Root Cellar Build / Possible Storm Shelter?
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- Building Our Root Cellar and Storm Shelter | 100% Wooden Design Buried in a Hillside
In this video, we take you through the entire process of constructing our unique wooden root cellar that also doubles as a storm shelter. Built directly into a hillside, this cellar features cedar shelves for long-lasting storage and an inward-opening door designed for easy access even if debris blocks the entrance.
We’ve included an air shaft to ensure proper ventilation and fresh air flow, and there’s electrical power for running a dehumidifier or lighting to keep your stored goods safe and easily accessible. This cellar is not only a reliable way to store food but also a practical safety measure in the event of severe weather.
If you’re interested in DIY root cellar construction, storm shelter safety, or sustainable storage solutions, this video has all the tips and tricks you need!
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"Oh no it's not working. They're still stupid."
Lol. I'm a 50 tradesman who's had plenty of apprentices and raised kids. That tickled my funny bone. Solid build.
We bust some chops around here!😅
See as a young man myself, I appreciated the "cause we were told to." 😂
Living just south of you in Arkansas, I understand the need for a storm shelter. I'm old and in the "old days," all storm cellars were made of wood. Yours looks exceptionally well built. Hoping you will need your structure only as a root cellar.
We’re praying it just needs to keep food cool;) We hope it gives us a bit of service life. At least I know a guy who can build another if it fails miserably lol. Are you folks as dry as we are? Terrible drought here. Farmers are already feeding hay.
Thanks Vicki
@@tickcreekranch We have had some rain in my area due to severe thunderstorms. In my town last Sunday evening (June 25), we had straight line winds between 60-90 mph. Trees and power lines down everywhere. Initially, over 1000 homes were without power. Over 300 homes are still without power. People here have had a rough week.
@@vickiwood9192 we’re working towards being off grid completely, but that’s a couple years down the road still. I feel for those people with no ac in this intense heat. The cellar is a nice cool place when the power is out
@@tickcreekranchwhat's the temperature usually in the seller?
Amen❤
Everything looks great! In my county, they would call it a livable structure and raise my property taxes a bunch!
Where do you live?
@@tickcreekranch oklahoma
BRAVO capable beautiful men! Very grateful there are men like you and your young men out there. Can't say I'm not a bit jelous😊 Your wife is a very lucky Lady, hopefully she is just as capable but in a supportive area of her own expertise. Well done, very impressed. Much Love beautiful family.💗👑
Thank you Victoria! We put a lot of emphasis on acquired skills around here. I’d say, one of my wife’s greatest skills is putting up with my, well…let’s just call them …eccentricities😁 Like good ole Red Green would say “If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy” lol
I did the same mistakes you did when I built my first one. :D. The foam board that sits between the dirt and plastic will slide against the 6mil over time and cause gaps to open up. It will also eventually let dirt sit on the plastic and bugs will slowly eat away at it. Gluing it down, is important, so it doesn't slide. The pine inside should 100% be sealed with linseed oil or anything else that natural and helps keep the bugs from chewing it up or wanting to stay in the enclosed environment. Especially out in the hallway, spiders will love that area. You can put it on the bottom of the Cedar as well, to stop any bugs from finding an area to chew into. They WILL eat cedar if they want to.
Nice work. I’d suggest backfilling the walls with clean rock if someone else is building similar. This helps reduce lateral loads on the walls and also keeps saturated soils away from the exterior wall surfaces. This should increase the structures service life.
Than k you for your comment. I’m in the process of designing my own.
Expanding clay deff ruined alot of places. Nice call
Yes, great advice, hopefully this works until I can encapsulate the structure in concrete and steel.
Uh...yep. The clay around it will not percolate water away very well. It absolutely will permeate under every layer of felt. Water on the floor,mold....its gonna be sad when they get 6 inches of rain.
Awesome build, great carpentry skills, really appreciate the attention to details and not getting in too big a hurry.
Well…..I normally watch these types of videos and fast forward. Once I saw that guy work that backhoe and saw that he knew what he was doing I just locked in and watched the whole thing. That was real good work on that cellar and ya'll obviously know what you're doing. Good job.
It is truly wonderful to watch good craftsmen at their trade! Well done.....
Thanks Steve
Thank you so much to all the wonderful strong men in this world who do the hard work to take care of their families.
