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I think many of the megalithic structures dating from 26,000 years ago were carnivore. When you can take down a mammoth that has about a thousand pounds of meat. You can do a lot with the rest of your time. There was no "gathering" going on. There were no baby gates for a cave. We were hunter baby caretakers.
This is such a good episode. Rudyard is a philosopher/historian/political-theorist, but he's open-minded enough to include science. The real science. I see Nick adding in the scientific focus while also accepting the philosophical perspective. These are the kind of intellectual exchanges that I really enjoy.
The latter half of this podcast is sooo thought provoking. The interviewer really asked the question and talked about themes that made Rudyard shine. Other than the revolution based questions that he gets in all other podcasts.
55:22 Regarding the conflict between the Papacy and the European monarchies, from what I have read the main conflict was authority and money. The Papacy held a great deal of sway with the common people for spiritual as well as temporal guidance following the Fall of Rome, and provided a unifying force. Also, the Church acquired a great deal of valuable land throughout Europe and the ability to collect money directly from the commoners. At first European monarchs utilized the Church to gain legitimacy as rulers (and in many cases also out of a genuine sense of piety), notably Charlemagne. However, as time went on the monarchs began to covet the immense temporal power the Church had gained and the Church's wealth even more so. Often, the Papacy and a monarch would come to have opposing views on some issue of statecraft, and the Papacy would try to exert its spiritual power to enforce its temporal agenda. For instance, some popes would threaten/carry out excommunication towards the monarch (as a Catholic this was a horrible misstep both in theological terms and as a practical matter), or threaten/attempt to incite the lower classes to overthrow the monarch. However, it should be noted that this sort of conflict was not seen throughout Europe but rather certain monarchies at certain periods of time.
I have felt and just observed that what we eat and our environments change cultures and just how our bodies function. I have lived in lots of places and have eaten many diets. It’s always affects my internal ecosystem of thought/feeling.
I think that the mouse utopia is a good indication of house urbanization leads to a sense of unrealness that humans cannot fathom for long periods of time and is not really built for. I feel that if the mouse utopia had a hole that opened a few months in, by the time the population halves back to 1000, 90+% of the mice would funnel out like mad and take their chances with the wild than return to the crazy box.
Nice to see someone reign Rudyard in a little..too often he runs rampant over interviewers, or they seem too awed by his perceived knowledge to properly challenge, but I think this interviewer did a great job. Eg when Rudyard is claiming he invented an idea. Never seen this podcast before, subbed now.
Where did Rudyard even come from? This guy definitely reined him in a bit but he’s got the internet convinced he’s some kind of authority. I noticed in this one when his legs get out in front of him a bit he even corrects his own bs…especially on things listeners can easily fact check. He’s an interesting guy but he’s clearly making a lot of this up.
I came to the same independent conclusion about the fall being symbolic of conscious self reflection too!!! I’ve beat my head against the wall trying to make sense of so many things, and lately I’ve been coming across the fact that a lot of my best guesses were independently discovered by a lot of great minds. If I had only been afforded the opportunity to study these things when I was younger, I could’ve saved myself so much time🥴
Let’s start with measuring sugar consumption with neurotic behavior leading to civil degradation. When asked how Eric Clapton became addicted to drugs, he said it started with sugar
@@PassionateSpirit88 I believe we got into that in this episode a bit, with lots of other good stuff on the history of human diet: mindandmatter.substack.com/p/early-access-diet-hunting-culture?
Regarding 24:00 I believe the meat eating diet is correlated with higher testosterone levels which would explain increased muscle mass and height of mongols and other cultures. Protein intake in youth is very important for height. Also the effects of eating soy based products are directly estrogenic and so decrease testosterone levels (very important for muscle mass, also aggression).
46:30 When the Aryans installed Vedic culture into the Indian subcontinent, they mingled with the local population for 2-300 years then decided that was a major mistake, and they developed the caste system, and genetic convergence has essentially stopped ever since. In the early Vedic period, the aryans would were allowed to have cattle and eat meat, but they forbade the local population from having grazing or land management rights. In the development of the caste system, generations later, this somehow got confused and not only were the Dravidians who became the lower castes not allowed to eat meat, but this was now adopted by the aryan brahmins and the kshatrias. I would really like to know how that happened.
Man, it’s so depressing whenever I hear Rudyard talk about the cycles and stuff. If you’ll excuse me, I’m gonna go read an apocalyptic novel to cheer up…
Question: Did Mouse Utopia’s experiment take place under lights? Disturbing the circadian rhythm can cause a cascade of effects. Indoor living is a stuffy adventure with poor air quality. Starving the brain of oxygen fast or slow can have retarding effects.
