I have to tell this story. My mother, who is no longer with us, loved James Kirk. She loved him so much that she bought me some star trek posters just so she could swipe the James T Kirk poster. When Star Trek Generations came out, I took her to see the movie. After the movie ended we left the theater. My mom was very quiet as we walked to my car. Unable to stand it any longer I asked her what she thought of the movie. In a very grumbly tone she declared "They killed the wrong Captain."
Aw. Nobody will ever understand how hard it was for us original Trekkies. Back then, TOS was the first and only show of its kind. (Television hadn't even been invented/available for many years, and color was just becoming available. And we only had THREE networks to choose from.) With an alien who didn't want to kill us, conquer us, eat us. With so many Human problems (hunger, poverty) solved, now ready to explore an amazing universe. We fell in love with those original characters. They WERE ST to us.
@Drew Taylor I hafta say. That's the most clever thing I've ever seen about this movie. That literally makes me hate it a tiny bit less. (And why the heck had I never thought of that before? I mean, it's been almost 30 years! )
My aunt was such a huge fan of star trek, she found a really weird dude in college who was pretty much without emotions.. She married him in the early 80s SPECIFICALLY because "he reminded her of Spock"... They're still married to this day. 😂
That’s rich. All I can say is that I watched them both as a Gen X and they are the right crew for ship of that time. All of them after all it’s a reflection of society, so they say.
Won't Lie, Seeing Bashir And O'Brien Flawlessly Put Into Kirk's Arse-grilling Lineup Following The Bar Fight Scene, That Was Even Better Than The "I Gotta Pee" Scene In Forrest Gump.
I always liked how Trials and Tribblations treated the tech/aesthetic differences between TOS and DS9. They didn’t redress sets or update things to be more contemporary, they just went with “this is how this era was” and wrote a fun story around it.
I also loved how they acknowledged how different the way the Klingons looked in TOS. Yes, they did not have an answer yet, but I love Worf's uncomfortable look when the waitress is pointing out the Klingons around the bar and knowing that the question was coming.
well yeah they weren't allowed to. they were under strict orders by the people who owned the star trek archives not to change anything. however they were allowed to remaster the series. source: voyager DVD bonus features from 2009
Ok, what some people tend to misunderstand is that Picard didnt send Yar in the alternate timeline to the Enterprise C, he approved Yar's decision for transfer, It was Tasha's choice and Picard approved, big ddifference between being ordered and accepting a request
I agree, she WANTED to go because of that wonderful scene between her Guinan. Where Guinan tells her that her death was a senseless one (and it was, most believe done out of spite cause Denise wanting to leave). It was an on screen portrayal of how the fans felt about her death, as much the writers apologizing for being so insensitive.
As for the Borg in Enterprise: it opens up a new wrinkle into Q's character: he didn't just randomly introduce Starfleet to the Borg, gaining their interest to have them come to the Alpha quadrant. It means that they were already on the way, the Federation wasn't prepared, and Q knew it. This means that Q was actually acting as a hero to prepare us for the coming threat.
You just realized that? He said as much during the episode. "Oh. Well, you may not trust me, but you do need me. You're not prepared for what awaits you. Capt. Picard : How can we be prepared for that which we do not know? But I do know that we are ready to encounter it. You judge yourselves against the pitiful adversaries you've encountered so far - the Romulans, the Klingons. They're nothing compared to what's waiting. Picard - you are about to move into areas of the galaxy containing wonders more incredible than you can possibly imagine - and terrors to freeze your soul." Q had somehow already taken a liking to Picard (maybe some sort of time bending thing as they don't live through time the way we do supposedly) but he was there to help. It was weird how he was helping though! LOL
Personally, I think "In The Pale Moonlight" deserves a mention. You really needed to have watched Sisko's moral struggles throughout the Dominion War, see his desperation to find a way to win, with the payoff going completely against expectations and him saying that he can live with his (dark) choices.
No. 1: Trials and Tribble-lations. Absolute fan service episode. When my daughter was 7 years old, she was watching DS9 episodically with me, and one Saturday afternoon we got to this episode. At the point where Sisko and Dax are scanning the tribbles for the bomb and it pans out for the commercial break, my daughter in the most serious tone possible yelled at Dax "It's the big fuzzy one in the middle!"
This, here, warms my heart. Hearing about a youngster growing up on (the good) Trek the same way I did. A love passed down from my father to me, much like from yourself to your daughter. It's beautiful. It's so nice to see that Trek truly is timeless
I’m not surprised that this was number 1 on this list. I loved it! There’s just some episodes you immediately recognize just by the title. You don’t even need the clips or a description. I love how they were able to make it look like the DS9 characters were in the TOS episode. Again, loved it!
The rage and hate in Picard’s voice during his monologue at Lily was the most memorable part for me. He was not in control for the first time and it was truly a humanizing moment.
Picard was a combination of alot of good ideas with next to no direction and a dreadful plot. For example, a possible origin story for the borg: Good idea! The romulan star explosion event and the evacuation story and how it changed the alpha quadrant (and spawned the abrahmsverse) Good idea! Picking up the loose thread of data's death and possible survival in B4 and how his greatest fear of an enslaved android race being created in the federation came to fruition, Good idea! Brining back jeri ryan as the nexus point and subsequent second lead character in the story, Excellent idea! Giving stewart total creative control and then attempting to cobble all of these ideas together in one season with no expectations of there being a season 2 let alone three and thus having no room for flow or natural story progression as in past ST series? A dreadful horrible decision.
I remember seeing first contact and hearing Picard say "and I will make them pay for what they have done" and getting chills at finally seeing a glimmer Picards darkside. especially the emphasis on "I"
@@Rockhound6165 true. I wonder if (in cannon) he was at the repressing things phase or if because there was only one borg drone he was able to suppress his (for want a better way to phrase it" bloodthirst.
Well it is possible to make a decision to be the better man and when that decision bites you in the ass, as it clearly did here, your regret turns vengeful.
For me "The Motion Picture" is more related to 2001 than Star Wars. And I think it's actually a good thing because if it had been more action then Star Trek wouldn't have been different from Star Wars.
