Kevin didn't bring back the Husnock ship each day as a personal penance, but to chase away or persuade away the Enterprise. He bought back his wife and the house in which they lived and just wanted to be left alone.
Asking because I don't know: Did Kevin appear in any novelization of the TNG crew's adventures? I suppose it is possible that the "penance" aspect appeared in print, but was never spelled out in the series.
The One, is the name of the "God" in ST5, and it was fleshed out a bit in the Q series of books, he was imprisoned in the glalactic core by the Q, after having taken part in a conflict with the Q causing a lot of damage to corporeal species. Kevin Uxbridge didn't bring the ship back to punish himself, he was fully in control of it, using it to try to ward off the Enterprise, and only made it look like it attacked them to make the Picard think he and his wife was dead, there was nothing in the episode that suggested he'd locked himself into any sort of cycle either intentionally or not.
I was going to comment nearly the same thing. Q-Space, Q-Zone, and Q-Strike were some of my favorite TNG novels in my teens. Casting Q as being inadvertently responsible for the rise of the Human race (by opening a space-time rift to save Lady Q from an asteroid that had been flung at her) offered a very interesting reason for why Q took such an interest in our race.
Five you missed from TOS... Mr. Flint from "Requiem for Methuselah" is calculated by Spock to being over 6,000 year's old. Apollo from "Who Mourns for Adonis", interacted with ancient Geece (so say, 4,000 years given Greek mythology originated around the 18th century BC). Bele and Lokai from "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" have been doing the fugitive chase for 50,000 years when Kirk and the Enterprise meet up with them. Sargon, Thalassa, and Henoch from "Return to Tomorrow" have been contained as telepathic beings in orbs since the last war on their homeworld 100,000 years before encountering the Enterprise crew. And the Organians from "Errand of Mercy" evolved past their humanoid millions of years before settling the minor dispute between the Federation and the Klingon Empire.
Apollo from The TOS episode "Who Mourns For Adonis" Flint from the TOS episode "Requiem for Methuselah" Sargon, Henoch, and Thalassa from the TOS episode "Return to Tomorrow" Ruk from the TOS episode "What Are Little Girls Made Of?"
@@Trekmaster47 and far older than Methuselah at about 6 to 10k years. Methuselah was only a few years older than most of the patriarchs recorded in Ch 4 and 5 of Genesis. In the script he was Methuselah too, but long life at that time is not strange according to myth or scripture of several civilizations. Most of the 1st age of mankind (1st ten generations of Adam/Eve through Cain and Seth) lived longer than 900 years and had children between 70 and 150 years. We're healthy and productive into their 600s and 700s. They were different humans than those generations following Noah (Noah also lived past 900) as God said his spirit could no longer reside in man, for they are flesh, and now their lives would be 6 score (120 years) starting with Noah's children. This began the 2nd age of man.
@@STho205 uh, yeah, thanks, but not to be a topic nazi or anything, but besides methuselah, were any of those people guest characters on Star Trek? just saying, there's a time and a place for sunday school, and this ain't it
@@Trekmaster47 the writer used a Sunday School reference, so it is appropriate to understand the story. it is just a reference of context to the character Methuselah which is the name of the episode and the character himself, assumed to be the Methuselah mentioned before he pretended to die and go away. Most people don't know the context of that story that inspired the screenplay. Most think he was odd in that he lived a very long time... But that was not true.. He lived just a few years past his contemporaries. A normal long life at the time in the story, not different than a 100 year old man today. So ummm yeah...you possibly did need this information. Most today are illiterate past a comic book treatment to classical tales and myth, which is the basis of most SF in the 60s. The writer was also reworking his script for Forbidden Planet which was inspired by The Tempest. In 1956 most writers assumed the audience was familiar with actual Shakespeare, as in 1968 writers assumed the audience had read the Bible themselves.
How could he miss Flint, in TOS Requiem for Methuselah? Much older than Guinan or the Borg Queen. As he stated in the episode: "I was born in that region of Earth later called Mesopotamia, in the year 3834 B.C., as the millennia are reckoned. I was Akharin, a soldier, a bully and a fool. I fell in battle, pierced to the heart - and did not die." Not to mention he was also "Brahms. And DaVinci. And Merlin, and Alexander . . . and many, many more."
Jerome Bixby also wrote a similar but expanded story (his last I believe) for the 2007 film The Man From Earth. It's mostly just a bunch of people talking around a fireplace, but I promise you can't take your eyes off it!
@@trayolphia5756 I agree the movie had some great lines like that too. Another favourite is when Spock tells Kirk "not in front of the Klingons" as he's about to hug him.
@@dompuma9620 one that I didn’t get as a kid, but did later on…the shared drinks and socialising at the end of the film between symbols followers, the klingons and the starfleet crew… Chekhov and sulu escorting vixis…Chekhov is CLEARLY staring at her ass…”she has vonderful muscles” Star Trek five is one of those “the storyline and plot sucks, but it had some good jokes which make it tolerable First time I showed the film to my best friend, she couldn’t stop laughing for several minutes…”nothing amazing about it…I know this ship like the back of my hand” (thunk)
*Redlettermedia's Mike LIVES to quote these lines, check them out for other great Trek content (note: they're not fans of the newer more action only star trek shows)*
You missed out the Greek god Apollo, from the TOS episode "Who Mourns For Adonis". Apollo was already several Millenia old, when contacted by the Enterprise crew.
In Voyager's "The Q and Grey" the female Q, while stuck powerless on Voyager complained about being "Tossed aside by someone five billion years younger." Would give the Q an age of over 5 billion years. If I remember my astronomy class correctly that would make her, at least, older than the Solar system, and over 1/3rd the age of the Universe. Q should have the top spot.
It's important to remember that for the Q, "time since birth" and "time for which one has existed" are not the same thing. For all we know she hasn't even been born yet relative to the events of the show in which she appears.
I think it was in Death Wish where Quinn said that the Q were once like humans but had evolved over countless centuries to their current state. Quinn, unlike other Q, seemed to not talk down to Humans. I would take that to mean that when he said they were once like humans that "once" was over 5 billion years ago.
I interpret it the way that the Q and the Prophets are both pretty much eternal beings that exist outside of our frame of time, thus sharing the top spot. Q are more fun though, so they should be #1
In STO the founders are old, but no where in the ballpark of old, old enough where they created the hurk, and fek’lhr but the iconians where an ancient myth and long gone long before the founders where around, the dominion is only around 2000 years old. In comparison Q wanted to take Picard like 2billion years in the past, which could suggest time frame wise if humans are just mere new born babies the founders are around 3-5 at the most; where the iconians would be around 20, wich died out 200,000 years ago and the tkon empire died out 600,000 years ago making them around 21, in the animated series the slavers owned the whole Milky Way like 1 billion years ago. An episode in ent where a race wanted to officially meet the humans wanted to prepare 5,000 years and that is just a party event. So all in all the founders are still just mere children.
I suppose in his defense, the DIRT part is the manifestation of the Continuum that falls within his level of comprehension. You and I see a paved road. lol. Sorta like that Dress meme several years back. Some saw a gold dress, others saw blue.
My mom used to watch soaps with him in it. I remember he ran around causing problems there too. That was about the time mom said it was "getting weird" and she stopped watching. Here it is (Days Of Our Lives): _"In 1986, shortly after their marriage, Eugene disappeared along with a time machine he was working on. Eugene returned in 1989 and hid in Kimberly Donovan's basement. Eugene had traveled into the future and built an android version of Calliope, which he brought back to the present. Eugene and Calliope were finally reunited, but men from the future came seeking Eugene's Calliope android and inadvertently took the real Calliope captive by mistake. Eugene managed to free Calliope and the two settled back down. Eugene went downstairs with the a.k.a, and presumably disappeared in his time machine."_ I don't remember any of that. But then I prob had my mind on kickball.
It wasn't clear how old that species was, just that the race (not individuals, per se) were ancient and brought the universe to themselves, rather than search the universe.
