Yuchol you are absolutely a Master at video production. Loved the music when you were removing the balls from the table. I have missed watching your work. Welcome back.
You're right. It's like finding an old car that's been sitting for decades. It used to be someone's pride and joy, let's give it another chance to roar...
Yuchol, that poor old grinder just hit the lottery, it was lucky to find you. Doesn't look too bad under all that grunge. Should be a fun project...Enjoyed !!
I used to run one of these Cini #2 grinders. I was trained on them at a cutter grinding shop I used to work at. They are a very smooth running machines and the spindle(if running properly) has very little vibration you can barely hear them. There is a lot you can do with these grinders. Hopefully it came with the 2 centers for holding an endmill, shell mills, reamers and more. You will also need a "finger" to roll the flutes on in order to follow the helix of the tool. Many other tool holding fixtures for sharpening can be bolted to the table using the "T" slot. Great machine. Once cleaned up, will probably last another 70 yrs. Great buy.
I have a T&CG in similar shape cosmetically. I have been hunting for bellows for over a year with no luck. I did not come just to tell you bad news though, I found an ugly yet perfectly functional alternative. If you go to your local indoor gardening store, although more and more home Depot is carrying this stuff, you can get flexible ducting in sizes every inch up to 18 in diameter. Mine is a Milwaukee, looks to be about the same size, the 8-in ducting worked perfectly on mine. It is ugly but it does work. I would argue it is somewhat less ugly than that red vinyl
Hey my friend. I saw that while you were taking the old grease out you smelled it. From one old machinist to another, I know you know better. You really can't judge the quality until you taste it and roll some around on your tongue to gage the "grittiness" and "sweetness" to see if it has gone bad. :D Keep up the awesome work, glad to you you back in the workshop.
It has been a while, it's great to see you back Yuchol! Glad that the plague didn't get you. Happy to see you are back to making your incredibly creative videos. Have a great New Year
Its enjoyable to watch the old machines being restored and how they work. I have a Chevalier FSG-618M that i am cleaning up that has the same ball slide on the guideways like yours, but it has fittings that supply grease to the center of both ways. A plate on the side states to regrease 20cc every few months on each guideway.
It awesome to be able to take something old and make it good as new and bring it back to life. My weakness is I tend to be more focused on what I can make that I can use, instead of this joy of a project. Keep it up
I’ve been watching your rebuild, also recently acquired a Cinci #2 and looks to be in pretty good shape but as you know that’s remains to be seen as I go through it. I purchased this at an auction for the specific purpose of grinding end mills, drill bits also will be set up to do small surface grinding. It came with a Harig air bearing attachment mounted to it and 5 different wheels and a excellent professional drill sharpening attachment. I just brought it home a couple days ago. I’m ready to start! Thanks for the rebuild videos, I loved watching them and will go back to review as I move along.
I have one of those in my shop. I am vaguely familiar with it enough to have done a few cutter grind jobs. Mine is a little newer with the motor on top. Nice to see how it comes apart if I ever get really involved with it....Dave
Glad to see you back, Yuchol! Looking forward to the next installment on this. Great to see old machines like this being restored to their former glory and used. That "adapter"... scarrrrrrrrry. Not sure what makes folks use stuff like that.
Hi Yuchol. Great start, under all the muck and dirty clothes, it doesn't look too bad (so far of course). I am just about to do the same to a similar vintage shaper, it will be good to see your progress and approach, looking forward to it. Cheers, Jon
Very interesting video Yuchol. I found a similar until about 18 months ago at good price as well. Mine didn't come with quite so much extra grease and grime. I guess I didn't get as much of my moneys worth as you did. I have not found the time to dig into the machine and start playing with it. I am fascinated with the things that can be done with one of these. The number of degrees of freedom on the machine is mind boggling. I look forward to your progress. Thanks for sharing. R.J.
