My BIG issue with small Gimbals // Zhiyun Crane 2 Review
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Whats your favorite Gimbal so far?
I've been wanting one for a while, but it seems all of them have drawbacks that make me wanna wait. Looks like this one is no exception, unfortunately. :(
I had the Zhiyun Crane V2, but it broke the first day of using it. Used it with my Nikon D500. But now I'm using a Moza Air and I love it.
I like my glidecam but i recently got the ronin-m. I really want a movi but both of mine work for what i need them for.
Matti, maybe just putting the motor strength option on HIGH probably the 1DX wont jiggles anymore, try that, I have one btw, for me its a great gimbal, nothing to complain
Since you changed the name of the channel, I have to learn it from the beginning - that my viewers could find it: /
False information in this video: Zhiyun released a gravity adjustment plate to accommodate the 1DX mark ii. I own both the crane, the adjustment plate and it works flawlessly.
Also - you said you don't want to "battle" with a tool - it should just work? In what universe does anything work right out of the box? Not even glidecams work immediately; hell, you have to BUILD the glidecam before you can even use it. You should have taken your time and balanced it properly to avoid the nodding. You're doing a big disservice to this company by not having followed the instructions, and presenting the product to the masses as if it's faulty or defective. The crane isn't faulty, your *"let me throw it on and NOT balance it or change the motor settings"* mentality is faulty. To any 1DX people reading this, I own this setup with a 1DX and if you balance it like you're supposed to do before shooting, it will work just fine. No nods or defects. I'm just upset becuase this is the first company in a long time that's actually taken the time to listen to its customers, and change what needs to be changed; i.e. the 1DX not originally fitting on the crane, so they made a new adjustment plate to accommodate. I like your channel, but you shouldn't review anything until you have actually done your research. It's not fair to these companies who are doing their best to help consumers like you. I'm sure you wouldn't like that to be done to you with your company/ luts/clothing biz or whatever else you offer.
Seth Alexander 👏👏👏👏
Seth Alexander totally agree with you. Really bad video from Mattie this time. It just shows that he didn't reallly bother to use time to get to know the product before reviewing it. I just hope at least that he takes his time to read here.
Well said bro....you have to spent some time....especially when you prefer glidecam than anything else
well, you just did a service to zhyiun...I didn't know about the gravity adjustment plate but just learned about it through your post and ordered one..thanks!
I know, when he said "I heard it can accomodate the IDX", i was like....dude why didn't you try and verify before making the video. lol
Like other people said, you've to change the motor settings for heavy cameras, takes 5 seconds to do in the menu. I can use my RED Scarlet-W on this Crane 2, so a 1DX shouldn't be a problem. And you can buy a dual handle for the crane 2, works really well.
Love ya matti buuut, you gotta dig in more. Firstly, zhiyun makes a new gravity arm for the crane 2 that is longer for the 1dx. Second, that nod only comes when the motor setting is not turned to strong, and/or you’re not balanced. Here’s a pic of my 1dxii on the crane 2 with a canon 85mm 1.2 lens! No wobble at all! instagram.com/p/BfaNG6-BJZ6/
Thanks for the insight!
Yep! I had the same issue on a Sony A6000.
Totally agree and I’m a fan Matti, but your video just felt like you didn’t want to like it before you tried it. Not to mention the there are accessories now that make the the ixd 2 easy to put on. Also crane 2 is easy to use with the handle on top which is simply not possible with the glide cam. You didn’t even mention advantages like that. I get you like what you like but I enjoy your reviews when they are more comprehensive. Still a fan though and your videos are great!
Yeah, I just bought one and the first thing I did was change the motor setting to the strongest setting.
Yeah, I think he didn't have it really balanced. He seemed to have it pendulumed so the weight was just at the bottom, not centered. Nice big gimbal but my entry level DSLR is too light for the Crane 2 or glide cams. The V2 is a better fit. I guess the glide cam is a better fit for the OP's style.
