Reaction video: What’s everyone’s option about the law of fliming buses is it illegal or legal?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 มิ.ย. 2024
- This video explains and I want to hear people’s opinions on a topic of if it’s illegal or legal to film buses.
Sorry, Sameoldfitup I am just using your video as an example of the conversation of you thinking it’s legal and him thinking it’s illegal and I am using it as I am example to hear different options.
kinda getting fed up of seeing these rent-a-cops trying to look for trouble.
Hi Emily, no I aren’t looking for trouble it was just a video example of what people thought of the law on this.
Peter
I learned everything I needed to know about his IQ when he claimed the Data Protection Act makes it against the law to film people in public.
No expectation of privacy in a public space.
Hi this isn’t a private setting as he was recording outside of the interchange you see, if you were recording inside it then yes that’s a private setting.
Peter
The irony of him walking up to a member of public in a public place and saying "just making you aware you are on CCTV", whilst then telling him not to film other members of public in a public place.
@@Pete1890 Still part of the interchange that is owned by Transport For Greater Manchester which is a private limited company.
It finishes bordering the road with moving traffic.
@@gbhxuHi well he’s still legally allowed to film there though as it’s legal to film the buses as part of his hobby.
@@Pete1890 Nope. He's on private property and needs permission from the owner.
You can almost see the ignorance oozing from his pores.
Got told last week by a DHL delivery driver that it was illegal for me to film him when he was delivering to my property - what a div!
I said how do the police and councils get away with operating cctv and all the households with Ring doorbells get away with it then. He still kept arguing though.
They film the delivery of the parcel.
Hi there, yes he is correct they do film the parcel, plus many delivery people get filmed and watched as many residents keep CCTV cameras nowadays and it’s not illegal to film a delivery driver.
Peter
Actually you need to have a sign up warning people that they are being recorded. I believe a year or so ago there was a court case involving a homeowner with a ring bell which recorded a bypasser who was unhappy at being recorded without their knowledge. As you warn people you are recording them before recording you should be OK. Same as recording telephone conversations.
@@delgray1442 you only need a sign if you're recording audio or video that's from beyond the curtilage of your property.
Yellow jacket lawyers are always the best aren’t they
One minute he said you can't film in public, then he says it's private property. So what happened did the police turn up?.
We can infer from his utterances that he lacks the IQ required to consider an argument which doesn't violate the laws of non-contradiction.
Hi there, I wasn’t in this video Sameoldfitup filmed this I was just using this for a reaction video you’d have to ask Sameoldfitup if the police turned up.
Peter
At least 10 sandwiches short of a picnic that one 😂😂😂. That big m on his back stands for i am a complete Moron 😂😂
I thought it stood for "Muppet". He certainly satisfies the criteria. 😄😄😄
@@TradCatMan 'MAD'?
@@majorlaff8682 Quite possibly 😄
I didn't know any Bus Station was a place where no-one could use a camera.
Hi no he was in the wrong he’d got incorrect information there you see you can still use a camera there is no illegal about anything he’s fliming there and I bet if the police turned up they wouldn’t have cared or have done much.
Peter
Buy a bus ticket then you are entitled to be there as a potential passenger and little Adolf's argument falls apart.
Hi Richard, it doesn’t matter if you have a bus ticket, Now Card and all those bus fares etc the collegues who came out and told him it’s illegal to film buses in public places was in the wrong personally and its legel to film buses and he wasn’t bothering or doing anything to anyone you see he was just fliming his hobby you see and minding his own business.
Peter
Little weasel went crying to little piggies
Hi Andy, to be honest he does seem tough and strong he just seemed to want to be more argumentative than cry back to his colleagues. Peter
He even has an expression of a weasel.
I have had this kind of trouble. I think the best thing to do is conceal the camera in something such as a rucksack!
Hi I am sorry to hear that you have had this short of trouble before. No in my personal option you shouldn’t be stopped by people who don’t know the law properly and it’s legel to film buses and he was in the wrong saying that it’s illegal.
Peter
@@Pete1890 It is all right to video buses on the public highway, but a bus station is technically private property. I would comply with a request to leave!
@@AllensTrains Hi yes you are correct yes if he was filming inside of the Interchange then yes he would need to ask for permission by the owner but he was filming outside of the Interchange which is a public setting so he didn't need to ask permission to do that and that collegue was in the wrong of coming out and stopping him from filimg if he wasn't fliming in private property.
Peter
@@Pete1890 You can determine who is correct, the video photographer or the bus man by obtaining the information from the Land Registry. Although the bus station is open to the public, if the bus company actually owns the pavement on which the video photographer is standing, then they have won the argument!
Those buses should file for harrassment, especially the double decker. Not the plonker with the chip on his shoulder though.
