
You need to do a follow up video....Cars that deserve the hype like my Terminator Cobra
Like a termi cobra or a ws6 t/a
@@CAR3Y4 Exactly
Mercury Marauder
S2k
Pontiac G8
Basically most jdm classics are overrated now. Coming from someone who dreams to have one of these cars, the prices are ridiculously high when compared to modern and better performing cars. Nostalgia is way too expensive.
I try telling em the Aztek is more than just an SUV...
"It's a lifestyle you wouldn't understand"
@@ThatDudeinBlue You've got that right 😏
@@ThatDudeinBlue I'd argue the Lamborghini Urus is just a fast Pontiac Aztek with better wheels.
The same for me but with the Juke
@@Gearbhall finally someone put it into words, the urus looks ugly, and urus sounds like ugh.
12:22 that’s why I like Subaru, I’m not into heavily modified cars personally. They are not a perfect car company in terms of build quality that’s for sure, but I enjoy them.
Nobody in my family has ever owned a Subaru but I do like the idea they have of a car for light off-road driving. Kinda like the old AMC Eagles.
😱 You're objecting to people's opinions.
So brave...
So courageous...
So wreckless.
I LOVE IT ❤️ ✌️😄
Hellcats...aka," Soon to be a Mopar at the Local Copart." Or the repo lot after all the folks back-asswards in their Santander loan just quit paying
Lol exactly , some of these mfs don't have a pot to piss in ,owe thousands in child support but still get a $60k+ car. Makes me think that dodge really approves anyone for financing
@@coolman72891 - Of course they do. They don’t care if people can truly afford the car. All they care about is all the interest they are going to make off people who can least afford it.
@@coolman72891 they're definitely not getting Chrysler financial loans. Read the post again, Santander is the Fanny Mae of car loan companies.
@@Hanibul_Lecktor I mean, my very first loan on a car was from Chrysler, and I had zero credit
@@TheRyndiculous I highly doubt Chrysler gave you a loan with zero credit. 620-640 and you've got a good job etc sure. Manufacturer loans are scrutinized way more harshly than a bank loan and definitely don't give high risk loans.
P L E A S E do a part 2. There’s plenty of other cars that deserve to be on this list.
Kinda thought I'd see the Miata on here...after finally buying into the hype everyone has for them myself, it kinda isn't anything special. Had my NB for a little over a year now and 20k miles later, most of those miles being on backroads ripping around with my friends, I dont really think miata is always the answer. Although, that might just be my experience with the community since a lot of people tell me I dont have a real miata "because I dont have popups" or "its not turbo charged/engine swapped" and my favorite "why isnt it slammed." Makes me really want to sell the car and just put that money back into rebuilding my integra
Integra sounds cool
People just generally hate the NB for some reason. Enjoy the car for what it is, not what people tell you it is.
I had an nb2 for a year with better suspension parts and it was great but the car was falling apart on me so i bought a c5 corvette which has been better but also has a 3rd the miles. The miata community was unreal. I went to a meet at a race track and hung out there with a few guys until 2am.
"Why isn't it slammed?"
I felt that
@@sv_cheats1970 they ARE cool
2Js are only good for making power, that's it imo. Waaay too heavy for actual track racing lol
That's the very reason Toyota didn't use their own engine in the races lmao
Cast iron block.
There’s a reason that the 2J and the RB26 weren’t used in super GT. I6s are just super fucking heavy
Theres really nothing more to a street car supra besides numbers. I garuntee most non race car supra owners will truly use that full 1000 horsepower
Theres really nothing more to a street car supra besides numbers. I garuntee most non race car supra owners will truly use that full 1000 horsepower
I’m a JDM/muscle guy and my friends always blast me for not being interested in premium cars like Bentleys, Land Rovers, and Maseratis.
Haha as if your calling land rover a premium car maybe the range rover bit land rover are still farmers cars
Lol they think Maseratis are premium 😂😂🤣 that should let you know their opinion on cars shouldn’t matter much 😂😂
@@jordinhocharles You’re right they don’t know shit about cars. My one friend called me a fake car guy and proceeded to say he wants “a car with a V9 engine like cars from fast and furious” (He meant a 9 cylinder engine 😬).
I can get with Maserati it's absolutely trash compare older Maserati
Land Rover bcs now become a car for rich and not like how it started
For Bentley they just boring I guess.
They’re not real friends/get new friends.
everyone after this video: David where's the drift coupe?!
I love people who judge hella cars and never drove any of them or never bothered to own one because they listen to the internet.
P.s awesome video dude
Sounds like all the comments he read on this video lolol
I think when everyone is talking about JDM cars they’re talking about the hardcore Instagram/tiktok idiots who don’t know s*it about cars at all and if it isn’t JDM they immediately go for the stupid outdated stereotypes to try to prove a point that they can’t make with facts
Half the people who gas up the Supra and Skyline are the guys who don't own a car, and guys who've never worked on a car in their life. They're so delusional that they gotta defend a machine to the death lol.