Lousy movie, lousy script, not really feel like Trek. Beautiful imagery and effects, but that is all. Nailed it in 2. That was Trek, in spades. Long live Khan. 🖖
Naw, Pathfinder isn't like a lost TNG episode - I mean, Troi has a clear role throughout the episode and directly applies her skills with direction and purpose. That *never* happened with a TNG script. ;)
Star Trek has had its ups and downs throughout its history. I feel that overall this has been a great franchise, and that the good parts outweigh the the bad parts. I've been a Star Trek fan since the 70s when the original series was syndicated. I will definitely keep going.
Lower Decks was a big surprise for me. After the trailer i thought it would be shit, watched episode 1 and was more or less convinced my thoughts after the trailer were right. Episode 2 was great and it got better and better. Love the show.
I felt the same way you did. This would not be a good show. I watched the first episode, I didn't like it, and I haven't seen any more. After seeing what you wrote here I might give it another chance. I hope it gets better as you say it does.
Same, my only issue is to much focus on Mariner, less attention paid to the other cast & the "O'Brien must suffer" snitchk that happens to Bolimer all the time, give the dude a break and send Beckett Mariner to counseling
I really like that voyager episode that showed tuvok's life, and showed him working for captain Sulu. I didn't even watched the original series but I was like "THATS SULU! HE BECAME A CAPTAIN? OH MY GOD TUVOK IS SO OLD"
Okay, I was around 30 when Next Gen started, and I can guarantee you that there were no Star Trek fans that had never seen the original series. NONE. TOS had been playing in reruns for nearly two decades by then. If you were too young to have seen it in its first run, you had spent afternoons after school watching it. If you were into ST at all, you knew TOS. There simply wasn't any way to avoid it if you were a science fiction fan.
Actually im a big Trek fan and i cant do the TOS the look is so dated its due to the film style coloring etc . so while the reboot movies helped it still is just rough in look to me for some reason .
@@rhocat362 The comment says that there were NO ST fans at that time who hadn't seen TOS. I was a fan then, and I hadn't seen it, and I am sure I am not the only one, so the statement is wrong. Period. It doesn't matter how old I was.
Re-watching (umpteenth time) TNG. Am on season 5 and the best thing I can say about season 3 is that Dr Crusher is back and that "other Dr" was short lived.
This movie had two good moments there at the end. The first one is when Spock tells Admiral Cartwright to “arrest yourself” and shows up with Valeris in tow; Cartwright knows the gig is up. The second is when the Klingon woman (I forgot the name) tells Kirk, “You’ve restored my faith in humanity”, and Kirk tells her, “and you’ve restored my son’s.”
"Regeneration" was anxiety-inducing! It wasn't till the second borg was reviled that I noticed what they dug up and very quickly realized how they got there. From that time I was waiting for the jump scare!
I can definitely agree with that, though I think I do agree with Sean that they were a little overused in Voyager. It was a bit disappointing for me when the series finale featured the Borg when the season 6/7 crossover had just done the same thing. Personally, I would love to have seen a return to "Caretaker", in the same way that TNG made a return to "Encounter at Farpoint".
Other than all the in-jokes on Trials and Tribble-ations (Lucsly and Dulmur from Temporal Investigations !) , one thing that magnificently made it work was finding Charlie Brill to play the older Arne Darvin (spotted at a lunch counter while they were talking about the script - - can't get much more Hollywood than that!)
I can remember seeing the design for the Enterprise D and hating it. I think I missed the first 5 episodes before I actually sat down and watched it! I love it now!
" Picard" is just a bored man in outer space. " Hey , Riker, ........remember me?, Jean -Luc, why your old captain !!". " Oh no,.....hes back!!, .......lock the door Deana, that old guy is back !!."
I was born in 1998 and weirdly enough for my age grew up with TOS because my dad showed it to me. And I learned to appreciate TNG. But my heart belongs to TOS.
Not unfortunate, just discerning! I felt like Picard series weakens a great character and I hate Discovery with a passion right from the name Michael. Aren't there millions of girl names? Why couldn't they give her one?
I have to disagree with some of what you say here. Generations was nice, and I agree that the cabin scene is kind of the highlight... but there's just too many plot holes for me to like the film. I loathe Discovery with the burning fire of a thousand suns... so I'm disinclined to be generous when they start screwing with even MORE of the original series' best stories and characters. I didn't see the representation of the Guardian of Forever like that as a good thing, it's just another middle finger to the original series, as far as I'm concerned. Between the corruption of the look of that era, and the HORRENDOUS depiction of classic characters (eg. turning lovable rogue Harry Mudd into a homicidal, sadistic lunatic), and completely abandoning the message of Gene's vision of the future... Nope, this is horrible. I agree, Pathfinder was nice. I really didn't like the Borg in Enterprise. I also didn't like the Ferengi being there. They had to bend over backwards trying to rationalize both of them, and I really didn't care for it. Canon aside... it WAS a great episode, if a little to technomagickal (ie. technology is MAGIC). I agree, Wrath of Khan was brilliant. I loathe the Picard series, almost as much as Discovery. I didn't expect a TNG season 8, but I did expect it would stay true to the established material from that series, including the characterizations, the looks and the technology...and especially to Gene's vision. We got none of that. First Contact was good fun, but it has a lot of holes and broken plots (are they going back in time to assimilate the Earth? To prevent First Contact? To prevent humanity from discovering warp? All these are declared to be the Borg's goal, at one time or another. Also, if the Borg could go back in time at will... why do it someplace where they might be followed and interfered with? Why not do it off in the middle of nowhere THEN travel to Earth? Yesterday's Enterprise was great, but I didn't like Sela. It felt forced to me. Lower Decks is idiotic. The humour is childish. Little references and fanservice is nice and all, but doesn't redeem a stupid show that just kind of craps on the whole franchise. Trials and Tribbleations was fun, but a bit silly. At least they kept the original series material as it WAS, instead of bastardizing everything the way JJTrek and everything thereafter has done.
Nepenthe won me over by having Troi and Riker together. But it was made all the more extraordinary when the name Kestra was first spoken on-screen. I was done. Wonderful.
