@@RSBurgener That's actually a very effective way of conveying just how strong and experienced Astartes are supposed to be, it's not that scout work is meant to kill them to diminish the number of recruits, but more like if they were even good candidates for becoming Astartes, to begin with, this is the kind of standard that is expected of them. They're basically saying that every Astartes should be able to survive with minimal gear and armor, relying on tactics, strategy and organization rather than raw power.
Look up the Roman 'maniple' battle system. The scouts are there to tie up and tire out the enemy force so the more elite infantry can come and clean up while suffering minimal losses. Very flavorful for Ultramarines at least...
I bought 3 boxes, then they moved them to legends, I play plenty of legends games though so not the worst ever (cough sonic dreadnought/helbrute cough)
@@SoulCrusherEx I used to take tanks out all the time. I ran them as Blood Ravens (I think it was in 5th edition?) and they could stealth deploy at different parts of the map.
I own 30 scouts with sniper rifles, off to 30k they go. I also own another 30 or so of various pursuasions. Back in 3rd I took them with shotguns and as a Blood Angels player I didn't need my required troops being randomly poached by a Chaplain.
I was tempted to start a Imperial knight army after I built my Canes Rex. Then I looked over my Tanks collection and just put together an Iron Storm list with Dreadnoughts, Techmarines and Rex as an Ally. Close enough and worked like a Charm...plus the Redemptors and Brutalis looking so much better these den Amigers. Techmarines are rly powerful.
Everyone has a little chuckle when I sit my turrets down like they're a little meme unit. Then I las them in overwatch on 4+ and a reroll on the oath target if lucky. They soon learn to hate them 😂
@@LazerMEOW the first time I took one for fun I literally ordered a second one on my phone on the way home from that game. They're amazing. Glad to have met a fellow turret enjoyer.
So I play blood angels, the LAG detachment has advance shoot and charge. That on average is a 12” threat range with a T6 2+ big guns never tire. Is this the best use of the strat? Probably not, but man would it be funny
It just doesn't play into how comp 40k sets itself out, which is sadly all GW can do for 40k. It's good FUN in casual games, but GW doesn't like fun or casual games.
It'd be fine if they also got their buff for being ON an objective. THAT is something you want to do, and it feels like a good inverse to the raiders detachment.
@CuriousLumenwood the issue with stormlance isn't the rules, it's model synergy. There aren't enough mounted units and land speeders just can't squeeze enough out of the detachment.
Redeemer has been MVP in kills everytime I use it... especially with its Overwatch threat, and payload of 6 Aggressors and Biologis combo.... holds and defends objectives super well and diverts your opponent's focus away from what is waiting in Deepstrike or covering as the slower units advance up the board. Definitely one of my fav combos!
for vanguard... what about making a shooting heavy list with 3 squads of scouts to jump around, infiltrate for objectives and general OC. 6 inceptors to drop and contest objectives - pull them back into reseverves for 1 cp Then have incursors with a phobos librarian infiltrate with the enhancement and buff+1 to hit for the artillery stormspeeder thunderstrike shooting for +1 to wound rest of the list is shooting, pew pew, boom boom
Interesting that when I take tough and punchy stuff, they tend to die round 1 or 2 and when I take more or less expendable things like scouts or combi-lieutenant they last all game
Interesting. Will look at having a go with these ideas. Sad there's no mention of Anvil Seige force though (I personally really like that detachment and use it the most)
Just wanna point out for folks cause i missed it for ages. Jumpack chaplain isn't legend yet, great with Jump Pack assualts and an easy/fun mini to kitbash
Just a thought because I am testing it, a full brick of reivers with grav-chutes led by the phobos lieutenant (the normal one...the one with the combi...the one without the skull mask as well...the one with 2 knifes!) taking their carbines for Gladius. While not an omega level damage unit, it is 20 shots out to 24" for a unit that can deep strike baked in with no further support and gimmicks required. Precision also enables utility in being able to focus all of that firepower into a character hiding within a unit that you want dead which may be conferring powerful buffs that make the unit harder to handle. Also, that lieutenants secondary buff is a "shoot and scoot" ability that moves the unit D6" which is really nice, but the real kicker is that it DOESN'T stop you charging. You could deep strike that squad in, fire at a unit, scoot D6" towards the unit you stayed just out of 9" from and now at Minimum you have turned a 9" charge into a 8" charge, with the average being about a 6" charge. Quite powerful to be able to consistently threaten a homefield holding unit, and does actually mean if the unit can deep strike outside of a denial aura (like infiltrators), you can always go for the hail mary charge even on a bad scoot roll when normally that unit may be unasailable.
Throw them into liberator assault group. More attacks and more strength, spend cp if you feel they need it. Its basically a 3d6 deepstrike charge unit thatll really tie up a backline unit.
