Tattoo Enthusiast Reacts To: Tattoo Gate TikToks
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In todays video we take a look at some tiktoks related to the recent tattoo scandal named Tattoo Gate!!
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That person defending TattooGate still doesn't have a legitimate argument, because she DIDN'T get art out of that fee! She didn't get a tattoo, she didn't get the labor, she didn't get something she could hang on her wall! She got 10 minutes of Google searching foxes so that the tattoo artist could figure out whose work to trace for the sketch!
Exactly. And even if that sketch had been drawn by her from scratch that would be worth like 10-20 $.
I'm not joking. I've seen way better on deviantart for 10 $.
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@@JuMiKu even 20 bucks seems generous for it. i can understand 1500 for a finished custom piece of art...but that's not what was delivered, not even close, it was barely even a proper sketch
100% agree with you
She was 1000% kidding lmao just super committed to the bit
Hey, now. Calling her a "scam _artist"_ implies she's any type of _artist._ 😅
("Her" of course being the scammer.)
Cheers! You're lovely! ❤
The person who was pro-Tattoo Gate is probably only that defensive because they pay those types of rates and don't want to believe they are being scammed.
@@viewer6152 couldn’t agree more!!
Either that, or when she was talking about the one on her thigh, she mentioned how it almost got infected. I'm betting she believes that more expensive automatically = much higher quality, so someone charging $6,000 on their high end tier *"must"* be the best of the best!
Frankly, I'm glad I had people with tattoos around who could answer my questions before I talked to anyone at any tattoo studios. They told me things to watch out for, things to expect, things to remember (like tipping,) and it was a huge help.
Honestly if you can afford those prices, more power to you. But I think it says something that a lot of artists who probably could charge those prices if they want to and are way more talented than her are saying, "No fuck that. This is not how you run a business and this is not how you treat your customers."
My theory is that they didn't look into what Tattoogate really was, just saw that people were mad at someone charging $1500 for something tattoo related, and didn't look beyond, probably thinking that it was $1500 for the whole tattoo (which, while expensive, would not be crazy for a big piece in colour or something). And they looked absolutely stupid in the process... ^^
@Katell Drouet She really didn't do herself any favors by speaking about the infected tattoo. She obviously didn't think this through.
"im all about miserableness *three seconds later* are ya cozy? are ya covered and hydrated?" i love her so much omg
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That first clip. The fact that he’d doodled a crappy animal face and written FOX ⤴️ had me in pieces. 😂😂😂
I was wondering if she saw that or not
To the girl saying tattoos should cost more...no thank you lol my artist is already $200 an hour. If an artist prices their rate too low, thats their OWN fault. If artists adapted that pricing system, like you said, people would stop getting tattoos and artists would be struggling to stay in business.
Agreed. If these artists weren't factoring in everything into their prices we'd have much fewer shops staying open..
Yeah I'm not sure how they don't understand that if you're dropping ~$1000 for 1-2 days of their labor while you're in the chair, then obviously you *are* paying for the artwork done outside of that time as well as their equipment/studio costs, and it's already been factored into the price...
One thing that really gets me about tattoo gate, is that I can commission a fully rendered illustration for $300-$500, AND I get to see it at various stages throughout the process (sketch, lineart, flats) and request like 3-5 revisions for free. For $1500 from my favourite artist I could get 6 separate fullbody, fully coloured and shaded character commissions. If you're going to charge a design fee, it shouldn't be so WILDLY outside normal commission prices.
Exactly. I'm an artist who does commissions, and there is no way I would send that crappy sketch to anyone as a finished product, for any price. Maybe as a WIP to work out the composition and layout. Which you know... Would be included in the price of the commission.
Yes. The highest commission price I've seen for an art piece is $500, and that was for a piece with several (like 6 or 7) different characters, full body, with color and background, 20x30 inches in size, as many revisions as were needed, and done by a popular artist. Many commission artist do half price upfront, and half price when it's finished to hold the customer accountable. Which may be reasonable for tattoo artists to do if they really want more security, but they can't just start adding extra fees that don't apply to the final cost of the tattoo.