@matti - Zhiyun made an extension arm specifically for the 1dxmk2. You also have to adjust the settings to "Strong" to get it to handle the 1dx mkii, it handles my c100 just fine and it is a bit heavier. I hate to be critical of your review - but you really should learn the tool first prior to review. Also the dual handle makes this tool better than the Ronin-M in my opinion.
C100 mark I or mark II? And what lens do you usually use with that setup? I have a C100 mark II (and would probably use my Canon 24-70 F2.8 mark II with it) and have been contemplating this gimbal but wasn't sure how it would handle my camera and lens setup. Thoughts?
I have it on with a 35mm 1.4 and I have gotten it on with the 24-70 mk i. It works because the camera is back heavy enough to allow it to balance sufficiently. The main issue with this setup is more about adjusting the aperture, focus, and overall settings while in use as you will not be able to balance this setup with the grip on the body. For the c100 mk I, the focus dial and controls do not work. I do not know how they will function for the mkii, but I am going to have to purchase a grip relocator and devise a way to wire it to the camera.
Robert Armstead totally agree mate, the guy always does reviews like he knows what he is talking about tough its obvious he hasn't really used it and haven't even bothered to lookup stuff he had issues with (mostly because lack of knowledge or experience) and states stuff that ain't true. I remember his gh5 review.. was about the same.
Ferencz Török... Or the spark review. Said camera isn't good but didn't test it really. This dude does everything for the clicks without real content. I think he rents the stuff just for 1 day
Great video Matti! I think you need to download the app and change the motor settings from "weak" to "strong" in order to get rid of the "nodding."
Confused... If you don't like the whole stick on bottom and cam on top, why don't you just undersling it? It's way more efficient and stable. I've never rocked with these with the cam on top.
Did you have the power set to high? I use the Crane 2 with a heavy Sony PXW Z 90 without any problem. The dual handle accessory is really useful though. It's impossible to use with one hand.
Hey Matti - Looks like others have told you about putting the motor setting to "High" and the 1DXII adjustment plate. I'd recommend Voosestore in Sweden to get the 1DXII adjustment plate. It got to me here in the States in under a week, which is faster than most that I've heard of! Hope that helps - the Crane 2 and 1DXII are a great combination!
I use both the Glidecam HD 2000 and Zhiyun crane. Different tools for different jobs, but I find myself gravitating towards the gimbal almost every time because it's so much lighter and easier to keep balanced.
I have Glidecam HD-2000 and Zhiyun Crane 2. I'm not a very experienced user of Glidecam, but after all the times I used it, I can say that's really difficult to balance it, especially with big lenses. You should put extra weight to balance this thing, and it gets too heavy. I also was surprised how it's easy to get smooth shoots with Zhiyun Crane 2. Balancing wasn't difficult part at all too. I like to have an ability to change the apperture, ISO, and shutter speed from a joystick. This gimbal is a really nice tool for run and gun situations like weddings. As you mentioned in one of your previous videos it's quite good in filming low angle shoots. I agree that motions looks more natural with Glidecam, but for most situations I'd choose Zhiyun Crane 2. Thanks for one more good video. :)
Awesome insights! Thanks so much for sharing 🙌🏻
Glad I wasn't alone in these thoughts. And thanks for hitting the nail on why I didn't take to it - it's the form factor of that single pole operation. Not enough control over the shot.
Very true and you still can’t beat the simplicity of a glide cam type set up.... as long as it’s not too windy!!
Matti- you can buy all sorts of accessories: shoulder plates, bicycle handles, secondary handle, mic brackets, light brackets, you can film upside down / inverted so the camera is literally on the ground. Don’t let this little Gimbal fool you it is 💯 quality
Matti - I went to Zhiyun Assistant app to my phone and connect to the gymbal. If you scroll to the bottom of the Stabilizer Settings menu, you can choose between three motor strengths: weak, medium and strong. I sent strong and no more jitter problem :).
Great review, you make a lot of good points. The glide cam does seem a bit harder to use but more dependable. Thanks :)
Yep gotta learn it first and then it’s awesome
I have been shopping for a gimbal. Thank you for sharing more thoughts on this. 👏🏻
You should also check out the Came TV gimbals. I have been using one for years and it's decent :)
Yea it’s definitely a good option!