@@Fumxe facts
I just want a 1980s MR2 as a daily. I know the shortcomings of the car and that there may be way better buys for the money, but I just like how it looks and have accepted that it is flawed. I hate to be grouped with the 12 year old mk4 Supra and R34 fanboys (although the cars are respectable in their own right) that go “hurrr my stock Supra just needs a single RGB light strip to beat a Lamborghini huracan😈😈”
What most of them don’t understand is that it’s the engines that made them great for the time. They are great at certain things. Often these kids don’t know the first thing about why those cars were great and only help to inflate prices for those that actually want to buy them.
I’ll stick with my Aristo hahaha.
VW’s slogan should be… “when you can’t afford an Audi”….
Toyota's should be: "When u can't afford a Lexus"
Idk bruh Volkswagen created way more history with the gti then Audi did in rally
@@PARABLLM that is CAP lmfaoooo
Yes, here in my country there are a plenty of idiots trying to sell a golf/jetta mk1 or mk2 or even Mk3 and 4, at the price of a used mk5 or at the exaggerated price of almost a brand new mk7 Jetta, saying that "it's a classic" or "almost an Audi" and they think they drive an Audi with their mk6 Jettas and Chinese BBS wheels
"...But can afford a wrench, cause you're sure gonna need it."
Maybe a ‘cars that deserve more hype’ video next?
My first pick would he the Noble M600, a very underrated supercar imo. 650hp, lightweight by modern standards, manual gearbox, and no ABS, it supposedly offers a visceral driving experience rare in newer cars (never driven one so idk for certain lmao). Maybe not the best looking thing out there but I imagine it’d be a blast to drive
Edit: 6:02 ‘puts the “ICK” in “Buick’ 😂😂
I don’t see a lot of people talk about Infiniti Q50s but those things are pretty damn cool. Kia Stingers as well. Had one embarrass my little 5.7 Challenger on the expressway and The owner was super chill
@Seat arosa fan boy but I’m saying that it is because most people either pick the Hakosuka-R32 or R34-35, in fact, I have never seen one in a NFS game, and the worst part is that everyone’s keep calling it a boat, and yet it’s the smallest one, and the 34 weighs more.
I'd say a 911 turbo s, that thinghas only 650hp and weight more than 1.5 tons but beats cars lighter and more powerful
@ the LS isn’t a car
@@afilleduptaco I know about that, I’m talking about cars that come with the LS from the factory
Being a vw owner, I completely agree with the statement, they really don't feel like the same cars now and I think the mk4 was the last generation were they felt like a vw. Its really annoying when people in the community like vw like there the only car that matters. I'm gonna be honest here, vw are a pain in the ass some times and there are much better platforms out there for sure, that don't smell like a crayon factory
I agree with your statement, but for some reasons I can’t stop, I’ve owned almost 10 now and currently have 4 and only 1 runs lol.
I hate em but love em. Just picked up a 2.0 wagon, would have gotttem a 1.8 or vr6 but it was the only wagon for sale state wide. Though it sucks the timing belt snapped and bent the valves. Got a bug 2.0 head to slap on it though. Though mk4s I’ve noticed in the last few years drastically disappeared and fast, used to see them like civics everywhere like 4 years ago Wnen I had my vr6. Cant hardly find but like 6 mk4s in total for same in a 200 mile radius. All the ones I find are 2 states over. And they just aren’t on the road anymore.
Ive owned Baltic green 1.8, a space grey gli vr6 6 speed, a mk6 2.5 and now the 03 wagon 2.0. I’m definitely finding a totaled mk4 1.8 manual to swap into the wagon though
Mk4 R32 was peak VW. The Mk7 gti is a good car as well. But they have been forced to veer away from the lightweight hot hatches of the old days.
Oh god. VW/Audi fans are the worst. They act like everything else is beneath them or doesn’t exist. got that ‘I’m better than you’ attitude
I can guarantee that almost anyone calling these cars overrated doesn't even have a license lmao.
They're calling them overrated, which is _not_ calling them bad cars. That misconception, that _confusion of reality,_ needs to go away.
@@NaruSanavai facts the younger generation will always think its hating if we state our opinion and thinking we can't afford them you can basically afford anything with good credit if you want whatever but you think everyone going to spend money especially if you want a house in reality I'm a car enthusiast just like the next guy but people take things to heart though and need to realize we're just stating hating
I can guarantee that almost anyone overhyping these cars doesnt even have a license lmao.
Still happy to have recently bought a R33 gtst manual RB25 swap, one of the few JDM icons that aren't loved by an entire western nation...
Feel like Tesla's are only fast in the quarter mile if you give him a half mile or a full mile drag I'm pretty sure they lose
true the lack of a second gear limits their top end quite a bit
I think the Plaid kind of bucks that trend with a 200mph top speed...