$1500 would get someone, like, over 100 fully detailed/shaded scenes w/ one character with my art 😭
@@TechTchnoJudging by your channel, and there’s no mal-intent here, your artwork isn’t professional level. OP was probably referring to a professional and well-known artist’s commission prices which can get very pricey, very quickly but for good reason. Give it a few years and maybe you’ll be charging similar prices and selling art in all different directions 😊
Same. I've commissioned a drawing of an dragon from one of my books from an artist who works professionally, mostly doing concept art for games, but occasional commissions. It was like 400 euros, and it is STUNNING. Plus, I got to see the sketch, the lineart, the flat colours and finished product all for that.
I commissioned a book cover for even less - like $200, and it, again, is amazing. Again, I got the sketch, a first draft, and we did some mild revisions before the finished product.
I understand that tattoos must cost more for the actual act of putting it on the skin, but for the art alone? No excuse. NONE.
I love how everyone and their mother is just like "Excuse me? No, babe. That's not how tattoos work."
Tbf, my mom has gotten multiple tattoos from multiple artists, I think she knows what to expect /hj
“I do a mock up that may have nothing in it that we discussed.” 😂😂😂
That first parody is hilarious! 😂
the reactions across the internet to this atrocity restores my confidence in the tattoo community!
I'm not a tattooed person (yet) but I will say that every profession evolves. No profession is immune to evolution. HOWEVER, the girl who said that what this Tattoo Gate artist did was okay completely ignored one MAJOR problem, SHE TRACED THE FOX FROM AN ETSY STORE. Sure, a design fee MIGHT be the next set in evolution to the profession but IF I'm going to pay a design fee, it better be an original work of art, not something someone found online. In that case, I can design a tattoo by placing a piece of tracing paper over my computer screen, copy the image (I think I did this when I was a kid with cartoon characters and pausing my VCR) or use photoshop to design my own and completely negate the design fee and I'm sure I'd be able to find SOMEONE who tattoos decently to do it just for easy money.
Designing your own is so special 💜
Art should be included imo, but you should totally do your own design someday! I draw directly on my body, then recreate the lines in photoshop for the stencil. The tattoo artist still gets to blend in their own style, love it :)
I think the ethical issue is that the person who's doing the tattoo doesn't always know if you really made that design, so you should back it up. I bring references/sketches, print the lines, and show up with marker on my skin lol
That green haired lady is something else. Most people work minimum wage jobs to afford tattoos. They shouldn’t be reserved for only the wealthy. Tattoo artists would be out of jobs
Not only that her experience is tattoo shows and trash work that got infected. She even went to a show to get a huge deal to do it because it was too expensive. She is such a hypocrite
Imagine saving up year's for a tattoo just to pay for the concept 💀 and saving up additional 7 years for a change 💀 than you get it while you Childrens are grandparents them self 💀
When are we gunna stop saying "gifted artist"... it's a learned skill we put thousands of hours into. That's not a gift, that's dedication.
The person defending Tattoogate is very clearly being scammed by her tattoo artist and it's made her defensive. She wants to believe this practice can't be exploitative because, if it is, she would have to accept that she herself is being exploited. 🙃
The thing is, I don’t really care if artists wanna adopt the design fee system. If that’s what they wanna do, they’re within their right. So long as they are TRANSPARENT about it upfront and don’t just drop it on you after you’ve paid $200 for a consultation lmao. If more artists start doing this, I won’t be too bothered so long as they are upfront about it and don’t charge fucking thousands of dollars for a traced sketch.
This! I commission artists all the time for art that just exists on my hard drive. I do not mind paying my tattoo artist for the design of the piece, but the price has to be reasonable.
& don't nickel & dime, every contact, chat, decision, feeling, etc etc. Also, if they're charging for the art on paper, I want it under glass, w/ multiple mattings, & a beautiful guilded frame. 🖼️
@@LauraFunFunFloweries actually, I would legit pay more for a canvas of my tattoo concept that's mentioned in the original tattoogate highest tier. Just not $6000 lol
@@pkmntrainerlilly5 - Yes 😇
But what are the odds that artists will intentionally do a bad initial sketch to get more money for another one😶
I think it is reasonable to charge some amount for just the artwork, to discourage shopping-around for cheap tats, and because non-tattoo artists take commissions similarly.
...that being said, the last time I commissioned an artist, it was less than 100$, they worked with me for my absolute approval on everything, they were EXCITED to work on my piece, and I loved the finished product. Hustle culture in general sucks, but to apply it to artwork is soulless.
I think this is why most artists don't show you their drawing before your appointment (I'm sure some do or if you're a regular to your artist) because they can change things about the drawing during your appointment before the actual session
@@catieclark2133 Totally. I think that it can also be countered by paying a deposit that goes towards the actual tattoo. The situation is wild, but I do hope people don't come out of it with the wrong conclusions.