Lower Decks is an absolute blast to watch. Yes, Star Trek has had their silly episodes every now and again (Take Me Out to the Holosuite and such) but I haven't had so much fun watching Star Trek before. It's such a refreshing series that knows it's absurd and just runs with it.
AHAHA. No. Harlan would not have liked what they did with the Guardian. It has NOTHING to do with what he wrote. In fact, I'd be surprised if he didn't try somehow to sue them over it, Harlan being Harlan.
Loved WoK, but there's always been one thing that bothers me about the final battle. Spock points out that Khan's only thinking in 2 dimensions, so Kirk "sinks" down a couple hundred kilometers or so and lets Khan pass "over top" of them. Now, the logical thing to do at this point would be to just rotate the Enterprise 90 degrees on its "Y" axis and fire away at the underside of Khan's ship as it passes over, right! What does Kirk do instead??? He RISES BACK UP BEHIND KHAN'S SHIP AND THEN FIRES THE CRIPPLING SHOTS!!! Why??? There's absolutely no reason for this! Well, other than it makes for a great scene in the movie, of course. . . Bottom line is, for captains of starships NOT to automatically think in all 3 dimensions in the first place is pretty stupid, but then Kirk piles onto that heap of crap by choosing to get back on the same 2 dimensional plane with Khan before finishing him off! Just silly!!!!
TNG was different, but I liked it. DS9 had to grow on me. Voyager was generally good, but not as good as the others. Enterprise had potential that was never realized. I could keep an open mind and enjoy all of them. Discovery is not Star Trek. The writers are ignorant to everything the series is supposed to be. I don’t even want to watch Strange New Worlds and the first season of Picard was such garbage I couldn’t stomach it. Lower Decks is a mockery. Acting like these bad versions of Star Trek will be accepted by the fans one day is foolish. The Star Trek Franchise is completely dead now.
Sean your background music is beyond irritating in this, its like some 80's lounge lizard show. I was interested in your subject, but ugh, couldn't finish this.
I watched TOS in syndication and all the TOS cast films. When TNG came out, I was one of the fans that didn't really care for it. But...I have since re-watched TNG from start to finish and realized, I actually watched far more of TNG than I had remembered watching, and enjoyed them. I dislike the Abrams films. That is all. I have enjoyed Picard, Discovery, Strange New Worlds, and adore Lower Decks; there's no way you can be a Star Wars fan and not like Lower Decks. The one good thing about Enterprise was it was the end of Berman's involvement. I believe that TNGs success game despite Berman; Enterprises failure is squarely on him. Plus he is a misogynistic, homophobic, a-hole, who imagines grudges where none should exist.
Star Trek never lets you down, it just has planned low points so it can come back and smack you in the face with greatness. Kinda like when your football team has a rebuilding year. At least that's how I choose to remember it...😁
I liked the way Yar died in "Skin of Evil." She went out like a red shirt, and her death wasn't the resolution to the episode. Also, I could have sworn Sela shows up at the end of "The Mind's Eye." And "Lower Decks" (the TNG episode) was a reward because of its tie-in to "The First Order." We also had Star Trek novels between the cancellation of the original series (which was in syndication) and the first movie.
I never saw Yar's original death as "meaningless." She died trying to save the life of her friend--Troi. Sure she didn't save the day, but that doesn't delete the fact she was there trying. The one who gets a "meaningless" death is Garrett, who gets robbed of her great contribution to the Federation. We have so few women captains, I always regreted Garrett being yet another in a long line of folks dying with something stuck in their foreheads (which was a trend for a while there in TNG) instead of the great unifier for the Federation/Klingons.
The thing about Picard is he was already pretty damaged by the time of the borg. He did have an artificial heart from getting stabbed through the chest. Then all of the loss he suffered during his tenure as a captain.
Disliking TNG because it's not like TOS, I feel is different to dislike for Discovery. TNG is a further expansion, as Discovery has ended up rewriting something that has already been established, when it didn't need to. If Discovery had been post Voyager, it would've been easier to accept.
8:07 I saw both these movies opening weekend in the theaters when they came out and they were both huge successes to us of the time period. I saw the original Star Wars in the theater as it was named when it first came out and it was great. I didn't have as much of a connection as Trek gave me. I wanted to be Spock more than I wanted to be Luke or Han.
In "The Trouble with Tribbles", and subsequently the Star Trek 25 Year Anniversary tribute episode of DS9, Trials and Tribulations" there was no mention of Sulu. If anyone ever wonders why, it is because he (or rather George Takei) was on Earth in the mid 1960s assisting the US Army Special Forces as a Captain in the South Vietnam Army Special Forces by appearing in a little John Wayne movie titled "The Green Berets". I'm pretty sure everyone here already knew that. Pretty sure. But just in case there are those who didn't, I wanted them to know where he was and what he was doing. It was kind of ironic because both characters held the same level of rank symbolically within the hierarchy of Naval VS Army officer ranks, and he made "Captain" far sooner than anyone else from the TOS crew.... yeah, I know, not the same thing. I wonder if that influenced his decades long crusade for a Captain Sulu shoshow... Kekekek
If you think "Star Trek" Discovery is an actual Star Trek show, you aren't really a Star Trek fan. The newest "Star Trek" shows beginning with JJ Abrams 1st Trek movie, are trash. They are no more Star Trek than A.L.F. was.
In Pathfinder, I have mentioned this in other TH-cam videos, Robert Duncan McNeill should have improved and blurted out, "I love you, Dad, and I miss you very much."
Ever since Enterprise was cancelled, right as it was really getting good, I watch anything Star Trek. I don't judge. I just enjoy. So what if Prodigy is basically a failed Star Wars series rebranded... it's Something to watch with Kate Mulgrew? Yes please!
For me, it's The Voyage Home. The Enterprise is gone! The original bridge crew is intact, however. We get to see the improvisational skills of the Star Fleet officers in operating a commandeered Klingon Bird of Prey. AND they have to use it to time travel! Magnificent!:)
I want to say the thing with Seven... I think the Hansens went looking for the Borg after Q Who/ Best of Both Worlds. You think it doesn't line up, but don't forget that children in the Borg grow up faster to become mature drones, so Seven was likely younger than she looked. That's my headcanon anyways.