@45 minutes- you might be off on the diet of gladiators/soldiers. I used to be a competitive swimmer. My (and many modern athletes’) diet were/are the same…plant-based protein, carb loading, indirect animal proteins (whey). High level athletes have a very short “career”. Roman soldiers and gladiators would also have a very short “career”. There is a big, short-term performance advantage to this diet, but it’s not a good diet to maintain over a long life. If we continue the current paradigm, we will naturally become weaker, sicker, and die sooner
He goes from saying men are more agreeable and then within 3-5 minutes says it’s women that are more agreeable?? Dude is a walking contradiction. Also the arrogance behind claiming he invented an idea and being shocked that other people could come up with the same ideas of their own thinking smfh 🥴
@@00TheD but we’re not talking about multiple peoples ideas. We’re talking about just his. And his ideas contradict eachother even tho he seems to be stating them all as fact 🤔
It's important to remember, as smart as Rudy is, he's just a kid. 23 or 24. A lot of the terrifying symptoms he's ascribing to signs of violent revolution, could be ascribed to beurocratic lag. As crippled as his generation has been, people adapt. We're not mice. That being said, violent turmoil is always possible. Don't throw out the rings of your cans
Unfortunately...no we are mice. You want us to have different drives, desires, experiences, but where do your thoughts come from ? From what source to pour fourth from? They source from a much older part of our brains.these would be primary drivers that all reptiles and mammals have. And they are all hackable by environment. And the changes are predictable.
There's no reason to think theres such thing as cross-organism control. You can explain bug colonies without invoking that. The way they act could be explained by programmed reactions to stimulus to invoke secretion of pheromones, or by reaction to the secretion of those same pheromones, or lucky mutations resulting in reactions to the pheromones of other insects. I didnt study bees as hard as i did ants but, ants could all be pre-programmed without hivemind communication
Ahh the old understand something by removing it from its inherit context...works not well at all. Leads to obviously wrong conclusions which were seeing the fruits of now.
I could see a new religion harkening back to a group that integrates psychedelics, psychology, community and technology. Without prophetic savior but that we as individual nodes in the collective are important to each other. It needs to integrate everything of this current time and be broad enough to include our future advancements for next 500 years.
Meat is not making people more violent. in highly organized, violent cultures, people eat more meat because they have heavy amounts of steppe pastoralist dna, and theyre adapted for an overwhelmingly dairy and meat based diet, metabolically (intracellularly) and in their inherited microbiome. Tending to large herds that have to be moved around due to environmental conditions like are overgrazing or drought, leads directly to territorial disputes. But pastoralism also comes with a host of benefits -- increased bone density, height, intelligence, even if it also leads to more organized warlike violence. Only pastoralists who were extremely adept in organized conflict made it into the pulsewaves into europe. The violence got institutionalized, theres evidence in some yamnaya-related groups that men werent even allowed to have a wife until they killed three people and established their own cattle herd. This also drove the expansion of their genetics and language.... the oldest words with the most cognates in all the indo european languages are words like milk... evidence that these languages only won over time insofar as the technology of animal domestication was passed down from one generation to the next. theres no chemical cascade from the blood of the meat or something. We observe an emergent phenomena that is much more complex and emerges from large roving groups of people who were organized around a culture of animal husbandry
Talking about German to English translators making books that are very hard to read by the general public, that makes me think of Karl Barth, a celebrated German Christian theologian from around 1960 when he was at peak popularity, and on the cover of Time magazine, etc. For some reason, he intrigued me, if only for why was he so popular? After reading or trying to read a half a dozen different books of his, including me trying to use Google Translates to translate his writing one sentence at a time, I realized that now he's just a bad writer with no good ideas. The worst I remember was Karl Barth having a sermon, it was entirely about Jesus and the apostles walking by a beggar on the road, but the entire sermon was about the beggar on the road shouting for Jesus! As if we all are like that pathetic beggar, true, but a whole sermon on that single idea? Analyzing the Scripture word for word but never getting past the beggar on the side of the road? There is about 1% useful theology in this sermon, an incredible waste of our attention spans. And I found most of his works were similar to this. The Bible says you have to have the Holy Spirit to be able to understand reading the Bible. I believe this is true. Karl Barth makes me think of a non-Christian who reads the Bible, finds it confusing and undecipherable, but then he decides to become a Bible commentary writer or even a preacher, and his understanding is not the Christian gospel messages, rather his understanding is to be dense and confusing and undecipherable and that's how you best preach and teach Bible teachings, as if the Bible itself is indecipherable. Perhaps Karl Barth was very sincere? I think he was most famous for having written a multi-volume set of his Systematic Theology, but if he was a saved Christian, who had the Holy Spirit to help him understand the Bible teachings, it did not survive into his writings.