Yeah. I'd definitely be open to a non-refundable deposit or a reasonably priced custom art fee, especially as a first-time client. I'm the kind of person who'd insist the artist take something for their time if I backed out anyways, but not everybody's like that and if taking 25% of the estimate up front solves that for the artist, that's fine. I'd basically only expect that money back if they misrepresented themselves as licensed or showed up drunk, and I can fix both of those with a chargeback even if the fee says "nonrefundable".
As a tattooed nurse I 100% believe the tattoo industry and the medical industry are not much different, both deal with needles and bodily fluids, the risk of infections and the need to sanitize and clean effectively not to mention you are 9x more likely to get an infection in an open wound from a hospital than a tattoo studio because, unfortunately, hospitals can not effectively clean and sanitize to the standards required every single time especially in the emergency department because there are too many patients and not enough staff whereas a tattoo artist, a reputable artist does have the time which is why you are more likely to get an infection from the hospital than a tattoo and why, if you have an open wound, you are usually, not regularly but usually, prescribed antibiotics by the hospital as a "just in case"
That's why in Korea you have to be a doctor to do tattoos. I don't agree with that practice, but you're definitely not wrong
To the lady defending TattooGate:
I wouldnt have an issue paying for the design of a tattoo, if I pay for comms of my characters I kind of expect paying for a unique design from a tattooist aside from the price of doing the tattoo, but the thing is:
1. It was 1500 dollars for a sketch with no revisions
2. The sketch wasnt even what the client has asked for
3. It.Was.Traced
Wow, I can't believe there are apparently people out there defending this??? Also, most of the issues that were named as reasons why tattoo artists should charge way more (them being independent contractors, having to pay out of pocket for health insurance, retirement plans, etc.) are SYSTEMIC issues and cannot be solved by them trying to squeeze as much money as possible out of their clients!
Right, like their clients include people who also don't have employee health insurance or retirement plans. This is not a case of primarily working-class people providing a service to primarily rich people. No one is exploiting tattoo artists on a massive scale, it's just that capitalism by its nature doesn't play well with artistic professions.
Like you said, it's okay to ask for a small consultation fee. The shop I go to asks 50 euros for a consultation but that gets subtracted from the tattoo costs when you get it done. They are independent contracters and they should get paid for their time. But this is situation is fucking ridiculous!!
To be honest regarding the design fee, i have paid for this in the past - it ended up being free handed on my back, so i just paid for the hour it took to get the sketch perfectly symmetrical and the remaining 3 hours were spent actually tattooing. Although, all 4 hours were under his normal rate for tattooing and no additional fees were added simply for designing the piece.
This whole scandal has made me finally book a tattoo appointment after like six years 😂 The artist I found is wonderful and I will finally get the portrait of my dog that I've wanted for years now!
Love you pretty lady. Thanks for covering this so well so I don’t have to get TikTok!
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amen
"that was a great tiktok, mainly because there was a dog in it" i never identified so much with a sentence before
I'm a photographer and we also have courses that teach you how to up charge your work by selling prints, individual edits, a limit on photos, outfits etc. These techniques with packages look VERY familiar with these sales tactics I've seen myself. However if you're gonna upcharge, you need to provide a luxury service to people! If you're paying a design fee, you're paying for a beautiful piece of art, not some scrap sketch. There's noting wrong with charging for your time and efforts, but this whole situation makes everyone who owns a business look crazy. Over inflated with no quality.
The "is this an infected pie?" one looks like that 2-week-old unrefrigerated pie in the Dumb Ways to D*e song... 🤣🥝💚🖤
The wild thing to me is that the POINT of sending your client a rough sketch is literally to show them the vibe the finished piece will have so they can tell you what they think and you can make changes on something that didn't take long. Like. That is the literal point of sending your client a sketch in the first place.
I'm looking at this from the perspective of a visual artist who has illustrated songs and pieces of writing for other people and I could never imagine sending them a sketch and saying "well this is how it is and if you don't like it then I don't care"????
A sketch should not take you more than like, 20 minutes -- it's literally meant to be quick and a quick concept of the finished result, and in an art commission setting the money exchanged at this point would be a deposit (which would practically never be at a 1.6k rate, since artists who charge this much are usually hired by companies for marketing etc and have completely different contracts and are payed with total creative control for the client in mind with all the change requests that entails.)