Cute until you realize there's no ap on any of the weapons aside from the pistols on the reivers, and it's all str 4 and likely to bounce depending on the character.
If you're fighting against something like demons sure, you'll maybe kill 4 or 5 bloodletters. If you're against marines you'll maybe kill 1-2 at best. They just don't kill anything, the only way to get any use out of them is with stuff which increases AP, and by that point any other unit does the job better
@@zachhowe98 onder the transports page17 subheading embark: unkess otherwise stated, units cannot do anything or be affected in any way while they are embarked. so if he's emabarked bfore the game starts he cant use the nominate an objective rule at the start of game
@@kaptinbadrukk2668 The start of the battle is before any units have been placed on the battlefield or in reserves/transports, as the battle includes the deployment step, not just the first turn
the problem with this kind of videos is that, GW almost never buff units or change it's rules so, the outcome would be nerf those good units, 10th has been overall terrible at internal balance (beyond points). At this point people is only using 33% of codex SM because the remaining units were nerfed or never did anything valuable (even if they drop points). So, another nerf is coming and SM would become even more spam of the same few remaining units.
My Ultramarines Gladius list never leaves home without my Captain, a Fire Discipline Lieutenant, and 10 Sternguard. Slap Devvy Doctrine on (multiple times if need be), Storm of Fire the nearest close range target and just melt any heavy infantry.
Scouts, I always run 1x Missile, 1x sniper, 1x shotgun (because he is eligible to shoot after advancing so lets squad perform some tasks), and the rest with sword
Can’t fool me Auspex, that’s a Hernkyn Yaegir sniper in the thumbnail! Edit: after looking at it more and cross-referencing the internet, I’m pretty sure that’s an old scout sniper. Silhouette is uncanny!
Be prepared for a lot of hard fights ahead of you. We aren't in a good spot right now, but I love marines and think of you want to start them you should go for it
I have 10 terminators that I don’t really know what to do with. I’m running blood angels, and they just aren’t fitting in my army. I’m finding other models do their job better.
One month later and a bunch of things got nerfed :'D I ALMOST miss the days of "There's your edition, tough tits for the next 3-4 years. No, we will not communicate." I just want to make a fluffy list like back when I had to take a Captain and two Tactical Squads, then build of something that felt like a Strike Force, not what was 'Meta' to have a fair and even-footed game. Rather than getting facerolled by Leman Russ Squadrons and C'tan shards....
i really wish they'd un-nerf ironstorm, for me at least it just killed any desire to play it after the strat nerf, i was even fine with the enhancement nerfs even if imo they need to be way cheaper now.
Can someone explain to me how Calgar's Honour Guard can tank shots for the Aggresors that Calgar is attached to? At my FLGS they insist damage is assigned to the bodyguard unit first, which is the Aggresors, not the Honour Guard. Is there an FAQ somewhere that explains this?
It's the difference between Character Model and Character Unit. The Honor Guard models don't have the character keyword, only Calgar does. When you pick a model to take saves, the wording is you can't pick Character models while Bodyguard models are still alive. Which means if no one in the unit is currently injured you get to choose between Agressors or Honor Guard to take a save. Astra Militarum Command Squads and Chaos Dark Communes do the same thing. Everyone except the Officer/Demagogue isn't a Character, so can be killed before any normal bodyguards if you wanted to for some reason.
the honor guard do not have the 'character' keyword, and as such are a PART of the bodyguard unit, and therefore you can select for them to take damage before the aggressors, just like any other unit.
The librarian + infiltrators combo is absolutely lethal against grey knights - I run dark angels and try to play thematic lists over optimal lists , but one day I felt tired of losing to my buddy’s grey knights so I countered as hard as possible. The screen keeping my deployment zone (on hammer and anvil) safe allowed a firestrike servo turret finish off a dreadknight on overwatch. I just threw it in as a meme pick since my “theme” was vehicles and deep strike denial…
He's referring to the Lieutenant, who also gives Lethal Hits to a unit and can be used for the Fire Discipline combo, whereas you'd want a Biologis for doing it on Gravis units
How would one really know if the SM's really needs a power-boost or not tbh? If most competitive players will sort of always jump ship to the most viable of the non-compliant chapters and most new players to the game picking SM's more often than not, their win-rate is sort of forever doomed to be very hard to sort of get a good and truly representative read on I think. I think that if it ever came close to 50%, then that should ring some alarm bells in some ways. That being said though, it should be good enough that it is tempting for a fair section of the overall SM player base ideally speaking.
I think the vanilla space marines could use some buffs only to them and not applicable for the named chapters. In general they've felt ok in my local area though.