@@power2084 Is it? When is that established? It was sent by a race that is presumably sentient, but there's nothing to suggest the probe itself is. Hence why it's continually referred to as a probe.
@@Martial-Mat that true ! but has to be sentient, self aware software. But the guardian seem more like an automated response programed to interact to a certain level with those who enter its domain, to me not 100% "sentient" ... but again it is only my opinion
You also missed out Flint, from the TOS episode "Requiem For Methuselah", who stated that he was just over 3,000 years old, having discovered that he was immortal after being severely wounded in battle as a Roman legionnaire.
@@omega311888 and nowhere in the episode was there a mention of those beings possessing a short lifespan. If they were around before all the other aliens and were the basic blueprints for them, I’m guessing they were around for longer than the lifespan of v’ger.
In those Q Continuum books you referenced a few days ago, “God” is one of 0’s bad guy buddies who refers to himself as “The One.” For all his crimes against the universe, he is sentenced to exist inside that barrier where he can’t harm anyone, anymore. I know it’s not canon, but I like the idea.
A few other elders come to mind: The Comm man in The Omega Glory (TOS) who had seen the Year of the Red Bird TWICE . The Year of the Red Bird occurs once every 1000 years. Miri and the other Onlies from 'Miri' (TOS). As someone said earlier, Flint.. (TOS).
Granted, it's been a while, but I think the Khom guy Wu said he'd seen 42 Years of the Redbird, which came every 11 years, making him 462 years old. Wu's father was "well over 1000". Still a great catch, though! I'd forgotten about them till I saw your comment! 🖖🙂
The iconians died out 200,000 years ago, the tkon empire died out 600,000 years ago, slavers owned the whole Milky Way 1 billion years ago. Q wanted to take Picard 2 billion years in the past, the head from undiscovered country (is in a book so beta not official) fought the Q and lost, (the reason why the tkon empire died out) he was from another plan of existence as well. Don’t know exact dates but the Q new era could have began during the birth of the universe and somehow transformed to how we see them (head canon) I believe the new era began during the Big Bang. Q live outside the space time continuum and are from the Q continuum.
That presumes that Vger did not travel backward in time when it passed through the black hole. Like the ship in the film Sphere. It seems fairly unlikely that Vger could have visited/experienced so much in just a few centuries that it felt it had seen everything that satisfied the criteria of its simple programming. Especially considering it would have taken quite some time just to reach that black hole.
this reminds me of the quote " The Road to hell is paved with good intentions. " This is only just one possible glimpse and interpretation of the Q continuum. there was the one where the Q was having a civil war , in the episode the Blue and the Grey.. there were forests and towns and it looked much like 19th century America during the American Civil War.
It seemed like they tried to present it as 1800ish? So he was probably at least 600 maybe more. Who knows he may have had other host families before Crusher.
But it was because God was created by humans. The idea was that that being was interpreted as God by early humans just because it had little powers, just like God of the Bible and torah.
Yeah, it seemed like a sub-Q species that instead of the Q style amusement but no interference that could change the Universe approach to dealing with people was more interested in influence and subjugation. And I say sub-Q, but I think that's overestimating its abilities vastly. The Q locked him away there, he's somehow not able to escape, while Q can go to the moment of the Big Bang and take the Big Bang to their face and have no issue with it.
@@TheBooban No, that was the being that was considered to be God by the people who wrote the Bible. The God of the Bible has very limited powers and so did that being.
5:40 I’m sure this has been pointed out but... ‘Voyager 6, the real life probe’... ?!? There are real life Voyager probes; Voyager 1 and 2. Any Voyager probes after that are fictional as the program was cancelled before Voyager 3 left the planning stage.
Some others have mentioned the Metrons from "Arena" and the Organians from "Errand of Mercy", but you can also throw in Flint from "Requiem for Methuselah" 3rd season TOS, and consider the android Ruk from "What little girls are made of" from first season TOS. Not to mention the Greek God Apollo in "Who Mourns for Adonais?", and the Entity named Rejak from "Wolf in the Fold". And then there is "Let this be your last battlefield" - Bele says he has been chasing Lokai for 50,000 Earth years. And perhaps the TOS episode "Return to Tomorrow" with the entities Sargon, his wife Thalassa, and his former rival, Henoch, with their essence inside those globes, wanting to have living and/or android bodies. I'm sure I'm just scratching the surface, as there are so many instances in all of Trek, I'm sure. Anyway, thanks for the video, and keep up the great work!
You have forgotten several: The Organians: TOS, Errand of Mercy Ancient Humanoids: TNG, The Chase / The Preservers: TOS, The Paradise Syndrome (suggested as being the same race) Arretans: TOS, Return to Tomorrow The Beta XII-A entity: TOS, The Day of the Dove
You forgot, Apollo and the Olympians, who had been around since around 1000 BC on Earth, and who knows hold old they were before getting there. The Organians who had evolved from something similar to Humans thousands of years before they were encountered by Kirk and Spock. Flint, who was Leonardo Di Vinci, so had lived at least since the 1500 on Earth.
Here's a question I'm sure everyone one would love to know. Which one of the cosmic entities with their god-like abilities is the strongest/holds the most power?
I would say the Organians, they are more benevolent and peaceful than the Q and don't make pests of themselves, I would put their power up against the Q's any day.
@@55Quirll While impressive, it is unclear whether the Organians' display of power is any lesser or greater than the Q. Their powers are so unfathomable in scope that humans simply don't have any good frames of reference for gauging that power. It's kind of like trying to tell how big a particular ocean is by looking at it.
@@stevenmorton2059 True, but they don't act like children like the 'Q' do. I would have more respect for them but it's not explained what happened to them in 'Yesterday's Enterprise' when the Federation and Klingons had been at war for 20 some years. Just an observation. Take care
Also I doubt that thing had any influence on any race's mythology. It's more likely the it read the minds of Sybok, Spock, McCoy and Kirk the gain knowledge of the Christian God (The real one ;), and The god of Sha Ka Ree.
@@CptPhillips "Sha Ka Ree? A vision you created. An eternity I've been imprisoned in this place." Arguably, this thing wasn't a god, but a sort of outcast of creation, like the Titans.
I suspect that the being "Shakari" might be a Cytherian that the Enterprise D encountered and who seized control of Mister Barclay's mind in "The Nth Degree". But the one that the enterprise-D met was benevolent instead of evil.
@@vFANGv Why think that? It seems that the only thing they have is that they appear as floating heads at one point. The Shakari being only appeared as a floating head because that is what the crew expected - he explicitly said so. He could have appeared as any imagery. So, had he appeared as a talking snake or a transparent goo, (even with the blue static effect) would you still make this association? All this said, I think the idea is fun. It just seems baseless.
@@CptPhillips There is no real Christian God. People call this guy God because of similarities with the Christian God. If you read the Bible carefully, the nature of this god and the God of Bible is pretty similar.
That was cringey. The only sensible canon reason is that Q wants to bested in intellectual combat not deal with a violent moron. That's how Sisko was introduced, and thankfully the writing got loads better.
What about the gooey black creature(Amos?) In the episode SKIN OF EVIL?! Being shed and left behind by an unknown race ages ago should have qualified it for your list !
He was the palimony lawyer who sued a man who dumped his long time girlfriend. His name escapes me right now but he was just a lawyer so who cares about him!!🙄
Interesting list. The only adjustment to it imo would be switching the places of the first and second candidates at the top of the list. Reason being that while both are practically equal the Q as stated are in a bored state where as the Prophets are not yet from what was showcases of both of them in the entire franchise.
@@chbu7081 That amount of age definitely explains the Q's boredom in general. Any long lived species would succumb to this boredom. Of course the amount of boredom is directly proportional to the length of time the species lives. Longer length of time equals more boredom.