What is wild to me is that this “business model” incentivizes the tattoo artist to do shitty work on purpose, or to do a different design than requested on purpose, so that they can then charge more and more to make each change.
I make custom designed costumes and I include the design, materials, and labor in my quoted price. I would think that most artists do this as well. It seems that tattooing would be set up similarly. I can understand charging extra if you do a detailed drawing that could be used as frame-able art, but for a design sketch that is just a concept that will probably be altered to fit what the client wants seems ridiculous.
The thing is, if an artist offered a higher deposit rate in exchange to send me the art ahead of time I would totally pay it! I understand artists wanting to protect their designs and this method would allow me to mess around with placement and allow me to make sure I absolutely love it and dont want minor changes. However this would only make sense if it was a deposit and not thousands of dollars!
I GOT MY FIRST TATTOO RECENTLY!! Idk where to go to submit it to the “reacting to my subscriber’s tattoos” thing but I’m going to wait until it’s fully healed to show it anyway and I absolutely love it
Edit: I just checked one of those videos and I saw that you use a google form, good to know😊
I think I remember her saying she was going to stop doing those! Not 100% sure tho
Getting my half sleeve tomorrow, so buzzed!
Yaaaaay!!! Have a great session ❤️
I don't have much to say that hasn't already been said. But as a tattooer of 6 years I've learned how to factor my expenses into my hourly. I started at a lower rate and worked my way up to where I am now. Consultations have always and will always be free and sometimes I even draw multiple designs for a client if inspiration hits while designing. It hurts to see people in this industry who don't love making art. Don't get me wrong, not all my tattoos have been exciting for me personally, but you have to think of the client and how excited they are to get it.
That doctor really had us in the first half, ngl. 😂
Just before you said "collect your pets" my kitten (Bobby) came and sat in my lap, it's like he knew 🤣🥰
I love how I instantly subconsciously grabbed my blanket and coffee in the first 30 seconds forgetting we have a regular check up from you that we’ve all got our blankets and bevs😂 it’s become second nature when I see your videos to get all cosy and ready for the tattoo contenttt❤❤❤❤
In response to the one woman trying to defend the ludicrously high prices, An artist asks for a deposit to hold your appointment time AND to pay for the sketch! That 50-300 dollars- what have you- is the deposit for their time. The deposit tends to be much lower if you're getting flash work. Why? BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THE TIME IT TAKES TO DRAW IT. A digital drawing varies in price but is usually in that range. The artist's hourly/day rate is the cost of the physical service to tattoo that image on you. THAT is where they can charge you for their experience, their "prestige," equipment, and the actual time to do the tattoo.
This is about a specific tiktok in this video but...If someone ever says "gifted artist" immediately I'm tuning out of whatever they are saying. "gifted" artists aren't a real thing, people who are serious about it and even people like me who just do it as a hobby take a lot of time to learn this stuff and having all of that time and effort being boiled down to just "oooh you are sooo gifted were you boorn to draw" is so annoying to me. It also shows that the person has no fucking idea what they are talking about.
22:53 I'm not a tattoo artist, but I am a sculptor. My work also requires significant planning and design before I can even start on the final product. While I understand that sculpture and tattooing aren't the same, I personally would never charge a design fee. A deposit is reasonable, but it should go toward the final price because the final price should include all of the labor, time, and experience that goes into a piece, including during the planning phase. So a deposit ensures that even if an artist gets no-showed, they are still compensated for their work designing the piece, preparing to tattoo them, and reserving the time. However, that deposit should be part of the final cost, not a separate fee, and the artist needs to be honest with themselves about what that deposit should be. The issue isn't necessarily total cost (though in Ariel's case, it 1000% is). It's the idea of charging someone separately for something that is a necessary part of the process that they would've had to do anyways to complete the final product. If you want to get paid for making drawings, then sell your drawings, but if you want to tattoo, you are being paid for the tattoo. From my perspective, if someone commissioned a sculpture from me, it would be wildly inappropriate for me to charge them a dime for designing the sculpture before the sculpture is delivered. At the end of the day, they aren't paying me because they wanted a plan for a sculpture. They're paying me because they wanted a sculpture. An artist can ensure the client signs a contract that adequately protects them before starting any work to avoid getting screwed, but the client shouldn't be getting screwed either. The idea of people having to pay separately for the plan of the final product on top of paying for the final product just doesn't sit right with me as an artist. It feels like a restaurant charging guests a separate dish fee.