@@jameskurth3560 as a CSM main, there is a lot in the SM roster that I look at and just drool at, but CSM also have their own things for sure. What annoys the hell out of me is that the CSM needs EPIC characters to access rules that are commonly available to some generic SM characters and datasheets. 😛
@@runeh3022 I'd like to see less epic characters in general. To be fair I've lost more vs the same vanilla space marines than any other faction. A move'shoot'move list with lots of phobos units. He could run the same thing as any chapter though and add to it. He's allergic to painting them as a chapter though. Neither of us handle close combat well at least. Hopefully my guard and eldar get decent codices.
Im not a fan of gravis, thematically as i love tacticus, artificer and terminator armour however aggressors are simply fantastic. My 3 always put work in, now imagine 6 with a gravis captain
This edition sacrificed too much on competitive thematic list building thanks to the absence of any Army building rules. Instead we see a lot of factions using units in detachments that you normally wouldn't see, big stompy Centurions and Terminators in a Vanguard Detachment. A Competitive Necron detachment that barely uses any Battleline infantry and instead spams as many vehicles and/or mutiple C'tan with a few cheap action mobnbkeys which makes no sense. I hate how Librariabs are designed now with only having access to Smite. If choosing 1-2 Powers out of a reduces list of 4 is too complicated, than maybe GW should double check its player base. Same with Cryptek Arkana. GW came up with a cool idea that gave Crypteks their own sort of Tech spells for the cost of most enhancements and then they totally ditched the idea after 1 single edition. I'm scvrataching my gead at a lot of the new design changes, especially after reading the rules for AoS 4.0 (Mostly based around rules for listing building and picking subfactions which I sorely miss from 9th edition.) Maybe its too hard to pull off because of all the data sheets they sent to Legends this edition and it just happen I own the two factions that lost the most units/characters to legends this edition. I'm not salty my Necrons out of the 5 detachments have 1 go to detachment that doesn't feel like I'm playing a Necron Army. Luckily I can still fall back on Awakened Dynasty, but I guess GW is going to ignore the blatant issues with Annihilation Legion and the Obeisance Phalanx Detachments which have intriguing playstyles, but th Codex has a lot of bad Internal Balance, like the inability to viably take Praetorians in a detachment that contains several strats and a detachment ability that incentives you to take a few units at 240, but then when you look at Chaos Space Marines, their Warp Talons went up to 270 points which is just ridiculous. This includes a lot of their elite troops having received huge points increases when taken in units of 10 such as Possessed coming in at 250 points and having their Devasting Wounds activate whenever they successfully make a Dark Pact. They did the same with Chosen with a unit of 10 also costing you 250 points. Luckily 10 Raptors are only 180 and can attach a unique hero to them. Legionnaires also went up, but they are still affordable at 180 for 10, which is where you will likely see generic heroes to access enhancements. I was thinking about breaking up 2 units of Havocs and using them as the Legionaries Heavy Weapon options for every 5 Models in the unit which they can loadup the entire unit in a Rhino and Fire their Lascanons or whatever you chose. Its not a good sign when players are still using their Index and have anxiety about receiving their eventual Codex after witnessing other factions experiencing a lot of negative changes which include losing 2-5 Data sheets to Legends, points increases that are significantly higher than their index versions, and then there is the drama of wondering how many detachments will be in their Codex...will it be 8 like Orks and Chaos Marines?? Or will it be 4 like Sisters of Battle?? Or how about a random number of 5 like Necrons which GW initially stated that each detachment would represent a playstyle based on a pre-existing subfaction or Dynasty which should have put Necrons at 6 detachments. GW has lost the ability to create a game that can be competitive while also maintaining faction identity, an army building system that only contains 1 rule, spend 2000 points on any units you have and place them in any detachment whether it goes against faction lore or moving stories and plot lines which we will probably never see the end of. At least restrict certain unit keywords where it makes sense uwhen using certain detachments, and for the love of God give Codex Compliant Space Marine Chapters a bone, especially Chapters that only contain 1-2 Epic Heroes...I can feel their pain. This is why subfaction traits should have never been completely gone away. Tone them down depending on how weak or Strong the Chapter is. Ultramarines for example are fine with access to all the powerful characters they have plus a Primarch. White Scars need something strong, maybe if they choose Stormlance? Give them access to a few free enhancements or increase the base move of all their Mounted and Vehicle units so they are permanently higher than other Chapters. All I can say is that I hope GW announced there would be no more new Codex launches this year because they are reviewing a lot of their prior life choices when they designed 10th edition. They somehow dumbed down certain aspects like " You no pick Psychic Powers from a list, You just get 1 based on the Librarians' armor type". Then they messed around with Fly and now we all have to count diagonal inches to hop over a 5" Wall and another 5" to diagonally fly down. Hello!! Kill Team!! How about that new Launch Box with the Imperial Soldiers with Grav Chutes and the new amazing Vespid Sculpts. Seriously, a lot of awesome changes especially to Space Marines by combining Interecession with Task Force Justinian which creates a Kill Team of Space Marines that can shoot or fight twice and can include a Captain, Heavy Intercessors, Eliminators, in addition to the normal Intercessors which hopefully an still take a grenade launcher. Its been confirmed they can still pick 2 chapter tactics...
