Doctor Who being confusingly meta
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 พ.ย. 2024
- Sometimes it's hard to tell what's real and what's fiction, and what's real in the fiction.
The material in this video belongs mostly to the BBC, but also to... hoo boy, let's see, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios, EON Productions, Marvel Studios, Columbia Pictures, 20th Century Studios, Brooksfilms, Warner Bros, Lucasfilm, Pete Waterman Entertainment, and Virgin Records. This is a fair use edit.
0:00 - Stephen Fry
0:52 - James Bond
1:18 - Spider-Man
1:47 - Robin Hood
2:06 - Monty Python
2:28 - Alien
3:28 - Harry Potter
3:59 - Lord Of The Rings
4:30 - Merlin
4:48 - Star Wars
5:14 - Eastenders
6:16 - Richard Dawkins
6:58 - Kylie Minogue
7:21 - Billie Piper
7:40 - Doctor Who
In the video game Lego Dimensions, the Doctor directly interacts with Gandalf, and even accidentally causes him to switch from grey to white and back again.
I always thought they missed the boat by never including the Third Doctor's Batman line in that game.
The Simpsons was also in Dimensions, and both it and Doctor Who exist as fictions in each others' universes
@@Dalekzilla54 Ghostbusters and Back to the Future also exist in Doctor Who, and Lego Dimensions. Fantastic Beasts is also in Lego Dimensions, so by extension Harry Potter's universe does too.
This show has more celebrity paradoxes than time paradoxes.
Spacial genetic multiplicity
the way i cracked up when “robin hood is played by patrick troughton” came on the credits .. what a brilliant video
The last photo that displayed on the console was of Troughton from that very series. There seems to be only one surviving episode, but it was the first television adaptation of Robin Hood ever made.
@@PenneySounds oooo tasty new information i am eating it all. thanks for the knowledge!
Glad you left the best until last. Writer Ben Aaronovitch knew exactly what he was doing. Dropping such a blatant meta reference in the middle of an already tightly plotted story, almost casually, is simply genius.
I'm thinking of doing an "On point" video about Coal Hill school. I love how Ace finds a book on the French Revolution left in the classroom, meant to be the same one Susan borrowed from Barbara.
I also love the almost throwaway bit in 'Silver Nemesis', where Ace is quite rightly concerned about a Regency era portrait of herself in Windsor castle. The Doctor's reply to the clearly perturbed Ace, is to peer at the painting, and says something like:
"Oh. That. We haven't done that yet!"
And scurries off before any more questions are asked.
@@brianartillery The whole sequence of their running around Windsor Castle basement and looking at all the presents, then the Doctor finds a *FEZ* and proceeds to put it on his head, then goes behind some stuff and when they come out the other side, it's Ace who's wearing the fez! Love that! 😸
Edit: I wasn't aware that apparently the FIRST Doctor also wore a fez! Who knew? 😺
I've got a video about the fez bit
This is laugh-out-loud funny!!!
twelve's line about Alien is gold it gets me everytime
He seems genuinely taken aback and looks like he wants to apologize to a few planets.
As much as I like it, I also kinda hate it. LIke, pretty sure the Doctor should be understanding from someone who travels the universe and interacts with humans on a regular, that we use the term alien for anything not from Earth. Same way I imagine other aliens to do the same with us and other beings from other planets not their own.
The line is still great and funny, though.
@@agentbluegaming7709 I think he was more offended that humans made the horror movie with that title, that with the use of the word in general
@@siberiannerd840 Doesn't really make much sense still, considering all of the above points. He knows what humans are like, and I wouldn't be surprised if there are aliens out there who do the same. (Not saying theres an alien movie called Human, but another movie called Alien I wouldn't be surprised by)
@@agentbluegaming7709 What bugs me at this point, how did the Doctor not realize, that there's a whole horror series about the Xenomorphs? Not just a single movie, but a whole franchise, even connected to another (the Predator). It's not like those are some small works of an unknown artist, both franchises are pretty famous for quite some time. And the Doctor is usually quite aware of human history and arts. So how did he miss out a whole franchise? It's a great line, and Capaldi's delivery is priceless, but in context of the show, doesn't make much sense.
the Billie Piper album in the background of Something Borrowed had me CACKLING
along with the star wars references, Peter Cushing played both Tarkin and the Doctor..
he's also played Van Helsing alongside Christopher Lee as Dracula, who obviously is also Saruman in LOTR and the Hobbit, alongside Ian McKellen and Sylvester McCoy.
