@@Outpost_76 It is no surprise that mass produced m390 is showing lesser than D-2. M390 requires precise and fast heat treat. It is almost impossible to batch heat treat it and get optimal results. Many a custom maker makes outstanding m390-20cv and 240 knives. The first knives out of the rack and quenched will be fine. However, in batch heat-treating, not all blades get quenched at the same time. there are ways to do it, but that is an issue in and of itself. Now about D-2. D-2 is an outstanding steel. Sadly, it is gaining a bad rep due to the bad heat treat, and poor quality of Chinese steels in general. True D-2 from reputable manufactures, and properly heat treated is a very good steel. Sadly, almost all test shown on utube are almost exclusively Chinese copies of or D-2 that vary in the steels make up and quality. It is dead wrong to assume that D-2 is a lesser steel compared to many of todays mid grade steels. On a side note, S30v was developed to be a higher rust resistant steel that compares to D-2. Due to it being slightly more brittle, S35v was developed. However, it is less able to hold an edge than S30v. So yes, Genuine and properly heat treated D-2 can hold its own against S35V easily, and often bypasses it. No mystery there. Sadly, it also can surpass improperly heat treated M390 while M390 knives cost substantially more. We are NOT many times getting what we pay our hard earned money for. I now for the most part avoid M390 unless by a competent Maker. Custom or Manufacturer. D-2 from several U.S. companies such as Crucible, Carpenter and Austrian such as Bohler and Krupt in Germany are outstanding. Chines D-2 can be almost anything from just about anywhere, with the Chrome content being under or up to 12% being the guiding factor. Not what we are concerned with whatsoever KnifeMaker
I was gifted a civivi elementum And loved it. I prefer fixed blades, but a flipper is great for edc. I then purchased the petrified fish 818 and quit carrying the civivi. The handle and blade size just work better, and the action almost feels like assisted opening. Best $30 I've spent on a knife.
Thank you for this. I appreciate it when people give chinese knives a chance. People for some reason forget the US has used China to make stuff for a long time now. I love the new Petrified fish design that is advertised as K110.
Chinese quality should be evaluated objectively, but objecting to Chinese manufacturing as a whole does have some merit. Labor laws, worker exploitation, unfair market competition, human rights violations, etc. Doesn't mean they can't produce a quality product though...
I’m happy more people are taking. Price of PF now. They make some outstanding designs. Now they are using 14C28N and I’d love to see how their Heat Treat is on that.
Thank you, G. This is a win of sorts, for sure. I don't have any Petrified Fish D2, but do have some P.F. K110. I have to wonder if that blade was marked correctly? While D2 and Bohler's K110 are analogous in composition. They are not usually the same when it comes actual outcome. The reason I bring this up? Is two-fold. One: P.F. knives are now putting K110 steel on at least some of their knife models. Maybe all, going forward? Time will tell. Bohler has moved a massive sales force into China, and all of Asia. Two. While they may look alike on paper (D2 vs K110). D2 is being made by about 75 steel mills around the world, at this very moment. I don't think many people know or think about that. D2 is so popular, so widely used, and used in all kinds of industries. That it's made fast and hard, and the specs have a tendency to get out of range, with many of the 75-ish steel manufacturers making it. A lot of scrap iron goes into making D2 steel, for sure. On the other hand. K110 is made by only one single company. Bohler. Very controlled, very experienced, and very precisely made. Now of course this does not take heat treatment out of the picture, by the blade maker, but sure does make for a better end product, and much more consistent when using a single heat-treat protocol. Moral to my story? K110 is definitely a better choice, than getting D2 products from locations other than the U.S.A, and Western Europe. People would be amazed of how much 'junk D2' is being exported from Pakistan and India, to their East. Which is China. All getting marked as 'D2', and all getting mixed in together. My suggestion would be, to test some K110 blades. My guess is, that it will test right up there with this P.F. knife you are using here. A lot of makers in China are passionate about what they do, and really do care about what they are making and presenting to the world. And Bohler is making great steel available ito them now, at very competitive prices.
This PF knife is my favorite daily . I paid it 23 euros.... So I get 3 of them . I had some problem with the screw of it when I wanted to clean it I confirm it s easy to sharp and has good rétention
Great results for that D2. I've tried looking for that company Petrified Fish but it just appeared in different stores but no original store could I find about a year ago.
i have had a Petrified Fish mako knife for a couple of months now and it over performs in all aspects, i have just ordered a second one because i think they are such a good buy that i don't believe they will stay at this price point but also don't want to not be able to lose this great knife and will not be able to order another one... best ever (and i have a lot of knbives theat are a lot more expensive.....)
This is only the second one that's done this well. 1 Rat 1 hit 160 feet and Benchmade did 137. Most others peak at around 120 for good production D2 and the majority are around 100 feet or less.