Scouts are preposterously good for the points. Relatively durable, excellent abilities, super versatile, a few very admirable weapon options. If Marines had a better overall winrate, GW could easily up these to 75 points and they'd still be fine.
I woke my roommate up when I laughed at the Eradicators. Sure they're good units...but Drukhari Scourges can take 4 Melta weapons/squad and have St14 Ap-4 at the same range and melta(2) with better movement. Where are my fellow Deldar mains?
I wish the sniper scouts atill existed, as a space wolves player it feels like wasting point getting a utility unit that cant pull its weight in fire power
Why? It's the only chance SMs have of reliably screening their own deployment zone, especially now that everyone but Codex Marines seems to be able to pop a strat and deep strike 3 inches away with any unit these days, whereas Inceptors got hiked into absurdity for the ability to do the same thing (and then die immediately). What an awful take lmao
I love how the next generation of Space Marines, the future of the chapter, are the most expendable of their warriors.
Society
And more powerful in terms of winning than Bladeguards or Terminators...screw you elite Marines xD
@@RSBurgener That's actually a very effective way of conveying just how strong and experienced Astartes are supposed to be, it's not that scout work is meant to kill them to diminish the number of recruits, but more like if they were even good candidates for becoming Astartes, to begin with, this is the kind of standard that is expected of them. They're basically saying that every Astartes should be able to survive with minimal gear and armor, relying on tactics, strategy and organization rather than raw power.
Look up the Roman 'maniple' battle system. The scouts are there to tie up and tire out the enemy force so the more elite infantry can come and clean up while suffering minimal losses. Very flavorful for Ultramarines at least...
Only the best & toughest survive to become full space marines
The text on the Scouts slide is out of focus, I cleaned my glasses thinking it was on my end lol
auspex fell off
Some of the lines are clear and some are just randomly blurred
I used to love running sniper scouts way back in the day.
Same... I felled an Avatar of Khaine with them alone back in edition 6
I bought 3 boxes, then they moved them to legends, I play plenty of legends games though so not the worst ever (cough sonic dreadnought/helbrute cough)
@@SoulCrusherEx I used to take tanks out all the time. I ran them as Blood Ravens (I think it was in 5th edition?) and they could stealth deploy at different parts of the map.
I own 30 scouts with sniper rifles, off to 30k they go.
I also own another 30 or so of various pursuasions.
Back in 3rd I took them with shotguns and as a Blood Angels player I didn't need my required troops being randomly poached by a Chaplain.
I was tempted to start a Imperial knight army after I built my Canes Rex. Then I looked over my Tanks collection and just put together an Iron Storm list with Dreadnoughts, Techmarines and Rex as an Ally. Close enough and worked like a Charm...plus the Redemptors and Brutalis looking so much better these den Amigers. Techmarines are rly powerful.
Plus you get oath of moment! Way to go!
@@catherinedalzell3183 "sadly" not for the Rex...but this would be to overpowered with the 5+ critical hits... overpowered but fun xD
Your list sounds epic AF my guy, Techmarines are hella swole!! 🍻 cheers! May the Dice Gods roll in your favor!!
As a knights player I whole heartedly agree that the Brutalis looks much better
Last time I was this early Sanguinius was still alive.
HORUUUUUUUUSSSSSS
Last time I saw an original comment, the Emperor walked among humans.
That's not true nor funny. 40k is gay enough without all that gross meme culture sh*t.
@@charleshowie2074 Imagine how much of a neckbeard you have to be to gatekeep your hobby so hard it can't even be mentioned in a joke.
wow that means you have not been born yet.....yeah. yeah.
What? No Firestrike Turret?? The Temerity!!!
Everyone has a little chuckle when I sit my turrets down like they're a little meme unit. Then I las them in overwatch on 4+ and a reroll on the oath target if lucky. They soon learn to hate them 😂
@@SC1ENCEP1E I knew I wasn't alone!!!
@@LazerMEOW I rly like the idea of an heavy gun turret to protect the home field or something like that...but man this unit is shit. xD
@@LazerMEOW the first time I took one for fun I literally ordered a second one on my phone on the way home from that game. They're amazing. Glad to have met a fellow turret enjoyer.