Technically he played "Dr. Who", a human character
Even though those movies aren't canon, they do exist as movies in the Doctor Who universe. In the Day of the Doctor novel, Cushing was said to have travelled with The Doctor and starred in movies that were made after his death, which I assume is a reference to Rogue One.
Peter Cushing lives in Whitstable
I have seen him on his bicycle
I have seen him buying vegetables
Peter Cushing lives in Whitstable
@@ExcellenceNo I heard Alan Davies recite that on Qi, when Stephen Fry mentioned Cushing calling Lee because Fry had told him he was nervous about working with him...
This is simply what happens when you hire every british actor ever while making every pop culture reference ever
Really wish they were able to add the Cushing Films references in the 50th anniversary. That way both Wilf and the actor who played him exist in the same universe.
It was referenced in the novelisation. Not only did both films exist, Peter Cushing and the Doctor were good friends and even leant him his waistcoat for the second one. There were even suggestions of a third one being made.
@@timereaper7877 I know, I just wish the TV show did
@@timereaper7877 UNIT figured this out when Peter Cushing started showing up in films made after his death.
There was also John Hurt in the TV show Merlin! As the dragon, Kilgarrah 😂
I wasn't quite counting the show Merlin as Doctor Who never specifically referenced the show itself, but I couldn't resist throwing in Colin Morgan, just to link it to the line about wizards
@@PenneySounds Oh right, I didn't realise you were only doing shows Doctor Who mentioned! This is an extremely well-made video, I must say :) thank you for taking the time.
The video is basically about the confusion of the show referencing other shows and films starring actors from Doctor Who. If the movie Alien exists in the Doctor Who universe, why don't people look at the War Doctor and realise he looks like John Hurt, who was in that movie?
That doesn't quite happen with Merlin because they only reference the mythology, not the TV show. But because I used River's line about wizards turning out to be the Doctor, in reference to Sylvester McCoy being in The Hobbit, I thought the part where McCoy's Doctor is said to be Merlin would be an appropriate inclusion, and the clip of Colin Morgan was just the icing on the cake.
Though it would have been funny to then show a clip from the show of Merlin talking to the dragon, and then for a third time cut to Hurt in Spaceballs saying "Not again!"
Eastenders was the craziest one, because Doctor Who featured a fictional clip of Eastenders in "Army Of Ghosts", where one of the Cyberman "ghosts" is meant to be the character Den Watts back from the dead. But not only was Den Watts played on Eastenders by an actor who'd been in Doctor Who, the character that killed him was played by an actress who appears in that very same episode the fictional clip is in, as the one making the ghost shifts happen. It's mind-bending.
@@PenneySounds That was exactly what I was waiting to happen, with John Hurt lol, but I get what you mean. Watching Doctor Who is basically watching a compilation of most if not all the greatest British actors, either before they were even famous, or as cameos - and imo the greatest part about it is that Doctor Who doesn't shy away from mentioning the pieces of media, even if it doesn't make sense continuity-wise. Doctor Who is only great continuity-wise within it's own universe, and everything else in the world is just material to be used again and again (if that makes sense?).
I love how eastenders was referenced in the same episode as Tracey anne oberman appears
Of all the Eastenders plots they could have referenced, they picked one where an actor from the same Doctor Who episode kills an actor from a past Doctor Who episode
Doctor Who definitely exists in its own universe, they even confirmed it in Remembrance of the Daleks
If that was true though, people would know what a police box is
@@PenneySounds maybe it's so woven into culture that people don't question what it is, kind of like how in real life a police box is automatically associated with the TARDIS
Yes, that's what I'm saying. People would immediately recognise it.
