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- Yep, just startet phase 2 on the Smart Hayabusa and I want to reduce her weight. So I built myself a HUGE THERMOFORMING MACHINE, also called vacuum forming machine to reproduce parts from the car but lighter.....and a lot cheaper!! Here is the complete built of that new tool for my shop!
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They should call you this old Viny
🤣🤣🤣very good one!!!!
While an amateur at vacforming, a few things I learned during my research was
1) The plastic cools quickly. Meaning after you take it off the heat you want it molding as fast as possible.
2) Have the vacuums on before you transfer the plastic. That way the second they hit the bottom they are pulling (as you help pull it down over your molds)
👍 thanks for the advices!
I got so very close to getting a vacuume form so i could make rc truck bodies. I'm just gonna have to do that. ! Thanks for inspiring me bro 👊✌️🤙👍
Glad it inspired you! 👍
Your “English” captions crack me up, of course here in North Carolina our English is not 100% either 🤣
Vinny, you certainly are inspiring, some cool ideas there or was it’s just hot stuff 👍👴🏻
Thanks Terry
I suspect one of the issues you're running into is the time between the heat and the vacuum. Most machines I've seen have these integrated so the transition is much faster. Of course, being in Hoth-like temperatures can't help.
Great content!
Yeaahhh...the cold must not have help me 🤦♂️ Of curse, hotter is better, so the longer the gap is between the heat and the vacuum will have an impact. For now, I put all my trust in the fact that I was forming thicker sheest that I was intending to use...hopefully, I ll have better results with 1/8" sheets, we will see that in roughly 2 weeks...😅
Digging out the sheet metal from the snow. XD So Canadian.
I know right...😅
I can't wait to see car body parts made.. I do have a suggestion. Rather than 2 vacuum cleaners, how about a vacuum pump that sucks out all the air it can from a large steel tank. Then when the plastic is plyable, pop open a valve that will quickly draw the plastic down around your parts. You may need to build a smaller volume vacuum plate though... The smaller volume the better, I'd think!
My plan was, first test with the vacuum, if it doesn't work, add a valve, use the vacuum at first to remove a max of air, then close the valve and use the vacuum from the tank. Thanks for you comment Steve...we'll see how the machine will work with 1/8'' ABS
@@VinyB57 I understand that, but after watching more videos on this, I think the best way is a large volume tank to vacuum down and once you drop the plastic, pop open a valve that will suck all the air out rapidly. I think this because it happens rapidly, so it doesn't give the plastic any time to cool down at all. So tighter corners and better detail.. My thoughts for tanks are old compressor tanks or water heaters. Or many of them combined with large tubing between them and a large valve for a huge extremely fast draw. Even old propane tanks. Some places around Florida still sell stuff like this in scrap yards. not many anymore though! :(
Hi Steve, I completely understand your point, I'll keep that option in back up for now, just want to play a bit more with all the parameters; temperature, vacuum, material thickness before moving into a more complex and expensive solution.
Another awesome project! Love to see your son helping you out, especially at the end when you were quickly trying to secure a vacuum.
Hey Austin, thanks buddy! Yeah I dragged him into the garage to give me an hand..he's officialy my partner of crime for this process! I also had a small filming contract, he s ginna be my helper on this jobe. I m looking for excuses to have him with me on my project. Does your kids have an interest in what your doing?
@@VinyB57 He used to help me build engines, but now he only cares about Minecraft so I'm trying to adapt by building some Minecraft projects with him. Your outtakes at the end are great. Reminded me of the silly faces my little guy makes. I'm looking forward to seeing you make replacement doors.
@@AustinCoulson Yeaaaaah mines too also only care about Minecraft! 🤦♂ Ohh..mine craft project...interesting 🤔
Viny, this is super interesting. I find that pressure forming has better results than vacuum forming. Maybe a combination of both could give you super good results.
