@@hobosnake1 yea but it will be to late, to buggy, rollbacky, is not just this change ironamce have made so many mistakes over the years that's is umberable right now.
@@hobosnake1 they actually wont believe it or not. the only way it changes is if terrance takes control of the game and sdf is fired. sdf said this change was intentional and this is his vision of the game. gear will never feel impactful ever again if sdf remains the lead game design.
Absolutely horrible patch. Came back after a week of work to an inventory of worthless loot. Matches are just barbs W keying and one tapping people. Played for about 2 hours and stopped. Won’t be returning if it stays like this.
3500 Hours and I couldnt get enough of this game before the patch.. now I hardly want to even log in to check my auctions.. Theres just really no point to even play ESPECIALLY when arena ends again. There will be literally no reason to log in
graysun is a literal clown. Less swings to kill someone means less actions in a fight. Less actions in a fight means less actions to show "skill based plays". Its just a fact in every game. This game is not a tactical shooter. One shot headshot ttk does not work for a medieval melee based game at all. The devs are just brain dead seeing how they made these changes and buffed barb like this.
They want fast ttk without having mechanics to add skil to the fights Mordhau has a fast TTK you die in 3 hits. You also have many mechanics Morphs, feints, chambers, drags, accels, buffering, matrix, kicks. And all those mechanics can be combined together to fake out your opponent Dark and darker has none of this and is not a skill expression game MAKE GEAR GREAT AGAIN
Couldnt agree more Todd, Ive been “trying out” the patch and no matter how much “skill” i express i just get 1-2 tapped and it feels bad. I know something is truly wrong tho because i fee bad even when i win because theres no reward.
Its the no reward part that messes it up for me. I feel like gear mattered a tad too much before patch 69, but now it matters too little. A middleground would be good.
It doesn't feel good because you don't have that back and forth of blocking/dodging/countering. When you drop someone now it's like, "phew, good thing I touched them first, on to the next thing I guess."
Gear isn't a clear advantage if there's separate lobbies. Squire gear fights squire gear in 24s. Low gear fights low gear in 124s. Medium to high gear fights medium to high gear in 125+. Very high gear fights very high gear in HR. You pick your risk/reward ratio depending on what you have the most fun risking if you lose and the most fun receiving as a reward if you win. At no point are you picking to outgear or be outgeared. As it is currently there's very little choice for risk to reward for any players. Everyone is the same. The only thing this patch succeeded in doing is making looting and pvping both less exciting, for both the experienced and the timmies.
I started playing a couple days before the most recent wipe and already have over 100 hours, the loot system is what brought me in. I enjoyed the combat because of the idea of that gain or loss of loot at the end, it was challenging and made dying mean something. I played a lot of Mordhau and Chivalry 2 before DAD and all I can say is If I wanted to play a fantasy combat game I would just go back to one of those where the combat is more fleshed out, very sad they are pushing new and old players away. :(
My whole group has quit before i got back from my holoday. Every night i had at least 2 others to play with out of us 5. Now its just me who will give it a try, but i wont be staying without the squad
Every game that starts catering to casuals or the people who hop on for a few weeks then move on go downhill very quick. Its adamant that this is what SDF wants. Its a hardcore game, why make it easier for people who dont want to spend time and learn to get an advantage in pvp.
well. I just chased down a barb who me and my duo had a battle with and he killed me from full HP. he was at 5 out of 200. ridiculous. utterly ridiculous. he raged, turned around. and reminded me that if I don't play barb. I'm just PVE.
exactly i used to grind rust and do aim train for hours and hours to learn the recoil patterns then they changed it so then new players wouldnt be as far behind and ive never played it since
@@henriquerodrigues7795 also true! its more like 3 or 4 shot unless you mean windlasses but the pdr reduction across the board was not the way to handle this.
Nah catering to casuals is important. The problem is the devteam and the way its done. The droprate buff + a slight statsquish at the end of season wouldve been fine. Now all bis gear that they told you to farm is useless, all arenagear is useless, just when multiclass released. Whats the point of playing now?
I'm just going to ride it out. It's one patch of many, they said there's alot to come and there will be rough spots. Do I like the gear change? No I think it could be different, but I love the ttk. I'm glad the game is going back to the playtests. There's a lot they need to revert and it will take time. I want to see what they want to do and I think everyone's being over dramatic off one patch.
im sure the overdrama is happening to make a clear statement: "you've gone too far with this. dont continue this path but instead move back and think again. otherwise you will lose the majority of your player base"
I’m right there with you. I started playing a month ago so I’m pretty nooby but I’m still playing. Still looting. Still bossing. Still going to inferno and abyss. Still laughing. Still having fun with friends. My only concern is why they would reduce HP by 15 and give Barbarian multiple buffs. It reminds me of how OG wow development one of the devs screwed over paladins. The TTK change has forced me to by hyper alert and read PVP situations more correctly. In the span of two days my PVP decision making skills and over all skill in PVP have gotten so much better. Learning not to rush or fall back to advantageous areas etc. Just I’m not losing my cool over this. We shall see what happens. I’m hoping it all works out in the end.
@@jonpeacock3016 Tbh the barb changes were just reverting back to previous versions of the skills except the two hander change. They should have made bardiche not count as an axe again. But all the other classes are probably going to see unerfs as well. Locks got a little, wiz might see some cleric might definitely see some. This week will be interesting theyre basicaly undoing a lot of things that happend to the game over the past year.