TNG is my Star Trek. I was born in 1981 and I became a full blown Trekkie when TNG aired. It’s the one I’ve watched the most and know the most about. I like the others but Picard will always be my Captain 😎
On October 19th, 1982, I was waiting to watch Star Trek on a syndicated tv station from New York State as I lived in Montreal. It was a late night showing, and before the show started there was an introduction to the episode, Space Seed, by William Shatner. He was taking about the new movie that was coming out The Wrath of Khan. It was very unexpected to see him telling us about the new movie, but if I remember right there was a lot of shit for doing it. It was long ago so forgive me if I got some details wrong, but I would love you guys to find the original intro by Shatner. Live long and prosper.
I sometimes wonder what Star Trek would be today if The Motion Picture were better. TMP was not bad, the problem was that they took a story that would have worked well as a small screen episode and squandered the budget and amazing visual effects to make it into a movie. Wrath of Khan was a great antidote to that, but if TMP had been done better, future Star Treks could have potentially had a much bigger budget. Would that have made it better? I don't know. But it's interesting to consider.
That's one thing Star Trek Enterprise excelled at. They made their time period work, and then in the mirror universe episode they made the old TOS era ship seem even better. Not to mention all the little nods where they explained things in the future like why there's 2 kinds of Klingons.
If this video was made today - Nepenthe might not even be mentioned because - Holy cow - Picard Season 3 - we the fans get the TNG reunion plus so much more.
In my opinion, today's "modern" Trek, is all bad. No moral to each episode. Nothing to learn but nihilism and overblown emotional outbursts. More than ever, we need to go back to the episodic formula that has us all hoping that we all end up in that future.
4:27 "hey fans we know we completely ruined all of trek established Canon and tone but hey we bought back a character are you happy? How about we do it again? No?"
I have to tell this story. My mother, who is no longer with us, loved James Kirk. She loved him so much that she bought me some star trek posters just so she could swipe the James T Kirk poster. When Star Trek Generations came out, I took her to see the movie. After the movie ended we left the theater. My mom was very quiet as we walked to my car. Unable to stand it any longer I asked her what she thought of the movie. In a very grumbly tone she declared "They killed the wrong Captain."
Aw. Nobody will ever understand how hard it was for us original Trekkies. Back then, TOS was the first and only show of its kind. (Television hadn't even been invented/available for many years, and color was just becoming available. And we only had THREE networks to choose from.) With an alien who didn't want to kill us, conquer us, eat us. With so many Human problems (hunger, poverty) solved, now ready to explore an amazing universe. We fell in love with those original characters. They WERE ST to us.
@Drew Taylor I hafta say. That's the most clever thing I've ever seen about this movie. That literally makes me hate it a tiny bit less. (And why the heck had I never thought of that before? I mean, it's been almost 30 years! )
My aunt was such a huge fan of star trek, she found a really weird dude in college who was pretty much without emotions.. She married him in the early 80s SPECIFICALLY because "he reminded her of Spock"... They're still married to this day. 😂
She wasn't wrong, And his burial under a pile of rocks....shameless writing.
That’s rich. All I can say is that I watched them both as a Gen X and they are the right crew for ship of that time. All of them after all it’s a reflection of society, so they say.
Won't Lie, Seeing Bashir And O'Brien Flawlessly Put Into Kirk's Arse-grilling Lineup Following The Bar Fight Scene,
That Was Even Better Than The "I Gotta Pee" Scene In Forrest Gump.
I always liked how Trials and Tribblations treated the tech/aesthetic differences between TOS and DS9. They didn’t redress sets or update things to be more contemporary, they just went with “this is how this era was” and wrote a fun story around it.
I also loved how they acknowledged how different the way the Klingons looked in TOS. Yes, they did not have an answer yet, but I love Worf's uncomfortable look when the waitress is pointing out the Klingons around the bar and knowing that the question was coming.
@@melabec I'm glad De and Jimmy both got to be in "TNG" episodes (and Jimmy in "Generations") before they died. Shatner wasn't so bad here either.
well yeah they weren't allowed to. they were under strict orders by the people who owned the star trek archives not to change anything. however they were allowed to remaster the series.
source: voyager DVD bonus features from 2009
@@melabec *"We do not discuss it with outsiders."*
That is all the explanation required.
EXACTLY!
Ok, what some people tend to misunderstand is that Picard didnt send Yar in the alternate timeline to the Enterprise C, he approved Yar's decision for transfer, It was Tasha's choice and Picard approved, big ddifference between being ordered and accepting a request
I agree, she WANTED to go because of that wonderful scene between her Guinan. Where Guinan tells her that her death was a senseless one (and it was, most believe done out of spite cause Denise wanting to leave). It was an on screen portrayal of how the fans felt about her death, as much the writers apologizing for being so insensitive.
Exactly it was her choice and her request completely.
Yeah after Yar talked to Guynan (probably not how you spell it lol) she decided that she was the out of place person so she decided to go.
Seeing Terry Farrel in an original series uniform made the whole Star Trek franchise worth it!
Very much so 🙂
"... and women wore less!" 😏
@@stefanmisch5272 ?.... Terry Farrel is a woman
@@nigelwest3430 It's a line Dax says when she's walking out in her TOS-era uniform.
@@MishraArtificer Ok, I bow to your superior knowledge 🙂
As for the Borg in Enterprise: it opens up a new wrinkle into Q's character: he didn't just randomly introduce Starfleet to the Borg, gaining their interest to have them come to the Alpha quadrant.
It means that they were already on the way, the Federation wasn't prepared, and Q knew it.
This means that Q was actually acting as a hero to prepare us for the coming threat.
I THINK this is actually addressed pretty much this way in the books. And Q’s reasoning was apparently exactly what you said.
He also killed some crew members in their first meeting. Not a great guy, really.
That was before they established Earth being on the Beta Quadrant, wasn't it.
@@GabePuratekuta earth was in the alpha quadrant sector 001
You just realized that? He said as much during the episode.
"Oh. Well, you may not trust me, but you do need me. You're not prepared for what awaits you.
Capt. Picard : How can we be prepared for that which we do not know? But I do know that we are ready to encounter it.