Old Rudyard is really making the rounds. He speaks with such authority but if you listen to him a few times it becomes clear the only authority backing up what he says is his special brain. Interesting to listen to but don’t be fooled-this guy is a little off and definitely lives with his parents.
You're clearly not listening carefully. He continuously brings up sources for his ideas, but also comes to his own conclusions based on those ideas and sources. To pretend no one is capable of having original conclusions, that everything must be predigested and regurgitated from an authority, is the death of thought.
He has built a small business and employs others earning well above the average. Rudyard has also lived on his own outside the US for quite some time in the past. Lastly, he is fairly well travelled for a young man.
If mouse utopia would have opened a few windows and had natural light the result would have been different. Just imagine how many mouse breaths were being rebreathed in this inclosure. Too many yahoos playing with the lights. 🥸
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Meat is required in the human diet to reach optimal physical and mental development.
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I think many of the megalithic structures dating from 26,000 years ago were carnivore. When you can take down a mammoth that has about a thousand pounds of meat. You can do a lot with the rest of your time. There was no "gathering" going on. There were no baby gates for a cave. We were hunter baby caretakers.
Happy to host you on the podcast anytime, @KenDBerryMD
Damn, maybe that's why I'm retarded
my favorite meat doctor 🥩👍
This is such a good episode. Rudyard is a philosopher/historian/political-theorist, but he's open-minded enough to include science. The real science. I see Nick adding in the scientific focus while also accepting the philosophical perspective. These are the kind of intellectual exchanges that I really enjoy.
The latter half of this podcast is sooo thought provoking. The interviewer really asked the question and talked about themes that made Rudyard shine. Other than the revolution based questions that he gets in all other podcasts.
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Supperrrr underrated podcast dude. Rudyard really shines in this one.
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Alcohol consumption is different in different races as far as metabolism also.
55:22 Regarding the conflict between the Papacy and the European monarchies, from what I have read the main conflict was authority and money. The Papacy held a great deal of sway with the common people for spiritual as well as temporal guidance following the Fall of Rome, and provided a unifying force. Also, the Church acquired a great deal of valuable land throughout Europe and the ability to collect money directly from the commoners. At first European monarchs utilized the Church to gain legitimacy as rulers (and in many cases also out of a genuine sense of piety), notably Charlemagne. However, as time went on the monarchs began to covet the immense temporal power the Church had gained and the Church's wealth even more so. Often, the Papacy and a monarch would come to have opposing views on some issue of statecraft, and the Papacy would try to exert its spiritual power to enforce its temporal agenda. For instance, some popes would threaten/carry out excommunication towards the monarch (as a Catholic this was a horrible misstep both in theological terms and as a practical matter), or threaten/attempt to incite the lower classes to overthrow the monarch. However, it should be noted that this sort of conflict was not seen throughout Europe but rather certain monarchies at certain periods of time.
I have felt and just observed that what we eat and our environments change cultures and just how our bodies function. I have lived in lots of places and have eaten many diets. It’s always affects my internal ecosystem of thought/feeling.
I think that the mouse utopia is a good indication of house urbanization leads to a sense of unrealness that humans cannot fathom for long periods of time and is not really built for. I feel that if the mouse utopia had a hole that opened a few months in, by the time the population halves back to 1000, 90+% of the mice would funnel out like mad and take their chances with the wild than return to the crazy box.
This was such a great interview; these videos deserve much more appreciation than they're getting.
Could listen to Rudyard all day! Very interesting guy!
Nice to see someone reign Rudyard in a little..too often he runs rampant over interviewers, or they seem too awed by his perceived knowledge to properly challenge, but I think this interviewer did a great job. Eg when Rudyard is claiming he invented an idea.
Never seen this podcast before, subbed now.
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Where did Rudyard even come from? This guy definitely reined him in a bit but he’s got the internet convinced he’s some kind of authority. I noticed in this one when his legs get out in front of him a bit he even corrects his own bs…especially on things listeners can easily fact check. He’s an interesting guy but he’s clearly making a lot of this up.
Thanks for the podcast
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I came to the same independent conclusion about the fall being symbolic of conscious self reflection too!!! I’ve beat my head against the wall trying to make sense of so many things, and lately I’ve been coming across the fact that a lot of my best guesses were independently discovered by a lot of great minds. If I had only been afforded the opportunity to study these things when I was younger, I could’ve saved myself so much time🥴
This was the best video I have ever seen. YOU have great questions, I would recommend to be more aggressive in your thoughts
Very good interview and way to keep him off political labels!!