@@PenneySoundschameleon circuit
The _Doctor Who_ audio story _The Gathering_ also references Billie Piper - it takes place on her birthday, which is noted by a radio host who’s cut away from before she can finish her name.
That was a fantastic video! One of my personal favourites that wasn't here was when Owen comments at the s1 torchwood finale that having the bubonic plague in the 21st century was "a bit House" referencing the TV show house md. In house md, Taub mentions that he likes to watch classic who.
That's a good one
So I looked it up and that Torchwood episode aired Jan 2007, and about 8 months before that, house md aired an episode where the patient had bubonic plague. So depending on when that Torchwood line was written, they either pre-empted a house plotline by a matter of mere months or watched it in real time and thus were inspired to include the reference!
And Hugh Laurie is already in the video
There's a horror movie called alien that's really offensive no wonder they keep trying to invade you. 🤣🤣🤣 Best Capaldi line ever
Every time I watch that Robin Hood episode in Series 8, I always think that the BBC wasted an opportunity by bringing back the cast of Robin Hood's BBC Series to reprise their characters. I mean Harry Lloyd who played Will Scarlett went onto Game Of Thrones (Strangely enough he also played Baines in the Family Of Blood episodes in Series 3) but surely Jonas Armstrong and Lucy Griffiths weren't up to much.
That's weird. Once Upon a Time made him into a Wonderland character instead of a Robin Hood character.
Absolutely still livid about that.
This is so weird. The doctor, his companions and foes are all also other people in the universe too. Must be one hell of a morphic field
I suppose just before Paul McGann regenerated he watched alien and saw John hurt
Except McGann was in Alien 3
Blimey you've put tonnes of thought and work into creating this! It's fabulous 😊
The hardest part was the fact that I've never seen the Alien movies, Lord Of The Rings, or Eastenders
Fun fact; off set and as a video Easter egg; Tom Baker and John Cleese did a short sketch where Cleese asks Tom Baker to sign a photo of himself as Doctor Who for Cleese's blind godson, when Baker asks for a pen, Cleese comes up empty and just says he'll tell his godson he signed it
Also, Cleese is attributed under a false pseudonym, being Kim Bread
Thats so mean
Bloody hell, the show itself exists in the show...
Richard Franklin and Tosin Cole were both in Star Wars as well, Franklin as an engineer in Rogue One and Cole as a pilot in VII - there's also Garrick Hagon (Biggs) who was in both The Mutants and A Town Called Mercy
I'm pretty sure the actors in actual film or tv projects are there because there is a earth version of those actors and the doctor just accidentally turns into that person with the one time he actually knew who he was turning into being Peter Capaldi's from his time in Rome
I love that Ten-nant was actually in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire.
The chapter that his character appears in in the HP books is called "The Parting of the Ways" and David's first appearance as the 10th Doctor is in the episode "The Parting of the Ways"
@@beanford4272 What? Doctor Who, stop being so meta
1:23 Twelfth Doctor would love Marvel Ruins if he wants gruesomely real Spiderman.
Look up a video called "Scientifically Accurate Spider-Man"
Surprised you didn't show the entirety of Dimensions in Time. The one where they were literally in Eastenders.
Well, it's not canon to either show
In Doctor Who S7E11, "The Crimson Horror," Dame Diana Rigg plays the antagonist Mrs. Gillyflower. In Game of Thrones S3E10, the character Gilly introduces herself to Maester Aemon Targaryen, who remarks, "Ah, like the gilliflower?" Diana Rigg stars in Game of Thrones as Olenna Tyrell.
This probably doesn't count as a meta joke but it had me rolling on the floor when I put it together.
Fun fact: Spider-Man fought the Transformers, who fought Death’s Head, who fought the 7th Doctor.
And I’m pretty sure that Spider-Man fought Godzilla at some point. He definitely met Batman.
So yeah, they all exist in the same universe/multiverse.
this is the ultimate showdown?
1st person to hit Den Watts in EastEnders played Lady Christina de Souza in Planet of the Dead
I missed that one
This is fantastic! Very well done! (Patrick Troughton played Robin Hood!!!!)