Excellent build. Only thing I could see was to add some type of small escape hatch in case the door got blocked in a tornado.
maybe a showel and axe? :)
That’s what I like about it the most. The way he built the entryway. It’s covered so at least the door won’t get blocked.
Or in case the people from irs show up for another handout
The door swings inward so you can always get past the door
We have a electric chainsaw and prybar in there just in case😁
Fellow dad here and just want to say this video was awesome! I lost my dad at nine and trying to build a homestead with no mentorship is a tough task. Praying God gives me the wisdom. We have 6 acres to work with. Planning on DIYing a sawmill so I can start on our own cellar. Seeing other families work together towards a common goal makes me hopeful. Thank you for sharing.
THIS my friends is what America is all about.
Yes sir!
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Is there some reason you couldn't do this exact same thing practically ANYWHERE?
@@theoriginalmonstermaker He is saying this is what U.S. culture is all about. This project showcases the values that are promoted by that culture.
Looks like an amazing build. You'd absolutely would benefit from adding a ventilation tube in the rear, with an intake at the front. Some vegetables will give off chemicals...gasses... That effect the others stored there.
Furthermore, it would assist in pressure changes as the storms come through the area, this can enable the structure to change internal pressures and not be as likely to get damaged.
Yes sir, somehow we didn’t show any of the ventilation in this vid. It has vents in the bottom of the door and a roof top turbine vent (that is too big btw:) We’ll put out a update video soon and I’ll be sure to include the ventilation this time👍
@@tickcreekranch definitely would love to see a update!
@@AddictOfLearning Yes! We need to!
Acetlyene or ethene - triple bonded carbon molecules - everyone knows about bananas emitting them and to keep em in a bag if u want to ripen quicker. I spent 2 years in college studying and then teaching organic chemistry and honest to god this is the first time in a year or two i actually have used that knowledge (knowingly). Did teach me how to think better, at the cost of me writing skills.
love how you teach them. this is how lessons stick, through self involved action. your "they're still stupid" comment was hilarious
We razz each other around here pretty good! Some people got their panties in a wad over that comment lol!
Nice design and work.
Here at our homestead, we faced the entrance toward our home to make it quicker for accessing it, easier for when stocking it up and gathering canned food, and better for directly communicating from the home to anyone at the storm shelter.
We also ran 1" conduit with romex for 110v. Used 1" in case we wanted to run other wiring through it later on. And since we already used a ditch witch to dig a trench for the wiring, we also laid down a 1/2" conduit in case we ever wanted to run water to it from the home.
Put in plumbing
You are a responsible man to protect your family. I have often wondered why people ignore the treat.
I LOVE to see men work. Not a rib. The joy you have working is infectious. If only I had muscles, I could move mountains :) LOVE a perfectionist and one who takes joy and pride in their God given talent. beautiful
We might not be the brightest, but we can build stuff lol. Thank you and hope you follow along 👍
I was thinking the same thing! It's nice to see men being men. Doing what it takes to care for and protect their family. Amazing build!
You might have to seal the cedar if you're planning on putting fresh fruit and veggies in there. They might take on the cedar flavor. especially potatoes and apples.. ask me how I know!
Excellent point. Probably won’t store too many in open air. The humidity stays too low🤷🏻♂️ I do love me some cedar flavored carrots though😂
less than 2000 buck. oh and $350K+ of equipment and tools. :). Super nice build y'all! looks great!
Sir, I really enjoyed this video seeing three generations working together is very inspiring. Don’t know if your shelter will last forever but I’m guessing it will last long enough. Great video!
It was a fun project and only time will tell about the longevity. We experiment with a lot of different stuff, this was one of those. There are wood cellars that still function that date back to the 1700s. Now do I think this will last as long, no. I’m sure they had environmental advantages over us and a better decay resistant species they utilized. On the flip side of the equation, we have modern membranes, drain tile, dehumidifiers and products we can apply to prevent insects and decay. It will be interesting to see if this is a viable option for some instead of masonry and it’s associated cost. This was less than 2k total considering we mill our own lumber. Thanks Chico
Those black marks on the wood is mold. You have to use bleach to get rid of it..
Cedar is probably my favorite woof for anything going outdoors (or building like this). That's some beautiful material.