Back when I had my FBO E55 AMG and Tesla guys would mouth off I’d challenge them to a race. They of course agree and laugh until I told them my rules were doing a 120 roll. I never lost btw. And just to clarify I don’t hate Tesla’s either a friend let me borrow his P80D and it was great. Just hate the fanboys.
@@spoofsports The fan boys are on another level...
@@spoofsports Challenging to a race, then setting the rules to be in your favor only after they agree to race, give them no chance.......good job, champion of the year this one. You might as well have punched a baby in the face and taken its candy. Teslas are markets to their strong suit, 0-60. 0-60 is the metric most car buyers pay attention to the most. Most people, even car people, don't care about the 60-120mph time or 120-xxxmph time because they almost never use that if ever.
Recently picked up an STi...yup...agree with all of the comments. It's not THAT fast, but it is crazy fun, handles well, can fit all the kids, and it's AWD for the winters. It's the great compromise.
Whoever submitted “Supercar legends and any JDM due to their stupid fan base” is A: clearly jealous of those because they can’t afford the supercars, and B: hates the JDM because they have a Chevy badge tramp-stamp tattoo, a Calvin pissing on a Ford badge tattooed on one of their buttcheeks and clearly doesn’t have many branches in their family tree. Did I go too far?
Not far at all. Keep going. 😂🤣
Tbh, I don't think he was too off-base with the JDM comment, and this is coming from a JDM fanboy. The way I interpreted the comment was him saying that a lot of JDM cars, just by virtue of being older JDM cars, have this unrealistic, idiotic in fact, value associated with them to the point where you have people asking for $20k+ for a near 40 year old Corolla that is likely beat to shit and was someone's failed project car, and people willing to pay that. Same applies to the various generations of 240SX, Eclipses for a period of time, etc, though obviously to a lesser degree than the AE86 like I alluded to earlier.
And the 12 year old JDM fanboy has officially entered the chat.
@@danmyers9372 Actually he was spot on, JDM fanboys have over hyped the overall JDM market so that some people think piles of shit are good good and you end up with a lot of dumb ass with the "I know what I've got" idea.
@@Zankaroo when a mangled mark 4 supra wreck from 2007 sells for nearly $20 000 in 2019
absolutely nailed Subaru, unless you have the backing of a major shop or just tons of money to throw away Subaru is not your horsepower chasing choice. Or I suppose you do a swap. They are great for minor upgrades and just drive and enjoy the rumble.
Tell me about it. Never buy one at 100kmiles. I learned that the hard way this year with my 06 sti. New short block, turbo, injectors, sensors, struts, steering rack, etc. 15k later and all my OT pay and I have no savings account.
Be smart and buy a newer Infiniti G37
@@blackfacegaming191 I respect those cars but it's not my cup of tea all of a sudden subbies and Evo have alot of hype but especially subbies they aren't reliable and the problem is in my area people who have them think nothing is better than a subbie It's bogus because they are plenty of cars I can name that are better just over the years I feel like subbies are the new Hondas after 2013 that's when the trend started people who had their favorite car brands than all of a sudden dissing them just because of them having an STI
You a G for adding the time bar at the bottom of the add
Every car had its fanbase but some have actually earned their fans. Most americans are clueless as to the history and heritage of the GTRs.
Corvettes are severely underrated imo, especially the c5/c6 gen. Its soo much for for the money in 2021
C6z was the best bank for the buck until about a year ago
Tbh the c5 was really good for the money until they went up in price, now I feel like its a lot less so, the c6 though is still worth what they go for.
Only in America. Anywhere else in the world they are overpriced with limited access to parts making them expensive and unreliable.
Yeh but that is true of alot of cars in the US market. It doesn't make it bad.
@@izzy031096 here you can buy everything at the closest auto parts store and everyone knows how to work on the motors
Buick GN look awesome, but really I like any of the GBody coupes equally.
I actually find people who diss and make fun of supras, skylines, etc. and those cars's "fanboys" (for example memes like "EvERy12YeArOLd" ) as cringe as those fanboys.
Fr. Tbh I enjoy the appearance of an R34 and Mk4 Supra very much. Yes they are overhyped but I love what they represent, look like, and stand for yk? I hate when people punish you with the name of fan boy for appreciating a car lmao. If I were to have a GTR tho I’d take a R33 V spec and lower it ahaha im the odd ball but I love difference
That’s the irony, I’m not even a Supra or R34 guy, but they always refer to 12 year olds liking those cars when most of them act like man children
blind hate is as bad as blind love, though i will say the 32,33 and 34 gtrs all have racing pedigree while the supra just has its engine really. i dont think either car is worth the money theyre being sold for but at least the gtr line has actual decent racing history behind it. the supra chassis is garbage, and it wasnt even the fastest straight line car toyota was producing from factory, the sw20 mr2 was faster
note: my dad bought a supra because he was a little bit envious when i bought my s15 haha
@@RogueCowTurd well it depends on which generation of supra you are referring to. The a70 was the first car in 7/8s in the quarter mile in the world or at least for a Japanese car, the A80 has secured 27 JGTC wins and previously held the record of first import into the 5s in the quarter mile while the A90 has 5/6 wins in super gt including both gt300 and gt500 class. Additionally multiple formula d cars and time attacks cars are based on supras. So I would say there's no shortage of Motorsport pedigree but maybe not as much as skylines.