My dog just passed away a couple hours ago, and this cheered me right up. Love getting comfy with your videos. thank you
I'm so sorry! Sending love and good vibes!
@@nf3841 thank you ♥️♥️♥️
The idea of paying a design fee is insane to me because clients would just bring someone else’s work and ask the artist to copy it!
That's a good point actually but if you really love an artist and their style you might find yourself willing to pay a lot more...
@@dopex89 100% I just thought of this from the perspective of someone like me who has a specific image in mind that they want tattoo for example I want to get the Slug Girl from Junij Ito’s Uzumaki tattooed on my leg and if i was AH I would just takes the manga image to an artist and insists they copy it line for line! But I’m not nuts so I’ve been looking for artists that do anime + whimsical animals + Black and white!
I was having a chat with my artist last week about this whole mess. We agreed that it should be normal to charge a design fee if the client wants the design in advance, and then to take that off the tattoo cost when they actually get it tattooed. This way it discourages people who want to get a design made and tattooed somewhere else for cheap, but eases the concerns of clients who need to see their design in advance for peace of mind.
watching this video whilst trying to write an email to a studio about getting my first tattoo - exciting!!
Congrats! What are you thinking of getting?
@@desiv3025 long story short I'm finishing my theatre degree and my coursemates want to get matching tattoos of some theatre masks (which is something I've wanted anyway)
So some b&w theatre masks on the back of my arm above my elbow. Wasn't planning on getting it this quickly but I would quite like one before I graduate
What, this tattoo artist didn’t include a hygiene fee?! I’m shocked! 😂
Love the Ariel jumpscare thrown in there 😂
I love that tattoo gate transcends the tattoo community and people in other communities are making these memes on it like the baking one and doctor one it's so good.
Okay, I commission art on a semi-regular basis (usually a few a year). I've never gotten a tattoo, but I know something about paying artists for designs. I can understand paying for the art separately, and even paying a little more if the client needs a design from scratch and doesn't have a reference, but we're talking... maybe a few hundred, max? The most I've ever paid, full-color for busts of 4 characters including hands, would've been about $320 at full price (I got a discount at the time but I'd be willing to pay full price next time), and that was from a very popular and very good artist. It involved pre-existing characters, so I didn't incur a design fee, but that's usually only about +25% on most artists' commission sheets. Just to put that into perspective. I'd be willing to pay an extra couple hundred for the design fees for a tattoo, but... not a thousand, that's for sure! And if they're going to charge separately for that, I should have the right to go to a separate artist to get a design from someone else and bring in my own design that I own for free to avoid those fees and only pay the hourly rate for the actual tattoo.
Scary situation obvs I would hate to be pressured into paying loads of money for just a design or consult. The first tiktok was very funny as a sketch 😅 also laughed at duct taping headphones 😂😂😂
I'm not a tattoo artist, but someone did ask me to design their tattoo for them once the sketch mock up was free though they could change it as much as they wanted until finalized, it was 20 dollars, and it was all original, but she was also my cousin, and she gave me a generous tip I can't imagine charging that much unless I was working as a pro for a corporate entity.
The lady defending it was talking a lot but not really saying anything? I have a feeling she was scammed herself and is trying to justify it somehow.
I heard somewhere that the fox wasn't even her design, she stole it
I feel like instead of a design fee artists could charge more for deposits, that way if they're doing the pre-work of creating artwork and a client bails, they still get paid (more fairly than they typical $100 deposit) for their work.
Fun fact, the tattoo artist (Flip shades) who did the 1500 dollar fox tattoo did my first hand tattoo at the Amsterdam tattoo convention in 2019 :) He's such a lovely person!
Charging 50 - 100 bucks for a finished, detailed design (ie a piece of artwork) is reasonable, charging ANYTHING for a SKETCH is completely batshit insane.
Ok so somewhere recently I read that that artist was now spending A TON of money on PR to fix her situation - do we know if this is true?!
That first one in is just superb! 😂👏🏽
Lauren, the doctor had me at first too!! 😂😂😂 That was well done!
I’m gonna sell my rough doodles for £1000 a pop …. I’m gonna be like Scrooge Mcduck !
I just got a new tattoo last week, and my tattoo is mainly based on an obscure anime character. When we went in, the artist had four different variations drawn up, (which she was HAPPY to discuss and make minor tweaks to the one we went with) and as she worked, she was happily talking about researching the character, and googling through pictures to really get an idea of the best way to design what I wanted.