@@woodscreekworkshop9939 accessories appear to be the magic sauce for these machines. I saw several of them with no workheads, guards, etc. for sale. And those end up being big $$$ items if you need to find them separately. Keep up the good work and I look forward to the next one.
No matter what you do with this machine, its always fun taking them apart to see how they work. If anything you gain knowledge for creating other tools.
Yuchol, the appearance of the finish on that machine leads me to believe it's been in a fire at one time or another. I once bought a milling machine that had a similar look that was in a fire. Didn't affect the machine just the finish. Have fun, I know you will do a good job!
About a year ago a channel called Kimber zelik acquired a KO Lee cutter grinder. I know yours is is a Cincinnati but they seem to be identical in construction. His has every possible bell and whistle from the factory. I walked him through cleaning and rebuilding it but shortly before he finished he acquired a new lathe and lost all interest in the grinder. He has discussed selling it or giving it away repeatedly, I believe he is only a few hundred dollars into it. I don't know if you will need to track down parts or accessories but it would almost certainly be cheaper to simply buy that whole machine. It's really in much better shape as well as having all the extras. Perhaps you are much farther along on the Cincinnati than your videos would imply. If this advice is worthless, you might still get some benefit looking at some older videos of his. He approached the tear down as a complete lay person, there might be some valuable information for you in those videos
Even though I don't have one of these things, I'm always fascinated seeing a T&C grinder disassembled. I'm glad you were able to find one, hopefully it works out in the end as a good machine for you, they're getting hard to find it seems!
Right on. Too many times I've picked up machinery with the intention of going through a coin op car wash b4 getting home.🤣 Those exposed wires made me cringe thinking about mixing with coolant. Lol. I think you have a nice old machine. I look forward to watching your progress .
I designed for my old CNC milling machine quill an origami structure 8-sided air bellows for to protect it from grinding dust (3D printed it out of polypropylene). The concept might work for you if you can’t find something appropriate. Also, my way covers are Ikea roll up blinds with stainless tool wrap replacing the fabric (need to disable the roll locking mechanism). The beauty of SS over rubber is hot chips don’t melt and stick. Cheers-Peter
Now all the cutter grinders are going to up in price like shapers did.. :D And I'm totally with you on grabbing stuff when it comes up. As you well know, on the West Coast there is pretty much no equipment for sale outside of City of Industry in LA. Seems like you can't go 10 feet without kicking a machine out in New England - PA, MA, NY etc. I'm waiting for a surface grinder to come up. Looking forward to seeing your T&C running.
Interesting to see. I have a Macson #2 T&C. These were initially made in Australia under licence to Cincinnati during WW2, although mine was made 1967. Apart from the name it is an exact copy including the manual. Looking forward to subsequent parts of this series. Mine looked a little better on receipt but still took a fair bit of cleaning... Martin
Just remember... all of that crud on the machine was breathed in by the tool setter for 30 years! Not much has changed in air quality in many shops today.
With paper pens it's all about repetitive strikes you don't hit hard you don't heat it up you just tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap for an hour if you need to it eventually will move. You have to have patience and persistent
Hi Yuchol, great to see you back. It's been a while. I was wondering if that machine had been near a fire. The blotches in the paint almost looks like it got very hot but not hot enough to actually burn. Regards from Canada's banana belt 🍌🇨🇦🍌 although we're bloody freezing at present. -20*C this morning.☃️🇨🇦☃️
OK I stopped the video right at the point where you're turning the screws on that added metal plate why would they put a plate there for an indicator stand when a indicator would stick just perfectly to the cast iron? Indicators don't care if it's bumpy as long as it's solid there'd be no reason for them to do that
Is there a machinist pandemic on the raise? Steve Summers restored the shop building, now restores the old Chevy Ark.... Keith Rucker restores machines over and over again but his videos contains some "good old fashioned machining". Chair machinists surely like to watch other people work but as an active amateur restoring things is not very inspiring. Good luck with the machine.