Hi do you actually mean the collegues driving the buses or just the vehicles it’s self?
People have been filming buses since they were invented there is historical photographs and proof of buses in use containing accidents different historic bus types that would have been lost to history over the years.Many colleagues and myself were filmed in the ten years I served as a bus conductor in the seventies .The photographer’s who did so never got in our way but I’m pleased they filmed us for posterity.This world is getting crazy with paranoid people who think they have powers they do not .The photos of children is a different matter and should handled differently if abuse is suspected it should be reported.
Intersting facts there Terry I agree with the majority of things you've said so far.
I was a Bus driver in the 70's there have always been coach photographers , back then they were welcome and some invited inside the Depo and workshops fo a look around and photograph , back then they never had video cameras and would often pay a bus fare to take a short tour , some with sound recorders who held the mic to the floor to record the engines on single deck coaches, I have even when out in the countryside stopped the bus so they could get a decent picture , a few have asked if I would like some pictures sent through the post to me (no internet) which they did send, these photographer's are like historians of transport keeping records of the same bus fleet number from new to scrap and private ownership .
@@uptowndisco2 Hi there, he was currently in the wrong as you are correct as there is no illegal on him not being allowed to film there etc as there are many bus spotters out there who do recording and doing photos for a hobby and it is fine to do this.
I hope this makes more sense
Peter
They'll be telling us to stop trainspotting next.
Hi everyone, thank you very much for your options and comments on this video and thanks for your feedback everyone.
Peter & The Bus Entertainment Team
I get filmed often when driving in an out of the depots. Not a problem, cctv everywhere recording anyway. No problem talking to them, answering questions, and have shown some around vehicles that they want to take some closer footage of. I'm on the Isle of Man
Hi yes there is a lot of people out there who like to film buses and their hobby’s etc this is true.
Of course you can film in a public or publicly accessible place, basic photography law, oh that includes people no expectation of privacy in public, and data protection is for companies not individuals
And what is he filming on his bodycam the lovely countryside ??...Plank !!
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Thanks for your suggestion but I won’t require music for this video sorry.
@@Pete1890 Not even for a Breton NPC that's been given a Nord beard texture?
Filming is legal. Anywhere. Except in a prison or filming people involved in a court case. Also, in some military sites.
An employee however cannot use a camera to record anything when they are working or using the camera on behalf of the company. Then GDPR rules kick in and informed consent must be sought first.
@@TheSadButMadLad Hi no it is also illegal to film in a private setting too like for an example school or college without their consent.
Which country are we supposed to be in!
Hi it’s England.
A bus driver once said to me, that if i photographed his bus again, he'd ahove the camera up my backside, so i reported him to the company, who did nothing about it. I didnt even get a reply.
What some drivers don't understand, is that were not photographing them, its the buses were interested in. I believe, that at one time, enthusiasts weren't allowed to photograph buses at the transport interchange in Sheffield. If you're stood in a public place, no one can stop you filming, or photographing, unless you're in the way of passengers, etc.
Hi John, yes I would agree with your point of view in you stating that it’s not illegal requirement to film the buses and 100’s of people out there nearly do it on a daily basis. It’s only in a private setting you need permission to film but the collegue speaking to Sameoldfitup was in the wrong as he was on a public setting.
Thanks, Peter
@@Pete1890 I've actually seen a driver on their phone, whilst tur ING out of a bus station in Belfast, and another with a newspaper in their hand. Needless to say, I didn't take photos, as I don't wish to get bus drivers into trouble.
@@johnUB4478 Hi John, I understand what you mean and your fears about getting them in trouble John, however I would have recommend that you reported this incident though as it's illegal to read or use your phone when you are driving. Like if you had reported the issue then something would have got shorted propaply even if nobody did much about it it's worth a try though John.
Peter
@@Pete1890 I've taken photos before now, and the drivers have put their duty cards over their faces.
@@johnUB4478 Thats good to know John hopefully the issues you’ve had with bus drivers lately will get resolved for you.
bus stops are at the expense of the local bus company
Hi no actually bus stops and bus stations are usually owned and made by the local council and not the bus company.
Jobs worth get him a CAP.
Nit a resident of the UK anymore but I would like to here more about the legislative reference he quoted. I did work in Government with the law and it was the most common thing for people making an argument to cherry pick a piece out of legislation that was meant to be read in its entirety. Off the top of my head though I would even challenge that the videographer was in private land if that was a public service. Or have they privatised the buses now?
Basically, the Data Protection Act 2018 still applies in the UK, as Brexit made GDPR redundant. The DPA only applies to companies or organisations, not private individuals. There is indeed no privacy in public although there are some exceptions that don't apply here. It's possible to get done for harrassment too if you're targeting individuals repeatedly but that wouldn't really apply to filming public servants going about their business.