@@saint_snow Yeah! That’s what I thought as well. That sdf person said there was a plan and it would take time. I’m not giving up yet. This game is too fun and has so much potentials. Like relationships there are ups and downs 🤷
Genuinely if they remove random rolls, it’s hardly a real extraction looter. I paid for an extraction looter, not a medieval themed PvP arena with mobs. At that point it’s hardly what was even advertised, this is damn near misleading marketing, i pretty much just want a full refund at this point…
think about it this way. when you see a purple frost amulet, you think omg nice 500 ish gold. but now that purple frost ammy has the same stats as a unique one. that should not be the case there is no reason it should be like this. at least revert this patch till a wipe bro. they ruined all our gear in our stashes MID WIPE??
Yeah I was building a no spell warlock melee build and had been saving BiS kits to jump into high roller and try it out but the patched nuked them all. I sold them for cheap on the market and only tried squire BiS and never even so much as picked up an epic or below. I don’t even spend gold on anything either. Not even meds. I just kill the first Timmy or Chad I see and steal them.
It's possible that random modifiers will be removed in favor of, say, user defined modifiers which scale with quality, or something. I don't know what the hell kick SDF is on though, so who knows?
Gear diff happens, but the fact that new people think they are gonna just start skill diffing people without learning all the ins and outs is hilarious. Im gonna skill diff you all day long with my thousands of hours. I know the game better, i have muscle memory to this game, 20 hours doesnt do that, gear doesnt make you good
How many times have we seen these content creators go in with crap or literally no gear, and then end up killing a gold guy with grimsmiles. I will say gear mattered too much before this patch, but now gear matters not at all. Somewhere in the middle would have been ideal. Loot being useless sucks. I dont have anything to hunt for now.
took me like 500 hours to get confortable with PVP in this game. Not good at PVP, but confortable with it. Know what to do in certain situations, what fights should i be taking and not. Those "new players" will get farmed over and over till they realize it was never gear diff (or at least 90% of the cases).
@@yothatsmanny7383 💯 doesn't matter how bad my class is nerfed or how the game changes. We're still going to be better than players with less experience. They should just make loot easier to find like they did in the previous patch.
I said this when it dropped and Ill say it again after 4.3k recorded hours I have not seen the game in a worse state. I would rather +2 true and add dmg rolls, +all , and multiclassing come back all at the same time then what we have right now.
they had to nerf copperlight sets from 1% move speed to 0.5% movespeed because barbs were too OP with it. now they just gave them free +5 adicional move speed on Rage. Dark and Darker devs are like your girlfriend when she is on those days ... except they are on those days every day, you never know what to expect from them. Which is a really, really bad sign.
I’m a new player and I found this video because I wanted to see if time investment in this game is worth it since there seems to be a lot to learn. That being said, I can say that if the vast majority of the player base has an issue, especially with a niche type of game, the devs will have to listen. I played a lot of Tarkov and as soon as people overwhelmingly got pissed, more studios took their idea and BSG began listening and made great improvements. The PVE mode alone has me always going back because if we are being honest, cheating is only ever going to get worse in any and every game with an objective to win.
I played the new patch last night and it was extremely underwhelming finding epics and legendaries. If they have bad/irrelevant rolls there is no reason to take it. I end up keeping a green with one good roll over a purple with three bad rolls
same. went to inferno a couple times today and left so many epics bc the greens i was wearing were way better and i knew i wouldnt even be able to sell it on the market place for anything more than the vendor would pay me. havent seen anything like this in other games. what in the world is happning right now xD
I love when people say, "I only have 2 hours a day to play, but people who play 8 hours have way better gear :(" No fucking shit they opened chests and killed bosses for 6 hours. They are going to have a massive advantage over you, and they deserve it.
@@gladlawson61yes they do if you spend more time in anything in life you get what you put out. Sure is it no life for that guy but I’m sure you will make more money talk to prettier woman and so forth you don’t get to have your cake and eat it too. Otherwise you get this.
To your point about how yes you are critical of the game but still obviously love it. That’s exactly how I feel about this patch. The last few months the game has been going downhill yet I still was logging like 4-5 hours a day playing by finding enjoyment in switching up my class etc etc. I was also critical, common issues like traps, panther druid etc etc but I’d rather have that ‘scuffed’ version of the game to play any day over the current patch.
I want giant changes like this is my early access game. This patch may be a giant cluster fuck but at least they're trying something huge. I honestly think it wouldn't be so bad if the game had more minor artifacts, major artifacts, and other magic items that would be worth seeking out. If you're going to do a gear squish, then make more items with magical effects and things that modify how the gear works. That's just my opinion, though.
Exactly. This game is early access and I think a lot of people got too comfortable with how the game was pre-patch. Powerful crafted weapons already in the game have already almost doubled in price. I think the game got too slow with all the max health, pdr and mr stacking, and made ranged classes and door fights common and stale and now that they removed double ms boots I feel like chasing and getting chased doesn't feel as oppressive (no more 330ms fighter barb cleric teams). The player count has doubled since last week, and I think "removing random multipliers" just means using gems to pick rolls instead. Ik everyone's pissed about the gear but I haven't seen any cheater in hr since the patch. Ironmace wouldn't roll all this out without a good long term plan. Everyone complained when they took out all attributes too. And if skill expression was all that mattered in DaD every class would have 1k health and do 5 damage base. I don't think that bad players should automatically win against good players bc their gear is better. It definitely sucks that the excitement for gear is gone and even getting a gold is boring now unless its bis but the pvp feels better than ever except ranger and barb being a little too strong, and I think with gear being flattened balancing changes will be a lot better. Also Arena is a lot of fun rn without chests and mobs
Just spent today using all my bis and named items (even though most my bis gear is dog shit now and gets beat by squire gear) I truly have no reason to play now that I used up all my best items. Might come back next wipe 3k hours in this game just to stop playing due to a singular update. Crazy.
whats crazy is everything you said is literally what i have been telling my friends, if SDF keeps making a game he likes he will be the only one playing it.....