It'll help w/ rot & termites.
Truly impressive design and workmanship. Thoroughly enjoyed watching this video
Awesome job, and what a beautiful project. I’m thinking this will definitely serve double duty ! 👍👍👍
📍BONUS TIP: Diatomaceous Earth (DE) mixed with gravel and anywhere unwanted bugs might crawl makes for a great repellent.
📍 sand & DE mixture as a barrier between the soil and building can help keep the structure dry and prevent unwanted insect intrusions. Plastic sheeting (under-slab vapor retardant) along the soil contact wall, and fill the gap with the sand/DE mixture as the soil rises up. Alternatively, a plaster version of water, crushed limestone, & gypsum with the sand and DE as a thin plaster before surrounding with dirt.
📍 exterior hallway… surprised dry-fit stone wasn’t used (in whole or in part) until I saw the end.
Looks GREAT!
Great info thanks.
I was going to say that. Because you know there's all kinds of bugs in that dirt and you don't want them in your food.
my husband's grandfather built our storm shelter 70 ish years ago. You're gonna want to put in some retaining walls around it. I could show you the issues we're having this far down the line if you're interested. We get too much rain here in the Ozarks to not have retaining walls on the hills, if you wanna keep the soil where you want it.
That’s so impressive. I wish I had family to build me one, really well done.
67 yo gramma here - I LOVE it! My grandparents had a small cellar under a bedroom that was added on to the front of the house. It was a tiny concrete room under that room. It's been decades and, even though I can see the cellar in my minds eye, I don't recall what the door to it was like. I have a son/daughter-in-law who have 10 acres they are working a beginning homestead on. He set up a sawmill and is currently finishing a woodshed build with wood he planed from a tree he downed on his property. I'll be sharing your video with him. ( : Thanks for sharing from start to finish! Happy cellaring!
@@SAM57119 Thats awesome! I hope he does well. Self sufficiency is a lost skill these days
Nice job! Very impressive! Hopefully, you'll never have to sit out a nasty storm, but if you do have to; you're prepared!
Dream cellar! And I loved that your boys worked alongside with you! Here is some great parenting!
Questions: Why didn't you use any hurricane brackets on the trusses? Could you have added in French drains along the sides of your hole?
Good video,nice machine work,good milling to wow I’m impressed hopefully u put a future video of the cellular
We’ll put a update vid up soon👍 Thanks Fiore
Amazing job guys and what piece of mind to know you have a safe place when the weather gets bad. My area is well known for Tornados and even though I'm quite used to it nothing worse than trying to finding a safe spot when the weather gets bad.
I have been thinking about building one for years, just like the one yall built for both reasons. Looks great. My farm is on a hill and a deep long grade with a lot of timber.
Sounds like a perfect spot.
I would put another door on for a dead air space to help with temperature control. 😊😊
Sure might in the future👍
This was worth the watch for that door alone.
Unbelievable! You blow away building channels I watch. 👍👍 I should hav married a carpenter. 😂
Lol! Thank you Grandma
Damn, that's basically a bunker. Nice build!
You did some research! I started watching this for ideas and pretty much stayed glued to the screen the whole time. I have to say the door is my favorite. Im in North Central Arkansas right on a ridge where a big tornado ripped through. Got some damage but could've been worse so something like this is a must. I hope yours last generations.
Thanks for checking us out! It was a fun build with the family, I highly recommend it👍
We’re just 30 minutes out E. of West Plains MO
Oh I bet this root cellar smells sooooo good! ❤ absolutely beautiful work!
Yes, it smells amazing in there with the cedar 👍
Nice craftsmanship!!!
I like the door, the doors bolt lock,
and locks door trim.
Wow that was very interesting and helpful. We’re planning on building a cellar next summer at my sister’s. She wasn’t sure about some of the specifics regarding moisture and water control. Thanks for sharing! Now I have a reference vid for her.
the door design was very nice. greetings from norway. it also look like the design of the cellar could be used to make a killer sauna as well. or a smoking house
It looks amazing!! Down the line i'd sand the wood framing inside to save family from splinters, but it looks very nice! I wish I'd have the confidence to take on such a huge project
With how much work there always is to do, I doubt that will ever become a priority. On top of that, a family that lives like this probably wouldn't even notice a splinter. Splinters really only happen to soft city skin.