@@team_tuner88 I'm talking about the mkiv? The one featured in the video, the one that people overrate? Thought that was pretty obvious given the context
sure they're in drags a bit but outside the US drag racing is pretty niche. And they are not at all abundant in time attack lol. they're a heavy gt car and there's no getting around that fact, for every supra you see putting down a lap you'll see 20 Evo's, 20 Honda's, 15 s chassis, 5 lotus and the odd supercar.
Also there's only a handful of supras in formula D, and even less in grass roots
"The culture is open for everyone! You can like whatever you want!"
*starts sending death threats to kids who says he likes a Supra more than any car in the world*
The supra fans are the most toxic fans ever. They send death threats to people for saying anything negative about it.
@@snapchatsnacks3154 they also "know"that labos are unreliable and can't handle 100bhp I think there is a discussion on one of them 1000bhp spura vs Lamborghini compilations
I still can't find the link between 12 year old fanboys and supra prices going crazy.. but according to the internet they seem connected somehow?
Honestly, this is all quite reasonable, and I love R34s. Skyline fanboys and Skyline owners has been some of the most unpleasant people I’ve met in the community
Facts tgey think there better than everyone else and we're not even hating
Subie owner here, and I don’t care at all what others think. I love my WRX. To be clear though, I don’t think it’s anywhere near the fastest car around.
That SR20 vs KA24 argument is so 2001. It was always just a matter of ECU and tuning (mostly).
KA-ts have come a long way once standalone ecu options became affordable
If you look at the pros and cons on sr20s and ka’s, sr20s are a lot worse
@@preferreddrift6270 lol. Especially considering the SR20 can do this and the KA24 has gone quicker. th-cam.com/video/0dATYGMoHvY/w-d-xo.html
@@conradsealy9603 wdym? Ka is better for drag because of iron block
@@preferreddrift6270 if you say so. OEM cast SR20 block. Almost a decade ago. th-cam.com/video/x2Zdx2z_O6Y/w-d-xo.html
Still love R35s. I see one almost once a week and they still turn my head. I am, however, admittedly a 35 year old manchild Skyline fanboy.
Everyone’s watching this video hoping their car isn’t on the list, myself included😂😂😂
My car is an Altima its not on any list 😭
So much Sti hate lately🥲
Mine are in the thumbnail lmao but I agree with the annoying fan base comments and them being overrated
My corvette got clapped in this vid. Oof.
@@KeenanStyles sheesh you got both? Yeah some fans are weird but I would absolutely love to own either of those, I just can’t afford it😂
I was waiting for a Subaru diss. And when one showed up it was fantastic, lol.
I was confused about it, lol. I've never heard anyone say they have engines that are great for making power, so it was weird to see someone trying to diss that.
Yeah over the past almost 9 years subbies been overrated they are basically the new civics I see one on the road everyday like the si and subbies engines are not even that good people complain about them all the time while they mod everything else up
Twitter Troll: “Post 2000’s VW’s are just appliances.”
Me: Stares in MK7 GTI. 👁👄👁
loved mine when I had it, paid $19k for a year old SE, slapped a stage 2 and and downpipe. Just over $20k for a 320whp car with an excellent interior.
@@burtonboarder503 A friend did just that and it was a very entertaining and surprisingly reliable car and after a set of KW's and some wheels/tires, it handled shockingly well....the terminal understeer didnt rear its ugly head until ridiculous speed
They are so boring to look at and owned by non-car enthusiasts
@@Asher104 some of us ......>>>SOME OF US
@@Asher104 Yeah ok troll. 😅
14:26 never buy a brz/86 to go on a straight line. I love that platform in its drive feel, the fact that I can rev it out, the car and driver connection and many more. I can go on an on. I personally love that platform. Yes its slow as hell. But you don't really need so much power on the road especially because laws and stuff are super strict where I live
Buick Grand National is absolutely beautiful I'm offended by that dudes tweet
They are by far the coolest muscle car of the time
Huge "VW only" guy here and I just want to explain my take on why I've developed such an affinity for them over the years and why now VW is my first choice.