Gear brackets are also stupid and always have been though. It's the same effect in the end. Gear doesn't matter because you're always playing against people with the same gear. Maybe like a sub 50 bracket and a 50+ bracket.
"Should a person playing 1h a day be on equal footing with someone playing 8h a day? No" That is true. Very true. But, then HR ranking should matter. If I play LOL in rank. The ones playing 8-9 hours a day will surely be in the higher rank and play against each other. In Dark and Darker. You can be in demigod rank and go against Neophyte. They really need to have a proper ranking system where the higher rank player play each other in some type a way that it really matter. A ranking system where the lower rank try to rank to get to those upper echelon game where the pvp gameplay is more challenging but rewarding
wont touch the game until these changes are reverted. On one hand good on them for trying to shake things up, but on the other hand the whole community has sat here saying "no" when they hinted at these changes, feels like a huge middle finger to the player base.
I don't think this is an issue if they had the skill/lvl tree up and running. So you could add stats from there. And have gear enhance the build. They should prolly also have gear augment skills and play styles. Like grim dawn and POE
I guess their goal is to implement socket system to have something to grind for. Gear rarity will matter then, because that is what determines how many gems you can fill in. Problem is that without that system implemented yet the gear progression is ruined. So if they cannot implement this system in a sigle update, but have to do it in multiple steps, then they should constrain it to the test server since its so significantly gamealtering. Sure in the end it may or may not be s better system than random modifiers, but they cant just break the game as a step to get to that vision or they will just ruin the player base.
i feel like they wanna make it more accessible for people who dont wanna do that end game grind and just enjoy dungeon diving which i understand but destroying items like this takes out a lot of the excitement - i was so happy when they added the loot drop patch cuz now i didnt have to grind as much for gear but now with patch 69 its kinda all for nothing ~ just want them to retract this patch - i hope ironmace listens
For everyone who disslikes gear "normalization" i want to ask: what is the reason that strong players, sweats and streamers go into normal games (not HR)? Wen you think about this answer, you realise that this gear change was a must.
Guys, PLEASE this patch is not it. I remeber before hotfix 68, and going into hell where I would just afk until hell because all the gear was mediocre upgrades and I would just chill in a corner and watch some youtube videos or some shit. It sucked. then 68 hit and I had a blast because I wanted to loot, I wanted to make runs for the chests to find upgrades and it felt great. I just wanted to play the game. Now in 69 I was right back to afking until hell... until I killed the bosses and got nothing... Why create these maps and different items and random affixes when I could just hop into arena and get the same crap from dungeons(absolutely nothing). I am out until this game gets it's shit together, which makes me so sad.
My thoughts. Gear score lobbies should be 0-124, 124-299, 300+. Get rid of 0-24. Keep random modifiers, keep the gear scaling ie greens are worse than purples. Gear diff should be a thing, but having a couple blues on and fighting a fully kitted purple/ gold kit player is too hard. HR should have a gear score minimum around 200.
I remember when base rolls were less spread out(i think green and blue had the same base stats) and random modifiers were super overtuned(+true +weap +add dmg) The ttk was super low like it is now but looting actually felt good. You could legit load into HR with base kit, loot a few chests for some green and blue gear, then stand a decent chance against others in pvp. Its weird to think there was a better version of this skill expression focused meta over a year ago before they got lost in the endless class balancing loop. I loved the game for over 2k hours but they keep taking away reasons to play it. sdf is smoking crack
its crazy, almost seems like self sabotage for some reason. The devs should have put this patch on the test server and let it ride for a bit. They literally killed their own game. I uninstalled yesterday after being one shot by a barb 5 times in a row. Could not out run him with his what, 330 movement speed lmfao. Games a joke now and the devs should just move onto a different game. Dark and Darker will be dead in a weeks time.
Should you be on equal footing? No. But let's say I have 2k hours in dark and darker but no gear because I started playing a wipe late. Should a geared player who bought it all off RTP be able to beat me with only 50 hours play time because that's basically dark and darker?
if you enjoy mmos its pretty fun. its not gonna keep you entertained for a super long time but its a good couple weeks id say. one thing is you basically have to join a guild to really experience most of the end game content as pugging dungeons/raids is difficult and group pvp is very reliant on having people with you
Gear dependancy was not the issue; it was and is the one-dimensional combat system, especially melee.They haven't added any skill expression, they just took away the value and fun of getting gear. If they added a heavy attack modifier for every weapon, that would be adding skill expression. The game was fine how it was, they should have focussed on new content besides maps, skins, tweaking numbers, and other bullshit that doesn't add to the game-loop. Talent trees, combat mechanics, perks and skills, classes.
sdf was a problem to nexon, he made a lot of mistakes there, andm now he took control and we see why nexon might win the court case, that guy needs to stop working 24/7 and be back to just being a gamecoder for dark and darker, he is so bias the overbuff to BARB is literally because he is main is barb right now that happened with rogue 2 times and other classes that he was playing at the time, right now after all that bullshit i really believe theres some more shaddy stuff and nexon wons the cout cases (civil and criminal)
how is he "working 24/7?" there is nothing new in the game that justifies that, that sounds like complete BS to me. One peg said he is the kind of guy that if needed, he would work 30 hours for a day to make something work. You can do that too, i can do that too, thats not impressive.
squire gear deathmatch game now. rip dark and darker. literally feels like they reverted the game to a proof of concept removing all progression they had in the game.
I have 1.7k hours and this is the first time I have decided to take a break from the game. I genuinely think SDF will ruin this game. I really hope I am wrong and we are just being naive to SDF's vision, but I dont understand what his vision is, so I guess we just have to wait and see. It makes me sad bc this game has hooked me more than any other game ever has.