I have always said that you can most often tell a quality carpenter/tradesman by the bags they wear. Not necessarily the tools, but most often the bags.... Nice bags!!! and build of course👍👍👍👍
Only Occidental Leather for me, unless my son Elliot makes me some new ones😉 He does nice work. Guess I need to drop less subtle hints going forward. Thanks Kyle
Great job guys, very inspiring. As for me, I'm looking at such a structure for food passive conservation, I guess I can just copy your model with special attention to the air/humidity factor.
Love this as a family project!!!❤️
I need double the space...but got some great ideas from both the great family video and the connect ideas too! My three sons all learned and mastered the art of welding...so we will surely incorporate those skills into a larger design for us. THANKS FOR SHARING...AND GIVE EACH OTHER HUGE HUGS...YOU ALL DID A GREAT JOB (and even better...seeing family generations work together is always a beautiful inspiration)!!!
Amen!!!!! And I would need more space too, just wider so an electric wheelchair can be brought in.
That was freaking awesome!
Yall did a great job. I'm a retired carpenter so I appreciate you craftsmanship skills.
@@robertblake2361 Thank you Robert👍
I like your build. My change would be to put wood directly between your studs to improve side of room to side of room compressive strength, in addition to the wood you have between your top plate and bottom sole plate. Theres a lot of compressive strength put on your walls, you saw your back wall give out after you dug it. Your walls seem to be held in place only by nails into the plates. In my opinion, and i could be wrong, if the nails, which seem to be to only thing hold your studs apart side of room to side of room, pull out, the studs would push into the room. If you had wood between your studs, from side of room to side of room, the studs couldnt push together. On the other hand i think you could park a semi on top of your project, those studs are fantasticly strong compressed top to bottom.
The rafters could provide that strength at the top, as long as they are secured well at each end... don't forget they sheathed all walls and roof with thick wood, which, if nailed properly especially at the corners, should be just fine, don't you think?
This built was one of the most impressive things I’ve ever seen come together. Way to go.
Man, do a quick update video of this today, please! Great work!
We’ll try and get one out soon. We are so far behind with videos. We can’t make them as fast as we film them. We’re working on it👍 thanks for your patience
Nice design and build man.... Reminds me of a neighbor years ago with a small farm... They built a root celler but of concrete.. It was a add on to the basement of their house..... They kept the root plants in there
This is amazing!! Great idea to combine a root cellar w/storm shelter. Can wait to see your continued progress on the homestead.
Many blessings to you and your family!!!
We’re going to be more consistent with our long videos from here on out. Thanks for following along Montana👍
Looks good and strong , unfortunately i dont own an excavator or a skid steer . Cool celler though.
Thanks for more detail, longer form with narration! You guys are awesome!!
And no distracting background music! 😊
I would want to keep a couple bottle jacks and a mega pry bar inside. It could help an escape.
😊I was always told that a root cellar needed a high moisture level. I guess this is something new.
They do. Otherwise the roots (beets, potatoes, etc) dry up.
Wow! Nice work! I'm curious why you scorched some of the wood at the beginning?
Insects don't try to bore into burnt wood to lay eggs or eat. This is standard treatment for untreated lumber all around the world.
Your video reminds me of my husband and his father and brothers building everything. They are and were in construction. My husband is a general contractor.. Oh.... and my husband's crew cussed and yelled a lot more. 😅
Thanks for sharing.
We save all that for off camera lol
Great job guys, but I gotta ask.....Why not just poured concrete, like any other basement?
It won't last long if the wind pushes a decent sized tree over on it, he will wish he had used concrete!
Looks amazing! A root cellar has been on my to do list for years, hopefully we'll get one put in at some point.
Looks awesome! Have you had any problem with the earth pushing in toward the structure? Ive seen shipping containers colapse in. I was just curious how your cellar was holding up.
So far so good. We put some supports between the walls during the compaction of the soil and allowed the wood to dry and become rigid before removing them👍
Very nicely done, I think you are good with this wood build underground as you said, no direct contact with the earth and moisture. You made it look so easy, the machinery was an obvious large help in that. Manage the moisture and the insects going forward and thanks for the video, well thought through design.