Nearly that entire series is missing, but they still felt a need to reference it during that database sequence
@@PenneySounds I have very vague memories of possibly watching it back when it originally aired. On the other hand, I could be confusing it with another series.
It aired in 1953. Apparently it was the first ever television adaptation of Robin Hood.
@@PenneySounds Well, I would've been 5 years old in 1953, and with reruns, it's possible I did see it. I was a big fan of Robin Hood series, and a whole slew of other "historically-oriented" series back then. In fact, I have copies of the Robin of Sherwood TV series, whose 2nd season has Sean Connery's son, Jason Connery, playing Robin, and whose theme was done by the Irish group Clannad. Great series. Of course, I also have a copy of Sean Connery's Robin Hood film, Robin & Marion, in which you can actually see a shot of Connery's butt! :)
So good, i really love the way you edit the all stuff. Really good work mate !
So what I've learned is:
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Oh, that's right:
It's not just spaceballs anymore!
Loved this video- the editing was spot on!
Love this kind of stuff, didn't know about at least half of these. :)
In season 3 of Doom Patrol, Michelle Gomez plays a time traveler and somebody calls her Doctor Who.
On top of that, her character, Madame Rouge, has a lot of similarities to Missy.
Spoilers below:
She’s close friends with one of the heroes but still tries to kill them, bounces back and forth between being good and evil, works alongside some of their greatest villains and then betrays them, can change what she looks like, is much older than she appears possibly immortal.
fun fact, if we consider the books canon the gungans exist in the universe of doctor who!
NOT THE BUBBLEWRAP
Speaking of Potterverse, Ron Weasly and Rory Williams apparently are half brothers! Same actor for a dad.
Thanks, my brain now hurts :D
OMG, Richard Dawkins and Lalla Ward punting! 🤣
@@zarniwoopnu That one's even funnier when you consider that Tom Baker is her ex. She married the Doc and then she married the Dawk.
3:23 “I love humans. always seeing patterns in things that aren’t there” YA DONT SAY kdjdskdsk
You could also have connected the fact that the woman who played Yvonne Hartman (Tracy-Ann Oberman) is in Friday Night Dinner as Val along side Jackie played by Tamsin Greig who was in 'The Long Game' she was the nurse who put the chip in Adam's head. You can then connect Tamsin to Missy (Michelle Gomez) as they were both in Green Wing. You can also connect Tamsin to Bill Bailey who played Manny along side Greig's Fran in Black Books and Bill played Droxil in The Doctor, The Widow and The Wardrobe. You can also connect Greig and Bailey to Simon Pegg who was the controller in The Long Game as Greig was in Shaun of the Dead, alongside Pegg and Bailey was in Hot Fuzz. You can then even further connect Greig and Pegg to Jessica Hynes who was the leader of Greig's group in Shaun of the Dead and opposite Pegg. Hynes and Pegg also starred together in Spaced. Hynes played both Nurse Joan Redfern in Doctor Who and later her grandaughter Verity Newman which was a nod to both Verity Lambert and Sydney Newman who were the brainchilds behind getting Doctor Who going. Hynes was also in a show with David Tennant called There She Goes. I could go on, but I shant 😂
But none of those things were referenced in Doctor Who, were they?
I think it's funny the 12th Doctor just forgets the movie Aliens after 10 referenced it.
to be fair, he probably just pretended to not know to mess with them, its a very Doctor-y thing to do
It's all wibbly-wobbly actory-wactory.
I rember the last one but then again the first doctor once looked to the camera and said merry Christmas to all you back home.
I guess the doctor is just only regenerating into doppelgangers of English actors.
this is so well done what the hell
The best bit of meta was the casting of Mark Williams opposite Arthur Darville. Mark went to North Bromsgrove High School (I was two years above him, if I met him, I don't remember) and Arthur went to Bromsgrove School, a private school.
Later Sir Lenny Henry, from Dudley, just up the road, played a character from Bromsgrove. The only other time I've heard the town referenced in fiction was a one line mention in Monty Python ("a company director from Bromsgrove" in the "Blackmail" sketch)
That is and I quote 9 here by saying , "FANTASTIC"
Julian Glover also appeared as Richard the lionheart during the Hartnell era.