They want fast ttk without having mechanics to add skil to the fights Mordhau has a fast TTK you die in 3 hits. You also have many mechanics Morphs, feints, chambers, drags, accels, buffering, matrix, kicks. And all those mechanics can be combined together to fake out your opponent Dark and darker has none of this and is not a skill expression game MAKE GEAR GREAT AGAIN
Just do a roll back and do the big update next wipe We shouldn’t have a “transitional” update that feels bad until the rest of the updates are dished out
Gonna be honest. I’ve typically disagreed or not liked Toddfathers opinions on this game. But I agreed with 100% of this video, 10/10, DaD is cooked if it stays in this direction.
Sdf’s ranks have been infuriated by the wandering wizard Indy devs, they tried to make a dnd clone and it has the same concepts that sdf wants to move towards, long story short their game flopped when dnd came out and now they are trying to ruin dnd, or sdf just wants to nuke the game before he goes to jail
Now I have to say I do like the class changes, barb does hit a tad hard but that's kinda their thing. I can actually try and fight druids and rogues. Maybe they should have more armor restrictions? But the gear change is awful I can't imagine they won't change it back bc no one likes this.
I find it funny that players that played since steam think they know the game better than players that have been playing for 2 years. And that if gear is normalized they will skill diff the same people with thousands of hours. Literal clown world
I agree with graysun, theres a lot more skill expression now, so much it made me uninstall the game. Im not good enough to avoid the one tapping barbs and rangers.
I absolutely agree with everything that came out of your mouth. If they dont reverse or do something, game will die.. i was playin week ago ///35k players/// .. today 15k.. that say something about ti self, sry for my english, have a nice one.
I quit atter patch this patch. I got to purple rank solo, planned on gringing out Demi after the increased loot patch. 100% worst patch in thier history.
why not ? if you have time and you want it, whats wrong with that ? people pass 12 hours a day watching youtube, whats wrong in playing a game for 8 hours ?
That isn’t how any game works. Almost every game ever when you begin the game everyone is on equal footing. Your cash from the last game of monopoly doesn’t transfer over to the next. MMO are the only game ever that are life to win. I do agree they broke the classes though and need to role back the hp change, it should have gone the other way. League of Legends has more players than almost any game.
I do agree the gear should be different but when you start a match they shouldn’t have gear checks winning fights. Unless it is gear you picked up in the current dungeon I guess.
Just as a casual newish player they’ve taken every aspect of the game away like why would I loot this chest or this player why would I boss why would I do anything other than pvp and if I’m gonna pvp why not just craft all my shit and just play arena. Shit sucks.
Gear was an issue because there were no mechanics to offset the massive stat differences there were. I think this can still make a good game, but it 100% does require changing the entire direction of the game to something outside of gear. Whatever that may be, remains to be seen.
Agreed. I've been giving it a try but there's no reason to loot or explore the dungeon anymore. Last week with the loot boosts felt the best it ever has been. A skilled player could run norms->hr and come out of the HR game with a really nice kit which could take on people in marketplace/curated gear if you knew what you were doing. Now I don't give a fuck about anything I could find or loot because why would I? I've just been practicing bossing since you can just go in squire gear and practice as much as you want with no investment.
The multiclassing patch was better than this current one 💀
I hate how much i agree with you
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@@shu3684 Yes bro 💀
I despise Multiclassing for it's broken combinations, but even that time period was more enjoyable than this
True
I had fun. Now give barbarian a laser beam and traps and we will be balanced.
Agreed barbarian is so underwhelming rn give him a skill that doubles his move and burst through solid walls.
@@Krunchtastic727 buff barb he needs a Gauss cannon
Jokes aside, i;'m not having fun and they just took out 90% of the game in one patch.
"I'd rather play a different game than play this game and hate it." Couldn't have said it better
got 2.7k hours, today was the day I uninstalled. much love brother
Oh shush. You know theyre gonna roll it back to how it was, or give a reason to gear. Then youll be back.
@@hobosnake1 yea but it will be to late, to buggy, rollbacky, is not just this change ironamce have made so many mistakes over the years that's is umberable right now.
@@hobosnake1 they actually wont believe it or not. the only way it changes is if terrance takes control of the game and sdf is fired. sdf said this change was intentional and this is his vision of the game. gear will never feel impactful ever again if sdf remains the lead game design.
@@hobosnake1🤡
3.2k here I’m taking a LONG break.
1.5k hours down the drain..not touching until they fix it
Phew. Did you see the announcement and Graysun doubling down? It's so over.
What did they say ?
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@@gigistudio45pretty much saying that they want to further minimize stat differences in gear relating to modifiers and stuff on discord
Lord Terrance take the wheel
That graysun comment is DaDs "don't you guys have phones" moment
clicked on this cus of the darkest dungeon thumbnail
Games cooked, if they don't go back on this they will lose 75% of thier player base
Absolutely horrible patch.
Came back after a week of work to an inventory of worthless loot.
Matches are just barbs W keying and one tapping people.
Played for about 2 hours and stopped. Won’t be returning if it stays like this.
3500 Hours and I couldnt get enough of this game before the patch.. now I hardly want to even log in to check my auctions.. Theres just really no point to even play ESPECIALLY when arena ends again. There will be literally no reason to log in
graysun is a literal clown. Less swings to kill someone means less actions in a fight. Less actions in a fight means less actions to show "skill based plays". Its just a fact in every game. This game is not a tactical shooter. One shot headshot ttk does not work for a medieval melee based game at all. The devs are just brain dead seeing how they made these changes and buffed barb like this.
They want fast ttk without having mechanics to add skil to the fights
Mordhau has a fast TTK you die in 3 hits. You also have many mechanics
Morphs, feints, chambers, drags, accels, buffering, matrix, kicks.