So I play blood angels, the LAG detachment has advance shoot and charge. That on average is a 12” threat range with a T6 2+ big guns never tire. Is this the best use of the strat? Probably not, but man would it be funny
I like how Anvil Siege Force was just ignored, which is fair 'cause the keywords and other stuff they grant are also dismissible.
So were Stormlance and 1st company
It just doesn't play into how comp 40k sets itself out, which is sadly all GW can do for 40k.
It's good FUN in casual games, but GW doesn't like fun or casual games.
It'd be fine if they also got their buff for being ON an objective. THAT is something you want to do, and it feels like a good inverse to the raiders detachment.
@CuriousLumenwood the issue with stormlance isn't the rules, it's model synergy. There aren't enough mounted units and land speeders just can't squeeze enough out of the detachment.
@CuriousLumenwood that's because Thunderwolf cav is the auto include for Stormlance lol
Redeemer has been MVP in kills everytime I use it... especially with its Overwatch threat, and payload of 6 Aggressors and Biologis combo.... holds and defends objectives super well and diverts your opponent's focus away from what is waiting in Deepstrike or covering as the slower units advance up the board. Definitely one of my fav combos!
for vanguard...
what about making a shooting heavy list with 3 squads of scouts to jump around, infiltrate for objectives and general OC. 6 inceptors to drop and contest objectives - pull them back into reseverves for 1 cp
Then have incursors with a phobos librarian infiltrate with the enhancement and buff+1 to hit for the artillery
stormspeeder thunderstrike shooting for +1 to wound
rest of the list is shooting, pew pew, boom boom
Dude I just gotta say you have a way of speaking that keeps me listening even while at work and I cant even see the video XD
Interesting that when I take tough and punchy stuff, they tend to die round 1 or 2 and when I take more or less expendable things like scouts or combi-lieutenant they last all game
Interesting. Will look at having a go with these ideas. Sad there's no mention of Anvil Seige force though (I personally really like that detachment and use it the most)
If you run a Gravis Captain with one of the enhancements and armor of contempt for 0CP you have a mini Gilliman.
Just wanna point out for folks cause i missed it for ages. Jumpack chaplain isn't legend yet, great with Jump Pack assualts and an easy/fun mini to kitbash
It's not legends, the model is just like 9 years old and needs a refresh!
Just put it on some extra tactical rocks
@@william9557 Lemartes and Astorath already got one ;) I know that's not what you meant, but someone needed to poke some fun.
Just a thought because I am testing it, a full brick of reivers with grav-chutes led by the phobos lieutenant (the normal one...the one with the combi...the one without the skull mask as well...the one with 2 knifes!) taking their carbines for Gladius. While not an omega level damage unit, it is 20 shots out to 24" for a unit that can deep strike baked in with no further support and gimmicks required. Precision also enables utility in being able to focus all of that firepower into a character hiding within a unit that you want dead which may be conferring powerful buffs that make the unit harder to handle.
Also, that lieutenants secondary buff is a "shoot and scoot" ability that moves the unit D6" which is really nice, but the real kicker is that it DOESN'T stop you charging. You could deep strike that squad in, fire at a unit, scoot D6" towards the unit you stayed just out of 9" from and now at Minimum you have turned a 9" charge into a 8" charge, with the average being about a 6" charge. Quite powerful to be able to consistently threaten a homefield holding unit, and does actually mean if the unit can deep strike outside of a denial aura (like infiltrators), you can always go for the hail mary charge even on a bad scoot roll when normally that unit may be unasailable.
Throw them into liberator assault group.
More attacks and more strength, spend cp if you feel they need it.
Its basically a 3d6 deepstrike charge unit thatll really tie up a backline unit.
Cute until you realize there's no ap on any of the weapons aside from the pistols on the reivers, and it's all str 4 and likely to bounce depending on the character.
If you're fighting against something like demons sure, you'll maybe kill 4 or 5 bloodletters. If you're against marines you'll maybe kill 1-2 at best. They just don't kill anything, the only way to get any use out of them is with stuff which increases AP, and by that point any other unit does the job better
Hestan with comp heroes, agatone with 6 bladeguard and lieutenant that has ignores mods, all inside a redeemer is spicy.
hestan's special rule doesn't trigger unless he's on the table and not embarked at start of game
@@kaptinbadrukk2668 the choose an objective one? Why? It doesn't say he needs to be on the battlefield.
@@zachhowe98 onder the transports page17 subheading embark: unkess otherwise stated, units cannot do anything or be affected in any way while they are embarked. so if he's emabarked bfore the game starts he cant use the nominate an objective rule at the start of game
@@kaptinbadrukk2668 well that just seems silly
@@kaptinbadrukk2668 The start of the battle is before any units have been placed on the battlefield or in reserves/transports, as the battle includes the deployment step, not just the first turn
the problem with this kind of videos is that, GW almost never buff units or change it's rules so, the outcome would be nerf those good units, 10th has been overall terrible at internal balance (beyond points). At this point people is only using 33% of codex SM because the remaining units were nerfed or never did anything valuable (even if they drop points). So, another nerf is coming and SM would become even more spam of the same few remaining units.