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Let’s start with measuring sugar consumption with neurotic behavior leading to civil degradation. When asked how Eric Clapton became addicted to drugs, he said it started with sugar
It's always something's,or someone else's fault with addicts. I wouldn't take those claims seriously.
@tiosav you're right, dopeheads should pull themselves up by their tourniquet straps and stop being addicted losers
You can get addicted to anything. Including sex. Natural stuff, just like sugar.
Good talk.
Hey, thanks for this video. Where can i find what you said about the Romans purposefully feeding Gladiators grain to protect their skin?
@@PassionateSpirit88 I believe we got into that in this episode a bit, with lots of other good stuff on the history of human diet: mindandmatter.substack.com/p/early-access-diet-hunting-culture?
The primary sources here are actually old Roman texts I believe: www.thoughtco.com/did-roman-soldiers-eat-meat-120634
Collecting spring water ....the water is such a problem.
around 53:00 reminds me of the posts from people who say they cry when they go out into nature
20:00 very easy correlation with predators vs prey - carnivores vs vegans
Regarding 24:00 I believe the meat eating diet is correlated with higher testosterone levels which would explain increased muscle mass and height of mongols and other cultures. Protein intake in youth is very important for height. Also the effects of eating soy based products are directly estrogenic and so decrease testosterone levels (very important for muscle mass, also aggression).
Only motivation that remains for humanity is to breed for organic creativity.
46:30 When the Aryans installed Vedic culture into the Indian subcontinent, they mingled with the local population for 2-300 years then decided that was a major mistake, and they developed the caste system, and genetic convergence has essentially stopped ever since.
In the early Vedic period, the aryans would were allowed to have cattle and eat meat, but they forbade the local population from having grazing or land management rights. In the development of the caste system, generations later, this somehow got confused and not only were the Dravidians who became the lower castes not allowed to eat meat, but this was now adopted by the aryan brahmins and the kshatrias. I would really like to know how that happened.
Man, it’s so depressing whenever I hear Rudyard talk about the cycles and stuff. If you’ll excuse me, I’m gonna go read an apocalyptic novel to cheer up…
Question: Did Mouse Utopia’s experiment take place under lights? Disturbing the circadian rhythm can cause a cascade of effects.
Indoor living is a stuffy adventure with poor air quality. Starving the brain of oxygen fast or slow can have retarding effects.
"The blank slate is dead" is something ive never had to ponder on, just that sentence throws me.
What should i read?
Damm, this ain’t your grandpa’s “Edible History of Humanity” we were taught in grade school
@45 minutes- you might be off on the diet of gladiators/soldiers. I used to be a competitive swimmer. My (and many modern athletes’) diet were/are the same…plant-based protein, carb loading, indirect animal proteins (whey). High level athletes have a very short “career”. Roman soldiers and gladiators would also have a very short “career”. There is a big, short-term performance advantage to this diet, but it’s not a good diet to maintain over a long life. If we continue the current paradigm, we will naturally become weaker, sicker, and die sooner
It seems the issue isn’t so much over population as much as over concentration.
He goes from saying men are more agreeable and then within 3-5 minutes says it’s women that are more agreeable?? Dude is a walking contradiction. Also the arrogance behind claiming he invented an idea and being shocked that other people could come up with the same ideas of their own thinking smfh 🥴
Life is interestingly enough filled with contradictions many of them sourced from men and women. Its almost like its inherit to being a human eh?
@@00TheD but we’re not talking about multiple peoples ideas. We’re talking about just his. And his ideas contradict eachother even tho he seems to be stating them all as fact 🤔
How exactly can a drought worsen things? (a famine can spark desease for example)
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It's important to remember, as smart as Rudy is, he's just a kid. 23 or 24.
A lot of the terrifying symptoms he's ascribing to signs of violent revolution, could be ascribed to beurocratic lag.
As crippled as his generation has been, people adapt. We're not mice.
That being said, violent turmoil is always possible. Don't throw out the rings of your cans
Unfortunately...no we are mice. You want us to have different drives, desires, experiences, but where do your thoughts come from ? From what source to pour fourth from? They source from a much older part of our brains.these would be primary drivers that all reptiles and mammals have. And they are all hackable by environment. And the changes are predictable.
He should do one with j griff
12:24 No hydrogen bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Life seems like high school to Americans. This isn't the same in other civilizations I have live in.