I'll mention a few episodes from TOS that may be worthwhile: The Squire of Gothos (I don't know if their race was mentioned) The Devil in the Dark (Horta) Metamorphosis (The Companion) Day of the Dove (energy being that feeds on hate) Wink of an Eye (aliens exist in accelerated time). I mention this episode only because they could live many hundreds of years, if not thousands, when compared to us. There are a few others, but I think they've already been mentioned.
@@stairwayunicorn4861 The Founders are from a different part of the Galaxy and aren't without their own evil tendencies. So I don't think it's all that likely.
Since there were references to the animated series, we should also include Quetzalcoatl. And as for the 'God,' it was Q and 0 that brought him into our universe in the Q Continuum trilogy - along with (*) and Gorgon. Assuming that's all canon, then there's no way to know exactly how old these 5 entities are, but there are pretty darned old.
You missed Trelane from "The Squire of Gothos" and the entity that called himself Flint/Da Vinci/Mozart in "Requiem for Methuselah", both on the original Star Trek.
The Q have to be the oldest since they have been around since the beginning of the universe. If the prophets originated on Bajor then they wouldn't be as old as inhabitable planets are found mostly within systems similar to our own, making them at most a few billion years old.
I agree. Several novels even hint that the Q created the Guardian of Forever, and are responsible for imprisoning God, within the barrier at the center of the galaxy. 🤔
Good to see that Trek Culture still doesn't know what research is. Although beta canon, "God" was a prominent character (part of a group including a very young Q) in the Q-Zone/Q-Strike/Q-Space book trilogy, where after causing the downfall of the Tkon Empire, he was imprisoned on Sha Ka Ree by the Q (the female Q and Quinn from the Voyager episode). He was pulled through from another dimension (one million years ago) by the Guardian of Forever by the young Q, along wth the Beta XII-A entiity from the Original Series episode Day of the Dove), Gorgan (from the Original Series episode And The Children Shall Leave), and Nil (who tortured the Calamarain, as seen in TNG Deja Q). This also gives some idea as to who old the Q are. Q himself is at least one million years old.
Honestly, I feel Kevin Uxbridge was by far the most "human" godlike being I've encountered. For what ever mistake he made, he acted no different than what any of us would feel at that exact moment, we would all feel the exact same once gripped by the sudden lose and grief, only difference is he had the power to actually carry out that desire, and in an exact moment as well, I can't really blame him for what he did, I couldn't act any better in his position.
Regarding V'ger and the machine world being the Borg home planet, this came from a novel William Shatner had written called "The Return". Later Gene Roddenberry himself jokingly speculated that the planet encountered by Voyager might have been the Borg homeworld. The games Star Trek Legacy and Star Trek online games both also suggest there is a connection between V'ger and the Borg.
with the Borg creation I like the one where V'Ger created the Borg to help him with it's mission and then find his creator. There were black holes involved so I would guess that time travel and dimensional travel could have been involved too.
@@MatthewXLY nope of course not, Q existed as a corporeal being perhaps they "cheated" by living through all of existence then at the end of time they time traveled back to whatever was an existable time for them and continued to upgrade their abilities (I find it hard to believe any species could upgrade that much after only a single existence, perhaps that's how all extremely long lived and extremely highly advanced species had to do to have survived and advanced so much)
I quote from Captain Janeway on her description of Q: "Based on my research, you have been many things. A rude, interfering, inconsiderate, sadistic… Pest. And, oh yes, you introduced us to the Borg, thank you very much. But one thing you have never been is a liar." The Q has always been enigmatic including when they give some revelation of their origins and can be interpreted in many ways.
The "Borg Queen" is one of the worst characters in the franchise. Aside from the fact that she's a very poorly developed stock villain, her whole story line completely ruins the Borg mystique and their unusual quality of being a "collective mind" with no leadership or sense of individuality. That's what made them terrifying the first time we met them. After that, the show runners apparently said, "Ya know what? Let's ruin that. A borg can be an individual. 'Cause reasons. And we'll have Picard get assimilated, but instead of having his mind be just another cog in the collective mind, let's give him a name. Then let's have a Borg who turns into a real boy (7 of 9)." The fact that any Borg had its own designation or name already ruined the original premise of the Borg and took away the main thing they had going for them as antagonists: they were scary because we couldn't imagine being like them. You want to hate the Borg, because they destroy and assimilate everything, but there's a hollow sort of sadness in it, because there's no one to blame -- they're basically just an ever-expanding fungus slowly consuming the universe. Instead of finding an explanation that kept all of that intact, the writers decided to just make the Borg more like humans, so that humans could find a way to exploit their weaknesses, and the Borg became uninteresting overnight. The storyline with the Borg Queen was the nail in the coffin. She was basically a confession by the writers: "We give up. We can't think of any way to keep this good idea moving, so we just abandoned the whole thing. Here's a vampire queen Borg leader, because that kind of thing is popular in movies this year."
Honorable mentions: (1.) The Organian Council of Elders (2.) The Metrons (3.) Immortal Mr. Flint AKA Micah Brack AKA Methuselah (4.) The Onlies children
@@power2084 Pocket Books (publisher) & Margaret Bonano (author) at the time weren't authorized to declare certain novels and reference books canon to the Paramount Pictures/CBS "official" material. For example, Hiram Roth and K'amarag are still only called Federation President & Klingon Ambassador.
@@ai6894 Hummm....I'm talking about the huge alien probe in the movie Star Trek 4, The Voyage Home. Are you telling me that the stuff in that movie isn't canon ?
The founders appeared on the next gen episode where they were flying around getting dna samples from planets to get a message. It might not be them but the life form was identical.
Since beta canon was mentioned (the destiny books) I feel obliged to mention that 'God' in beta canon was brought in from another reality by the Guardian of Forever because Q was bored and asked for 'something new'. God became too much to handle and the continuum locked him in the barrier, hence the reason ships could pass, but such a powerful being couldn't. So he could possibly be even older than our reality.
I have some thoughts on the order of this list, also I am fairly certain there are way older entities than the bottom 5 trekking around. Adonais/Apollo, Trelayn (may be a Q), Plato's Stepchildren, Methuselah/Flint, The Thasians, Balok, The Caretaker.....
The more I think about this video the less knowledgeable it seems. If you count V'ger shouldn't you count the doomsday machine that was projected to come from outside the galaxy? There are the aliens that trained Gary Seven from human ancestors. The Preservers planted Native American on another planet and likely had to be older than the human race. Non-corporeal aliens raised Charlie-X. What about the alien race from the Cage?
Sorry bud, but there was no real-life Voyager 6. There were only two Voyager probes in real life. I kinda wish that V’Ger was Voyager 1 or 2 in TMP, it would’ve been slightly cooler from a storytelling standpoint IMO.
Considering that the Voyager probs launched in 1977 and the movie came out in 1979and how long it takes to make a movie, the writers might have thought that there were gonna be more probes with similar missions. Can't fault them for that.
Not as old as the Q, since the Q have done everything and understand death. Nagilum didn't understand death and was confused about gender. While powerful, he was limited with his knowledge.
@@FriskyMeerkat Memory Alpha (and the context of the episode) list Nagilum as being extra-dimensional, so it wouldn’t necessarily be familiar with what’s what in our dimension. The Q, on the other hand, are non-corporeal, but there’s no indication that they’re extra-dimensional, so I’m not sure there’s a perfect apples to apples comparison to be made between them
The Iconians. I would also suggest the Preservers, but that would be stretching it a little. Also, the female changeling seems to be quite old and has seen a lot of mischief in her time, some of which she is responsible for. Of course, all of this is STO canon, so I'm probably not gonna see it on this channel any time soon.
I have always had a fan theory that the "Sha Ka Ree" entity was an imprisoned outcast member of the Q continuum. Kinda like in that one episode of Voyager.
The story was absurd, in my opinion. But the best part for me was the characters. It really showed the great friendship and comraderie among the crew--specifically the campfire and vacation scenes with Kirk, Spock, and McCoy.