Lastly, whilst it's legal to film in public and publicly accessible areas, if it's private land the landowner does have the right to revoke your right of access although this would be trespass and a civil matter, so shouldn't involve the police unless it's aggravated, for e.g. if someone remained in a shop after it had closed.
Hi there, no basically you can legally film public transport in public places and it isn’t illegal to do this the man in the video who came out and told him it’s illegal to film buses in a public place Sameoldfitup wasn’t doing anything illegal by fliming the buses he was in the wrong telling him it is and just generally trying to stop him from fliming and threatening to get the police involved for something they wouldn’t care about.
If you are fliming a person individually on purpose let’s say for an example to try and catch a person out on something or recording a private conversation in purpose then that is illegal. But fliming just buses and following your hobby’s and dreams isn’t illegal your just fliming the vehicles.
I hope that makes sense
Peter
@@Pete1890 It's not illegal to record conversations in public persay, even if they are 'private', it's more the intent that's the issue. Obviously if someone is going around targetting specific individuals then that's harrassment. The point is, many people think you need to seek their permission to record their conversations they're broadcasting in public spaces but this obviously is not the case, otherwise it would be illegal to do so.
Ultimately as said it comes down to harrassment law and what you choose to do with the recording. Much to the surprise of many a TH-camr, putting such a recording on TH-cam could potentially land you in some trouble, depending on the sensitivity of the information discussed, where it took place (e.g. a job centre). Just as the right to film is effectively protected by the Human Rights Act (Article 10), so is the right to privacy (Article 8). The point of the act is to try and strike a balance between competing rights. It's not as black and white as some TH-camrs make out.
@@defined12 Hi yes it's legal to film in a public setting like he was doing anyways as he was filming outside of the Interchange so he wouldn't need to ask for permission to film in a public setting. However you need to ask permission to film in a private setting as it's private property and I have searched this a few weeks ago and it is illegal to film in a private setting without permission as it's their own place they own and can get you in a lot of trouble if you are catched filimg in a private setting without permission. And recording someone's private conversation directly to them on purpose is illegal.
I hope that makes sense
Peter
Bus spotting is a hoby. Bus spotters know more about history of most buses and coaches .
@@johnfisher986 I would agree with you there you’ve got a brilliant point John.
If you can see it with your eyes, you can record it with your phone.
Just look at the amount of ring doorbells and security cameras, do you honestly think they all asked everyone for their permission??????
Hi yes I can confirm that this was filmed with my film however I did not actually record this video it was Sameoldfitup that recorded this video and was involved in this incident. However you can film in a pubilc setting as it's not legal to do this like he was doing anyways. However it is illegal to film in a private setting and you would need permission from the owner to film in a private setting.
Thanks, Peter
@@Pete1890 Always remember, you can film a "private" area from a public place. For example, HM Prisons do not allow recording for obvious reasons, but there is no law stopping you from standing on public ground and pointing your camera toward the prison. Note that a lot of prisons have private roads to and around them for this reason. The same would apply to the private bus terminal, or anything else, if you can see it from a public area, you can film it from there.
He's a troll
i hope he is FIRED
Hi Harry, I don't think he would get fired for this incident as he's not caused any harm or offense to anyone he was very confused with the law so I would have thought that when the police turned up I thought that the staff at the station or the police would have just spoke to him more about the law's and regualtions set out by the goverment. Anyways you are better off asking Sameoldfitup for more information on this, as I was not the one recording this incident and ask him if the police turned up etc.
Thanks, Peter
I use to be a bus driver in Swansea & was sacked as i had an agument with a bus spotter who was taking pictures when we was entering the bus terminal.
I asked him to stop taking pictures to which he replied that he was in a public area blah blah blah , anyway after about 10 minutes of us arguing , a member of public was filming me which at the time i didnt know that , anyway she reported me to the company & i was sacked.
As to your dismissal it depends in what manner you were speaking to the member of the public.
As to filming in public, well, now you know.
Hi there, well to be honest with you I think you was wasting your time doing that, and I wouldn’t recommend stopping people from fliming buses if they aren’t doing anything and they just want to film their hobby at the end of the day it isn’t illegal to film the buses.
The only time you should tell her to stop fliming or taking photos if she’s doing something bad on purpose like recording a private conversation, or catching an individual out on purpose as that is illegal and that can get you in a lot of trouble.
Peter
Well you brought that upon yourself by getting into a pointless argument for no reason. Perhaps from that day forward if you see someone filming or taking pictures, you will just ignore them when in public. Simple question for you, I'm assuming you must have believed that the person with the camera was doing something illegal for you to do what you did, who told you that?
What was your objection - it's only a bus /bus station.
It's not like filming Armed Forces/Police/ Government Biological - Chemical Weapons ( as at Porton Down ) - is it ?