Thanks Gregg! 👍 But I'm (almost) done with this technic! 🤮😅
Propane wasn't freezing it's natural liquid state is 44° f below zero. Mostly it's just too cold to vaporize you're pushing its limits at say -20 f. And the trouble usually is not in the bottle ( unless it's small) but the line temperature is too cold for the fuel to stay vaporized. The other cold spot is the regulator which sometimes can be cured with warm water.
Of course you bypassed the regulator.👍
I have a trophy la truck with a ABS body.
And it is .060 it's adult size but the old lady wants to ride and it's too small. Plus I'm a goof and want to go bigger engine. That's when I started looking hard at one of my 76 Toyota Hilux. It's just that much bigger. Only adding about 20 lb more. If it had the type body as on the trophy Kart. Which brought me here. You don't suppose I can build a big one and just vacuum form the whole truck. Lol
really all I have to form is the fenders , Hood, Doors, and windshield. the roof and bed can be done with the heat gun.
So what you built should work nicely. Thank you much.
Isn't -22 c like -8 f?
At my age I'm not sure I could acclimate.
🤠🐂🏞️
Super projet, nous en avions une fait maison aussi à mon ancien emploie pour faire du thermoplastique de panneaux. Le chauffage était à l’huile thermique, pour faire épouser la pellicule un vacuum à -25psi et une pression d’air était utilisé de l’autre côté. Toujours aussi trippant a regarder j’ai déjà hâte au prochain vidéo 😉
Merci Mike! J'avoue qu'avec de la poussée j'aurais encore de meilleur résultat, mais pour l'instant, comme c'est juste des portes et ailes, je croise les doigts que ca va être OK ainsi!
Nice show like always...
specialy the french comments
Merci Hervé! 😁
Le prochain projet, chauffé le garage efficacement et econo ;) merci ton contenu et montage est toujours divertissant
ouinn....comme j'travaille souvent la porte ouverte pour ventiller la fumée de soudure et du plasma, j'me suis habitué à travailler dans le froid...mais c'est temps ci...y fait froid en TA!!! J'm'ennuie d'un p'tit -10..😅 Mais un jour j,vais me gater et chauffer la shop comme il faut! 😁
@@VinyB57 de plus , y fait frette au QC cette année.. fini pour moi le froid, je travaille à ma shop bien chauffer maintenant. Bonne courage Mr. A+
Nice job! interested in the future results! Best from Oregon, USA.
Amazing problem solving
Thanks Ad man!
Good afternoon, Viny! Interesting projects! If you need advice on a vacuum molding machine, write, we produce them and have experience, I will be happy to help! Great content
Cool thanks! I saw your videos, you produce a really nice machine!
@@VinyB57 thanks!
Good job big!!! Hâte de voir avec le 1/8.
Great project, fun to watch. The multiple vac's may have been overkill, as your strongest one will overpower the others and make them useless, but others may have pointed that out. Though it does increase the initial clearing of air I suppose. Just doesn't increase the final vacuum. :)
As always an awesome video Viny!
thanks Lars
Nice one viny! I went down this road once, vacuum as always the biggest issue. Ended up using the cnc router table vacuum pump. 600v 10hp - that worked. LOL
😲 10HP!! I'm not there yet!...wait...the vacuums are rated at 4hp each..combine I should have 12 hp...yeah right! 🤦♂
Awesome stuff!
This content so just so damn good... Keep 'em coming!
Thanks Rich, will sure do!
Love the content, it is a bit different from everything else I watch, entertaining, kind of informational... But has me wondering what I could use that for
Great video man 💯👍
Thanks Ryan 👍
Nice job 👍
Thanks 👍
Another quality build.