Stefan, I can't speak for other creators, but I work on what I want to work on and I just share whatever that happens to be at free of charge to you. In fact, it costs me a lot of money for the equipment and time to make it available for others. I am sure some find it boring, weird, fun or do I dare say inspirational at times, but I do it for my own enjoyment above all things. You see, we all draw inspiration from different things or people at different times and you have to consider the possibility that we don't exist for your inspirational needs.
@@woodscreekworkshop9939 Yes, of course You do the work you want and when You want to publish it, You do that. I'm well aware of the work needed to edit, upload etc. and that video equipment costs money. If restoration catches viewers or not... The future will tell. I posted my reflection, my thoughts about the subject. You have posted many entertaining/inspiring videos so in general I'll keep watching Your channel.
It's always nice to see someone putting new life in old machines and giving them the love they need. Thanks for that.
Thanks man!😃
Good to see your back at it. 👍🏼
Thanks man
Yuchol you are absolutely a Master at video production. Loved the music when you were removing the balls from the table. I have missed watching your work. Welcome back.
Thank you so much Terry, glad to be back!😃
It's oddly cathartic watching an old gem being restored. I'm glad you're painting it during the restoration.
You're right. It's like finding an old car that's been sitting for decades. It used to be someone's pride and joy, let's give it another chance to roar...
Looks like a whole lot of fun and adventure right there. I'm with you in spirit.
Thanks Mark, it sure is an adventure.😀
Yuchol, that poor old grinder just hit the lottery, it was lucky to find you. Doesn't look too bad under all that grunge. Should be a fun project...Enjoyed !!
I hope I can do it justice 👍🏼
Well, you hooked me on this restoration series.😀
Best wishes from the far North.
I won't let you down Carl.🤘🏼
Glad you decided to share this video - and the longer format of about 30 min is perfect for this type subject matter.
Thank you!
Looks like with some elbow grease you can breath new life back into her great to see you back 👍👍👍love seeing old machines brought back to life 👍👍👍
It will come back to life 👍🏼
I used to run one of these Cini #2 grinders. I was trained on them at a cutter grinding shop I used to work at. They are a very smooth running machines and the spindle(if running properly) has very little vibration you can barely hear them. There is a lot you can do with these grinders. Hopefully it came with the 2 centers for holding an endmill, shell mills, reamers and more. You will also need a "finger" to roll the flutes on in order to follow the helix of the tool. Many other tool holding fixtures for sharpening can be bolted to the table using the "T" slot. Great machine. Once cleaned up, will probably last another 70 yrs. Great buy.
Excellent start to a very interesting renovation. Thank you for sharing. Andrew 👏👏👍😀
Please keep the long video format - lots of great information, super interesting and entertaining! thank you!
You got it!
Yuchol…awesome video production/discussion…enjoyed as you resolved your discoveries and looking forward to follow future videos of the refurbishment
Thanks Chuck as always🙏🏼
Very excited for the next video
Keep them coming ❤👍
Enjoyed this video very much. Looking forward to the next ones.
I have a T&CG in similar shape cosmetically. I have been hunting for bellows for over a year with no luck. I did not come just to tell you bad news though, I found an ugly yet perfectly functional alternative. If you go to your local indoor gardening store, although more and more home Depot is carrying this stuff, you can get flexible ducting in sizes every inch up to 18 in diameter. Mine is a Milwaukee, looks to be about the same size, the 8-in ducting worked perfectly on mine. It is ugly but it does work. I would argue it is somewhat less ugly than that red vinyl
That's a fantastic idea, thank you!
Great to have a new video from you, Yuchol !
Thanks Mike🙏🏼
Great to have you back on TH-cam!
Hey, thanks!
Happy to see you back! Great project, I’ll be following. All the best!
Thanks Kris👍🏼
Hey my friend. I saw that while you were taking the old grease out you smelled it. From one old machinist to another, I know you know better. You really can't judge the quality until you taste it and roll some around on your tongue to gage the "grittiness" and "sweetness" to see if it has gone bad. :D Keep up the awesome work, glad to you you back in the workshop.