You judge yourselves against the pitiful adversaries you've encountered so far - the Romulans, the Klingons. They're nothing compared to what's waiting. Picard - you are about to move into areas of the galaxy containing wonders more incredible than you can possibly imagine - and terrors to freeze your soul."
Q had somehow already taken a liking to Picard (maybe some sort of time bending thing as they don't live through time the way we do supposedly) but he was there to help. It was weird how he was helping though! LOL
Personally, I think "In The Pale Moonlight" deserves a mention. You really needed to have watched Sisko's moral struggles throughout the Dominion War, see his desperation to find a way to win, with the payoff going completely against expectations and him saying that he can live with his (dark) choices.
No. 1: Trials and Tribble-lations. Absolute fan service episode. When my daughter was 7 years old, she was watching DS9 episodically with me, and one Saturday afternoon we got to this episode. At the point where Sisko and Dax are scanning the tribbles for the bomb and it pans out for the commercial break, my daughter in the most serious tone possible yelled at Dax "It's the big fuzzy one in the middle!"
This, here, warms my heart. Hearing about a youngster growing up on (the good) Trek the same way I did. A love passed down from my father to me, much like from yourself to your daughter. It's beautiful. It's so nice to see that Trek truly is timeless
@@batmanjones655 It's ALL 'good'!
@@DMSProduktions
Let's agree to disagree on this one, though 🖖🏻!
@@jean-mi1825 LOL! No.
I’m not surprised that this was number 1 on this list. I loved it! There’s just some episodes you immediately recognize just by the title. You don’t even need the clips or a description. I love how they were able to make it look like the DS9 characters were in the TOS episode. Again, loved it!
The rage and hate in Picard’s voice during his monologue at Lily was the most memorable part for me. He was not in control for the first time and it was truly a humanizing moment.
After all, someone had to draw the line
This far! No Further!
Yeah he smashed the display case and really losed his composure.
@@briandoyle3507 it was awesome. Very cathartic.
@@briandoyle3507 lost
Picard was a combination of alot of good ideas with next to no direction and a dreadful plot. For example, a possible origin story for the borg: Good idea! The romulan star explosion event and the evacuation story and how it changed the alpha quadrant (and spawned the abrahmsverse) Good idea! Picking up the loose thread of data's death and possible survival in B4 and how his greatest fear of an enslaved android race being created in the federation came to fruition, Good idea! Brining back jeri ryan as the nexus point and subsequent second lead character in the story, Excellent idea! Giving stewart total creative control and then attempting to cobble all of these ideas together in one season with no expectations of there being a season 2 let alone three and thus having no room for flow or natural story progression as in past ST series? A dreadful horrible decision.
I remember seeing first contact and hearing Picard say "and I will make them pay for what they have done" and getting chills at finally seeing a glimmer Picards darkside. especially the emphasis on "I"
The funny thing is in the episode "I, Borg" he had the opportunity to make them pay but he didn't.
@@Rockhound6165 true. I wonder if (in cannon) he was at the repressing things phase or if because there was only one borg drone he was able to suppress his (for want a better way to phrase it" bloodthirst.
Well it is possible to make a decision to be the better man and when that decision bites you in the ass, as it clearly did here, your regret turns vengeful.
For me "The Motion Picture" is more related to 2001 than Star Wars. And I think it's actually a good thing because if it had been more action then Star Trek wouldn't have been different from Star Wars.
Me too- I love that movie!
I just realised that a few moments ago too.
Agreed! One has to be patient to eventually appreciate it.
2001? HOW?
Lousy movie, lousy script, not really feel like Trek. Beautiful imagery and effects, but that is all. Nailed it in 2. That was Trek, in spades. Long live Khan. 🖖
First Contact has always been my favorite Trek movie. So much so that I walked down the aisle to the title theme.
I don't blame you: it's a fantastic tune.
Naw, Pathfinder isn't like a lost TNG episode - I mean, Troi has a clear role throughout the episode and directly applies her skills with direction and purpose. That *never* happened with a TNG script. ;)
"Frakes is everyone's dad".... Given how horny Riker was in TNG, it's likely he IS everyone's dad
they still havent found a cure for KHG / Kirk Herpes Galacticus ?
Discovery is not that you do not want to watch. But more as the fact you have to pay to watch!
Star Trek has had its ups and downs throughout its history. I feel that overall this has been a great franchise, and that the good parts outweigh the the bad parts. I've been a Star Trek fan since the 70s when the original series was syndicated. I will definitely keep going.
Lower Decks was a big surprise for me. After the trailer i thought it would be shit, watched episode 1 and was more or less convinced my thoughts after the trailer were right.
Episode 2 was great and it got better and better. Love the show.
I felt the same way you did. This would not be a good show. I watched the first episode, I didn't like it, and I haven't seen any more. After seeing what you wrote here I might give it another chance. I hope it gets better as you say it does.
Same, my only issue is to much focus on Mariner, less attention paid to the other cast & the "O'Brien must suffer" snitchk that happens to Bolimer all the time, give the dude a break and send Beckett Mariner to counseling
The first season tried too hard to be funny - it's calmed down in season 2 and I'm loving it!
@@JohnnyWednesday I'm the opposite way, I enjoyed 1st season but got highly annoyed with season 2
@@robertszekely8686 Cannon . the writting is top level . and it easily take its own spot in the trek series .
I really like that voyager episode that showed tuvok's life, and showed him working for captain Sulu. I didn't even watched the original series but I was like "THATS SULU! HE BECAME A CAPTAIN? OH MY GOD TUVOK IS SO OLD"
My mother has a bumper sticker THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS and when i read those 4 words i always hear Patrick Stewards voice.
Okay, I was around 30 when Next Gen started, and I can guarantee you that there were no Star Trek fans that had never seen the original series. NONE. TOS had been playing in reruns for nearly two decades by then. If you were too young to have seen it in its first run, you had spent afternoons after school watching it. If you were into ST at all, you knew TOS. There simply wasn't any way to avoid it if you were a science fiction fan.
Actually im a big Trek fan and i cant do the TOS the look is so dated its due to the film style coloring etc . so while the reboot movies helped it still is just rough in look to me for some reason .