Divergent chapters are the bigger issue imo. Take away the Space Marine Codex Chapters from those and things can be balanced better imo.
They have so many units. It will come naturally that a portion is just better... otherwise you would just produce redundancy
My Ultramarines Gladius list never leaves home without my Captain, a Fire Discipline Lieutenant, and 10 Sternguard. Slap Devvy Doctrine on (multiple times if need be), Storm of Fire the nearest close range target and just melt any heavy infantry.
Really anoying to not see Ravens guards on Vanguard Spearhead
They need more special units.
A Raven guard jump squad with lightning claws.
A 5 man sniper unit just like in 30k. And some more special characters.
This, 100%. The abilities of the UM characters should reside in the Ravenguard chapter.
@tomwest3039 yeah, RV definitely need more unique characters. Imagine if they had a named character sniper.
Also kind of irritating is that Vanguard spearhead is best for heavy units and not phobos.
Totally agree @@ZbunjenaGirica
Scouts, I always run 1x Missile, 1x sniper, 1x shotgun (because he is eligible to shoot after advancing so lets squad perform some tasks), and the rest with sword
Unfortunately you can no longer do actions after advancing
That is not how actions work
@@r3dmanMIC nice
5 man Blood Angel Scout Squad all with Close Combat Weapons hit way above their paygrade in the Sons of Sanguinius Detachment.
Four AUTO-INCLUDE Space Marine Units? These Still Don't Win Games!
Fixed the title for you.
Talking like your army is GSC is so corny lol DA and BA are doing very well right now
Can’t fool me Auspex, that’s a Hernkyn Yaegir sniper in the thumbnail!
Edit: after looking at it more and cross-referencing the internet, I’m pretty sure that’s an old scout sniper. Silhouette is uncanny!
The vindicator outclasses the lancer
About to start a space marine army
Good for you, dont watch this. You will chase your tale. Pick a codex and read it well. Pick a few units and play. Really hope you enjoy your games.
@@tinkertoiler744 Thanks
Pick some models you think look cool and use them. My recommendation.
Be prepared for a lot of hard fights ahead of you. We aren't in a good spot right now, but I love marines and think of you want to start them you should go for it
my imperial fist army uses all mentioned lol
Combi-Lieutenant is insanely good at doing secondaries. I actually ran two just because they’re so annoying and mobile.
I have 10 terminators that I don’t really know what to do with. I’m running blood angels, and they just aren’t fitting in my army. I’m finding other models do their job better.
One month later and a bunch of things got nerfed :'D
I ALMOST miss the days of "There's your edition, tough tits for the next 3-4 years. No, we will not communicate."
I just want to make a fluffy list like back when I had to take a Captain and two Tactical Squads, then build of something that felt like a Strike Force, not what was 'Meta' to have a fair and even-footed game. Rather than getting facerolled by Leman Russ Squadrons and C'tan shards....
Sucks that the scouts, useful and cheap points wise, are now $80 thanks to the new edition of Kill Team.
Scouts are great and cheap in game but now they are so expensive especially with the new Kill Team prices to get them...sad
If you wanted scouts you'd have them by now, been out ages. £34 for 2 units is good value, you can still get them.
Meanwhile Dark Angels: Azrael; Death Knights ; Loyal Chosens; and shroud)
i really wish they'd un-nerf ironstorm, for me at least it just killed any desire to play it after the strat nerf, i was even fine with the enhancement nerfs even if imo they need to be way cheaper now.
Can someone explain to me how Calgar's Honour Guard can tank shots for the Aggresors that Calgar is attached to? At my FLGS they insist damage is assigned to the bodyguard unit first, which is the Aggresors, not the Honour Guard. Is there an FAQ somewhere that explains this?
It's the difference between Character Model and Character Unit. The Honor Guard models don't have the character keyword, only Calgar does. When you pick a model to take saves, the wording is you can't pick Character models while Bodyguard models are still alive. Which means if no one in the unit is currently injured you get to choose between Agressors or Honor Guard to take a save.
Astra Militarum Command Squads and Chaos Dark Communes do the same thing. Everyone except the Officer/Demagogue isn't a Character, so can be killed before any normal bodyguards if you wanted to for some reason.
the honor guard do not have the 'character' keyword, and as such are a PART of the bodyguard unit, and therefore you can select for them to take damage before the aggressors, just like any other unit.
@@TyhaldrasSo it's not that wounds must be allocated to the bodyguard unit first. It's that wounds can't be allocated to the leader model first.