Whilst I love your construction and detail! It wouldn't work in most parts of Australia! Here, it's termites!!! An example? Most timber even if treated is not warranted or guaranteed above the tropic of Capricorn! Picture yourself going for a working holiday in some of the Northern mines here! You have a magnificent AIRFLIGHT CARAVAN/CAMPER to live in for even just 3 months? You jack the van up nice and level, so the van is solid walking around inside! Springs not under compression, wheels and tyres are say 4 inches off the ground? You will find our Northern terminates will build up dirt to the tyres and eat them!! Even massive tyres off these massive trucks? Leave them on the ground? The termites eat them!!😮
What would eat termites? Maybe free-range guineas and chickens?
@@evelynwaugh4053
I’ve trained my koalas to eat the termites...
LouiseAustralia 🦘
Use stones, you got plenty of them)
In Eastern Europe, in root cellars, we use boric acid against small insects. Just put it in the corners, that's it. Its working.
Have you tried it against your terminators?))
@@jonasjonaitis2949 I'm sure these Northern Australian Termites must have tungsten teeth? Lol
Hi, my husband and I recently purchased property in the Ozarks of Arkansas. Beautiful people and mountain views. Your cellar is fantastic. Thank you for sharing with us.
Howdy neighbor
Looks like a bear proof door. A+ Curious, how do you plan on running electrical in?
Thanks. Great tutorial. You will know in 20 years how well your ideas hold up! 😊
It looks well thought through scientifically, and should prove to be effective. ***
I am glad to see your door opening inward.
Too many open outward. If in bad storm trees, debris, or house beams fall across door, occupants are trapped. Whereas inward upening, they can open, and escape.
Your welcome! If it lasts between 5 and 10 years it will have served its purpose. Someday we might excavate it out and pour steel reinforced concrete around and over it. 👍
Hay is not only for erosion control buy also to keep birds from eating the seeds before they sprout
And to keep the soil moist while the seeds sprout. and protect the tiny early seedlings coming up from weather and animals.
Solid boys, hard workers!
Don’t like to see the soil up against the structure, but hoping for the best !
Well, I don’t know how I missed the whole roofing section from the first two videos?
OK, I have to explain that I feel like I have a paranoia about not having more than one exit out. Maybe you guys will solve that. I don’t know if it’s going to be a bear or a human or what that might be blocking your entrance? It could be even a downed tree. I guess potentially you could have a gun and bullets and a chainsaw if you have to cut your way out. OK just me talking.
Future drainage, look into Multi-Flow drainage tile. It covers more surface area to help draw more water away.
Will do
Less than 2K!? That's really hard to believe!
After Covid, building materials and labor has skyrocketed and has yet to come down.
If you didn't notice, he had his own sawmill & ceder tree's for lumber
I truly hope that Americans don't get any dumber than they currently are
@@jamesmedina2119 Don't forget the kids for labor and the heavy equipment is his as well so no need to rent or pay someone to run it.
This was my thought. "So he got a second mortgage and sold his youngest child for the lumber to build a shelter?"
Absolutely beautiful. I can't wait to build one of these on my homestead.
What are the dimensions of the main part of the root cellar, and hallway. Thanks
The cellar is 10x20x8’ tall exterior dimension and the hall is 4x10 plus the wing walls
Thanks
What a beautiful project! True hands-on hard work to make a wonderful product!
I designed homes with a wooden foundation up here in Michigan. Your structure should work, although I would have used treated lumber. But after about 10 to 12 years, you're going to have some issues.
What issues
This was a joy to watch. Several generations working together and using so many amazing tools/machines to build a high quality structure.
@@garystew2077 Thank you Gary, I’m glad you enjoyed it.
Really Dad you called them Still Stupid after they worked their asses off helping you--GEEZ
We aren’t a bunch of sensitive snowflakes around here. I’m sure theres a safe space somewhere for you to hide.
@@tickcreekranch Bravo my good man... This comment alone is worthy of a sub!
Bless'ns, Tedd
youtube makes this look easy and fun
it's definitely not easy
and it's only fun sometimes
great video though, I loved watching the process
Overbuilt,cheap,all the details done well and I love it!
The door could swell with humidity or get blocked debris,a cordless chainsaw and light could be stored inside.
Again well done and a new follower!
Awesome, thanks!