Oh Kenneth, I only show what I want you to see😁
Gold !
It has been a while, it's great to see you back Yuchol! Glad that the plague didn't get you. Happy to see you are back to making your incredibly creative videos. Have a great New Year
Thank you so much, been crazy hectic, but it's good to make videos again.🕺🏼
Its enjoyable to watch the old machines being restored and how they work. I have a Chevalier FSG-618M that i am cleaning up that has the same ball slide on the guideways like yours, but it has fittings that supply grease to the center of both ways. A plate on the side states to regrease 20cc every few months on each guideway.
Hi Paul. The ball ways on my B&S surface grinder are also oiled.
More power to you...
Thank you for the video for those of us who won’t get those opportunities ...
Long may you run
🙏🏻
Another great video from Yuchol!
It awesome to be able to take something old and make it good as new and bring it back to life. My weakness is I tend to be more focused on what I can make that I can use, instead of this joy of a project. Keep it up
I understand. Thanks Jim
Yuchol, you have your work cut out for you man! Good luck to you.
Thanks Nick, I won’t give up
I’ve been watching your rebuild, also recently acquired a Cinci #2 and looks to be in pretty good shape but as you know that’s remains to be seen as I go through it. I purchased this at an auction for the specific purpose of grinding end mills, drill bits also will be set up to do small surface grinding. It came with a Harig air bearing attachment mounted to it and 5 different wheels and a excellent professional drill sharpening attachment. I just brought it home a couple days ago. I’m ready to start! Thanks for the rebuild videos, I loved watching them and will go back to review as I move along.
I’m missing the taper adjustment handle, is there a good place for parts for these?
I had one of these donkeys years ago, wish I still had it. Very interesting to see your video, thank you
That’s a long time ago
I have one of those in my shop. I am vaguely familiar with it enough to have done a few cutter grind jobs. Mine is a little newer with the motor on top. Nice to see how it comes apart if I ever get really involved with it....Dave
Nice machine you got there David
Glad to see you back, Yuchol! Looking forward to the next installment on this. Great to see old machines like this being restored to their former glory and used.
That "adapter"... scarrrrrrrrry. Not sure what makes folks use stuff like that.
I know 😭
Cool new project! Looking forward to seeing what you do with it.
Thanks!
Looking forward to the next part.
You were very much missed,Yuchol! Welcome back. Looking forward to the next update.
Thank you 🙏🏻
Hi Yuchol. Great start, under all the muck and dirty clothes, it doesn't look too bad (so far of course). I am just about to do the same to a similar vintage shaper, it will be good to see your progress and approach, looking forward to it. Cheers, Jon
I am hopeful Jon, project keeps on moving!
Wow. What a project. Nice work
Good one Yuchol . Hopefully there are no bad surprises . Cheers .
Hope for the best, plan for the worst😁
Cool project, looking forward to the next update
Thank you!
Great to see you again-really enjoy your videos👍
Thank you. 🙏🏻
Very interesting video Yuchol. I found a similar until about 18 months ago at good price as well. Mine didn't come with quite so much extra grease and grime. I guess I didn't get as much of my moneys worth as you did. I have not found the time to dig into the machine and start playing with it. I am fascinated with the things that can be done with one of these. The number of degrees of freedom on the machine is mind boggling. I look forward to your progress. Thanks for sharing. R.J.
Thanks RJ. I did get enough accessories with the machine to make up for any unexpected detours. Of course they all need some love...
@@woodscreekworkshop9939 accessories appear to be the magic sauce for these machines. I saw several of them with no workheads, guards, etc. for sale. And those end up being big $$$ items if you need to find them separately. Keep up the good work and I look forward to the next one.
No matter what you do with this machine, its always fun taking them apart to see how they work. If anything you gain knowledge for creating other tools.