And all those mechanics can be combined together to fake out your opponent
Dark and darker has none of this and is not a skill expression game
MAKE GEAR GREAT AGAIN
@@Aroused_Milk I mean shit DnD has a faster TTK than mordhau you can die in 1-2 hits in this game lmao
Couldnt agree more Todd, Ive been “trying out” the patch and no matter how much “skill” i express i just get 1-2 tapped and it feels bad. I know something is truly wrong tho because i fee bad even when i win because theres no reward.
Its the no reward part that messes it up for me. I feel like gear mattered a tad too much before patch 69, but now it matters too little. A middleground would be good.
if you're good, you're gonna have gear, if you're not, idk skill issue
It doesn't feel good because you don't have that back and forth of blocking/dodging/countering.
When you drop someone now it's like, "phew, good thing I touched them first, on to the next thing I guess."
Playing warlock and it's been pathetic
Gear isn't a clear advantage if there's separate lobbies. Squire gear fights squire gear in 24s. Low gear fights low gear in 124s. Medium to high gear fights medium to high gear in 125+. Very high gear fights very high gear in HR. You pick your risk/reward ratio depending on what you have the most fun risking if you lose and the most fun receiving as a reward if you win. At no point are you picking to outgear or be outgeared. As it is currently there's very little choice for risk to reward for any players. Everyone is the same. The only thing this patch succeeded in doing is making looting and pvping both less exciting, for both the experienced and the timmies.
I started playing a couple days before the most recent wipe and already have over 100 hours, the loot system is what brought me in. I enjoyed the combat because of the idea of that gain or loss of loot at the end, it was challenging and made dying mean something. I played a lot of Mordhau and Chivalry 2 before DAD and all I can say is If I wanted to play a fantasy combat game I would just go back to one of those where the combat is more fleshed out, very sad they are pushing new and old players away. :(
My whole group has quit before i got back from my holoday. Every night i had at least 2 others to play with out of us 5. Now its just me who will give it a try, but i wont be staying without the squad
Every game that starts catering to casuals or the people who hop on for a few weeks then move on go downhill very quick. Its adamant that this is what SDF wants. Its a hardcore game, why make it easier for people who dont want to spend time and learn to get an advantage in pvp.
well. I just chased down a barb who me and my duo had a battle with and he killed me from full HP. he was at 5 out of 200. ridiculous. utterly ridiculous. he raged, turned around. and reminded me that if I don't play barb. I'm just PVE.
exactly i used to grind rust and do aim train for hours and hours to learn the recoil patterns then they changed it so then new players wouldnt be as far behind and ive never played it since
Ranger is 2 tapping barbs and the rest of the game tho. Barbs are not even the biggest issue it's rangers lmao
@@henriquerodrigues7795 also true! its more like 3 or 4 shot unless you mean windlasses but the pdr reduction across the board was not the way to handle this.
Nah catering to casuals is important. The problem is the devteam and the way its done.
The droprate buff + a slight statsquish at the end of season wouldve been fine.
Now all bis gear that they told you to farm is useless, all arenagear is useless, just when multiclass released.
Whats the point of playing now?
I'm just going to ride it out. It's one patch of many, they said there's alot to come and there will be rough spots. Do I like the gear change? No I think it could be different, but I love the ttk. I'm glad the game is going back to the playtests. There's a lot they need to revert and it will take time. I want to see what they want to do and I think everyone's being over dramatic off one patch.
im sure the overdrama is happening to make a clear statement: "you've gone too far with this. dont continue this path but instead move back and think again. otherwise you will lose the majority of your player base"
I’m right there with you. I started playing a month ago so I’m pretty nooby but I’m still playing. Still looting. Still bossing. Still going to inferno and abyss. Still laughing. Still having fun with friends.
My only concern is why they would reduce HP by 15 and give Barbarian multiple buffs. It reminds me of how OG wow development one of the devs screwed over paladins.
The TTK change has forced me to by hyper alert and read PVP situations more correctly. In the span of two days my PVP decision making skills and over all skill in PVP have gotten so much better. Learning not to rush or fall back to advantageous areas etc.
Just I’m not losing my cool over this. We shall see what happens. I’m hoping it all works out in the end.
@@jonpeacock3016 Tbh the barb changes were just reverting back to previous versions of the skills except the two hander change. They should have made bardiche not count as an axe again. But all the other classes are probably going to see unerfs as well. Locks got a little, wiz might see some cleric might definitely see some. This week will be interesting theyre basicaly undoing a lot of things that happend to the game over the past year.
@@saint_snow Yeah! That’s what I thought as well. That sdf person said there was a plan and it would take time. I’m not giving up yet. This game is too fun and has so much potentials. Like relationships there are ups and downs 🤷
Sdf want the game to fail.
Genuinely if they remove random rolls, it’s hardly a real extraction looter.
I paid for an extraction looter, not a medieval themed PvP arena with mobs.
At that point it’s hardly what was even advertised, this is damn near misleading marketing, i pretty much just want a full refund at this point…
Does Tarkov have random rolls?
@@ayyylma0 does tarkov have FULL Boosted Squire gear too ?
Ur gay
think about it this way. when you see a purple frost amulet, you think omg nice 500 ish gold. but now that purple frost ammy has the same stats as a unique one. that should not be the case there is no reason it should be like this. at least revert this patch till a wipe bro. they ruined all our gear in our stashes MID WIPE??
Yeah I was building a no spell warlock melee build and had been saving BiS kits to jump into high roller and try it out but the patched nuked them all. I sold them for cheap on the market and only tried squire BiS and never even so much as picked up an epic or below. I don’t even spend gold on anything either. Not even meds. I just kill the first Timmy or Chad I see and steal them.