As you said weight wise it doesn't make much sense for the Smartbusa except for the glass surfaces but for crash replacement it's brilliant, all the pannels for the price of an original doorskin
Om a Smart, all the panels are already in plastic...I was only looking for an escuse to built me this machine 😅 Also I want to modify the panels, doors and fenders, and I don t know wy, I m affraid to cut the originals 🤷♂️ So I can t weight to make those large fenders...the car is gonna look sick 😅😁
@@VinyB57 Integrated fender flares and some form of intake for better rear cooling and general ventilation for when the weather is not too Canadian. 👍👍 🤣
@@gafrers 😂 that should be an official expression...when it feels like ''Canadian weather'', it's feaking cold! 😅
I remember watching someone say forming windows needs to be done in a moisture free oven. That is the case for Perspex and Lexan. Otherwise you get crazing (frosted effect) in the windows. Burning gas creates a lot of moisture.
And my shop is in the top 5, worlwide moisture production center...🤦♂ good to know Andrew, about the moisture, I'll have a look at it!
@@VinyB57 I had a dig around YT and found the video I mentioned. I hope this helps. th-cam.com/video/dgTlKkhK338/w-d-xo.html
Mate your a legend
Thanks John! 👍
Salut à toi, je découvre tes vidéos et franchement, bravo. Bien montées, bon son, bon humour, c'est toujours plus sympa à regarder.
Je te souhaite d'avoir plein de nouveaux abonnés et que ta chaine grandisse (si c'est ce que tu veux). Bye
Hey merci Francois! 👍👍
Man this is awesome
Thanks! 👍
Bravo pour le travail mais viens vivre en France: ici en ce moment il fait 5° :) Quand je faisais du modélisme RC avion, pour fabriquer des verrières ou des capots je chauffais à 180° jusqu'à obtenir une feuille totalement molle avant aspiration. Peut être que ça t'aidera. Merci pour tes vidéos toujours très bien faites.
esti que tu es courageux davoir travailler a ces frette la!!!
You are nuts! If I had you as my workmate, I would be afraid all the time..... beacuse you would never know whats going on in your head, mind or any squvare inch of your body... but happy you are back! 🤣🤪🤯👍
😅Thanks Tony....I'm not that crazy...I think..🤔🤔
super ! salutations françaises....👏😊
Hey Salut Michel! Merci pour le commentaire!
the one that i used to use at work was kinda like this but it used to have a built in slide which blocked off the vacuum to the part that isn't being used. i think the main issue that yours has is sealing and not enough suction to pull the molten plastic down
mine's got a couple of problems! 😅 Gonma fix them slowly, hope that with 1/8 I'll have better results! The other videos I watched, people was, at the max, forming 1/16"..it s hard to compare their results with my 1/4 thick test. Good idea for the slide, do you recall which thickness you were forming?
@@VinyB57 It was 1/4 inch thick but could do up to 1/16ths thick and if you want some ideas to match the machine i used i'll happily fill you in:
-it had the heater above the plastic which were on rollers and you slid them back and forward till the sheet was soft
-the vacuum bed had block offs built into it which slid in since we only used certain sizes of forming the plates were a solid acrylic
-the entire bed raised and lowered on its own basically doing the 90% of the shaping and leaving the 10% of the shaping to the vacuum, which from maintenance works by a scissor lift and is lifted and lowered by a motor and switch
hopefully this helps you on your quest for a forming machine
Nice burners, but that cools way too quickly, must be very cold in the workshop. Maybe a summer project?
Maybe! 🤷♂ But I need to do it before racing season! 😁
@@VinyB57 just bring it round to my workshop. Over 30deg C in the shade on average this time of year. Or head out west 1000kms for 40 deg C. Maybe just leave out in the sun and we can share some beers as we wait. Good old summer in Aus.
@@NathanNostaw Oh sh*t! I'm down for the beer! 👍🍻
Nice try, viny, it worthed trying with vacuum cleaner.
I tried
Hey any update on smart car ?
Working on it....kninda...molding parts...well trying to mold parts...doesn't work at all...for know!
Bonjour, comment allez vous? Je vous remercie pour Vos vidéos . Pouvez vous entrer en contact avec moi pour le realisation d'un projet.
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Why don't you build yourself a stove!!
I'm pretty much done with this technic...kinda hated it to be frank!
@@VinyB57 Man you are frosting in there!
@@simonefavilli In deed 😅