I had an original consultation with her that cost me $20 on top of the price of the tattoo, which I'd never had at that studio, but DAMN, do I think she EARNED that fee, because she put HOURS of research into designing what is now, and may ALWAYS be, my favorite tattoo❤
"Do you have your blankets?" ... *stares at 27°C at 22h31 after a day of heat mitigation* I'd rather die. XD
my artist charged me once for drawing up what i wanted, $$100 and it was basically exactly what i wanted, not a stupid elementary scetch
My artist charges $150 an hour and is the owner of the shop here in San Diego. Hopefully that’ll cover his future arthritis and back stuff
Your entire face during the one lady’s video had me DEAD 😂😂
Tbh I thought I was sick of hearing about "tattoo-gate" but these cracked me up!!!
And I hope YOU're doing very, very well ❤️
This world is filled with millions of super talented artists, who'll never get $1500 for a piece of their art. I don't necessarily think a separate design fee is unacceptable, but to pay that much, it would need to be pretty darn good. Not a traced sketch, which isn't even what I asked for. If you are truly talented as an artist and as a tattoo artist, you won't need to hide behind pyramid scheme level pricing tricks, because you have the skills to design tattoos people want to pay for.
I'm literally addicted to your vids lol
Oh wow thank you 🫶🏻
I also used her sketch as a reference ….. I drew it in literally 8 minutes, and went to the loo in that time !
Alpha Wolf goes hard, love the shirt!
That one chic okay with the tattoo gate…. Think she lost the point of her story halfway through. Think she needs to pay the $1600 for a poorly traced fox. 🤦♀️
The scammer artist is horrible and unethical and she should be shut down for that behaviour.
I hope that trend doesn’t take off or I’ll never be able to afford to get one. 😢
That said, the parody tik toks are hilarious! 😂
My fav headphones have a headband taped onto them 'cause I love them too much 😂😂
I always buy energy saving daylight bulbs! They help a bit with SAD but honestly they just make rooms look brighter and happier.
If ur a brit stuck renting a house that's been painted in the hateful magnolia colour, i promise this will help lol but mostly just try to cover as much as u can in art, decorations and even temporary wall paper (all wall paper can be temporary if its blue tacked or double sided taped etc)
gave my cat who was curled up in my arms asleep a kiss for you ❤ he is snoring its adorable 😻
I honestly dont have an issue with the concept of charging for tattoo artists design time, my issue is is that this specific payment scheme is designed to be predatory and to almost force the customer into keep buying packages so that they can end up with a tattoo they want. Dividing costs in this manner, being unclear on all costs potebtially involved and continuing to push additional costs is a clear manipulation tactic.
I’ve been doing tattoos and permanent make up for several years now. I charge a $50 design/appt deposit. But if they end up showing up and fulfilling the tattoo I take that $50 and take it out of the cost of the tattoo. It’s to protect me from people having me draw up a tattoo design 2-3 times and putting an appt in my book then just not showing up for it. They only pay the $50 when they go to fully book, and I usually return it if they decide to cancel and choose a different artist and can give me 2 weeks notice that they’re not showing up. But I also don’t draw my designs digitally and only allow people to take a picture of the sketch if they’ve made the booking. When I was first starting out I had a lot of college kids have me or other artists at the shop draw a custom piece just to take it to a cheap place and have some fly by night person tattoo my design. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with requiring a deposit, but scam artist tattoists make our entire industry look shady af
Hi, thank you for making videos ! Your videos are so wholesome and they make me feel better ❤
I'm not getting notifications anymore and keep missing uploads. Idk what's up, but better late than never I guess ♡
My favorite musician sometimes sells physical albums that are entirely done by hand. He burns one of his albums onto a blank CD, draws a doodle on a blank sleeve, and signs it. He's one of the most talented people around with a cult following going back decades, and I was lucky enough to order one of these gems directly, from his hands to mine (with a little postage in between).
The cost? $40.
Just saying, even when art is highly valuable to someone, that doesn't mean artists have to take advantage of their fans.
I don’t mind paying a design/consultation fee. However as an artist (not tattoo though) if I was running a shop the fee would be $100 and if you followed through with getting a tattoo it would go towards your tattoo cost. That way anyone that doesn’t follow through the artists are still having their time covered, but it’s still included in the total cost of the tattoo and not completely separated. I think that this would be a good middle ground.