It's possible that random modifiers will be removed in favor of, say, user defined modifiers which scale with quality, or something. I don't know what the hell kick SDF is on though, so who knows?
Game needs Jetpacks.
Gear diff happens, but the fact that new people think they are gonna just start skill diffing people without learning all the ins and outs is hilarious. Im gonna skill diff you all day long with my thousands of hours. I know the game better, i have muscle memory to this game, 20 hours doesnt do that, gear doesnt make you good
U need to be good to get good gear to gear diff someone
How many times have we seen these content creators go in with crap or literally no gear, and then end up killing a gold guy with grimsmiles. I will say gear mattered too much before this patch, but now gear matters not at all. Somewhere in the middle would have been ideal. Loot being useless sucks. I dont have anything to hunt for now.
Who needs gear diff when we have class diff
took me like 500 hours to get confortable with PVP in this game. Not good at PVP, but confortable with it. Know what to do in certain situations, what fights should i be taking and not. Those "new players" will get farmed over and over till they realize it was never gear diff (or at least 90% of the cases).
@@yothatsmanny7383 💯 doesn't matter how bad my class is nerfed or how the game changes. We're still going to be better than players with less experience. They should just make loot easier to find like they did in the previous patch.
I said this when it dropped and Ill say it again after 4.3k recorded hours I have not seen the game in a worse state. I would rather +2 true and add dmg rolls, +all , and multiclassing come back all at the same time then what we have right now.
Gear changes aside, why the fuck is barb getting buffed? That alone kills the game lmao!
they had to nerf copperlight sets from 1% move speed to 0.5% movespeed because barbs were too OP with it.
now they just gave them free +5 adicional move speed on Rage.
Dark and Darker devs are like your girlfriend when she is on those days ... except they are on those days every day, you never know what to expect from them. Which is a really, really bad sign.
a quadruple buff that is
I’m a new player and I found this video because I wanted to see if time investment in this game is worth it since there seems to be a lot to learn.
That being said, I can say that if the vast majority of the player base has an issue, especially with a niche type of game, the devs will have to listen.
I played a lot of Tarkov and as soon as people overwhelmingly got pissed, more studios took their idea and BSG began listening and made great improvements. The PVE mode alone has me always going back because if we are being honest, cheating is only ever going to get worse in any and every game with an objective to win.
I played the new patch last night and it was extremely underwhelming finding epics and legendaries. If they have bad/irrelevant rolls there is no reason to take it. I end up keeping a green with one good roll over a purple with three bad rolls
same. went to inferno a couple times today and left so many epics bc the greens i was wearing were way better and i knew i wouldnt even be able to sell it on the market place for anything more than the vendor would pay me. havent seen anything like this in other games. what in the world is happning right now xD
I love when people say, "I only have 2 hours a day to play, but people who play 8 hours have way better gear :(" No fucking shit they opened chests and killed bosses for 6 hours. They are going to have a massive advantage over you, and they deserve it.
@@reconbob2806 absolutely, I work half the time and still have over 20k gold only get bout 2 hours in a few days haha
No they don't.
@@gladlawson61yes they do if you spend more time in anything in life you get what you put out. Sure is it no life for that guy but I’m sure you will make more money talk to prettier woman and so forth you don’t get to have your cake and eat it too. Otherwise you get this.
@gladlawson61 what is the point of the game then if gear means nothing?
@@gladlawson61lol
To your point about how yes you are critical of the game but still obviously love it. That’s exactly how I feel about this patch. The last few months the game has been going downhill yet I still was logging like 4-5 hours a day playing by finding enjoyment in switching up my class etc etc.
I was also critical, common issues like traps, panther druid etc etc but I’d rather have that ‘scuffed’ version of the game to play any day over the current patch.
2.1k hours, taking a long break from this, sad cuz i loved this game
I want giant changes like this is my early access game. This patch may be a giant cluster fuck but at least they're trying something huge. I honestly think it wouldn't be so bad if the game had more minor artifacts, major artifacts, and other magic items that would be worth seeking out. If you're going to do a gear squish, then make more items with magical effects and things that modify how the gear works. That's just my opinion, though.
Exactly. This game is early access and I think a lot of people got too comfortable with how the game was pre-patch. Powerful crafted weapons already in the game have already almost doubled in price. I think the game got too slow with all the max health, pdr and mr stacking, and made ranged classes and door fights common and stale and now that they removed double ms boots I feel like chasing and getting chased doesn't feel as oppressive (no more 330ms fighter barb cleric teams). The player count has doubled since last week, and I think "removing random multipliers" just means using gems to pick rolls instead. Ik everyone's pissed about the gear but I haven't seen any cheater in hr since the patch. Ironmace wouldn't roll all this out without a good long term plan. Everyone complained when they took out all attributes too. And if skill expression was all that mattered in DaD every class would have 1k health and do 5 damage base. I don't think that bad players should automatically win against good players bc their gear is better. It definitely sucks that the excitement for gear is gone and even getting a gold is boring now unless its bis but the pvp feels better than ever except ranger and barb being a little too strong, and I think with gear being flattened balancing changes will be a lot better. Also Arena is a lot of fun rn without chests and mobs
Just spent today using all my bis and named items (even though most my bis gear is dog shit now and gets beat by squire gear)
I truly have no reason to play now that I used up all my best items.
Might come back next wipe
3k hours in this game just to stop playing due to a singular update.
Crazy.
whats crazy is everything you said is literally what i have been telling my friends, if SDF keeps making a game he likes he will be the only one playing it.....