Basically after years of owning dozens of cars of various makes and models, I would buy something like a Honda Civic or Subaru and realize the daily driving experience was not what I wanted in terms of driving comfort and build quality. Then I would buy something nicer as a daily driver and realize it was boring and dull. I was stuck in that cycle of compromises and never being satisfied until I ended up getting a MK4 Jetta GLI, which was in my price range of what I usually spent on cars. I realized almost immediately it was the perfect balance of what I was looking for all along. Nothing up to that point felt as solid and quality yet fun and engaging in that price range up to that point. I was finally satisfied. Well, a few years down the road when it was time to upgrade I looked at newer cars and went through the same thing again of trying to find the right balance and landed on a MK5 GTI. Which again, I realized was ALSO the perfect balance. Where fun sport cars would compromise on comfort and quality and others sacrificed any sort of enjoyment for comfort and quality, Volkswagen always seemed to be a perfect balance right in the middle for it's price range. They kind of do it all. Now I have a MK6 GTI and every car I've tried in it's price range and category just doesn't compare in my eyes.
this is the truth & nothing but the truth! Non Vw people don't get it..
I am a mix of cars I enjoy and have owned. 1988 Scirocco twin cam engine. 1983 Audi 5000 Turbo. 1994 Corrado G60, Factory supercharged car. 1996 Audi S8 tuned. 2001 Audi S4 B5 Avant. Unfortunately I do not have any of those cars anymore. I switched to BMW for auto cross. 1986 E34 with a M54 engine, Dinan Supercharged, KW Club Sport Evo Suspension, M5 brakes, ARE intake, Remus Stainless exhaust. 2000 E39 Wagon. Started out as a 5.25I with the factory 5 speed swapped to a 6 speed ZF from a M5, M85 Engine, Ohlins suspension, BBS 3 piece rims, Tomei Titanium exhaust.
Please, more of these videos. After 6 years of watching your content this one really made me laugh in enjoyment
Get a 2013 Mustang GT for the same price as a BRZ... That's exactly what My Dad did lol. And he had put the $100.00 build order in on the BRZ too. It was still more worth his money to just walk away and get the Mustang GT Premium.
Also since he is a keep is mostly factory so that it's not super unreliable kind of guy, Ford Racing Parts, which keep the vehicle warranty if their installed at a Ford Racing Dealership, are a great way to get him to modify the car just that little bit. And the thing is a blast to drive too.
We took it on some mountain roads in Pocahontas West Virginia and the thing was carving up the mountains in 3rd and 4th. Even did a hill climb on Snow Shoe Road. Taking the Three Consecutive Hairpins in 2nd up near the top of the mountain was so much fun.
Hellcats, yes they have power but they are way to heavy.
They weigh less than a C63, but no one ever whines about Mercs
I agree with the premise that STI's make very little power per dollar, BUT up until 2010 when the Camaro SS came out, it was lighter than American v8's and had more power plus they were all wheel drive. for many years they were fantastic cars that were better than cars that where up to 20 grand more. The problem is that Subaru is a small company and stopped improving the STI after 2007 and tuning has advanced and we've discovered many new and better platforms for power.
Correction: "but, after the Camaro/Trans Am died in 2002, and ignoring the Cobra/Mach One, until the Camaro SS came out in 2010 the STI made more-ish power than American V8s"...
Seriously, the STI spent that whole time at around 270-290 HP, while the Mustang GT went from 260 to 300, and the Charger R/T brought 340. The old Camaro Z28/Ws6 Trans Am had 315. All of those RWD V8s were slower 0-60, but they had higher trap speeds at the quarter mile, and posted similar times.
34 was one of the fastest around the ring. Awd, all wheel steering, rb26 revving to 8k . Currently Overpriced yes. But overrated? hell no.
Agree 100%. It’s just all of the kids that hype them up without knowing the first thing about then that give other genuine fans a bad rep.
The R-34 GT-R is something special. The GTs and GT-Ts? Not so much.
Hey, I loved my MK4 1.8T Jetta!
I love my 3.6 Passat. Perfect DD. 280 hp 0-60 5.7 1/4 14.3and I 29 to 30 mph @70 mph on the hwy. Lots of space. And vr6 sound.
When I bought my FR-S, I expected all of my friends who build cars to laugh me out of state. Real surprised when all of them just kind of shrugged and said "It's a cool little car. Not gonna outpace anyone, but it's like a Wal-Mart Miata, which isn't bad."
Get any car you want the car culture F up everything about people's opinions back in the 90s early 2000s you xan mod or hook up anything even Saturn's did now uou have to be in the in crowd to be cool it's better to ve duffrent then the same boring build
I’m tired of people saying cheap drift cars don’t exist when Manual G35’s and SN-95’s are readily plentiful
I think there is a big difference between overpriced end overhyped.
There are good ides that command ridiculous rides
RE: Bugatti comment
I feel it was a W16 not necessarily for being fast, but to make it smooth enough to drive on a daily basis. It's not always how much power you make, but HOW the power is delivered.
Yeah, he kind of missed the point. The W16 has such a unique power delivery compared to other crazy high horsepower engines.