Very true Brandon
That is going to be a great machine! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for the motivation Phil😃
I always enjoy your videos. I partially refurbished my surface grinder but still need to measure its tolerances and address and issues.
Thank you🙏🏻
Yuchol, the appearance of the finish on that machine leads me to believe it's been in a fire at one time or another. I once bought a milling machine that had a similar look that was in a fire. Didn't affect the machine just the finish. Have fun, I know you will do a good job!
Very possible! If it doesn’t work out, I will set it on fire again and share the video 😀
I really enjoyed that video, new subscriber hope your older videos are even half as good, thanks
Thanks and welcome
Looking forward to the next video!
You and me both Joel!😃
Commenting to increase engagement, you should have 10x the subscribers you do.
Very nice of you, thanks!
He's baaack! Love it, love it.
Thanks Robert 🙏🏻
About a year ago a channel called Kimber zelik acquired a KO Lee cutter grinder. I know yours is is a Cincinnati but they seem to be identical in construction. His has every possible bell and whistle from the factory. I walked him through cleaning and rebuilding it but shortly before he finished he acquired a new lathe and lost all interest in the grinder. He has discussed selling it or giving it away repeatedly, I believe he is only a few hundred dollars into it. I don't know if you will need to track down parts or accessories but it would almost certainly be cheaper to simply buy that whole machine. It's really in much better shape as well as having all the extras. Perhaps you are much farther along on the Cincinnati than your videos would imply. If this advice is worthless, you might still get some benefit looking at some older videos of his. He approached the tear down as a complete lay person, there might be some valuable information for you in those videos
Even though I don't have one of these things, I'm always fascinated seeing a T&C grinder disassembled. I'm glad you were able to find one, hopefully it works out in the end as a good machine for you, they're getting hard to find it seems!
Thanks Everett
Thanks! Can't wait for the next installment!
I like your approach.
Nice! Gotta love drain plug that won't come out 🙂
You got that right!
Good find👍🏻
It sure was
I sure do miss my favorite machining channel. 😢.
Right on. Too many times I've picked up machinery with the intention of going through a coin op car wash b4 getting home.🤣 Those exposed wires made me cringe thinking about mixing with coolant. Lol. I think you have a nice old machine. I look forward to watching your progress .
Exactly!
Hey, great to see you back in action. I'm looking forward to seeing the discoveries you'll make.
Thank you 🙏🏼
I was just thinking, I haven’t seen a Woods Creek video in a while, have I been unsubscribed then two seconds later.
I had to wait for something you would like John.😃
It looks like fun.
I designed for my old CNC milling machine quill an origami structure 8-sided air bellows for to protect it from grinding dust (3D printed it out of polypropylene). The concept might work for you if you can’t find something appropriate. Also, my way covers are Ikea roll up blinds with stainless tool wrap replacing the fabric (need to disable the roll locking mechanism). The beauty of SS over rubber is hot chips don’t melt and stick.
Cheers-Peter
You beat me to the #2 joke by going straight to it. GG, Yuchol.
I had to 😁
Going to look foreward to you doing this up Yuchol.
Thanks Mark
Now all the cutter grinders are going to up in price like shapers did.. :D
And I'm totally with you on grabbing stuff when it comes up. As you well know, on the West Coast there is pretty much no equipment for sale outside of City of Industry in LA. Seems like you can't go 10 feet without kicking a machine out in New England - PA, MA, NY etc. I'm waiting for a surface grinder to come up.
Looking forward to seeing your T&C running.
Thanks and I hope you find what you're looking for
Looks like you need a 55 gallon drum of Evapo-Rust, and another of Circa 1850 Heavy Body Paint & Varnish Remover...
I will TRY to not go too crazy with the body work on this😬
Red River Valley? Henry Fonda sings a few lines in the Grapes of Wrath,one of my favorite movies.