While I did catch the occasional TOS episode in syndication, for the most part I grew up on the films
I grew up on TNG, and it wasn't until later on that I learned there was another series, so you are wrong.
@@DCeandreIf you grew up on Nex Gen, then you were too young to get it.
@@rhocat362 The comment says that there were NO ST fans at that time who hadn't seen TOS. I was a fan then, and I hadn't seen it, and I am sure I am not the only one, so the statement is wrong. Period. It doesn't matter how old I was.
Everyone doesn't just want a hug from Riker, everyone NEEDS a hug from Riker
thats nice oh seven ... lol
What I need is the Titan.
"And the lows"
Threshold: "Am I a joke to you?"
Yes Threshold. You are.
Damn it, just let me forget! >
Maybe it's low hanging fruit or something, but I was genuinely surprised Threshold wasn't mentioned when brining up Voyagers low points.
The intro to Star Trek: First Contact is still my favourite ever... The soundtrack is just genius.
I had to go dig it up here on TH-cam. It's still fantastic, over 25 years later.
...and I saw it in theaters before it left. Damn, I'm old...
I dug up a version of the score that I can play on the piano; not as beautiful as the fully-orchestrated version, but still lovely.
Just waiting for that shirt to come into play, and BOY, did you not disappoint!!!! 🤪
Sean, your t shirt just wins. It’s so good that I am praising something from Star Trek V. Also you did an incredible job on Trek for Ukraine
Re-watching (umpteenth time) TNG. Am on season 5 and the best thing I can say about season 3 is that Dr Crusher is back and that "other Dr" was short lived.
dr polaski
@@j-bob_oreo Yea. I know. Just trying to forget that she had a better send off on LA Law. :-)
i think the only they they missed was Q and his evolving character throughout Star Trek
I've always enjoyed Undiscovered Country as an excellent film that concludes the original series movies. It's my go-to movie. :-D
This movie had two good moments there at the end. The first one is when Spock tells Admiral Cartwright to “arrest yourself” and shows up with Valeris in tow; Cartwright knows the gig is up. The second is when the Klingon woman (I forgot the name) tells Kirk, “You’ve restored my faith in humanity”, and Kirk tells her, “and you’ve restored my son’s.”
@@williamsquires3070 couldn’t agree more!
I love Enterprise, Voyager and DS9 before the original and TNG. Discovery and Picard are still in the air....
"Regeneration" was anxiety-inducing! It wasn't till the second borg was reviled that I noticed what they dug up and very quickly realized how they got there.
From that time I was waiting for the jump scare!
I love all the references in Lower Decks, even the giant Spock skeleton referencing The Infinite Vulcan.
I disagree with the concept that 'the teeth were taken from the borg'. I think Voyager made it so the federation grown their own teeth instead.
I can definitely agree with that, though I think I do agree with Sean that they were a little overused in Voyager. It was a bit disappointing for me when the series finale featured the Borg when the season 6/7 crossover had just done the same thing. Personally, I would love to have seen a return to "Caretaker", in the same way that TNG made a return to "Encounter at Farpoint".
Why just the teeth an not the whole skull?
Other than all the in-jokes on Trials and Tribble-ations (Lucsly and Dulmur from Temporal Investigations !) , one thing that magnificently made it work was finding Charlie Brill to play the older Arne Darvin (spotted at a lunch counter while they were talking about the script - - can't get much more Hollywood than that!)
I can remember seeing the design for the Enterprise D and hating it. I think I missed the first 5 episodes before I actually sat down and watched it! I love it now!
" Picard" is just a bored man in outer space. " Hey , Riker, ........remember me?, Jean -Luc, why your old captain !!".
" Oh no,.....hes back!!, .......lock the door Deana, that old guy is back !!."
You love the "D" now, eh? SORRY, I couldn't resist that pun, I'll see myself out.
We all hated it at first...except for Data
Sisko didn't just meet Kirk in his prime, he actually shook hands with him, didn't he?
I was born in 1998 and weirdly enough for my age grew up with TOS because my dad showed it to me. And I learned to appreciate TNG. But my heart belongs to TOS.
It's the same for me. I was born in '99 and my first contact with star trek was TOS as well.
You are both newbs..I was born in 57,and watched TOS from age nine!
Anyone else having to turn the volume up so high to hear this that your system sounds are super loud? Just me?
unfortunately i fall into the camp that Hates Star Trek Picard and Discovery with a PASSION.
Not unfortunate, just discerning! I felt like Picard series weakens a great character and I hate Discovery with a passion right from the name Michael. Aren't there millions of girl names? Why couldn't they give her one?
In Trials and Tribulations my favorite part is when they asked Worf “why did Klingons look like that?” Worf: We don’t talk about that 😂😂
That's a good one but the scene that always makes me laugh is at the end when Quark has the Tribble on his head and the look on his face
I have to disagree with some of what you say here.
Generations was nice, and I agree that the cabin scene is kind of the highlight... but there's just too many plot holes for me to like the film.
I loathe Discovery with the burning fire of a thousand suns... so I'm disinclined to be generous when they start screwing with even MORE of the original series' best stories and characters. I didn't see the representation of the Guardian of Forever like that as a good thing, it's just another middle finger to the original series, as far as I'm concerned. Between the corruption of the look of that era, and the HORRENDOUS depiction of classic characters (eg. turning lovable rogue Harry Mudd into a homicidal, sadistic lunatic), and completely abandoning the message of Gene's vision of the future... Nope, this is horrible.
I agree, Pathfinder was nice.
I really didn't like the Borg in Enterprise. I also didn't like the Ferengi being there. They had to bend over backwards trying to rationalize both of them, and I really didn't care for it. Canon aside... it WAS a great episode, if a little to technomagickal (ie. technology is MAGIC).
I agree, Wrath of Khan was brilliant.
I loathe the Picard series, almost as much as Discovery. I didn't expect a TNG season 8, but I did expect it would stay true to the established material from that series, including the characterizations, the looks and the technology...and especially to Gene's vision. We got none of that.