Thanks for showing us the truth about knife steels. Didn't your recent test on USA buck 420 almost measure up to average d2. Interesting, me thinks were being hoodooed. Lol
Yes and Steve also ran some 420 a year ago and got about what I did. I'd love to see more use and sharpen all kinds of steels to see what they actually do rather than cherry pick posts that say what they want to hear.
Not sure if it's ganzo cause I'm in Australia and I can always get Ganzos sent off Ali express but have not been able to buy a petrified fish knife from Ali, wanted the 919, tried a few others but no luck. Not saying it isn't ganzo but yer. Cheers
I have a pettified fish pf818 and recently lost my ganzo fh91 witch I hope I find it soon because the ganzo did better than both of these. My best knife I have is a Kershaw link 20cv
I'm not a fan of China d2. And I know for a fact I've been pointing that out to comments in many ganzo videos of how bad they are. Perhaps they decided to change there profile and get a professional involved in making a better heat treatment. USA d2 is capable of s35vn edge retention performance and some of them like Carothers, Krein and Doizer have above average toughness and edge stability. I see ganzo changing to less clones which is nice but I don't think they stopped completely. I will still never buy one due to them not caring about it in the past. If they make a better product that's an original design and make it affordable that's better for there client base. But the clones need to come full stop.
From past testing and PMI scans the China D2 is watered down. I think this juat happened to be a batch that was better in composition as well as heat treat. If I can get loaners I'd test it more but I'm not buying any to find out. I'm so past D2 and I have another video coming this week that further drives that home.
At least Ganzo never tryes to pass them on as the real deal, theres often big differences in construction and they allways brand with Ganzo logo. I must admit i buy some branded copy knives, when they exeed the quality of the original, i allways buy the best, i Would never buy original benchmade, because of their qc,
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Aliexpress is going to have that PF on sale for $23 on Veteran's Day. Would be cheap Christmas presents.
Both of those beat my Lionsteel! One of them crushed my Lionsteel! You can't make this stuff up! Great test and thank you for the video.
It's pretty bad when M390 can't hang. You're welcome.
@@Outpost_76 It is no surprise that mass produced m390 is showing lesser than D-2. M390 requires precise and fast heat treat. It is almost impossible to batch heat treat it and get optimal results. Many a custom maker makes outstanding m390-20cv and 240 knives. The first knives out of the rack and quenched will be fine. However, in batch heat-treating, not all blades get quenched at the same time. there are ways to do it, but that is an issue in and of itself.
Now about D-2. D-2 is an outstanding steel. Sadly, it is gaining a bad rep due to the bad heat treat, and poor quality of Chinese steels in general. True D-2 from reputable manufactures, and properly heat treated is a very good steel. Sadly, almost all test shown on utube are almost exclusively Chinese copies of or D-2 that vary in the steels make up and quality. It is dead wrong to assume that D-2 is a lesser steel compared to many of todays mid grade steels.
On a side note, S30v was developed to be a higher rust resistant steel that compares to D-2. Due to it being slightly more brittle, S35v was developed. However, it is less able to hold an edge than S30v. So yes, Genuine and properly heat treated D-2 can hold its own against S35V easily, and often bypasses it. No mystery there.
Sadly, it also can surpass improperly heat treated M390 while M390 knives cost substantially more. We are NOT many times getting what we pay our hard earned money for. I now for the most part avoid M390 unless by a competent Maker. Custom or Manufacturer.
D-2 from several U.S. companies such as Crucible, Carpenter and Austrian such as Bohler and Krupt in Germany are outstanding. Chines D-2 can be almost anything from just about anywhere, with the Chrome content being under or up to 12% being the guiding factor. Not what we are concerned with whatsoever
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I was gifted a civivi elementum And loved it. I prefer fixed blades, but a flipper is great for edc. I then purchased the petrified fish 818 and quit carrying the civivi. The handle and blade size just work better, and the action almost feels like assisted opening. Best $30 I've spent on a knife.
Thank you for this. I appreciate it when people give chinese knives a chance. People for some reason forget the US has used China to make stuff for a long time now. I love the new Petrified fish design that is advertised as K110.
Chinese quality should be evaluated objectively, but objecting to Chinese manufacturing as a whole does have some merit. Labor laws, worker exploitation, unfair market competition, human rights violations, etc. Doesn't mean they can't produce a quality product though...
I think it's really good of you to be testing these for the budget minded people. Yup.
I have plenty more coming as well as budget strop making.
@@Outpost_76 cant wait to see that one.
I'd seen the PF brand but I hadn't seen anyone test it. I wasn't aware Lee was PMI testing again, that's good to hear.
I’m happy more people are taking. Price of PF now. They make some outstanding designs. Now they are using 14C28N and I’d love to see how their Heat Treat is on that.
Thank you, G.
This is a win of sorts, for sure.
I don't have any Petrified Fish D2, but do have some P.F. K110.
I have to wonder if that blade was marked correctly? While D2 and Bohler's K110 are analogous in composition. They are not usually the same when it comes actual outcome.