Todd I’d love to watch some new world streams even if there’s not gonna be any dark in the future
My games nothing but Rangers literally 2 tapping (sometimes 1 tapping) everyone. The skill expression goes crazy
Strict gear score brackets would be a much better fix to avoid gear checking. It blows my mind that the only barrier is 25
Gear brackets are also stupid and always have been though. It's the same effect in the end. Gear doesn't matter because you're always playing against people with the same gear. Maybe like a sub 50 bracket and a 50+ bracket.
"Should a person playing 1h a day be on equal footing with someone playing 8h a day? No"
That is true. Very true. But, then HR ranking should matter. If I play LOL in rank. The ones playing 8-9 hours a day will surely be in the higher rank and play against each other.
In Dark and Darker. You can be in demigod rank and go against Neophyte.
They really need to have a proper ranking system where the higher rank player play each other in some type a way that it really matter.
A ranking system where the lower rank try to rank to get to those upper echelon game where the pvp gameplay is more challenging but rewarding
wont touch the game until these changes are reverted. On one hand good on them for trying to shake things up, but on the other hand the whole community has sat here saying "no" when they hinted at these changes, feels like a huge middle finger to the player base.
Best turn it into a BR at this point. Remove all containers, loot now floats above the ground.
I almost only play
I don't think this is an issue if they had the skill/lvl tree up and running. So you could add stats from there. And have gear enhance the build. They should prolly also have gear augment skills and play styles. Like grim dawn and POE
youve put it better than anyone ive heard so far.
Yeah you know that sdf message "Jamie pull that up"
I guess their goal is to implement socket system to have something to grind for. Gear rarity will matter then, because that is what determines how many gems you can fill in. Problem is that without that system implemented yet the gear progression is ruined. So if they cannot implement this system in a sigle update, but have to do it in multiple steps, then they should constrain it to the test server since its so significantly gamealtering. Sure in the end it may or may not be s better system than random modifiers, but they cant just break the game as a step to get to that vision or they will just ruin the player base.
i feel like they wanna make it more accessible for people who dont wanna do that end game grind and just enjoy dungeon diving which i understand but destroying items like this takes out a lot of the excitement - i was so happy when they added the loot drop patch cuz now i didnt have to grind as much for gear but now with patch 69 its kinda all for nothing ~ just want them to retract this patch - i hope ironmace listens
can we get an update video on todays patch
For everyone who disslikes gear "normalization" i want to ask: what is the reason that strong players, sweats and streamers go into normal games (not HR)?
Wen you think about this answer, you realise that this gear change was a must.
Guys, PLEASE this patch is not it. I remeber before hotfix 68, and going into hell where I would just afk until hell because all the gear was mediocre upgrades and I would just chill in a corner and watch some youtube videos or some shit. It sucked. then 68 hit and I had a blast because I wanted to loot, I wanted to make runs for the chests to find upgrades and it felt great. I just wanted to play the game. Now in 69 I was right back to afking until hell... until I killed the bosses and got nothing... Why create these maps and different items and random affixes when I could just hop into arena and get the same crap from dungeons(absolutely nothing). I am out until this game gets it's shit together, which makes me so sad.
My thoughts. Gear score lobbies should be 0-124, 124-299, 300+. Get rid of 0-24. Keep random modifiers, keep the gear scaling ie greens are worse than purples. Gear diff should be a thing, but having a couple blues on and fighting a fully kitted purple/ gold kit player is too hard. HR should have a gear score minimum around 200.
when i started playing the idea i could get insane gear and dominate made me want to get good enough to get crazy gear
I remember when base rolls were less spread out(i think green and blue had the same base stats) and random modifiers were super overtuned(+true +weap +add dmg) The ttk was super low like it is now but looting actually felt good. You could legit load into HR with base kit, loot a few chests for some green and blue gear, then stand a decent chance against others in pvp. Its weird to think there was a better version of this skill expression focused meta over a year ago before they got lost in the endless class balancing loop. I loved the game for over 2k hours but they keep taking away reasons to play it. sdf is smoking crack
its crazy, almost seems like self sabotage for some reason. The devs should have put this patch on the test server and let it ride for a bit. They literally killed their own game. I uninstalled yesterday after being one shot by a barb 5 times in a row. Could not out run him with his what, 330 movement speed lmfao. Games a joke now and the devs should just move onto a different game. Dark and Darker will be dead in a weeks time.
They reverted the change, we thank you for the QQ!!!!
They should make a new game called bright and brighter that has ALL the pvp “visions” that they have
I love expressing my skill all over other players in PVP in the dark dungeons
By skill expression, does he mean steamrolling people with ranger and barbarian? Interesting take.
aight the darkest dungeon thumb is peak ngl
bro evened out all the gear and also reduced our max health LMAO. bro thinks we want 1 second fights
im a semi new player with 400 hours and i loved the pvp bc it took a while and offered so much space and time for outplays. now it's just frustrating.
Went from gear diff to squire gear diff
Then they give us a new “patch” which helps fix the Barb problem and rangerish but just slaps a bandaid on how useless gear is lmao.
Should you be on equal footing? No. But let's say I have 2k hours in dark and darker but no gear because I started playing a wipe late. Should a geared player who bought it all off RTP be able to beat me with only 50 hours play time because that's basically dark and darker?
yes absolutely. if you are not good you should be able to get gear to overcome that otherwise whats the point of gear
Is NewWorld worth buying? Wouldn't mind hearing your thoughts on it. I've heard the end game is lackluster.
if you enjoy mmos its pretty fun. its not gonna keep you entertained for a super long time but its a good couple weeks id say. one thing is you basically have to join a guild to really experience most of the end game content as pugging dungeons/raids is difficult and group pvp is very reliant on having people with you
Don't buy its a waste of time
Gear dependancy was not the issue; it was and is the one-dimensional combat system, especially melee.They haven't added any skill expression, they just took away the value and fun of getting gear. If they added a heavy attack modifier for every weapon, that would be adding skill expression.