First Contact was good fun, but it has a lot of holes and broken plots (are they going back in time to assimilate the Earth? To prevent First Contact? To prevent humanity from discovering warp? All these are declared to be the Borg's goal, at one time or another. Also, if the Borg could go back in time at will... why do it someplace where they might be followed and interfered with? Why not do it off in the middle of nowhere THEN travel to Earth?
Yesterday's Enterprise was great, but I didn't like Sela. It felt forced to me.
Lower Decks is idiotic. The humour is childish. Little references and fanservice is nice and all, but doesn't redeem a stupid show that just kind of craps on the whole franchise.
Trials and Tribbleations was fun, but a bit silly. At least they kept the original series material as it WAS, instead of bastardizing everything the way JJTrek and everything thereafter has done.
It is understatement to say “Thank You, but nonetheless’Thank You’
For this fine compilation. May you be free of any “Tribulations” !
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Just about anything involving the Borg seems more like a punishment to me. As does any series restricted to Paramount's entry into streaming services.
Can't really argue with these picks, BUT definitely think Prodigy's Kobayashi deserves an honourable mention
How about doing a list about the best season 1's in Star Trek, that would make for some interesting discussion.
Ds9. It still has its rough spots but as far as season ones go, it's the best
I'd go...
1. ToS
2. Lower Decks
3. Discovery
4. TAS
5. Picard
6. DS9
7. Voyager
8. TNG
Haven't started Prodigy yet.
DS9!!!!!😊
The fact that Picard was a background actor in his own show?
uh not that i saw .
My favorite line was, "call me Jim".
Nepenthe won me over by having Troi and Riker together. But it was made all the more extraordinary when the name Kestra was first spoken on-screen. I was done. Wonderful.
Lower Decks is an absolute blast to watch. Yes, Star Trek has had their silly episodes every now and again (Take Me Out to the Holosuite and such) but I haven't had so much fun watching Star Trek before. It's such a refreshing series that knows it's absurd and just runs with it.
The thing you can tell about Lower desk is that it is written by Star Trek fans.
AHAHA. No. Harlan would not have liked what they did with the Guardian. It has NOTHING to do with what he wrote. In fact, I'd be surprised if he didn't try somehow to sue them over it, Harlan being Harlan.
Love your pick for no.1
But remember we do not discuss it with outsiders
Trials and Tribulations was the best.
Can we get a video dedicated to Phase II ?
I loved the part where Picard follows Kirk into the bedroom/barn and Picard says, "This is not your bedroom."
I think the reason why Troi works so well in Picard is that they let her real personality let loose.
She always had the ability but they wrote badly for her for the most part. It's like back then they didn't have the ability to write for women.
When Star Trek is good, it’s great. When it’s not good, it’s probably Discovery.
I am not looking forward to seeing discovery. lol.
Go watch "Profit And Lace" and "A Night In Sickbay" again, then try to say that with a straight face.
OK, so when it's bad it's cringe inducing!
Loved WoK, but there's always been one thing that bothers me about the final battle. Spock points out that Khan's only thinking in 2 dimensions, so Kirk "sinks" down a couple hundred kilometers or so and lets Khan pass "over top" of them. Now, the logical thing to do at this point would be to just rotate the Enterprise 90 degrees on its "Y" axis and fire away at the underside of Khan's ship as it passes over, right! What does Kirk do instead??? He RISES BACK UP BEHIND KHAN'S SHIP AND THEN FIRES THE CRIPPLING SHOTS!!!
Why??? There's absolutely no reason for this! Well, other than it makes for a great scene in the movie, of course. . . Bottom line is, for captains of starships NOT to automatically think in all 3 dimensions in the first place is pretty stupid, but then Kirk piles onto that heap of crap by choosing to get back on the same 2 dimensional plane with Khan before finishing him off! Just silly!!!!
TNG was different, but I liked it. DS9 had to grow on me. Voyager was generally good, but not as good as the others. Enterprise had potential that was never realized. I could keep an open mind and enjoy all of them.
Discovery is not Star Trek. The writers are ignorant to everything the series is supposed to be. I don’t even want to watch Strange New Worlds and the first season of Picard was such garbage I couldn’t stomach it. Lower Decks is a mockery.
Acting like these bad versions of Star Trek will be accepted by the fans one day is foolish. The Star Trek Franchise is completely dead now.
Let's be clear! Everything by Kurtzman especially disco and picard, is NOT star trek. Period!
"My enbies..."
Thank you Sean.
Sean your background music is beyond irritating in this, its like some 80's lounge lizard show. I was interested in your subject, but ugh, couldn't finish this.
🥰My enbies 🥰 that’s me
I think this video in particular highlights your ability to balance fandom and scholarship. Keep it up.
I watched TOS in syndication and all the TOS cast films. When TNG came out, I was one of the fans that didn't really care for it. But...I have since re-watched TNG from start to finish and realized, I actually watched far more of TNG than I had remembered watching, and enjoyed them. I dislike the Abrams films. That is all. I have enjoyed Picard, Discovery, Strange New Worlds, and adore Lower Decks; there's no way you can be a Star Wars fan and not like Lower Decks. The one good thing about Enterprise was it was the end of Berman's involvement. I believe that TNGs success game despite Berman; Enterprises failure is squarely on him. Plus he is a misogynistic, homophobic, a-hole, who imagines grudges where none should exist.
Star Trek never lets you down, it just has planned low points so it can come back and smack you in the face with greatness. Kinda like when your football team has a rebuilding year. At least that's how I choose to remember it...😁
I liked the way Yar died in "Skin of Evil." She went out like a red shirt, and her death wasn't the resolution to the episode. Also, I could have sworn Sela shows up at the end of "The Mind's Eye." And "Lower Decks" (the TNG episode) was a reward because of its tie-in to "The First Order." We also had Star Trek novels between the cancellation of the original series (which was in syndication) and the first movie.
I never saw Yar's original death as "meaningless." She died trying to save the life of her friend--Troi. Sure she didn't save the day, but that doesn't delete the fact she was there trying. The one who gets a "meaningless" death is Garrett, who gets robbed of her great contribution to the Federation. We have so few women captains, I always regreted Garrett being yet another in a long line of folks dying with something stuck in their foreheads (which was a trend for a while there in TNG) instead of the great unifier for the Federation/Klingons.