The reason I bring this up? Is two-fold. One: P.F. knives are now putting K110 steel on at least some of their knife models. Maybe all, going forward? Time will tell.
Bohler has moved a massive sales force into China, and all of Asia.
Two. While they may look alike on paper (D2 vs K110). D2 is being made by about 75 steel mills around the world, at this very moment. I don't think many people know or think about that. D2 is so popular, so widely used, and used in all kinds of industries. That it's made fast and hard, and the specs have a tendency to get out of range, with many of the 75-ish steel manufacturers making it. A lot of scrap iron goes into making D2 steel, for sure.
On the other hand. K110 is made by only one single company. Bohler. Very controlled, very experienced, and very precisely made. Now of course this does not take heat treatment out of the picture, by the blade maker, but sure does make for a better end product, and much more consistent when using a single heat-treat protocol.
Moral to my story? K110 is definitely a better choice, than getting D2 products from locations other than the U.S.A, and Western Europe. People would be amazed of how much 'junk D2' is being exported from Pakistan and India, to their East. Which is China. All getting marked as 'D2', and all getting mixed in together.
My suggestion would be, to test some K110 blades. My guess is, that it will test right up there with this P.F. knife you are using here. A lot of makers in China are passionate about what they do, and really do care about what they are making and presenting to the world. And Bohler is making great steel available ito them now, at very competitive prices.
A lot of the PMI scans show just that, D2 with low composition of elements. Some are lacking enough I'm not sure it should still be labeled as D2.
This PF knife is my favorite daily .
I paid it 23 euros....
So I get 3 of them .
I had some problem with the screw of it when I wanted to clean it
I confirm it s easy to sharp and has good rétention
I do really like this one
Great results for that D2. I've tried looking for that company Petrified Fish but it just appeared in different stores but no original store could I find about a year ago.
Thanks for sharing and keep up the great work.
i have had a Petrified Fish mako knife for a couple of months now and it over performs in all aspects, i have just ordered a second one because i think they are such a good buy that i don't believe they will stay at this price point but also don't want to not be able to lose this great knife and will not be able to order another one... best ever (and i have a lot of knbives theat are a lot more expensive.....)
Nice to see another tester get their hands on some of that unicorn production D2
This is only the second one that's done this well. 1 Rat 1 hit 160 feet and Benchmade did 137. Most others peak at around 120 for good production D2 and the majority are around 100 feet or less.
Nice work with this review!
Thanks for showing us the truth about knife steels. Didn't your recent test on USA buck 420 almost measure up to average d2. Interesting, me thinks were being hoodooed. Lol
Yes and Steve also ran some 420 a year ago and got about what I did. I'd love to see more use and sharpen all kinds of steels to see what they actually do rather than cherry pick posts that say what they want to hear.
Cheers, nice 1.👍 Up
Not sure if it's ganzo cause I'm in Australia and I can always get Ganzos sent off Ali express but have not been able to buy a petrified fish knife from Ali, wanted the 919, tried a few others but no luck. Not saying it isn't ganzo but yer. Cheers
Hope you'll test another pf.
I have a pettified fish pf818 and recently lost my ganzo fh91 witch I hope I find it soon because the ganzo did better than both of these. My best knife I have is a Kershaw link 20cv
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For d2 knives ganzo is the best, then petrified fish, then lastly is civivi
Try 17 degrees I think it might help
While that's possible I test as many as I can at 15 dps for a direct comparison.
Have you tested PF K110?
I have not, I'll test one when I get a chance to.
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I'm not a fan of China d2. And I know for a fact I've been pointing that out to comments in many ganzo videos of how bad they are. Perhaps they decided to change there profile and get a professional involved in making a better heat treatment. USA d2 is capable of s35vn edge retention performance and some of them like Carothers, Krein and Doizer have above average toughness and edge stability. I see ganzo changing to less clones which is nice but I don't think they stopped completely. I will still never buy one due to them not caring about it in the past. If they make a better product that's an original design and make it affordable that's better for there client base. But the clones need to come full stop.
From past testing and PMI scans the China D2 is watered down. I think this juat happened to be a batch that was better in composition as well as heat treat. If I can get loaners I'd test it more but I'm not buying any to find out. I'm so past D2 and I have another video coming this week that further drives that home.
@@Outpost_76 we knives, ch knife, twosun etc all use bohler k110 for d2 steel.
@@tacticalcenter8658 never seen a k110 two sun knife, d2 yup as of last month.
At least Ganzo never tryes to pass them on as the real deal, theres often big differences in construction and they allways brand with Ganzo logo. I must admit i buy some branded copy knives, when they exeed the quality of the original, i allways buy the best, i Would never buy original benchmade, because of their qc,
@@simonvolsmann I don't support clones and you shouldn't either regardless of brand you dislike or a different logo. Don't support that. It's wrong.