@@kainguru1 It wasn't absurd at all or at least no more absurd than any other star Trek movie or episode. Some people didn't like it just because it exposed their religion as being fake.
At first I had to make you a compliment. I am not a native english speaker, but you make your content, even for a human being like me, in a way understandable. Some of you are from scotland or wales, but I understand everything...thanks for that. I am able to improve my speaking abilities. Please go on with these. What you didn't mentioned in this video were the founders, the preservers (even if they appeared in STO for longer than only once)
Kevin didn't bring back the Husnock ship each day as a personal penance, but to chase away or persuade away the Enterprise. He bought back his wife and the house in which they lived and just wanted to be left alone.
That what I was thinking when he said that it isnt the first time this channel said things that we way off base
Asking because I don't know: Did Kevin appear in any novelization of the TNG crew's adventures? I suppose it is possible that the "penance" aspect appeared in print, but was never spelled out in the series.
You are totally correct. Weird that they were so off base with that one.
Are the Dowd as powerful as the Q?
@@davesteller6301 I don't think they are as powerful as the Q, or else Kevin could have simply gone back in time and saved his wife.
The One, is the name of the "God" in ST5, and it was fleshed out a bit in the Q series of books, he was imprisoned in the glalactic core by the Q, after having taken part in a conflict with the Q causing a lot of damage to corporeal species.
Kevin Uxbridge didn't bring the ship back to punish himself, he was fully in control of it, using it to try to ward off the Enterprise, and only made it look like it attacked them to make the Picard think he and his wife was dead, there was nothing in the episode that suggested he'd locked himself into any sort of cycle either intentionally or not.
He wanted his wife back.
Would have been better writing if Kevin did his own penenace daily.
I was going to comment nearly the same thing. Q-Space, Q-Zone, and Q-Strike were some of my favorite TNG novels in my teens. Casting Q as being inadvertently responsible for the rise of the Human race (by opening a space-time rift to save Lady Q from an asteroid that had been flung at her) offered a very interesting reason for why Q took such an interest in our race.
Glad someone else read the Q series books.
Ya,why would he torment himself more ? Why can't people just leave him alone in peace ?!
"Why would God have need of a starship?" is one of my favorite lines in all of Trek!
You don't ask The Almighty for his ID !
@@SantomPh Isn't that EGO
Juat because you're god, doesnt mean you're the biggest fish in the sea.
One of my favourite lines in movies!
Five you missed from TOS... Mr. Flint from "Requiem for Methuselah" is calculated by Spock to being over 6,000 year's old. Apollo from "Who Mourns for Adonis", interacted with ancient Geece (so say, 4,000 years given Greek mythology originated around the 18th century BC). Bele and Lokai from "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" have been doing the fugitive chase for 50,000 years when Kirk and the Enterprise meet up with them. Sargon, Thalassa, and Henoch from "Return to Tomorrow" have been contained as telepathic beings in orbs since the last war on their homeworld 100,000 years before encountering the Enterprise crew. And the Organians from "Errand of Mercy" evolved past their humanoid millions of years before settling the minor dispute between the Federation and the Klingon Empire.
Fair play.
Good summation. Kudos!
Wow your good,but what about AMOS from SKIN OF EVIL ?
@thecritic8096 Q was on the original list in this video.
God, I hate Kirk.
Apollo from The TOS episode "Who Mourns For Adonis"
Flint from the TOS episode "Requiem for Methuselah"
Sargon, Henoch, and Thalassa from the TOS episode "Return to Tomorrow"
Ruk from the TOS episode "What Are Little Girls Made Of?"
I was just about to mention Flint. As the Biblical Methuselah, he was already ancient by the time he was mentioned there
You can also throw in Redjack as well
@@Trekmaster47 and far older than Methuselah at about 6 to 10k years. Methuselah was only a few years older than most of the patriarchs recorded in Ch 4 and 5 of Genesis. In the script he was Methuselah too, but long life at that time is not strange according to myth or scripture of several civilizations.
Most of the 1st age of mankind (1st ten generations of Adam/Eve through Cain and Seth) lived longer than 900 years and had children between 70 and 150 years. We're healthy and productive into their 600s and 700s.
They were different humans than those generations following Noah (Noah also lived past 900) as God said his spirit could no longer reside in man, for they are flesh, and now their lives would be 6 score (120 years) starting with Noah's children. This began the 2nd age of man.
@@STho205 uh, yeah, thanks, but not to be a topic nazi or anything, but besides methuselah, were any of those people guest characters on Star Trek? just saying, there's a time and a place for sunday school, and this ain't it
@@Trekmaster47 the writer used a Sunday School reference, so it is appropriate to understand the story.
it is just a reference of context to the character Methuselah which is the name of the episode and the character himself, assumed to be the Methuselah mentioned before he pretended to die and go away.
Most people don't know the context of that story that inspired the screenplay. Most think he was odd in that he lived a very long time... But that was not true..
He lived just a few years past his contemporaries. A normal long life at the time in the story, not different than a 100 year old man today.
So ummm yeah...you possibly did need this information. Most today are illiterate past a comic book treatment to classical tales and myth, which is the basis of most SF in the 60s.
The writer was also reworking his script for Forbidden Planet which was inspired by The Tempest. In 1956 most writers assumed the audience was familiar with actual Shakespeare, as in 1968 writers assumed the audience had read the Bible themselves.
How could he miss Flint, in TOS Requiem for Methuselah? Much older than Guinan or the Borg Queen. As he stated in the episode: "I was born in that region of Earth later called Mesopotamia, in the year 3834 B.C., as the millennia are reckoned. I was Akharin, a soldier, a bully and a fool. I fell in battle, pierced to the heart - and did not die."
Not to mention he was also "Brahms. And DaVinci. And Merlin, and Alexander . . . and many, many more."
Excellent point. I was thinking that myself.
Thank you for getting that one.
"There can be only one!"
Jerome Bixby also wrote a similar but expanded story (his last I believe) for the 2007 film The Man From Earth. It's mostly just a bunch of people talking around a fireplace, but I promise you can't take your eyes off it!
Mentioned that myself too.
Funniest line in The Final Frontier, (Bones McCoy): "Jim, you don't ask the almighty for his ID!"
Eehhhh…on par if not second to
“Bah, I liked him better before he died…”
@@trayolphia5756 I agree the movie had some great lines like that too. Another favourite is when Spock tells Kirk "not in front of the Klingons" as he's about to hug him.
@@dompuma9620 one that I didn’t get as a kid, but did later on…the shared drinks and socialising at the end of the film between symbols followers, the klingons and the starfleet crew…
Chekhov and sulu escorting vixis…Chekhov is CLEARLY staring at her ass…”she has vonderful muscles”
Star Trek five is one of those “the storyline and plot sucks, but it had some good jokes which make it tolerable
First time I showed the film to my best friend, she couldn’t stop laughing for several minutes…”nothing amazing about it…I know this ship like the back of my hand” (thunk)
That is pure gold, legend! Though Kirk did ask a legitimate question....
*Redlettermedia's Mike LIVES to quote these lines, check them out for other great Trek content (note: they're not fans of the newer more action only star trek shows)*
You missed out the Greek god Apollo, from the TOS episode "Who Mourns For Adonis". Apollo was already several Millenia old, when contacted by the Enterprise crew.
The Jack The Ripper creature from TOS’s “Wolf In The Fold” had to be at least hundreds of years old by the time we encountered it.
Redjac, yes. And it was implied that he could be even much older than that.
Just posted, think it was evil was supposed to be endless
@@HermanVonPetri ...... Old enough to inhale helium !
The Crystalline Entity was probably millennia old before it was destroyed.
And what about the giant space jellyfish from the first episode?
In Voyager's "The Q and Grey" the female Q, while stuck powerless on Voyager complained about being "Tossed aside by someone five billion years younger." Would give the Q an age of over 5 billion years. If I remember my astronomy class correctly that would make her, at least, older than the Solar system, and over 1/3rd the age of the Universe. Q should have the top spot.