1) You need the Gravity adjustment plate for dx1. 2) You can get dual grip handle if you need dual grip. 3) Do research first Matti
Never had any Problems with my Moza Air
love this Gimbal and never want to miss it in my workflow
Yea it’s awesome!
I hope you will spend more time with it and give us an update video if you get the 1DX balanced correctly.
AWESOME video, Matti! Thank you so much for the info.
Had the same Trouble with a 7D and a heavy Sigma lens... Learned we had to change the motor strength to high and the "nodding" stopped. Maybe this is the problem?
Matti, I'm lost. Why do a review on gimbals when you admit that you didn't take the time to balance it (but admitted that it takes time to learn how to balance and use a Glidecam), and most importantly, you said you don't even like gimbals in your Glidecam video. Why even do a review????? I love your channel and I've been a subscriber for a few years, so not being negative. But this just sounded like a gimbal bashing video. Oh, and they make handles for people that need two hands to turn it. IJS.
or buy a Movi?
That was the same with the spark. Didn't really test it but said it's not good and stuff like that. Pff. That dude is just a click baiter
Not a bad point, but I think he's testing it against what he's willing to spend on setup. It sounded like he was willing to spend just a moment balancing it, but not a bunch of time fine tuning. In that sense, it's not about whether the product works at all, but a matter of how well it fits his chosen workflow.
this guy sometimes talk from his ass just to fill content like every other youtuber and thats hella fine... I had better experience with home made glidecams than the most expensives gimbals sometimes things doesnt work okay.,.. with some you are juts more comfortable... peace :)
I used the 2 minute intro-commercial to read your comment. Definitely a better use of my time. I haven't seen this guy before and I don't want to be rude, but he instantly comes across as someone who will do anything for views.
Great vid. I use the Beholder right now, but I want something different as it hasn't been perfect.
Love your editing. The beginning b roll is always top notch. Great video.
Matti, like your videos, but the Crane 2 is absolutely awesome! Use it also with the dual handle and 7" field monitor; it´s just creazy fun with amazing results!
Same thing was happening to me with the 'nodding'. Go into the menu on the gimbal itself and increase the strength to the highest setting. That worked for me.
There is a low, med, high settings in the gimbal menu, you need to change it to fit the camera weight you are putting on the gimbal. And don't need to do any difficult tuning.
exactly! then it stops nodding ☺️
I have the Crane Plus, absolutely beautiful equipment!
Christopher knutsen - check out : TheHybridShooter that guy can tell you what cameras fit which Gimbal. Just ask in his latest video, he responds lightning quick
I agree with you and mine is shaking horizontally. the smell ducks too due to cheap material used in manufacturing
I have the same issue with twisting the handle to get a nice rotating shot. It's really hard to master that and I definitely do wish there was a better way to go about it. I hope to see companies improve the ergonomics of their gimbals soon
ThroughAlyssasEyes - hey TAE, have u tried turning it up side down? You’ll have a few more logistical issues with getting the shot itself, but the gimbal will function easier when it’s inverted as will your hands on the gimbal.
Good luck.
Yea I think it’s possible to do them but should be way easier
Come Friday I’m totally getting one of those shirts!
Use the thump on your right hand to pull the focus when shooting, you can get adjustment plate for the 1DX, you can get the dual handle for crane 2 from Zhiyuan or smaller extra handle that screws on the bottom. Thanks for your thought´s :)
I've had this nodding issue with the first crane and the sony a7sii with even small lenses, balanced properly and using small light lenses. Like you I hate not being able to trust the tool I'm relying on. Good to see as I was about to buy the 1dxii and new crane for it.
There's dual handles for the Crane 2, I like using it.
For the case smell: if you leave it open for a day or two, the smell will go away. I had the same issue with my drone case, but after two days the smell disappeared and never came back (I was able to take the foam out of the hard case to really let it air out since it’s the foam that smells).
Had the same issue, but all you have to do is go into the settings and increase the strength and resistance and it will work just fine.