The librarian + infiltrators combo is absolutely lethal against grey knights - I run dark angels and try to play thematic lists over optimal lists , but one day I felt tired of losing to my buddy’s grey knights so I countered as hard as possible. The screen keeping my deployment zone (on hammer and anvil) safe allowed a firestrike servo turret finish off a dreadknight on overwatch. I just threw it in as a meme pick since my “theme” was vehicles and deep strike denial…
Hellblasters can't be lead by apothecary biologis, only apothecary no? 10:53
According to wahapedia 10th:
"This model can be attached to the following units:
Aggressor Squad
Eradicator Squad
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He's referring to the Lieutenant, who also gives Lethal Hits to a unit and can be used for the Fire Discipline combo, whereas you'd want a Biologis for doing it on Gravis units
you use the lieutenant instead they both give the same buff
Question is it a good idea to have Azreal and lieutenant with fire discipline leading hellblaster
No because azrael already has sustained, you can put azrael on something else if you like but don’t use fire discipline + azrael it’s not worth it
@@fat12e87 thanks
How would one really know if the SM's really needs a power-boost or not tbh? If most competitive players will sort of always jump ship to the most viable of the non-compliant chapters and most new players to the game picking SM's more often than not, their win-rate is sort of forever doomed to be very hard to sort of get a good and truly representative read on I think. I think that if it ever came close to 50%, then that should ring some alarm bells in some ways. That being said though, it should be good enough that it is tempting for a fair section of the overall SM player base ideally speaking.
I think the vanilla space marines could use some buffs only to them and not applicable for the named chapters. In general they've felt ok in my local area though.
@@jameskurth3560 as a CSM main, there is a lot in the SM roster that I look at and just drool at, but CSM also have their own things for sure. What annoys the hell out of me is that the CSM needs EPIC characters to access rules that are commonly available to some generic SM characters and datasheets. 😛
@@runeh3022 I'd like to see less epic characters in general. To be fair I've lost more vs the same vanilla space marines than any other faction. A move'shoot'move list with lots of phobos units. He could run the same thing as any chapter though and add to it. He's allergic to painting them as a chapter though. Neither of us handle close combat well at least. Hopefully my guard and eldar get decent codices.
Winrates are from grand tournament level players. These numbers aren't being pulled from noobs playing their first game at a lgs.
Im not a fan of gravis, thematically as i love tacticus, artificer and terminator armour however aggressors are simply fantastic. My 3 always put work in, now imagine 6 with a gravis captain
4:43 wolf scouts or regulars?
Isn't this three, not four?
I hate the Auto Include mentality 😒
Buy something you like not just buy something because its good
I like to buy good things, I generally like them better than bad things. In all aspects of life.
I thought scout moves happened before the roll off for first turn?
After, because if you and your opponent both have scout, the player with first turn does scout moves first
This edition sacrificed too much on competitive thematic list building thanks to the absence of any Army building rules. Instead we see a lot of factions using units in detachments that you normally wouldn't see, big stompy Centurions and Terminators in a Vanguard Detachment.
A Competitive Necron detachment that barely uses any Battleline infantry and instead spams as many vehicles and/or mutiple C'tan with a few cheap action mobnbkeys which makes no sense.
I hate how Librariabs are designed now with only having access to Smite. If choosing 1-2 Powers out of a reduces list of 4 is too complicated, than maybe GW should double check its player base. Same with Cryptek Arkana. GW came up with a cool idea that gave Crypteks their own sort of Tech spells for the cost of most enhancements and then they totally ditched the idea after 1 single edition.
I'm scvrataching my gead at a lot of the new design changes, especially after reading the rules for AoS 4.0 (Mostly based around rules for listing building and picking subfactions which I sorely miss from 9th edition.) Maybe its too hard to pull off because of all the data sheets they sent to Legends this edition and it just happen I own the two factions that lost the most units/characters to legends this edition. I'm not salty my Necrons out of the 5 detachments have 1 go to detachment that doesn't feel like I'm playing a Necron Army.
Luckily I can still fall back on Awakened Dynasty, but I guess GW is going to ignore the blatant issues with Annihilation Legion and the Obeisance Phalanx Detachments which have intriguing playstyles, but th Codex has a lot of bad Internal Balance, like the inability to viably take Praetorians in a detachment that contains several strats and a detachment ability that incentives you to take a few units at 240, but then when you look at Chaos Space Marines, their Warp Talons went up to 270 points which is just ridiculous. This includes a lot of their elite troops having received huge points increases when taken in units of 10 such as Possessed coming in at 250 points and having their Devasting Wounds activate whenever they successfully make a Dark Pact.
They did the same with Chosen with a unit of 10 also costing you 250 points.