The Q don't measure time like us, so for all we know they can be younger or older than each other
It's important to remember that for the Q, "time since birth" and "time for which one has existed" are not the same thing. For all we know she hasn't even been born yet relative to the events of the show in which she appears.
I think it was in Death Wish where Quinn said that the Q were once like humans but had evolved over countless centuries to their current state. Quinn, unlike other Q, seemed to not talk down to Humans. I would take that to mean that when he said they were once like humans that "once" was over 5 billion years ago.
I interpret it the way that the Q and the Prophets are both pretty much eternal beings that exist outside of our frame of time, thus sharing the top spot. Q are more fun though, so they should be #1
Second! What does God need with a starship?
An exiled Q in Q prison.
@@sammencia7945 so does that make the Qs the Arch Angels?
Honorable mention I have would be the Founders from DS9. I don't remember if they ever gave a clue to how old the Great Link is.
The Prophets are older than the Founders, it seems
And the creature that killed Tasha Yar.
In STO the founders are old, but no where in the ballpark of old, old enough where they created the hurk, and fek’lhr but the iconians where an ancient myth and long gone long before the founders where around, the dominion is only around 2000 years old. In comparison Q wanted to take Picard like 2billion years in the past, which could suggest time frame wise if humans are just mere new born babies the founders are around 3-5 at the most; where the iconians would be around 20, wich died out 200,000 years ago and the tkon empire died out 600,000 years ago making them around 21, in the animated series the slavers owned the whole Milky Way like 1 billion years ago. An episode in ent where a race wanted to officially meet the humans wanted to prepare 5,000 years and that is just a party event. So all in all the founders are still just mere children.
"The Q Continuum is a dirt road..." proceeds to show a paved road.
That was just the median strip through the middle of an incredibly wide dirt road.
@@xoose RIGHT!
I suppose in his defense, the DIRT part is the manifestation of the Continuum that falls within his level of comprehension. You and I see a paved road. lol. Sorta like that Dress meme several years back. Some saw a gold dress, others saw blue.
Lol time diffrent there
From comments, looks like the list needs revisiting.
What about Gary Seven? Or Apollo?
How old are the Organians? Or the Metrons?
How about Flynn? He was born at about 50,000 B.C.
@@joefaber1381 he was covered in a different comment. But yea, they missed a bunch of obvious ones.
@@joefaber1381 Flint.
I think Gary Seven lived a normal lifespan, it's just that the organization he worked for, The Aegis, was incredibly old
Huh....no mention of the huge alien ship in The Voyage Home ?
Missed Nagilum who didn't even understand death or a human's "limited existence."
Hava Nagilum! Hava Hagilum! Hava Hagilum! ve-nishmeha!
@@AdmrlLocke hahah that was in my head in the past haha. I’m glad to see someone else thought it too
You're right; and he was puzzled by the concept of mortality... the quintessential bad scientist at that.
Come to think of it, the character of Nagilum does sound at least a bit Naziesque regarding bad science about death.
It was number 11! Almost...
As far as I’m concerned John de Lance as Q is one of the best characters Star Trek brought in
Can't see anybody else playing that role.
I agree great casting and great star trek character
My mom used to watch soaps with him in it. I remember he ran around causing problems there too. That was about the time mom said it was "getting weird" and she stopped watching.
Here it is (Days Of Our Lives): _"In 1986, shortly after their marriage, Eugene disappeared along with a time machine he was working on. Eugene returned in 1989 and hid in Kimberly Donovan's basement. Eugene had traveled into the future and built an android version of Calliope, which he brought back to the present. Eugene and Calliope were finally reunited, but men from the future came seeking Eugene's Calliope android and inadvertently took the real Calliope captive by mistake. Eugene managed to free Calliope and the two settled back down. Eugene went downstairs with the a.k.a, and presumably disappeared in his time machine."_
I don't remember any of that. But then I prob had my mind on kickball.
What about the Traveler, also wasn't there a race that brought ships to their galaxy ?
It wasn't clear how old that species was, just that the race (not individuals, per se) were ancient and brought the universe to themselves, rather than search the universe.
@@furtim1 like some other races
@@jamesgoodwin4528 Is that a simile or a suggestion?
It was mentioned in Nth Degree that this race lived near the center of the galaxy, if I'm not incorrect
My favorite fannon is that "god" in star trek v is one of them on a prison planet
“What does *GOD* need with a starship?”
One of my all time favorite Trek lines.
I believe the machine race that sent V ger to Earth should always be a mystery. Not the Borg.
“I said, what does *GOD NEED WITH A STARSHIP* ?!”
Jim, you don't ask The Almighty for His ID!
"Dude, Kirk, _c'mooon..._ chicks dig the ship, you know this. Now let's go to Risa, eh?"
what about the Caretaker, being who flung Voyager into delta quadrant
Huh....no mention of the huge alien ship in The Voyage Home ?
@@power2084 That was a probe not a ship.
@@CelticVictory but it's sentient, just like the V'ger probe. So it counts.
@@power2084 Is it? When is that established? It was sent by a race that is presumably sentient, but there's nothing to suggest the probe itself is. Hence why it's continually referred to as a probe.
@@PetersonZF "but there's nothing to suggest the probe itself is".... huh, hello ? It's talking to whales in their language. Wake up.
I’m pretty sure “Gabriel Burnham” had nothing at all to do with the sphere. You’re going to make her cry.
Poor Michael
The guardian of the T'Kon empire is at least 600,000 years old.
that was more like a semi sentient computer program
@@fft2020 Star trek has already establiushed on multiple occasions that software counts as life.
@@fft2020 So are some of the characters in the video.
The Guardian of Forever claimed to exist before Earth's sun. So that's 4 or 5 billion years accord to our current theory.
@@Martial-Mat that true ! but has to be sentient, self aware software. But the guardian seem more like an automated response programed to interact to a certain level with those who enter its domain, to me not 100% "sentient" ... but again it is only my opinion
You also missed out Flint, from the TOS episode "Requiem For Methuselah", who stated that he was just over 3,000 years old, having discovered that he was immortal after being severely wounded in battle as a Roman legionnaire.
The oldest living person in Star Trek is William Shatner . 90 and still looks great .
Way to go, shatner.
Character not actor.
Mmmm... maybe he's a Q .....🤪
What about those aliens in the season 6 TNG episode “The Chase”? The ones that scattered their dna all over the galaxy?
They are all dead.
extinct
Does it really matter though? Nowhere did it say they had to be alive. Plus, they were still in the “StarTrek Universe”
@@Mac10Daddy nowhere in the episode was there a mention of those beings possessing a long life span, which is the actual point of this video.
@@omega311888 and nowhere in the episode was there a mention of those beings possessing a short lifespan. If they were around before all the other aliens and were the basic blueprints for them, I’m guessing they were around for longer than the lifespan of v’ger.
In those Q Continuum books you referenced a few days ago, “God” is one of 0’s bad guy buddies who refers to himself as “The One.” For all his crimes against the universe, he is sentenced to exist inside that barrier where he can’t harm anyone, anymore. I know it’s not canon, but I like the idea.
I do to it also adds alot to the Q which is always good in my opinion.
If I'm remembering it right, The One, Zero and * are Beta cannon i.e. book only. Alpha cannon is TV and movie only.
"The real live Voyager 6 probe"
Um, real life stopped with 2.
So far....
Haha i thought the Same
Very Doubtful any future Voyagers
In Kirk's timeline there were at least 6 voyager probes.
But...is this the real life? Or is this just fantasy?....I'll see myself out.
A few other elders come to mind:
The Comm man in The Omega Glory (TOS) who had seen the Year of the Red Bird TWICE .
The Year of the Red Bird occurs once every 1000 years.
Miri and the other Onlies from 'Miri' (TOS).
As someone said earlier, Flint.. (TOS).