Love the Video Matti, but I think a way to fix the nodding problem with the camera is to make sure the motors are set to Heavy (I think that’s what’s it called) there are tree different settings for lighter cameras like Sony a6500. Maybe that will fix it. 🤷🏾♂️ I have Crane 2 too. Love the thing to pieces.
Reece Moffett hey do you know how to quickly put it back to neutral position? Like when you are in locked mode, in a very slow joystick control rate and you made a mistake and want to do it again, how can I revert it back to the neutral position?
amazing shot!
Great review. I was considering this gimbal but I think even I would choose the glidecam over this. Thanks, Matti!
Great review Matti! I totally agree it's all about preference, style and your gear. For me I've tried out glidecams and the like, but balancing is way to time consuming to be a useful tool (for me). The Crane really simplifies it all for me and lets me get great shots without a ton of practice.
i use an 80D With 24-70L and battery grip and the extended arm rode mic and occasionally an led with hot shoe mount and no problem or jitter i would flip it upside down for low shots and still perfect they also have a remote as well with the dual handle you can use the dual handle different ways
Got to change the logo!!
Happy for you!!!
Thanx man love your content!!
Yea I’m just making sure people know it me haha
Thanks Sir.
I have a GH4, apurture lens regain and a sigma 18-35 and I also have issue with the nodding you mention at 4:25. I am not sure but I think it is because we havent balanced our cameras perfectly. I seems that due to the fact that our setup are quite towards the end of the weight limit it is even more important to balance it perfectly.
Thanks for the video!
Good work! On your 6D what lens do you have? Thanks!!
Oh ! So great timing ! I'm asking me if I bought one of it ! Great video bro 👌
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I need either but don't have the money. Guess it's handheld for me. Good thing is I'm getting pretty good at stable handheld shots
Matti I had the same problem, it got fixed by adjusting the strenght of the motors, changing to strong level for a more heavy set up and bring it down to medium or low to a lighter camera, you should try that, best
Just got my Glidecam! Can't wait to take it out for a spin 😁✌
I think a lot of folks in the travel space jump to get bigger tools like gimbals, without considering that the extra weight and size of these tools will make them less likely to film. If you're just starting out I think it's all about working on telling a good story with a simple tool kit. The buttery smooth footage can come later
Yep that’s definitely true also
Had the choice between this and the iFootage Wildcat III (manual) went with the later. Thanks!
Very informative review, thanks!
Great review! Many thanks.
When you tested the 1dx did you change the payload weight setting to high? it shakes if the weight load is set too light or heavy.
If anyone else reads this you can get dual handles with it which i like because you have the option of a smaller or larger setup which is good for travelling. In regards to the case i didn't notice any smell.
Hey Matti Love your videos! Gimbals have come a long way and there are many options for holding them now. Just got to dive in and take a closer look at other brands and options.
I know you love that Glide cam but you invested a ton of time learning how to use it. Gimbals are just another tool that takes time learning how to get the most out of it!
Following you to a million!
Cheers!
THANK YOU! This is what I wanted to hear.
they have a handheld grip for crane 2, really handy and you can even attach a monitor on the side, try it out
What about the dual handle accessory? Have you tried that? It might satisfy your need for different holding options.
Crispy shots! Keep it up!
Nice work dude!
Thanks man 😊
Love your content, but you really dropped the ball on this one Matti. All of your issues with the product have been resolved by either the company or 3rd party manufacturers. And if you want a different form factor there is the Ronin line from dji. This is like the 3rd(?) "I hate gimbles" video in only a few months. You already know your solution, stick to the glide cam.
Or be willing to put in the practice needed with any new tool
they make a longer plate for the 1DX on the crane 2 now!
Matti, the NODDING from the gimbal is an extremely easy fix. When i first purchased this gimbal, i had this problem too, but all it took was a little research to figure out. All you have to do is go into the Zhiyun Assistant app, and change it. The factory settings of the gimbal’s motors are set to “weak,” you have to connect your phone to the the gimbal through the app, and manually set the motors to “strong.”
Did you make sure you had the crane set to the 'strong' setting, which would be needed with the weight of your camera.
Congratulations dude
Nice work Matti!