Thankfully Picard season 3 is most definitely TNG season 8
Comment for the YT Continuum. Love what you all do! Thank you!
10:18 but you got to admit, the last season of Picard was like a TNG reunion
The thing about Picard is he was already pretty damaged by the time of the borg. He did have an artificial heart from getting stabbed through the chest. Then all of the loss he suffered during his tenure as a captain.
I'm here for Sean🥰...the Star Trek content is bonus!😉😁🍻🖖
Disliking TNG because it's not like TOS, I feel is different to dislike for Discovery. TNG is a further expansion, as Discovery has ended up rewriting something that has already been established, when it didn't need to. If Discovery had been post Voyager, it would've been easier to accept.
but still will fail. the crew behind it are that bad
Hi Sir Sean.. How about a episode about the best/famous/impressive Star Trek Cities? Just an idea... LOL
Deforest Kelley: Dammit Jim, I’m a doctor not a critic.
The elevator-music bed in this video-... really?
1:25
George Takei...not same same same?
Didn't play Sulu for a NextGen-era cast until Voyager?
you miss "the orville" :D
Season 3 of Picard is the best love letter to fans of TNG.
Hey, you mentioned NBs! Thanks! It's nice to see someone remember we exist!
8:07 I saw both these movies opening weekend in the theaters when they came out and they were both huge successes to us of the time period. I saw the original Star Wars in the theater as it was named when it first came out and it was great. I didn't have as much of a connection as Trek gave me. I wanted to be Spock more than I wanted to be Luke or Han.
Nepenthe's (and in Voy) is the counselor that should had been in all TNG! It was the only time I really really liked Troi.
Honestly, I think Troi was better on Voyager and Nepenthe than on TNG too, especially before Jellico made her start wearing a uniform again.
In "The Trouble with Tribbles", and subsequently the Star Trek 25 Year Anniversary tribute episode of DS9, Trials and Tribulations" there was no mention of Sulu. If anyone ever wonders why, it is because he (or rather George Takei) was on Earth in the mid 1960s assisting the US Army Special Forces as a Captain in the South Vietnam Army Special Forces by appearing in a little John Wayne movie titled "The Green Berets".
I'm pretty sure everyone here already knew that. Pretty sure. But just in case there are those who didn't, I wanted them to know where he was and what he was doing. It was kind of ironic because both characters held the same level of rank symbolically within the hierarchy of Naval VS Army officer ranks, and he made "Captain" far sooner than anyone else from the TOS crew.... yeah, I know, not the same thing. I wonder if that influenced his decades long crusade for a Captain Sulu shoshow...
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If you think "Star Trek" Discovery is an actual Star Trek show, you aren't really a Star Trek fan. The newest "Star Trek" shows beginning with JJ Abrams 1st Trek movie, are trash. They are no more Star Trek than A.L.F. was.
Putting playback speed at 1.25 made this video more tolerable
In Pathfinder, I have mentioned this in other TH-cam videos, Robert Duncan McNeill should have improved and blurted out, "I love you, Dad, and I miss you very much."
Ever since Enterprise was cancelled, right as it was really getting good, I watch anything Star Trek. I don't judge. I just enjoy. So what if Prodigy is basically a failed Star Wars series rebranded... it's Something to watch with Kate Mulgrew? Yes please!
For me, it's The Voyage Home. The Enterprise is gone! The original bridge crew is intact, however. We get to see the improvisational skills of the Star Fleet officers in operating a commandeered Klingon Bird of Prey. AND they have to use it to time travel! Magnificent!:)
I want to say the thing with Seven... I think the Hansens went looking for the Borg after Q Who/ Best of Both Worlds. You think it doesn't line up, but don't forget that children in the Borg grow up faster to become mature drones, so Seven was likely younger than she looked. That's my headcanon anyways.
TNG is my Star Trek. I was born in 1981 and I became a full blown Trekkie when TNG aired. It’s the one I’ve watched the most and know the most about. I like the others but Picard will always be my Captain 😎
On October 19th, 1982, I was waiting to watch Star Trek on a syndicated tv station from New York State as I lived in Montreal. It was a late night showing, and before the show started there was an introduction to the episode, Space Seed, by William Shatner. He was taking about the new movie that was coming out The Wrath of Khan. It was very unexpected to see him telling us about the new movie, but if I remember right there was a lot of shit for doing it.
It was long ago so forgive me if I got some details wrong, but I would love you guys to find the original intro by Shatner. Live long and prosper.
I sometimes wonder what Star Trek would be today if The Motion Picture were better.
TMP was not bad, the problem was that they took a story that would have worked well as a small screen episode and squandered the budget and amazing visual effects to make it into a movie. Wrath of Khan was a great antidote to that, but if TMP had been done better, future Star Treks could have potentially had a much bigger budget.
Would that have made it better? I don't know. But it's interesting to consider.
That's one thing Star Trek Enterprise excelled at. They made their time period work, and then in the mirror universe episode they made the old TOS era ship seem even better. Not to mention all the little nods where they explained things in the future like why there's 2 kinds of Klingons.
If this video was made today - Nepenthe might not even be mentioned because - Holy cow - Picard Season 3 - we the fans get the TNG reunion plus so much more.
In my opinion, today's "modern" Trek, is all bad. No moral to each episode. Nothing to learn but nihilism and overblown emotional outbursts. More than ever, we need to go back to the episodic formula that has us all hoping that we all end up in that future.
How would Groucho Marx have put it? "If Lower Decks is a gift it's a pity they didn't keep the receipt!"
The Miles O'brien bit they did in Lower decks was probably my favorite thing I've ever seen on a TV.
And when First Contact came out, Trek fans were pissed that the Borg were an ant hill by introducing the Borg Queen, now fans love it
TNG started to find its 🦶 in season 2. It was solid by 3
Doesn't everyone agree that the first great episode of TNG was season 2,episode 9, "Measure of a Man "?
@@rhocat362 Absolutely, and they also ended that season with the worst episode they ever managed
4:27 "hey fans we know we completely ruined all of trek established Canon and tone but hey we bought back a character are you happy? How about we do it again? No?"