The game was fine how it was, they should have focussed on new content besides maps, skins, tweaking numbers, and other bullshit that doesn't add to the game-loop. Talent trees, combat mechanics, perks and skills, classes.
Yep game is ruined, RIP my 3k hours. I am not playing until they revert this.
sdf was a problem to nexon, he made a lot of mistakes there, andm now he took control and we see why nexon might win the court case, that guy needs to stop working 24/7 and be back to just being a gamecoder for dark and darker, he is so bias the overbuff to BARB is literally because he is main is barb right now that happened with rogue 2 times and other classes that he was playing at the time, right now after all that bullshit i really believe theres some more shaddy stuff and nexon wons the cout cases (civil and criminal)
how is he "working 24/7?" there is nothing new in the game that justifies that, that sounds like complete BS to me.
One peg said he is the kind of guy that if needed, he would work 30 hours for a day to make something work.
You can do that too, i can do that too, thats not impressive.
they could have done this just for arena, which should not be a gear dif mode instead of applying it to the whole game
everyone should boycot the game untill they revert it, i hope the streamers will unite to give a sign.
squire gear deathmatch game now. rip dark and darker. literally feels like they reverted the game to a proof of concept removing all progression they had in the game.
I have 1.7k hours and this is the first time I have decided to take a break from the game. I genuinely think SDF will ruin this game. I really hope I am wrong and we are just being naive to SDF's vision, but I dont understand what his vision is, so I guess we just have to wait and see. It makes me sad bc this game has hooked me more than any other game ever has.
They want fast ttk without having mechanics to add skil to the fights
Mordhau has a fast TTK you die in 3 hits. You also have many mechanics
Morphs, feints, chambers, drags, accels, buffering, matrix, kicks.
And all those mechanics can be combined together to fake out your opponent
Dark and darker has none of this and is not a skill expression game
MAKE GEAR GREAT AGAIN
Just do a roll back and do the big update next wipe
We shouldn’t have a “transitional” update that feels bad until the rest of the updates are dished out
rare w fighter video
"much more skill expression rn"
Literally 0 new game mechanics
Gonna be honest. I’ve typically disagreed or not liked Toddfathers opinions on this game. But I agreed with 100% of this video, 10/10, DaD is cooked if it stays in this direction.
Sdf’s ranks have been infuriated by the wandering wizard Indy devs, they tried to make a dnd clone and it has the same concepts that sdf wants to move towards, long story short their game flopped when dnd came out and now they are trying to ruin dnd, or sdf just wants to nuke the game before he goes to jail
Now I have to say I do like the class changes, barb does hit a tad hard but that's kinda their thing. I can actually try and fight druids and rogues. Maybe they should have more armor restrictions? But the gear change is awful I can't imagine they won't change it back bc no one likes this.
I find it funny that players that played since steam think they know the game better than players that have been playing for 2 years. And that if gear is normalized they will skill diff the same people with thousands of hours. Literal clown world
I think they remove random modifi, and you will can enchat gear by yourself :)
i hope so
Yeah. I heard they wanna make it like Diablo kinda. Where you socket stats into gear. Could be cool. This game has so much potential.
Classic Todd melodrama
I agree I don’t like this at all, however it has been nice to know I’m not actually so much worse than other players
I agree with graysun, theres a lot more skill expression now, so much it made me uninstall the game. Im not good enough to avoid the one tapping barbs and rangers.
i hear they're giving the ranger an ak47 in the next patch!!! 🔥🔥🔥
I absolutely agree with everything that came out of your mouth. If they dont reverse or do something, game will die.. i was playin week ago ///35k players/// .. today 15k.. that say something about ti self, sry for my english, have a nice one.
I quit atter patch this patch. I got to purple rank solo, planned on gringing out Demi after the increased loot patch. 100% worst patch in thier history.
Very well said, congrats brother
Nailed it, i feel exact same😢
a dedicated pve mode with bosses like tarkov would be good
its okay. Path of exile 2 releasing in a couple weeks.
Playing this patch the past couple days, ive found zero reason to loot. Besides stashing up on meds.
this is so not bis
lmao but the real question is should you be playing a game for 8hrs a day
why not ? if you have time and you want it, whats wrong with that ? people pass 12 hours a day watching youtube, whats wrong in playing a game for 8 hours ?
@@alexandreiss0agr276 I guess the same thing that's wrong with watching TH-cam for 12hts a day.
That isn’t how any game works. Almost every game ever when you begin the game everyone is on equal footing. Your cash from the last game of monopoly doesn’t transfer over to the next. MMO are the only game ever that are life to win. I do agree they broke the classes though and need to role back the hp change, it should have gone the other way. League of Legends has more players than almost any game.
I do agree the gear should be different but when you start a match they shouldn’t have gear checks winning fights. Unless it is gear you picked up in the current dungeon I guess.
Just as a casual newish player they’ve taken every aspect of the game away like why would I loot this chest or this player why would I boss why would I do anything other than pvp and if I’m gonna pvp why not just craft all my shit and just play arena. Shit sucks.
Gear was an issue because there were no mechanics to offset the massive stat differences there were. I think this can still make a good game, but it 100% does require changing the entire direction of the game to something outside of gear. Whatever that may be, remains to be seen.
Agreed. I've been giving it a try but there's no reason to loot or explore the dungeon anymore. Last week with the loot boosts felt the best it ever has been. A skilled player could run norms->hr and come out of the HR game with a really nice kit which could take on people in marketplace/curated gear if you knew what you were doing. Now I don't give a fuck about anything I could find or loot because why would I? I've just been practicing bossing since you can just go in squire gear and practice as much as you want with no investment.
That graysun comment was super rude I agree
Sounds like they want to make it like eft