You could add to this a quote from Anthony Ainley (as The Master) stating "There is evil in us all, Doctor. Even you.", and then cut to clips of all the Doctors who have had villain roles before, during, or after being the Doctor. Scenes should at least include...
Tom Baker as Prince Koura in The Golden Voyage of Sinbad.
Colin Baker as Commander Maxil in The Arc of Infinity.
David Tennant in not only Harry Potter (again), but also Jessica Jones and a movie called Bad Samaritan. (Good Omens optional, since he's technically good there.)
Matt Smith as the avatar of Skynet in Terminator: Genisys.
Oh, and missed opportunity regarding James Bond: Timothy Dalton as Rassilon.
That wouldn't be meta if they weren't referenced in the show, but it could be fun as a separate video.
...I did include Dalton
@@PenneySounds I think I missed Dalt- No, I'm wrong. My memory went Pttthhhppt. Sorry.
You missed the guy who plays lawrence scarman and the imperial dalek agent also getting force choked by vader
8:13 is outstanding.
That's an interesting one. They made a fake bus prop as set decoration, and put an ad on the side for the very show it was going to be in. But they also used a piece of fan art to do it, without crediting the person who edited it, even cutting out the part with their watermark.
@@PenneySounds really?!? If they did that without permission that's legit grounds to sue. Surprised the BBC would risk such a thing, so I'm presuming they got permission
@@lio1234234 No, I saw some articles about it. The fan artist didn't even know until the episode aired
@@PenneySounds then they'd definitely have rights to sue. What were the BBC thinking?
Might be a bit of a grey area. It wasn't a painting, just some promotional photos edited together. I made sure to include the watermark here, anyway.
I guess this can all be explained by “spacial genetic multiplicity” as 10 put it in journey’s end.
Great combination of clips 👏👏
You’re right, this is confusing 😅
Well that's the BBCs centenary special of Doctor Who released early on the interwebz.
The BBC. 6 actors, 4 coats.
Some of this is just the same British actors being in everything.
doctor who ads in doctor who is terrifying
But he said the little green one, should’ve included the clip of yoda flipping around
I would if Frank Oz had ever played a role in Doctor Who
This was an afternoon delight.
Wow. Great editing....mind blown.
XD I burst out laughing at the Monty Python part
Great mix! This took a lot of time and dedication. Well done! 👍
This just proves that the BBC is just 8 people casting each other back and forth for eternity
I can't handle this.
Mostly comprehensive. Well done
wait wait wait so considering what happened with Rose Tyler going into a parallel world that means BEFORE she met the 9th Doctor she had a successful singing career but clearly fell off randomly around the time she joined the TARDIS otherwise she wouldn't be working in a shop....unless the shop was a side hustle
...i just saw the doctor who sign inside that tochwood episode...welp
Except the album is called "Billie"
@@baxtermortimer1550 That sign was there near Roald Dahl Plass for several years. I got the clearer shot of it from Google street view, because I couldn't find any other close up photos of it. I believe it was advertising the Doctor Who Experience. I guess they didn't think to cover it while filming Torchwood.
Also Michelle Ryan (Zoe Slater) was in plane of the dead as lady christina
enjoyed that immensly
5:06 almost gets even weirder when you realise that Matt Smith was nearly in The Rise of Skywalker
Also just remembered, David Tennant voiced Huyang in a couple episodes of The Clone Wars (and possibly the upcoming Andor series) and Tom Baker voiced Bendu in Rebels
I only consider the original 6 films to be Star Wars. But even then I could have picked more. Captain Panaka in The Phantom Menace being Solomon in the same Dalek story as Andrew Garfield was in, or the queen of Naboo in Attack Of The Clones being in Planet Of The Ood.
@@PenneySounds Clone wars is cinematic, If that fantastic series ain't star wars, I don't know what is. It George Lucas's last true contribution to Star Wars, and taught me war crimes are what the kool Kids do.
@@lbricks7631 Clone wars got tainted by being revived as a Disneywars show
@@PenneySounds hold on, you are fine with timeless child stuff and consider Agents of Shield canon but you draw the line at Disney Star Wars content?