@@stuartbrown8259Hi i actually don’t believe that it is illegal to film in public. No I wasn’t in this video Sameoldfitup recorded this and he was the one who had that argument I was just using his voice for a reaction video. So any questions you’d have to comment over to Sameoldfitup sorry as I was not involved in this.
Peter
so is he against bus spotting then.... hahaha
Hi it seems to be yes as he was in the wrong to tell him to stop filming the buses as he was filming in a pubilc setting which is legal do however it is illegal to film in a private setting without asking for the owners permission first.
Peter
Any thing you can see in public you can film and you can film into private property if the private property can be viewed from public property .. if you dont want to be viewed in private property build a big wall ... but just remember that when you build that wall you might as well put a roof on it because you can still be filmed using a drone 😂😂😂😂
Hi David, you can definitely film in a public setting which is where he was fliming and it’s not illegal to do this however you do need permission to film in you’re in a private setting though.
Peter
@@Pete1890 What do you mean by 'private setting'? Anything that's publicly accessible is a public space, whether it be privately owned or not. The only exception are places the public cannot access without appointments or areas within public spaces signs stating the public cannot enter. On private land however, your implied right of access can be revoke, in which case the issue becomes trespass which is a civil matter. Potentially the landowner could then use reasonable force to remove you from the property but if they don't ask you to leave, then technically this right of access has not been revoked. Some security guards go hands on without doing this and open themselves up to assault claims.
@@defined12 Hi when I mean private setting I mean private property basically no you do need to ask for permission off the owner if you can film in their private setting e.g for an example the Interchange a school or college. I just searched this up a few weeks ago it is illegal to film in a private setting without asking the owner for their permission first as it can get you in a lot of trouble if you are catched doing this without permission. He was in the right though as he was filimg in a public setting, and that collegue was in the wrong as it's legal to film buses like he was in you're in a public setting you see.
Peter
@@Pete1890 how is it illegal Peter? They can't sue you just because you stepped onto their property and filmed them. As long as the area is publicly accessible you haven't broken any laws.
The moment they ask you to leave, you leave. If you don't, then it's trespass and they could I guess pursue a civil claim but that wouldn't go anywhere and would have nothing to do with you filming.
@@defined12 Hi yes you would leave if they got asked to do so, as that is trespassing in towards their private property. However I aren’t too sure on how it’s illegal on this sorry I just learnt that it’s illegal to film in a private setting as it’s private property and that’s what I learned at college recently as we learn a lot of consent. I believe the reason it is illegal is because your filming in another owner’s private property you see and I just believe you can get in a lot of trouble for it if you don’t ask for their permission first that’s what I was told.
Location - Filming on the Interchange itself. Even though it's a public place, owned by Transport For Greater Manchester, therefore private property. Had he been stood on the road he'd have been OK.
GDPR - Still applies to a single person. So giving out details of a bus, e.g. number plate, make, etc would be seen as breech of GDPR.
My main concern would be publishing the video without the permission of Metro employee
Hi no he was still in a public setting as he was outside of the interchange if he was in a private setting as you say private property like inside the interchange yes I would agree he would need permission to film. However it is not illegal to film outside of the interchange though and that collegue was in the wrong and was not doing any harm to anyone or fliming in a private setting. With regards to the number plate that can’t be really helped to have access to and plus it’s not private as you can access many bus number plates on the internet.
Peter
Being a waste of space isn't against the law but this tool with a camera is one.
Hi Tommy, that’s true for him he’s just seems to be wasting his own time by going out there and telling him it’s illegal to film in public when it isn’t.
Peter
It's stupid
just get a job as a bus driver simple really insted of recording busses lol
Hi some people wouldn’t be able to drive as of yet I’m only 16 sorry so I can’t drive yet you see. Him in the video who was recording it could probably drive.
Peter
@@Pete1890 still also i dont agree with how he acted and also bus stations are public land not private so he was also a clown
@@edwardmullins2716 Hi Edward, yes I would agree with you there I would not agree with how he acted either as he wasn't causing any harm or doing anything illegal actually. If he was filimg in a private setting which is private property so inside the interchange then it is illegal to film in a private setting without asking for the owner's permission.
Thanks, Peter
@@Pete1890 Okay your age changes things slightly as you're not technically an adult so the security guard has an extra duty of care toward you. There is other legislation they must consider, especially if they want to detain you and potentially go hands on even if it's just escorting you off private property. I forget what legislation. This is clearly public property though. A security guard grabbing hold of someone who's technically a child could result in some pretty serious criminal charges. But then it does happen a lot.
@@defined12 Hi yes your right it is illegal to hold charges on a child as this can get you in trouble and it’s the parents and teachers responsibility to deal with their child’s actions if they do anything wrong.
What a bell end
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