@@afilleduptaco yeah exactly’s that’s why Rolls Royces and Maybachs have V12’s instead of boosted V8’s or V6’s
@@1300zw exactly. People are too focused on horsepower than everything else, and people seem to forget why big cars have big engines
@@afilleduptaco yeah, horsepower is important but it’s not everything. That’s why the Ariel Atom beats everything with only 3xx HP (power = weight ratio & a high revving small engine) but is so unconfortable to daily, and why Mercedes S65 AMG Coupes are so nice to drive (6 lt V12 but it has a loooong rpm range and a smooth torque curve).
the R33 gtr is probably the most underrated skyline and imo i like it a lot more than the R34
My fav is the r32
You don't buy a Grand National to race it you buy it for the history
Bladed Angel would like to have a word with you over the C7
I’m pretty sure he’s comparing to the rx7 which is better in turns than any other car
Both of them live in Georgia.
I'm surprised this hasn't happened already.
@@Mc-nn4jz I hope you are being sarcastic. I love me some RX-7 but there are plenty of cars that turn better than them.
I love how you touched up on the VW segment with people’s fascination of the 1.8t. People in the community act like it’s an engine sent from Valhalla and swears by it. If you mention any other engine in the forums then you’ll just get talked down upon. Granted you can make big power on the thing but being versatile is key to keeping character.
The skyline is an amazing car but my dads olds Nissan Sentra reminded me a lot of it so that’s why I guess I never really found them appealing haha. Great video anyways man cool seeing everyone opinions.
Personally I love the v6 sound I think it’s a perfect tone
@@Mattvarville There was never a Skyline that came with a v6 🤦♂️
@@izzy031096 my 2007 infiniti g35 is a v6? Its twelfth gen skyline wym?
The part about the VW scene is basically the entire car scene in most of europe... Its just all clapped out golfs with dsg farts...
The Supra is incredibly over rated. We’ve all seen those videos of “IS THAT A SUPRA” or it beating a lambo or Bugatti or something but all in all they have to be heavily modified to beat those cars. Stock they aren’t that quick. Supra’s are only good cars modified
It had more to do with the cost per performance. For the cost of said lambo or supercar named, the ammout of money it would cost to acheive that level of performance would be very high. Compare that to just modifying a car to achieve somewhat that level is seen as more approachable.
@@One_LuvZthats very true. Couldn’t agree more. A brand new Lamborghini is $210,000+ depending on the model, where $20,000 or so and some work can build a car faster than a lambo or said super cars
Now that the Supras have inflated in prices, I can safely say its not a better value for speed anymore
Don't disrespect the 1.8 t vw and the r32 these are majestic cars and the tuning potential is freaking awesome
Skyline gtr to the rest of the world : that’s a nice skyline
Skyline gtr in America : OH MY GOD ITS A SKYLINE GTR
So basically the world reacts to a skyline gtr how we react to the r35 gtr
R34* in America
But then send them a Mustang or Corvette and see the switch
To them, its commonplace
For us its different because we never had it.
@@One_LuvZ where I’m from skylines are rare every car guy drives a is200 and the lucky ones drive twincams
@@DrinkingBleachOnTheBeach im actually curious about the is200, they came with the beams engine correct?
Saw the thumbnail and immediately thought
“TALK YO SHIT DAVID” 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Before watching the video, I’m gonna say Miata. Those cars aren’t cool at all, they deserve no hype.
I gotta disagree- I think people dismiss them period. Not because they are “cool”
When you drive a well suited Miata with suspension and tires almost nothing comes close to the driver feel at that price on a road course/curvy road.
@@ThatDudeinBlue I'd argue they are under-appreciated by the public, but at the same time over-appreciated by automotive journalists.
why arent they cool exactly? theyre front engine, rear wheel drive that comes in manual, weigh next to fuck all, heaps of aftermarket support and plenty of room under the bay for swaps if you want to go that route. they out handle modern cars way above their price range, convertible or you can throw a hard top on them and treat them as a coupe.
other than the mantra of "hur dur, small car = gurl car" whats so uncool about them?
there isn’t much proper street race cars but that one is
@@ThatDudeinBlue I guess my experience is just based off the stock Miatas.
In my opinion they just aren’t a very attractive car. Very feminine looking. Very slow, terrible sounding (no matter the exhaust you put on).
Lol. I own a Tesla. Stupid fast in a straight line but boring AF if you like noise, or cornering, or manual transmission. While its great for commute, it's not going to be a thrill to drive.
"I respect it, Cause it pretty much means you can like anything"
Damn, Thats gotta hurt if you're a Jetta fan 😂
Cool topic, for the classic muscle cars I say any 68-70 charger since it's been overplayed in media. Cool car but it's getting worn out.
Yeah that’s true
One of my favourite TH-camrs said about the Supra that: "the only good thing about the car, is the fucking engine". This is why I love the new one. The engine is really good, but it god a lot more merits than just an indestructible engine
They say the A90s chassis is stiffer than the LFAs. And that's pretty impressive considering the time, money and effort Toyota put into building the LFA.