Sr. Increible trabajo, enhorabuena!. Permítame hacer dos preguntas, a vd que es experto : porqué no se hace un túnel desde la casa al refugio, para estar más a salvo en caso de emergencia?. Este refugio les sirve en caso de inundaciones en el área? Gracias
The tunnel would be a large undertaking that we don’t have the resources for at this time, but a great idea. The cellar is built into a hillside so flooding isn’t a major concern. Thanks
Thanks for the play by play. Looking forward to putting one in.
Craftsman! You don’t see that much anymore. I don’t know much about root sellers but you can bet your ass that’s a good one! Great Job guys!
Thanks Blair
My goodness. Fantastic quality your fellers are doing. Boy. Feeling embarrassed. This is the coolest thing ever!
quick lime was used to pull moisture out of the air back in victorian times you gotta be careful what you put it in as its extremely corrosive..... sometimes its handy knowing what the old timers did as it could come of some use if not to you maybe someone else........
I just happened onto this video and glad I did!!! Love watching craftsmen do their work. Very well made, beautiful, practical structure!! With the way the weather is now days, I hope you never have to use it as a storm shelter but I have no doubt you would be safe inside. Had to giggle with the "they're still stupid" comment!!! Anyone working with young adults completely understands!!! I'm sure they will grow into their smarts soon!!! LOL
Hey, welcome! Thanks for the visit. If the cellar lasts 10 years it will have served its purpose. Any more than that is just icing on the cake. As to the “words of encouragement” we rib each other around here pretty good. We don’t have “safe spaces” around here. It’s a….lets just call it a “non modern parenting technique”. lol
@@tickcreekranch Same with our family... we have a very "sarcastic" sense of humor--we're all First Responders--fire. police and EMS!! But our kids give back as good as they take! Keeps it fun!!!
This was an awesome build. Any chance of an update video to show us how it’s coming along/doing?
Wow looks amazing I would add some folding chairs and a portable toilet and a couple cases of water in there during tornado season in case your in there for hours
Absolutely amazing build, man you guys have skills, impeccable work, we need more skilled laborers, every detail from the drain to the erosion barrier, lol. My first time in Tick Creek, I’ll be re visiting , thank you so much for showing pride in your craftsmanship and sharing , God Bless You 🇺🇸
Welcome! Thank you Tamara! Hopefully see you around again 👍
That is one skookum root cellar. The one in my dad's house is about a third that big and just built under the addition. Cheers from western Alberta.
@@barley12girl skookum! Haven’t heard that in over 30 years lol. Thank you
Love it!! Wise concept. I hope it serves you well for years to come, and that you necer need it as a tornado shelter.
Beautiful joinery work ! impressive. Lot of commitment to quality work. Well done!
Very nice it’s cool to have your own will to make real 4x4 s etc
Very good presentation and craftmanship, stay safe during tornadoes and other natural disasters
So nice. Hard to find men like this I think. Awesome work!❤✅️🇺🇸💪
A really nice job! Everyone should have a shelter/root cellar for their home. Too bad most folks these days do not consider all that nature can throw at them. Living in Florida, we KNOW what nature can have in store for us. The smart ones of us build accordingly. Everyone else just watches as their homes are destroyed by nature. Again, thanks so much for the video.
Just imagining the smell of the completed project, love me some Cedar.
It smells amazing in there👍
Gosh darn it that is so cool. I am looking at doing my root cellar with that style but I don’t have a sawmill, grew up with one and now life is so sad without one… ok dumb that was amazing
Woodland mills are super affordable and well built (just saying). Man can’t live without a mill, well I can’t anyway:)
Very impressive build. A root cellar is on my list of things to get accomplished. I gathered some good ideas from your video. Fine Craftsmanship that is in short supply these days.
Love the way you guys bust on each other. Reminds me of me and my dad
Thanks Rick! There’s definitely better building techniques for a root celler, but this is what we could afford, and it was readily available. Yeah, we bust chops around here pretty good. No safe spaces lol
Great video. I think a good idea for ventilation would be to run a 4" pipe (maybe 4" stove pipe for better heat transfer?) all the way around the bottom of the trench, outside the structure, then have one end vent into the structure and the other end open to the outside at ground level. That way in the summer maybe your incoming air will get cooled and hopefully dehumidified a bit before it even enters the part your trying to climate control.