Have you updated firmware? This is the reason why it was nodding
Try Zhiyun Crane Plus or on the mobile app for the crane you have to change it for heavy cameras to stop the jiggle
I use my 6d mark ii with battery grip on Crane 2, and it's totally fine. It doesn't shake at al
P.s. my case doesn't smell bad either🤣😉
I have one! I love it!
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So you didn't tune it?? Really? Just a few steps and done, you have a stabilized 1dx
That's why I'm getting the ronin s, it seems to correct all of these flaws from other gimbals such as the zhiyun crane 2.
Hi Matti, your work is legendary, i love the name change
I want this but I think I'm going to hold out for the Ronin-S. Great review though!
Hi Matti- I have this same gimbal that I've been learning to use and I have found the stabilizing arms for the crane 2 to be quite helpful. I had to buy them separately but you get them on Amazon and they come with a remote you can place close to your hand. Maybe that would better suit your needs.
Can you please do a studio tour, or how I film my videos!
LMAO at the case smell😂I have the Crane 2 and I haven't experienced that nod. There is a facebook group for cranes with tons of answers for solutions for these kinds of problems. It can be accomplished with your setup tho.There are dual handle options for that gimbal. Zhiyun has also been releasing a lot of different handles that are looking to answer your request of different ways of holding and operating the gimbal. Great vid Awesome gimbal. I love this thing! Also looking forward to what DJI will bring to the table with the Ronin-S
Great work thank you
there are side handles that you can attach if you dont like the big stick feel
Frick it. I’m buying the crane over the glidecam
did u try the high motor setting?
Can you get your hands on Tilta G2X? It seems it can support C200, so it should hold 1dx2 as well. It also has an option of adding an extra handle via rosette so the way you can hold it is improved comparing to other pistol grip gimbals.
Hey matti could you make a glidecam setup and camera flying tips?
Step 1 get Gravity adjustment plate for heavy cams then Step 2 Please install Zhiyun assistant app and choose stabiliser settings and you choose 'strong" you can avoid that shakes....also calibrate with calibration settings in the same app...usual app is zhiyun play....Thanks bro...love your videos...
thanks so much you all your content has been very helpfull
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I pair the Crane Pro with a 5Dmkiii w/ 24‑105mm lens and it is a VERY TIGHT squeeze and I have to be SUPER careful when I flip around because this combination "works" but it's seriously pushing the weight and size limits. I have to use the most extreme arm positions to balance. I've also gotten the nodding he's talking about, but I just power off and then it's fine again. Incredible footage though!
I think they are great for lightweight cameras. I have a Nikon D5500, which is a very light DSLR. The MOZA Air 3-axis gimbal is very small and compact as well. Its a good setup for me.
Same here it jitters - watched one being used at an event I was filming - not impressed - and that was with a 80D. Took to long to balance - it's a pain.
Hey Matti, u should try the handlebar attachment for the gimbal. Makes rotating shots much easier.
Gordon Campbell agreed
Hey Matti I would check out the Kylin M from Snoppa. The best thing about it is that the handle rotates so that your not holding it straight. And for bigger cameras they have the Kylin Pro, dual handle stabilizer with better features than the ronin M
What about the optional handles for it? It is for two hands...
i was wondering if the smell of the case was the BIG issue
We use a Steadicam type stabilizer too but a gimbal would be nice for small spaces where larger systems don't fit
I’ve been using this gimbal for 3 years now. Still works, but I’m looking at other options. I film dancers and i find it hard to film a long piece without it losing a little balance or fidgeting another direction(I have a 6d +24-105mm)
really helpful video matti! GREAT :)
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I see your point with the form factor, but all the changes you wanna have would make the gimbal bigger and for that you already could use a Ronin or some of the extensions... For me it´s build like this because it´s super smal and easy to transport like this
The form factor in all gimbals (regarding phones) is why I never bought a gimbal for my cell phone. All were the same and then...Freefly Movi came out with the beast! Super excited to get one!
Thank you Matti haapoya what should I uses for real estate videos?
I noticed at times you were holding it at an angle. I have the original Crane and it seems to work the best when you hold it perfectly vertical.