Also considering the price gap between the 2 lol.
People seem to blast the A90 while worshipping the A80 even though the Older supra is kind of a dog to drive….
I just love the r34 skyline cuz it was my favorite car growing up in Japan. I fell in love with mustangs later when I moved back to the States and got my first car. I still want a r34 but even here in japan, they can be kinda expensive but not at those outlandish hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Sometime better cars get under appreciated due to popularity
That's what I should do next.
@@ThatDudeinBlue yeah, i can't wait
Counterpoint: I think the FR-S platform is actually underrated, cuz you can't go into a single video talking about either of the cars that spawned from that platform without a dozen people talking about "muh horsepower in a straight line." It's become the "American muscle can't handle" type of argument. It's take that lacks any kind of nuance.
Also, I do agree with the one dude talking about JDM cars. I say this as a JDM and Initial D fanboy, it's outrageous to see people charging $20k+ for a near 40 year old Corolla, and this extends out to other cars like the S13s, Eclipses for a period of time (idk how they do on the used market lately), etc. His other takes were garbage though.
Also totally agree with the "post 2000s" Volkswagens, they aren't special at all...
I briefly owned a 2005 Passat 1.8T (ok, not an "enthusiast" car but point remains) and I can safely say while I enjoyed driving it... that's it. Ownership was a nightmare; that car would not stay fixed for more than a week before _something_ fell apart or stopped working.
Being a fan of the VAG and owner of an 8p 2.0t A3 S-line, I have always liked VW, Audi,Porsche. There are formula's for these cars but unless you Have $$ making a drag car is not what they do! But all arounders they can be! There is a huge range of performance parts you can build a good fun realistic car! My brothers MK7 w/ is38 at 370hp 400tq can beat most cars he rolls against. The EA888 motor is a good one, and the DSG is reliable. Just know their quirks!
@@AliceC993 the last Volkswagen I had was a 1996 1.6 vw polo classic 6kv. Had the motor done and bored out to a 2.1l abf motor and it pulled on the mk7 GTIs with ease and was pretty reliable too. I don't know where they went wrong, I used to love Volkswagens
@@charltonmoore452 I get where you're coming from, I guess its just personal preference, I prefer the older more "aesthetic" VW's if you would
@@hayden6943 I like air cooled as well as the water cooled stuff. The only thing I really despise about the VW community is the obsession with Bags!
I absolutely agree that a well built KA24DET is better than an SR20. 100% of the people I've known with SR20DETs have blown them up, built or stock. I bought my S13 in 2004 and sold it in 2018. I now have an R32 GTR that's a year older than my old S13. On that note, I'd rather have an RB20 from a GTS-T in an S13 than an SR20 by far!
The only R32 that matters is the VW
The Nissan r32 blows the doors off of the vw r32. They arent even in the same league . I’m in both clubs Nissan and vw mk4 owner and I love both r32s but the vw doesn’t even compare on track. Skyline wasnt deemed Godzilla for no reason. And the vwr32 was never banned for being too fast
Loved it...."I had a Honda Odyssey pull on one......" My thoughts exactly
A part two Good Sir, thanks.
the Buick Grand National just looks so bad ass. It's one American car that I desire, along with a 427 Cobra.
Hot take: Electric cars are more about politics than the driving experience
Correct!
This!
So true
As an Subaru STI owner, I agree that it's definitely not the platform you should dive into if you solely want straight line performance. Unless you got money to blow. The STI transmission is very good and can hold 800+whp all day. But these cars can be extremely fun to drive in the twisty mountain roads or the canyons. The AWD gives you so much confidence in the corners. But I agree that a stock STI is slow in today's world of crazy horsepower vehicles.
Why isn’t the E46 M3 on here? I’ve been in a couple they go round corners pretty well but have no power unless you drive the wheels off the thing, the interior is pretty bland and when you drive it on rough-ish roads it’s like being inside a paint shaker
Interesting take.
Because the driving experience and intake sound makes up for the bland interior.
Btw, the ride is actully fine, if you keep it stock.
The problem is that people often buy hugely expensive coilovers and don't bother fine tunning them.
Please do a part 2. This is actually very interesting to watch!
C7 Z06 is the best handling car I've ever driven. Felt like I was driving a hovercraft
Yeah it literally runs very low 7s on the Nurburgring. It’s one of the best handling cars in the world and it’s easily the best performance bargain of this century. Crazy how cheap the car is for the performance. And it’s a nice car to daily and live with as well
You have never driven a hovercraft then or even seen one drive, lol. That is a horrid comparison. Just stick with the old stand by of "like a go kart" or "its on rails".