Granted, it's been a while, but I think the Khom guy Wu said he'd seen 42 Years of the Redbird, which came every 11 years, making him 462 years old. Wu's father was "well over 1000". Still a great catch, though! I'd forgotten about them till I saw your comment! 🖖🙂
@@shibolinemress8913 thanks
That actually makes more sense given the alternative chronology of that world. 🖖
@@dwightvol473 🖖🙂
In Voyager 3x11 "The Q and the Grey" John de Lancie Q says that the Q have always existed, though I acknowledge that he could have been exaggerating.
The Q live outside of our Time-Space continuum so half a billion years ago is the same as last week to them.
@@briscoethecollie1510 yeah! he was married to female Q for 2 billion years.
@@briscoethecollie1510 pity i dont have that power i would rid the universe of evil in a day
The iconians died out 200,000 years ago, the tkon empire died out 600,000 years ago, slavers owned the whole Milky Way 1 billion years ago. Q wanted to take Picard 2 billion years in the past, the head from undiscovered country (is in a book so beta not official) fought the Q and lost, (the reason why the tkon empire died out) he was from another plan of existence as well. Don’t know exact dates but the Q new era could have began during the birth of the universe and somehow transformed to how we see them (head canon) I believe the new era began during the Big Bang. Q live outside the space time continuum and are from the Q continuum.
@@nopoint228 Good and Evil...there never can be one without the other.
If it is not on screen it is not in cannon. V'ger should not be so high on the list - it would only be a few centuries old. Younger than Guinan.
That presumes that Vger did not travel backward in time when it passed through the black hole.
Like the ship in the film Sphere.
It seems fairly unlikely that Vger could have visited/experienced so much in just a few centuries that it felt it had seen everything that satisfied the criteria of its simple programming.
Especially considering it would have taken quite some time just to reach that black hole.
Canon. Cannon is the weapon.
when it was sent out it was but a space probe. Its sentience is not dated
"Oh, we’ve all done the scarecrow, big deal."
In theory Tom Paris is/was pretty damn old. As they exceeded warp 10, they were everywhere at all times, thus kinda always existed.
I loved that line.
The 'real life' probe Voyager 6. Uh-huh.
Glad I wasn't the only one to point this out.
Yeah I third this remark.
@@MrFlashpoint1978 Unlike Voyager, which never got a 3rd.
The "dirt road" that is the Continuum looks awfully paved. 9:07
this reminds me of the quote " The Road to hell is paved with good intentions. "
This is only just one possible glimpse and interpretation of the Q continuum. there was the one where the Q was having a civil war , in the episode the Blue and the Grey.. there were forests and towns and it looked much like 19th century America during the American Civil War.
To YOUR limited mortal perspective...
@@TheNecropolis20 that was a CGI Cop-out
The anaphasic creature from TNG’s “Sub Rosa” had been with the women of Dr. Crusher’s family for generations. It must have been hundreds of years old.
It seemed like they tried to present it as 1800ish? So he was probably at least 600 maybe more. Who knows he may have had other host families before Crusher.
I always wondered if it's integration into the Crusher women line is responsible for Wesley's powers, somehow changing/affecting their DNA.
@@tetravega567 Wow. That’s an interesting take. They should do something with that on Picard…
@@tetravega567 That's an interesting theory
"Q" should have been in the number 1 slot, as he and the continuum are clearly the oldest due to being timeless.
I disagree with your characterization of the god character. You give him to much credit. I took it as if the character was a giant con.
So did I. Remember it told Sybok "Shakari? A vision - YOU - created." But by this thing knew enough to respond like it knew they calling it "God".
But it was because God was created by humans. The idea was that that being was interpreted as God by early humans just because it had little powers, just like God of the Bible and torah.
@@AnimeCritical no, this being disguised himself to what people think of God.
Yeah, it seemed like a sub-Q species that instead of the Q style amusement but no interference that could change the Universe approach to dealing with people was more interested in influence and subjugation.
And I say sub-Q, but I think that's overestimating its abilities vastly. The Q locked him away there, he's somehow not able to escape, while Q can go to the moment of the Big Bang and take the Big Bang to their face and have no issue with it.
@@TheBooban No, that was the being that was considered to be God by the people who wrote the Bible. The God of the Bible has very limited powers and so did that being.
Good episode but you missed out the caretaker
5:40 I’m sure this has been pointed out but... ‘Voyager 6, the real life probe’... ?!? There are real life Voyager probes; Voyager 1 and 2. Any Voyager probes after that are fictional as the program was cancelled before Voyager 3 left the planning stage.
That's just what they want you to think!!
@@freemanacount5609 Nice
Maybe 6 was after Bill Pickering to stop worrying itself
Some others have mentioned the Metrons from "Arena" and the Organians from "Errand of Mercy", but you can also throw in Flint from "Requiem for Methuselah" 3rd season TOS, and consider the android Ruk from "What little girls are made of" from first season TOS. Not to mention the Greek God Apollo in "Who Mourns for Adonais?", and the Entity named Rejak from "Wolf in the Fold". And then there is "Let this be your last battlefield" - Bele says he has been chasing Lokai for 50,000 Earth years. And perhaps the TOS episode "Return to Tomorrow" with the entities Sargon, his wife Thalassa, and his former rival, Henoch, with their essence inside those globes, wanting to have living and/or android bodies. I'm sure I'm just scratching the surface, as there are so many instances in all of Trek, I'm sure. Anyway, thanks for the video, and keep up the great work!
Thank you Sean, for giving us fans a look back at some of Star Treks most interesting life forms.
Many have already been mentioned. I'd also add Armus to the list.
You have forgotten several:
The Organians: TOS, Errand of Mercy
Ancient Humanoids: TNG, The Chase / The Preservers: TOS, The Paradise Syndrome (suggested as being the same race)
Arretans: TOS, Return to Tomorrow
The Beta XII-A entity: TOS, The Day of the Dove
What about Bevox from “Think Tank”? I swear he’s described as being a “few millennia”
I am gonna have to rewatch that one again, it was a great episode imho!
@@xenorac with a very evil and very compelling Jason Alexander!
@@flowertrue I had no idea at the time it was him! Very sinister!
One of my favourites that wasn’t mentioned was the Horta she was thousands of years old.
Damn! I've read tons of comments and yours is the 1st Horta. Exactly right. Chamber of the ages.
@@alanb8884 thanks
Voyager 6 is fictional probe.
I wish it was Voyager 1 or 2.
@@swifty1969 I wish we had at least ten of them back then...The possibilities!
You forgot,
Apollo and the Olympians, who had been around since around 1000 BC on Earth, and who knows hold old they were before getting there.
The Organians who had evolved from something similar to Humans thousands of years before they were encountered by Kirk and Spock.
Flint, who was Leonardo Di Vinci, so had lived at least since the 1500 on Earth.
Here's a question I'm sure everyone one would love to know. Which one of the cosmic entities with their god-like abilities is the strongest/holds the most power?
Q.
I would say the Organians, they are more benevolent and peaceful than the Q and don't make pests of themselves, I would put their power up against the Q's any day.
@@55Quirll While impressive, it is unclear whether the Organians' display of power is any lesser or greater than the Q. Their powers are so unfathomable in scope that humans simply don't have any good frames of reference for gauging that power. It's kind of like trying to tell how big a particular ocean is by looking at it.
@@stevenmorton2059 True, but they don't act like children like the 'Q' do. I would have more respect for them but it's not explained what happened to them in 'Yesterday's Enterprise' when the Federation and Klingons had been at war for 20 some years. Just an observation. Take care
Julian Goodman.
As the head of NBC from '66 to 1974 his Thanos-like powers canceled the entire Star Trek universe in 1969.
No Nagilum? He has been in that void pretty much forever, right? :p
Yes, pretty lame to leave out Nagilum in this top 10 list.
@@bigguy130 I figure they'll make another one, at least. Plenty more ancient characters to highlight! :)
As Spock put it, “This is NOT the god of Shakari, or any other.” That thing was not God, and it drives me nuts that anyone calls it that.