Most of these are because there’s only like three dozen actors on that island! 😂
the scene in The Shakespeare Code where Martha talks about Harry Potter annoys me on a level it REALLY shouldn’t. they had the opportunity to mention Barty Crouch jr or at least the 4th book/film but chose to mention the 7th????
Because the seventh book wasn't out yet, and only a time traveler could have read it
Pitching how Eve Myles plays both Gwen in _Torchwood_ and her ancestor Gwyneth in “The Unquiet Dead,” and even has a brief role in _Merlin_ as the Lady Helen.
Because there’s no such thing as *too* meta. _It’s all relative_ … in a *_meta_* way. 🌐
Can you imagine if Doctor Who ever mentioned Broadchurch?
@@PenneySounds Calling it now: it’ll be mentioned in the 60th Anniversary special, as will _The Catherine Tate Show_ (with a subtle reference to one or more of Neil Patrick Harris’ works, ‘cos it’s gonna be Legen- wait for it…)
@@PenneySounds Calling it now: it’ll be mentioned in the 60th Anniversary special, as will _The Catherine Tate Show_ (with a subtle reference to one or more of Neil Patrick Harris’ works, ‘cos it’s gonna be Legen- wait for it…)
@@PenneySounds Calling it now: it’ll be mentioned in the 60th Anniversary special, as will _The Catherine Tate Show_ (with a subtle reference to one or more of Neil Patrick Harris’ works, ‘cos it’s gonna be Legen- wait for it…)
@@RyanNerdyGamer Is there an echo in here?
Awesome edit
Britain has 8 actors, 4 writers and 2 directors 😂
You forgot the Spiderpig scene from the Simpsons Movie since Andrew Garfield was in the episodes with pigs in New York.
But they didn't mention the Simpsons anyway, and that's just my reach.
4:30 i mean could of been Ash Williams
Just goes to show you there are only about 5 actors in the uk
This has got to be the biggest brain video ever!
Would you count the Earl's Court Tardis mentioned in Bells of St John?
Sort of? It really only exists because of the show
Brilliant!
no way they actually did that last one
They sure did. The Seventh Doctor and Ace went back to 1963, right after the very first episode.
This was very cool!!
This is brilliant
Just wonderful.
Can't bear Fry, so I didn't get very far
4:18 HOLY SHIT THE GREAT INTELLIGENCE IS IAN MCKELLEN??
I didn't think there was anyone who didn't know that
@@PenneySounds I just never made the connection when watching the show but now I can't un-hear it
There are plenty of references to other franchises in the animated episode Dreamland.
"I have been authorized to speak on behalf of every security agency around the globe"
I haven't watched the show in a couple years (pretty sure I stopped in the last Capaldi season). How the hell does this make sense in context? AFAIK every country's security agency is protecting against some other country, so I don't see how they could ever work together. I know the DW world is different from ours, I just need to know what change exactly caused this unforseen alliance.
...Aliens
@@PenneySounds But the actual aliens, not the horror movie, that the 12th Doctor was offended by. XD
This was great
I’ve always been jealous of Richard Dawkins because he gets to lie on top of Lalla Ward every night
They broke up actually
Faction Paradox will always be my favorite mess of Doctor Who meta.
Just a bunch of writers setting out to try to break the show in every way they can and giving us a delicious incomprehensible slurry.
Seven degrees of doctor who
i, nerd both of lotr and doctor who, choose to believe that the doctor was, in fact, at one point, radagast the brown
how does this work? i have no idea. perhaps the doctor is a maia. perhaps aiwendil isn’t. perhaps they are separate people but good friends and they decided to switch places one day. perhaps they’re the same person but their timeline split in some timey wimey way so they have several separate origins, which i’m pretty sure is already part of dw
My brain whilst watching this: 🤨😯😲🤯🤯
What episode is the last one from?
Remembrance of the Daleks
I just watched City of DEATH!
Can someone explain the references?
Wow wow wow, wait a minute, Rose is in a 90's girl band??
Billie Piper was a solo pop star before she began acting. She was Britney Spears with extra Brit.