@@Zankaroo yeah I was gonna say, hovercrafts don’t handle like cars should 🤣 they’re really floaty. But I think he had the right idea
@@lucasjaramillo3478 they basically don’t go where you want them to. The are fucking sentient, I swear
I was in the same boat as you with the VW scene…until my first car ended up being a 2003 1.8t Passat wagon. There is A TON of aftermarket support and community surrounding those cars and often times it’s people working with what they have available, like myself. The relation to Audi is also very nice, as it offers many bolt on upgrades and options.
Are there better platforms? Yes. But are post 2000s VWs still fun? Absolutely.
To be fair, the 87 Buick GNX was beating the Corvette of the same year on the drag strip.
Before the tuners got their hands on Supras, they were performing above and beyond the standards of the era.
It was a superior product that became overpriced. Tuners' opinion doesn't matter because tuners didn't buy them and keep them in production.
Did you see the Midnight Purple II R34 GTR that sold for 310k on BaT? LMAO! I don't care how good these were in 1999, the Supra nor the Skyline were never a $300k+ driving experience. I'm old enough to remember a time when those cars were actually affordable. Most of them in the 10-15-20k range. Well, the R34 GT-R was always pricier than the others. I still don't understand the obsession. Like stated in this video, nice driving sports cars from the 90's, but nothing that special. I don’t even hate the cars. I’ve just seen enough Memes and Fanboys to know that the entire car community is very aware of how not special they really are. Again Cool Cars, nonetheless, but yeah this ain’t the 90s any more and without the Fast Franchise, half the fans
might not even care about them.
@@philithegamer8265 $140,000 is enough to acquire a brand new GTR from England. Or a brand new SLC Ultralite from Detroit and be a little slower than a damn Indy car!!!!
Whose spending that kinda of money without research?
1983 Ultima GT(not the 1993 R) was the Last car designed by Lee Noble before he started building his own supercars.
@@jemand4656 Brainwashed JDM Fanboys are. For instance Doug Demuro here is completely buying to the Supra hype. th-cam.com/video/cwKAS9vQq90/w-d-xo.html&lc=UgwFLGW9dtpqUuhoaMd4AaABAg
As a former turbocharged Subaru owner I still have nightmares. It was used with 50k miles when I bought it, still completely stock and somehow the engine block cracked, the turbo blew up, and I had to replace 2 axles in 1 year of ownership even though I maintained it properly. I never raced it, and I primarily used it to take my daughter to school and drive to work. Never lost so much money on a car in such a short time without modding anything
My hyundai veloster was a 💰 pit and I'm always telling subbie owners if you guys enjoy waiting slot of money on parts and maintenance but they don't care it's a trend I would never spend my money on a subbie I'd rather have a honda or toyota without a turbo that pulls
My 500hp 04 WRX was the most fun car I have ever driven. Properly sized turbo + top end work= almost zero lag. I was hitting 24psi at under 3.8k and full power at 4.4k that held all the way to redline. I did end up blowing a hole in the engine block though so...
Lmfaooooooo @ the "1.8t Jetta enthusiasm" 😭😭😭
Mk4 Supra was an amazing platform, they deserve the hype it make sense,growing up watching Supra’s in street racing gapping everything but I feel like it is overhyped by kids lol
Ive owned my MKIV Supra TT 6 Speed for 12 years. Its still like nothing else to drive. I absolutely still love the car and will never sell mine. A lot of people might think they are overrated these days, maybe compared to modern cars ya, but for the era they came from, they are awesome.
I'm someone from the VW scene. I love the scene because it ranges from modified, to restorated oldtimers. There is a little bit for everybody. As a daily driver, it's definitely not an exciting car to drive like a sports car. But it sure as hell is a very comfortable and reliable experience. Ideal if you just need a car to commute or go on a long trip with. You can buy a fun car aside from a modern VW anyway
as a guy who’s only owned post 2000’s vw’/audi’s (1999 to 2005) the 1.8t is just a fun engine, with minimal modification you can put down 240-260hp in a 2800lb hatch or sedan and it’s really just a blast. i personally enjoy the styling of this era in VW/Audi, especially the B5/MK4 platforms. it’s mainly about the culture. it’s a very laid back community from what i’ve seen from the VW guys who own these cars. the B5 S4 community is a different story😂. but as of now i have a 2.7t swapped b6 s4 and the interior holds up beautifully, and the styling i do really enjoy with the wider angrier flares and front end (yes i know the rear is a hot take but i enjoy it) and the Quattro system paired with the OA3 transmission snd the 2.7t is just a riot. With a stage 2 tune you break 300’s and with ko4’s you sit comfortably at mid to high 400’s depending on fuel choice. its something to experience in all of it’s facets, more than just the vehicle. going to a massive meet for the first time and seeing all of these swapped and built early 2000’s VW’s and Audi’s and all of the owners being down to earth and willing to talk and share what they know just made me feel accepted even before i had gotten into it. everyone has their opinions though i and i do respect them. have a good day y’all🤟🏼