Interesting to see. I have a Macson #2 T&C. These were initially made in Australia under licence to Cincinnati during WW2, although mine was made 1967. Apart from the name it is an exact copy including the manual. Looking forward to subsequent parts of this series. Mine looked a little better on receipt but still took a fair bit of cleaning... Martin
Thanks for visiting Martin 👍🏼
I’m sure you will put new bearings in. Your wife if like mine knows it will help with your sanity. Good luck.
Very true
Just remember... all of that crud on the machine was breathed in by the tool setter for 30 years! Not much has changed in air quality in many shops today.
Very true. I’ll be sure to use extraction and filters. 👍🏼
Hey Yuchol. I've had good results using Citrus Strip for removing paint from these old machines. I buy it at Walmart. Give it a try
Yes, I use it too, but don’t want to go bare metal on this one, at least not yet 😁
I would have bought it too theres a cool machine under there somewhere
Somewhere, I just need to find it😃
Hey Yuchol is back in the shop. I did not spy your horizontal mill in there. Is it on the other side?
Hi Tom, the K&T is sitting just outside of the machine room in the main shop. Taking up a lot of space I don't have...🥲
With paper pens it's all about repetitive strikes you don't hit hard you don't heat it up you just tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap for an hour if you need to it eventually will move. You have to have patience and persistent
Hi Yuchol, great to see you back. It's been a while.
I was wondering if that machine had been near a fire. The blotches in the paint almost looks like it got very hot but not hot enough to actually burn.
Regards from Canada's banana belt 🍌🇨🇦🍌 although we're bloody freezing at present. -20*C this morning.☃️🇨🇦☃️
No signs of fire, stay war, my friend.
Under the Master Start and Sop buttons please add Aprentice Start and Stop buttons. Please?
We could and make sure they don't do anything😆
Saludos cordiales desde Chile 🇨🇱
I go with the assumption that all spinny things in the shop are trying to kill me all the time, "en garde!"
I guess it's like ying and yang...
You are one funny dude!!
That is a mess. Lots of cleaning.
It is a mess. Come up, I'll put you to work😆
Someone put a little bit too much Nutella in that gearbox
Nutella smells better😆
And I thought I had crazy big projects....not as big as this:)
Being crazy keeps us going 💪🏼
looke a lot like my K. O. LEE TOOL CUTTER GRINDER
KO Lee's are fantastic machines👍🏼
From were you purchased it
Thx for the vid.
22.33, but how does it taste? LOL
Oh boy, I was not brave enough to try that delicacy🥲
Got grease ? 👍..
Yes 👍
I know logan
Hi Jamie, thanks for visiting. Have fun at school.👍🏼
OK I stopped the video right at the point where you're turning the screws on that added metal plate why would they put a plate there for an indicator stand when a indicator would stick just perfectly to the cast iron? Indicators don't care if it's bumpy as long as it's solid there'd be no reason for them to do that
Is there a machinist pandemic on the raise? Steve Summers restored the shop building, now restores the old Chevy Ark.... Keith Rucker restores machines over and over again but his videos contains some "good old fashioned machining". Chair machinists surely like to watch other people work but as an active amateur restoring things is not very inspiring.
Good luck with the machine.
Stefan, I can't speak for other creators, but I work on what I want to work on and I just share whatever that happens to be at free of charge to you. In fact, it costs me a lot of money for the equipment and time to make it available for others. I am sure some find it boring, weird, fun or do I dare say inspirational at times, but I do it for my own enjoyment above all things. You see, we all draw inspiration from different things or people at different times and you have to consider the possibility that we don't exist for your inspirational needs.
@@woodscreekworkshop9939 Yes, of course You do the work you want and when You want to publish it, You do that. I'm well aware of the work needed to edit, upload etc. and that video equipment costs money.
If restoration catches viewers or not... The future will tell.
I posted my reflection, my thoughts about the subject.
You have posted many entertaining/inspiring videos so in general I'll keep watching Your channel.