There's no reason to think theres such thing as cross-organism control. You can explain bug colonies without invoking that.
The way they act could be explained by programmed reactions to stimulus to invoke secretion of pheromones, or by reaction to the secretion of those same pheromones, or lucky mutations resulting in reactions to the pheromones of other insects.
I didnt study bees as hard as i did ants but, ants could all be pre-programmed without hivemind communication
Ahh the old understand something by removing it from its inherit context...works not well at all. Leads to obviously wrong conclusions which were seeing the fruits of now.
Rome got larger than it could effectively communicate and broke apart in this way.
I could see a new religion harkening back to a group that integrates psychedelics, psychology, community and technology. Without prophetic savior but that we as individual nodes in the collective are important to each other. It needs to integrate everything of this current time and be broad enough to include our future advancements for next 500 years.
You may be interested in the very first podcast episode I ever did: mindandmatter.substack.com/p/brian-muraresku-psychedelics-civilization-ea6?
Meat is not making people more violent. in highly organized, violent cultures, people eat more meat because they have heavy amounts of steppe pastoralist dna, and theyre adapted for an overwhelmingly dairy and meat based diet, metabolically (intracellularly) and in their inherited microbiome.
Tending to large herds that have to be moved around due to environmental conditions like are overgrazing or drought, leads directly to territorial disputes. But pastoralism also comes with a host of benefits -- increased bone density, height, intelligence, even if it also leads to more organized warlike violence. Only pastoralists who were extremely adept in organized conflict made it into the pulsewaves into europe. The violence got institutionalized, theres evidence in some yamnaya-related groups that men werent even allowed to have a wife until they killed three people and established their own cattle herd. This also drove the expansion of their genetics and language.... the oldest words with the most cognates in all the indo european languages are words like milk... evidence that these languages only won over time insofar as the technology of animal domestication was passed down from one generation to the next.
theres no chemical cascade from the blood of the meat or something. We observe an emergent phenomena that is much more complex and emerges from large roving groups of people who were organized around a culture of animal husbandry
I love Rudyard so much no homo
Yes hono
Belief in God in America stands at 74%, not 90.
Talking about German to English translators making books that are very hard to read by the general public, that makes me think of Karl Barth, a celebrated German Christian theologian from around 1960 when he was at peak popularity, and on the cover of Time magazine, etc.
For some reason, he intrigued me, if only for why was he so popular?
After reading or trying to read a half a dozen different books of his, including me trying to use Google Translates to translate his writing one sentence at a time, I realized that now he's just a bad writer with no good ideas.
The worst I remember was Karl Barth having a sermon, it was entirely about Jesus and the apostles walking by a beggar on the road, but the entire sermon was about the beggar on the road shouting for Jesus! As if we all are like that pathetic beggar, true, but a whole sermon on that single idea? Analyzing the Scripture word for word but never getting past the beggar on the side of the road? There is about 1% useful theology in this sermon, an incredible waste of our attention spans. And I found most of his works were similar to this.
The Bible says you have to have the Holy Spirit to be able to understand reading the Bible. I believe this is true.
Karl Barth makes me think of a non-Christian who reads the Bible, finds it confusing and undecipherable, but then he decides to become a Bible commentary writer or even a preacher, and his understanding is not the Christian gospel messages, rather his understanding is to be dense and confusing and undecipherable and that's how you best preach and teach Bible teachings, as if the Bible itself is indecipherable.
Perhaps Karl Barth was very sincere? I think he was most famous for having written a multi-volume set of his Systematic Theology, but if he was a saved Christian, who had the Holy Spirit to help him understand the Bible teachings, it did not survive into his writings.
Old Rudyard is really making the rounds. He speaks with such authority but if you listen to him a few times it becomes clear the only authority backing up what he says is his special brain. Interesting to listen to but don’t be fooled-this guy is a little off and definitely lives with his parents.
You're clearly not listening carefully. He continuously brings up sources for his ideas, but also comes to his own conclusions based on those ideas and sources. To pretend no one is capable of having original conclusions, that everything must be predigested and regurgitated from an authority, is the death of thought.
Multigenerational living is the past and the future
He has built a small business and employs others earning well above the average. Rudyard has also lived on his own outside the US for quite some time in the past. Lastly, he is fairly well travelled for a young man.
He really gives incel vibes imo
Ahh might makes right eh? Your perspective is only valid if a group of "verified" minds agree?
If mouse utopia would have opened a few windows and had natural light the result would have been different. Just imagine how many mouse breaths were being rebreathed in this inclosure. Too many yahoos playing with the lights. 🥸