Also I doubt that thing had any influence on any race's mythology. It's more likely the it read the minds of Sybok, Spock, McCoy and Kirk the gain knowledge of the Christian God (The real one ;), and The god of Sha Ka Ree.
@@CptPhillips "Sha Ka Ree? A vision you created. An eternity I've been imprisoned in this place." Arguably, this thing wasn't a god, but a sort of outcast of creation, like the Titans.
I suspect that the being "Shakari" might be a Cytherian that the Enterprise D encountered and who seized control of Mister Barclay's mind in "The Nth Degree". But the one that the enterprise-D met was benevolent instead of evil.
@@vFANGv Why think that? It seems that the only thing they have is that they appear as floating heads at one point. The Shakari being only appeared as a floating head because that is what the crew expected - he explicitly said so. He could have appeared as any imagery. So, had he appeared as a talking snake or a transparent goo, (even with the blue static effect) would you still make this association?
All this said, I think the idea is fun. It just seems baseless.
@@CptPhillips There is no real Christian God. People call this guy God because of similarities with the Christian God. If you read the Bible carefully, the nature of this god and the God of Bible is pretty similar.
You forgot Mr. Flint who was born in 3832 BC in Mesopotamia, he is 6,000 years in 2262, the oldest living human.
I still believe the "Living Machines" that upgraded V'ger are the Advanced Synths that were introduced in Picard.
Depending on how you define “character”, another ancient character was the doomsday machine, which it was surmised was thousands of years old.
Yep. Q only messed with The Sisko once. And then promptly never did it again.
That was cringey. The only sensible canon reason is that Q wants to bested in intellectual combat not deal with a violent moron. That's how Sisko was introduced, and thankfully the writing got loads better.
@@patrickmccurry1563 "Violent moron"... Q deserve that punch.
Cause Sisko is the Feederation’s pimp hand
On the Original Series episode "Return to Tomorrow," Sargon, Henoch and Thalassa are 500,000 years old.
The Ba'ku should get an honorable mention.
You're absolutely right.
What about the gooey black creature(Amos?) In the episode SKIN OF EVIL?! Being shed and left behind by an unknown race ages ago should have qualified it for your list !
"Voyager 6, the real life deep space probe" Que?
Maybe the Voyager probe series is a lot like the Navy SEAL Teams? 😜
The Friendly Angel from “And The Children Shall Lead” must have been ancient.
Also the alien that captured The Enterprise with Klingons aboard making them battle.
Was he the one who chanted, "As you believe, so shall you do."?
we don't talk about that guy. He was just a lawyer.
He was the palimony lawyer who sued a man who dumped his long time girlfriend. His name escapes me right now but he was just a lawyer so who cares about him!!🙄
Interesting list. The only adjustment to it imo would be switching the places of the first and second candidates at the top of the list. Reason being that while both are practically equal the Q as stated are in a bored state where as the Prophets are not yet from what was showcases of both of them in the entire franchise.
Agreed. You could say that because the Prophets don't experience time, they have no age. And the Q have experienced all of time, so they are all ages.
Lady Q from Voyager's the Q and the grey establishes the Q as being about 5 billion years old.
@@chbu7081 That amount of age definitely explains the Q's boredom in general. Any long lived species would succumb to this boredom. Of course the amount of boredom is directly proportional to the length of time the species lives. Longer length of time equals more boredom.
@@Albert_Wesker_1969 As Zephram Cochrane once said "Immortality consists largely of boredom".
I'll mention a few episodes from TOS that may be worthwhile:
The Squire of Gothos (I don't know if their race was mentioned)
The Devil in the Dark (Horta)
Metamorphosis (The Companion)
Day of the Dove (energy being that feeds on hate)
Wink of an Eye (aliens exist in accelerated time). I mention this episode only because they could live many hundreds of years, if not thousands, when compared to us.
There are a few others, but I think they've already been mentioned.
The Metrons and Organians
Left out a lot of older beings. Might want to recheck that list.
Honorable mention to the Cytherians from TNG - Nth Degree
What about that “evil” muck monster that killed Lt. Yar?
that was likely the outcast mentioned by the Founders
Armus.
@@stairwayunicorn4861 interesting! Wow I never put that together.
@@TheShattenjager I only realized when Odo got actually pissed off, he got darker. The founders mentioned purging their great link of "a darkness"
@@stairwayunicorn4861 The Founders are from a different part of the Galaxy and aren't without their own evil tendencies. So I don't think it's all that likely.
You've forgotten 2 extremely old beings! Bele and Lokai. Both are well over 50,000 earth years.
Since there were references to the animated series, we should also include Quetzalcoatl.
And as for the 'God,' it was Q and 0 that brought him into our universe in the Q Continuum trilogy - along with (*) and Gorgon. Assuming that's all canon, then there's no way to know exactly how old these 5 entities are, but there are pretty darned old.
They are not cannon. Good book series, though.
You missed Trelane from "The Squire of Gothos" and the entity that called himself Flint/Da Vinci/Mozart in "Requiem for Methuselah", both on the original Star Trek.
The Q have to be the oldest since they have been around since the beginning of the universe. If the prophets originated on Bajor then they wouldn't be as old as inhabitable planets are found mostly within systems similar to our own, making them at most a few billion years old.
I agree. Several novels even hint that the Q created the Guardian of Forever, and are responsible for imprisoning God, within the barrier at the center of the galaxy. 🤔
@@commanderbracey7501 you did miss Q creating the nexus. He also went back to the creation of the prime universe then went thru it at least once.
@@josephzeh8600 Q also played a part in the destruction of the T'Kon empire mentioned in season 1 of TNG.
@@commanderbracey7501 the only problem with the novels is that they aren't canonical.
@@dunhillmint77 that is a debate, and depend on view and subject.
Good to see that Trek Culture still doesn't know what research is.
Although beta canon, "God" was a prominent character (part of a group including a very young Q) in the Q-Zone/Q-Strike/Q-Space book trilogy, where after causing the downfall of the Tkon Empire, he was imprisoned on Sha Ka Ree by the Q (the female Q and Quinn from the Voyager episode). He was pulled through from another dimension (one million years ago) by the Guardian of Forever by the young Q, along wth the Beta XII-A entiity from the Original Series episode Day of the Dove), Gorgan (from the Original Series episode And The Children Shall Leave), and Nil (who tortured the Calamarain, as seen in TNG Deja Q).
This also gives some idea as to who old the Q are. Q himself is at least one million years old.
Honestly, I feel Kevin Uxbridge was by far the most "human" godlike being I've encountered. For what ever mistake he made, he acted no different than what any of us would feel at that exact moment, we would all feel the exact same once gripped by the sudden lose and grief, only difference is he had the power to actually carry out that desire, and in an exact moment as well, I can't really blame him for what he did, I couldn't act any better in his position.
"We have no law by which to judge your crime." If i remember the quote correctly
The being Nagilum wasn’t even familiar with the concept of a limited existence. He probably predates the beginning of the universe.
Nagilum - immortal. "Where Silence Has Lease" Season 2; Episode 2
Hate to say it, but there was no Voyager 6 in real life...
Thank you TrekCulture. Nice list.
It's a terrible list that leaves out way older beings in favor of more knowable ones.
So which real life space probe is Voyager VI?
Regarding V'ger and the machine world being the Borg home planet, this came from a novel William Shatner had written called "The Return". Later Gene Roddenberry himself jokingly speculated that the planet encountered by Voyager might have been the Borg homeworld. The games Star Trek Legacy and Star Trek online games both also suggest there is a connection between V'ger and the Borg.
you did miss the greek god Apollo from TOS
we're not sure if this is Apollo or something claiming to be Apollo
with the Borg creation I like the one where V'Ger created the Borg to help him with it's mission and then find his creator. There were black holes involved so I would guess that time travel and dimensional travel could have been involved too.
The Q didn't come into existence,
The Q have always existed. -Q
Yeah, we're gonna take his word for it are we?