Just leaving this as soon as the video starts but love alpha wolf! Great shirt
The 1st video is the live action of the event 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Honestly this lead made me finally get my 3rd tattoo. Paradoxicall maybe. My appt or for mid June!
Someone with that experience and “talent” should NOT be charging anything close to what she does. 😮
The fact so many people got tattooed and scammed by her with such a horrible portfolio... It honestly makes me mad.
Living for these 😂 ya girl is about to disappear down a rabbit hole of #tattoogate TikTok’s 👀
The tattoo gate thing is insane. I just got a tattoo and it was less than the design fee she asked! And still my mom thought that it was very pricey!!
Did that last lady with her reason for the prices of tattoos needing to cost that much miss the fact of the first lady tattoo gate lady getting a sketch that was mostly flowers when she sent over reference pics of 2 foxes in movement that those pics were mostly of. That's the point of the issue. The whole pricing set up was set up like a scam. So that the tattooer could draw something that needed more than just a tweak. Then the over $1,000 cheap end isn't worth the price. That everyone using her would probably have to get at lowest the second option. That's the point that she missed. She's also giving us clues as to why she thinks this way. 'Cause the leg tat that she has almost got infected and that was the one that she didn't pay any of those fees for. She's not thinking that she just went to a bad or not very good tattooer. Only if that tattooer charged her a design fee and it would've been a better tat. Probably not. She must of understood the amount that the first lady paid and never got tattooed. So her guy must charge her at least that much or most likely she wouldn't of been saying that people should be paying that much for a design fee. I also feel like she's being charged about that much 'cause she's giving reasons for why they should charge a lot. Ok, but the hidden fees kind of thing is the big issue with both tattoo gate tats. If the tattooers were up front, then these ladies or most clients wouldn't agree to these high prices. That's why the hidden fees thing exists. I can understand needing to up the prices for healthcare, etc... Just don't up it by so much. Like triple the price at least. Would this lady be ok to pay a lot more at a chain grocery store or chain restaurant so that the customer pays for the higher required minimum wage? Most likely not since it's like these companies can pay that extra cost. Maybe they can't (most likely they can). It's about the same with small businesses. People at some point have to choose what they can spend their money on. You will run out of money and credit at some point. People just don't want a sketch to start costing about $1,000 and it being one that isn't close to what the customer referenced while the sketch pretty much has to stay the same. Making that a loss of $1,000 for something they didn't want. That's what this lady isn't understanding.
I kissed my kitty on her cute little head and she purred contentedly.
Omg your wearing an alpha wolf shirt ❤️ they are from where I live and I love their music
I would understand a REASONABLE design fee for an intricately designed custom piece that you are going to have sent to you before hand to approve/change, because there is a risk you will go to someone cheaper with the design
Although i have never had a situation where i needed to see a design before the day of the tattoo. Ive also never made more than small size/positioning changes or color changes, nothing that required any redrawing
The doctor was my outright favorite until I saw the doughnuts - now it's a tie! 🤔
The pro tattoo gate person implying the cost of a space and extras isn't included in the cost of work when decent artists charge $100-150 hourly rate. Like idk about yall but that is a very high hourly rate. If an artist is fully booked and keeps their consults to a couple days a week that should EASILY be able to support a person living a normal life.
I really feel like you could get an original Jack Rudy sketch for 1500 😂😂
Like I've known tattoo artist to have a design fee. And if the person doesn't want to continue with the tattoo then they still get the design just on paper. If they continue with the tattoo it goes towards the deposit. But there design fee is about £100, depending on size.
I mean it's one concept sketch Michael, what could it cost? 1500?
I dont even have a tattoo but thanks to watching your content even I know that what that tattoo artist did was sketchy 😬
I agree that more artists should be upping their hourly rates in this economy, and I feel so bad for the backlash I have been seeing artists get for upping their hourly rates by like 50 bucks when they have been the same for years and years, but the AMOUNT lindsay was charging for literally nothing is entirely absurd. Like 1000 percent of what the tattoos would cost with an average good artist.
me: dying because of 21 degrees heat, maybe having a heat stroke
Treacle tatts's cozy demon: get the blanket right fucking now
This while tattoo gate business is so strange to me. So many questions! Who can pay these prices? Apparently there are some but wow! If I was told the consult fee was 180 alone-run the other way!