Luckily 10 Raptors are only 180 and can attach a unique hero to them.
Legionnaires also went up, but they are still affordable at 180 for 10, which is where you will likely see generic heroes to access enhancements. I was thinking about breaking up 2 units of Havocs and using them as the Legionaries Heavy Weapon options for every 5 Models in the unit which they can loadup the entire unit in a Rhino and Fire their Lascanons or whatever you chose.
Its not a good sign when players are still using their Index and have anxiety about receiving their eventual Codex after witnessing other factions experiencing a lot of negative changes which include losing 2-5 Data sheets to Legends, points increases that are significantly higher than their index versions, and then there is the drama of wondering how many detachments will be in their Codex...will it be 8 like Orks and Chaos Marines?? Or will it be 4 like Sisters of Battle?? Or how about a random number of 5 like Necrons which GW initially stated that each detachment would represent a playstyle based on a pre-existing subfaction or Dynasty which should have put Necrons at 6 detachments.
GW has lost the ability to create a game that can be competitive while also maintaining faction identity, an army building system that only contains 1 rule, spend 2000 points on any units you have and place them in any detachment whether it goes against faction lore or moving stories and plot lines which we will probably never see the end of.
At least restrict certain unit keywords where it makes sense uwhen using certain detachments, and for the love of God give Codex Compliant Space Marine Chapters a bone, especially Chapters that only contain 1-2 Epic Heroes...I can feel their pain.
This is why subfaction traits should have never been completely gone away. Tone them down depending on how weak or Strong the Chapter is. Ultramarines for example are fine with access to all the powerful characters they have plus a Primarch. White Scars need something strong, maybe if they choose Stormlance? Give them access to a few free enhancements or increase the base move of all their Mounted and Vehicle units so they are permanently higher than other Chapters.
All I can say is that I hope GW announced there would be no more new Codex launches this year because they are reviewing a lot of their prior life choices when they designed 10th edition. They somehow dumbed down certain aspects like " You no pick Psychic Powers from a list, You just get 1 based on the Librarians' armor type". Then they messed around with Fly and now we all have to count diagonal inches to hop over a 5" Wall and another 5" to diagonally fly down.
Hello!! Kill Team!! How about that new Launch Box with the Imperial Soldiers with Grav Chutes and the new amazing Vespid Sculpts. Seriously, a lot of awesome changes especially to Space Marines by combining Interecession with Task Force Justinian which creates a Kill Team of Space Marines that can shoot or fight twice and can include a Captain, Heavy Intercessors, Eliminators, in addition to the normal Intercessors which hopefully an still take a grenade launcher. Its been confirmed they can still pick 2 chapter tactics...
Can you do an updated CSM auto include next please?
Correct title: Three AUTO-INCLUDE Space Marine Units? These Win Games!
Scouts are preposterously good for the points. Relatively durable, excellent abilities, super versatile, a few very admirable weapon options. If Marines had a better overall winrate, GW could easily up these to 75 points and they'd still be fine.
Auto-includes for each detachment:
Gladius - Azrael
Ironstorm - Don’t
Firestorm - Don’t
Vanguard - Calgar
1st Company - Don’t
Anvil - Don’t
Stormlance - Thunderwolf Cavalry
Welcome to 10th. Fuck your compliant chapters.
Suppressors are looking auto-include to me.
They're not, at all. One of our worst units.
Is that a yeagir silhouette in the thumbnail?!
I woke my roommate up when I laughed at the Eradicators. Sure they're good units...but Drukhari Scourges can take 4 Melta weapons/squad and have St14 Ap-4 at the same range and melta(2) with better movement.
Where are my fellow Deldar mains?
And? This video is about marines you doughnut.
Last time I was this early, the comments aren't 75% complaints about GW.
Was this in 1998?
Do CSM next so I can learn how to not suck
Oh, wow, I have never been this early
gotta love the hernkyn yaegir on the thumbnail of a space marine video
I wish the sniper scouts atill existed, as a space wolves player it feels like wasting point getting a utility unit that cant pull its weight in fire power
Maka a votann one next... actually nevermind 😂
Me space wolves 😑 first one to do the agreesor apothecary biogris combo 👋 it was fun
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I will never understand how intercesors are t6 wtf is that shit
Heavy intercessors are, they're in gravis, which is t6 armour. Normal intercessors are t4
That 12" deep strike denial need a nerf by only working on No man's land and Enemy's deployment zone
Yes, space marines need a nerf...
Why? It's the only chance SMs have of reliably screening their own deployment zone, especially now that everyone but Codex Marines seems to be able to pop a strat and deep strike 3 inches away with any unit these days, whereas Inceptors got hiked into absurdity for the ability to do the same thing (and then die immediately). What an awful take lmao