@@MatthewXLY nope of course not, Q existed as a corporeal being perhaps they "cheated" by living through all of existence then at the end of time they time traveled back to whatever was an existable time for them and continued to upgrade their abilities (I find it hard to believe any species could upgrade that much after only a single existence, perhaps that's how all extremely long lived and extremely highly advanced species had to do to have survived and advanced so much)
the Q evolved into that energy being. it's like SSJ450
I quote from Captain Janeway on her description of Q: "Based on my research, you have been many things. A rude, interfering, inconsiderate, sadistic… Pest. And, oh yes, you introduced us to the Borg, thank you very much. But one thing you have never been is a liar." The Q has always been enigmatic including when they give some revelation of their origins and can be interpreted in many ways.
The "Borg Queen" is one of the worst characters in the franchise. Aside from the fact that she's a very poorly developed stock villain, her whole story line completely ruins the Borg mystique and their unusual quality of being a "collective mind" with no leadership or sense of individuality. That's what made them terrifying the first time we met them. After that, the show runners apparently said, "Ya know what? Let's ruin that. A borg can be an individual. 'Cause reasons. And we'll have Picard get assimilated, but instead of having his mind be just another cog in the collective mind, let's give him a name. Then let's have a Borg who turns into a real boy (7 of 9)."
The fact that any Borg had its own designation or name already ruined the original premise of the Borg and took away the main thing they had going for them as antagonists: they were scary because we couldn't imagine being like them. You want to hate the Borg, because they destroy and assimilate everything, but there's a hollow sort of sadness in it, because there's no one to blame -- they're basically just an ever-expanding fungus slowly consuming the universe. Instead of finding an explanation that kept all of that intact, the writers decided to just make the Borg more like humans, so that humans could find a way to exploit their weaknesses, and the Borg became uninteresting overnight. The storyline with the Borg Queen was the nail in the coffin. She was basically a confession by the writers: "We give up. We can't think of any way to keep this good idea moving, so we just abandoned the whole thing. Here's a vampire queen Borg leader, because that kind of thing is popular in movies this year."
Honorable mentions: (1.) The Organian Council of Elders
(2.) The Metrons
(3.) Immortal Mr. Flint AKA Micah Brack AKA Methuselah
(4.) The Onlies children
Huh....no mention of the huge alien ship in The Voyage Home ?
@@power2084 I remember the "Wanderer" whalesong probe. 🐳 She wasn't canon! 😭
*humpback cries*
@@ai6894 why isn't it canon ?
@@power2084 Pocket Books (publisher) & Margaret Bonano (author) at the time weren't authorized to declare certain novels and reference books canon to the Paramount Pictures/CBS "official" material.
For example, Hiram Roth and K'amarag are still only called Federation President & Klingon Ambassador.
@@ai6894 Hummm....I'm talking about the huge alien probe in the movie Star Trek 4, The Voyage Home. Are you telling me that the stuff in that movie isn't canon ?
The Founders age may vary from changeling to changeling, but collectively the Great Link must me tens of thousands of years old.
The founders appeared on the next gen episode where they were flying around getting dna samples from planets to get a message. It might not be them but the life form was identical.
@@burstcity3832 There are fan theories that back that up, but nothing cannon.
@@breacat Oh, cool! Thanks, I noticed it as soon as I saw the founders, it even looked like the same woman to me.
@@burstcity3832 Both characters were played by Salome Jens so it's quite possible.
Could you have also counted Surak's Katra
Since beta canon was mentioned (the destiny books) I feel obliged to mention that 'God' in beta canon was brought in from another reality by the Guardian of Forever because Q was bored and asked for 'something new'. God became too much to handle and the continuum locked him in the barrier, hence the reason ships could pass, but such a powerful being couldn't.
So he could possibly be even older than our reality.
"4: The Sphere from Discovery"
Me: Nah! That's not Star Trek!
I have some thoughts on the order of this list, also I am fairly certain there are way older entities than the bottom 5 trekking around. Adonais/Apollo, Trelayn (may be a Q), Plato's Stepchildren, Methuselah/Flint, The Thasians, Balok, The Caretaker.....
"Gabriel Burnham"
Can we get someone who actually watches Star Trek to do these
might be a freudian slip, michael, gabriel, red angel. Also just to be a dick... Disco, Star Trek, some would say it isn't.
The more I think about this video the less knowledgeable it seems. If you count V'ger shouldn't you count the doomsday machine that was projected to come from outside the galaxy? There are the aliens that trained Gary Seven from human ancestors. The Preservers planted Native American on another planet and likely had to be older than the human race. Non-corporeal aliens raised Charlie-X. What about the alien race from the Cage?
Or how about how he said Sarah Sisko, when it's Jennifer Sisko.
@@Real_Deal_Rob_Solo Sarah is Sisko's mother, Jennifer is his wife.
trekculture suck at what they do but this part isn't a mistake.
Not to be confused with Jean-Luc Riker.
Great list!
Sorry bud, but there was no real-life Voyager 6. There were only two Voyager probes in real life. I kinda wish that V’Ger was Voyager 1 or 2 in TMP, it would’ve been slightly cooler from a storytelling standpoint IMO.
Considering that the Voyager probs launched in 1977 and the movie came out in 1979and how long it takes to make a movie, the writers might have thought that there were gonna be more probes with similar missions. Can't fault them for that.
there was no eugenics war in the 20th century either. Safe to assume the entire Trek universe is a parallel reality.
Great video!
There’s also Nagilum
Absolutely right. Immortals that have an interest about the concept of a "limited existence". Sounds like a number 1 on the list to me.
Not as old as the Q, since the Q have done everything and understand death. Nagilum didn't understand death and was confused about gender. While powerful, he was limited with his knowledge.
@@FriskyMeerkat Memory Alpha (and the context of the episode) list Nagilum as being extra-dimensional, so it wouldn’t necessarily be familiar with what’s what in our dimension. The Q, on the other hand, are non-corporeal, but there’s no indication that they’re extra-dimensional, so I’m not sure there’s a perfect apples to apples comparison to be made between them
What about Apollo in Who mourns for Adonais?
Requiem for Methuselah
That was fun. I love Gomtuu 👍🏻
The Iconians.
I would also suggest the Preservers, but that would be stretching it a little.
Also, the female changeling seems to be quite old and has seen a lot of mischief in her time, some of which she is responsible for.
Of course, all of this is STO canon, so I'm probably not gonna see it on this channel any time soon.
I thought this too. I liked that episode
I hope they do make a part 2 to this video.
How about Apollo?
I have always had a fan theory that the "Sha Ka Ree" entity was an imprisoned outcast member of the Q continuum. Kinda like in that one episode of Voyager.
the Q don't take forms like that, plus how do you trap a Q like that? they can literally leave anytime they like
wow! you missed a few... How about Adonis, the metrons, the caretaker, etc...
Yes, the Organian, Greek gods,, Ancient humanoid (TNG)... in the Original serie Kirk encouters so many god like 'species, renegade Q ?)
@@bernardsegonnes1335 guinan, it was just a thought about why they don't like the "Q"
Cool video, but which character has the most screen time?
Worf
I might be in the vast minority, but I actually liked Star Trek V: The Final Frontier.
The story was absurd, in my opinion. But the best part for me was the characters. It really showed the great friendship and comraderie among the crew--specifically the campfire and vacation scenes with Kirk, Spock, and McCoy.
I thought it was awesome. Sybok was great 👍
@@kainguru1 It wasn't absurd at all or at least no more absurd than any other star Trek movie or episode. Some people didn't like it just because it exposed their religion as being fake.
At first I had to make you a compliment. I am not a native english speaker, but you make your content, even for a human being like me, in a way understandable. Some of you are from scotland or wales, but I understand everything...thanks for that. I am able to improve my speaking abilities. Please go on with these.
What you didn't mentioned in this video were the founders, the preservers (even if they appeared in STO for longer than only once)